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Video on the football war?
Early
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An interesting footnote from history. After the conference in Tehran in 1943, it was decided that the Allies would start delivering aid to the Yugoslav partisans and that aid to the Yugoslav monarchists would be stopped. When, after the conference, one of the British members of the delegation told Churchill that he had sold Yugoslavia to the communists, Churchill asked him: "will you live in Yugoslavia after the war?" The delegate replied that he wouldn't, to which Churchill added: "I won't either, so why bother?"
Churchill was the diet version of Hitler
another reason why churchill wasnt as nice as people remember him...
@@mariosvourliotakis778 He was a despicable war mongering racist. He was lucky Hitler and Stalin were on the world stage at the same time as him, otherwise we would be discussing the Churchillian genocides in WW2
@@mariosvourliotakis778 I totally agree. To me he was a cynic who didn't care how many innocent civilians died in occupied countries as long as it served British interests. The best example of this is perhaps the Bengal famine to which he definitely contributed the most from the British side.
@@herzog1857 He still got through the Second World War though, no matter how brash or harsh he was, he still got a ton of crap done and how I see it, saved Britain.
“He attempted to take British somaliland which went pretty well. He then attempted to take Egypt which went less well. Then he attempted to take Greece which went really badly. Churchill began to describe Italy as Europe’s soft underbelly.”
That's a reference to a oversimplification channel
oversimplified moment
dude... VERY COOL
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@@legolas-xu6ou apply cold water to burn
Im a Greek and this stuff isnt even taught in school, even though it affected the rest of our history in the 20th century... Thank you very much for your efforts!
@@johnmcdonald9295 So is you’re economy 😎
@@johnmcdonald9295
Ok
We did ww2 and civil war in great detail, much more detail than this video, what kind of school did you go to?
@@johnmcdonald9295 ur not Greek so go away troll
@@nermainmerl6108 Well, these things are later on in the curriculum, and the teachers, being very far behind didnt have time to cover them, thats why. Greek Public schools arent the greatest...
The Truman Doctrine was part of a speech written to garner American support for fighting communist forces in Greece. There was worry that there would be minimal support for fighting in Greece, hence why the speech was so strong, but inevitably it worked a lot better than anyone had expected.
Griffin's pronunciation of Greek names is just legendary
He does a fairly good job...go listen the kings and generals channel butchering Greek names...
@@dimitrisoikonomou3568 bri'ish people be like: 🤪🤪🤪🤡🤡
@@kingofohio5689 Oi, stop that, or I'll steal the rest of the Parthenon.
@@randombrit4504 only if you know how to properly pronounce foreign names and words
@@kingofohio5689 ...Is this an American talking? Ironic.
I wonder how many Americans could even point out Greece on a map...
I loved the fact that you spelled KKE in Greek. Actually a nice little detail good job once again!
Of course they spelled it correctly KKE, the English using the Greek alphabet which the Latin is based also. What is to be excited about it? Many Western languages are based in Greek and using thousands of Greek words in their vocabulary.
I’m Greek and I have to say I’m impressed by the accuracy of the video. Congratulations for your content, keep it that way guys! Thank you Armchair Historian team!
He didnt talk about the Greek army which went to North Africa and was mainly there where it was fighting the axis powers.
The Greek civil war is still an incredibly taboo topic in modern Greek society. So much unnecessary death, atrocities and war crimes committed by both sides. Neither left nor right wingers really want to talk about it, but the unmended scar it has left to the Greek people till this day is undeniable.
Most Greeks today have or might have had a relative or family friend(s) that will have horror stories to tell because of this war.
Human nature never changes
@@totallyormalpinoyguy1998 War. War never changes.
Δεν ήταν εμφυλιος, εάν είσαι κομουνιστής δεν είσαι Έλληνας
Nah commies aint no humans.
War changes, just not your kind of change, if it never changed your military would still be shooting flintlocks and firing cannon shells at the attackers.
Whenever someone tried getting a review from Sir Christopher Lee about his service in the war, he had a clever way of dealing with it.
Sir Christopher Lee: "Can you keep a secret?"
Journalist: "Yes! Yes I can!"
Sir Christopher Lee: "And so can I."
And then he would politely excuse himself.
That's a fuckin' power move
@@enternamehere4124 That is Sir Christopher Lee
I'm going to use that :D
Great video as usual. I'm surprised there was no mention of the Churchill-Stalin agreement which gave Britain 90% influence in Greece after the war
Is this not what led up to that event? If I'm incorrect so be it I'm willing to learn.
Thanks, I wanted to ask the same thing.
The heavy bombardment of piraeus by the allies and the heavy casualties that got downplayed to a mere 300 dead when it was thousands wasnt mentioned either,which is one of the events that caused friction between the greek and allied forces.
Fun fact: to this day at piraeus people doing renovations are still digging out american bombs and dead.
