The photo on the thumbnail is the album art of Oxygen Album by Jean Michel Jarre. I'm a big fan of Jarre,Peterson and you dear Chris. I just noticed that and wanted to express my feelings. 🥰
Please don't use click bait. This title and picture is feeding into a culture of fear porn. Please... It's a really good interview, but may I ask you not to feed the fear porn.
Hi interesting convo. You guys should talk about the upcoming zombie apocalypse. I know it's coming cause in my country belize some people who get sick with covid and go to the hospital are chosen to be tested on. They are infected with a zombie infection then poisoned or druged to study the reanimation. I am also infected and got infected while having to go through quarantine upon re-entering the country. It was a laced covid swab and I got sick after that day. My health had been declining since and I'm doing my best to fight it. I am in much pain and I can feel my body changing slowly and it hurts. I have no idea who to contact for help and can't go to the authorities since they are involved in having these tests done I fear I would be killed to cover up the story so I'm hesitant to make videos about my experience and pos5 it on youtube. Just hoping I can supress the infection long enough that my body adapts.
I would argue that the *depopulation phenomenon* goes back to _Noah's Ark._ Academically, however, the *depopulation discussion* is seen in Lord Byron, William Wordsworth, Shakespeare to Charles Darwin, etc. And given the history of governments and religious dogma, you can say that depopulation, i.e. *ethnic cleansing* goes back to the _CHRISTIAN/MUSLIM CRUSADES._ And let's not forget that the *Vatican* played the puppeteer role in the deadly war. At any rate, the point is that the depopulation talks are well-documented throughout mankind. Moreover, it is the so-called -self-proclaimed masters- behind their iron curtains that manipulate and accelerate the mass hysteria of everything that we're seeing now. It is them who weaponized this depopulation propaganda through mainstream *projective programming* for the so-called "necessary" governmental/elite-issued democide.
My theory is that population growth drops rapidly as soon as your society requires both parents to work. For the society to have children at a replacement rate, the economy needs to support a stay at home parent, or people will think it's too hard to have children.
In America, family ties have all but dissolved. It wasn't too long ago that multi-generational households we're the norm. Grandparents cared for the kids while parents work. When grandparents were very old they were cared for at home instead of shipping out to a nursing home.
The society doesn't require both parents to work. It only encourages and propels people to choosing careers over having big families. The resources are all available, there are more than when Westerners had more children. It's that people have too many opportunities to choose monetary gains over family life. And there's a question of fairness, if, as you suggest, welfare states would increase their support for stay-at-home parents. Such support goes against the principle of increasing productivity, which is the basis of creating opportunities.
I think the only way humanity can survive if we bring back the traditional family norms and values. Too many women chase careers till their mid 30's and want to become 'independent'; by the time they want to have kids, they are either too old, too picky or have difficulty carrying children altogether; not to mention, feminism as a whole has created many issues as well.
I grew up w/ my granparents who were married shortly before the Great Depression. They raised 5 kids and then took on my brother and I. Gram would put on a pot of coffee after Church on Sunday, because someone would usually come to visit. There was a type of connection and ease with family and friends that is sadly lacking today. We've lost more than we've gained. My Wife and I also have 5 kids, but we have to work all the time. Families are being squeezed too hard.
Expect a win fall to come soon and don't say no to the help I'm going to Pray the burden is lifted from You both so you too can focus on family, values and compassion I don't pray for money for myself as I find this is not a good thing, but I can Pray for others burdens to be easier for them. I Hope You see this, not to say it worked for me to hear, I Hope You see this so when this Prayer is answered, You know where it came from, not me but God and You're to give all Glory and Gratitude to God for this and not one ounce towards me, but if this win fall is the lotto, well I'm on disability with around 20 diseases, high risk stroke patient and multiple fractures in my spine, but most of all my conditions have been healed by Jesus, all Glory to God. Much Love from Heaven above and May God Bless You if so Willing I Love You too Goodnight my friend
It is done. I have no Children and always wanted to be a Grandfather telling the Grandkids my stories in life as they sit and listen in amazement. I'm 50 this year and been single for 7 years, no dating no sex, no lust at all Thank God, but You my friend have been blessed to have 5 children as your Grandparents did and don't be surprised if You and the wife end up adding 2 more under your wing that come out of blue as You and Your Brother did to them. Truly You are blessed to have children, enjoy every second that is to come that is extra time added to your schdule to allow more time with family, friends and neighbours May Father God Bless You and those You Love
When I was in my twenties, we were warned that human population would spiral out of control. We were also supposed to fear a coming ice age. Now were told the opposite. Predicting the future is a fool's errand.
@@joannebutcher860 Ironically the ice age part is true, the difference is that climate change got us from outside that one, but it's going to work against us when this cold period finally lifts.
You've got to be around my age. I "learned" those things as well. Neither one turned out to be true. Jordan Peterson is not the only one who's onto what's really happening with the population, and it's not about growth. It's about decline; serious decline
My biggest issue for not having kids is not having enough money. I'm in the US and the cost of living is ridiculously high even without kids. Inflation. Inflation. Inflation.
Look at the Irony of this whole comedy. It wasn't war that destroyed us, It wasn't disease either, a comet probably won't end us,not even an asteroid. The human race will end due to a dollar bill. Sad but eventually true
Thank the government and the Federal Reserve. Inflation is basically an implicit tax. It's created when more money is created out of thin air beyond our means. Basic economics, really. The more of something there is, the less value it holds, and the vast and overwhelming majority of Dollars to have ever been in circulation have been created since 2020, maybe even 2021. Getting rid of the Fed and returning to sound money would go a long way toward easing people's burdens, I think.
Reasons for this phenomenon 1. Shrinking of middle class requiring both parents to work 2. Dramatic increase in cost of having and raising children, particularly cost of education 3. Increase in work culture generally taking more and more available time from families
1. we were lower middle class, but we chose to life simply so I could stay home with the kids. 2. Kids don't eat much and their clothes is cheap, especially if you get hand me downs and shop at Goodwill. Also, education is free, except for about $30 in school supplies each year. College is mostly free too, if you kids earn it by making good grades for a scholarship. 3. YOU control 'work culture.' You get to choose how important work is to you in your life. It's not easy to make it, but it is doable, if you're not materialistic and focus on love rather than having nice things.
its the dissolving of the nuclear family, female education , contraception & abortions being the reason for population collapse in western countries. Not housing costs. - its ever since the rise of feminism in the 20th century, children also used to work, whereas now they are massively expensive.
@@connorjames6226 bruh stop spouting rhetoric and think. Korea, japan, taiwan too i think have even lower birthrates than the west. Do you mean to tell me these countries are more feminist than the USA or europe?
@@connorjames6226 Connor hot take but Abortion and Contraception are the greatest tricks men have ever played on women it allows them to use women for sex without any responsibility if she gets pregnant and its insane how so few women have realised this they are using you Contraception allows you to have sex inside of wedlock and Abortion ensures the irresponsible man does not have to take responsibility for his actions
I really enjoy Dr. Peterson’s contrarian stances on things that I’ve been raised to believe to be universal truths. Really sheds light on how profoundly tight these hysterias have a grip on our culture. Phew, thank god for this man.
@@jacksparrow3025 that's not how evolution works...evolution allows for those species that have adaptions to their environments to thrive. The idea that a species is "highly" advanced is incorrect as there's nothing that can define what that means. In 100 generations, humans could evolve into something that is "less complex" than we are today if it allowed them to survive in their current conditions.
@@RicardoGonzalez-bn5uu I think you may have misinterpreted what he meant. Our ability to evolve would slow down if we decreased our population. Jack was advocating that we shouldn't stop reproducing hence multiplying the number of potential adaptations. Not everyone is a scientist and do not need to know and understand the particulars. Jack has the basic gist of it and that's perfectly fine.
@@perezclark123 agreed, right after I replied...I realized that he could have also been referring to societal and technological evolution. Face palm moment on my behalf lol
@@JumboCod91 I think it’s too hard to tell in a case like you propose. People in the early 1900s wouldn’t have thought of WWI and subsequently WWII having the effect that it did on the world. The climate of today may effect future generations socially but for who knows how long before something altogether different changes the system again. Evolutionary Biological time frames and the rapid change of society in last two centuries are occurring at vastly different rates
As a hospital leader I can tell you this is already a problem and it’s coming to roost right now, there simply aren’t enough young people in the healthcare workforce, I’ve only been there for 11 years and now I’m one of the most senior people there, between retirement, quitting due to stress and over worked, covid, etc. we don’t have enough workers to keep up w the increasing volume of patients
The solution should be simple than, less healthcare for the old, sick, and burdens on society. If it were animals we would know what the humane thing to do is!
You use the word "increasing" volume of patients implying that there is a greater percentage of people as patients than previously. Are there more people proportionately falling ill than in years gone by, and if so why? Could it be that the way our way of life has changed (NOT developed) over the last 100+ years is unhealthy for humans? I think so. Despite the discovery of antibiotics to cure many deadly diseases and other medicines to cope with many health problems, all sorts of new health problems keep appearing, debilitating rather than deadly, but destroying peoples' lives because they cannot function fully.
@@sebastianstarr007amen brother. I used to know an absolute mooch who had a genetic heart failure condition. $100K+ in free healthcare, numerous free surgeries, plus free top tier insurance. My working, contributing ass has to pay $8K for minor laparoscopic surgery... Make it make sense.
@@sebastianstarr007 1.humans are animals, we are clasified as mammals 2.people in prehistóric times took care of the sick and old people, but now with all advancments can't, it seems You do not want to make the effort
When the elites start saying there’s to many people on the earth and something has to be done, “well go ahead and start with yourself and do us all a favor. Leave this planet by any means you wish.” They say there’s to many of us but for some odd reason they don’t count themselves as one of the “to many of us.”
@@frankjokel99 the world has 510.100.000 km² surface (including oceans) this means there''s 0.06 km2 for each person (7.7 billion). Now live on that piece of land and you're dead. It's not about how high we can get our population. It's about what humanity does with the space given. Much goes to shit because of humans (including me). We just need to let it go. Nature will push the reset button when needed(like it did so many times before)
@@kizurir8816 seems when I was born I was already paying rent to some land owner robber Barron..and I'm still paying rent to some greedy little psycopath who lied and cheated his way to owning every inch of dirt I stand on. But this is why we are lied to on a million levels so we never figure out we are born slaves to opulent dynasty family members and their sniveling obsequious toddies enablers.
@@nofutureproductions9242 -and they fullly believe as they have their entire history..they will own each of us too..you will own nothing but they will own you is exactly what they are saying..take your Somma,,a Huxley brave new world order is comming and you are going to need to be on Pfizer drugs to swallow it.
There's no ethical solution out of this. I mean we could just have an age of death where we send people to the afterlife to prevent societal collapse to due their being to many consumers vs producers or release a deadlier variant of covid which we have in the labs but anything short of that or mass immigration won't prevent collapse
If population decreases on its own naturally without forced compliance, that is good for mother earth, less garbage and less air and water pollution. The ecosystems will have a chance to bounce back if people are in balance with our ecosystem. Living in high rise apts. is not "in balance". Check out the "Mouse Utopia experiment". We're seeing a glimpse of this in many cities today.
