I got 2006 black max, Mallosi clutch ,vibrator, 12gr, KN air filter, arrow full system, Dino jet, need 4 hands to hold the bike when accelerating & to 80-100kmh im pretty much jet rocket! Pure fun!
This is currently the best setup for reliability for this motor,500cc's tend to blow up if pushed any harder than stock hp so dont even think about big bores,530cc next model engine is stronger and can take a lot of beating even get turbocharged and be reliable,this info is all from testing through the years being a mechanic and tuner
I love how cost effective these are. My fuel injected 169cc with mods and registration cost under $900 so far and it's the most fuel efficient vehicle I've ever owned. One of the most fun as well! so far it goes 70 with just me on it
@@49ccscoot it’s just a 2015 kymco like 200i with 12k miles on it. I bought it for $400 with a blown motor so I put a taida 61mm cylinder in it and I just started tuning the transmission rollers. Next mod on the way is a contra spring!
Tmax is the GOAT! The 500s and 530s are cool and attainable, the 560 from what scooterswapshop has showed and done is a complete monster for such a big scoot
Brilliant Man, you are a STAR - I'm just a rider with little mechanical abilities but love tech! So, got the Honda NC700D Integra instead, because it is more of a utility machine! Have just done a 6 day 2000 mile trip and it really shined, there were 10 other bikes from 390 to 1200 cc, not one of them could out gun me to 40mph so the concensus was from the other riders, respect!! Also, one day was 4 hours at 75 mph and still the little beast did not dip below 60mpg! Still want a TMAX though because it is lighter, lower, easier to mount and cool - but Mr Honda still wins because the 700 is a frame you can hang all sorts of luggage on, unlike the TMAX!
What a great video, very informative, bought a 530 in 2017 after one to many spills meant left knee very painfull on bikes so needed the extra leg room of a scooter, liked it so much i'm now on my second with a 560, after much deliberation on a little more acceleration opted for a chain and sprocket to get more power at the back wheel, was going to suggest this as a potential mod but then realised the 500 is already chain drive lol, great to see someone pushing the TMAX rather than sticking a big screen on the front and a top box they are great machines.
I wish we could get the later models here. It's kind of sad that the US doesn't get big sporty scoots. The touring/commuting crowd is basically the big scoot market here. No, the TMAX is not a sport bike... but it's got a lot going for it if people could forget that their friends will chuckle when they say they have a scooter.
Thank you. I got xmax 300 and just put akropovic exhaust. The noise difference is shocking fun but loud. Going down the Rd of tunning now think I def change the veryator cheers
I had a filter, full exhaust system, j costa race variator and a power commander 3, dyno time and got 47bhp, but was lumpy in the revs so dropped it back to 43bhp at the rear wheel, was getting under 6 second 0 to 60 times, was fantastic.
❤I really enjoy your many videos. I am from Manitoba Canada and am sure mine is the only TMAX within hundreds of miles. I enjoy this scoot. I ride mine about 6000 miles a year in our short summers. Mine is an 09 model with the new red n white plastic panels. it has a molossi variation but no idea onwhich weights. It works great and I love the ease of operation plus comfort and weather protection and storage. I plan to ride on longer tours like to the black hills in South Dakota and more. i'm still on ly at 15000 miles. Would love to meet you in person some time. Keep up the great mods and video production.
Wow you came along way from doin 30mph on that black tao tao like mine lol.after seeing your 0-30mph test runs on the tao seeing you hitting 80 on this newest scoot was pretty badass.love your videos bro your the best when it comes to you tube scoot vids..by far! thx for doing what you do.
Excellent video. Here in the EU a variator and a loud pipe is very common if u have a T-Max. One thing I did not see is the racing SPRING for the rear plates, it is a must and usually comes in the Variator kit set. And as for the air fuel mixture, u have a hidden DIAG service menu on all Yamahas, for diagnostics and to tweak the CO settings by yourself. Cheers
Excallent video. Every Tmax video you upload was very helpfull and well made. Keep up the good work I hope you enjoy your rides even more now. Also if you like to skyrocket your 0-60 try the polini 241.696 it's really a beast but hard for daily use. That's all i had to say as a fellow Tmax rider.
Well done you should consider a Malossi Torque Drive, with that you should be able to launch really good and you can set it up as you like. Also it keeps the rpm's steady
Another excellent video Brent. Was waiting for this one to come out, and see the results of the fuel controller. Like you, i found stock Tmax 500 acceleration underwhelming ( especially so, after also owning large capacity two stroke scoots, that have no deficiency in that area ) and after getting a Yoshi R77 system myself a few years ago, made things even worse. Finding a Malossi Force Master 2 was difficult ( as its mostly discontinued, in favour of the Force Master 3 for the more current 530/560 Tmaxs's ) ebay was pretty much my only option, and while the item price was fine, postage was clearly a price gouge to get more money but i guess it is what it is. A Multivar will be next on my Tmax shopping list. I guess for you, its cams and a 560 kit ?😬
What I hope to do is leave it alone and ride, but we'll see how that goes. DynoJet makes a Power Commader for the TMAX 500 that is on clearance for roughly $100 less than the Force Master. The reason I didn't go that route is that it says it only has a tune for a stock TMAX and I wanted plug and play as easy as possible. That said, if you have a wideband to use as I did, I think you could work out a better tune than the Force Master most likely. The Power Commader actually lets you modify the tables rather than only have dials, so it's more customizable.
@@49ccscoot yeah, a power commander would be better, but it requires a dyno and a tuner that knows what they are doing. The Force Master 2 is a compromise, but it will get me close enough.
Awesome video, I own a Tmax 500 2009 and I love it, I keep everything stocks. I am from europe and it was hard to find one in california!! keep the good work. Next we want to see a turbo installed lol
I don't know that I want to go that far. Well, I do... but I would like to be able to actually use the bike. It's supposed to be my sensible scooter that I don't work on all of the time and just ride. I got myself into a turbo Mustang project once and the stress that boost causes can change everything in both good and bad ways.
@@49ccscoot in Europe a lot off peopel do it. With the base turbo kit you can run 0.8 bar without any engine modifications and get around 80 hp on the rear wheel. The engine can take this easily and many turboed tmaxes have over 80.000 kms. Just look up Marco Magistrati on YT he makes a lot of videos on his turbo kit
Tmax models do vary - that model Tmax (mk3) is great, but it is slow off the line, and putting new variators or other similar things help a lot. However, the standard setup works well at high speed. The variators on later models - especially from 2017 on - work much better, and I'd expect smaller gains from transmission work. The 2017 ones on are rocket ships! DrPulley sliders are an easy mod that improve acceleration greatly, and are far cheap than a new variator.
I don't speak any other language, but google translate works. If you have cash to spare or just like the sound, go for it. I don't really think it's enough of a gain for it to make sense because of performance gains vs cost.
Oh boi I'd love to see your reaction to a 2017 tmax 530 with just a j.costa vario or even the malossi you'd love it especially the new 2022 560's with just a vario are lovely
I'd really like to have the option to check out a newer TMAX, but we don't get them here. There are a very limited amount of TMAX 530s in the US, but I've literally never seen one come up for sale anytime I've searched. I've seen no other TMAX like mine in real life and one 530.
Привет ещё раз с Казахстана Я поставил себе прямоточный глушитель итальянский Mivv поставил фильтр нулевого сопротивления у меня японская версия воздушный корпус имел 1 отверстие теперь я сделал два поставил вторую трубку на впуске перед воздушным фильтром как у европейца. Мне говорят что нужно корректировать топливо чтобы не было перелива я не убил свой мотор теперь хочу спросить у вас совет Стоит ли мне покупать обманку топливной системы и настраивать топливо? Или мне ничего не делать всё будет работать нормально? У меня такой же как у вас третье поколение
It sounds like you should try to increase fuel now. If it runs well, you might get away with it. You can check local shops with dynos. Some will do a dyno run fairly cheap, so you may be able to find out if you really need it.