The western history books totally ignore the fact that they had made a treaty with Stalin, giving the Soviets total control over what became the Eastern Block nations in exchange for the US controlling the rest of Europe including Greece. They prefer to insinuate that the Russians grabbed all these nations. After repeatedly exalting the Soviet Union as a great nation and a great ally, near the end of the war the US and Britain were already planning a war against Russia. In fact after the war ended, the west started sending numerous sabotage missions into the Soviet Union, called operation nightingale. They also recruited many ex NAZI intelligence officers who were on the Eastern front into US intelligence, fast tracking their immigration to the US, called operation paper clip.
Uncle Joe respected the percentages agreement he had signed with Churchill in the Moscow conference in October of 1944. When in February 1948 a committee of Greek communists met with Stalin in order to ask for help for their cause, Uncle Joe replied with the infamous "свернуть!" (svernut'!), i.e. "roll it up! (end it!).
It wasn't Stalin who backed the Communists in the Greek Civil War but the Yugoslavs (Tito) and the Albanians (Hoxha). They seeked a secession of Greek Macedonia & Thrace, a merging with the newly created "Macedonian Socialist Republic" in Yugoslavia and the creation of an independent Peoples' Republic of Balkans according to the Yugoslav or Albanian pattern, per the decisions of the 5th national committee of the Communsit Party of Greece. This led to the voting and implementing of Emergency Law 509/1947 by the Greek government that considered those who aspired or enforced the secession of Greek Macedonia & Thrace, as perpetrators of a "High Treason"
This is a very western/British narrative of what happened. ELAS (with the help of the British) was the predominant force that defeated the Nazis. They had rounded up the traitors/Nazi sympathisers as part of liberating Greece. However, Churchill, for reasons you cite, plunged the country into civil war when he freed the Nazi sympathisers and put them in charge of the country. 5 bloody years of civil war ensued, resulting in at least as many casualties (most from starvation) as WWII itself. The seeds of the problems that Greece still has to this day, can be traced back to Churchill’s decision.
Yes
One small thing that perhaps was worth talking about: You don't mention the Percentages Agreement between Churchill and Stalin. This dictated the amount of geopolitical influence the Soviets and the British had over Greece in the post-war period, which defined Greece as chiefly British in influence. That lead to Greek communist pleas to Moscow falling on deaf ears. That contributed to a divide in the KKE, whether to be Titoist or Stalinist, which was important to understand their aims and how that inhibited the movement
Great video as always
True, it was Tito and NOT Stalin that aided the communists here due to that agreement.
Ah and I was wondering, why Stalin was not mentioned even once in the video, thinking that somehow the USSR must have helped them.
That probably also furthered Tensions between Tito and Stalin themselves with Tito going against the orders of Stalin in that case.
The Greeks were lucky, that the Soviets didn't decide to intervene in it, if they would've, it maybe could've blown into a full scale civil war, taking Tens if not Hundreds of Thousands of Casualties, when both Cold War Blocs would've thrown their weight in.
@@MagiconIce That's so true also if the Soviets had got involved Greece would most likely turned Communist as Stalin is more superior than Tito
@@MagiconIce Or, it might have stopped it in its tracks. Had they wanted to the Soviets could have pushed the Brits back to Egypt.
@@havocgr1976 actually no new documents that came to light show that stalin supplied german ww2 weapons to the communist and socialist groups through neighbouring countries so as to not be critisised for supporting the KKE
Gongratulation. It was really good portrayal of the situation in Greece at the time, given that the video was 19min long. In comparison to other history channels your portrayal was the best. And the music background that you chose was quite good also. Cheers!
My grandfather told me of his pass through the mountains of Greece upon his return from the North Africa campaign via Cyprus.
He mentioned ELAS, though did not speak much of what actually happened there. In my experience with him, this means that whatever did go down was not good.
Exactly Greek army moven and fought in Northern africa.
Greek civil war was very bad deadlier than the world war 2.
Excellent work and very close to being objective. Keep digging in Greek history. It' s very well documented and full of moral precept.
The music score was amazing and the whole clip was very atmospheric.
Congratz!!!
A great and informational video as always!
My grandmother was born in 1944. She was the youngest of five children. The village where she was born was located in communist controlled territory, so the EAM/ELAS forces would regularly interrogate locals in case of any anti-communist activity. Her father decided it was best to stay neutral and simply co-operate with the communists. Then some guy in the village who had some dispute with him framed him for anti-communist activity. The whole family (my grandmother being just a few months old) was transported to a prison camp set up by the EAM/ELAS for anyone accused of opposing them. There, they rounded up all the men and executed them. My great-grandfather was beheaded with an axe and his body was thrown into a well. Soon, the prisoners were liberated and they returned to their homes. My grandmother grew up without a father, something which still deeply affects her to this day. Because of that, she simply dismisses anything remotely left-wing because of all the trauma caused by EAM/ELAS. The Greek Civil War is one of the darkest pages in Greek history, and you can still see how it has divided us.
And a Greek commie will still defend the ΔΣΕ/EAM monsters...
