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Wow chain drive rear wheel drive! Revolutionary! Honda still dominates with their NC Series but yes, this is the prototypical overly-refined answer to Everything Japan. Really not into euro-tard machines excepting perhaps the Royal Enfield but for this extreme an activity I think you're spot on for *"going there"* with this here. Still waiting on Toyota hybrid drive systems to finally start making its way into the twin adventure World where fuel and reliability is such truly a premium.
Plus we all grow older each year, and passed a certain age, we are less driven by how much the motorcycle has, but rather seek simplicity, lightness and ease of use
I got rid of my 2020 Africa twin adventure sport and bought crf 300 rally and much happier now. I was doing more trails and less streets. The Africa twin was dangerously heavy.
@@tacosdecamaron Well if you are riding in a storm it may be but also the bulkiness comes with weight too ergo the windage... Smaller surface volume can dig a better hole in the wind too. So it is not as simple as heavy is better in strong winds. Bikes height, and bulk has a great role in strong windy conditions.
Just so you know, your channel is my favorite of all the motorcycle channels, even though I'm not just into adventures. Simply your honesty and your ability to convey the feelings from the motorcycle and the detail in the information you provide is the best there is. I really wish that your channel will grow a lot, you definitely deserve it
@@BigRockMoto what seat cover do you appear to wrap all your bikes with? Does it go over everything or do you have to remove the stock cover? Do you keep the stock padding? I noticed in your UA-cam “short” video on this bike and the new cover was already on. Do you have a video about these covers that you appear to use on all your models?
Last week I made a 4200 km tour in Turkey. I am really happy with the lightness, agility and power of this bike. I was easily riding with my friend with R1250 GS on highways. On the Offroad much easier to ride compared to GS. Finally, I realised that I really don't need 1200cc heavy machines.
Logical move, good point re a lack of long term evaluations. I’m totally sick of seeing show off journos on loan bikes pulling standing opposite lock power slides through corners. Ian puts the bikes through normal use that I can relate to. Keep it up.
That 890 will be a ton of fun offroad, the large adventure bikes come in to their own when you do big tours like 2 to 3 thousand mile trips. They're super comfy and campable of carrying huge amoubts of weight. Can't wait for the 1300 GS, that's going to be a show stopper
Thanks for continuing to stay up with the "latest and greatest" ADV Bikes to help us make better purchasing decisions. Your reviews and experience is very valuable.
I'm really looking forward to this series! The 890 Adventure (non R) got way more interesting now that it has a fully adjustable fork. I don't jump logs (maybe small ones 😉) so don't need so much ground clearance. Being able to dab comfortably offroad because of the lower seat height would be a real bonus for me... Keep up the good work!
Looking forward to your detailed review as always. Also extremely interested to see how you like this KTM compared to your Tuareg, as I too am a Tuareg owner. Thanks gain for all you do for this community.
Instead of thinking "how can we make the GS even bigger, more expensive and more powerful? 1200cc isn't enough, we need 1300!", I wish they thought "so the GS is a proven adventure platform with more than enough power, lets see if we can make it lighter!". I understand this would go against what the majority of what the market wants and that's why they have other bikers in their line-up, but a 210kg 1250 GS would be cool to see.
Came to visit my cousin here in California. He and I have been discussing me buying a motorcycle for the last few years to do some Backcountry discovery rides. Got here two weeks ago and I finally pulled the trigger on a 650 KLR after watching your video on the gen3. During that video we were surprise to discover that you and my cousin are neighbors. He lives on Sunrise Drive. We're big fans. Thanks for your Insight. Continued success.
Dommage j'aurais aimé vous voir avec la nouvelle Norden 901 Expédition , peut être un peu plus tard. Merci beaucoup pour votre investissement, vous êtes de loin la meilleur chaine de moto d'aventure.
When shopping around just sitting on bikes, I made a point of sitting on the 890 Adventure at my nearest KTM dealer to make sure whether or not I liked the feeling, even if I planned to ride more on-road than off. It really liked how planted it felt, even with the wide seat making me end up on my balls of my feet like you appeared to be with both feet down (same inseam!). Just very nicely low center of gravity for a confident feeling. Ultimately not getting one right now but plan to ride one when I can and keep it in mind for more adventure-focused riding when more off-road is available and/or planned!
This is 1 of the long-term reviews I'm most excited about on your channel! I am really considering this same bike, specifically due to its low seat height and excellent center of gravity. Please do a comparison of how hard/easy the maintenance is on the 890 compared to its main competition!
Ian, I'm really excited about this review, along with your upcoming longterm test reviews. I am EXACTLY where you are concerning my thoughts of getting away from big adventure bikes, such as my R 1250 GS. I test rode a '22 Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro and immediately bought one. Yes, I own more bikes than I care to admit. EXACTLY as you mentioned, by the time I added all of the protection, aluminum panniers, etc. to my Tiger 900 GT Pro, it all of a sudden lost it's "Schwinn" feeling that initially won me over. Huge BMW fan boy and LOVE my R 1250 GS, I'm one of those "phony" adventure bike riders, who never goes off-road. I simply like the look and feel of an adventure bike. Dying to hear what you think of your new KTM's "highway manners," as that's where mine will spend the majority of its time., in addition to a fair amount of around town riding. My "go to" bike right now is a '20 Ducati Scrambler Icon. I had to dump a bunch of money into it to make it worth a damn. Quite sure the OEM suspension on that bike came from the Dollar Store. The main reason I ride it everywhere is its ease of maneuvering at slow speeds, including moving it around the garage. Not to mention how much easier it is to get on and off it. It's a very average bike at best, but an absolute dream to handle/manuever. I have to get on and off my Tiger 900 GT Pro and R 1250 GS (with the Touratech Ultra Low Seat) like a horse. I'm soon to be 72 years young, 5' 10" and shrinking, along with a pair of "too much football hips." The standard KTM 890 Adventure, with a Seat Concepts low seat, may just be the ticket. Thank you in advance!!!