You will get actually better results, without having to spend big money on fuel controllers and a replacement variator, by addressing some things that you didn't. First, just putting on a Yoshi KILLS the low-end torque, by eliminating too much necessary back pressure in the exhaust stream. We tried one on my brother's 2009 Tmax 500 with 15 gram Dr. Pulleys and it killed it off the line. Almost unrideable. He sold it off and imported a 2012 Tmax 530 to California from Canada (Yes, doable and legal!). My initially modestly modded 2009 Tmax 500 and his 530 with Dr. Pulleys pulled hard from rest to 65 MPH dead even. Then, we put an MIVV "Stronger" exhaust on the 530, which was freer-flowing BUT with correctly sized ID exhaust pipes. It threw codes for about 3 minutes as the ECU adjusted and then BAM! Side-by side he now would pull away up the freeway ramp never looking back! Don't create a problem! (MIVV doesn't list the "Stronger" for the 500, but it fits perfectly! You just have to replace the 4 downpipe mounting studs with the longer ones that Yamaha went with on the 530 redesign...) So, TIP#1: get the correct exhaust! Next, going with even lighter weights to move into the heart of your torque band for response and acceleration is going about it the wrong way. You have everything apart to put in Dr. Pulley sliders, which actually lower your initial "gearing" a bit by setting the variator halves further apart at rest, due to the geometry of the Sliders. To give you a higher rpm baseline under full throttle, all you need to to is use the factory torsion controller (which you should have taken apart to lube ANYWAY!) as it's designed to work, and change to a Malossi "White" spring and torsion control plate. Gives you about 800 more RPM across the board under full load. Acceleration curve remains as set by the stock variator with Dr. Pulleys. Midrange response in MUCH better, as you are in the heart of the torque curve! TIP#2: Fix the Torsion Controller to actually match the Torque Curve! Now, there is still the elephant in the room, the stock ECU LEAN MAPPING. It tries to keep everything at a stochiomentic14.7:1 fuel ratio as much as possible. BAD idea for acceleration whenever needed and high speed running (80 mph to 115mph+). Again, it's an EASY fix that is CHEAP! First, install a Malossi Lamda Emulator in-line with the circuit to the O2 sensor. BAM! All the lean Idle and off the line hesitation is GONE!And then, once you are rolling, the delay/modification in that signal from the O2 sensor richens it up initially when you nail the throttle. Great! Except for the fact that the fuel delivery is CRAP. The stock fuel pump, which eventually FAILS on everyone, can barely push out 2-2.2 BAR at best. That's why the top end goes flat, there is not enough supply available for the injectors at high speed full throttle. Doesn't matter if you have a Magic Controller, there's not enough to work with. So, put a high-pressure Quantum Fuel Systems fuel pump in, with a Polini 3.5 BAR Fuel Pressure Regulator installed. No flat spots, no hesitation, no high-end starvation. More fuel with more pressure and better atomization! TIP#3: Fix the Fuel Supply! What do you end-up with? A very reasonably-priced BEAST of a Tmax500. Pulls from rest to 100 mph without ANY hesitation, tops-out at a corrected 115 mph. 0-60 is a tick above 5 seconds, mid range passing uphill just GOES, and still gets around 50 mpg on tour. Work WITH the bike's design, not against it! (Disclaimer: That is with the GIVI AirFlow windscreen, which adds much needed aerodynamics above 80mph to the stock BRICK that is a Tmax. It's THAT GOOD.)
#1 : Exhaust : Is the Yoshi ideal? Maybe not. I've designed and built my own exhausts, so I get it... but in this case it was different. I wasn't going to get an exhaust at all. The Yoshi was cheap on eBay. I tried it. I like it regardless. Not spending more money on another pipe. Good luck finding the info about pipe sizing etc... without someone directly telling you, so thanks for sharing that info here. # 2: Torque Driver : It was just cleaned, inspected and smoothed out prior to this as part of maintenance. It would be silly to take it back apart. I did install a fresh stock spring during maintenance, just because they are cheap enough and I wasn't sure what I'd find pre-service. I've tuned a whole lot of setups over the years and I'm not convinced that contra spring is the answer. Generally if there is not belt slip adding spring pressure makes less power and wears belts faster. What actually happened when I have tested the two practices side by side was that I couldn't tell any real difference in stiffer contra with heavier weights vs softer contra with lighter weights. Could be that this case is different though, I haven't tried it on the TMAX. #3 : Fuel Supply : I do have a later model pump, to fix TMAX fever. That's the only fuel system mod aside from the controller. If it is going lean, the wideband didn't tell me. I could get it well into 12:1 WOT wound out... it just didn't perform quite as well there. For me, what I did worked. I don't disagree on the pipe. It clearly went slower with only the pipe. I have a PowerBronze windscreen that I cut down so aero is probably better than stock... but I'm a big dude that doesn't tuck down so well regardless. Net net is that I enjoy the bike a lot more now and the only way I plan to do much more right now is if something goes and I "have to" build a 560.
@@49ccscoot I had thought about a 560cc set-up, but now it's already fast enough to get me in trouble so I tabled the idea. I sure have enjoyed my Tmax. And my CA license plate is the BEST possible: TMAX500
Just love your work sir. Have you ever heard about J Costa? I am spanish and in my country the extreme variador, and clutch etc is j costa. I think it make diferents
@@49ccscoot there 2 types nowdays. The pro version and the XRP [ extreme racing performance] version, the xrp bring some changes in the air holes for the bullets [ they are transversal variator], a new and shortter belt [ kevlar like malossi ] and a ring that makes work better the xrp. The pro version is only for 2008 until 2017. The felling is quite different from malossi, very smooth felling but very close to 0-100kmtr/hour to malossi, the test i have seen are almost the same in test bank. The diferent is between 100-140 kmtr/hour...there the jcosta is much better getting a better torque and reaction in that speed. Price from official size Pro 300€ Xrp 479€ inclu belt and two weight of bullets.
Hey. A question about mvt dd for minarelli horizontal...it seems there are 2 types (for aerox before 2003 and after 2004)...it says "For Minarelli engines before 2003 without wire harness and battery, not suitable for MBK / Yamaha after 2003 (with battery)."My question is does it really matter because on stock ignition same coil is used for lights and for battery charging(through a rectifier)?.Its basicly the same stator that you got for the TPR engine.
Hi, first of all congratulations for the video, I didn't know you and I found the video by pure chance. I saw a really competent person and the various tests carried out for every small change, really good. I would therefore like to ask you a question if possible, I have a 2021 tmax 560 which is all original apart from the Akrapovic exhaust, what do you recommend doing as modifications? A thousand thanks
Hey Brent. Great video (as always)... Now I kinda want a T-Max... This video has convinced me to change out the NCY variatior on my Rough House 50 to a Multivar... Does Scooter tuning CA have a way to let them know "Brent sent me"??? What are you working on this winter? Looking forward to your next video.
Hey. You could write that 49ccScoot sent you in the notes on a web order or tell them if it's a phone order. Thanks for thinking of that. Not sure what I'm getting into this winter. I need to finish the garage makeover. Not looking forward to that. Prob work on the SSR. Would be nice to get that going someday.
Sounds to me like a huge amount of work and cash whilst effectively losing any guarantee that may have existed on the bike whilst missing out on just riding , and a second or so on the standing 1/4 mile sounds important if you were racing but is of little or no consequence on the road..Buying a mint condition Gilera GP800 with 74 (ISH) HP V-twin would have made a way way bigger difference cos when it comes to performance..Bigger is better, however the best thing about this video is how well it illustrates just what a " rabbit-hole" of expense and complexity you go down chasing tiny performance gains which might be significant on the track, but almost irrelevant on the road..what I was impressed with was your logic and measured approach to the search for speed and performance, and a well delivered commentary and a compelling argument to leave the bike in relatively standard trim given the bikes power to weight ratio being the biggest hurdle and it's longevity being potentially compromised..it also highlighted the greatest proverb..." Every solution breeds new problems" but hats off for a really well made video indeed!
Thanks. For me, it actually transformed the scoot to something that I enjoy so much more than ever. Well worth the effort/expense for the variator. Exhaust is more or less just fun and not really worth it otherwise. I'm way more confident merging into traffic and those sorts of things. I would consider a big Gilera. I'd love to have one. Not so easy in the US. People don't like scooters here that much so big scoots don't sell. To my knowledge, the 800cc and over stuff never sold here. I've never actually seen another TMAX like my year in person and I've seen 1 or maybe 2 of the later ones when they brought them back in 2015 or 2016 before immediately taking them away because no one was buying them.