*the glories of Communism*
and all these commies sympathizers just wanna twist the real facts
Terrible. How many have suffered similarly in areas in government hands... Power makes men inhuman.
My mother supported the left, but she also saw the communist crimes infront of her eyes.
My family were living in Plaka near the historic house of Kostis Palamas the poet. The red cross was bringing them food and all the neighbours were giving some of their own food for Kostis Palamas who was ill (n.b. died in 1943). There was a particularly nice young police officer of the red cross who was helping the people survive the famine and he was very popular. Then after the war my mother went out one day for milk. It was outside the "Cine Paris" - known to all who have visited Athens and Plaka. There a communist patrol managed to make their way down from the rearside of the Akropolis hill and arrested the nice young policeman and executed him on the spot.
Many years later I saw that man's name engraved in a marble plaque in Plaka police station.
Being Greek I have to say that this documentary was excellent! This topic is still very controversial in Greece and eventhough many documentaries have been created it is still difficult to find a historically accurate description of the events. Nonetheless, your video was brilliant! Explaining histroical facts and events in an objective way and helping understant the essence of the conflict! Thank you very much!
PS. I loved the accurate greek flags and newspappers covers in the video!
His video wasn't bad but not "excellent' as you claim. He left out a huge detaill.. the fake "Macedonians". Back then the US and UK used to claim no such ethnic group exists. Today they pretend those events didn't happen and engage in ethnic engineering like the Comintern. This video is just one more example of this evasion.
I would like for Griffin to maybe dive into the Cold War in Latin America, like Nicaragua with the Sandinistas or Colombia with its Cartels and Socialist organizations, Maybe even the Shining Path organization from Peru (Great video btw)
FARC is a cartel
I support this fully
Thats a very sad story...
Ah yes finally. Never expected you'd do this video. I'm honored.
It would be interesting to see a video about the military junta in Greece.
Takis Lazaridis was an EAM ELAS partizan and member of the KKE party. He was one of the eight people sentenced to die along with Beloyiannis in 1951 but was eventually spared because he was young of age. Lazaridis wrote a very informative book on the events of the Greek Civil War called "Ευτυχώς ηττηθήκαμε σύντροφοι" (Fortunately, we were defeated comrades) which also explains why the Soviet-dependent communist party was defeated (and why this was a good thing)
Great book, have read many quotes from it
Where can I find this book?
takis lazaridis taked money from deep state...
My Grandfather was killed 13 December 1944 and buried in Phaleron War Cemetery. Royal Army Service Corps, aged 33. Thanks for the video.
The father of my grandfather was killed on Grammos mountain from communists (he was soldier on army)
The father and the mother of my other grandfather got executed from communists (they were shepherds)
One brother of my grandmother was fighting for the communists... but the other brother was fighting his brother and he was member of right-wing guerilla group.
One brother of my grandfather (that had his parents executed from communists) fought on the side of communists.
You can understand the mess. Brothers killing each other. Until today the hate is real.
And trust me all these family members didn't have enough education to understand back then for what are they fighting for. They didn't even know how to read. There was no real ideology motives, just manipulation from bigger forces that their side is fighting for the freedom of Greece. Ofc the most educated people knew... or thought they knew for what they fight for but that wasn't the case for most of these poor people.
Excellent comment! The vast majority THINKS it understands the ideology, the motives, the details. In actuality, it does not! To be able to "appreciate" Marx you need to read Eugene von Böhm-Bawerk and the whole Austrian school of economics (Mises, Hayek, Rothbard, etc) by doing so you'll realise that Marxism is more poetry and imagination than economics. BTW, my grandfather and his brother found themselves fighting each other in the same battle as members of the tactical army and a communist guerilla group, respectively, even though they were both leftists (I am definitely not).
@@C_R_O_M________ a worker to understand the class society, to feel the class exploitation... he has to read Marx ?????? ...awesome historical approach !!!!!! ...the Greek communists were not groups but the majority of the Greek people!! 85% of the Greek people were with the EAM and the Communist Party of Greece ... in 1945 the English and the former collaborators of the Germans had: 450,000 leftist prisoners ... 150,000 exiles and prisons ....16,000 executed (7,000 by military courts and 9,000 murdered by black terrorism) the EAM-ELAS-KKE had 420,000 members of the communist party ... 700,000 members of the EAM ... 150,000 rebels (50,000 permanent rebels and 100,000 reserves) .... at 1958 after the defeat of the Democrat of the army, five years after the executions of Belogiannis-Bloubidis and other fighters (with over 15,000 Greek left-wing political prisoners, brutal fascism with violence and white terrorism throughout the country) ... in the 1958 elections, the left party took 25% of the votes ... but even to this day the majority of the Greek people are with the Left (in one way or another) .....but what are the English feudal lords-murderers to understand from the French Enlightenment????...what...?