It's that point in an MMORPG where some players have inflated the economic system so much that people are simply leaving the game 'cause they don't have enough hours to grind the amount of money/resources they need to enjoy the game.
@@FazeParticles Because it's short term beneficial to some greedy people. Hence why we need to adopt an incorruptible currency such as bitcoin, which is designed as a tool to combat political induced inflations and control. Decentralized with no one at the top. But the WEF doesn't want you to know that and the Mass Media and politicians work closely together to demonize these innovations, and corroborate to take away your freedoms. All in the service of the great reset. And it's being exposed in Canada right as we speak. Earlier today an MP asked about Klaus Schwab and wanted to know how many people in the parliament are members of the World Economic Forum. He got silenced and cast out in a heartbeat. The video is on UA-cam. Why? Because Klaus Schwab has already openly admitted that Justin Trudeau and at least HALF of the Canadian parliament are members. And the same is true for EVERY other 1st world democratic country...
Let me add to this that Bitcoin is THE ONLY crypto currency that has these qualities. Every other coin has people in charge who can increase and decrease the amount of coins there are as they please. The number 2 coin, etherium, has already changed their max cap 7 times!
Indeed. It reminds me of something George Carlin said. We assume we humans are separate from nature and yet we are in fact a product of nature. We are a vital part of nature's plan.
Exactly. It's not obvious at all that the planet HAS a side. It's nothing but a vessel. What's valuable is the life in it, and if we truly had our priorities straight we'd understand that all we truly have is each other, and of course, the other life forms that share this world. If the leftist hatred of humanity is allowed to propagate, we'll never flourish enough to leave Earth, or to take other life with us. We'll wither and vanish in a cosmic blink of an eye, whenever and however the universe decides that our time is up.
While I understand the economics of population decline, I also think that any economic system which requires perpetual population growth is doomed to fail.
@@JC-ox8yl Socialism does too. Social Security is a great example. The math only works with population growth. Hit a population decline, and it ceases to function. Just one reason why Social Security was a terrible idea. You would be better off putting your lifetime of social security tax into the stock market. Even if the worst market crash in history hit just as you were about to retire, you would still get more money back.
Yes, let's just ignore the burning little detail that many people who want children are horrified by the price tag attached to them. Long gone are the days where people could get married at the age of 19, have one spouse working a 9-5 job and able to easily afford to buy a house, raise four children and get a few luxury items along the way. Now we're all being saddled with mounting student debt that cuts into our ability to buy an ever more expensive home with ever decreasing wages, not to mention that the very act of having a child often costs as much as that child's college education will, and that's just what the hospital charges for the birth.
Children are expensive as hell. If you don't ever think your dreams will come true,go and have kids. But if you actually plan on achieving your dreams,don't have kids!!
@@ShinkuGouki That might be taking it a step too far. I like to believe that people can be parents and achieve their dreams as well, especially women. Everyone should in the perfect world be able to do what they want.
@@robertgronewold3326 People that haven't completed their education and don't have a career shouldn't be having kids. Having kids doesn't hinder your ability to start a business or save money?? Of course it does. Having kids costs time and money. The very wealthy don't have to worry about this. I'm talking about the majority.
I’m fascinated by Dr. Peterson. He challenges all the views I’ve developed in the last 20 years. I don’t agree with him on all things but his opinion does make me pause and reflect.
Unhappy people don't stay married and have lots of children. When people get happier the population will increase. the way to happiness is forgiveness, not blaming. We are maxing out on blaming; a pandemic in which people are blaming other people for getting sick is the sign that we are turning around. A worldwide elite justification of tyranny that people are refusing is another sign.
@@robertdouglas8895 This might be true in a modern marriage, but I'm not so sure it holds for marriages where women are fully reliant on their husbands, as was the case in the early part of the 20th Century and is the case in many impoverished countries. That said, I really hate how women are shamed for wanting to stay home and raise their children. Everyone knows children do so much better when their parents are around and invested in the wellbeing of their children. :)
Having already discussed this 'problem' with most of my friends, who are nearly all single or in a relationship with no children. Most of them including myself are in the mindset of 'how would I find the time and money to bring up children?' Personally I find it an ongoing exhausting daily grind, just to look after myself and my partner. I live in the UK and I'm 46 years old, so it's never going to happen. My partner has just taken on a 2nd job as it's the only way she can get some savings in the bank, so I see her even less now. The UK government will finally realise, probably when it's already too late, that an economy can't survive without it's minions to do all the crappy jobs that they wouldn't want their kids doing.
All this is TOTALLY the game plan of the IMF. Look up Klaus Schwab's book and it's all there. Just one other point. Get any savings out of the bank. NOW 🙏
@@GK1976A Yeah, this could be true. Its like the meme of donating all the wealth to the local cat haven instead of the greedy family members. Families going extinct is always an option...
My observation is that in our small bubbles in our small cities, our areas seem to have no room. For anyone. Everywhere you go is traffic. Every restaurant has a wait. Every home is over priced, the cost of everything is too high. All of these indicators usually point to a supply shortage, and supply shortaged usually points to not being able to meet the demand. Everyone in our generation 25-35 years now, has been getting kicked by these indicators since we have been adults. We all look at each other and say, well i didnt change anything....but now my drive to work takes 3 times as long. So whole trying to stay afloat and mentally strong and resilient, i should voluntarily add raising a child into the mix. Its tough for us to climb yet another mountain.
And unlike many other goods in capitalistic markets, one does not simply produce more land, water, or clean air. Under any other situation, we would be considered hostage to a land cartel as the supply of land is low relative to demand, but even such a land cartel can't make more land open for settlement for there isn't such land left anywhere
All of these factors are being generated to maximize profits. Create a community that is easily manipulated by false scarcities, constant underlying fear, pitting one group against another, then just sit back and see how far these factors continue to work. If not create a new virus that's just the old one but give it another name and number. Don't worry most people now a days haven't had basic biology classes so they don't know how fast they mutate and therefore are virtually immortal. But humanity has been getting along and adapting right along with them for years. AMAZING!! It's all engineered by larger and larger corporations wanting to control every facet of human life with the one main goal being MAXIMIZE PROFITS.
I am probably Jordan's age and I remember reading the book "The Population Bomb" by Paul Erlich. In it he claimed that there would be mass starvation by 1984 IN THE UNITED STATES. That book came out in the 70's and scared me so bad I went down to the doctor and got a vasectomy. I wasn't going to have any children if I could help it. Then years later, when my wife started feeling her hormones ebbing away she begged me to have it reversed. In those days it was a 50-50 chance of success by it worked for me and we had two kids. Best thing that ever happened to me.
All the books on Starvation and overpopulation…were Correct….they only left out the Mechanisms by which it would Come….we had a few thousand years of perfect even Climate…and few events that were devastating or effective as Tambora…but….if we do ..and we will…have radical events or Climate Collapse….it is more guaranteed…that mass Starvation will come in 2 years….with 8 billion…..it is amazing we got this far down the Road….but the systems that made 8 billion possible are reaching their limits….oh yes…there are limits to Everything.
@@sebbensebbenandsebben691 they say 800,000 Cats are out to Sleep….each year….our Food and Medical System…..are Not designed to keep you Healthy….they are industries…as the big Pharma…a designed system…..the Human bio Mass sustains….in the 50s it was well documented by Weston Price….but here we are….nothing much Changed…..8 billion Consumers….made a lot of Family’s very very Rich….but I have come to the conclusion….that we are like a huge herd of Cattle…during a severe Drought…..the Rancher cannot Sell them and he cannot Feed them and the Land has Failed…..everywhere I go it seems Crowded …congested ….hectic….an amplifying Rat Race….and the Rats are in a big Hurry….I believe this Planet was designed to support a specific number under natural Conditions…but 8 billion humans have completely changed that Harmony. The Buffalo herds are gone…the millions of Beaver are gone….millions and millions of Whales…also gone….the old growth Trees …mostly gone….there are a few Elephants left….but we need Automobiles….not Buffalo……We should See the handwriting on the Wall…and drop Denial.
In the 70s they also predicted the next 'Ice Age' was coming...God help us for listening to these nihilists. Glad you had a happy ending - a large swath of the younger generation will not be so fortunate, and will miss out on this blessing God has given humanity
I always wanted to have a big family since I was little, but was always worried about the financial issue. My sister recently got married and is staying home with her new baby even though they don't have a lot of money and i realized the issue wasn't really finances but expectations. They have a humble life but are happy.
I have 2 children one boy and one girl and I too was always worried about finances but today I am financially stable and ready for a 3rd child, people just need to know how to spend their money, less creditcards, contracts for new phones and Starbucks but that's the standard of living most people don't wanna part with🤷
I got married 22 years ago. I was 24 and my wife was 21. We had our first sooner than we thought and he was premature. We had to rely on some good old fashioned government assistance for a year and then got on our feet. We had four more kids (without government assistance) and have been running ever since. There are a few things I would do differently but not having five kids isn’t one of them. What it comes down to is that you CAN do with less. Unchecked Capitalism is not the problem. It is unchecked wants. Kids are a sacrifice. A big one. But anything worth having requires big sacrifice. It’s a refining fire. A trip to Disneyland is a once in a lifetime thing. Not a once a year thing. You can do with an LG phone instead of an iPhone. You don’t actually need Netflix, Hulu, or Disney plus. Your kids don’t need extra presents because your sister gave HER kids more. Presents don’t equal love. People talk about the “Good Ole Days” when raising a family was easier. My grandpa used to say that the only good thing about the “Good ole Days” is a bad memory. He grew up during the Great Depression. He said “dollars (silver) were as big as wagon wheels and there were damn few of them.” It’s never been easy or convenient to raise kids and if you wait until your totally ready you won’t ever have any. I know some can’t have kids or just do get the opportunity. But the ones who can and do have the opportunity should. Strong families are an amazing antidote to overreacting governments.
I agree. To this day only went to Disney once, and sadly it was before my youngest was born so he got screwed but we thought we were done haha I've got six kids, four I gave birth to and two I took on when my sister died. Husband had to work three jobs and I had to do daycare in order to stay home with my kids. I caught so much crap for staying home too, even by other women, actually, especially by other women! It wasn't fun and I often remained silent because I dreaded the question, "So what do you do?" I'd tell them and they would walk away. I never thought I made the wrong decision though. I knew I could raise my kids better than a daycare center and I was right. I have one daughter who is a double PHd , a Biologist and a Geneticist, and got scholarships for everything by working hard. Another is a Registered Nurse and another a Psychologist. Married young and three kids by 26, the fourth years later at 36. Here I sit now 52 and thirty years married still with with two teens and an 8 year old still at home. In some ways husband and I DO regret having so many because we've never had any time to ourselves but not in a serious way. Whole plan was to have kids young and be in our forties when they leave home and then he and I could travel. That plan is out the window.
Maybe I can help Jordan here since I'm one of those people; how I see it: a system that relies on an ever-increasing population of young to supplant the old is inherently unsustainable. So, either it's a bad system and is fixed or it's only a matter of time until it extinguishes itself. But our system either can't, or won't, be fixed. So by process of elimination there is only one outcome left. And while I'm not happy about it, I am accepting of it. He asks, "what are we going to do about it?" Nothing. Enjoy the time you have left with the people who you care about.