Hello, i have a Vinci scooter and it has DC..CDI...and when I switch the key on , the spark plug it starts sparking ..without the engine cranking. If I remove the spark plug..is stars arching on the ignition coil ...if I put contact key in on position. And if I start cranking the motor doesn't start only backfires few times.. What could be the problem .? Thank you!
@@49ccscoot Thank you , I have already bought a new CDI...I'll see what it does... Anyways..I forgot to mention that, the battery electric fuse.was also . burned...
hello brant, great report, tested very well. I have the same components in it and the speed display is short. I don't have this with the old Malossi Vario, does the belt slip or why is that like that? Did you install the original belt or the one from Malossi x Belt Kevlar? Kind regards, Nello
I've just been using the Yamaha belt. When you say the speed display is short, do you mean the way it doesn't show speed till it's already moving pretty fast? That's some sort of issue with the speedometers on these. All of them do it to some degree from what I've seen (at least older models). If it were belt slip, RPM would increase and you wouldn't be accelerating. If you mean it's not going as fast, then maybe you have an issue with roller or slider weight, the belt is worn too thin, there could be slip or some other CVT issue. Observing RPM would help. If you want it to go fast, then RPM needs to be around the powerband.
@@49ccscoot First of all, thank you for your quick answer, sorry for my English. In your video at 12:30 min, the speedometer stops briefly at 20 and 40 or slows down and only from 60 onwards does it rise evenly to 100. This is also the case for me when I mount the Malossi Vario MHT Next with 16 g weights. If I put the old Malossi vario on it with the same weights, it doesn't work. I took different measuring points on the road, the scooter runs the same speed with both Varios, I think if I didn't have the misfires on the speedometer, I would be faster in acceleration with the new Vario from Malossi until I reach the different speed at my measuring points on the street. The speed increases evenly, it doesn't increase briefly as if the belt were spinning. I have the 2011 model, so I think it has a new speedometer.
@@NF-ze2fo I don't think it reflects anything happening with the engine and CVT for most of us. Your case is an odd one. You can see videos of people with all sorts of setups and the speedometer is unresponsive at low speed when accelerating hard. The speedometer is electronic, so I assume it is a form of lag.
@@49ccscoot Yes, it could also be that he reacts later, so the vario mht next appears to accelerate a little faster and the speedometer doesn't keep up. The speedometer measures normally at the ABS sensor on the rear tire, it's a strange phenomenon, thanks for your opinion.
It's an Auto Meter Ultra Lite wideband gauge kit. I've had it for years. Was on my Mustang and then the TaoTao. It's been reliable so I have no real complaints. It reads 10-16:1. If you were after a wider range on the display, then maybe look elsewhere or see if the newer models are different by now.
Hi Brent and thank you for your content and approach. When you talk about longer and shorter bosses and changes in the rpms, does this mean the engine will rev higher or lower for a certain speed? Can it also influence the top rpm of the engine? Thanks
Up to a certain point, you may not notice an overall RPM change. You may just see changes on takeoff or top end. When spacing is great enough that it makes it tougher for the belt to shift outward in the front pulley, then RPM will increase.
Thanks a lot. Do you think a smaller boss could lead to a reduction in 1000 rpm? Or in other words, that the scooter is unable to go higher than 7000 rpm? Thanks again for your interest.
nice one! :) Is the Malossi Variator stock angle?.. I found that using other angle then stock after couple of months is not good.. get worse with time. Now im only using Stock angle variators. and just modify the slider ramps and drive pulley so the belt can travel higher..
Wear issue and wear on the pulley also. it was Stock angle on my Honda is 15degree made it to 13.8 degree after couple of months use its 14.3 degree,.. Wont run good. less tourqe. Change to Standard pulley and belt and the bike run great again haha@@49ccscoot
@@pattayakamagra8325 If you had pulleys with angles that you didn't like, it may be possible to machine the faces to a different angle. Depends on the wear and thickness and how much of an angle change. Only makes sense if you have a lathe though. Machining probably costs as much or more than the part.
i have accesses to good machinery shop here in Thailand the guy works with micron .very precise. and good prices we do Big bore Cams lathe milling pistons. @@49ccscoot
You shouldn't need to do much maintenance of any wiring harness. I like to check them over during a PDI with a new scooter and maybe use some dielectric grease where applicable and silicone to help seal some connections. Be sure it's not going to be pinched anywhere or be near high heat sources. Beyond that, it should be maintenance free. ua-cam.com/video/qMs2u9zFY9Q/v-deo.html
Hey i have a question it's my 139QMB Scooter, I bought the 80CC Converted but now I'm delivering the food orders. I have a big bag in the back but I can see the max 40Mph. Any suggestions on my engine that I can do? Currently stock CVT settings available, on my scooter variator weights 5.5GR
@@usmancoban3448 Clutch springs and CVT tuning may help a little. I'd use sliders if buying tuning supplies. If nothing else they last longer, but sometimes offer a little performance benefit. Aftermarket variators may make it accelerate more quickly and possibly go a little faster. A different camshaft could help it pick up a little more power and rev out a little more.
boss quick question: my tmax has 14k miles runs good i still didn’t do any maintenance but now i wanna do sum can you tell me what i should be checking and changing as a list please.
I have a 2009 Tmax. Put on an Akrapovic exhaust. It sounds slightly louder than stock, weighs 10.5 lbs less (I weighed them) but can’t detect change in performance. Hardly ever pops during deceleration. The previous owner installed lighter sliders so ok performance off the line, 0 to 60 in about 8 seconds. I weigh 182 lbs. Your charts and graphs are a huge help in deciding what to modify next. Is there a way of having the advantage of attaining higher rpm during acceleration and stock design cruise rpm too?
I suspect that you'd do pretty well with 18g weights in the Multivar. Wouldn't accelerate as fast as lighter weights, but it should go quicker than stock and stay closer to standard cruise RPM. Perhaps less shimming of the drive boss if you use a Multivar as well.
What do you know about the aprilia 50cc 2t scarabeo it’s non diatech and was thinking of going 100cc I haven’t found a water cooled setup yet but before I buy I would like your input
I don't know a lot about them, but it should be a Piaggio HiPer-2 engine. Should be plenty of performance parts around for it. Cases are probably harder to come by than typical scoots because of the big wheel.
@@49ccscoot I’ve got 2 now I’m thinking of putting one on a taotao racer due to it already having a 16 inch front tire it’s a heavy scooter at 275 pounds should be a fun project thanks for the info and love the fact that you actually talk to your fans I appreciate all your help ty
@@jeffkrauss5582 Just realized that's the sport bike styled TaoTao. If you can fit the tire under it properly, that would be a really neat build and truly make it look like a little scaled down sport bike.
Why don’t they give it these mods from factory ? Fuel efficiency? But i mean especially the straight lanes in the torque driver. Sorry for my bad english.
On a 500cc i get that but on my 50cc piaggio zip they also don’t give it straight lanes for example. I can hardly imagine that is difficult to control.
@@dutch-nature-history-bydrone Maybe not difficult to control, but it's more tame the way it's setup most likely. It shifts to lower RPM quicker. I can tell you from years on forums that some people dislike anything that seems aggressive to them. People put clutch springs in and then complain that it revs too much before it goes for example... even when they chose to do it. It may also help with fuel economy or engine life and it will likely depend on how the whole system operates together. Some scoots do have straight grooved torque drivers stock.
Ok clear i really appreciate you taking the time to answer me. I started watching your channel when my garage had a waiting list and since then was able to do everything myself by watching your videos. Thanks and keep up the great work.
But why did you put 16g back in with all the mods,when result wih 15g was so good? Thats the only confusing part to me. Other than that it was a great video.
I mentioned it in the video, but the CVT acted different over time. RPM increased. Could be belt wear, possibly removing one shim would work, but going back to 16g gave me better results.
Didn't even know they made them till you said something. I've seen mixed reviews on other bikes. I figure it depends how well they are designed for each application and even in a best case scenario maybe around 2HP on a stock-ish TMAX. Possibly more likely to be in the 0-1HP range if I were guessing.
Malossi makes Multivars for both of those. I'd clean and inspect the whole CVT and belt while you're doing it, just in case that "dead spot" is a wear issue or other problem and not just tuning.
