1:09 I like to call this trope a “lead baring flashback”, Meaning a flash back that is the excuse for the characters bad behavior and they are so devoid of any real personality that if it weren’t for that flashback, they might as well have none at all.
Theres even a new manga that broke a certain record of shonen jump. But its complete trash, a world where magic exists but only women can use it, they get magic via monsters. One day, the strongest witch is fighting one of those monsters but cant kill it because SHE IS A WOMAN, then the main character shows up, and since hes a guy, he kills the monster and gets the most op powers in the world. Then he becomes a tanjiro clone. The worst kind of modern mc's
I'm almost afraid my OC falls into "gore for the sake of gore". He's an immortal knight that has to save his princess from an immortal monster, no matter what it takes. The knight can turn back time when he's killed and the monster can regenerate on the spot. Throughout the story you see the monster kill the knight so many times to the point the knight starts developing PTSD but continues to push through to save his princess.
I wouldn't worry given the premise of your idea, the gore makes sense for the world-building you are making! Remember this list is not definitive and that some of these tropes can work if done correctly, but most of all enjoy the experience of writing :)
@@JScomicsLTDNo he is a great character. He knows all of the stuff he said was bullshit but when the girls went an made a full power undercover team to fight made up enemies he was totally screwed. He just was like fuck guess I'll live out my dark hero fantasy. He is consistent in not killing innocent people and only going after the corruption of the world as well as those who cross him. The whole reason I like him is his over the top acting because the worst thing a gray stu can be is boring. That's why I got bored of overlord azin lost the things that made him interesting.
For me it’s them not earning their power. That and Stealth harem. Anime/Manga that are labeled as one genre but are actually a harem anime in disguise. Example Shield Hero.
I'm not sure if you intended these tropes to be about certain genres or demographics, but; 1:34 I find it very annoying that most Villainesses are just 'misunderstood'. They can't be villainesses if they didn't do something serious enough to get branded that way. There are very few villainess stories that I've read where the branding makes sense. I wish the villainesses were more drastic, & plot was in line with such a character.
My villain OC is a combo of both evil and silly. Her main goal is to make the world more pure and free of evil, even if she had to fight anyone to do so. And as lives on, she gets closer and closer to her goal.
The funny thing about the first one is that I have an oc who's most interesting aspect is his tragic backstory because he has severe depression and rarely does anything and his friends have to force him to do basic health things like eating and sleeping, so I'd say that's a good example of the first one being done well
My oc is that, he's good at everthing he tries, but to balance it he's mostly good at the basics. Being able to be good at anything also tolls his time to improve, and won't be reaching his full potential any time, unlike my other characters who only utilize a few skills but in a mastered level.
The characters I plan on making are actually a play on some of this :3 Le Plot armor Da Edgy 1/realist Le optimist Monkey man king The one who knows all about it The strongest spider-man rip off This one exist
The last part will be probably the most important one for be, because of the sheer amount of villains i actually want my story to have, and I have only though for now about the motivations of the three main ones, so I will have to fix all of it soon.
the difference between my GOAT cid and that fraud femboy rimuru, is that he's funny and cool at times. Rimuru is a bum and poor written character. Goku stronger + better.