I don’t hear strong arguments as to why we need more people. “More young people to support the aging sector…” is not a strong argument IMO, even though calamity does await us boomers if the economy/healthcare systems fail. I also do not hear about creating a system that includes those marginalized and therefore not contributing to social/economic growth. Avoiding population collapse would be a good thing. But I disagree with the idea that our population needs to grow.
I’m curious as to why you think our system will extinguish itself, if by that you mean extinction of our species. I see some rough road ahead, but not extinguishment or extinction. If, on the other hand, you mean our economic/governmental systems will be extinguished as they are replaced by other systems, I understand.
No, people in the poorest countries have the most kids. It's exactly reversed. The COL crisis in the West is pretty recent, but this trend is decades old. This is bigger than the hype of the day, which cost of living essentially is.
In my opinion i don't think money is the issue i think women these days require a lot of money and require the lifestyle that they sees in social media, they sees women without kids they say we don't want kids they sees women who has a lot of money they say they want a rich men ,they sees women with tall men they says we want tall men , i hope we have some how educations about the fake lifestyle and how to not think like how some influencer think , that is just my opinion, and my theory
Accept immigrants.western people won't help they weak like you. Stop lying..... Africa has a damaged economy but we thriving, it's selfish to think the way you do because it's all about you and money. How depressing it is to be wealthy yet have no legitimate heir.
My biggest regret about having children. Is the level of leverage society now has over you. What I am willing to do to keep my kids safe fed and healthy could be used as blackmail for a governing body, or individual.
It is true, and have always been like that, but what i'm afraid is that a majority of us, has lost or can no longer see the beauty of creating life or life just getting to live and prosper. People aren't searching for the mysteries that lurk behind corridors of choices made in ones life, or relishing in the fact that we got to live; be it a sad life or an ordinary life, in my book thats way better than having no life at all. This might be hypocritical, but i'm properly also choosing not to have children and it isnt cause of what i just mentioned, but that i don't want the hassle. Maybe that will change when i grow older we'll have to see.
I don't think his main point is about the disaster of underpopulation, though he probably wants people to consider not making inevitable struggles worse by not having children they would have otherwise had. He's more using that point 1) to dispel the prevalent myth of overpopulation and 2) to use it to suggest the plausibility that there is a growing anti-life sentiment that runs deeper than the surface talk of population (or politics) and, having infected the minds of many institutions, it may wreak havoc like we can't imagine. So that people can be aware of the mindset -- see it in themselves and/or others.
Why do people always rush from one extreme to the other. Having 1-2 children is perfectly fine, it's just replacing yourself. Middle grounds are an option too.
in some ways, it's a self-solving problem. those with no life drive (the obedient, the simpering) will not reproduce. those of us with courage and strength and virtue will.
Over population is not a myth, like climate change is not a myth. People just refuse to accept concepts that they reject emotionally, instead of doing research of the subjects dispassionately.
Thing is, patenting sucks. Plenty of other things to occupy your time in a wealthy country. I don't blame young people for opting out at all. They see the day to day grind people like me go through and say no thanks.
One of the biggest deterrents to having offspring are the costs. Wages are stagnant and housing is unaffordable. How are us young people supposed to afford to start a family when we are just getting by?
For me I just don't like kids at all. Spent my childhood going to school, coming home and dealing with 2 young siblings. I despise kids so much I'm embarrassed to have been one because I would have hated myself just for being soo f-ing needy. It's not something small humans can control, and people I respect the most are those who want kids, but I am not one
Not me I love when people tell me what I think cause if there right I get an opportunity too change myself for the better if there wrong I ignore them . What I hate is when people pander too me and don't mean it
Trying to show honesty to people, makes them feel uncomfortable. But how uncomfortable will people be, when reality strikes, and they are ill-prepared for it? Our channel and our blog opens the door. If only more people would step through and enlighten themselves; the world would know, and the games would have to stop.
@@pantherman8719 So very true! I'm a woman and when I'm asked by some woman "does this dress make me look fat?" My answer is, you can't blame the dress. :)
John Calhoun's "Behavioral Sink" research in the 1960s and 70s studied the impact of overpopulation on mammals. The odd thing was Calhoun's mammal populations never hit maximum capacity, let alone reached the status of "overpopulation." Yet, with great predictability Calhoun's mammal populations experience catastrophic collapse before overpopulation! I became aware of Calhoun's research just a handful of years ago, but it seems to me Calhoun's work predicts the collapse of male-female relationships within utopian socialist conditions.
if only those utopian socialist conditions actually existed then we wouldn't have this problem socialism just doesn't work. the government takes businesses away at gunpoint and tells everyone "now if you want something you have to come to me" and that always ends in shortages, famines, abuses of power and possibly genocide
@@caralho5237 - I understand your objections, and AGREE. However, Calhoun absolutely did create just such a utopia for his mammals! He selected the healthiest mammals through medical screening, and then placed the test subjects in a completely enclosed environment free of any predators. Calhoun's environment included common social spaces, private mating spaces, and family spaces true to the nature of the tested mammals. He then provided a wide variety of the healthiest food, routine medicine, and waste management for the test subjects. Calhoun was careful not to withhold any needs of the mammals, including what might be called "playground toys" for exercise and amusement. Yet experiment after experiment, both large studies and small, saw a repeated pattern. At roughly 2/3rds capacity of the environment, the mammal populations experienced a catastrophic population implosion. This baffled Calhoun as it went against all of the overpopulation theoretical models. Yet there it was - a data set that predicted with great regularity the demise of mammal populations in utopian conditions. NOTE: MY INTERPRETATION. While Calhoun was studying the effects of overpopulation on mammalians to hopefully gain insight to predictive patterns of human populations, Calhoun actually found something far more compelling. In his last and largest study in Scandinavia, Calhoun described with great detail the progression of the decline. It appears that the socialism utopian conditions disrupted male-female mating behaviors so intensely that females no longer needed males or wanted offspring. And the males, with nothing much to do and growing more hostile toward the females, began widespread open warfare! Calhoun reported the large population of unattached young males began killing off other mice - young and old, male and female with increased regularity. A perpetual state of violence continued, in spite of utopian conditions of everything the mammals could want, until the population was completely dead.
@@christopherlarsen7788 Very cool experiment, think i heard about it somewhere I thought you were open to the possibility of a socialist government for a second but i was wrong, my bad
I'm reminded of those Star Trek episodes where Kirk went out of his way to smash utopias, and got away with it. Looks like Starfleet maybe knew something...
World population NEEDS to shrink. It would bring more resources for those who remain. The modem system NEEDS to fail. A return to a close connection to the earth is the key to happiness, mental health, etc, and that can't happen with so many people.
The problem is not the people, its the sociopaths who steal from them. In old times they had nobles, now this. Inoptimality due to parasites. Has nothing to do w pop numbers, 70%of us are above 50.
Desert countries can't support large populations. There simply is no way to grow enough food, in other words, if a country cannot grow enough food to supply it's population with basic nutrition, it's overpopulated.
For me the best time to be alive was early 90’s to early 2000’s. Society has just been going downhill ever since so really couldn’t care less if there is a population crash.
This is done by design. We became a morally degraded society. Everything that was wholesome and beautiful is now vacuous and ugly and oppressive. So much so that people are willingly offing themselves not to exist in this place
Can't agree more. Probably the greatest time since humans existed on this planet. There was actual peace and people all sorts where happy with themselves, did not care to dig what others did in their life.
I would start it in the mid-'80s and if you can ignore the bitter taste of Jimmy Carter, the mid-70s. It was a beautiful time to be alive, cruising was fun, and bonfires and sleeping on the beach were legal.
Simplicity was apart of that..... Material obsession is slowly taking over.... People seem more concerned over what eachother has rather than just being a good human...
Although I agree with the other replies here, living more frugally is an option as well. You probably don’t need everything you own and kids don’t need nearly as many toys and luxuries they have on average today.
On the flip side of that, what should serve as detterants to people abandoning parental responsibilities? And how do we stop people with broken marriages blocking their former partner from having their rightful place in their children's lives?
@@yourpersonaldatadealer2239 how do you connect the Fermi paradox to declining population? I'd like to follow your thought, but I can't see what you mean.
@@OZUndead He is saying, once a civilization becomes advanced enough, their population declines drastically. Implying, this would be one of the big filters.
@@maximiliannowak7860 Ahh thanks for clarifying, in my mind the famous question "where is everybody?" was echoing around without considering this aspect.
When a society creates primarily subsistence level jobs/wages which keep the majority on a hamster wheel in perpetuity it shouldn't surprise anyone that people think/believe there is overpopulation
Been aware of this for well over a decade, so many in their late 20s or 30s have no kids, many aren't in relationships, also know many people in their 40s with no kids. Its going to drop off the cliff.
Less people means that you don't have the workforce to replace what you previously had this is especially bad in our globalised world as economies become stagnant there is less money less credit in the system to facilitate growth. Good look to Africa when it become economically disadvantaged to ship them resources as western nations become more focused internally especially with the developing climate crisis. Aging demographics are horrible for any nation population decline is not a major issue if it is controlled but mass depopulation is catastrophic.
I'm not one of those who hate humanity, but i do hate greedy capitalism and big government. I am happy that the population is declining, maybe then people can actually afford a house?
There is such a need for society to slow down, to thoughtfully raise children, a need to not continually struggle. Everyone would be happier and healthier...but the current government and rampant inflation (and more) are against us.
People live in a state of unbridled consumption and fear. We slave away trying to get a bigger house, a newer car, better stuff... We do this while being afraid of terrorism, a virus, or whatever government and media say is going to harm us. Then, we gladly hand over our sovereignty and continue struggling to make ends meet.
what else do you expect from a consumer based economy? Extreme consumption creates greed, greed creates unsustainable living wages, lack of a living wage creates low fertility
Culture and Morals have a massive role to play in this mess. For much of America and Europe's time during the last 2 centuries, society was highly influenced by the cultural and moral beliefs of Christianity even if we structured our society secularly. Once the culture began to decay and the morals fade, the society began putting itself on the path of self-destruction. Fact is we have more than enough resources to sustain ourselves and a lot more people, but because of our lack of cultural guidance, there is nothing to channel our energy or ambitions to see it through. You can tell this is the case because the most efficient, patriotic, and stable groups of people in America today are the immigrants who arrived just in the last few decades, and that's not a coincidence.
A lot of these population collapse videos seem pretty tone deaf. Having and raising children requires resources like money, community support, and time. Even most of the comments under these videos acknowledge how expensive this is. Who’s going to volunteer to have children when you have to spend most of your free time at work and even then can barely afford to house and feed yourself?
I'm in the first half of my thirties, live about an hour outside a major city, and I have 5 (so far). It's very doable, you just have to come at it from the right angle
I live in Portugal, I'm 25, I will often spend days without seeing a single fellow young person. Population decline is no joke because it really deeply affects the economical and political situation, young people have almost no effect on the country, and in the case of Portugal most of them especially the smartest, emigrate anyways which exasperates the issue. The whole country is geriatric, health problems are ubiquitous, Covid is like fire in a dry untended field in this situation. The bright side is that it's very calm and accommodating for an introvert like me.
