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If I was (which is unlikely, I generally prefer larger bikes as I don't go off road much). Probably the Ducati Multistrada V2 S or Desert X, Triumph tiger 900, Honda Africa Twin, or Norden 901/KTM 890 in around that order.
Maybe the Tiger 900 or the Aprilia 660 but I'm still wanting the sweet 500cc, light weight, comfortable ADV unicorn that I've been chasing all these years.
The V-Strom 800DE looks extremely interesting but the lack of cruise control almost kills it. My hand hurts when having to keep it in the same position hour after hour.
I am down to two models to choose from - this one and the Tuareg. I rented the KTM 890 Adventure (S) in Colorado and rode all over the place, on and off road, and the bike performed flawlessly. I am still looking at the Tuareg - 1. because it's cheaper and 2. Its weight is lower down and it's the lightest of the middleweights. Ian - besides the suspension being better on the Tuareg, what's your gut tell you between the two? I am worried about reliability on both of them LOL.
As someone who's not ridden regularly for 20 years, but hoping to get back into it, I really enjoy your channel and content. So much has changed. So thanks!
Same here. Bought an 07 honda 450x. I felt like i was 16 again, right up to the point i got flung off and broke my leg. But i still had a smile on my face. Just got back to work today after 7 weeks of healing and plan to get back on as soon as soon my wife is looking the other way 😂
I sold my 2014 120GS with 95K miles and bought a 2021 KTM 890 Adventure R and road it for 10K miles and sold it to buy another BMW 1200GS. I found the 890 suspension high speed damping way too harsh and had it revalved a couple times and still to harsh. Power and handling is was outstanding and no mechanical problems. buffeting was horrible and tried several options and cheap eBay deflector helped. Seat sucked and got a Sargants. Ultimately I'm 72 and found the 890 harder to pick up than BMW as the KTM lays flat and the BMW eats miles better. at 72 I'm not getting crazy off road!
Should have gotten the 2023 basic KTM 890 Adventure not the R version, or even better Husqvarna Norden 901. They are better suited for the road, better comfort and handling, while being behind the R on offroad.
thanks Ian , great reiew. i relly appreciate the fact that you can admit a mistake in a decision that the costs in upgrading the suspension was a mistake. (for you) . We all make mistakes ,but many cant admit it. its very helpful in helping us in not making the same costly mistake. your honesty and integrity help make your channel the go to spot for bike reviews!! imho
Which is a plus for the KTM as only major issue likely to leave you stranded is the immobiliser failure which usually happens within the first 500 miles of ownership if it's going to occur. Get that sorted and any other issues are just little niggles that allow you to carry on riding. ;)
@@northidrecluse2306 broken? Not heard of any break. Heard of some leaking fluid and getting sorted. IIRC a whole load o Huskys came from the factory with leaking shocks. If it happens on a trip though it doesn't leave you stranded. Still shit, if it happens buy you aren't stranded. On a new 790/890 I'd be more concerned about the immobiliser antenna.
@@defylifeadventure I read complaints all the time about the problems with most models. Enough to steer me away from buying one. My local dealer is a dikweed too. It says, “Ready to Race” but I don’t have a pit crew to keep me on the track. Glad you like yours though
Great info, Ian. 3 years into a T7 & remain convinced it was the right choice for me. Yes, spent enough on aftermarket & getting suspension sorted to be in the KTM price range, but never wanted electronic wizardry & haven’t once worried about reliability. Software glitches on a motorcycle sound nearly oxymoronic to me & would definitely turn me off recommending any bike that has them.
Yeah, when I bought my T7 I thought about going for the 890, dealer had both, but couldn't pull the trigger. Think it was the right choice, don't need the headaches.
You know that the only electronic wizardry that the KTM has could leave you stranded is also the same electronics that the T7 has. i.e. an immobiliser which unfortunately the KTM has suffered some failures (my bike included). Other than that none of the electronic stuff can leave you stranded any more than it can on the Yamaha.
@@defylifeadventure the only immobilizer my T7 has is the side stand switch that got relocated to serve as a hidden manual one. Unaware if that’s changed on the newer models. That & the abs switch make it one of the simplest modern bikes electronically speaking & what a lot of buyer decisions were based on. You’re unlikely to find many people agreeing KTM reliability is on par with Yamaha’s
Well said. I am torn between 890 platform bikes at the moment, but still would love japanese reliability... There are a few things that if corrected on T7, all of my problems would be solved; like the exhaust / swing arm issue....
Great video! Have done 16.000 kilometers plus (ca 9942 miles) with mine (-23 standard). Only had two issues: engine conked out in rally mode once, around 10 000 kilometers. Bike just died. Started again right away with engine fault symbol. Rode normally thereafter. Two starts later, engine fault symbol gone. 6000 kilometers later, no repeats (software glitch?). Cruise control doesn't like bike wash. CC cannot be activated for approx. 1hr. But then comes back. Clutch cluster replaced under warranty but it didn't help. Works fine when riding in rain. Else it's been fine. Considering the R but I'm less of an offroad rider than you. So might stick with it the standard, time will show. As for reliability well I am not so concerned. Before this I did 55 000 kilometers on a 2019 Super Adventure S with only one issue in 2yrs (starter clutch replaced under warranty). Had way more issues with beemers over the same period. The 890 is the best option I've tried in the segment, with a considerable margin. Cheers and thanks for all your excellent videos! :)
My 21 890R has been the funnest bike ever! I would buy another if it disappeared. Absolutely trouble free. @ 20,000 miles I havent had to even adjust the chain. Local dealer sold 14 21 890R's, not one has come back with an issue. None of the 790's hes sold have had problems. The internet is trying to kill KTM over a cam shaft issue that very rarely ever happens. KTM is covering any that do happen, even sending refunds for those that happened years ago. There's no bike like an 890R, nor is there one like my 690 Enduro.
I'd get the left control cluster looked at by the dealer. Mine had a pinched cable, which affected the turn signal. My dealer was excellent and had caught this before I took delivery and changed it out immediately. I have 6000km on my 2023 890 non-r. It's an excellent compromise bike. Few cold start issues, but changing to midgrade fuel and allowing the fuel pump to 'click off' once keying the bike on, seems to have gotten rid of any issues with cold start. I'm using the Motoz GPS rear and Motoz Rallyz front. We do tons of gravel travel. My wish...KTM should make an adventure chassis version of the 690 with side gas tanks. Thanks Ian!
I have a 22 Ktm Adv R Here’s my short take Upon delivery my lead acid battery was bad, dealer replaced with upgraded battery no charge. Some people say the lead batteries were causing immobilizer issues, maybe true I don’t know. After riding for 1 year approx 3200 miles, I’ve had these problems… Cold start up. Dealer said reported problem goes away after break in period. I can confirm it has never gone away. These issues dealer fixed under warranty Rear shock leaking. Moisture under screen. Quick shifter. Hard down shift from 5th to 4th Dealer said needed a software update and no problems with that since. Overall I love my bike! Yes there are few somewhat small annoyances I’ve experienced , but if you can work with your dealer to get them fixed the 890 adventure bikes are extremely fun to ride! Thanks for all your motorcycle reviews Ian
I have a 2019 Husky 501 I’ve kitted for my dual sport rides. It’ll go 80mph on the highway and once offroad it’s so easy to go nearly anywhere. I also rode a KTM 890 on road in the Swiss, German and Italian Alps this last summer. Friend was on a GS and I had now problems keeping up with him. Now I’m considering an 890R, and your honest review is giving me the confidence to move forward on that decision. Thanks for this. I’m 63 and maybe I want to spend more time on roads and fire trails than the technical stuff. But I’m still keeping the Husky! 😮
The big "problem" with your theory #2 is that many folks thinking of getting an 890 are convinced they're the target market (expert off road rider) of the R model LOL. In the same vein, imo the standard 890 should come with a 19/17 wheelset. It will better serve the vast majority of owners better than the 21/18 setup. With ~ 280,000 miles of LC8 ownership, I think the reliability of the big KTMs has been excellent. Here's my TOTAL list of failures: - 950S- clutch slave, clutch- all within 30,000 miles. Clutch was my fault- got myself in a swamp situation that caused the wear - 950SM- clutch slave/water pump/shaft seal, fuel pump- all with less than 20,000 miles- no more failures to almost 65,000 miles. Easy/inexpensive aftermarket solutions - 950SE- fuel pump and water pump shaft/seal replaced before failure- nothing else in ~45,000 miles - 990 Dakar- clogged fuel filter caused rough running; otherwise faultless in ~30,000 miles - 990 Superduke- no issues ~25,000 miles - 990 SMT- no failures_ 34,000 miles (still have) - 1190 Adventure- weak starter and leaking fork seal replaced in under 15,000 miles- other no issues & currently ~63,000 miles (still have); I know/knew/ride with a lot (well over a dozen) folks who own larger KTMs- most pretty good on/off road riders- and their experience parallels mine. I get it- people have a compulsive need to bitch- especially in "public". I suspect that as aggravating as some things KTM does wrt letting design choice issues linger (950 fuel pump/wp shaft seal/clutch slave anyone lol), the underlying platforms are rock solid- especially when they're used to their potential. And for the record- my Ducati/Italian/Moto Guzzi , even my Moto Morin Camel LOL, ownership has also been very good. As has my Japanese mc ownership.