yeah i think some are justifiable if the actual concept does fit. i do have several ocs that partially fit (?). witht the sole exception of them not being the average tropes seen. i do have like two characters that are too strong for the main concept and doesnt fit well but they look cool so i just let them be
Mary sues in my opinion can be perfect with skills and talent but they need to have some sort of flaw Also I’m thinking of an oc series and one dude is loosely based off me, granted I made him when I was like 6 or 7. He does fall in love with another character but it takes a while and is not the main focus of the characters or the story. He is also an alien who doesn’t look like me. So I don’t know if this falls into the self insert category or just a character category
Characters who can do a lot (or even everything) arent necessarily bad. Its just, a lot of them seem like prodigies. I got an oc who can do a lot of things but there are two caveats: First - hes like over 1000 years old and spent years getting good at those things (although his magic ability literally is copying so it makes it easier to learn stuff) Second - after not doing some things for years he kinda got rusty. Like he used to be able to play cello but the last time he did it was maybe 50 years ago so if he picks up one now he might just not be able to do it Shonen anime tend to get it right too. Usually the characters dont start out as super strong. Take Ichigo, Goku, Naruto, Deku... all of them arent that strong at first and get stronger as the story progresses. Of course sometimes they have like very unique and special powers nobody else has that they unlock later on, but the point is that its not like immediately there. Meanwhile in isekais its like even if they arent immediately strong, they dont take long to become strong or its like rimuru from the slime anime where he may be a weak slime but he has one if the strongest powers away right from the start I also think the all powerful mary sues are very fitting for comedy stories. Thinking of Mashle, Mob Psycho and Saiki K. Actually like idk if they would really be mary sues because their personalities are more fleshed out and flawed than your average mary sue, but in regards to power level - yeah mashle can basically punch away any enemy, but considering the tone of the manga its very much what youd expect and quite funny to see him punch super powerful mages like theyre nothing
A few years back some friends and I made our own Attack On Titan ocs. I watched this video scared that my character might suffer frome these but glad to see that he dosen't. He is a killing powerhouse but that's purely because aot is brutal already and he's a soldier that has to kill to survive and protect. It does take a heavy toll on his mental health like real war does to real soldiers. The edgy issues and the backstory as an excuse actually lines up more with my friend's oc who is a jerk to everyone, super edgy, and kills out of enjoyment. Interesting that he always criticized my oc but his is more of an edgy mary sue
I will forever despise the COTE anime for how much it has bastardised how people first interpret ayanokoji as a character. Dude has a lot more facets to his personality in the novels than just being the 'evil mary sue oc', especially if you've read COTE volume 0. Like I don't blame y'all for using him as an example with how he's portrayed in the anime but the lack of research is kinda...cringe ngl lmao.
What about the *Micromanager Oc?* they're so annoying_ eg; The Strongest Mage With The Weakest Crest the best character in that show was the Dragon Girl!
Can't figure out whats wrong with literally top 1 trop. Some people are just bad, they have a reason to become bad, but its not justification and for some separate evil action they don't need to have reasoning more complex than "cose i wana". If you are not planning redemption arc unjustified evil acts of vilan are ok and redemption arcs or more often fake "redemption" arcs that doesn't feel like it are a bit overused in modern media
It concerns the laziness of the 'evil' acts. Murder is enough to consider a character evil; adding on themes of SA just for the sake of 'they are evil' is distasteful, especially if it never comes up again.
@@JScomicsLTD ...why? Evil character doing multiple evil things. Murder is most common one that doesn't makes audience really hate character unless done in most gross way possible, we can add torture, slavery, underage soldiers and so on on this list and so on, why specifically not sa?
@@markfreenick To add elements that go nowhere is, in my opinion, a sign of poor writing. I am not saying to never use such elements, I am saying that if you are going to include them at least go further and explore the effects these actions have. As I mentioned in the video, Evil for the sake of evil, this is what I meant.
@@JScomicsLTD So what if I want my villain to be OC, there's no reasoning behind it other than: She's simply curious about how that person would react or others around her Why?: Because she's someone who on Earth was already pretty fucked up and anti-social I don't wanna go into a deep dive(But it'd explain why she does what she does) But basically in her new life she basically has begun to view people more and more as playthings/toys she has an obsession/fascination with ESPECIALLY human nature
@Zoalich You already have an incredibly interesting premise going on here! I would go into a path that questions what it is to be human, using her alienation and emotional detachment to contrast with our ideals of humanity.
Are the clips you show mc that fit those bad tropes because i 100% disagree with to your eternity Yes has past is sad but he keeps trying to save everyone. I mean just finishing season 2 who make him not apply for the trope
As mentioned I have used clips that just went with the video rather than my personal opinion on the character - you are totally correct with eternity, it is one hell of a great anime!