I visited recently and I am entirely convinced there are more car dealerships than people. But a very peaceful coastline you are blessed with. Much love from Ireland 🇮🇪🇵🇹
I find it Interesting how your covid situation is brutal considering you guys have one of the highest vaccination rates in the world with 110% of the population shot up. 🤔 I also find it interesting how here in Canada we’ve had more covid deaths and problems this year, than the year before any shots were even administered. 🤨
Wow so true. I visited right before the pandemic. I even asked my tour guide where all the kids were and she said there weren’t many. The only children I saw were the ones on vacation with their parents in my tour group. I went went with my best friend and we left our kids at home with our husbands so we fit right in lol . It was definitely calm and quiet which is exactly what we needed. Beautiful country ♥️
I can recall reading about some financial research (nearly twenty years ago) which tallied up the overall tax burden for the average American citizen. I was shocked to learn that it was 56% of earned income. (the study included income taxes, sales tax, property tax, luxury tax, government service fees, bridge and highway tolls, fuel taxes, etcetera.) So, that looked rather ominous twenty years ago. What do you suppose that overall tax figure has grown to, today? My point is ... there is a reason that "Two Income Households" are the norm today. Obviously, when over half of the combined household income is taken away; that household becomes a "One Income Household" In other words, for each working parent in the USA; one adult is working exclusively to support government, while the other is working to support family. And, need I say ... if the figures were updated to reflect current tax burdens, it seems clear that the government takes a far bigger slice of the pie than it leaves for the children to divide. Surely, there is a reason that this data is not published these days.
@@gusgrizzel8397 Remember what you see isn't the entire story. Most immigrants work 3x harder than citizens because they aren't socially and financially established. There are many many many sacrifices made including time with their children. Ask a Chinese immigrant with a family of 5 how hard he actually worked to keep his family afloat and ensure his children had the means to have a better life than himself. He would never want his children to struggle to the same level he did. Saying they can do it why can't we is dismissing the sheer amount of hardships and sacrifice that went into their struggles to set up themselves and their families in this new country. The grass is not greener on the other side.
This might not technically be so bad if the large resources the government is taking in taxation were actually spent efficiently on things that improved the quality of peoples lives and made having children an easier thing to do
He is attacked 24/7 by the establishment, governments, mainstream media and millions of NPC twitter drones. He's a lone voice preaching reality in a world of delusion.
I came to an important realisation. Middle class people need to be boosted for us to make more population. The attack on middle class by government is the problem here. They drain the middle class through various tax and restrictions and make it harder for them to make babies. Just my observation.
Not if they are even western conservative aka right-wing liberal. People who live in Jeddah or Moscow with traditional values are the type of middle class who should be having children.
No-one discusses the criminal danger imposed on people in relation to sexuality. It's a crime to have sex in front of children (why?). You'll have your child taken from you if you ask on the internet whether it's okay to feel aroused during breastfeeding. It results in a total ban on level relationships between young people and adults. The transmission of culture is blocked.
There's a difference between classic and neo marxism. Classic marxism went after the economic system and resulted in material shortages. Neo marxism went after the family and resulted in relationship shortages. Sure Wokeness has damaged economy and the middle class a bit, but there isn't a new Holodomor. But Wokeness has absolutely devastated relationships, marriages, communities, and souls.
Or... improve social mobility, so that the most capable people rise. The flip slide, of course, is that the less competent members of the middle class must be allowed to fail, in order to free up resources. Social mobility is a two way street in a society that needs to adapt.
This discussion is so full of strawmen that you can hardly call it intellectual. Peterson had a debate with David Benatar and completely missed the point.
No. Looking past the absurdities of our time, a brighter horizon looms. Yes we will in all likelihood redefine our existance on this earth to prosper with fairness for all. It's the only logical prospect.... Short of anaelation.
One reason for a population decline is, technology means we simply do not need as many people. Working a farm by hand, having children to help is good. With modern tractors and equipment, the family of 5 or 6 is just not needed. Humans will adjust.
The logical conclusion of your hypothesis is an anemic society where few humans work and the rise of the machines. All living things have a strong drive to reproduce, only humans are arrogant enough to think they have the planetary future figured out so they can rationalize NOT reproducing, arrogant fools.
I remember growing up in the 70s and early 80s in a large country of around 10 million, I could spend hours and hours in the bush, moving constantly, and not see any other human being. For some reason that was satisfying - that a substantive part of your life didn't involve another human or group or organisation of them. Probably not many people who live in large cities can do that these days literally by walking out to their backyard into a forest reserve, just 20 kilometres from the capital of a state.
@@randombassguy5780 When everything you think or do is about people, like when you live in a crowded city, you have to be a very social animal to not get dissuaded from that eventually, even if that person is only yourself.
Grew up in a rural area on 13 acres. It was great. Cannot imagine even growing up in a tract home. Seems so confined like a prison. My adult son moved to a large city and never leaves his small rental home. A 90-acre park is a stone's throw, but he never goes outside now. Just computers, video games & going to work and back. Sad. Does not look like much of a life to me...
I had a similar experience as a youth. Believe me, it changes the very fabric of who you are. Those who've never experienced it will never know the benefits of being able to choose solitude and nature whenever desired.
Me too in a sub-rural town on the edge of a major city in the UK. Surrounded by woods, parks, fields and rivers. Birds, long gone, nested in people's gardens, there were fish in the streams. All that land has been built on now. The only people around in the day were the elderly and mothers with children. Hardly anyone had cars either, now you can barely drive through the town, some mornings I literally cannot reach the motorway 1 mile away.
What it worries me is that the basic western civilization that most countries wanted to copy around the world, will collapse too, this because the population issue will not happen all at the same time, we see it in the most stable countries that have massive migration(Like France, UK, and Germany) from already collapsed countries creating a cultural clash, triggering old instinct of protecting their land from the invaders and a cultural gap that creates fertile ground for conflicts. I still dream of an off-the grid house...room full of batteries for a 120V, a big water tank, a proper spot for plating grains. I'm so done with globalization, my brain cannot take so much information of world, past, present and future, which it most be a component of people putting a gun in their mouth, it's so much...
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What population collapse? The Left have been talking about this for decades and in fact a lot of them talk about eugenics and are in fact eugenicists. Remember it's the elite that believe that everyone should suffer except them off course. If we were to allow the ruling dolts to lord over us with these draconian lock down methods and silence dissent about alternative means of fighting this doomsday virus that was released a lot more would be dead. The left fought so hard to deny the science but didn't in fact let the science educate them or was it science at all but an insidious evil nature?
It would be immoral for most young couples to have a child when they can't afford a home and they can't afford to take off time to work for child rearing
In 2022 is not the time to have children. I had my kids back in the 80s and '90s it was great. I'm not saying don't have children they are the best of the best they're my whole life and I love them I would die for them. Today no just no
to many have kids without thought to the responsibility, it's just the thing to do, and that's just wrong in so many ways . most of the rest want little mini-me's to stroke their oversized egos. those that are left either don't have kids for the right reasons, or have them and raise beautiful souls that nourish the planet and those they're around
I’m Canadian. In schools here it’s part of curriculum to teach about overpopulation, primary and secondary school, numbers that back up theories from what I recall. It’s interesting how I was “educated” on biased opinions, and not presented with all of the information, or encouraged to question certain given information in the Canadian education system.
@@VisheshSharma you would be correct only if the population reduced and the amount of money stayed the same. But that’s impossible, if the population gets reduced the amount of money in the economy will also fall because there is not enough spending, leading to a economic downfall
@@_4L There'll not be an economic downfall. Yes, the number of transactions in the world will reduce but what's the harm in that? In earlier days even the simple people could afford a big house on less income because there was sufficient land and little burden on the resources. More people doesn't mean more money per capita it only means more competition for space and earth's resources. I know this because I have lived in India and there are too many people there and a lot more competition on the limited resources that we have. In the end, no one is able to live well.
@@VisheshSharma That might be true only if much of the population was instantly wiped out instead of aging out - although still nowhere near Bill Gates' fortune if we're still a billion or so people. However, if the population declines through aging, that will result in reduced wealth. Elders can't work and produce in the same way, they need certain support, some more than others. Another point to consider would be how the decline of population is distributed. If it's, say, a natural catastrophe that wipes out the population of the Northern Hemisphere, there would be no increase in the income of the remaining population in the south. In fact, due to globalized economy and supply chain, their wealth would only reduce dramatically. Wealth is produced by the combination of work, raw materials and energy. Reduce any one of those components and wealth declines.
It took me until I was 30 to start my family after I finally met my husband who was the first man I ever dated who actually wanted children (with or without me). I was the first woman he met who actually wanted children (with or without him). We have been inseparable since our first date. We now have 3 children and 1 on the way. I'm thankful but my heart breaks to think of how old I'll be for my adult children. I may not even meet my grandchildren. We're doing our best to teach our children the value of family even though we came from very broken and dysfunctional families.
Bless you. Don’t worry about your age, it’s just a number. My 85 year old aunt drove a tractor into the fields to retrieve a newborn calf. She was the youngest “old” person I’ve ever known. Take care of yourself, eat healthy and with 4 children you’re getting plenty of exercise. You’re only as old as you feel. ❤️
Children grow up so fast It is heart warming to hear that despite coming from dysfunctional families you can look past and try to be everything for your children. I am sure one day they will realize how important that is.
There is a plethora of good nutritional information of the Internet. I particularly like Dr Berg. Start slowly, but begin to eat a low carb, anti-inflammatory diet. Exercise as much as possible. You can easily live into your 80's. With God's help you can do it in reasonably good health.
being a mom is so undervalued, I've seen the way companies and society, in general treat them, so why would we want to have kids?...even spouses will leave all the responsibilities to the mom, and that's exhausting.
Exactly. Women are done doing all of the housework and the bulk of the child raising, while also working. We choose working because it at least allows us some autonomy. We understand that any children we birth would ultimately be our responsibility. Men can just walk away so much easier.
The richest man on earth tweeting about population collapse while thinking about going to mars to plant tomatoes and potatoes while working on a chip to insert into peoples heads is enough to start some questions.
Tell him to stop foreclosures, make people in their 80's and 90's to STOP COMPLAINING and be more decent to family members, and start a new branch of citizen based legislation which will help people with "humane" based issues like barking dogs, and safer laws to assist in a needed reduction of the load from overworked police officers. I wrote 60,000 word on a law like this in 2013.
Lol exxxactly, some major questions! Especially the brain chips, like seriously wtf!?🧠📲 How can that possibly be a good idea?? There's soooo much that could go wrong there. Ummm yeah thanks but nooo thankss
Excellent comment! Share more on this subject, please! And how’s come all the former comments seem to leave God out of the picture? He shows us the one way of Eternal Life, through Jesus!
I believe the only limitation for anyone having children is their ability to financially and emotionally support their children. If one cannot do both, then that person should not be having children at that time. The only problem arises when people have (unwanted) children, usually out of wedlock, that force that child to have to endure a life without a stable family or home. Even worse, some children are just dumped at orphanages. And then worst of all, some parents will go so far as taking out their frustration on the child. No child deserves to have to go through that hell.
I still keep wondering why poor families seem to always end up having more children than rich ones. Rich families usually stop at two or three while poor families seem to go higher than four. Why is that?