Another great vid thanks. As a Tuareg owner I’m loving the format & content. It’d be funny if the airplane at 9.59 in the video was the Missenden Flyer. 😂
You’re nailing it Ian. You deserve to be successful because you put the work in (and make the investment) which is why you can provide such quality on point information that is valuable to your audience. I think what you’re doing by investing in your business (buying the bikes) so that you can give us all that quality, in depth information is spot on. Thank you and keep it up!
The lighter the better for off road riding in my experience. Here in Australia speed limits are very heavily policed. So the extra power and torque of the bigger bikes is impractical here.
Honestly love all the points you made. Was looking at a super adventure S but an 890 sounds like it hits all the points I’m wanting. Basically wanted a decent touring bike that can do down gravel and dirt roads. I’m also short so knowing the seat height is low is a big plus for me. Looking forward to you full review.
Great Video… I sold my R and bought the ‘23 “S” (base model) and am loving it. Riding it feels like I’m on my Honda CRF300L as it is so nimble and the low seat height and center of gravity are revolutionary compared to any other similar bike. (I’ve owned a Tiger 800 👎, and have test rode a Yamaha Tenere 👎on back trails of Utah, and test rode a Ducati Desert X which was great fun but a nightmare for maintenance! ) A major plus is being able to remove the air filter in under 2 minutes which is a huge deal when riding in dusty conditions!
Great choice on the 890 Ian and defiantly looking forward to the rest of the series. I would love to see a video of a 1290 SAR one day down the track. Keep making great content man, one of the best motorcycle channels out there!
I am totally with you on the arguments for a mid-size bike. I’ve been applying this for two seasons now. For road bikes I’d like to add the ridiculous range of hp which is detrimental to enjoying public roads in my view. For me, the R1300GS is a step in the wrong direction.
Good one Ian. I very much look forward to seeing the reliability of this bike. If KTM can get rid of all the small, irritating service issues, their basic design is certainly as good as any out there. So, put some miles on it and let us see what happens. Good luck with it.
@@anxiousappliance Nah. I'm good. Rather hear directly from an owner whose may have had multiple niggly things than some of the overblown issues in the forum.
@@67mooncat so what. You saying he’s full of it cause it didn’t happen to you. Maybe your full of it cause it didn’t happen to him. Goes both ways. Why even.
Thank you for your help in choosing my new motorcycle! I ended up going with the 2023 KTM 890 Adventure, and your video helped with my decision. Much appreciated!
Finally! I've been waiting to hear your thoughts on this bike since they came out. I've long believed that the base model is a better all around option for most people versus the R. You're correct that it's woefully under represented in terms of coverage. I have a 2021 model and I consider it to be the best middleweight adv bike available for anything other than fast aggressive riding on challenging terrain. For a true adventuring touring type rider, I think it's hands down the best.
I'm definitely looking forward to the next installment! This 890 Adventure, and the Tuareg 660, is my short list for my next "street" bike. Having owned big top heavy full size adventure bikes (never again!) I'm totally on board with the new middleweight concept. The previous middleweights - Dakar 650, Wee-Strum 650, etc, just didn't cut it in the engine department. I'm impressed and pleased KTM actually pushed the state of the art in mass dynamics, handling, power, and weight.
I watch all your videos but this being a practical bike that most would buy, love the lower seat and ridability. Your making me want one already! BRAVO!!!
A couple years ago I sold my 1200ADV and bought a 900 Tiger. I’ll most certainly be switching back to a 1300GS when they become available. I like the lighter weight Tiger pushing it around, but on high speed pavement, the mass of the big Beemer makes for a better ride, and the extra power is intoxicating and useful.
KTM has hit a home run with these fuel tanks. Riding an 890 you'd guess it was substantially lighter than what the scale says. Can't wait to try a dual sport single with them.
I went from a F850GSA to the 890 Adventure /s and I couldn't be happier. The F850GSA took at least a half dozen "naps" in the 3,500 miles I owned her, one at a stop light. I was just looking at a text message on my phone, which was handle bar mounted, while stopped at the light when I realized I was going over. There was just no stopping that 550 lb top heavy monster from going over. Rear steps out in a clay rut - over you go. Come to a stop and you didn't realize there was a slight rut under your left foot and over you go. On the 890 I just reached 3,500 miles and no "naps". None even close. Tail end steps out off road no problem to bring it back. Slight rut under that left foot - no problem. Seat height, weight and center of gravity are physics, one should stack physics to their advantage. An interesting test of all ADV bikes would be a "lean test". How many degrees to each side can you lean the bike before it takes a certain amount of force, say 75 lbs, to keep it from going over. I bet the 890 would win this test hands down.
This is exciting news! I’m so looking forward to your in-depth review of the bike. By just this teaser, you’ve got me re-evaluating my decision about what big adventure bike to purchase. $14,000 as opposed to $26,000 is a big deal. Let’s Ride!
Thanks for the review! I only want the R for the blue color but otherwise would be super happy with the base model. I also like the 2023 visual redesign as well.
Always watch your vids, enjoyable! I changed from a GS 1250 to a KTM 1290 SA. had so many issues , sold it and went back to a BMW, hope you have better luck!! looking forward to the new R1300!!