@@MrGEORG1964 whatever! Three of my relatives were in exile and got tortured (cat in sack and thrown to the sea- type of torture). That would be my grandfather, his brother and an uncle. I know very well how leftist the Greek society is. You might want to read the "Ευτυχώς ηττηθήκαμε σύντροφοι" of Lazarides just in case you retain an open mind. Yes, you need to read, not only Marx but his opposing economists (Marx wasn't exactly an economist, just a journalist with poetic imagination) like the whole Austrian school of economics. Geniuses like Hayek, Mises, Rothbard and the likes. Marx was 100% wrong and I can prove it to you in a short comment.
Στο Γράμμος που σκοτωθηκε ήταν ταγματασφαλιτης?Ο Ελλάς εκτελούσε προδότες και δοσίλογους.Αυτο θα πω μονο
@@C_R_O_M________ do you know the History of our country?..do you know who the Lazarides is ??? Lazaridis is the minor who was tried in the Belogianni trial and while the others were executed, he was saved..after 1960 he followed an anti-communist course (although their own relatives were killed by the fascists (Bulgarians, Germans, Greeks))...you must know that Lazaridis (like the father of the Trotskyist Yotopoulos) for many years was a professor of anti-communism ( ??????) in police-army-naval schools etc....the book you mention is the result of a dirty immoral life of a man who hates himself !!in Greece, several social activists of the 1930s and even of the revolutionary decades of the 1940s and 1950s were bent and several of them ended up as undercover agents, agents in the service of the police and the autocratic state of 1930-1960-1975 .. especially during the period when the chief of the police was the famous Maniadakis ... a very intelligent man who chased the Greek communists to the point of madness - obsessively (even though he later said that he admired them ...) ... Lazaridis became well-known for his articles in right-wing far-right newspapers and for his other books there are much worse than him in the Greek Left...
I have a video idea for you. During the Great War, WWI, the Allies had occupied Greece. At the time, Greece was split with whom they side with. The royal family leaned towards the Central Powers. While the civilian government leaned towards the Allies of WWI. Greece was neutral in the war at this state, but yet France and British forces landed troops in neutral Greece and would go onto make heavy demands on the Greeks and blockade all shipping into Greece. Give up all their war material to the Allies, allow the Allies to control their national newspapers push their ideals upon Greek civilians. The royal family didn't want to join the war for another reason, they were surrounded by three Central Powers.
The video idea is this. Why did this happen and the aftermath results of these actions of the Allies forcing a neutral nation to fight in a war they didn't want. For the Great War, this is the biggest confusion as to why this happened and the relationship between the allies and Greece after the Great War.
@Rogue S300 Fire Control Radar Signature in Aegean I am asking about World War One, better known if somewhat forgotten, the Great War.
The confusion related to how the Allies of the era acted towards Greece a neural nation and the aftermath.y
The Greeks enthusiastically eventually involved themselves in the World War II, because they wanted to stop the Italian invasion. Did you forgot that?
@@antoniosdimoulas3566 I had watched the whole Great War from week to week, and I saw the issue Greece was having. Enemies on all sides if one choice or another was picked. And the Allies had pushed the issue, like forced it fight on our side or starve by our blockade. I want to know the aftermath about this.
Thanks for covering this part of history. The art and research into the subject was great as always.
I always wondered how come we were never taught about the civil war at schools. I think it's because it sheds a bad light on us, because of the monstrosities committed (besides many people from the far right who committed terrible crimes against communists were forgiven and even awarded positions afterwards, so the curriculum always wanted to push that historical fact under the rug). It also ruins the narrative of the united greeks pushing back the axis during ww2.
Fun fact, Greece doesn't celebrate the end of the war, but the begining of it, exactly because we were on each other's throats the minute the Nazis were out.
Thank you, armchair historian, for teaching me more about the Greek civil war, than the crappy greek educational system ever did.
About the fun fact, no we dont celebrate the start of war (more like resistance) because wE LoVe wAr but because we felt free to answer to a super power(Italians and after Germans) no because WE DIDNT SURRENDER because THIS place is for Greeks and only we are Feeling free inside enough to tell to the face of a super power "no".Its about the resistance we and the feeling "of saying to their faces no" and not because we love war.I will make it simplier,we are celebrating OUR BALLS we showed for defending our homeland no matter the super power we face and not tHE beGgiNinG oF tHe wAr.
Cassually miss all the civilians kidnaped and the executios of the commies
You know why the right wing happen its becouse the left exist
@@rgdevoner2344 i never said we celebrate the beginning of the war because "we love war".
What I'd been taught is the same thing you say, that we celebrate the people's bravery and the unity with which they answered the call to arms.
My point is, that whole narrative (although the fighters' bravery is admirable) is pretty much just an effort to save face.
We would be celebrating the end of the war just like any other nation, if it weren't for our passion of fighting each other every chance we get.
So we made up a nice little story about us being united in the face of tyranny, and thus we celebrate the beginning of the war.
There's no reason to sugarcoat history, we're not perfect.
There are many books you can find about National Resistance if you are interested. I didn't like the education system either but UA-cam channels can not teach better from a book.
@@user-jf6yv8rj2s a video reading the book?