Another great video as usual. Was worried you weren't going to post additional episode after you upgraded to the R. Thanks so much for the added insight. After almost endless turmoil reseraching my next bike, I kept coming back to the 890 for many of the reasons you stated, even despite the potential reliability issues. Was torn between the Tiger, Vstrom, Taureg, but ultimately chose the KTM. I am so impressed by the power, how it handles, the low center mass is awesome and just sticks to any surface I've ridden. I'm going to use the CRF300 as my project bike, still love riding it as well. Thanks Ian for expertise!
I have moved away from KTM long ago. It just doesn't make sense to me to pay a premium price for a bike you have to constantly fix, worry about and can't depend on to get you home.
I’m getting ready to buy my first middleweight adv bike (or I should say… my first ADV bike)… this one was on my radar but I’m feeling like the 850GS might be the way to go after seeing this.
@@TerraMagnus Bike choices depend on the personality types and cash flow of the buyer. Yes this should go without saying but it really isn't discussed much in reviews. If you have money to burn and aren't the type to get too far off the beaten path then I think KTM is great! Lots of fun and excellent power and handling. However if you are not blessed with disposable cash you may want something that you don't have to buy and then fix. Or maybe your personality wants to take you way out of reception, which is my case, and you actually don't want to die out there because your bike doesn't work. I also won't ride BMWs or anything else where you have to run to a dealer all the time to get anything done. That isn't the type of person I am. I like working on my own stuff with regular tools. Not saying BMWs are bad. Just saying they don't match my personality or riding style. If you ride hard then the 850 suspension will immediately disappoint you. This is a road machine and gravel road at best. Which again comes down to you. Most people are emotional buyers over practical buyers. What are you actually going to do with it and what are your actual riding skills? Chris Birch has sold so many bikes for KTM because people emotionally think they can do what he is doing. Only to find out that they are squids and turn out to be terrified of the bikes they bought unless only ran on pavement. Be real with yourself in whatever regard and you will do just fine in your purchase. Pretend to be something you are not then ultimately your purchase will not be as useful.
@@WhatTimeIsIt369 I’ve been riding about 30 years, but mostly on British classics and American cruisers. Currently riding a Royal Enfield Interceptor 650. I’ve got the disposable income (tech worker). But I’m looking to upgrade to be able to go on multi thousand mile trips without my ass falling off. So yes, my comments are from the perspective of someone who doesn’t want to travel on an unreliable bike.
@@marcusplyon To be fair I still love KTM dirtbikes. As far as any adventure bike they have made there is one that stands out and that is the KTM 1090. Still has issues but not near as many as the laundry list the 890 has. If I remember correctly the 1090 is also assembled in Austria. Definitely not where the 890 is assembled. What have I moved on to? Depends a bit on your point of view. I have gone away from the mid purpose category and leaned more towards purpose. But for mid purpose bikes I'd choose the T700 any day of the week over what others have to offer. Africa Twin for more road oriented adventures although are quite capable if you are a decent offroad rider. Don't kid yourself with that concept either. I big bike is a different world than a dirt bike. And on the other side of the scale I have built up a lighter weight adv bike. A ktm dirtbike. Having said that it is a little too light. And I can't believe I am going to say this but I may buy a KOVE. AJP7 would be amazing but pretty much can't get them and not 100% reliable but then nothing is. Every bike has something. Unless you get a Vstrom and they almost always are completely reliable with almost no issues. Modify the suspension with the thousands of dollars you saved and you will have a great bike. It doesn't have the status of a Ferrari but dependable like a Honda accord.
Thanks for explaining about the 890. Top-focused content, as usual. For people concerned about bikes with too much tech that may break, there is the DR650. It's about as pure and simple as a bike can get. The DR may still be competitive with modern bikes and not just the typical XR650/KLR the DR usually compares with.
Yep or the T7, I like to think of the T7 as a modern DR650, ultra reliable and minimal tech that will be around for many years and become an icon like the DR and KLR
I had an 890R. Made a lot of tweaks to it in an effort to make it a unicorn bike. In the end I sold it. I came to realise that for my abilities The 890R (and midsize ADVs) are jacks of all trades and masters of none. I found the bike to be just too big and heavy offroad. At the same time it wasn’t the most comfortable on road. I was fortunate enough to be able to sell it and purchase a 1290 super adventure S and a Honda CRF300L with upgraded Rally Raid suspension. For me the 1290 covers the bases for long distance and road touring with some light fire road riding and the 300 covers more adventurous (for me) riding and light weight touring.
Hey Ian, I bought that bike at the beginning of the year, and my turn signals stopped working after a 20 mile ride home from the dealer. After much wasted time they ended up replacing the whole wiring harness to fix it. Also it has a loose steering head bearing. The bike is great when it works. I still only have 600 miles on mine. Thank you for your content!
This is the benchmark for almost every other motorcycle review you make, and for good reason. I bought mine because you kept mentioning it all the time. Best bike I've ever owned. Commuting and dirt roads and unmarked logging trails, this thing is a monster everywhere. I'm 150lb so the suspension is plenty for me. Thanks for the content NOW convince me to buy a drz400
I have 890 adventure 2022. I ride it pretty slow, but on a single track in Ontario, Canada . I've bottomed it and dropped it at least five times every time I took it to the trail. No problems whatsoever. Best bike ever
I love KTM performance, but the reliability keeps me from purchasing one. Also, my closest dealer in Nashville is an hour away. They don't seem to care about reliability and when you're adbventuring in the middle of nowhere, reliability is crucial.
Exactly why I went with the Transalp 750. I ride in mountains alone with no cell coverage, reliability is a must have for piece of mind and enjoyment 😦
after almost 8k km i don't regret buying Norden Expedition. Cold start issue disapears after 1,5-2k km. Now always start with no problem. No problem with electronic either. And how versatile this platform is amazes me. From asphalt tourer to dirt machine.
We have had issues with the traction control on 2 of these bikes. We did a trip put to Colorado and rented one, and the traction control would "fail" and disable itself, a software issue that could sometimes be fixed by cycling the key. We liked the bike enough that my father bought one when we came back east, and have had the same issue. Another problem I had on my 890 out west was with the quickshifter, the bike would drop back into neutral after shifting into 2nd and sometimes third, which was alarming when passing traffic. It happened once while I was passing a truck and accidently banging off the rev limiter with no power was very scary.
I so badly want an 890 but I really don't want to deal with the QC issues. The Facebook pages for the 890 platform (Husky and KTM) are non stop issues. I'm part of all the mid weight adv pages and I dont see the level of issues and complaints, not even close.
Nice review! Regarding reliability, I’ve been reading comments on the KTM 890 Adventure FB page, and it’s mixed. Many owners have no problems whatsoever, while others have problems most commonly with (1) the cold start, (2) the front tire leaking, and (3) misc. electronics issues that require a return to the dealer. Quality control issues at the factory? However, nearly all 890 owners I’ve seen on FB love the bike and vehemently defend it. For myself, I’ve decided to not buy an 890 this year and possibly wait until the 2024 model year, see if KTM can fix bugs on what looks to be an amazing ADV bike. Thanks again for the review.
I wouldn’t expect KTM to fix the issues in 2024. They stilled haven’t fixed some issues that came with the 790 in 2019. 😂 I’ll say it again; You either care about high performance and buy a KTM or you care about reliability and buy Japanese.
You can wait and hope or you can understand nothing will be perfect and just go ride. Honda plays it safe, BMW is conservative and heavy. KTM has poor quality control but fun aggressive bikes. I own BMW, Honda, Harley, Ducati and 2 KTM's. Each has its own limitations.
" nearly all 890 owners I’ve seen on FB love the bike and vehemently defend it" There is no way back. So they will defend their expensive purchase till death. I am looking for a new bike and I see that it will not be the ktm...
Thanks for recommending the Cool Cover Seat. I was a bit dubious about it but it really does work. Saved my butt on a 3 hour ride in Dallas this weekend in 110 degree heat! My only issue was the velcro straps were sewn into wrong location on my version. Nothing a couple of staples couldn't fix.
I really wish a Japanese manufacturer would step up and make something comparable to the ktm 890. I refuse to buy a ktm with all the known reliability and tech gremlin type issues. But it’s also hard to buy a bike like a tenere or a vstrom 800 that doesn’t quite have everything you want in a bike. Frustrating. Basically I want a ktm 890 adventure r …. But built by Yamaha. I’d happily pay thousands more then the current price of the ktm just to have the quality of Yamaha on a bike with those features ,
You notice, all the guys checking in on here with 890's with zero problems? That is very common with these bikes. No one builds a bike that performs like an 890, no one. The internet decides to destroy something it never stops, thats what it is doing to KTM now. Trying hard to make it seem like all KTM 's die. They dont.
My KTM dealer mech said they have lots of problems with bikes and lithium ion batts. Just passing on what he said. Try doing the computer reset; disconnect the batt, the take the bikes pos and neg and touch them together for 10 sec. Install your lead acid battery and see if you problems go away. Do not short the battery! I know you wont but others might not understand.
I finally gave up on my ‘22 890 Adventure and traded it away. I experienced all the same problems you had as well as the obligatory coolant leak. I could never bring myself to trust it on a tour, just never knew what might glitch next. Something to try, I found if I cracked the throttle open about 3mm before cranking, and held it there until I saw engine temperature on the gauge, it wold start and run without stalling or running on one cylinder.