Ian the desert x air filter can be changed in 20 min so it’s not hours. There’s videos online. I know it’s a hassle but I think they were restricted in their options and it’s also high and protected from tip over in water etc.
Well played, Sir, Well played. Your reviews have tossed me one way then the other..[no giggity] and KTM seems to be worth the risk & all the "I told you so"s. 👍 I really enjoy your content, you always provide food for thought.I hope all is well with you and yours.
I wish you waited for buying Norden 901 Expedition. It seems like it is the Best Of 2 Worlds ( KTM 890 Adv & 890 Adv R). Long Travel + Big Windscreen+ Heated Grips, Seat ,...
Very nice bike Ian, although I find there is missing piece of review in your videos with the KTM 1290 Super Adventure S/R, would be nice to compare that to GS and so on. Also, what is the matter with the plane noise you seemed upset!
Can't wait for the full reviews! I test rode the Adv and Adv R. I'm 5'9 and the Adv was so prefect for me. R was a bit tall, but doable. Now I want to test ride the 901 Expedition to see if maybe that is the perfect in between, with all the lux items that the Adv has, but also the better suspension that the R has! Bring on your reviews of the Adv Ian, thanks!! 🏍💨
Well done, this Bike is Pitch Perfect. We here in Germany has 2 Years Warranty also on the R Model. I chose the new R Model in case of looks. i am Short (171cm) so i maybe has a struggle on tecnikal tracks but if i lay it down that did not bother me. before the 23 Model i owned a 21 Model 890AdvR and ride 30000km on it with not one issue. Now my son drives its. Good luck and i allways look at your Videos cause the arguments u bring are true
I support 100% your decision. Too much reviews of 1250GS so many of this 2023 KTM890 adv base model. I hope you can compare it with the Norden 901 since the upgraded suspension may cut some of the differences between both. Eager to see your detailed and professional review of this bike!,
Great choice. I should have bought the base model 890 instead of the R model that I currently ride. The extra cost isn't justified and I don't really use the additional capabilities. I do use the cruise control and the most important option, the heated grips. On a few occasions I have used the rain mode but generally I use the factory settings for road and off road. These bikes aren't really light weight so I have reverted to my old DRZ 400 for most off road (trail) riding. Due to the size and weight my 890 has largely become a touring bike that handles gravel or unpaved roads for which it works reasonably well.
You are a very talented tester, one if not the best in my view! This said I have followed your information and decided to go with the 890 Base model, wow you nailed it! Just trade this with an ATAS 22 and I cannot tell you how satisfied I am with my choice wich was greatly influnced by your precise information...thank you so much for producing such high quality content! Much appreciated!
What a great idea, I really believe that the mid size bikes are way better than the huge "full" size bikes, and thanks for get the cooking model, totally agree with your thinking. I am about to change my current bike, and it's down to the 890 or a Honda Transalp 750, so watching your great channel as well as "Rocketman" great reviews. Thank you
You are absolutely right...the large Adv bikes are good for long distance touring, but are a nightmare on the trails, whereas the mid weight Adv bikes strikes that perfect balance between off roadability and Touring. And that KTM parallel twin is one of the funnest engine of the decade.
I'll support you on my 2022 KTM 890 Adventure "s" Love to see you review the base model bike! and I can't believe they added fully adjustable suspension on it!!!!
Thank you for this report. I'm considering options for ADV -type bike which wouldn't be big 1200+ family member - to heavy, too pricy, too high. Ducati Desert X, KTM Adv 890, Triumph Tiger 900 .... or even smaller ones like Aprila Tuareg or Honda Transalp. They are just fine for off-tarmac fun for passionate rider.
Great to hear your rationale for doing pretty much what I did with my 1200GSA to a 2022 890 Adventure. Sure, I don’t have the front suspension adjustability but stock is so well judged for my 165lb I doubt I’d use it. My swap was via a DCT ATAS which whist a superb bike honestly didn’t get by the GSA’s shortcomings for me and pretty much those you list. My 890 is a great bike that bit by bit I’m adjusting to my needs not least to get as close to the GSA riding position which was, for me, perfect. The “Ergo” seat is a softer plank than stock so a work in progress and spot lights are next just to give road presence which both the GSA and ATAS clearly have and the 890 even in orange doesn’t. One last reason I like the base model is that I don’t like the orange frame! Look forward to the next video. Cheers, Ian
Yes! The ability to check/change the air filter quickly is wonderful. I added a spong prefilter at the bottom of the airbox chamber where the water drain ports are because lots of dust can sneak in there. Also at 5'8" 30 " inseam, I LOVE the low seat height in either position. It is quick to adjust, and so i will ride it in the tall setting on the highway milee, but once i get to offroad destinations, i will lower i the seat so i can have better leg/foot control in more challenging terrain.
FYI....my friend purchased an 890 last year - loves the bike. HOWever, there were rumors they have camshaft issues - he disassembled the top end last month and sure enough, one of the Cam Journal bearings were eaten away - his bike had only 7000km (4400mi). Him being a Motorcycle Mechanic for over 35 years, did some research and found out KTM has parts built in China and assembles them in Austria. Although his bike has a month warranty left, 2 to 3 months wait for the parts!! A Rockwell Hardness test on the Camshaft Journal vs. a Camshaft from a 1999 CBR found the metal on the Honda cam to be 75% harder then the KTM cam. THAT is major QC issue and another one to the list of ongoing KTM problems I have heard of! Buy a T7 and avoid future headaches!
I looked at getting the BMW, but the weight was the biggest issue. I've now had my 23 KTM 890 Adventure R for 2 months, with almost a 1,000 miles on it, and I absolutely love the bike.