It is truly remarkable how much thorough was your research on this matter. As a Greek myself I have to admit it. This was phenomenal. Even the headlines and the titles of the newspapers are up to the point. My best guess is that maybe a Greek guy helped you with this content. Anyhow, congrats!
Unbelievable quolity! Amazing video and aqurate as well! As a Greek Im honored you did such a good job as a topic this creaminaly uncovered
It is very well made. I will give you that
As a greek I am more than glad you made this video!
My grandfather was a royalist. He fought as an evzonos at the Albanian frontier, kicking Italian butt, but almost losing both of his legs by frostbites in the process. After the German invasion and the surrender of Greece, he returned to his family, living peacefully at his island. One day, a boat full of members of the Security regiments, the Nazi collaborators came, drafting right wing men to fight against the partizans of EAM ELAS.
My grandfather although being a royalist, refused saying "I am not going to fight against Greeks".
He, along with other right wing people who had also denied drafting, was captured, and taken by boat to Piraeus to be executed. Luckily, he managed to escape and returned home.
There are lots of things that I am proud of my grandfather, but l think this is what makes me proud the most.
Great video and a great oft-overlooked story. Also, that tank firing over his rear deck at 12:05 must be having a bad day. Armor forces are more susceptible to outflanking in urban combat.
It’s always superpowers that decided another country fate thanks for uploading awesome video
I prefer this fate over my country becoming another former Soviet-Bloc authoritarian shithole.
I prefer this fate over my country becoming another former Soviet-Bloc authoritarian shithole.
@@froggymusicman I already know how much power and influence a superpower have what I am saying is that it is not right to force another nation to follow your rules or policies a superpower= a bully
@@sulaymanbah123 Competition and domination is a major part of life always has been
@@mcmilk107 true but domination and competition between nations will end up just hurting the common people of those nations but not the rich
Never knew before that Sir Christopher Lee played a role in Greek history. I learned something new.
We don't know if he did. The organisation he was associated with at that time was active in Greece.
Lovely video
I would be interested to see how the Junta in Greece worked since nobody has really spoken about it.
Keep up the great job armchair historian!
The Greek Junta of the colonels, was, essentially a CIA operation to prevent a communist takeover. It did a great disservice long term as it glorified communism in the eyes of the public. If a communist takeover had taken place at that time, it would have busted the myth of "humanitarian communism" that stills plagues the Greek political ecosystem, one of ideological ignorance.
it was a coup, helped by the US. they took control, there was martial law and no freedom, they claimed to build infrastructure, which all what the actual democratic government before them was building. they put in prison everyone who opposed them, who ever was thought as communist, and prison was not even the start, they tortured and eventually killed the majority of them.
there was censorship everywhere, and they effed up the economy for the generations to come, by giving loans without return to everyone to gain support of the people, creating an enormous dept we still pay to this day.
then they interfered with Cyprus affairs and we lost half of the island to turkish invasion, that cost the lives of many.
all in all a dark period for 7 years with a huge death toll, and changed the mentality of people.
Could you do a video on the Brusilov Offensive during WW1? It was a very important offensive during the war that’s largely uncovered on UA-cam, and I think it would make for a very interesting video especially with your narration and style
No
It's been covered extensively
Simple history covered it
I don't really understand how everyone comments "We weren't taught about ww2 and civil war in school so bad educational system"
What kind of school did you go to? I went o a public one, we did WW2 and civil war in great detail and twice or thrice from 6th grade to 12th grade.
Civil war and WW2 in way more detail than this video as well.
You just didn't pay attention just admit it.
Its not that we weren't taught more that we weren't taught correctly
Probably because the second words about atrocities are heard the left wing or right wing teacher would be outraged and start raving about "propaganda"
love the videos been watching for years now
BRAVISIMO! Very complete and precise
As a Greek I stopped at your opening. Britain didn’t intervene in the civil war, they created it to shore up the monarchy . Yes they wanted to install a British monarch .
the monarchs of greece were always foreign and never british but you are close...
@@arcadeslum5882 never British ? Well if you want to play semantics all of the British monarch were never a British . Prince Phillip was from the same line . But it is a British monarch my friend. Next you will tell me that Charles is part Greek through his father . I love the snarkiness of the reply too, you must not be European. American ?
If you want to reply and have a serious discussion do so , if you want snark and high school debating don’t bother .
If you want to get down to it , there is no such thing as British, a mix race of essentially Germans . Angles are Germanic , Saxons were Germanic , Danes ultimately are an ofshoot of a Germanic tribes in the north. French are Germanic via Gaul and Spain are a mixture of Arab/North Africa and Germanic via Visigoth .
Britain is a Petrie dish , USA is mainly German as well. So basically the most despicable people in the world , responsible for all the atrocities trace their lineage to a few barbarian hordes .
Great video can you make a video about the Greek junta it's an interesting and dark part of Greek history
He should discuss the metapolitefsi
If you call Junta a dark part of Greek history than what you call 2010-2022?Just being curious...