Great review. I have thought about selling my 2019 Adventure R and going with the Adventure model too. Turns out these bikes are too heavy for me for serious off road, so I can use my 500 EXC for that. But you can't beat the 790/890s for exploring and normal adventures.
Ian, given all the software and mechanical glitches you mentioned, I'm not sure I could go with KTM. Doesn't sound dependable enough and don't want to worry about reliability when I'm 100 miles in the backcountry!
Thanks for the honest reviews, especially on the 890 adventure. I recently parted with my 08 DL 1000 that I bought new and decided to take it off road during COVID to places it had no business being. Almost zero reliability issues to that point - so knowing about KTM issues is important. I may still buy the 890 but at least I'm doing it eyes wide open. Just bought a BRM t-shirt to say thank you. Keep it up!
Be anxious to see what you say. Guessing you still love it, as it’s an amazing bike. I love my 901 Expedition. BUT I flipped over just now from John Young’s 890 ADV R video and he’s had nothing but problems and I can assure you he hasn’t loved his ownership.
@@BigRockMotoahhh very cool! As you know he still doesn’t regret it. You’re the man Ian! Always looking forward to your next video and your experiences and opinions. Keep up the fine work and be safe! 🏍️💨
Agree with most of your comments. I bought the non-R 2023 890, very happy with it. I sold a 2018 KTM 1290 Super Adventure R and now have a 2006 Harley V-Rod VRSCR and a 1991 Suzuki DR650 along with the 890. The 1290 was amazing, I miss it to be honest. Motor was crazy good. But, I ride mostly alone and the bike was a bit too heavy for me to lift on my own. The 890 is a perfect combination of power and weight. Where I live in southern Ontario there are very few good trails (and I severely envy you) , so I went with the non-R. I can still do some light off-road and it works well on the road. I also use one of those seat covers, on my DR650, and really like it. I'll probably change the battery as you did, and I'm considering one of the Rottweiler airbox mods. Nothing crazy, probably the lowest level version. I use Lone Rider bags, bit expensive but I like the combination of soft but sort of hard (no innuendo intended). The only thing I didn't add this time around was a centre stand. Any time I need to do something that would require a centre stand, I'm usually home so I just throw a jack under the bike. Lastly, I wish this thing didn't have so much electronics. I ride with only the front ABS on, nothing else. The tech pack is an absolute necessity with this bike. With all of the traction control crap off, the bike feels like you would expect a 100hp bike to feel like. I know, it sounds like bravado, but I've been riding since 1972, and rode trials for a number of years, so throttle and brake control is very important to me. I highly recommend every motorcyclist ride trials for a little while.
I always enjoy your Adventure bike reviews, well balanced opinions are a breath of fresh air ! However, I find it interesting when ‘reviews’ talk about the ‘Dark art’ of ‘suspension’. It’s a no-brainer to me that if a bikes suspension ‘bottoms out’ often then this is causing great damage to your bikes suspension, seals, steering head, wheels and tyres. What’s the point of forcing a ‘road biased’ bike to do ‘off road’ riding ? Because ‘off road’ trails pose such challenging conditions…..often ‘spontaneous’ conditions, which the rider is charging blindly at, surely it would make sense to have the ‘premium’ KTM 890 R suspension which can cope with all the big hits which otherwise can cause such extensive damage, so sort of like ‘preventative maintenance’ mind set.
Recently bought the latest 790 Adventure. Would agree with all you say, but KTM skimp on brakes and silly things like self cancelling indicators, which for me are a must needed safety feature. These two things are a big issue for me.
I have 18k trouble free miles on my 2019 790. Checked the valves at 15k no need to adjust, all within specs. I have a 2016 KTM 690 so i figured why bother with the R. I figured if I’m riding off road (not talking about FSR or dirt/gravel roads) I have three other bikes, (two KTMS and one Beta) that can out do the 890 R with me on them any day of the week. Try the Shinko 705s. I’ve used them on a DR650, Super Tenere 1200, KTM 1190 and on my second set for my KTM 790. I get over 6k from the rear and last set I bought cost me $225 delivered to my door. They are great on pavement and as good or better than TKC 70s on dirt roads and gravel.
Can’t wait to hear of more news on the 2024 KTM 390 ADV. I hear the engine is getting a revamp and some others things are happening with it. Make for a fun little get around bike for getting around town to work and doing some mild off-roading.
I bought a base model 2021 890 recently after watching these videos. It sucks off-road, it's heavy and bottoms out on the most basic terrain. Lol. Great for backroads or street riding though.
I am strongly thinking to replace my 1290 SAR with this. Nothing wrong with my 1290, but I find that as I get older I do not anymore have the energy or power to move the bigger bike around.
Great video, Ian. I had much the same concerns buying a KTM. Mine is a 22 model non-R. I’ve done around 2,200 miles and honestly it’s been excellent. The starting thing has happened on occasion but never more than a few moments before it’s running on both cylinders sweetly. It’s great on fuel with a safe range of 250 miles with my riding. I wouldn’t trust the range reading towards the empty mark, that said. KTM need to address seats (although I hear the later one is better (hardly difficult). I’d like indicators that show which direction which would help in bust towns. I hate the inability to save the headlamp on as a default instead the daytime light which, to me, isn’t enough to warn myopic drivers you’re there. It’s still way more fun that my GSA or ATAS, great bikes though they both are. Keep up the great work. Cheers, Ian
I have the 2020 790R with around 20k miles. It’s been extremely fun to ride, even on street. It’s kinda difficult to have a chill ride offroad because it just begs to go fast. That being said, I’ve had numerous issues: no-start “immobilizer error” (fixed with new battery), air in brake lines, defective front brake rotor, and now just paid to diagnose and replace a faulty pulser coil that left me stranded. It’s been so fun to ride but it will definitely be my first and last KTM. As a brand they just feel cheap and I’d rather have a bike that starts and has less issues
I have a BMW R 1200 GSA, and a KTM 790 Adventure S. I use the KTM for wild camping trips, and the Beamer for road trips. At high speed and in the wind the KTM is like windsurfing, whereas the BMS is just planted on the road: rock solid.
Ian, your timing for this video is perfect. I’m exchanging emails today with a KTM dealership so I’m looking forward to watching this (replying in ADHD fashion as I start streaming)
I really like my Norden Expedition so far even though I've had the occasional cold start issue as well. The suspension is golden on the Expedition. Heading to Black Hills bdr-x next week with it.
I would still love to see a complete adventure bike kit for the 690. Lightweight and powerful. The svartpilen gets great reviews, so why is there no adv version?
I hit a little over 800 miles on my 2023 adv 890 R. I have the cold start issue, had a nasty fuel leak from the left tank petcock/fuel line. Dealer warranty it. I also get the turn signal screen for just a split second, but goes away. Doesn’t happen all the time. But I love how it rides and it’s got so much power for the trails.
I have the ’23 1290SA-R and I am really curious why I don’t have the electronic bugs like the 890’s do. I have almost 5k miles and the only problem so far was a leaky water pump housing which was covered under warranty. Now my buddies 890R has had a few of the mentioned glitches. That said, my 1290 is by far the most fun and capable ADV bike i have owned. I see why KTM owners will overlook the “gremlins” now that I am one.
@@travishimself1973 *90 is made in Austria - unless they just specialize in faulty water pumps. So, while the tie between electrical faults an country of origen is not strong, the tie between ignorance an racism is once again reinforced.
I bought AXP, it literaly survived 3 bike tip overs and one slow speed crash, side panel broke off. Lots of money down the drain. I do not recommend it.
Im surprised to hear about your issues. I have a 2022 KTM 890S and although i havent put many miles on it, its been trouble free. For our African tour i purchased a used 2019 790R and had, and apart from an oil seal, slight leak of coolant and front shock seal replacement, i managed 16,000 trouble free kilometers. Its very good in the rough, and im selling it with 32,000 ks on the clock
The cold start and warm up from cold is a lot better (not perfect) with a cat bypass. I put the Arrow Cat Bypass/remove on my R and I find it runs so much better, has more power, sounds better, and the cold start is so much easier. I find I only have to hit the start button once or twice to get her started in the morning now, before it took four or five times and it would quit a lot when it was cold. I do notice the unburned fuel smell now when it is cold though. Maybe that helps someone. It just runs so much better. Plus the cat weights six pounds and some change and the bypass weights less than a pound. I bet the titanium models are even lighter.
I enjoy your videos. I am an Aussie with 28,000 klm on my 1999 790R (early adopter). I had the coolant leak (seemed to only do it for a little while on start up - now fixed). Never had any start up issues even camping out well below zero. No other issues with the bike - at all. It is my dirt tourer always with luggage. Had the first valve adjustment and everything was sweet - the oil is always clean. I keep hearing the negatives - you seem to be hearing them more than me. It is a tough bike and an absolute hoot to ride - I see no real reason to get the 890R. I suppose you always need to talk up the bling to make your $. Mine has few mods and I don't see the need for almost all the stuff you talk about.