Nice intro sum-up Ian! I bought the exact same bike and have just started to get adjusted. Coming from a 1290SAS it instantly felt a bit small. Being 6"3 I found that the seat in the highest position worked very well. And that resolved minor buffeting issues also. Threw in the Ergo seat, stock a bit too much on the hard side for me, plus the ergo has a better shape. Of other things, extra lights, risers (17mm KTM) will go on later this week. the GPS bracket, puts the GPS in an ideal position for me at least. Else I've put out a post on my blog (not so much a vlogger) on my website where I sum up my likes/dislikes. Interesting to see your next videos! I'm settled for this season, whether for the next remains to be seen but not unlikely! Cheers.
You are absolutely right. ONLY thing I would like to be convinced of is the reliability of the 890 KTM. I am between the 890 adventure and the 890 SMT. What fresh design it has.
When they came out with the Adventure in 2019 Brett Tkacs did a video on the std. model and said it was more than enough for most ADV riders. The new 890 is even better and agree with your reasonings and assessment. I have a 790 R because I do pound it off road quite often and appreciate its capability for that. Going on 20,000 trouble free miles. Fantastic bikes!
I own the Tiger 900 Rally, 54 jears jung, my wife and I are always riding together and are more then happy with it, don't see the motivation why I should carry around so much weight and also love the enduro lighter style, The only time I miss my heavy Bike is on long straight Motorways witch I try to avoid aniway. 😎 appreciate your channel very much
IMHO the Tuareg should be able to do all you can do with the 890. For me they are quite similar. For a more road oriented big adv bike I would have kept the GS or get a 1100 AT. Your garage setup was perfect with the exc 350, tuareg 660 and GS 1250 (and the ATV we see sometimes in the background)!!!!!!!!!!!! Looking forward for the next video.
I agree. Too much overlap in his stable. The KTM 890 is slightly less weight and more power than the Tuareg 660. With all that being said, something like the KTM 890 Adventure R could be that "one bike" if you needed it to be. I have seen a KTM 890 Adventure R keep up with me on my Beta 430. And I road with a KTM890/Norden 901 over 5,000 miles deep into Canada on a road trip.
@@BigRockMoto for sure, they may feel totally different, but in my opinion their main aim and the customer segment is the same, mid size, mid price, adventure travel oriented bikes. Not as extreme as the R version, but not as comfy as a GS or AT.
You live in motorcycle heaven, many great bikes right in the neighbourhood and no rust issues. It does look like you became attached to the targei from your first test ride though. All those bikes and only so much time..love your quick takes.
That’s cool I just bought my 2023 KTM 890 Adventure base model bike just like that one 2 months ago and for all the reasons you just explained Ian, but I did upgrade the suspension to 220mm from Ted’s Beamer Shop to the TracTive suspension from the Norden 901 spec page and they had told me I was the first to have done this on the 2023 KTM 890 Adventure base model. And it is still way lower than the R version and more comfortable to ride anywhere and it matches my 260 pound weight!
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Wow chain drive rear wheel drive! Revolutionary! Honda still dominates with their NC Series but yes, this is the prototypical overly-refined answer to Everything Japan. Really not into euro-tard machines excepting perhaps the Royal Enfield but for this extreme an activity I think you're spot on for *"going there"* with this here. Still waiting on Toyota hybrid drive systems to finally start making its way into the twin adventure World where fuel and reliability is such truly a premium.
Plus we all grow older each year, and passed a certain age, we are less driven by how much the motorcycle has, but rather seek simplicity, lightness and ease of use
This ain't got simplicity - for sure.
I grew older and realised twin cylinder adv around 200kg is the perfect bike, you dont want much lighter than that
@@thelonewolf666 😃😃
I got rid of my 2020 Africa twin adventure sport and bought crf 300 rally and much happier now. I was doing more trails and less streets. The Africa twin was dangerously heavy.
How about a review of Honda’s Trans Alp??
Lighter is always better, and ready to crash right out of the box means a lot. A very nice bike indeed.
i ran my 640 Adv into car and fell down at about 50kph ... picked it up and rode to the hospital to treat my road radh 😅
except for heavy wind
@@tacosdecamaron Well if you are riding in a storm it may be but also the bulkiness comes with weight too ergo the windage... Smaller surface volume can dig a better hole in the wind too. So it is not as simple as heavy is better in strong winds. Bikes height, and bulk has a great role in strong windy conditions.
Just so you know, your channel is my favorite of all the motorcycle channels, even though I'm not just into adventures. Simply your honesty and your ability to convey the feelings from the motorcycle and the detail in the information you provide is the best there is. I really wish that your channel will grow a lot, you definitely deserve it
agreed
Thank you for the kind words!
@@BigRockMoto what seat cover do you appear to wrap all your bikes with? Does it go over everything or do you have to remove the stock cover? Do you keep the stock padding?
I noticed in your UA-cam “short” video on this bike and the new cover was already on. Do you have a video about these covers that you appear to use on all your models?
Last week I made a 4200 km tour in Turkey. I am really happy with the lightness, agility and power of this bike. I was easily riding with my friend with R1250 GS on highways. On the Offroad much easier to ride compared to GS. Finally, I realised that I really don't need 1200cc heavy machines.
How really????? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@publiomagri9515 I bet "VERY" really 😂!!! Ben de ayni fikirdeyim! 2022 GS Adventure'i sattım ve 890 alıyorum. Kaliforniya'dan selamlar!
@@CaptJimDavis Neden GS’i sattınız?
@@osmana.ozturk3412 Aptalligimdan dolayi…
I rode one this week and I am amazed. Every other one that I have ridden before is ancient... This motorcycle is amazing!