@@jcsv12345 so like today?
Thank you for upgrading and update
Thank you so much for this great video !!!! Love from Greece 🇬🇷
You really undersold the white terror and the level to which old collaborators were used by the British and monarchists to fight the communists. However, excellent production quality as usual.
My grandfather Dimitrios was a member of EAM-ELAS during the Tripple Axis Occupation of Greece as there were thousands of Greeks at EAM-ELAS. However,in 1944 the KKE desided to take power via violoence and war again the Monarch-Fascist Goverment as the Communists called the other political parties and the other resistance groups. My grandfather then decided to abandon the EAM-ELAS because he didn't want to kill Greeks,which was not the purpose from the start. He was proclaimed to be a Traitor from KKE even though he was one of their greatest fighters. He remained a communist until his death even though he was against the practises of EAM-ELAS under the commands of KKE.
yes the government was not only fascist but guys who never fought for their country and just came from cairo. KKE had to defend the freedom that people got with blood
@@neandros7They fought and killed for control and power, not freedom. Amazing you still believe this propaganda. You’d be a vassal state of the USSR had those clowns won. Today all they have is a stage in front of syntagma and brainwashed slobs to still make comments like this.
Wow, notification system worked. Thanks yt (nice vid btw! It keeps getting better and better!)
I really look forward to watching these videos
As a Bulgarian I find Greek history fascinating because you are so close yet so far away. But honestly, for all the bllodshed, you should be spending every living moment being thankful you did not end in the Soviet sphere...
Frankly, staying in the "free" world brought no real benefit, neither economical nor political, to the average Greek, at least up to the the end of the Seventies. And, always frankly, even today there's little to rejoice for Greece.
But what of its support in the Russo-Ukrainian war, surely there is something to rally behind?
@@stefanodadamo6809 tbh the Greeks had a good time abusing their economy till it imploded on them.
This is true but only 50%...the other 50% lies on the fact that Greece became a protectorate of the USA and never really had the chance to get over the WW2 in financial and political terms. It is now a common secret among greek citizens that behind every party winning the elections, the american support was more than enough to ensure the results were for the american interests-even when "socialist" PASOK took the power, the Americans never lost anything of what thay had previously achieved on greek land and waters. Yes, we avoided the Soviet sphere with all its drawbacks but being under the american sphere didn't exactly bring democracy and prosperity...
@stefan I am as a Greek I can assure you
Italy tried to be like Germany in doing continuous conquests in balkans and north Africa, something that it failed.
Italy is the reason Germany fell,
@pablothesus Do you not understand Italy's incompetence?
@@redwind5150 the nazis in germany lost because they declared war on the US and attacked the soviet union at the same time. Instead of just fighting the british. Had they ignored the soviets and the US they could have defeated the british
@@pellejohansen The Africa campaign because of Italy played a major role in the fall. Had Germany not bothered with Africa, it most likely would have held out longer.
@@redwind5150 the Germans were bound to failure due to their incompetent leadership by Hitler. And it wasn’t even only Hitlers fault, his so “amazing generals” fucked up multiple times, sometimes against hitlers wishes. They would of ran out of oil eventually. And their leadership was retarted. They were doomed to failure.
Love your content!!!! Keep it up! Keep it coming
Another wonderful documentary! Amazing you guys can fit so much information with an easy to enjoy format.
Another good day when Armchair historian uploads
The British also used napalm bombing wiping out whole villages, contributing for the war atrocities in which the ethnic Macedonians were specifically targeted.
Yes, British also killed babies and ate them.
The fact your thumbnail was buddy christ is amazing
O my gooood!!!Thanks bro, it’s amazing!!
ZITO ELLADA!!
Not ''alleged'' collaborators ; Greece is the only place in Europe where too many collaborators not only escaped justice but they also came back to several positions of authority soon after the Civil War. Britain used them against Socialist EAM (which was NOT communist but a broad coalition of progressive parties, including KKE) because ''the enemy of my enemy is my friend''. EAM [and later KKE] committed several atrocities but executing nazis is not one of them ,because they were not crazy as many historians would like to believe.
EAM founded by KKE...
True but the coalition that founded EAM was led by the KKE
Amazing video,people here in Greece do not learn history correctly or deny its very existence. Ty Armchair I am a fan from the very beggining of your YTC,hope for more about our country in your next videos 100% accurate and up to the point!
Τι να σου μάθουν, κυρίως ο εμφύλιος αν σου μάθουν τα πραγματικά γεγονότα θα σου δημιουργήσει τις χειρότερες εντυπώσεις για τα δεξιά κόμματα
How do you know they are accurate?
I love your channel keep up the great stuff!
Great video, can you please make another video about the spanish civil war? Id love to see you talk about it again
Very good content, would love to see one on the Greek Revolution too. Eleftheria i thanatos!
Freedom or death. Commie malakas can suck it
If you had been my history teacher in high school, and if you had done presentations just like this, I would have been a much better student.
Nicely done video
I enjoyed this and subbed.