Big fan; appreciate how thoughtful your reviews are Ian. At 6’7” 280# I tested many. Only the 890R fit my chassis and felt like the dirt bike I had as a kid. Knock wood no issues so far; took new delivery April 23
Since Ed Deming showed us the way in the 1950s (e.g. Six Sigma and ISO 9000 style quality management systems), there is NO EXCUSE for ongoing quality issues... shame on you KTM! I'm considering selling my two current bikes (BMW R1100RS + Suzuki DRZ400) and downsizing to just one bike in my garage. I'd really like to put the KTM 890 Adventure on my short list, however ongoing KTM quality issues are going to push me towards a Yamaha T7... I just wish Yamaha would get off their butts and start importing the World Raid version into the USA.
On topic of suspension upgrade. If you look at the various KTM 890 Adventure R suspension forums / post, you'll see a lot of owners still have to get the WP Xplor suspension re-valved and tuned. So that's another $1,000 at least.
For me, as someone that will only own 1 bike at a time, reliability is key!!! Honestly don’t know how, with all the reviews from people over the years about the KTM reliability, how they keep selling. I know you all say they are fun, but I don’t need a $15,000 paper weight. My smiles come when I can actually ride the bike I’ve paid for. KTM Won’t start???!! That’s a huge issue. Thus I stayed with the reliability of a Honda. Love your reviews Ian!! And the great info across all bikes you review.
Hi Ian, thanks for the video. As a current 2021 890 R lwner, can you tell if you have dashboard condensation issues at all with the new TFT screen? Thanks
Eek, there are just a few too many issues around electronics and malfunctions from what you described. Everyone's risk tolerance is different but for me, it it just a bit too much for my taste. Bummer, because this could be an amazing around the world bike - just feels the electronic issues creep up too often and for too many riders for me to invest the cash. Maybe a future model - sign up me, KTM.
This was a great overview. I have the 790aR and its brilliant. I have ducks disease so if I ever swap it out it will be for the 890a as the lower seat height will be appreciated. But a well presented vid, thanks
Cold start issue for me is weird. If I fill up my tank from one particular gas station I get the issue much more frequently, almost every single time. If I fill up from a top tier station it only happens maybe one out of 30 times. I've had one other person confirm that the same thing happens to him. If you're filling up from a cheap no name gas station then try running a couple tanks of top-tier through it and see what happens.
Absolutely brilliant review Ian dad an I are looking at the 890s an Norden for our Norway trip :) great to see such honest reviews as its good to go in eyes open reviews like this will have more influence on me being prepared to buy an spend my money than the super infomercial vids that are unbalanced. Keep up the awesome work (former 390 owners who rejected one each with issues)
I really like that bike. However, I am still loving my Super Tenere after 5 years. I have ridden the mid size ADV bikes and anything over 450lbs is darn heavy. Still that 890 is a really well built machine for what it is. I would not get aggressive off road on any of these beasts.
Ian, curious about the wind deflector you are using and if you had to mod the windscreen lip to get it to work. Also, what happened to the Wings slip on? I have the 2023 890R, and after 6 months and 2500-mi, zero issues. The bike has been amazing for me so far, absolutely love it.
Picking up my new 890 R tomorrow, can't wait! It was going to regular one, but fate would have me on an R instead. Getting it for the same price as the regular, so can't complain. Already got the Wings exhaust ready to install. Thanks for all your reviews and info on gear, thanks Ian, it's super helpful. Will be picking up some gear from your affiliate links too.
had a antigravity battery just quit dead on the freeway, entire bike just shut down, cycling the key did nothing. ktm 1290 gt, was like 110f in traffic 15 by lake elsinore. pushed it to an offramp not easy given the heat and costed into town, had some Chipotle to contemplate my life choices as the most expensive bike I have ever owned was the first to leave me stranded(that wasint my fault). took the ice from my water and popped the seat and just threw it over the battery and a minute of cooling down the bike lit up. went straight for the 74 over to the coast where it was like 80 ish and went straight home in the right lane incase it happened again. i know it was the battery because its been in 117 near death valley withought issues on the stock led acid. its also low voltage i get a intermiten warning, whole dash flashes and boots be off of cruise control about the front brake light switch even though it works fine till I've been riding for a while and the battery charges back up. this bike has been a real problem child. ive had piles of other issues going down to the electrical system. fortunitly no fuel pump issues or water leaks or clutch slave cilender issues yet.
Great update thanks, I have the 22 model 890 adventure and done 2300 miles so far with only two issues, when I bought new the rear brake was binding I fixed myself, the other issue is wind buffeting which I’m still trying to solve, i have made it better from 100% buffeting down to 10%. I changed the screen to the r model and. Bought some rubber c shape extrusion and stuck it either side of the screen from top to bottom, this speed’s the air flow over your head.
My observation on the turn signal fault is that the turn signal cluster sits far from the left thumb, making it to where if you are gripping the handle bar too tightly and apply too much pressure on the switch itself (pressure forward versus left or right) that the fault would occur.
Hearing all these KTM issues has me leaning more towards a VStrom, either 650 or the 800. Sure, not the off road abilities of the KTM but at least it will start every time.
Thanks for the honest review. It isn't often that you fill find a KTM owner who is honest about reliability. Question: how does the stock Adventure suspension stack up to the stock T7? And modded vs modded since you recently owned both? Thanks
I feel like many of these technologically advanced bikes are hit and miss. Some owners have absolutely zero issues for 20k miles. Some owners have tons of problems, many of which have no real solution. It's a pretty common occurrence to hear horror stories of KTM techs keeping the bike for weeks, only to return it-not fixed. We're sorry, we dont know what is wrong, we dont know how to fix it, and the famous "well, it shouldn't be doing that" Yeah, no shit, it shouldn't be, but it is, and you guys won't/can't fix it. Buying one is a gamble. Sure, if a rider has multiple bikes to ride and deep pockets to boot, the KTM is fine.
Great update. I have owned a 2016 Super Adventure for the past 2 months but it has been in the shop so many times that I am likely to sell it. Reliability is a real concern. So no more KTM, Husqvarna, Gas Gas or CFMoto. Looks like its back to Triumph for me. It's a real shame as the 1290 has a wonderful motor when it doesn't sound like a sewing machine and the warning lights aren't flashing.
@@BigRockMoto😂😂 for me it would be JimmyJohns subs. I buy one and a drink, throw it in my tail bag and hit the road. When I find a place to stop for lunch it’s still in perfect condition and tastes fresh. Travels well. Lol ✌️
FWIW, the XT2 has a different connector which is a bit of a bummer if you share the Zumo between multiple bikes (I do this). It is, however, a decidedly nice upgrade. The Tread app is pretty sweet and the syncing of tracks built in the app to the device is reliable and useful when out on the trail.
great review and thanks for your usual honesty. KTM are great for fun and making you smile....for this I can accept some of its reliability issues....I would not do the same for a less fun bike that is more of status than anything else........
I'm waiting for the less expensive 790 Adventure (Made in China) to come to the US - I'm intrigued... Any info on when that will happen?? ...Thanks for another no BS review. 👍.
As far as mid size adventure bikes I had a 2018 KTM 1290 SAR and traded it in for a Husky 701 Enduro. For my style of riding the 890 would still be too cumbersome. I've realized I like lighter and simpler motorcycles although I had zero problems with my 1290 but did only put on 2250 miles.
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Thanks for your hard work!
If I was (which is unlikely, I generally prefer larger bikes as I don't go off road much). Probably the Ducati Multistrada V2 S or Desert X, Triumph tiger 900, Honda Africa Twin, or Norden 901/KTM 890 in around that order.
Maybe the Tiger 900 or the Aprilia 660 but I'm still wanting the sweet 500cc, light weight, comfortable ADV unicorn that I've been chasing all these years.
The V-Strom 800DE looks extremely interesting but the lack of cruise control almost kills it. My hand hurts when having to keep it in the same position hour after hour.
I am down to two models to choose from - this one and the Tuareg. I rented the KTM 890 Adventure (S) in Colorado and rode all over the place, on and off road, and the bike performed flawlessly. I am still looking at the Tuareg - 1. because it's cheaper and 2. Its weight is lower down and it's the lightest of the middleweights. Ian - besides the suspension being better on the Tuareg, what's your gut tell you between the two? I am worried about reliability on both of them LOL.
As someone who's not ridden regularly for 20 years, but hoping to get back into it, I really enjoy your channel and content. So much has changed. So thanks!
Awesome, thank you!
Same here. Bought an 07 honda 450x. I felt like i was 16 again, right up to the point i got flung off and broke my leg. But i still had a smile on my face. Just got back to work today after 7 weeks of healing and plan to get back on as soon as soon my wife is looking the other way 😂
Yeah... I'll go with Tenere 700
I sold my 2014 120GS with 95K miles and bought a 2021 KTM 890 Adventure R and road it for 10K miles and sold it to buy another BMW 1200GS. I found the 890 suspension high speed damping way too harsh and had it revalved a couple times and still to harsh. Power and handling is was outstanding and no mechanical problems. buffeting was horrible and tried several options and cheap eBay deflector helped. Seat sucked and got a Sargants. Ultimately I'm 72 and found the 890 harder to pick up than BMW as the KTM lays flat and the BMW eats miles better. at 72 I'm not getting crazy off road!
Should have gotten the 2023 basic KTM 890 Adventure not the R version, or even better Husqvarna Norden 901. They are better suited for the road, better comfort and handling, while being behind the R on offroad.