Your “dead spot” is factory … for fuel economy and noise reduction. A Big Ruckus “face B” will do away with the dead spot. Make sure it’s the “big ruckus 250” face b. The shift you feel is the different length ramps and the 21g and the 31 g rollers expanding at different rpm’s on those ramps. If you take out the 3 21g rollers and just leave in the 3 31g , you will have an instant improvement in acceleration. I put a lot of miles on my reflex when I had it.
Good evening I would like to know is it worth buying the malossi master 2 case knowing that my 500cc is equipped with an over range pack malossi is a prime jet clutch with malossi clutch discs and also the filters I changed them by malossi filters and also a complete akrapovic line so I'm full I just have the injection box tell me is what we install it He will bring me a gain in acceleration and push even harder thank you
Check them to be sure they meet spec. No sense in cleaning worn out stuff. Then you probably just need to remove the glaze with sandpaper or Scotch Brite pads as lightly as you can. Clean with something like brake parts cleaner. Soak in the engine oil overnight before reassembly. I have heard people only using sandpaper on glass to break the glaze, in order to keep plates true. With only light sanding, I'm not sure that it's really necessary. If you have grease or something on the friction plates, then brake parts cleaner and if that doesn't work they may need to be soaked in mineral spirits. I've heard of people boiling clutch plates in water. If in doubt, replace.
@@49ccscoot thank u ! sorry to bother u i have one more question can u list me items that can be turned into malossi parts for a tmax 2009 and if u don’t mind amazon doesn’t have any can u tell me where u do order them sir thank u so much we love ur videos down here wish u were closer so we can get to see some of ur art sir !
@@nemsisjl4047 I typically buy form ScooterTuning.ca. ScooterPartsCo carries a lot of Malossi stuff. Both have pages where you can see everything for the TMAX.
Not quite. It doesn't guess at torque or horsepower. It measures speed and distance as well as g-force to give you acceleration data. It's a dragy that's basically a GPS unit that updates at a higher frequency than the phone does and interacts with an app. I really like it and have tested it vs my old video timing method, and you can find many people testing them vs track timeslips to prove accuracy. amzn.to/3uE205U
Ciao sono italiano! In Italia è da circa 1/2 anni che si sente parlare di questi nuovi rulli dr.pull. Grazie per aver fatto queste prove sono molto utili x me! Ma mi chiedo come velocità massima quanto hai? Comunque è chiaro uno scooter non è una moto! Ma noi il tmax lo usiamo tutti i giorni per andare a lavoro fare la spesa e portare i bambini a scuola! Poi se vogliamo correre facciamo il turbo
I haven't really tested top speed with all the mods. I know it was about the same with sliders in the stock variator instead of rollers. It's horsepower and aerodynamic limited mostly. I think the top speed is roughly the same now as it was, but whether it goes 95 or 105 top speed is really of no consequence to me and makes little difference in the experience to me. What matters most to me is that acceleration is so much better and I can still cruise fast without issue.
I looked for that or an Arpilia SRV 850 in the past. Never sold in the US to my knowledge. Hard to get and source parts for here. The only bigger scoots that I know of here are more touring oriented and don't feel light at low speeds and/or aren't very attractive.
@@pubbiehive We barely got the TMAX, and that's the most popular big scoot in the world. They quit selling them here after the 2011 models. I don't think we ever got the generation before those. Then, they brought it back in 2015. Not sure if it was that year or the next, but quit selling them again. I saw some brand new at dealers a few years past their release being offered at lower prices to try to get rid of them. Scoots get no love here.
@@49ccscoot it's pretty crazy considering how much easier it is to get a motorcycle license in the US vs over here in northern europe. we have a harsher, colder climate and get a way shorter riding season as well but we still have way more scooters, although moped size scooters are obviously the most popular, since you don't need a motorcycle license to ride them.
@@pubbiehive The motorcycle issue is the problem with TMAX sales I think. It's a motorcycle by licensing class here, so most want a cruiser, especially Harley, or a sport bike. It's not fast for a 500 and that doesn't help. Then there's the fact that it is a scooter, which is like saying a dirty word to your biker buddies. You have to be cool enough to realize that cool is not following what everyone else likes to be a scooter enthusiast here. There are small scoots in larger towns. I may see a big scoot or mid-sized here or there, but it's pretty few and far between for me. I've never seen another person on a TMAX 500 in real life. I have seen 1 or 2 TMAX 530s... or probably the same one a couple of times.
@@49ccscoot i have the same tmax bud to fast😂 sorry bud a tmax is not really fast. For me the tmax is comfort bud very slow. Take a old honda sh 300 and it wins from the tmax. I also hat a majesty 400 that feels faster than the tmax. I think a normal variator and koppeling like other scooters is better and lose less power. Also the tmax uses alot off gasoline. Bud i am very happy with the comfort, it rides great.
@@florisnr11 if an old honda sh 300 and a majesty 400 was better than your tmax, then...maybe your tmax have a problem. you cant match those 3 on acceleration or whatever.
LOL It's not that loud. Trust me. I have Harleys and trucks with straight pipes or glasspacks that go by my house all day that would drown this out easily. I think because it aims up and it's not all the way out the back, it sounds loud on the scoot. Most bikes have low exhausts that extend all the way to the rear of the bike and aim back or are low and aim back/out. Plus, other people aren't exposed to the sound for hours. It's not an issue on a 15 minute ride. Besides, many people wear ear plugs just for wind noise.
@@sidney9534 Could be worse. Could be some silent electric two-wheeler that's much more likely to injure pedestrians or cyclists according to NHTSA and other studies.
I got 2006 black max, Mallosi clutch ,vibrator, 12gr, KN air filter, arrow full system, Dino jet, need 4 hands to hold the bike when accelerating & to 80-100kmh im pretty much jet rocket!
Pure fun!
When you have a Speedo that can't keep up. You know you're heading in the right direction.
Love your pragmatic approach.
Very informative and goal oriented.
Kudos for the valuable info.
This is currently the best setup for reliability for this motor,500cc's tend to blow up if pushed any harder than stock hp so dont even think about big bores,530cc next model engine is stronger and can take a lot of beating even get turbocharged and be reliable,this info is all from testing through the years being a mechanic and tuner
I am searching a video like this since sooooo long time. performance mod on tmax WITH DATA!!! huge thank you for your work
This is an amazing video and very informative. Thanks a lot for the effort you put into it 😊
i own t max, 2009, 2 years driving it, its really good scooter, i have arrow exhaust, very loud lol,
tnx for video, very well explained
I love how cost effective these are. My fuel injected 169cc with mods and registration cost under $900 so far and it's the most fuel efficient vehicle I've ever owned. One of the most fun as well! so far it goes 70 with just me on it
What scoot have you got?
@@49ccscoot it’s just a 2015 kymco like 200i with 12k miles on it. I bought it for $400 with a blown motor so I put a taida 61mm cylinder in it and I just started tuning the transmission rollers. Next mod on the way is a contra spring!
Tmax is the GOAT! The 500s and 530s are cool and attainable, the 560 from what scooterswapshop has showed and done is a complete monster for such a big scoot
The Car Wizard! But for Scoots! 😎
Brilliant Man, you are a STAR - I'm just a rider with little mechanical abilities but love tech! So, got the Honda NC700D Integra instead, because it is more of a utility machine! Have just done a 6 day 2000 mile trip and it really shined, there were 10 other bikes from 390 to 1200 cc, not one of them could out gun me to 40mph so the concensus was from the other riders, respect!! Also, one day was 4 hours at 75 mph and still the little beast did not dip below 60mpg!
Still want a TMAX though because it is lighter, lower, easier to mount and cool - but Mr Honda still wins because the 700 is a frame you can hang all sorts of luggage on, unlike the TMAX!
Sounds like quite a journey! Glad the Honda treated you so well. It's an interesting machine.
sweet machine i love it
What a great video, very informative, bought a 530 in 2017 after one to many spills meant left knee very painfull on bikes so needed the extra leg room of a scooter, liked it so much i'm now on my second with a 560, after much deliberation on a little more acceleration opted for a chain and sprocket to get more power at the back wheel, was going to suggest this as a potential mod but then realised the 500 is already chain drive lol, great to see someone pushing the TMAX rather than sticking a big screen on the front and a top box they are great machines.