Logical move, good point re a lack of long term evaluations. I’m totally sick of seeing show off journos on loan bikes pulling standing opposite lock power slides through corners. Ian puts the bikes through normal use that I can relate to. Keep it up.
That 890 will be a ton of fun offroad, the large adventure bikes come in to their own when you do big tours like 2 to 3 thousand mile trips. They're super comfy and campable of carrying huge amoubts of weight. Can't wait for the 1300 GS, that's going to be a show stopper
agree 100%
Thanks for continuing to stay up with the "latest and greatest" ADV Bikes to help us make better purchasing decisions. Your reviews and experience is very valuable.
I agree, the mid-size bikes are better. Personally, I would have gone for the Nordon 901. I think it looks better and has better ergonomics.
I'm really looking forward to this series! The 890 Adventure (non R) got way more interesting now that it has a fully adjustable fork. I don't jump logs (maybe small ones 😉) so don't need so much ground clearance. Being able to dab comfortably offroad because of the lower seat height would be a real bonus for me... Keep up the good work!
I bought a Norden 901 after watching your review. It's a great bike .
Looking forward to your detailed review as always. Also extremely interested to see how you like this KTM compared to your Tuareg, as I too am a Tuareg owner.
Thanks gain for all you do for this community.
Thanks for taking the time to review the 890 Base!!
I just bought one last night! Rode 2 hours home in rain storm for its 1st voyage. Looking forward to you adding accessories so I can get some ideas.
Instead of thinking "how can we make the GS even bigger, more expensive and more powerful? 1200cc isn't enough, we need 1300!", I wish they thought "so the GS is a proven adventure platform with more than enough power, lets see if we can make it lighter!".
I understand this would go against what the majority of what the market wants and that's why they have other bikers in their line-up, but a 210kg 1250 GS would be cool to see.
1000% agreed, they are going the wrong direction, chasing more power and more features
Came to visit my cousin here in California. He and I have been discussing me buying a motorcycle for the last few years to do some Backcountry discovery rides. Got here two weeks ago and I finally pulled the trigger on a 650 KLR after watching your video on the gen3. During that video we were surprise to discover that you and my cousin are neighbors. He lives on Sunrise Drive. We're big fans. Thanks for your Insight. Continued success.
Dommage j'aurais aimé vous voir avec la nouvelle Norden 901 Expédition , peut être un peu plus tard.
Merci beaucoup pour votre investissement, vous êtes de loin la meilleur chaine de moto d'aventure.
Thank you that there are crazy guys like you with so much passion for motorcycles,that give us so much information
Would be interesting a longer term review of the Tuareg 660 and a comparison to the 890 Adventure.
When shopping around just sitting on bikes, I made a point of sitting on the 890 Adventure at my nearest KTM dealer to make sure whether or not I liked the feeling, even if I planned to ride more on-road than off.
It really liked how planted it felt, even with the wide seat making me end up on my balls of my feet like you appeared to be with both feet down (same inseam!). Just very nicely low center of gravity for a confident feeling. Ultimately not getting one right now but plan to ride one when I can and keep it in mind for more adventure-focused riding when more off-road is available and/or planned!
Perfect timing! I've been looking at the base model 890 adv. Seems like a good bike that is often overlooked.
This is 1 of the long-term reviews I'm most excited about on your channel! I am really considering this same bike, specifically due to its low seat height and excellent center of gravity. Please do a comparison of how hard/easy the maintenance is on the 890 compared to its main competition!
Huskavarna expedition ? Let’s see that . Can u get one . Is it worth the improvement and the package u get
A great job of explaining the “why” for reviewing this particular ADV bike. Looking forward to watching these reviews.
Ian, I'm really excited about this review, along with your upcoming longterm test reviews. I am EXACTLY where you are concerning my thoughts of getting away from big adventure bikes, such as my R 1250 GS. I test rode a '22 Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro and immediately bought one. Yes, I own more bikes than I care to admit. EXACTLY as you mentioned, by the time I added all of the protection, aluminum panniers, etc. to my Tiger 900 GT Pro, it all of a sudden lost it's "Schwinn" feeling that initially won me over. Huge BMW fan boy and LOVE my R 1250 GS, I'm one of those "phony" adventure bike riders, who never goes off-road. I simply like the look and feel of an adventure bike. Dying to hear what you think of your new KTM's "highway manners," as that's where mine will spend the majority of its time., in addition to a fair amount of around town riding. My "go to" bike right now is a '20 Ducati Scrambler Icon. I had to dump a bunch of money into it to make it worth a damn. Quite sure the OEM suspension on that bike came from the Dollar Store. The main reason I ride it everywhere is its ease of maneuvering at slow speeds, including moving it around the garage. Not to mention how much easier it is to get on and off it. It's a very average bike at best, but an absolute dream to handle/manuever. I have to get on and off my Tiger 900 GT Pro and R 1250 GS (with the Touratech Ultra Low Seat) like a horse. I'm soon to be 72 years young, 5' 10" and shrinking, along with a pair of "too much football hips." The standard KTM 890 Adventure, with a Seat Concepts low seat, may just be the ticket. Thank you in advance!!!
Another great vid thanks. As a Tuareg owner I’m loving the format & content. It’d be funny if the airplane at 9.59 in the video was the Missenden Flyer. 😂
You’re nailing it Ian. You deserve to be successful because you put the work in (and make the investment) which is why you can provide such quality on point information that is valuable to your audience. I think what you’re doing by investing in your business (buying the bikes) so that you can give us all that quality, in depth information is spot on. Thank you and keep it up!