@@ionescugeorge2003 Your right, but at 72 the GS just works better for me.
thanks Ian , great reiew. i relly appreciate the fact that you can admit a mistake in a decision that the costs in upgrading the suspension was a mistake. (for you) . We all make mistakes ,but many cant admit it. its very helpful in helping us in not making the same costly mistake. your honesty and integrity help make your channel the go to spot for bike reviews!! imho
Reliability is number one on an adventure bike. Who wants a breakdown in the middle of nowhere
Which is a plus for the KTM as only major issue likely to leave you stranded is the immobiliser failure which usually happens within the first 500 miles of ownership if it's going to occur. Get that sorted and any other issues are just little niggles that allow you to carry on riding. ;)
@@defylifeadventure Rottweiller sells a bypass for that feature , which i did right away on my last few bikes as to eliminate that possible issue
@@defylifeadventure You mean like a broken rear shock? That never happens on a KTM or a Husky 🤔
@@northidrecluse2306 broken? Not heard of any break. Heard of some leaking fluid and getting sorted. IIRC a whole load o Huskys came from the factory with leaking shocks. If it happens on a trip though it doesn't leave you stranded. Still shit, if it happens buy you aren't stranded. On a new 790/890 I'd be more concerned about the immobiliser antenna.
@@defylifeadventure I read complaints all the time about the problems with most models. Enough to steer me away from buying one.
My local dealer is a dikweed too. It says, “Ready to Race” but I don’t have a pit crew to keep me on the track. Glad you like yours though
Great info, Ian. 3 years into a T7 & remain convinced it was the right choice for me. Yes, spent enough on aftermarket & getting suspension sorted to be in the KTM price range, but never wanted electronic wizardry & haven’t once worried about reliability. Software glitches on a motorcycle sound nearly oxymoronic to me & would definitely turn me off recommending any bike that has them.
Yeah, when I bought my T7 I thought about going for the 890, dealer had both, but couldn't pull the trigger. Think it was the right choice, don't need the headaches.
You know that the only electronic wizardry that the KTM has could leave you stranded is also the same electronics that the T7 has. i.e. an immobiliser which unfortunately the KTM has suffered some failures (my bike included). Other than that none of the electronic stuff can leave you stranded any more than it can on the Yamaha.
@@defylifeadventure the only immobilizer my T7 has is the side stand switch that got relocated to serve as a hidden manual one. Unaware if that’s changed on the newer models.
That & the abs switch make it one of the simplest modern bikes electronically speaking & what a lot of buyer decisions were based on. You’re unlikely to find many people agreeing KTM reliability is on par with Yamaha’s
cracking idea that ... the side stand switch
@@lessmore444
Well said. I am torn between 890 platform bikes at the moment, but still would love japanese reliability... There are a few things that if corrected on T7, all of my problems would be solved; like the exhaust / swing arm issue....
Great video! Have done 16.000 kilometers plus (ca 9942 miles) with mine (-23 standard). Only had two issues: engine conked out in rally mode once, around 10 000 kilometers. Bike just died. Started again right away with engine fault symbol. Rode normally thereafter. Two starts later, engine fault symbol gone. 6000 kilometers later, no repeats (software glitch?).
Cruise control doesn't like bike wash. CC cannot be activated for approx. 1hr. But then comes back. Clutch cluster replaced under warranty but it didn't help. Works fine when riding in rain. Else it's been fine. Considering the R but I'm less of an offroad rider than you. So might stick with it the standard, time will show. As for reliability well I am not so concerned. Before this I did 55 000 kilometers on a 2019 Super Adventure S with only one issue in 2yrs (starter clutch replaced under warranty). Had way more issues with beemers over the same period.
The 890 is the best option I've tried in the segment, with a considerable margin. Cheers and thanks for all your excellent videos! :)
Best Bike ever, i own the R Modell now 35000km with zero issues and 100 percent fun
My 21 890R has been the funnest bike ever! I would buy another if it disappeared.
Absolutely trouble free. @ 20,000 miles I havent had to even adjust the chain.
Local dealer sold 14 21 890R's, not one has come back with an issue. None of the 790's hes sold have had problems.
The internet is trying to kill KTM over a cam shaft issue that very rarely ever happens. KTM is covering any that do happen, even sending refunds for those that happened years ago. There's no bike like an 890R, nor is there one like my 690 Enduro.
I'd get the left control cluster looked at by the dealer. Mine had a pinched cable, which affected the turn signal. My dealer was excellent and had caught this before I took delivery and changed it out immediately. I have 6000km on my 2023 890 non-r. It's an excellent compromise bike. Few cold start issues, but changing to midgrade fuel and allowing the fuel pump to 'click off' once keying the bike on, seems to have gotten rid of any issues with cold start. I'm using the Motoz GPS rear and Motoz Rallyz front. We do tons of gravel travel.
My wish...KTM should make an adventure chassis version of the 690 with side gas tanks.
Thanks Ian!
I have a 22 Ktm Adv R Here’s my short take
Upon delivery my lead acid battery was bad, dealer replaced with upgraded battery no charge. Some people say the lead batteries were causing immobilizer issues, maybe true I don’t know.
After riding for 1 year approx 3200 miles, I’ve had these problems…
Cold start up. Dealer said reported problem goes away after break in period. I can confirm it has never gone away.
These issues dealer fixed under warranty
Rear shock leaking.
Moisture under screen.
Quick shifter. Hard down shift from 5th to 4th Dealer said needed a software update and no problems with that since.
Overall I love my bike! Yes there are few somewhat small annoyances I’ve experienced , but if you can work with your dealer to get them fixed the 890 adventure bikes are extremely fun to ride!
Thanks for all your motorcycle reviews Ian
I have a 2019 Husky 501 I’ve kitted for my dual sport rides. It’ll go 80mph on the highway and once offroad it’s so easy to go nearly anywhere. I also rode a KTM 890 on road in the Swiss, German and Italian Alps this last summer. Friend was on a GS and I had now problems keeping up with him. Now I’m considering an 890R, and your honest review is giving me the confidence to move forward on that decision. Thanks for this. I’m 63 and maybe I want to spend more time on roads and fire trails than the technical stuff. But I’m still keeping the Husky! 😮
Thank you for being honest about the suspension path and upgrade assessment. Shows integrity.
The big "problem" with your theory #2 is that many folks thinking of getting an 890 are convinced they're the target market (expert off road rider) of the R model LOL.
In the same vein, imo the standard 890 should come with a 19/17 wheelset. It will better serve the vast majority of owners better than the 21/18 setup.
With ~ 280,000 miles of LC8 ownership, I think the reliability of the big KTMs has been excellent. Here's my TOTAL list of failures:
- 950S- clutch slave, clutch- all within 30,000 miles. Clutch was my fault- got myself in a swamp situation that caused the wear
- 950SM- clutch slave/water pump/shaft seal, fuel pump- all with less than 20,000 miles- no more failures to almost 65,000 miles. Easy/inexpensive aftermarket solutions
- 950SE- fuel pump and water pump shaft/seal replaced before failure- nothing else in ~45,000 miles
- 990 Dakar- clogged fuel filter caused rough running; otherwise faultless in ~30,000 miles
- 990 Superduke- no issues ~25,000 miles
- 990 SMT- no failures_ 34,000 miles (still have)
- 1190 Adventure- weak starter and leaking fork seal replaced in under 15,000 miles- other no issues & currently ~63,000 miles (still have);
I know/knew/ride with a lot (well over a dozen) folks who own larger KTMs- most pretty good on/off road riders- and their experience parallels mine.
I get it- people have a compulsive need to bitch- especially in "public". I suspect that as aggravating as some things KTM does wrt letting design choice issues linger (950 fuel pump/wp shaft seal/clutch slave anyone lol), the underlying platforms are rock solid- especially when they're used to their potential.
And for the record- my Ducati/Italian/Moto Guzzi , even my Moto Morin Camel LOL, ownership has also been very good. As has my Japanese mc ownership.
Another great video as usual. Was worried you weren't going to post additional episode after you upgraded to the R. Thanks so much for the added insight. After almost endless turmoil reseraching my next bike, I kept coming back to the 890 for many of the reasons you stated, even despite the potential reliability issues. Was torn between the Tiger, Vstrom, Taureg, but ultimately chose the KTM. I am so impressed by the power, how it handles, the low center mass is awesome and just sticks to any surface I've ridden. I'm going to use the CRF300 as my project bike, still love riding it as well. Thanks Ian for expertise!
Big Rock has probably been thru 10 bikes since this video. All are great for about a month.
I have moved away from KTM long ago. It just doesn't make sense to me to pay a premium price for a bike you have to constantly fix, worry about and can't depend on to get you home.
What bike have you moved to?
I’m getting ready to buy my first middleweight adv bike (or I should say… my first ADV bike)… this one was on my radar but I’m feeling like the 850GS might be the way to go after seeing this.