I wish we could get the later models here. It's kind of sad that the US doesn't get big sporty scoots. The touring/commuting crowd is basically the big scoot market here. No, the TMAX is not a sport bike... but it's got a lot going for it if people could forget that their friends will chuckle when they say they have a scooter.
@@49ccscoot feeling your pain dude, i might be moaning all the models are not available in the UK but at least we can get the latest models.
Thank you. I got xmax 300 and just put akropovic exhaust. The noise difference is shocking fun but loud. Going down the Rd of tunning now think I def change the veryator cheers
Thanks Brent!! I'm really curious how this set up will work with time, and you are the best man to present it :) Cheers!!
Good job my friend
I had a filter, full exhaust system, j costa race variator and a power commander 3, dyno time and got 47bhp, but was lumpy in the revs so dropped it back to 43bhp at the rear wheel, was getting under 6 second 0 to 60 times, was fantastic.
Mine is in my videos from 11 years ago.
Happy on going year 2023! Hope to see some new videos soon, keep em coming, will be watching :)
❤I really enjoy your many videos. I am from Manitoba Canada and am sure mine is the only TMAX within hundreds of miles. I enjoy this scoot. I ride mine about 6000 miles a year in our short summers. Mine is an 09 model with the new red n white plastic panels. it has a molossi variation but no idea onwhich weights. It works great and I love the ease of operation plus comfort and weather protection and storage. I plan to ride on longer tours like to the black hills in South Dakota and more. i'm still on ly at 15000 miles. Would love to meet you in person some time. Keep up the great mods and video production.
Wow you came along way from doin 30mph on that black tao tao like mine lol.after seeing your 0-30mph test runs on the tao seeing you hitting 80 on this newest scoot was pretty badass.love your videos bro your the best when it comes to you tube scoot vids..by far! thx for doing what you do.
Ты очень грамотно всё рассказываешь большое тебе спасибо!
Excellent video. Here in the EU a variator and a loud pipe is very common if u have a T-Max. One thing I did not see is the racing SPRING for the rear plates, it is a must and usually comes in the Variator kit set. And as for the air fuel mixture, u have a hidden DIAG service menu on all Yamahas, for diagnostics and to tweak the CO settings by yourself. Cheers
This variator didn't come with a contra spring.
@@49ccscoot Hope U get one and try it. And once again love your vids 😁👌🏻
Excallent video. Every Tmax video you upload was very helpfull and well made. Keep up the good work I hope you enjoy your rides even more now. Also if you like to skyrocket your 0-60 try the polini 241.696 it's really a beast but hard for daily use. That's all i had to say as a fellow Tmax rider.
of course you need to remap an ecu on a modern 4T engine when you swap to an exhaust with less back pressure.
Wow, very comprehensive video.
Well done you should consider a Malossi Torque Drive, with that you should be able to launch really good and you can set it up as you like. Also it keeps the rpm's steady
Another excellent video Brent.
Was waiting for this one to come out, and see the results of the fuel controller.
Like you, i found stock Tmax 500 acceleration underwhelming ( especially so, after also owning large capacity two stroke scoots, that have no deficiency in that area ) and after getting a Yoshi R77 system myself a few years ago, made things even worse.
Finding a Malossi Force Master 2 was difficult ( as its mostly discontinued, in favour of the Force Master 3 for the more current 530/560 Tmaxs's ) ebay was pretty much my only option, and while the item price was fine, postage was clearly a price gouge to get more money but i guess it is what it is.
A Multivar will be next on my Tmax shopping list.
I guess for you, its cams and a 560 kit ?😬
What I hope to do is leave it alone and ride, but we'll see how that goes.
DynoJet makes a Power Commader for the TMAX 500 that is on clearance for roughly $100 less than the Force Master. The reason I didn't go that route is that it says it only has a tune for a stock TMAX and I wanted plug and play as easy as possible. That said, if you have a wideband to use as I did, I think you could work out a better tune than the Force Master most likely. The Power Commader actually lets you modify the tables rather than only have dials, so it's more customizable.
@@49ccscoot yeah, a power commander would be better, but it requires a dyno and a tuner that knows what they are doing.
The Force Master 2 is a compromise, but it will get me close enough.
Very nice video. Keep the good work
Awesome video, I own a Tmax 500 2009 and I love it, I keep everything stocks. I am from europe and it was hard to find one in california!! keep the good work. Next we want to see a turbo installed lol
I don't know that I want to go that far. Well, I do... but I would like to be able to actually use the bike. It's supposed to be my sensible scooter that I don't work on all of the time and just ride. I got myself into a turbo Mustang project once and the stress that boost causes can change everything in both good and bad ways.
@@49ccscoot in Europe a lot off peopel do it. With the base turbo kit you can run 0.8 bar without any engine modifications and get around 80 hp on the rear wheel. The engine can take this easily and many turboed tmaxes have over 80.000 kms. Just look up Marco Magistrati on YT he makes a lot of videos on his turbo kit
Tmax models do vary - that model Tmax (mk3) is great, but it is slow off the line, and putting new variators or other similar things help a lot. However, the standard setup works well at high speed. The variators on later models - especially from 2017 on - work much better, and I'd expect smaller gains from transmission work. The 2017 ones on are rocket ships! DrPulley sliders are an easy mod that improve acceleration greatly, and are far cheap than a new variator.
Great video! bummer on the spacer/washer deal, yeah probably flipped over on disassembly. Not sure why there is a spacer/washer combo....
Привет Смотрю тебя с Казахстана Подскажи стоит менять выхлоп или нет?
У меня вариатор malossi передний и задний выхлоп стандартный вот думаю менять или нет
I don't speak any other language, but google translate works. If you have cash to spare or just like the sound, go for it. I don't really think it's enough of a gain for it to make sense because of performance gains vs cost.
Thorough!
Oh boi I'd love to see your reaction to a 2017 tmax 530 with just a j.costa vario or even the malossi you'd love it especially the new 2022 560's with just a vario are lovely
I'd really like to have the option to check out a newer TMAX, but we don't get them here. There are a very limited amount of TMAX 530s in the US, but I've literally never seen one come up for sale anytime I've searched. I've seen no other TMAX like mine in real life and one 530.
Привет ещё раз с Казахстана Я поставил себе прямоточный глушитель итальянский Mivv поставил фильтр нулевого сопротивления у меня японская версия воздушный корпус имел 1 отверстие теперь я сделал два поставил вторую трубку на впуске перед воздушным фильтром как у европейца. Мне говорят что нужно корректировать топливо чтобы не было перелива я не убил свой мотор теперь хочу спросить у вас совет Стоит ли мне покупать обманку топливной системы и настраивать топливо? Или мне ничего не делать всё будет работать нормально? У меня такой же как у вас третье поколение
It sounds like you should try to increase fuel now. If it runs well, you might get away with it. You can check local shops with dynos. Some will do a dyno run fairly cheap, so you may be able to find out if you really need it.
You will get actually better results, without having to spend big money on fuel controllers and a replacement variator, by addressing some things that you didn't. First, just putting on a Yoshi KILLS the low-end torque, by eliminating too much necessary back pressure in the exhaust stream. We tried one on my brother's 2009 Tmax 500 with 15 gram Dr. Pulleys and it killed it off the line. Almost unrideable.
He sold it off and imported a 2012 Tmax 530 to California from Canada (Yes, doable and legal!). My initially modestly modded 2009 Tmax 500 and his 530 with Dr. Pulleys pulled hard from rest to 65 MPH dead even. Then, we put an MIVV "Stronger" exhaust on the 530, which was freer-flowing BUT with correctly sized ID exhaust pipes. It threw codes for about 3 minutes as the ECU adjusted and then BAM! Side-by side he now would pull away up the freeway ramp never looking back! Don't create a problem!
(MIVV doesn't list the "Stronger" for the 500, but it fits perfectly! You just have to replace the 4 downpipe mounting studs with the longer ones that Yamaha went with on the 530 redesign...)
So, TIP#1: get the correct exhaust!
Next, going with even lighter weights to move into the heart of your torque band for response and acceleration is going about it the wrong way. You have everything apart to put in Dr. Pulley sliders, which actually lower your initial "gearing" a bit by setting the variator halves further apart at rest, due to the geometry of the Sliders.