- Tragic (To Your Eternity) No - Not Really Evil (7 Deadly Sins) No (Meliodas WAS evil in his past tho) - Mary Sue (The Greatest Demon Lord is Reborn as A Typical Nobody) Yes (You think the "can they beat Goku" was annoying?) - Edgy Mary Sue (Classroom Of The Elite) Yes (Ayanokoji [ is the inverse of Deviant route Connor / is the Machine route Connor ] from Detroit Become Human) - Wet Blanket (Princess Connect! RE: Drive) Not sure (but knowing every series that have more fem cast and few male cast, He might be) - Boring (Komi-San) Not really (Tadano is pretty likable) - Shipping (My Hero Academia) Video explained itself (NO!) - Neon (Space Dandy) No - Gore for the sake of Gore (Another) Absolutely - Unjustifiably Evil (Berserk) Incoming Griffith exposition { - Dude pulled a "consensually" forced intercourse [ idk how that work ] on someone royal daughter to forget Guts, the MC, which backfired cause he still remember him after deed. - Got caught, tortured, saved by the same person he trying to forget, made an failed strangulation attempt on Guts for letting him suffer which was his own fault btw, got a hate boner - you know the rest } Edit: Yes, Rimuru and Cid are Mary Sue (Cid are the Edgy one)
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I like to call this trope a “lead baring flashback”,
Meaning a flash back that is the excuse for the characters bad behavior and they are so devoid of any real personality that if it weren’t for that flashback, they might as well have none at all.
Can't start your OC Journey without making at least one of these. I would know.
Oh. Apparently I highly underestimated how bad certain tropes can get…
@boredAster I swear they get worse everytime!
Theres even a new manga that broke a certain record of shonen jump. But its complete trash, a world where magic exists but only women can use it, they get magic via monsters. One day, the strongest witch is fighting one of those monsters but cant kill it because SHE IS A WOMAN, then the main character shows up, and since hes a guy, he kills the monster and gets the most op powers in the world. Then he becomes a tanjiro clone. The worst kind of modern mc's
The fact that Mha is put as the clip for the Ship oc topic is so accurate
Totally not on purpose at all ;)
My oc suffers from severe crippling depression, i think i did a pretty good job not making him fit any of the themes here
Oh where can I see
I'm almost afraid my OC falls into "gore for the sake of gore".
He's an immortal knight that has to save his princess from an immortal monster, no matter what it takes. The knight can turn back time when he's killed and the monster can regenerate on the spot. Throughout the story you see the monster kill the knight so many times to the point the knight starts developing PTSD but continues to push through to save his princess.
I wouldn't worry given the premise of your idea, the gore makes sense for the world-building you are making!
Remember this list is not definitive and that some of these tropes can work if done correctly, but most of all enjoy the experience of writing :)
Sounds like Homura Akemi type. Don't worry, it would still be a good story. I think.
@@АнтонСкориков-с2о I'm not familiar with what that is
as long as you don't go overboard like Re: zero I think you're alright
Sounds interesting could go well with psychological things
After watching this vid I thought that a good half of listed tropes can be applied to Sid from Emerence in shadow and this is hilarious!
He is a good example of a bad character done well!
@@JScomicsLTDNo he is a great character. He knows all of the stuff he said was bullshit but when the girls went an made a full power undercover team to fight made up enemies he was totally screwed. He just was like fuck guess I'll live out my dark hero fantasy. He is consistent in not killing innocent people and only going after the corruption of the world as well as those who cross him. The whole reason I like him is his over the top acting because the worst thing a gray stu can be is boring. That's why I got bored of overlord azin lost the things that made him interesting.
For me it’s them not earning their power.
That and Stealth harem. Anime/Manga that are labeled as one genre but are actually a harem anime in disguise. Example Shield Hero.
I enjoyed the first season of Shield Hero but when they just kept adding more and more to his harem in season 2, I had to drop it.
@@JScomicsLTD The anime is trash the manga is better. They just kept adding more and more too it.
I'm not sure if you intended these tropes to be about certain genres or demographics, but;
1:34 I find it very annoying that most Villainesses are just 'misunderstood'. They can't be villainesses if they didn't do something serious enough to get branded that way. There are very few villainess stories that I've read where the branding makes sense. I wish the villainesses were more drastic, & plot was in line with such a character.
@@kalindhiseneviratne8247 I totally agree! Although the occasional misunderstood villainess can be fun, we need more where the title makes sense!