@@TerraMagnus Bike choices depend on the personality types and cash flow of the buyer. Yes this should go without saying but it really isn't discussed much in reviews. If you have money to burn and aren't the type to get too far off the beaten path then I think KTM is great! Lots of fun and excellent power and handling. However if you are not blessed with disposable cash you may want something that you don't have to buy and then fix. Or maybe your personality wants to take you way out of reception, which is my case, and you actually don't want to die out there because your bike doesn't work. I also won't ride BMWs or anything else where you have to run to a dealer all the time to get anything done. That isn't the type of person I am. I like working on my own stuff with regular tools. Not saying BMWs are bad. Just saying they don't match my personality or riding style. If you ride hard then the 850 suspension will immediately disappoint you. This is a road machine and gravel road at best. Which again comes down to you. Most people are emotional buyers over practical buyers. What are you actually going to do with it and what are your actual riding skills? Chris Birch has sold so many bikes for KTM because people emotionally think they can do what he is doing. Only to find out that they are squids and turn out to be terrified of the bikes they bought unless only ran on pavement. Be real with yourself in whatever regard and you will do just fine in your purchase. Pretend to be something you are not then ultimately your purchase will not be as useful.
@@WhatTimeIsIt369 I’ve been riding about 30 years, but mostly on British classics and American cruisers. Currently riding a Royal Enfield Interceptor 650. I’ve got the disposable income (tech worker). But I’m looking to upgrade to be able to go on multi thousand mile trips without my ass falling off. So yes, my comments are from the perspective of someone who doesn’t want to travel on an unreliable bike.
@@marcusplyon To be fair I still love KTM dirtbikes. As far as any adventure bike they have made there is one that stands out and that is the KTM 1090. Still has issues but not near as many as the laundry list the 890 has. If I remember correctly the 1090 is also assembled in Austria. Definitely not where the 890 is assembled. What have I moved on to? Depends a bit on your point of view. I have gone away from the mid purpose category and leaned more towards purpose. But for mid purpose bikes I'd choose the T700 any day of the week over what others have to offer. Africa Twin for more road oriented adventures although are quite capable if you are a decent offroad rider. Don't kid yourself with that concept either. I big bike is a different world than a dirt bike. And on the other side of the scale I have built up a lighter weight adv bike. A ktm dirtbike. Having said that it is a little too light. And I can't believe I am going to say this but I may buy a KOVE. AJP7 would be amazing but pretty much can't get them and not 100% reliable but then nothing is. Every bike has something. Unless you get a Vstrom and they almost always are completely reliable with almost no issues. Modify the suspension with the thousands of dollars you saved and you will have a great bike. It doesn't have the status of a Ferrari but dependable like a Honda accord.
Great content thanks 🙏. I after nearly 7 years I sold my KTM 1290 SA T loved it. Picking up a brand new 890R this Saturday can’t wait !!!!
Thanks for explaining about the 890. Top-focused content, as usual. For people concerned about bikes with too much tech that may break, there is the DR650. It's about as pure and simple as a bike can get. The DR may still be competitive with modern bikes and not just the typical XR650/KLR the DR usually compares with.
Yep or the T7, I like to think of the T7 as a modern DR650, ultra reliable and minimal tech that will be around for many years and become an icon like the DR and KLR
Had a DR650 and it is a nice bike. Gas tank too small for adventure use. Bout my only complaint.
@@oakdalegirl57 I plan to upgrade to a bigger gas tank, comfortable saddle, and suspension to improve the bike in many ways.
I had an 890R. Made a lot of tweaks to it in an effort to make it a unicorn bike. In the end I sold it. I came to realise that for my abilities The 890R (and midsize ADVs) are jacks of all trades and masters of none. I found the bike to be just too big and heavy offroad. At the same time it wasn’t the most comfortable on road. I was fortunate enough to be able to sell it and purchase a 1290 super adventure S and a Honda CRF300L with upgraded Rally Raid suspension. For me the 1290 covers the bases for long distance and road touring with some light fire road riding and the 300 covers more adventurous (for me) riding and light weight touring.
awesome!
Try a 690, 2019 or newer. Not much heavier than a CRF300L but with 75 HP.
Really Fun!
Hey Ian, I bought that bike at the beginning of the year, and my turn signals stopped working after a 20 mile ride home from the dealer. After much wasted time they ended up replacing the whole wiring harness to fix it. Also it has a loose steering head bearing. The bike is great when it works. I still only have 600 miles on mine. Thank you for your content!
This is the benchmark for almost every other motorcycle review you make, and for good reason. I bought mine because you kept mentioning it all the time. Best bike I've ever owned. Commuting and dirt roads and unmarked logging trails, this thing is a monster everywhere. I'm 150lb so the suspension is plenty for me. Thanks for the content
NOW convince me to buy a drz400
Lol - I have the DRZ400s and if you want simple, super reliable, apacolypse ready, dirt worthy but limited on the street, it's great.
I have 890 adventure 2022. I ride it pretty slow, but on a single track in Ontario, Canada . I've bottomed it and dropped it at least five times every time I took it to the trail. No problems whatsoever. Best bike ever
Great review much appreciated. KTM make some great bikes unfortunately reliability and dealer back up here in the UK are very questionable.
I love KTM performance, but the reliability keeps me from purchasing one. Also, my closest dealer in Nashville is an hour away. They don't seem to care about reliability and when you're adbventuring in the middle of nowhere, reliability is crucial.
Exactly why I went with the Transalp 750. I ride in mountains alone with no cell coverage, reliability is a must have for piece of mind and enjoyment 😦
after almost 8k km i don't regret buying Norden Expedition. Cold start issue disapears after 1,5-2k km. Now always start with no problem. No problem with electronic either.
And how versatile this platform is amazes me. From asphalt tourer to dirt machine.
We have had issues with the traction control on 2 of these bikes. We did a trip put to Colorado and rented one, and the traction control would "fail" and disable itself, a software issue that could sometimes be fixed by cycling the key. We liked the bike enough that my father bought one when we came back east, and have had the same issue. Another problem I had on my 890 out west was with the quickshifter, the bike would drop back into neutral after shifting into 2nd and sometimes third, which was alarming when passing traffic. It happened once while I was passing a truck and accidently banging off the rev limiter with no power was very scary.
I so badly want an 890 but I really don't want to deal with the QC issues. The Facebook pages for the 890 platform (Husky and KTM) are non stop issues. I'm part of all the mid weight adv pages and I dont see the level of issues and complaints, not even close.
Nice review! Regarding reliability, I’ve been reading comments on the KTM 890 Adventure FB page, and it’s mixed. Many owners have no problems whatsoever, while others have problems most commonly with (1) the cold start, (2) the front tire leaking, and (3) misc. electronics issues that require a return to the dealer. Quality control issues at the factory? However, nearly all 890 owners I’ve seen on FB love the bike and vehemently defend it. For myself, I’ve decided to not buy an 890 this year and possibly wait until the 2024 model year, see if KTM can fix bugs on what looks to be an amazing ADV bike. Thanks again for the review.
I wouldn’t expect KTM to fix the issues in 2024. They stilled haven’t fixed some issues that came with the 790 in 2019. 😂
I’ll say it again; You either care about high performance and buy a KTM or you care about reliability and buy Japanese.
You can wait and hope or you can understand nothing will be perfect and just go ride. Honda plays it safe, BMW is conservative and heavy. KTM has poor quality control but fun aggressive bikes. I own BMW, Honda, Harley, Ducati and 2 KTM's. Each has its own limitations.
" nearly all 890 owners I’ve seen on FB love the bike and vehemently defend it" There is no way back. So they will defend their expensive purchase till death. I am looking for a new bike and I see that it will not be the ktm...
Thanks for recommending the Cool Cover Seat. I was a bit dubious about it but it really does work. Saved my butt on a 3 hour ride in Dallas this weekend in 110 degree heat! My only issue was the velcro straps were sewn into wrong location on my version. Nothing a couple of staples couldn't fix.
My 890r is the best bike I have ever owned. Very dependable. 9000 flawless miles.
I really wish a Japanese manufacturer would step up and make something comparable to the ktm 890.
I refuse to buy a ktm with all the known reliability and tech gremlin type issues.
But it’s also hard to buy a bike like a tenere or a vstrom 800 that doesn’t quite have everything you want in a bike. Frustrating.
Basically I want a ktm 890 adventure r …. But built by Yamaha. I’d happily pay thousands more then the current price of the ktm just to have the quality of Yamaha on a bike with those features ,
Same lol ...I heard about a T900 🤷
You notice, all the guys checking in on here with 890's with zero problems?
That is very common with these bikes. No one builds a bike that performs like an 890, no one. The internet decides to destroy something it never stops, thats what it is doing to KTM now. Trying hard to make it seem like all KTM 's die. They dont.
My KTM dealer mech said they have lots of problems with bikes and lithium ion batts. Just passing on what he said.
Try doing the computer reset; disconnect the batt, the take the bikes pos and neg and touch them together for 10 sec.
Install your lead acid battery and see if you problems go away.
Do not short the battery!
I know you wont but others might not understand.
I finally gave up on my ‘22 890 Adventure and traded it away. I experienced all the same problems you had as well as the obligatory coolant leak. I could never bring myself to trust it on a tour, just never knew what might glitch next. Something to try, I found if I cracked the throttle open about 3mm before cranking, and held it there until I saw engine temperature on the gauge, it wold start and run without stalling or running on one cylinder.
I cant ever see me buying one, until they become more reliable, its a shame, because otherwise i think they make a really great bike.
Great review. I have thought about selling my 2019 Adventure R and going with the Adventure model too. Turns out these bikes are too heavy for me for serious off road, so I can use my 500 EXC for that. But you can't beat the 790/890s for exploring and normal adventures.
Ian, given all the software and mechanical glitches you mentioned, I'm not sure I could go with KTM. Doesn't sound dependable enough and don't want to worry about reliability when I'm 100 miles in the backcountry!