To give you a higher rpm baseline under full throttle, all you need to to is use the factory torsion controller (which you should have taken apart to lube ANYWAY!) as it's designed to work, and change to a Malossi "White" spring and torsion control plate. Gives you about 800 more RPM across the board under full load. Acceleration curve remains as set by the stock variator with Dr. Pulleys. Midrange response in MUCH better, as you are in the heart of the torque curve!
TIP#2: Fix the Torsion Controller to actually match the Torque Curve!
Now, there is still the elephant in the room, the stock ECU LEAN MAPPING. It tries to keep everything at a stochiomentic14.7:1 fuel ratio as much as possible. BAD idea for acceleration whenever needed and high speed running (80 mph to 115mph+). Again, it's an EASY fix that is CHEAP! First, install a Malossi Lamda Emulator in-line with the circuit to the O2 sensor. BAM! All the lean Idle and off the line hesitation is GONE!And then, once you are rolling, the delay/modification in that signal from the O2 sensor richens it up initially when you nail the throttle. Great!
Except for the fact that the fuel delivery is CRAP. The stock fuel pump, which eventually FAILS on everyone, can barely push out 2-2.2 BAR at best. That's why the top end goes flat, there is not enough supply available for the injectors at high speed full throttle. Doesn't matter if you have a Magic Controller, there's not enough to work with. So, put a high-pressure Quantum Fuel Systems fuel pump in, with a Polini 3.5 BAR Fuel Pressure Regulator installed. No flat spots, no hesitation, no high-end starvation. More fuel with more pressure and better atomization!
TIP#3: Fix the Fuel Supply!
What do you end-up with? A very reasonably-priced BEAST of a Tmax500. Pulls from rest to 100 mph without ANY hesitation, tops-out at a corrected 115 mph. 0-60 is a tick above 5 seconds, mid range passing uphill just GOES, and still gets around 50 mpg on tour. Work WITH the bike's design, not against it!
(Disclaimer: That is with the GIVI AirFlow windscreen, which adds much needed aerodynamics above 80mph to the stock BRICK that is a Tmax. It's THAT GOOD.)
#1 : Exhaust : Is the Yoshi ideal? Maybe not. I've designed and built my own exhausts, so I get it... but in this case it was different. I wasn't going to get an exhaust at all. The Yoshi was cheap on eBay. I tried it. I like it regardless. Not spending more money on another pipe. Good luck finding the info about pipe sizing etc... without someone directly telling you, so thanks for sharing that info here.
# 2: Torque Driver : It was just cleaned, inspected and smoothed out prior to this as part of maintenance. It would be silly to take it back apart. I did install a fresh stock spring during maintenance, just because they are cheap enough and I wasn't sure what I'd find pre-service. I've tuned a whole lot of setups over the years and I'm not convinced that contra spring is the answer. Generally if there is not belt slip adding spring pressure makes less power and wears belts faster. What actually happened when I have tested the two practices side by side was that I couldn't tell any real difference in stiffer contra with heavier weights vs softer contra with lighter weights. Could be that this case is different though, I haven't tried it on the TMAX.
#3 : Fuel Supply : I do have a later model pump, to fix TMAX fever. That's the only fuel system mod aside from the controller. If it is going lean, the wideband didn't tell me. I could get it well into 12:1 WOT wound out... it just didn't perform quite as well there.
For me, what I did worked. I don't disagree on the pipe. It clearly went slower with only the pipe. I have a PowerBronze windscreen that I cut down so aero is probably better than stock... but I'm a big dude that doesn't tuck down so well regardless. Net net is that I enjoy the bike a lot more now and the only way I plan to do much more right now is if something goes and I "have to" build a 560.
@@49ccscoot I had thought about a 560cc set-up, but now it's already fast enough to get me in trouble so I tabled the idea. I sure have enjoyed my Tmax. And my CA license plate is the BEST possible: TMAX500
Just love your work sir. Have you ever heard about J Costa? I am spanish and in my country the extreme variador, and clutch etc is j costa. I think it make diferents
I have heard about their variators quite a bit, but never tried their products on anything.
@@49ccscoot there 2 types nowdays. The pro version and the XRP [ extreme racing performance] version, the xrp bring some changes in the air holes for the bullets [ they are transversal variator], a new and shortter belt [ kevlar like malossi ] and a ring that makes work better the xrp. The pro version is only for 2008 until 2017.
The felling is quite different from malossi, very smooth felling but very close to 0-100kmtr/hour to malossi, the test i have seen are almost the same in test bank. The diferent is between 100-140 kmtr/hour...there the jcosta is much better getting a better torque and reaction in that speed.
Price from official size
Pro 300€
Xrp 479€ inclu belt and two weight of bullets.
Hey. A question about mvt dd for minarelli horizontal...it seems there are 2 types (for aerox before 2003 and after 2004)...it says "For Minarelli engines before 2003 without wire harness and battery, not suitable for MBK / Yamaha after 2003 (with battery)."My question is does it really matter because on stock ignition same coil is used for lights and for battery charging(through a rectifier)?.Its basicly the same stator that you got for the TPR engine.
Hi, first of all congratulations for the video, I didn't know you and I found the video by pure chance. I saw a really competent person and the various tests carried out for every small change, really good. I would therefore like to ask you a question if possible, I have a 2021 tmax 560 which is all original apart from the Akrapovic exhaust, what do you recommend doing as modifications? A thousand thanks
Variator! Some say the o2 emulators work well with exhausts. I've only tried the tuner as shown.
Hey Brent. Great video (as always)... Now I kinda want a T-Max... This video has convinced me to change out the NCY variatior on my Rough House 50 to a Multivar... Does Scooter tuning CA have a way to let them know "Brent sent me"??? What are you working on this winter? Looking forward to your next video.
Hey. You could write that 49ccScoot sent you in the notes on a web order or tell them if it's a phone order. Thanks for thinking of that.
Not sure what I'm getting into this winter. I need to finish the garage makeover. Not looking forward to that. Prob work on the SSR. Would be nice to get that going someday.
Sounds to me like a huge amount of work and cash whilst effectively losing any guarantee that may have existed on the bike whilst missing out on just riding , and a second or so on the standing 1/4 mile sounds important if you were racing but is of little or no consequence on the road..Buying a mint condition Gilera GP800 with 74 (ISH) HP V-twin would have made a way way bigger difference cos when it comes to performance..Bigger is better, however the best thing about this video is how well it illustrates just what a " rabbit-hole" of expense and complexity you go down chasing tiny performance gains which might be significant on the track, but almost irrelevant on the road..what I was impressed with was your logic and measured approach to the search for speed and performance, and a well delivered commentary and a compelling argument to leave the bike in relatively standard trim given the bikes power to weight ratio being the biggest hurdle and it's longevity being potentially compromised..it also highlighted the greatest proverb..." Every solution breeds new problems" but hats off for a really well made video indeed!
Thanks.
For me, it actually transformed the scoot to something that I enjoy so much more than ever. Well worth the effort/expense for the variator. Exhaust is more or less just fun and not really worth it otherwise. I'm way more confident merging into traffic and those sorts of things.
I would consider a big Gilera. I'd love to have one. Not so easy in the US. People don't like scooters here that much so big scoots don't sell. To my knowledge, the 800cc and over stuff never sold here. I've never actually seen another TMAX like my year in person and I've seen 1 or maybe 2 of the later ones when they brought them back in 2015 or 2016 before immediately taking them away because no one was buying them.
Missing you and T2...
Hello, i have a Vinci scooter and it has DC..CDI...and when I switch the key on , the spark plug it starts sparking ..without the engine cranking.
If I remove the spark plug..is stars arching on the ignition coil ...if I put contact key in on position.
And if I start cranking the motor doesn't start only backfires few times..
What could be the problem .? Thank you!
I'd start by swapping the CDI out and see if that does it.
@@49ccscoot Thank you , I have already bought a new CDI...I'll see what it does...
Anyways..I forgot to mention that, the battery electric fuse.was also . burned...
do a tuning on derbi or am6
hello brant, great report, tested very well. I have the same components in it and the speed display is short. I don't have this with the old Malossi Vario, does the belt slip or why is that like that? Did you install the original belt or the one from Malossi x Belt Kevlar? Kind regards, Nello
I've just been using the Yamaha belt. When you say the speed display is short, do you mean the way it doesn't show speed till it's already moving pretty fast? That's some sort of issue with the speedometers on these. All of them do it to some degree from what I've seen (at least older models). If it were belt slip, RPM would increase and you wouldn't be accelerating. If you mean it's not going as fast, then maybe you have an issue with roller or slider weight, the belt is worn too thin, there could be slip or some other CVT issue. Observing RPM would help. If you want it to go fast, then RPM needs to be around the powerband.