1:05 oh shid I'm surprised with myself that i didn't made my OC like that
My villain OC is a combo of both evil and silly. Her main goal is to make the world more pure and free of evil, even if she had to fight anyone to do so. And as lives on, she gets closer and closer to her goal.
I am honestly trying to write a well-written villain without it being extra or overrated. Kind of like how Aizen is well written by Kubo
@@dannavalentin46 It sounds like you know what you want which is great!
@@JScomicsLTD I’ll keep observing more goated villains to get inspiration and see what makes them so great. And thank you!
The funny thing about the first one is that I have an oc who's most interesting aspect is his tragic backstory because he has severe depression and rarely does anything and his friends have to force him to do basic health things like eating and sleeping, so I'd say that's a good example of the first one being done well
Yeah, trauma definitely can and will affect people (even if its different between individuals).
U guys deserve more subs, this is a good video
Thank you so much! :)
My oc is that, he's good at everthing he tries, but to balance it he's mostly good at the basics.
Being able to be good at anything also tolls his time to improve, and won't be reaching his full potential any time, unlike my other characters who only utilize a few skills but in a mastered level.
Basically the lesson in my story is 𝘵𝘰 𝘣𝘦 𝘦𝘧𝘧𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘦𝘯𝘵.
The characters I plan on making are actually a play on some of this :3
Le Plot armor
Da Edgy 1/realist
Le optimist
Monkey man king
The one who knows all about it
The strongest spider-man rip off
This one exist
The last part will be probably the most important one for be, because of the sheer amount of villains i actually want my story to have, and I have only though for now about the motivations of the three main ones, so I will have to fix all of it soon.
@@isaquenoobkk It is hard work but you'll get there! Good luck!
Classroom of the elite is still absolute peak though
Oh absolutely! Just because the protagonist is edgy doesn't mean it is terrible, edgy is needed sometimes :)
the difference between my GOAT cid and that fraud femboy rimuru, is that he's funny and cool at times. Rimuru is a bum and poor written character. Goku stronger + better.
yeah i think some are justifiable if the actual concept does fit. i do have several ocs that partially fit (?). witht the sole exception of them not being the average tropes seen. i do have like two characters that are too strong for the main concept and doesnt fit well but they look cool so i just let them be
@@Agingglazer There isn't anything wrong with having an OC that fits these tropes, so long as they are written well :)
This is a good video
Mary sues in my opinion can be perfect with skills and talent but they need to have some sort of flaw
Also I’m thinking of an oc series and one dude is loosely based off me, granted I made him when I was like 6 or 7. He does fall in love with another character but it takes a while and is not the main focus of the characters or the story. He is also an alien who doesn’t look like me.
So I don’t know if this falls into the self insert category or just a character category
Characters who can do a lot (or even everything) arent necessarily bad. Its just, a lot of them seem like prodigies. I got an oc who can do a lot of things but there are two caveats:
First - hes like over 1000 years old and spent years getting good at those things (although his magic ability literally is copying so it makes it easier to learn stuff)
Second - after not doing some things for years he kinda got rusty. Like he used to be able to play cello but the last time he did it was maybe 50 years ago so if he picks up one now he might just not be able to do it
Shonen anime tend to get it right too. Usually the characters dont start out as super strong. Take Ichigo, Goku, Naruto, Deku... all of them arent that strong at first and get stronger as the story progresses. Of course sometimes they have like very unique and special powers nobody else has that they unlock later on, but the point is that its not like immediately there. Meanwhile in isekais its like even if they arent immediately strong, they dont take long to become strong or its like rimuru from the slime anime where he may be a weak slime but he has one if the strongest powers away right from the start
I also think the all powerful mary sues are very fitting for comedy stories. Thinking of Mashle, Mob Psycho and Saiki K. Actually like idk if they would really be mary sues because their personalities are more fleshed out and flawed than your average mary sue, but in regards to power level - yeah mashle can basically punch away any enemy, but considering the tone of the manga its very much what youd expect and quite funny to see him punch super powerful mages like theyre nothing
A few years back some friends and I made our own Attack On Titan ocs. I watched this video scared that my character might suffer frome these but glad to see that he dosen't. He is a killing powerhouse but that's purely because aot is brutal already and he's a soldier that has to kill to survive and protect. It does take a heavy toll on his mental health like real war does to real soldiers. The edgy issues and the backstory as an excuse actually lines up more with my friend's oc who is a jerk to everyone, super edgy, and kills out of enjoyment. Interesting that he always criticized my oc but his is more of an edgy mary sue
While i might disagree with the order., you defend your choices well.