Thanks for the honest reviews, especially on the 890 adventure. I recently parted with my 08 DL 1000 that I bought new and decided to take it off road during COVID to places it had no business being. Almost zero reliability issues to that point - so knowing about KTM issues is important. I may still buy the 890 but at least I'm doing it eyes wide open. Just bought a BRM t-shirt to say thank you. Keep it up!
Damn I've really been considering a Duke 890R but have stayed away because of videos like this. Come on KTM!
Thanks for the link Ian. I wish it were for a more positive happy reason! Keep up your fantastically detailed and well-thought-out reviews.
Thanks, you too!
Be anxious to see what you say. Guessing you still love it, as it’s an amazing bike. I love my 901 Expedition.
BUT I flipped over just now from John Young’s 890 ADV R video and he’s had nothing but problems and I can assure you he hasn’t loved his ownership.
I linked to his video
@@BigRockMotoahhh very cool! As you know he still doesn’t regret it.
You’re the man Ian! Always looking forward to your next video and your experiences and opinions.
Keep up the fine work and be safe!
🏍️💨
Agree with most of your comments. I bought the non-R 2023 890, very happy with it. I sold a 2018 KTM 1290 Super Adventure R and now have a 2006 Harley V-Rod VRSCR and a 1991 Suzuki DR650 along with the 890. The 1290 was amazing, I miss it to be honest. Motor was crazy good. But, I ride mostly alone and the bike was a bit too heavy for me to lift on my own. The 890 is a perfect combination of power and weight. Where I live in southern Ontario there are very few good trails (and I severely envy you) , so I went with the non-R. I can still do some light off-road and it works well on the road.
I also use one of those seat covers, on my DR650, and really like it. I'll probably change the battery as you did, and I'm considering one of the Rottweiler airbox mods. Nothing crazy, probably the lowest level version. I use Lone Rider bags, bit expensive but I like the combination of soft but sort of hard (no innuendo intended). The only thing I didn't add this time around was a centre stand. Any time I need to do something that would require a centre stand, I'm usually home so I just throw a jack under the bike.
Lastly, I wish this thing didn't have so much electronics. I ride with only the front ABS on, nothing else. The tech pack is an absolute necessity with this bike. With all of the traction control crap off, the bike feels like you would expect a 100hp bike to feel like. I know, it sounds like bravado, but I've been riding since 1972, and rode trials for a number of years, so throttle and brake control is very important to me. I highly recommend every motorcyclist ride trials for a little while.
I always enjoy your Adventure bike reviews, well balanced opinions are a breath of fresh air ! However, I find it interesting when ‘reviews’ talk about the ‘Dark art’ of ‘suspension’. It’s a no-brainer to me that if a bikes suspension ‘bottoms out’ often then this is causing great damage to your bikes suspension, seals, steering head, wheels and tyres. What’s the point of forcing a ‘road biased’ bike to do ‘off road’ riding ? Because ‘off road’ trails pose such challenging conditions…..often ‘spontaneous’ conditions, which the rider is charging blindly at, surely it would make sense to have the ‘premium’ KTM 890 R suspension which can cope with all the big hits which otherwise can cause such extensive damage, so sort of like ‘preventative maintenance’ mind set.
Thanks
Recently bought the latest 790 Adventure. Would agree with all you say, but KTM skimp on brakes and silly things like self cancelling indicators, which for me are a must needed safety feature. These two things are a big issue for me.
I have 18k trouble free miles on my 2019 790. Checked the valves at 15k no need to adjust, all within specs. I have a 2016 KTM 690 so i figured why bother with the R. I figured if I’m riding off road (not talking about FSR or dirt/gravel roads) I have three other bikes, (two KTMS and one Beta) that can out do the 890 R with me on them any day of the week.
Try the Shinko 705s. I’ve used them on a DR650, Super Tenere 1200, KTM 1190 and on my second set for my KTM 790. I get over 6k from the rear and last set I bought cost me $225 delivered to my door. They are great on pavement and as good or better than TKC 70s on dirt roads and gravel.
Can’t wait to hear of more news on the 2024 KTM 390 ADV. I hear the engine is getting a revamp and some others things are happening with it. Make for a fun little get around bike for getting around town to work and doing some mild off-roading.
Best bike 390
Light and powerful
I bought a base model 2021 890 recently after watching these videos. It sucks off-road, it's heavy and bottoms out on the most basic terrain. Lol. Great for backroads or street riding though.
I am strongly thinking to replace my 1290 SAR with this. Nothing wrong with my 1290, but I find that as I get older I do not anymore have the energy or power to move the bigger bike around.
Great video, Ian. I had much the same concerns buying a KTM. Mine is a 22 model non-R. I’ve done around 2,200 miles and honestly it’s been excellent. The starting thing has happened on occasion but never more than a few moments before it’s running on both cylinders sweetly. It’s great on fuel with a safe range of 250 miles with my riding. I wouldn’t trust the range reading towards the empty mark, that said. KTM need to address seats (although I hear the later one is better (hardly difficult). I’d like indicators that show which direction which would help in bust towns. I hate the inability to save the headlamp on as a default instead the daytime light which, to me, isn’t enough to warn myopic drivers you’re there. It’s still way more fun that my GSA or ATAS, great bikes though they both are. Keep up the great work. Cheers, Ian
I have the 2020 790R with around 20k miles. It’s been extremely fun to ride, even on street. It’s kinda difficult to have a chill ride offroad because it just begs to go fast.
That being said, I’ve had numerous issues: no-start “immobilizer error” (fixed with new battery), air in brake lines, defective front brake rotor, and now just paid to diagnose and replace a faulty pulser coil that left me stranded.
It’s been so fun to ride but it will definitely be my first and last KTM. As a brand they just feel cheap and I’d rather have a bike that starts and has less issues
I have a BMW R 1200 GSA, and a KTM 790 Adventure S. I use the KTM for wild camping trips, and the Beamer for road trips. At high speed and in the wind the KTM is like windsurfing, whereas the BMS is just planted on the road: rock solid.
Good video. Suggestion; I understand suspension feel may be hard to illustrate but things like brightness if aftermarket lights you can just show us.
Ian, your timing for this video is perfect. I’m exchanging emails today with a KTM dealership so I’m looking forward to watching this (replying in ADHD fashion as I start streaming)
I really like my Norden Expedition so far even though I've had the occasional cold start issue as well. The suspension is golden on the Expedition. Heading to Black Hills bdr-x next week with it.
Me too man! Got 5200 miles on my Expedition and love it! Wish I could make the black hills.
Enjoy and be safe! 🏍️💨
My suspension broke after 4000 miles on the expediition😢
@boesetobias how? Broke or cooked the rear shock? It's the same basic suspension from the 890r.
I don´t comment often but this time after watching the whole video i have to. Your channel is pure GOLD!
I would still love to see a complete adventure bike kit for the 690. Lightweight and powerful. The svartpilen gets great reviews, so why is there no adv version?
I hit a little over 800 miles on my 2023 adv 890 R. I have the cold start issue, had a nasty fuel leak from the left tank petcock/fuel line. Dealer warranty it. I also get the turn signal screen for just a split second, but goes away. Doesn’t happen all the time. But I love how it rides and it’s got so much power for the trails.
I have the ’23 1290SA-R and I am really curious why I don’t have the electronic bugs like the 890’s do. I have almost 5k miles and the only problem so far was a leaky water pump housing which was covered under warranty. Now my buddies 890R has had a few of the mentioned glitches.
That said, my 1290 is by far the most fun and capable ADV bike i have owned. I see why KTM owners will overlook the “gremlins” now that I am one.
The 890 is made in china by CFMoto so that prob explains it.
@@travishimself1973 *90 is made in Austria - unless they just specialize in faulty water pumps. So, while the tie between electrical faults an country of origen is not strong, the tie between ignorance an racism is once again reinforced.
I bought AXP, it literaly survived 3 bike tip overs and one slow speed crash, side panel broke off. Lots of money down the drain. I do not recommend it.
Update: I wrote to AXP, they are willing to send me new skidplate 👍
Im surprised to hear about your issues. I have a 2022 KTM 890S and although i havent put many miles on it, its been trouble free. For our African tour i purchased a used 2019 790R and had, and apart from an oil seal, slight leak of coolant and front shock seal replacement, i managed 16,000 trouble free kilometers. Its very good in the rough, and im selling it with 32,000 ks on the clock
The cold start and warm up from cold is a lot better (not perfect) with a cat bypass. I put the Arrow Cat Bypass/remove on my R and I find it runs so much better, has more power, sounds better, and the cold start is so much easier. I find I only have to hit the start button once or twice to get her started in the morning now, before it took four or five times and it would quit a lot when it was cold. I do notice the unburned fuel smell now when it is cold though. Maybe that helps someone. It just runs so much better. Plus the cat weights six pounds and some change and the bypass weights less than a pound. I bet the titanium models are even lighter.
Thanks for the review...after hearing about the issues that KTM has with their bikes I don't think that I would ever consider one!
Me too, i'll stick with good old reliable Honda Africa Twin.