@@49ccscoot First of all, thank you for your quick answer, sorry for my English. In your video at 12:30 min, the speedometer stops briefly at 20 and 40 or slows down and only from 60 onwards does it rise evenly to 100. This is also the case for me when I mount the Malossi Vario MHT Next with 16 g weights. If I put the old Malossi vario on it with the same weights, it doesn't work. I took different measuring points on the road, the scooter runs the same speed with both Varios, I think if I didn't have the misfires on the speedometer, I would be faster in acceleration with the new Vario from Malossi until I reach the different speed at my measuring points on the street. The speed increases evenly, it doesn't increase briefly as if the belt were spinning. I have the 2011 model, so I think it has a new speedometer.
@@NF-ze2fo I don't think it reflects anything happening with the engine and CVT for most of us. Your case is an odd one. You can see videos of people with all sorts of setups and the speedometer is unresponsive at low speed when accelerating hard. The speedometer is electronic, so I assume it is a form of lag.
@@49ccscoot Yes, it could also be that he reacts later, so the vario mht next appears to accelerate a little faster and the speedometer doesn't keep up. The speedometer measures normally at the ABS sensor on the rear tire, it's a strange phenomenon, thanks for your opinion.
Hey man, the clutch video you posted 4 Monts ago is the correct way ? I did it exact the same as you show in your video from 4 Monts ago?
If it is online now it is correct.
Tell me one thing can you tell me which setup do you use for reading the AfR which wideband and gage you use?
It's an Auto Meter Ultra Lite wideband gauge kit. I've had it for years. Was on my Mustang and then the TaoTao. It's been reliable so I have no real complaints. It reads 10-16:1. If you were after a wider range on the display, then maybe look elsewhere or see if the newer models are different by now.
@@49ccscoot Thank you for answering really enjoy your channel great information on real world tests! Continue like that.
Hi Brent and thank you for your content and approach. When you talk about longer and shorter bosses and changes in the rpms, does this mean the engine will rev higher or lower for a certain speed? Can it also influence the top rpm of the engine? Thanks
Up to a certain point, you may not notice an overall RPM change. You may just see changes on takeoff or top end. When spacing is great enough that it makes it tougher for the belt to shift outward in the front pulley, then RPM will increase.
Thanks a lot. Do you think a smaller boss could lead to a reduction in 1000 rpm? Or in other words, that the scooter is unable to go higher than 7000 rpm? Thanks again for your interest.
@@fmiguelraposo If you're trying to get that effect, then I would suggest using heavier rollers/sliders first. It's possible though.
Hi Brent, thanks again for you help and for sharing your knowledge. Have a nice day. 🙏
nice one! :) Is the Malossi Variator stock angle?.. I found that using other angle then stock after couple of months is not good.. get worse with time. Now im only using Stock angle variators. and just modify the slider ramps and drive pulley so the belt can travel higher..
Never checked. Were you just having belt wear issues from the mismatch?
Wear issue and wear on the pulley also. it was Stock angle on my Honda is 15degree made it to 13.8 degree after couple of months use its 14.3 degree,.. Wont run good. less tourqe. Change to Standard pulley and belt and the bike run great again haha@@49ccscoot
@@pattayakamagra8325 If you had pulleys with angles that you didn't like, it may be possible to machine the faces to a different angle. Depends on the wear and thickness and how much of an angle change. Only makes sense if you have a lathe though. Machining probably costs as much or more than the part.
i have accesses to good machinery shop here in Thailand the guy works with micron .very precise. and good prices we do Big bore Cams lathe milling pistons. @@49ccscoot
Hi, can you do some video about the maintenance of wiring harness of Keeway RY8 150 cc GY6 type A long.
You shouldn't need to do much maintenance of any wiring harness. I like to check them over during a PDI with a new scooter and maybe use some dielectric grease where applicable and silicone to help seal some connections. Be sure it's not going to be pinched anywhere or be near high heat sources. Beyond that, it should be maintenance free.
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Hey i have a question it's my 139QMB Scooter, I bought the 80CC Converted but now I'm delivering the food orders. I have a big bag in the back but I can see the max 40Mph. Any suggestions on my engine that I can do? Currently stock CVT settings available, on my scooter variator weights 5.5GR
And it accelerates very slowly, I can hardly overtake even the vehicles in the city.
@@usmancoban3448 Clutch springs and CVT tuning may help a little. I'd use sliders if buying tuning supplies. If nothing else they last longer, but sometimes offer a little performance benefit. Aftermarket variators may make it accelerate more quickly and possibly go a little faster. A different camshaft could help it pick up a little more power and rev out a little more.
@@49ccscoot Thx man i'm working on it.
boss quick question: my tmax has 14k miles runs good i still didn’t do any maintenance but now i wanna do sum can you tell me what i should be checking and changing as a list please.
Get the service manual. It gives a full list of the recommended 12,000 mile service items. You can find it online.
I have a 2009 Tmax. Put on an Akrapovic exhaust. It sounds slightly louder than stock, weighs 10.5 lbs less (I weighed them) but can’t detect change in performance. Hardly ever pops during deceleration. The previous owner installed lighter sliders so ok performance off the line, 0 to 60 in about 8 seconds. I weigh 182 lbs. Your charts and graphs are a huge help in deciding what to modify next. Is there a way of having the advantage of attaining higher rpm during acceleration and stock design cruise rpm too?
I suspect that you'd do pretty well with 18g weights in the Multivar. Wouldn't accelerate as fast as lighter weights, but it should go quicker than stock and stay closer to standard cruise RPM. Perhaps less shimming of the drive boss if you use a Multivar as well.
@@49ccscoot thank you very much for the advice, Brent.
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What do you know about the aprilia 50cc 2t scarabeo it’s non diatech and was thinking of going 100cc I haven’t found a water cooled setup yet but before I buy I would like your input
I don't know a lot about them, but it should be a Piaggio HiPer-2 engine. Should be plenty of performance parts around for it. Cases are probably harder to come by than typical scoots because of the big wheel.
@@49ccscoot I’ve got 2 now I’m thinking of putting one on a taotao racer due to it already having a 16 inch front tire it’s a heavy scooter at 275 pounds should be a fun project thanks for the info and love the fact that you actually talk to your fans I appreciate all your help ty
@@jeffkrauss5582 Hell yeah! Take that four-stroke out and swap in a two-stroke! 😁
@@jeffkrauss5582 Just realized that's the sport bike styled TaoTao. If you can fit the tire under it properly, that would be a really neat build and truly make it look like a little scaled down sport bike.
Why don’t they give it these mods from factory ? Fuel efficiency? But i mean especially the straight lanes in the torque driver. Sorry for my bad english.
The variator makes it take off quickly, but it also revs a lot more before it gets going. It's not as user friendly for the average user.
On a 500cc i get that but on my 50cc piaggio zip they also don’t give it straight lanes for example. I can hardly imagine that is difficult to control.
@@dutch-nature-history-bydrone Maybe not difficult to control, but it's more tame the way it's setup most likely. It shifts to lower RPM quicker. I can tell you from years on forums that some people dislike anything that seems aggressive to them. People put clutch springs in and then complain that it revs too much before it goes for example... even when they chose to do it. It may also help with fuel economy or engine life and it will likely depend on how the whole system operates together. Some scoots do have straight grooved torque drivers stock.
Ok clear i really appreciate you taking the time to answer me. I started watching your channel when my garage had a waiting list and since then was able to do everything myself by watching your videos. Thanks and keep up the great work.
But why did you put 16g back in with all the mods,when result wih 15g was so good? Thats the only confusing part to me. Other than that it was a great video.
I mentioned it in the video, but the CVT acted different over time. RPM increased. Could be belt wear, possibly removing one shim would work, but going back to 16g gave me better results.
any reviews for velocity stacks for tmax review?