I will forever despise the COTE anime for how much it has bastardised how people first interpret ayanokoji as a character.
Dude has a lot more facets to his personality in the novels than just being the 'evil mary sue oc', especially if you've read COTE volume 0.
Like I don't blame y'all for using him as an example with how he's portrayed in the anime but the lack of research is kinda...cringe ngl lmao.
What about the *Micromanager Oc?* they're so annoying_ eg; The Strongest Mage With The Weakest Crest the best character in that show was the Dragon Girl!
You forgot the ocs that are strong just because
Can't figure out whats wrong with literally top 1 trop. Some people are just bad, they have a reason to become bad, but its not justification and for some separate evil action they don't need to have reasoning more complex than "cose i wana". If you are not planning redemption arc unjustified evil acts of vilan are ok and redemption arcs or more often fake "redemption" arcs that doesn't feel like it are a bit overused in modern media
It concerns the laziness of the 'evil' acts. Murder is enough to consider a character evil; adding on themes of SA just for the sake of 'they are evil' is distasteful, especially if it never comes up again.
@@JScomicsLTD ...why? Evil character doing multiple evil things. Murder is most common one that doesn't makes audience really hate character unless done in most gross way possible, we can add torture, slavery, underage soldiers and so on on this list and so on, why specifically not sa?
@@markfreenick To add elements that go nowhere is, in my opinion, a sign of poor writing. I am not saying to never use such elements, I am saying that if you are going to include them at least go further and explore the effects these actions have.
As I mentioned in the video, Evil for the sake of evil, this is what I meant.
@@JScomicsLTD So what if I want my villain to be OC, there's no reasoning behind it other than: She's simply curious about how that person would react or others around her
Why?: Because she's someone who on Earth was already pretty fucked up and anti-social I don't wanna go into a deep dive(But it'd explain why she does what she does)
But basically in her new life she basically has begun to view people more and more as playthings/toys she has an obsession/fascination with ESPECIALLY human nature
@Zoalich You already have an incredibly interesting premise going on here! I would go into a path that questions what it is to be human, using her alienation and emotional detachment to contrast with our ideals of humanity.
Are the clips you show mc that fit those bad tropes because i 100% disagree with to your eternity
Yes has past is sad but he keeps trying to save everyone. I mean just finishing season 2 who make him not apply for the trope
As mentioned I have used clips that just went with the video rather than my personal opinion on the character - you are totally correct with eternity, it is one hell of a great anime!
- Tragic (To Your Eternity)
No
- Not Really Evil (7 Deadly Sins)
No (Meliodas WAS evil in his past tho)
- Mary Sue (The Greatest Demon Lord is Reborn as A Typical Nobody)
Yes (You think the "can they beat Goku" was annoying?)
- Edgy Mary Sue (Classroom Of The Elite)
Yes (Ayanokoji [ is the inverse of Deviant route Connor / is the Machine route Connor ] from Detroit Become Human)
- Wet Blanket (Princess Connect! RE: Drive)
Not sure (but knowing every series that have more fem cast and few male cast, He might be)
- Boring (Komi-San)
Not really (Tadano is pretty likable)
- Shipping (My Hero Academia)
Video explained itself (NO!)
- Neon (Space Dandy)
No
- Gore for the sake of Gore (Another)
Absolutely
- Unjustifiably Evil (Berserk)
Incoming Griffith exposition
{
- Dude pulled a "consensually" forced intercourse [ idk how that work ] on someone royal daughter to forget Guts, the MC, which backfired cause he still remember him after deed.
- Got caught, tortured, saved by the same person he trying to forget, made an failed strangulation attempt on Guts for letting him suffer which was his own fault btw, got a hate boner
- you know the rest
}
Edit: Yes, Rimuru and Cid are Mary Sue
(Cid are the Edgy one)