@@ozzie7523Stay hydrated
I enjoy your videos. I am an Aussie with 28,000 klm on my 1999 790R (early adopter). I had the coolant leak (seemed to only do it for a little while on start up - now fixed). Never had any start up issues even camping out well below zero. No other issues with the bike - at all. It is my dirt tourer always with luggage. Had the first valve adjustment and everything was sweet - the oil is always clean. I keep hearing the negatives - you seem to be hearing them more than me. It is a tough bike and an absolute hoot to ride - I see no real reason to get the 890R. I suppose you always need to talk up the bling to make your $. Mine has few mods and I don't see the need for almost all the stuff you talk about.
Big fan; appreciate how thoughtful your reviews are Ian. At 6’7” 280# I tested many. Only the 890R fit my chassis and felt like the dirt bike I had as a kid. Knock wood no issues so far; took new delivery April 23
Best mod is to de-cat and get a new muffler. I also think the best skid plate is the Black Dog skidplate. Super robust.
I found the cold start issue does not happen if you let the system fully boot up prior to pushing the starter (about 10 seconds)
Since Ed Deming showed us the way in the 1950s (e.g. Six Sigma and ISO 9000 style quality management systems), there is NO EXCUSE for ongoing quality issues... shame on you KTM! I'm considering selling my two current bikes (BMW R1100RS + Suzuki DRZ400) and downsizing to just one bike in my garage. I'd really like to put the KTM 890 Adventure on my short list, however ongoing KTM quality issues are going to push me towards a Yamaha T7... I just wish Yamaha would get off their butts and start importing the World Raid version into the USA.
Im on my 3rd KTM, 1290adv, 1190 adv r and now a 1290 super adv. About 50k kms in total and not a days trouble.
On topic of suspension upgrade. If you look at the various KTM 890 Adventure R suspension forums / post, you'll see a lot of owners still have to get the WP Xplor suspension re-valved and tuned. So that's another $1,000 at least.
For me, as someone that will only own 1 bike at a time, reliability is key!!! Honestly don’t know how, with all the reviews from people over the years about the KTM reliability, how they keep selling. I know you all say they are fun, but I don’t need a $15,000 paper weight. My smiles come when I can actually ride the bike I’ve paid for. KTM Won’t start???!! That’s a huge issue. Thus I stayed with the reliability of a Honda. Love your reviews Ian!! And the great info across all bikes you review.
Hi Ian, thanks for the video. As a current 2021 890 R lwner, can you tell if you have dashboard condensation issues at all with the new TFT screen? Thanks
Same problem from new, waiting for a replacement part form ktm since April 2022. Utterly fed up with them. The 2023 model has a better TFT
Eek, there are just a few too many issues around electronics and malfunctions from what you described. Everyone's risk tolerance is different but for me, it it just a bit too much for my taste. Bummer, because this could be an amazing around the world bike - just feels the electronic issues creep up too often and for too many riders for me to invest the cash.
Maybe a future model - sign up me, KTM.
This was a great overview. I have the 790aR and its brilliant. I have ducks disease so if I ever swap it out it will be for the 890a as the lower seat height will be appreciated. But a well presented vid, thanks
Cold start issue for me is weird. If I fill up my tank from one particular gas station I get the issue much more frequently, almost every single time. If I fill up from a top tier station it only happens maybe one out of 30 times. I've had one other person confirm that the same thing happens to him. If you're filling up from a cheap no name gas station then try running a couple tanks of top-tier through it and see what happens.
Absolutely brilliant review Ian dad an I are looking at the 890s an Norden for our Norway trip :) great to see such honest reviews as its good to go in eyes open reviews like this will have more influence on me being prepared to buy an spend my money than the super infomercial vids that are unbalanced.
Keep up the awesome work (former 390 owners who rejected one each with issues)
Love riding KTM's but I stopped buying them after endless reliability issues and poor dealer support. A shame as they are very exciting on the road.
Danke!
Thank you!
I really like that bike. However, I am still loving my Super Tenere after 5 years. I have ridden the mid size ADV bikes and anything over 450lbs is darn heavy. Still that 890 is a really well built machine for what it is. I would not get aggressive off road on any of these beasts.
Ian, curious about the wind deflector you are using and if you had to mod the windscreen lip to get it to work. Also, what happened to the Wings slip on?
I have the 2023 890R, and after 6 months and 2500-mi, zero issues. The bike has been amazing for me so far, absolutely love it.
Could you comment on the Norden 901 compared to the 2023 890 adventure. Interested in buying one.
Thanks
Picking up my new 890 R tomorrow, can't wait! It was going to regular one, but fate would have me on an R instead. Getting it for the same price as the regular, so can't complain. Already got the Wings exhaust ready to install. Thanks for all your reviews and info on gear, thanks Ian, it's super helpful. Will be picking up some gear from your affiliate links too.
had a antigravity battery just quit dead on the freeway, entire bike just shut down, cycling the key did nothing. ktm 1290 gt, was like 110f in traffic 15 by lake elsinore. pushed it to an offramp not easy given the heat and costed into town, had some Chipotle to contemplate my life choices as the most expensive bike I have ever owned was the first to leave me stranded(that wasint my fault). took the ice from my water and popped the seat and just threw it over the battery and a minute of cooling down the bike lit up. went straight for the 74 over to the coast where it was like 80 ish and went straight home in the right lane incase it happened again. i know it was the battery because its been in 117 near death valley withought issues on the stock led acid. its also low voltage i get a intermiten warning, whole dash flashes and boots be off of cruise control about the front brake light switch even though it works fine till I've been riding for a while and the battery charges back up.
this bike has been a real problem child. ive had piles of other issues going down to the electrical system. fortunitly no fuel pump issues or water leaks or clutch slave cilender issues yet.
What year is your bike?
Great update thanks, I have the 22 model 890 adventure and done 2300 miles so far with only two issues, when I bought new the rear brake was binding I fixed myself, the other issue is wind buffeting which I’m still trying to solve, i have made it better from 100% buffeting down to 10%.
I changed the screen to the r model and. Bought some rubber c shape extrusion and stuck it either side of the screen from top to bottom, this speed’s the air flow over your head.
My observation on the turn signal fault is that the turn signal cluster sits far from the left thumb, making it to where if you are gripping the handle bar too tightly and apply too much pressure on the switch itself (pressure forward versus left or right) that the fault would occur.
Very honest review as always ian,thanks.
Hearing all these KTM issues has me leaning more towards a VStrom, either 650 or the 800. Sure, not the off road abilities of the KTM but at least it will start every time.
Great as always thank you Ian. Do you have any thoughts on the cam issue these bikes have?
The Norden also loses the top quick selecter setting IF you start the bike before the dash is finished going through it's startup sequence
Thanks for the honest review. It isn't often that you fill find a KTM owner who is honest about reliability.
Question: how does the stock Adventure suspension stack up to the stock T7? And modded vs modded since you recently owned both? Thanks
Ian A very nice and informative video as always ,a pleasure to watch.👌✌
I feel like many of these technologically advanced bikes are hit and miss. Some owners have absolutely zero issues for 20k miles. Some owners have tons of problems, many of which have no real solution. It's a pretty common occurrence to hear horror stories of KTM techs keeping the bike for weeks, only to return it-not fixed. We're sorry, we dont know what is wrong, we dont know how to fix it, and the famous "well, it shouldn't be doing that"
Yeah, no shit, it shouldn't be, but it is, and you guys won't/can't fix it.
Buying one is a gamble.
Sure, if a rider has multiple bikes to ride and deep pockets to boot, the KTM is fine.
Your reviews are great!! I feel you are unbiased and willing to accpt the scorn of manufactures, which is to our benefit. Thank you!
Do you have any plans for getting the 850GS/GSA for a long term review? I think thats one of the main middleweights you have not reviewed long term.
Great update. I have owned a 2016 Super Adventure for the past 2 months but it has been in the shop so many times that I am likely to sell it. Reliability is a real concern. So no more KTM, Husqvarna, Gas Gas or CFMoto. Looks like its back to Triumph for me. It's a real shame as the 1290 has a wonderful motor when it doesn't sound like a sewing machine and the warning lights aren't flashing.
Damn, you know Ian's finally made it when he's getting a Coca-Cola Sponsorship!
haha. the big one will be an Arby's sponsorship
@@BigRockMoto😂😂 for me it would be JimmyJohns subs. I buy one and a drink, throw it in my tail bag and hit the road. When I find a place to stop for lunch it’s still in perfect condition and tastes fresh. Travels well. Lol ✌️
FWIW, the XT2 has a different connector which is a bit of a bummer if you share the Zumo between multiple bikes (I do this). It is, however, a decidedly nice upgrade. The Tread app is pretty sweet and the syncing of tracks built in the app to the device is reliable and useful when out on the trail.
Ian your just a throwing out the new videos lately! I Like it!
great review and thanks for your usual honesty. KTM are great for fun and making you smile....for this I can accept some of its reliability issues....I would not do the same for a less fun bike that is more of status than anything else........
I'm waiting for the less expensive 790 Adventure (Made in China) to come to the US - I'm intrigued... Any info on when that will happen?? ...Thanks for another no BS review. 👍.
Again a very honest review. Thank you for sharing all the issues.
As far as mid size adventure bikes I had a 2018 KTM 1290 SAR and traded it in for a Husky 701 Enduro. For my style of riding the 890 would still be too cumbersome. I've realized I like lighter and simpler motorcycles although I had zero problems with my 1290 but did only put on 2250 miles.