I like how casually he just side notes his deposit on an R1300GS like that's not ridiculous
Im learning this myself in life Ian, less is more.
Less weight, less power, less luggage, less eating, less debt.
MOst informative non-biased Moto site on the internet... perfectly logic based and he's spot on, keep it up Ian.
Norden 901 Expedition 🏍️💨
The lighter the better for off road riding in my experience. Here in Australia speed limits are very heavily policed. So the extra power and torque of the bigger bikes is impractical here.
Honestly love all the points you made. Was looking at a super adventure S but an 890 sounds like it hits all the points I’m wanting. Basically wanted a decent touring bike that can do down gravel and dirt roads. I’m also short so knowing the seat height is low is a big plus for me. Looking forward to you full review.
It‘s exactly my thinking. Agility is perfect, consumption lower, power more than enough 🙂👍🏻
Great Video… I sold my R and bought the ‘23 “S” (base model) and am loving it. Riding it feels like I’m on my Honda CRF300L as it is so nimble and the low seat height and center of gravity are revolutionary compared to any other similar bike. (I’ve owned a Tiger 800 👎, and have test rode a Yamaha Tenere 👎on back trails of Utah, and test rode a Ducati Desert X which was great fun but a nightmare for maintenance! ) A major plus is being able to remove the air filter in under 2 minutes which is a huge deal when riding in dusty conditions!
Great choice on the 890 Ian and defiantly looking forward to the rest of the series. I would love to see a video of a 1290 SAR one day down the track.
Keep making great content man, one of the best motorcycle channels out there!
I am totally with you on the arguments for a mid-size bike. I’ve been applying this for two seasons now. For road bikes I’d like to add the ridiculous range of hp which is detrimental to enjoying public roads in my view. For me, the R1300GS is a step in the wrong direction.
this one is very high on my list, for all the reasons you listed. But so is the Norden Expedition.
Good one Ian. I very much look forward to seeing the reliability of this bike. If KTM can get rid of all the small, irritating service issues, their basic design is certainly as good as any out there. So, put some miles on it and let us see what happens. Good luck with it.
What are some the issues you’ve found?
Had two brand new KTMs. A 990 Adventure and a 690 Duke R. Never one single fault from either, and they got thrashed.
@@sunnyvalejedi dude - go to any forum - any ktm forum, any....So coy
@@anxiousappliance Nah. I'm good. Rather hear directly from an owner whose may have had multiple niggly things than some of the overblown issues in the forum.
@@67mooncat so what. You saying he’s full of it cause it didn’t happen to you.
Maybe your full of it cause it didn’t happen to him. Goes both ways.
Why even.
Thank you for your help in choosing my new motorcycle! I ended up going with the 2023 KTM 890 Adventure, and your video helped with my decision. Much appreciated!
Nice bike, I get and go just about any where on my CB500X, don't need heaps of power in the bush, light and nimble and just as good on the hwy...
Very Cool! I just bought a 2023 KLr 650, I hope it can be a stepping stone into something like this!
Finally! I've been waiting to hear your thoughts on this bike since they came out. I've long believed that the base model is a better all around option for most people versus the R. You're correct that it's woefully under represented in terms of coverage. I have a 2021 model and I consider it to be the best middleweight adv bike available for anything other than fast aggressive riding on challenging terrain. For a true adventuring touring type rider, I think it's hands down the best.
Looking forward to the 890 long term review. Your initial comments about why you chose the standard 890 makes perfect sense.
Looking forward to see a Tuareg vs KTM 890 Adv comparo...😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
One I can say for sure: this 890 looks beautiful! Streamlined, sleek, well-proportioned. A pleasure to look at.
Looks are subjective
I've got a new 790. Compared to the pre-2023 it's not ugly; I personally think mine looks sharp. But I totally get those who still find them "ugly".
I'm definitely looking forward to the next installment! This 890 Adventure, and the Tuareg 660, is my short list for my next "street" bike.
Having owned big top heavy full size adventure bikes (never again!) I'm totally on board with the new middleweight concept. The previous middleweights - Dakar 650, Wee-Strum 650, etc, just didn't cut it in the engine department. I'm impressed and pleased KTM actually pushed the state of the art in mass dynamics, handling, power, and weight.
I watch all your videos but this being a practical bike that most would buy, love the lower seat and ridability. Your making me want one already! BRAVO!!!
A couple years ago I sold my 1200ADV and bought a 900 Tiger. I’ll most certainly be switching back to a 1300GS when they become available. I like the lighter weight Tiger pushing it around, but on high speed pavement, the mass of the big Beemer makes for a better ride, and the extra power is intoxicating and useful.
KTM has hit a home run with these fuel tanks. Riding an 890 you'd guess it was substantially lighter than what the scale says. Can't wait to try a dual sport single with them.
Just sold my African Twin Adventure Sport for the same bike.
The weight is game changing
I went from a F850GSA to the 890 Adventure /s and I couldn't be happier. The F850GSA took at least a half dozen "naps" in the 3,500 miles I owned her, one at a stop light. I was just looking at a text message on my phone, which was handle bar mounted, while stopped at the light when I realized I was going over. There was just no stopping that 550 lb top heavy monster from going over. Rear steps out in a clay rut - over you go. Come to a stop and you didn't realize there was a slight rut under your left foot and over you go. On the 890 I just reached 3,500 miles and no "naps". None even close. Tail end steps out off road no problem to bring it back. Slight rut under that left foot - no problem. Seat height, weight and center of gravity are physics, one should stack physics to their advantage.
An interesting test of all ADV bikes would be a "lean test". How many degrees to each side can you lean the bike before it takes a certain amount of force, say 75 lbs, to keep it from going over. I bet the 890 would win this test hands down.