@@jediknight38 different countries have different kinds of poor people. I'm not sure how things are in the US or UK. But in my country, Myanmar, poor people have less access to education, and most relevant to this topic, sex education. Too many people from lower socio-economic statuses have very little working knowledge of contraception. Even though there is no religious objection to contraception, the sheer lack of reproductive knowledge means too many women do not know how to even prevent pregnancy. This brings me to my next point, in some countries, there are religious objections to contraception. And it is the case that with good education, people do tend to discard the less practical aspects of religion. So the inverse is also true. Religious beliefs tend to be strongly held in people who are less educated. All of this causes a positive feedback cycle, where poor people have less education, including reproductive health education, and this leads them to have more children. And with more mouths to feed, it puts more strain on resources that are already scarce, thus continuing the cycle of poverty.
@@whtfl I believe you're missing the point. Which is that we do not want kids to be born left and right in families that cannot support them, either financially or emotionally. The problem of how to get people of higher socioeconomic status to produce more children is much more complex, and is something I will not claim to have a solution to.
@@jediknight38 In my circle, the poor ones have multiple mental health/drug issues, combined people are careless about sex and everything else as their lives are a mess. I believe that to be true in other places too. + Many attachment issued people _feel_ children will resolve their loneliness and inability to sustain healthy adult relationships as well. That a larger family will resolve. A friend had another baby with a drug addicted schizophrenic even with two pre-existing kids she wasn't able to care for properly. As she had an abortion and for some (as I understand quite a few because it's traumatic) women abortion leads later to an obsession to have a kid. At least to some level poverty causes or is caused by lack of rationality. I'm poor too but I'm adequately rational and sufficiently intelligent to avoid those traps even with my own mental health challenges which lead me to be poor too. Childhood abuse has long lasting effects like in my case neurology gets all messed up as you fear for your life everyday for the first 20 years of your life. I know a lot I say is quite controversial but as far as I've seen having too many kids in my circle is caused by mental health challenges and the carelessness due to it. I edited a lot but just wanted to add, which came first poverty or problems? I don't know. I see a lot of childhood trauma (stemming from war trauma in previous generations) leading to poverty and poverty doesn't help to get things back in order as your focus is on the lack of basics.
Actually my feeling is that because the world isn't coming to an end, we are actually looking at a dip in global population rather than a catastrophic population decline, simply because humans are adaptable, and we will adapt, it might be to a less populus earth, or it might be a earth with better and cheap health care that keeps the population stable.
That’s not how it will go. Less tax money, less labor, less brain power. A lot of our retirement/social programs and economic systems are reliant upon a new wave of workers and consumers. That won’t happen. So a lot of programs that rely on taxes will collapse, businesses will fail, and you’ll have a lot of poor old people homeless on the street (not enough money or labor for nursing homes). Very bleak but that is what we are facing and why governments are very concerned about this. People don’t get that is your future and the only way out besides having kids is AI and robotics.
Why would health care get cheaper if there are gonna be more old ppl than young in future. Nurses will be high in demand and itll be nearly inpossible to keep up with thr system we have now
@SamandRie probably because he thinks universal Healthcare is a beneficial thing and that it does something other than ration care and drive down innovation.
@@Dcvdc56 so what are you getting at? Gas all the old people? Put them down so they don’t have to suffer? If there are more old people than young and the young aren’t having children then you can guess where we are headed. Some place far worse than rotting away in a nursing home. There won’t be anyone to take care of the elderly but the elderly.
@@UnlicensedPharmaciszt most countries don't have good healthcare and affordable childcare. Only a handful of European countries and Quebec (at the expense of other Canadian provinces) do. Most of the world requires multigenerational families and neighbors to take care of children.
@@cr4yv3n and then your kid grows up as a teen and all that baby stuff turns into an iPhone, gaming console, tablet, expensive sneakers, cars, designer clothes and whatever other stuff these kids are having nowadays.
Parents during childhood: “You don’t know how HARD it is to take care of you!” Kid as an adult: Remembers parent saying this and doesn’t have kids Parents: *Surprised Pikachu Face*
Zero incentives for people to have kids its expensive, it drains your mental health, if your kid does something stupid your looked down upon and are held accountable which is fine and dandy until you realize when you struggle already to make ends meet you get another dose of mental stress because your constantly at work because the economy is screwed up so bad you rarely have time to be home for your kid, thus the lord says your gonna be stuck in a loop forever until the kids 18 😈
@@sankalpverma618 Life has no value after your gone, I'm not gonna actively suffer while I am around to make it prosper, I won't actively harm humanity, but I won't devote myself blindly.
Depopulation seems to be most prevalent in the most productive and technological economies. If those economies / countries go into decline because of depopulation how does the rest of the world cope. They can either up their game and take a leading role or the whole system just collapses. Previous collapses (e.g Rome) suggest the latter more likely and the world goes into downturn until the next innovative population rises from the ashes. Perhaps that's what awaits us.
@Yulfa Weisulf Except Rome only got to a low level of civilization where as we have become a space fairing, computer creating, AI enhanced, nuclear powered civilization so even if we fall, our leftovers and scions will be much further ahead technologically than the people who picked up the pieces after Rome.
@@PresidentialWinner Rome collapsed because they destroyed middle class and people simply lost f to give when upper class needed soldiers to defend borders. We are losing our best and brightest. "leftovers" are those that populate for example todays detroit or favelas in brazil etc.
@@TuubiName Destroying the middle class by raising $$$ taxes, unable to have property and mass immigration ... sounds familiar, as we're witnessing in the US and Western countries. It's what brought the Roman Empire down and history is repeating itself again.
He didn’t even try to explain how the the world supposedly isn’t over populated, and maybe this part is out of context, but I don’t think he tried to explain how a population decrease does harm long-term. Like, of course, it does not work for our current economic models that presume infinite growth, but infinite growth is definitely impossible without becoming an interstellar species. We live on a finite planet.
My grandfather lived with his 9 siblings in a two room duplex with one bathroom. He told me that his siblings and he were always outside playing, shooting hares and muskrats with their 22s, fishing and playing on the side of train tracks. They stayed outside and socialized all day and then returned home as a family in the evening. Man I'm so jealous of his generation, they had so many personalities and characters in his neighborhood he said they didn't need TV. They had so little and yet made the most of it, and all of them went on to have healthy and happy families. They all have grandkids who love them too. I am grateful that I could at least witness what a healthy generational family looks like. Say goodbye to the days of 6+ children from the West. Even though they are the ones who need it the most
@@thepagecollective I've never heard someone saying that touching a person is sexual assault. Maybe I'm too young or I live in a different country from yours. If you're talking about *private parts*, ofc it's wrong doing it. But I don't think that's considered sexual assualt. Maybe it's too much. It happened to me and I was probably very soft in that situation. It was uncomfortable and I didn't say much about it because people told me that "I have to be a man, and treating women as a princess". Even if they were doing sth clearly wrong. Stupid me. I think those type of comments made me hate people hugging me or giving me a kiss in the check as a salute. Also, I hate receiving physical compliments. It feels weird to me. So yes, I agree. We're not treating ourselves as the human beings we are. At least, it's my perspective as a random guy.
@@thepagecollective & @Dani Wow, the vast difference between your perspectives, yet both leading to the same result. The love in my heart goes out to both of you. Thank you for being you, you both make this world a better place and we all learn so much from each other. Take your hurt and do something powerful with it. Take dominion over it and make it your strength. Take care Friends
@@thepagecollective Ty for telling me that. I'm not from the US but it seems a bit... relatable what you're talking about. I heard about similar stories. I heard men here going to court because they "raped" a woman but at the end there was proof that it was sex with consent. Do you know what happened to those women? Nothing. They're free. Do you know what happened to those men? They got fired and their family sees them with different eyes. In other words, a woman ruined their lifes and there was no punishment. I know that being a woman in this world is difficult. But, dude... these things scare the hell out of me.
I love that one quote: _Whoever believes in infinite growth in a finite world with finite resources is either insane or an economist._ In nature, the population is controlled by predators, and the apex predators either fight each other or starve until equilibrium is restored... Also, think of this: a decade after Germany lost the war, the middle class recovered to the point that they could afford to buy a house with a garden, have a wife who doesn't need to work, raise two kids, one car, and one vacation a year overseas. Today, both parents work 100% (I even know families with more than two jobs!) and still can't afford to buy a home, but barely afford the rent of a small, shabby flat 1h from the city center where they have to work. Yet, the media tells them that they should be happy to live in Germany, one of the richest and most peaceful countries in the world... meanwhile, for what you pay in Germany for a low quality take away food, you get a three-course menu at a decent restaurant in Portugal and Romania has far superior internet (10x as fast, more stable, better coverage even in rural areas) compared to Germany, and they pay only 1/20th for it... Did I also mention that Germans are record holders in paying taxes and yet the public infrastructure crumbles as if they weren't paying a dime... There are so many other interesting examples from other countries, but they all point in the same direction: decline and fall and probably the rise of extremist parties and civil war, or regular war...
Welp...... A BIG problem iz dat we r uSIN our brain-power, 2 kill each otha. If we were 2 use our brain power 2 git our collective azzes, off dis rock, we would find nfinite resourcez. Furthermo..... DUH real problem iz not finite resourcez. DUH real problemz, r lack of vision. Laziness. Paranoia, over loss of CONtrol. Lame-azzedness, iz DUH real problem. GREED!!!! U HAVETA WATCH, WHO U FOLLOW, & WHUT U LISTEN 2. Disnfo, can put a real hurtin on ya!
Portugal and Romania might be good options for Germans with a German salary, but you are seeing this in a tourist way and not the reality on the ground.
My wife and I chose to reject the “planned parenthood” thing and today have 8 children. It is by far the greatest decision I have ever made in my life. All of my children are better people than me. They are more loving and caring and more productive. Our family serves all mankind.
Unhappy people don't stay married and don't have lots of children. When people get happier the population will increase. the way to happiness is forgiveness, not blaming. We are maxing out on blaming; a pandemic in which people are blaming other people for getting sick is the sign that we are turning around. A worldwide elite justification of tyranny that people are refusing is another sign.
Dang thats a nice family I came form a family of 2 just me and my sister my mother wanted a 3rd but my dad said no seeing how we ended up growing up that was by far the smartest thing my father ever did
Unhappy people don't stay married and have lots of children. When people get happier the population will increase. the way to happiness is forgiveness, not blaming. We are maxing out on blaming; a pandemic in which people are blaming other people for getting sick is the sign that we are turning around.
Central banks are the disease, not humanity "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.... I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." -Thomas Jefferson
people today (in the USA) have far more disposable income than when i was a kid 40 years ago. it is not how much things cost that people choose not to have kids, but their insistence that they have to have everything available to be happy. "poor" people today generally have a smart phone for each person, a car or 2, boxes of extra clothes, live in air-conditioned apartments, a large TV or 2 with cable and maybe a premium subscription or 2, a computer or 2, a game console or 2, internet access, and still have enough food to get fat.
Was the state of the economy brought up in this conversation at all? I'm 25 and most of my friends my age are not even *close* to being in a financial situation to be able to support kids. I doubt most of us will be by the time we're 30, especially if the pandemic carries on for a few more years. Most aren't on the property ladder, in parents' small homes, many are struggling for jobs and nearly all of us have horrible amounts of student debt. I honestly think we can point to that easier as a source for why so many are choosing not to have kids.