Didn't even know they made them till you said something. I've seen mixed reviews on other bikes. I figure it depends how well they are designed for each application and even in a best case scenario maybe around 2HP on a stock-ish TMAX. Possibly more likely to be in the 0-1HP range if I were guessing.
there's a brand called jet prime selling the stacks for your model.
I'm gonna try a new varistor in my 250cc scoots helix and reflex. The reflex has a "dead spot" between 30 and 50. Any suggestions?
Malossi makes Multivars for both of those. I'd clean and inspect the whole CVT and belt while you're doing it, just in case that "dead spot" is a wear issue or other problem and not just tuning.
@@49ccscoot Thanks for the advice 👍
Your “dead spot” is factory … for fuel economy and noise reduction. A Big Ruckus “face B” will do away with the dead spot. Make sure it’s the “big ruckus 250” face b. The shift you feel is the different length ramps and the 21g and the 31 g rollers expanding at different rpm’s on those ramps. If you take out the 3 21g rollers and just leave in the 3 31g , you will have an instant improvement in acceleration. I put a lot of miles on my reflex when I had it.
@@davezimmerman8627 Thanks, that's certainly worth a try. And a cheap solution if it works. I've heard that before, but now you've confirmed it.
Good evening I would like to know is it worth buying the malossi master 2 case knowing that my 500cc is equipped with an over range pack malossi is a prime jet clutch with malossi clutch discs and also the filters I changed them by malossi filters and also a complete akrapovic line so I'm full I just have the injection box tell me is what we install it He will bring me a gain in acceleration and push even harder thank you
I wouldn't expect a big gain, but I'd think it should pick up a little more power and possibly improve part throttle if you have any issues.
@@49ccscoot So in your opinion it's worth taking it or not?
@@2pac1581 I was glad that I got it. If you aren't having drivability issues or timing runs, then you may not notice anything.
@@49ccscoot ok thank you 🙏
@@49ccscoot So what I understood that I'm going to gain a few seconds not much I'm not even going to feel the deference
Sir how can clean the clutch not replace
Check them to be sure they meet spec. No sense in cleaning worn out stuff. Then you probably just need to remove the glaze with sandpaper or Scotch Brite pads as lightly as you can. Clean with something like brake parts cleaner. Soak in the engine oil overnight before reassembly.
I have heard people only using sandpaper on glass to break the glaze, in order to keep plates true. With only light sanding, I'm not sure that it's really necessary.
If you have grease or something on the friction plates, then brake parts cleaner and if that doesn't work they may need to be soaked in mineral spirits. I've heard of people boiling clutch plates in water.
If in doubt, replace.
my friend quick question.
how many liters i need to put for a new coolant water for the tmax 2009
~1.5L
@@49ccscoot thank u ! sorry to bother u i have one more question can u list me items that can be turned into malossi parts for a tmax 2009 and if u don’t mind amazon doesn’t have any can u tell me where u do order them sir thank u so much we love ur videos down here wish u were closer so we can get to see some of ur art sir !
@@nemsisjl4047 I typically buy form ScooterTuning.ca. ScooterPartsCo carries a lot of Malossi stuff. Both have pages where you can see everything for the TMAX.
thank u boss one more thing the oil gear how many L please ?
@@nemsisjl4047 0.7L
Did I get that right, are you using a GPS-based Dyno on your scooter?
Not quite. It doesn't guess at torque or horsepower. It measures speed and distance as well as g-force to give you acceleration data. It's a dragy that's basically a GPS unit that updates at a higher frequency than the phone does and interacts with an app. I really like it and have tested it vs my old video timing method, and you can find many people testing them vs track timeslips to prove accuracy.
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@@49ccscoot thanks a lot! :-) Think I have to try this myself. :-)
Ciao sono italiano!
In Italia è da circa 1/2 anni che si sente parlare di questi nuovi rulli dr.pull.
Grazie per aver fatto queste prove sono molto utili x me!
Ma mi chiedo come velocità massima quanto hai?
Comunque è chiaro uno scooter non è una moto!
Ma noi il tmax lo usiamo tutti i giorni per andare a lavoro fare la spesa e portare i bambini a scuola!
Poi se vogliamo correre facciamo il turbo
I haven't really tested top speed with all the mods. I know it was about the same with sliders in the stock variator instead of rollers. It's horsepower and aerodynamic limited mostly. I think the top speed is roughly the same now as it was, but whether it goes 95 or 105 top speed is really of no consequence to me and makes little difference in the experience to me. What matters most to me is that acceleration is so much better and I can still cruise fast without issue.
@@49ccscoot si infatti ho visto!
I rulli che hai messo dr.pulley da quanti grammi sono?
@@StellaartAesthetic 16g
Now get a Gilera GP800 lol
I looked for that or an Arpilia SRV 850 in the past. Never sold in the US to my knowledge. Hard to get and source parts for here. The only bigger scoots that I know of here are more touring oriented and don't feel light at low speeds and/or aren't very attractive.
@@49ccscoot Oh, you never got those? That sucks.
@@pubbiehive We barely got the TMAX, and that's the most popular big scoot in the world. They quit selling them here after the 2011 models. I don't think we ever got the generation before those. Then, they brought it back in 2015. Not sure if it was that year or the next, but quit selling them again. I saw some brand new at dealers a few years past their release being offered at lower prices to try to get rid of them. Scoots get no love here.
@@49ccscoot it's pretty crazy considering how much easier it is to get a motorcycle license in the US vs over here in northern europe. we have a harsher, colder climate and get a way shorter riding season as well but we still have way more scooters, although moped size scooters are obviously the most popular, since you don't need a motorcycle license to ride them.
@@pubbiehive The motorcycle issue is the problem with TMAX sales I think. It's a motorcycle by licensing class here, so most want a cruiser, especially Harley, or a sport bike. It's not fast for a 500 and that doesn't help. Then there's the fact that it is a scooter, which is like saying a dirty word to your biker buddies. You have to be cool enough to realize that cool is not following what everyone else likes to be a scooter enthusiast here.
There are small scoots in larger towns. I may see a big scoot or mid-sized here or there, but it's pretty few and far between for me. I've never seen another person on a TMAX 500 in real life. I have seen 1 or 2 TMAX 530s... or probably the same one a couple of times.
What's up with the speedometer being laggy during hard acceleration from a stop?
I'm not sure why it does it, but all of the TMAX vids that I've seen (at least roughly similar models) do the same thing. It's just too fast. lol
The tmax is shocked lol
@@49ccscoot i have the same tmax bud to fast😂 sorry bud a tmax is not really fast. For me the tmax is comfort bud very slow. Take a old honda sh 300 and it wins from the tmax. I also hat a majesty 400 that feels faster than the tmax. I think a normal variator and koppeling like other scooters is better and lose less power.
Also the tmax uses alot off gasoline.
Bud i am very happy with the comfort, it rides great.
@@florisnr11 if an old honda sh 300 and a majesty 400 was better than your tmax, then...maybe your tmax have a problem. you cant match those 3 on acceleration or whatever.
@@rogereanu you dont understand ,a honda sh 300 is always faster then any yamaha tmax.
Правда я ничего не понимаю по-английски😂😂😂😂
Wanna sell it? Lol🤣
I'll give you the friends and family discount and only ask twice what it's worth. 😁
Hmmm........loud pipes in Europe close roads for bikers...........to loud angers the inhabitants of the villages.
You should hear some of the Harleys around here.
18:40 oh poor you, you had to wear earplugs? What about everyone else? So selfish.
LOL It's not that loud. Trust me. I have Harleys and trucks with straight pipes or glasspacks that go by my house all day that would drown this out easily. I think because it aims up and it's not all the way out the back, it sounds loud on the scoot. Most bikes have low exhausts that extend all the way to the rear of the bike and aim back or are low and aim back/out. Plus, other people aren't exposed to the sound for hours. It's not an issue on a 15 minute ride. Besides, many people wear ear plugs just for wind noise.
Noone else is subject to the noise for the same duration or intensity as the rider though 😢
Bullshit excuses
@@sidney9534 Could be worse. Could be some silent electric two-wheeler that's much more likely to injure pedestrians or cyclists according to NHTSA and other studies.
@49ccscoot
when new videos come out
I can't give you an exact date, but I'll get back to it soon. I was working on the garage over the winter.
Hello Brent do you have a email i can write you at?
I don't post it directly here, but it's on my site.