I recently got a Tiger 900 Rally Pro over the 890, but I think this is the best value bike in the segment bar none. Great choice!
This is exciting news!
I’m so looking forward to your in-depth review of the bike.
By just this teaser, you’ve got me re-evaluating my decision about what big adventure bike to purchase.
$14,000 as opposed to $26,000 is a big deal.
Let’s Ride!
Thanks for the review! I only want the R for the blue color but otherwise would be super happy with the base model. I also like the 2023 visual redesign as well.
Always watch your vids, enjoyable! I changed from a GS 1250 to a KTM 1290 SA. had so many issues , sold it and went back to a BMW, hope you have better luck!! looking forward to the new R1300!!
Had Lots of Bmw’s and both ktm 1290 SAR and SAS.
I now own a 790 adventure R since 2019 and have never looked back. It’s the sweetspot for me😉👍🏻
Ian the desert x air filter can be changed in 20 min so it’s not hours. There’s videos online. I know it’s a hassle but I think they were restricted in their options and it’s also high and protected from tip over in water etc.
Well played, Sir, Well played. Your reviews have tossed me one way then the other..[no giggity] and KTM seems to be worth the risk & all the "I told you so"s. 👍
I really enjoy your content, you always provide food for thought.I hope all is well with you and yours.
I wish you waited for buying Norden 901 Expedition. It seems like it is the Best Of 2 Worlds ( KTM 890 Adv & 890 Adv R). Long Travel + Big Windscreen+ Heated Grips, Seat ,...
Good call on the base model 890. You made the right choice.
Very nice bike Ian, although I find there is missing piece of review in your videos with the KTM 1290 Super Adventure S/R, would be nice to compare that to GS and so on. Also, what is the matter with the plane noise you seemed upset!
very curios about this as well
Hello Big Rock Moto, Atty. Jonel Torregosa here from the Philippines!! I love your vlog. So informative.
Please also compare it with the older 890 in the review. I expect better wind protection, but I'm curious what other differences there are.
The main difference is you can buy a 2022 for around $11,000...
You changed your bike more regularly than I changed engine oil 😀😂
I like your sound logic for choosing this bike over the R. Looking forward to your in depth review.
Can't wait for the full reviews! I test rode the Adv and Adv R. I'm 5'9 and the Adv was so prefect for me. R was a bit tall, but doable. Now I want to test ride the 901 Expedition to see if maybe that is the perfect in between, with all the lux items that the Adv has, but also the better suspension that the R has! Bring on your reviews of the Adv Ian, thanks!! 🏍💨
Well done, this Bike is Pitch Perfect. We here in Germany has 2 Years Warranty also on the R Model. I chose the new R Model in case of looks. i am Short (171cm) so i maybe has a struggle on tecnikal tracks but if i lay it down that did not bother me. before the 23 Model i owned a 21 Model 890AdvR and ride 30000km on it with not one issue. Now my son drives its.
Good luck and i allways look at your Videos cause the arguments u bring are true
Best moto journalist on UA-cam! Keep independent Ian!
Now this I gotta watch. Interesting switch.
I support 100% your decision. Too much reviews of 1250GS so many of this 2023 KTM890 adv base model. I hope you can compare it with the Norden 901 since the upgraded suspension may cut some of the differences between both. Eager to see your detailed and professional review of this bike!,
I agree about cruise. Ian going back to having only 1 bike soon and that is a must for me. This 890 seems to hit pretty much all I am looking for.
I love the fact you bought the base model. I can't wait for future episodes! Ride on.
Great choice. I should have bought the base model 890 instead of the R model that I currently ride. The extra cost isn't justified and I don't really use the additional capabilities. I do use the cruise control and the most important option, the heated grips. On a few occasions I have used the rain mode but generally I use the factory settings for road and off road. These bikes aren't really light weight so I have reverted to my old DRZ 400 for most off road (trail) riding. Due to the size and weight my 890 has largely become a touring bike that handles gravel or unpaved roads for which it works reasonably well.
You are a very talented tester, one if not the best in my view! This said I have followed your information and decided to go with the 890 Base model, wow you nailed it! Just trade this with an ATAS 22 and I cannot tell you how satisfied I am with my choice wich was greatly influnced by your precise information...thank you so much for producing such high quality content! Much appreciated!
awesome!
What a great idea, I really believe that the mid size bikes are way better than the huge "full" size bikes, and thanks for get the cooking model, totally agree with your thinking.
I am about to change my current bike, and it's down to the 890 or a Honda Transalp 750, so watching your great channel as well as "Rocketman" great reviews. Thank you
Where is the Tuareg long term review 😔
Wondering about the same. And is it reliable...
One week from today!
You are absolutely right...the large Adv bikes are good for long distance touring, but are a nightmare on the trails, whereas the mid weight Adv bikes strikes that perfect balance between off roadability and Touring. And that KTM parallel twin is one of the funnest engine of the decade.
I'll support you on my 2022 KTM 890 Adventure "s" Love to see you review the base model bike! and I can't believe they added fully adjustable suspension on it!!!!
Thank you for this report. I'm considering options for ADV -type bike which wouldn't be big 1200+ family member - to heavy, too pricy, too high.
Ducati Desert X, KTM Adv 890, Triumph Tiger 900 .... or even smaller ones like Aprila Tuareg or Honda Transalp. They are just fine for off-tarmac fun for passionate rider.