Watch Army of Satan (series) from 'Rational Believer', you probably will realise the reason for all this & you may get more enlightened. Should check Part - 4,5,6,8,10,11, upto 22. If you realise and agree then i will tell you the future of us/world according to Eschatology. Otherwise, its hard to understand.
You are correct. I'm from Vancouver Canada and the price of a small house is now two million dollars. No young person can even dream of getting married and having a family there or anywhere near there. It's just not possible unless you inherited a house or are a Chinese multi-millionaire...
Good! In today's world you probably shouldn't be having kids till then anyway. Lol. But really, you probably shouldn't... the world's a way bigger place than when our expectancy was 35. It's worth the investment in yourself to explore it a bit. You know, so you actually have something to pass on.
It’s crazy how people can’t support themselves in their own country and think twice before settling and having kids. Yet immigrants show up without even speaking the native language work hard save money learn skills and eventually learn the language while simultaneously raising a family of 5 with a stay at home parent. These things are happening at the same time. The problem is you were so obsessed with comfort and told you were going to be a successful person in life if you followed the plan your parents teachers and government paved for you. You were all played all following in a straight line one behind the other like sheep.
Staying home with my son during the plandemic has been the best time of my life. Women have been pressured and shamed to work outside the home, but I now prefer working for my own family instead. It's fabulous. Our quality of life and happiness is much higher!
While I was praying God send me a wife, children, and a place to keep them all, I also prayed for the income to pay for all of it. My sweetie has never had to take a job outside our home. For those that think she is slacking; she cares for her 101 year old mom.
@@babydriver8134 Money is tighter, but I've become quite the homesteader. I enjoy making or doing things that we used to pay others for. My parents have passed, but I love being available to help friends/family. That's beautiful that your wife can care for her mother.
@@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 Now I am totally lost. Which "fatherless kids" are you referring to .... and why would "fatherless kids" " worship" Jordan Peterson ?
@@missiontent111 Because he is the epitome of the father that many kids, especially boys, don't have today and it's been the situation for a couple of decades now. Men are generally lost when life gets easier...why, because there is no war to be win and no hunting and basically men need far more guidance in life than women. The role of men had been largely determined by the circumstances of their life. Women did more or less the same thing in every culture...have kids and take care of them. That being said...JP is a clown and doesn't provide any real guidance, just the traditional one, which is useless in a novel environment, and he adds a bit of emotions to it... that's the entire approach of JP.
@@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 A famous line from the Mel Brooks film , "Blazing Saddles" comes to mind. "Well folks, we've just been treated to a greatl example of a frontier gibberish not commonly heard today".
21 years ago I was pregnant with my daughter, I had 2 sons and I was overjoyed to be having a girl. At the barber shop I will never forget the older men chastising me that I was "overpopulating" the planet. That was my first experience of this debate. Thank you Dr Peterson for speaking truthful wisdom on this!
What an *ssh@le! Even if you were which you most certainly weren't, what business it of his?? People always try to force their views upon everyone else. This is something that I avoid like the plague.
You should have as many kids as you can afford. What I resent is the greed of today. I have to pay an enormous amount of money to contribute to the care are raising of other people's kids. People should have to pay for the education and care of their own kids, but in return, be free to make their own decisions about how many they can support, and to what level of comfort. No tax breaks for anyone, especially kids. People may say I am being greedy, wanting to keep the money I make, and spend it how I wish. When I was a kid, we had no computers in school, and not air-conditioning in school, and teachers were paid nothing. We did fine, mostly, maybe better than kids today. My teachers should have been paid better, but not enormously more.
@@DumbledoreMcCracken I have 2 kids ages 16 & 18. I can afford another one, or rather I will be able to afford another one as soon as the two I have now leave the nest.
Which is true: There aren’t enough people Or The AI is going to handle all the work and people will just get to do whatever they want Because both ideas have been put forth and Chris just seems to absorb whatever energy the guest has and does nothing to push back.
@@rfn74 we are quite literally a part of nature but along with intelligence and self-introspection that NATURALLY developed we became able to think of ourselves as "not a part of nature". rather than thinking "we should be healthier", "we should be fitter", "we should use less and efficiently manage our resources" we instead think "there is nothing we can do so we should be removed so the world can be pure again" in my opinion, the worst part is the very people who have this belief do not form some suicide pact and end their lives in droves because they don't want to die, like any normal person, even though they are also "unnatural". while wishing death upon people isn't really good my question would be "why are you here then? why are you adding to the problem or taking the space and resources for someone who might do something?"
There is no population drop... in every major war or pandemic millions have died and the population only increased. There are most definitely population drops in arrogant nations who think they can control the future and the world. But most of them just get erased in time and it never affects the overall population growth. This is a myth just like climate change or any other notions based on presumptions and speculation. And it is all just another psyop nothing more.
I didn't know about Mephestopheles before this, but it perfectly describes all the dark thoughts I've been trying to hold back about humanity. But this guy perfectly breaks down it's flaws, and now I want to be more like Virgil. Someone that can mentally dive into the deepest depths of humanity, reach the bottom, and still rise back to the top intact.
Buddha also called life suffering and he was a prince of a kingdom then, with beautiful wife and children. Life is crrap unless you somehow, with extreme effort make it worthwhile.
@Jaegphh Hcunkelee that's all subjective. equally meaningless and equally essential. the delusion is to ASSUME that this place, this experience, this universe, this version of "reality" is all that there is to know. and it's a shame that such an immaculate and precisely efficient system of physics and galaxies of infinite miracles occurring at the speed of light at each moment. its a wonder that we can see this and still not be inspired. not be amazed. and grateful. because we have come to fear suffering as if it dims the human experience. that's just all in your mind. if nothing good came from suffering then people wouldn't grow muscles when they lift weights. they would grow muscles when they ate donuts. throw your trash ass logic out the window and cherish something incomprehensibly complex. either way, God bless
@@jackdotblue OR EIGHTH DAY BY HAZEL O'CONNOR!!! OR CHINA IN YOUR HAND BY T'PAU!!! BTW I'M NOT SHOUTING... EYESIGHT PROBLEMS AS A TARGETED INDIVIDUAL YOU MIGHT EXPECT A FEW ISSUES!!! LIKE THE OVER USE OF !!!
Here's the thing though, given the rate of inflation compared to wages over the last 30 years, how many kids can a middle class family realisticly support by themselves without government subsidies
That's the part he isn't speaking to. Everything he said is correct, except that the reason that young couples (such as my wife and I) are choosing not to have children (at least right now) is that we don't really have the money to support them. It's as simple as that.
Mass culture is unsustainable. With a warming planet, the fact that viral differentiation will continue to expand and the real possibility of crop dysfunction leaves several factors beyond economics that will further lower population. Perhaps low enough to begin to support small self-sufficient communities. Where it all started in the first place.
As someone who is a great fan of Jordan Peterson I agree nobody should be telling young people they should or should not have children. I live in Australia and I do not see the nation becoming better because there are more people then there used to be. Quite the opposite. When developers bulldoze all the trees for the next suburb, where children are going to be brought up without a backyard to play in because developers want smaller blocks at increase prices, I don't see that as a good thing. When the animals that used to live in that Bushland are laying on the road dead, I do not see that as a good thing. When I see the most fertile land is being used for housing instead of food production, I do not see that as a good thing. Of course 25 million people in Australia is going to be more sustainable and 50 million or 250 million. How to educate people in Nigeria to stop having 8 children and increasing their crime and poverty is an obvious problem. I would say more but I have to go to work.
To be fair; about the only nations that 'may' stand a chance in a war vs another, are those who have 9 digit population numbers as well as being First World/Rule of Law societies. Russia no longer qualifies, just looking at the way Ukraine and friends are fighting back against Russia
We don't have to have it one way or the other. This could be a happy, healthy, prosperous life and even better then the good old days. We just have to manage it better.
@@grandmalovesmebest There will be no managing it better because people will not sacrifice to make it possible for more people to live well. There was a massive drought in my area in my youth. It was so bad that water use quotas were set so that schools and hospitals could have enought water to stay open and operational. The most well off in my nieghtborhood simply COULD NOT Comply. They said "I can afford it, I can afford to pay the costs and pay the fines....I'm going to water my lawn, wash my car"....do all the things that were forbiden to have enough water for schools and hospitals. This is how people are. There is too much entitlement. We can't even get people to wear a mask in a pandemic. We glorify the achievements of our elders who won WWII and beat Hitler, but they were willing to make Personal Individual sacrifices for the greater good. We are not.
Thank you for not falling in line with those who worship and adore him like a god . He is brilliant and has done his own research on many if his proclamations. And he makes many salient and astute observations about our culture. I also share his contempt for those super entitled adult children who somehow got the notion that anyone "has the right to not be offended" Bitch, please 🙄 Free speech helps keep the thought police away
@@djimiwreybigsby5263 why does anyone worship other people like gods . JP is a very intelligent man with views I agree with for the most part but we're all flawed somehow no reason worship anyone like some crazy cultists. I just acknowledge his wisdom and take what parts help me too improve my life and move on
The western middle class IS already collapsing as they struggle to pay rising prices for property, bills and tax. Meanwhile the money they need to raise a family is taken away and given to those on welfare who see kids as income. We end up with an educated productive liberal class that is continually facing collapse and a poor uneducated class that grows and grows. The system is DESIGNED for a large uneducated population with low expectations who are conditioned to accept poor living conditions can only survive with support from the state , while lacking the motivation/ education and means to challenge anything the government does. A collapse of accountability...by eliminating the only genuine threat to power.
I agree wholeheartedly! I posted a comment prior to reading yours with the example on a global scale. The people with the most drive to forward humanity are stifled by the burden of overproducing to subsidize those who are unwilling to feed themselves. Population growth in itself is not the problem. The wrong people are growing the population.
The "poor and uneducated" are so because of the structures that make higher education a financial burden and of the wage structure of our society. Don't scapegoat people as welfare "scroungers" - if there were better routes forward to a better life, 99% of them would take it. Countries where child care is cheaper and universal allow families to have the number of children they want not the number they can afford.
Bang On We can't move for People in the UK and are also can't breathe dur to pollution and up to our necks in sewage, waste etc. AI, Robotics, New digital maufacturing systems are going to put a lot of people out of work. Not to mention the oneard march of Climate Change. People in the sixties used to talk of about over population. The warnings were there then
My wife is a couple months pregnant with our third. Can't wait to add another addition to our family. My wife has no siblings and, she has always been sad about that. My children will have no cousins from their mothers side, no aunts or uncles. I'm thankful I have a few siblings myself. Family is very important to me. They're my motivation for life. They make me far better then I was without them.
But aren't you creating units of suffering, as world gets worse their life quality will decline fast. One kid is ideal , 2 is okay I suppose but 3 is too much unless you are super rich
@@NsShadid it's called concern for fellow human beings ,might be a foreign concept to you. I gave him certain perspective , I neither abused him or anything else
I've been educated to think that "small family is a happy family". Then someone did a maths based on population density per Sq km with respect to the most densed populated city and it came out that the whole world population can conviniently fit inside Australia with parks and recreational centers. Then I found this video which makes me question my education.
it can but we are very wasteful, especially the global top1%. also we consume alot of animals, there are 3-4 billion pigs, cows, bulls, chickens etc. currently on earth just waiting to be eaten, they all need space and consume alot of food and pollute, and we need space for other food obviously. don't forget the hundreds of millions of Animals that live as Pets, that consum, pollute etc. currently we are using the resources of 1.75 Earths, obviously that can't end well since we've been doing that since probably a century or more! Edit: exclude Chickens, there are nearly 20 billion Chickens alone apparently... yikes.