Α ρε Ελλαδα..Οταν οι αλλοι εφτιαχναν τις ζωες τους εμεις ειχαμε εμφυλιο...
We had to drive out the Commies someway after all phile.
Πάντα έτσι ήμασταν πατριώτη... πάντα έτσι ήμασταν.
Πάντα αυτό δε κάναμε...?
Εδω στην επανασταση μολις απελευθερωσαμε την πελλοπονησο καναμε εμφυλιο 😅😅.
@@englandtownwalks891 Αρχοντες
You do not mention Churhill´s agreement with Stalin as to the division of spheres of influence after the war.
This civil war that started as soon as WW2 ended is the reason we don't celebrate the liberation of Greece, but the day we entered the war (28/10/1940). It was a dark period with atrocities from both sides. Greece lost more men in the civil war than WW2...
The allies (mostly USA) used Greek civil war as a test lab for new weapons (throwing napalm to the communists hiding in mountains etc) that were later used in other wars like Korea, and the communists looted villages to find supplies and kidnapped litle kids in order to create more foot soldiers because they were outnumbered.
A personal story that shows the animosity between the 2 sides is this:
My late great grandfather was a hero of WW2 who almost lost his feet to frostbite and when the civil war started he was called to fight again. His fellow comrades from his hometown, who fought side to side with him against the Nazis but joined the communists, knowing that he is a soldier of the national army, went to his house and interogated my 6 year old grandma in order to find his whereabouts and set a trap to execute him. Luckily he was on the front at that time so he escaped almost certain death...
Thank you for the video, although it is a dark period as I said before, we must know about it so we can never ever end up killing each other again. The same applies of course to any war.
Been looking for you for the past week. Need more content 😂😂 jk. Thanks for your work. I love it.
A video dedicated to Greece.
Εξαιρετική δουλειά Griffin.
Just an extension.Tito wouldn't equip his fellow communist Greeks with weapons for no reason.His ultimate goal (as goal of the USSR headquarters) was the creation of a country in the North of Greece covering the geographical territories of Greece Epirus Macedonia and Thrace( at that time the made up story about Macedonia was made). Ultimately they wanted not only turn Greece into a Communist country; they wanted to be in small states.
No dude that's stupid. Stalin wanted no change in the borders. Only tito did.
Stalin wanted a Balkan federation, so he wanted to turn Greece into something like a federal republic by creating a state within a state, but after Tito stopped liking him he gave up on that plan as well
@@gnas1897Its not just a statement.There are records stating this fact by letters exchanged by Zachariadis and the USSR headquarters. Recently an academic (in Harvard I recall) presented these (USSR) records and the KKE party answered they are false (I guess they cannot accept responsibility).The actual point is there is no free lunch; they did not want just a communist Greek state,they wanted Greek Communist states with citizens of different origin Slavs Greeks etc.
@@MrThessalonikiman1 Zachariadis only declared the goal of an independent Macedonia in 1949 to attract more slavs to his army (because he knew that they were going to lose). Up until then, NOF fought for the freedom of Slavic Macedonians within the nation of Greece.
The Comintern's resolution on Macedonia was supposed to create an independent Macedonia within a Balkan federation, not just randomly.
Plus the Macedonia of the Balkan federation would also include Vardar Macedonia and Pirin. The reason for that is that the Comintern believed that this was the right move is because otherwise Macedonia would continue to be a warzone between Bulgarians, Greeks and Serbs, whereas unification would allow all tribes to live peacefully and equally on the territory of Macedonia. Now, the creation of a Macedonian nation was supposed to be a way to:
1.bring revolution to the Balkans
2. Give a solid national identity to population that didn't have one
3. Put the regional identity of the Macedonian peoples above the national one (to ensure unity in the future sovereign Macedonia)
4. To destroy "chauvinistic" and "imperialistic" ambitions by Bulgarians, Greeks and Serbs.
WHAT AN AMAZING CHANNEL. PIECE OF ART
Great video about a topic not well taught in general. Thank you for your dedication.
Small question thought, what's the name of the song in the end credits?
Can you make a video about Albanian-British corfu channel incident 1946?
“I was saving the planet from an Axis of Darkness, while you were back home opening national parks! Yes!” Winston Churchill
nice quote from an egotistical maniac/failed admiral
"I'm the rhyme minister, fresh in hat and dinner jacket"
@@titanlord9267 “I’m an American stud, and you’re the British Elmer Fudd.” Theodore Roosevelt
@@lucianoosorio5942 smh
@@titanlord9267 "Your whole miserable country is the size of one state" Theodore Roosevelt
I'd love a video on how this channel came to be. The animation is waay too slick for one person
Why is Winston Churchill doing that pose from the character Buddy Jesus from the movie 'Dogma'? FUNNY AS HELL! 😂😂
The video is available EXCLUSIVELY in 144p and 1440p. No in-between
I am seeing in 720p🤔
I see all the options. Maybe some of them hadn't been generated when you watched this.