Great to hear your rationale for doing pretty much what I did with my 1200GSA to a 2022 890 Adventure. Sure, I don’t have the front suspension adjustability but stock is so well judged for my 165lb I doubt I’d use it. My swap was via a DCT ATAS which whist a superb bike honestly didn’t get by the GSA’s shortcomings for me and pretty much those you list. My 890 is a great bike that bit by bit I’m adjusting to my needs not least to get as close to the GSA riding position which was, for me, perfect. The “Ergo” seat is a softer plank than stock so a work in progress and spot lights are next just to give road presence which both the GSA and ATAS clearly have and the 890 even in orange doesn’t. One last reason I like the base model is that I don’t like the orange frame! Look forward to the next video. Cheers, Ian
Yes! The ability to check/change the air filter quickly is wonderful. I added a spong prefilter at the bottom of the airbox chamber where the water drain ports are because lots of dust can sneak in there.
Also at 5'8" 30 " inseam, I LOVE the low seat height in either position. It is quick to adjust, and so i will ride it in the tall setting on the highway milee, but once i get to offroad destinations, i will lower i the seat so i can have better leg/foot control in more challenging terrain.
FYI....my friend purchased an 890 last year - loves the bike. HOWever, there were rumors they have camshaft issues - he disassembled the top end last month and sure enough, one of the Cam Journal bearings were eaten away - his bike had only 7000km (4400mi). Him being a Motorcycle Mechanic for over 35 years, did some research and found out KTM has parts built in China and assembles them in Austria. Although his bike has a month warranty left, 2 to 3 months wait for the parts!! A Rockwell Hardness test on the Camshaft Journal vs. a Camshaft from a 1999 CBR found the metal on the Honda cam to be 75% harder then the KTM cam. THAT is major QC issue and another one to the list of ongoing KTM problems I have heard of! Buy a T7 and avoid future headaches!
I looked at getting the BMW, but the weight was the biggest issue. I've now had my 23 KTM 890 Adventure R for 2 months, with almost a 1,000 miles on it, and I absolutely love the bike.
YES!!! Thanks Ian. I've been eyeing this bike for awhile now and I respect your opinion. Looking forward to your choices in upgrades.
Nice intro sum-up Ian! I bought the exact same bike and have just started to get adjusted. Coming from a 1290SAS it instantly felt a bit small. Being 6"3 I found that the seat in the highest position worked very well. And that resolved minor buffeting issues also. Threw in the Ergo seat, stock a bit too much on the hard side for me, plus the ergo has a better shape.
Of other things, extra lights, risers (17mm KTM) will go on later this week. the GPS bracket, puts the GPS in an ideal position for me at least. Else I've put out a post on my blog (not so much a vlogger) on my website where I sum up my likes/dislikes. Interesting to see your next videos! I'm settled for this season, whether for the next remains to be seen but not unlikely! Cheers.
6:18 that front sag 😹
Thank you Ian! min 8:08 Absolutely right. Please let us know what those differences are in the REAL world.
Lots of very perceptive and insightful comments that are relevant, cheers!
Totally agree with low seats and heavy top heavy bikes. Too 3 guys to get my 750gs standing upright!
You are absolutely right. ONLY thing I would like to be convinced of is the reliability of the 890 KTM. I am between the 890 adventure and the 890 SMT. What fresh design it has.
When they came out with the Adventure in 2019 Brett Tkacs did a video on the std. model and said it was more than enough for most ADV riders. The new 890 is even better and agree with your reasonings and assessment. I have a 790 R because I do pound it off road quite often and appreciate its capability for that. Going on 20,000 trouble free miles. Fantastic bikes!
Love these bikes. Pumped for this series!
I own the Tiger 900 Rally, 54 jears jung, my wife and I are always riding together and are more then happy with it, don't see the motivation why I should carry around so much weight and also love the enduro lighter style, The only time I miss my heavy Bike is on long straight Motorways witch I try to avoid aniway. 😎 appreciate your channel very much
IMHO the Tuareg should be able to do all you can do with the 890. For me they are quite similar. For a more road oriented big adv bike I would have kept the GS or get a 1100 AT. Your garage setup was perfect with the exc 350, tuareg 660 and GS 1250 (and the ATV we see sometimes in the background)!!!!!!!!!!!! Looking forward for the next video.
I agree. Too much overlap in his stable. The KTM 890 is slightly less weight and more power than the Tuareg 660. With all that being said, something like the KTM 890 Adventure R could be that "one bike" if you needed it to be. I have seen a KTM 890 Adventure R keep up with me on my Beta 430. And I road with a KTM890/Norden 901 over 5,000 miles deep into Canada on a road trip.
@@CarlosThomas just for info: tuareg is lighter (and less powerful) than the 890.... more than 10kg circa... compare curb/wet weight...
the 890 feels totally different than my Tuareg, they are actually very different bikes
@@BigRockMoto for sure, they may feel totally different, but in my opinion their main aim and the customer segment is the same, mid size, mid price, adventure travel oriented bikes. Not as extreme as the R version, but not as comfy as a GS or AT.
You live in motorcycle heaven, many great bikes right in the neighbourhood and no rust issues. It does look like you became attached to the targei from your first test ride though. All those bikes and only so much time..love your quick takes.
That’s cool I just bought my 2023 KTM 890 Adventure base model bike just like that one 2 months ago and for all the reasons you just explained Ian, but I did upgrade the suspension to 220mm from Ted’s Beamer Shop to the TracTive suspension from the Norden 901 spec page and they had told me I was the first to have done this on the 2023 KTM 890 Adventure base model. And it is still way lower than the R version and more comfortable to ride anywhere and it matches my 260 pound weight!
Excellent point's and input to your decision that i totally agree with.
I agree with your theory about mid sized bikes in general.