Yup. It's all a lie. The only problem is waste and pollution, really. If we farmed locally and ate locally, and didn't live in dense cities, this would be a much better place. We are certainly not overpopulated. We are wasteful and too focused on corporate money-making.
Population decreasing is not necessarily a bad thing the problem is the rate of decrease... If the proportion of young to old gets too skewed the system could collapse because it's based on young workers "paying" for the care of the old. The rates of drop the west is seeing are very concerning.
It's much more than a shift it's pretty seismic! You need young people to do the work and consume. Without it, society and our monetary policies will fail and fail hard!
I am with you on this. The only living thing on the planet that worries about human population, economic grown, consumption of products is Humans, Everything other living thing on the planet is better off without humans. I wonder if people truly believe that if the human population dropped to around 2 or 3 billion that we would be on the brink of extinction.
That's an excuse your great granparents did it when they were poorer than you people today have a higher expectations for standard of living and see kids as a burden because they live longer, don't need the kids as much to survive when they get old as they did in the past. If your statement was true all the rich people would have the highest birth rates but that is not the case.
People are more aware of what they are than any other time. With camera phones, selfie, social media, people learn what they are. Often despite their best efforts they learn they may always be less than. It's hard to justify wanting children if you feel less than and unwanted because you don't want to spread that feeling to your children.
@@Cadeaux_Man So we should let sexually irresponsible go around breaking hearts and spreading STI and STD and fucking up their relationships and hormonal balances without the baby father's consent just because she is a spineless irresponsible coward?
I don't see what is provocking in what he's saying since they are all facts. If you find that provocking well you need to grow up and start facing reality.
@@corriveau21 He trained in political science and clinical psychology, not climate science, and I greatly value his expertise as a psychologist. Many climate and data scientists pointed out that he had misinterpreted the data, rendering his conclusions invalid, and that’s good enough for me.
@@nkt1 what exactly did he allegedly misinterpret about the data? Climate crisis hystericists are consistently the most regularly incorrect in their modeling and predictions of anyone in the realm of science. Or should I say "The $cience" My brother went to Penn State - one of the biggest schools in the nation for weather/climate/atmospheric studies. Roomed in a dorm full of students in those fields. He told me almost every one of them he talked to about it said the climatology numbers were fake. Falsified. Intentionally misinterpreted. Sensationalized in dramatic ways that cause fear and panic. But none of them could/would say anything because they would fail the class. And/or they knew they wouldn't be able to get jobs if they dared to question The Narrative. This was in the late 80's... it's gotten much worse- in every subject. Look up Yuri Bezmenov. His video can explain why this is likely happening. 🤔
The people who can do something about it Will not do something about it. These idiots always try to blame the common person and not the system and rules created by others
@@mbogucki1 in one of his lectures he said that Freud's work was so fundamental that we now just take it for granted and we only remember what he was wrong about... Sadly I think this will happen to JP as well... IT SEEMS like he's getting a bit repetitive but most people are just not on his level and they find it hard to engage him... So yeah, it's getting increasingly harder to distil the nuggets of wisdom but he's by no means loosing it. I hope he starts his online university and gives us at least one more book!
This is what happens when too few own too much of the market and crush any who try to enter the market. Competition is the only way for commoners to have a chance.
I always considered the dilemma of human population growth as an opportunity for humans to become more efficient with resources and colonize uninhabited parts of our universe. However, civilization has collectively chosen to navel gaze and retreat to the cradle rather than learn to walk. The realization that humanity chose the worst of all possible choices has obliterated all of my previous optimism for the species. We have a chance to move forward and we're simply blowing it all away.
Exactly people should be seen as the solution not the problem, the future was supposed to be we can do what we want because technology will improve, say if we wanted 50 billion we can solve any problem that comes with that But we’ve gone the opposite way
I think space colonization is as cool as the next guy but the unfortunate (potential) truth is that colonizing space on a massive scale may not actually be possible. The space propulsion systems necessary may not ever actually be possible/feasible to build. I hope they are, but technology will not advance forever, there is an indefinite endpoint.
That would be great to be a space faring race because with access to colonize and mine other planets and other solar systems will give us limitless amount of living space and resources to keep growing etc but since we don't have the advanced technology and money to support it yet . We are stuck to this planet for now and need to manage resources, economy, politics and society more efficiently and more balanced
@@TheOldBeef This is a good point, I am a fan of limiting population growth, because we need to be sustainable, until we are ready for space travel, but I also don't know how far we can grow and remain sustanable, or how far we are from REAL space travel.
Don't worry our beloved leaders have a brilliant plan which when implemented will solve all their problems. The plan is simple. Eliminate retirement and social security. Every year they push to raise the age of retirement.. mandatory work for life.. They've got garantied lifetime pensions as politicians so simply arrange every person in this country to be an ATM for them. If they run short ship in a million or two million illegals to continue the permanent payment system. Problem solved.
Sure, have more kids, it's so simple. I just need to pay off my $300k student loan debt and save enough to afford my first two-bedroom in Phoenix for $850k while renting a studio for $2k/month. Then I can afford to pay the hospital $20k for childbirth fees and start saving for their college tuition. Life's a beach.
@@tyroneknight9364 Moving to some flyover state doesn’t fit the needs of most people, unless you wanna live in some piney bungalow in New Jersey for 100k.
@Burger Joint - All of that education and you know very little about sacrifice. My question to you is why you are paying $2K a month for rent instead of sharing with roommates or not paying rent at all? Why do you need a house that costs $850K vs. a house that goes for $150K in PHX. Sounds like your priorities are all FUBAR. I received 450K in the first 3 yrs. in the military. I reenlisted for 4 yrs. and got my bachelor's degree without touching a penny of my GI Bill. Now that I have my degree, I have no use for the GI Bill so guess where that went? My children I am having. I am currently getting $4200 a mo. for my service 'every month' and my kids get 100% free education along with my 450K they can use for college if they do not get scholarships. Perhaps you should join the military and save yourself 10 -20 yrs. of hardship since you are clearly not on a scholarship program.
So happy this man exists, I have combed the recesses of literature and the internet and found few people that weren't spewing bullshit. True intelligence is a rare commodity these days and its comforting that this man is around in public view to cut through all the lies and stupidity despite how rare a person like this is. What he says travels
True wisdom comes from God, not man. Only when our truth lines up with God, can we be truly wise. I don't know Peterson's views, but it is God we should align with.
So...people who can't even afford to feed themselves should be encouraged to keep having children, watching them die one by one of malnutrition and disease?
@@LightSeekers777 He's committing the same linear inside the box thinking that he complains that others have done... Two points make a line... Not the whole of human history... He extrapolates incomplete data just like everyone else...
It’d be useful to hear more about the probable pros and cons of the impacts of both falling and rising numbers of people and population distribution. And to offer a reasoned view on which of these factors may be deemed to outweigh the other. If this is too complex a task, in the teeth of the unknowable future, why would we pretend it is not?
I will tell you what I know. There's not such thing as an overpopulation problem, quite the opposite. Society tends to be more and more civilized within time. More civilized citizens tend to have less children. Just look at USA or Europe data. We're having >2 children / couple. This means there's going to be a reduction in population over time. The thing that you're obviously thinking right know is: but there are some countries that have a lot of children! Absolutely true. Take a look in Bangladesh, their being slowly but surely civilised which means women have less and less children per generation. Use a little your imagination and over time you'll see even some countries on Africa will begin to stop having +5 children per couple. And just in case there's still any doubt on the subject, think about an overpopulated world. In nature when a carnivore almost extincts their preferable preys, they experiment the same fate, they start reducing in numbers due to the lack of food... And then, some time passes, the balance is recovered. Both, prey and predator are now recovered in more balanced numbers than ever before.
It doesn't mater, many peak countries are going over the cliff, and it can happen in a few years. Russia is interesting because the delay caused by the shift to the post USSR world, led to a 10 year break on childbirth, and they are toast. So even something that seems good is all it takes to loose millions of years of evolutionary advantage.
All the fearmongering done to promote overpopulation by special interests who were and are malevolent to the core (your local feminists cult, your sustainable control crowd) will become reality in case we don't have enough young people, you can recognize them by their statements such as "robots will replace much of the work, so there is no real problem here, hey science guy go whip up some quick robotic replacements" and you cant explain to those degenerates that there were no significant scientific discoveries in the past 50 years at least, we have limited options, all the "new" stuff you see are repackaged same tech maybe refined but not new and its insufficient to do the tasks they want it to do, the only way you can automate it is if you have highly deterministic system without adaptation which clearly is the benefit that you'd need to make a worker replacement, we do have machine learning however it's incapable to quickly adapt to changing environment, A.I. doesn't exist all the people who are using A.I. in their products are exploiting idiots, what's going to happen because of "underpopulation" or more like "lack of young people" is prices of labor will shoot trough the roof small and medium companies that actually fill government coffers will go bust and corporations will automate much of their production in order to increase production stability via standard methods, this will push inflation to extreme levels, grind growth to halt then reverse it, standard of life will drop 3-4 times and that's what's going to happen to well established rich, and powerful mostly western capitalist countries whilst poor countries and extreme poor countries that used debt to artificially increase their wealth at the cost of their population will become unimaginably poor and destitute famine, plague, riots, will be commonplace in those countries...etc i'd like to write more about it but it's pretty much worst case scenario which worthless degenerate vermin that got us into this mess to begin with described it would happen in case of overpopulation.
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Please don't use click bait. This title and picture is feeding into a culture of fear porn. Please... It's a really good interview, but may I ask you not to feed the fear porn.
As per what you said in your previous interview with Jordan (this saying really stuck with me):
"Do not do what you do not wish to become"
Hi interesting convo. You guys should talk about the upcoming zombie apocalypse. I know it's coming cause in my country belize some people who get sick with covid and go to the hospital are chosen to be tested on. They are infected with a zombie infection then poisoned or druged to study the reanimation. I am also infected and got infected while having to go through quarantine upon re-entering the country. It was a laced covid swab and I got sick after that day. My health had been declining since and I'm doing my best to fight it. I am in much pain and I can feel my body changing slowly and it hurts. I have no idea who to contact for help and can't go to the authorities since they are involved in having these tests done I fear I would be killed to cover up the story so I'm hesitant to make videos about my experience and pos5 it on youtube. Just hoping I can supress the infection long enough that my body adapts.
I would argue that the *depopulation phenomenon* goes back to _Noah's Ark._ Academically, however, the *depopulation discussion* is seen in Lord Byron, William Wordsworth, Shakespeare to Charles Darwin, etc. And given the history of governments and religious dogma, you can say that depopulation, i.e. *ethnic cleansing* goes back to the _CHRISTIAN/MUSLIM CRUSADES._ And let's not forget that the *Vatican* played the puppeteer role in the deadly war. At any rate, the point is that the depopulation talks are well-documented throughout mankind. Moreover, it is the so-called -self-proclaimed masters- behind their iron curtains that manipulate and accelerate the mass hysteria of everything that we're seeing now. It is them who weaponized this depopulation propaganda through mainstream *projective programming* for the so-called "necessary" governmental/elite-issued democide.