360p. Automatic.
can you make a video about the triple alliance war/paraguay war?, seen that this war e very rarely spoken here at south america an even at my country (Brazil) and i would appreciate see a such good content creator like you that teach me more history than all the 5 schools i studied in my life made a video explaining more about this almost forgotten war
ps: sorry for any english grammar error or miss pronunciation you might see at this comment
I like that idea. I have wanted to learn more about that war, especially because of how unusually brutal it ended up being to Paraguay.
@@theotank2439 yes it was a slauther for both sides mainly paraguay and brazil that suffered alot economicaly ,politicaly and millitary with this war, also o risk my self say that this was mas more brutal than the american civil war it self seen that the battles were mostly in close quarters due the terrible swampy terrain the armies fight making each battle a little antietam with bayonet charges close range skirmishes and everything else you can imagine
Only missed two words ("appreciate" and "comment"), great job!
wish granted
That was good work!
Nice video!
Impressive how you managed to watch a 20 minute video in under a minute!
I too enjoy watching Greek history in 144p just as God intended
Yeah bro
The fact that the video doesn’t even need good video quality means that the videos them selves are quality and great no matter what
144 for the true Balkan experience.
Thank you for this video. I can only assume why so little we, the Greek people, know about the civil war.
why we, the Greek people, know so little about the civil war
Finally, another history episode!
Could you make a vid about the history of music and the different genres? Would be nice to have a topic other than war.
PLEASE do a video of the Battle of San Juan 1797.
Thank you so much for this video, the Greek civil war is something we are not taught at school in any detail other than scarce mentions so I learned a lot about my county's history from this.
I'd love to watch a video on the chounta you mentioned happened afterwards, it's a super interesting conflict that I believe is worth a video. It will be really informative to listen to that piece of history from your perspective as you seem to value above all objectivity and truth.
It's sad to admit this but the way we are being taught Greek history in our schools definitely keeps us in the dark when it comes to the less appealing parts of our modern history.
Read also the David Brewer's book "Ελλάδα 1939-1949" to find an objective side in the history. It goes into too much detail sometimes but in general is extremely informative
@@im2noob4bronze Thank you, I'll check it out for sure
excellent video
Thank you for talking about the Civil War. It means a lot to me . You are one of the only peaple who tells the facts in a neutlal way. I don't know else how to thank you. I hope we can have the chance to talk and also >
Recommend doing a video about soviet occupation of the baltic states during and after ww2.
It is a very complicated yet not very well known to the westeners.
Click bait aside, a very good video.
Brits also used the Acropol as a defence cover and British soldiers resided in the museum there. They did not allow the Greek museum staff to enter. They endangered the artifacts too, touching and climbing on them taking pics, while using the place as a public toilet and they called prostitutes too. So much for respecting Ancient Greek civilisation from the Crusader successors.
It would be interesting to see a video on the military junta that followed.
The real reason why Britain intervened is because they like rocks, and we all know how much the British love their rock collection.
Yep rock collection like India, Australia and Canada
@@sfooter1692 they’re the larger rocks in the British collection!
@@froggymusicman I think he's talking about the marbles stolen from the Parthenon that the Brits have and refuse to return.
@@bryanemmel6516 And we ain't giving them back either. 😂😂😂
@@bryanemmel6516finders keepers, losers weepers
Wow, it's so empowering to see someone finally talk about such an important part of modern Greek history - especially a part involving my great grandfather, Nikos Zachariadis :)) Thank you
One of the great Anti-Fascist of Europe. Kudos.
Bro, your grandfather was a murderer? Dang.
@@jackboehm8408 My great grandfather, so my grandfather's father, was a political leader who is considered very, very controversial in Greece until this very day. He is not what one would call a murderer, but the Party's common decisions during the Civil War (who also were to a great extent following what Moscow told them) did lead to many deaths on both sides. He himself by the way wrote an open letter to the Greek people in 1940 while imprisoned on Corfu, asking them to fight got Greece's independence against the Italian powers that were coming for them, a fact that contributed to the utter humiliation of Mussolini in Europe's eyes. It is eye opening when one realizes that the letter was published in the national newspaper by then dictator Ioannis Metaxas, who was of the far-right but had declared that he would not let the Italian troops pass through Greece and thusly decided to help his political rival.
I am the creative director of the channel, i have to say that i am happy to see you in the comments sharing your great grandfathers story. We worked hard to keep our approach as neutral as possible. I believe we succeeded (taking into account that the channel’s origin is western)
@@hst615 Antifa is cringe
Hey armchair historian, could you do a video on the ww2 battle of Peleliu?
LOVE YOUR Work.....
I didn't know Sir Christopher Lee was a SOE agent? But he was an actor who played Dracula.
I have a friend who's grandmother worked for Churchill.
You know, guys, when one side of a civil war requires military intervention from a stronger empire to defeat its opponents, I would seriously think about whether that side truly represents its people.
I mean, the communists also had foreign support.
New am and yarn hub videos at the same time yay