My theory is that population growth drops rapidly as soon as your society requires both parents to work. For the society to have children at a replacement rate, the economy needs to support a stay at home parent, or people will think it's too hard to have children.
In America, family ties have all but dissolved. It wasn't too long ago that multi-generational households we're the norm. Grandparents cared for the kids while parents work. When grandparents were very old they were cared for at home instead of shipping out to a nursing home.
working parents then feed their children sugar snacks and fast food. so the autism rates increase. and poor health decrease.
I agree with this. I have 3 kids and my wife stays home. My cousin has 5 and brother has 5. All have stay at home wives.
The society doesn't require both parents to work. It only encourages and propels people to choosing careers over having big families. The resources are all available, there are more than when Westerners had more children. It's that people have too many opportunities to choose monetary gains over family life. And there's a question of fairness, if, as you suggest, welfare states would increase their support for stay-at-home parents. Such support goes against the principle of increasing productivity, which is the basis of creating opportunities.
I think the only way humanity can survive if we bring back the traditional family norms and values. Too many women chase careers till their mid 30's and want to become 'independent'; by the time they want to have kids, they are either too old, too picky or have difficulty carrying children altogether; not to mention, feminism as a whole has created many issues as well.
I grew up w/ my granparents who were married shortly before the Great Depression. They raised 5 kids and then took on my brother and I. Gram would put on a pot of coffee after Church on Sunday, because someone would usually come to visit. There was a type of connection and ease with family and friends that is sadly lacking today. We've lost more than we've gained. My Wife and I also have 5 kids, but we have to work all the time. Families are being squeezed too hard.
Alas, I believe you’re right
I wish I'd had 5. We only have 3. I love them so much, they're such a delight, I wish I'd been open to more love and life.
Yes. There is a heavy price to be paid for having more stuff.
Expect a win fall to come soon and don't say no to the help
I'm going to Pray the burden is lifted from You both so you too can focus on family, values and compassion
I don't pray for money for myself as I find this is not a good thing, but I can Pray for others burdens to be easier for them.
I Hope You see this, not to say it worked for me to hear, I Hope You see this so when this Prayer is answered, You know where it came from, not me but God and You're to give all Glory and Gratitude to God for this and not one ounce towards me, but if this win fall is the lotto, well I'm on disability with around 20 diseases, high risk stroke patient and multiple fractures in my spine, but most of all my conditions have been healed by Jesus, all Glory to God.
Much Love from Heaven above and May God Bless You if so Willing
I Love You too
Goodnight my friend
It is done.
I have no Children and always wanted to be a Grandfather telling the Grandkids my stories in life as they sit and listen in amazement. I'm 50 this year and been single for 7 years, no dating no sex, no lust at all Thank God, but You my friend have been blessed to have 5 children as your Grandparents did and don't be surprised if You and the wife end up adding 2 more under your wing that come out of blue as You and Your Brother did to them.
Truly You are blessed to have children, enjoy every second that is to come that is extra time added to your schdule to allow more time with family, friends and neighbours
May Father God Bless You and those You Love
When I was in my twenties, we were warned that human population would spiral out of control. We were also supposed to fear a coming ice age. Now were told the opposite. Predicting the future is a fool's errand.
Red Shark *
I totally agree ! That ice age thing ! So crazy - I think most Scientists are mad !
Politicians control science . They're psychopaths . Literally .
And because of that we now in a mess they left. Covid and Russo Ukraine war.
@@joannebutcher860 Ironically the ice age part is true, the difference is that climate change got us from outside that one, but it's going to work against us when this cold period finally lifts.
You've got to be around my age. I "learned" those things as well. Neither one turned out to be true. Jordan Peterson is not the only one who's onto what's really happening with the population, and it's not about growth. It's about decline; serious decline
My biggest issue for not having kids is not having enough money. I'm in the US and the cost of living is ridiculously high even without kids. Inflation. Inflation. Inflation.
Read my 'population assist' idea
Look at the Irony of this whole comedy. It wasn't war that destroyed us, It wasn't disease either, a comet probably won't end us,not even an asteroid. The human race will end due to a dollar bill. Sad but eventually true
Your government is just busy supplying war in Ukraine.
Thank the government and the Federal Reserve. Inflation is basically an implicit tax. It's created when more money is created out of thin air beyond our means. Basic economics, really. The more of something there is, the less value it holds, and the vast and overwhelming majority of Dollars to have ever been in circulation have been created since 2020, maybe even 2021. Getting rid of the Fed and returning to sound money would go a long way toward easing people's burdens, I think.
Depends on where in the US you live
Reasons for this phenomenon
1. Shrinking of middle class requiring both parents to work
2. Dramatic increase in cost of having and raising children, particularly cost of education
3. Increase in work culture generally taking more and more available time from families
Just say unchecked capitalism.
4. Vaccc1nes
And both parents work 10 to 12 hour days. 6 and 7 days a week.
birth rates trail marriage rates
but peterson is too chicken to call that out
what does he want, single mothers?
1. we were lower middle class, but we chose to life simply so I could stay home with the kids. 2. Kids don't eat much and their clothes is cheap, especially if you get hand me downs and shop at Goodwill. Also, education is free, except for about $30 in school supplies each year. College is mostly free too, if you kids earn it by making good grades for a scholarship. 3. YOU control 'work culture.' You get to choose how important work is to you in your life.
It's not easy to make it, but it is doable, if you're not materialistic and focus on love rather than having nice things.
The cost of housing and living increases and people respond by having less children, who didn't see that one coming?
its the dissolving of the nuclear family, female education , contraception & abortions being the reason for population collapse in western countries. Not housing costs. - its ever since the rise of feminism in the 20th century, children also used to work, whereas now they are massively expensive.
Nope, Africa and the Middle East still going strong. Those people will rule the world in the future.
@@connorjames6226 bruh stop spouting rhetoric and think. Korea, japan, taiwan too i think have even lower birthrates than the west. Do you mean to tell me these countries are more feminist than the USA or europe?
@@coops1992 just population alone does not make your country a power. Africa and the midle east will be under China‘s thumb even more in the future.
@@connorjames6226 Connor hot take but Abortion and Contraception are the greatest tricks men have ever played on women it allows them to use women for sex without any responsibility if she gets pregnant and its insane how so few women have realised this they are using you Contraception allows you to have sex inside of wedlock and Abortion ensures the irresponsible man does not have to take responsibility for his actions
I really enjoy Dr. Peterson’s contrarian stances on things that I’ve been raised to believe to be universal truths. Really sheds light on how profoundly tight these hysterias have a grip on our culture. Phew, thank god for this man.
We need to keep reproducing so we can continue to evolve. We have come far, why end it now?
@@jacksparrow3025 that's not how evolution works...evolution allows for those species that have adaptions to their environments to thrive. The idea that a species is "highly" advanced is incorrect as there's nothing that can define what that means. In 100 generations, humans could evolve into something that is "less complex" than we are today if it allowed them to survive in their current conditions.
@@RicardoGonzalez-bn5uu I think you may have misinterpreted what he meant. Our ability to evolve would slow down if we decreased our population. Jack was advocating that we shouldn't stop reproducing hence multiplying the number of potential adaptations. Not everyone is a scientist and do not need to know and understand the particulars. Jack has the basic gist of it and that's perfectly fine.
@@perezclark123 agreed, right after I replied...I realized that he could have also been referring to societal and technological evolution. Face palm moment on my behalf lol
@@JumboCod91 I think it’s too hard to tell in a case like you propose. People in the early 1900s wouldn’t have thought of WWI and subsequently WWII having the effect that it did on the world.
The climate of today may effect future generations socially but for who knows how long before something altogether different changes the system again. Evolutionary Biological time frames and the rapid change of society in last two centuries are occurring at vastly different rates
As a hospital leader I can tell you this is already a problem and it’s coming to roost right now, there simply aren’t enough young people in the healthcare workforce, I’ve only been there for 11 years and now I’m one of the most senior people there, between retirement, quitting due to stress and over worked, covid, etc. we don’t have enough workers to keep up w the increasing volume of patients
The solution should be simple than, less healthcare for the old, sick, and burdens on society. If it were animals we would know what the humane thing to do is!
You use the word "increasing" volume of patients implying that there is a greater percentage of people as patients than previously. Are there more people proportionately falling ill than in years gone by, and if so why? Could it be that the way our way of life has changed (NOT developed) over the last 100+ years is unhealthy for humans? I think so. Despite the discovery of antibiotics to cure many deadly diseases and other medicines to cope with many health problems, all sorts of new health problems keep appearing, debilitating rather than deadly, but destroying peoples' lives because they cannot function fully.
@@sebastianstarr007damn lol
@@sebastianstarr007amen brother. I used to know an absolute mooch who had a genetic heart failure condition. $100K+ in free healthcare, numerous free surgeries, plus free top tier insurance. My working, contributing ass has to pay $8K for minor laparoscopic surgery... Make it make sense.
@@sebastianstarr007 1.humans are animals, we are clasified as mammals
2.people in prehistóric times took care of the sick and old people, but now with all advancments can't, it seems You do not want to make the effort
When the elites start saying there’s to many people on the earth and something has to be done, “well go ahead and start with yourself and do us all a favor. Leave this planet by any means you wish.” They say there’s to many of us but for some odd reason they don’t count themselves as one of the “to many of us.”
And all the people in the world would fit in two counties in florida
@@frankjokel99 the world has 510.100.000 km² surface (including oceans) this means there''s 0.06 km2 for each person (7.7 billion). Now live on that piece of land and you're dead. It's not about how high we can get our population. It's about what humanity does with the space given. Much goes to shit because of humans (including me). We just need to let it go. Nature will push the reset button when needed(like it did so many times before)
@@kizurir8816 seems when I was born I was already paying rent to some land owner robber Barron..and I'm still paying rent to some greedy little psycopath who lied and cheated his way to owning every inch of dirt I stand on.
But this is why we are lied to on a million levels so we never figure out we are born slaves to opulent dynasty family members and their sniveling obsequious toddies enablers.
@@chuckthebull you'll own nothing and be happy. They'll own it all.
@@nofutureproductions9242 -and they fullly believe as they have their entire history..they will own each of us too..you will own nothing but they will own you is exactly what they are saying..take your Somma,,a Huxley brave new world order is comming and you are going to need to be on Pfizer drugs to swallow it.
They crapped on the youngs for so long. We got crushed. And now theyre confused why we can't afford families?
There's no ethical solution out of this. I mean we could just have an age of death where we send people to the afterlife to prevent societal collapse to due their being to many consumers vs producers or release a deadlier variant of covid which we have in the labs but anything short of that or mass immigration won't prevent collapse
My thoughts exactly
Can’t afford or aren’t willing to!?
The government does help you know 🙄
@@cjpeery the governments caused all these problems, i think they've done enough
@@cjpeery when they feel like it
There's enough on this planet for everybody's needs, but not enough for everybody's greed
We need a system that stops the greed and distributes it fairly
@@mattysav4627 who will then determine what “fair” is though?
We produce enough food waste to feed the world. World hunger is not* a food production issue, it's a logistical/political one
THIS IS THE MOST ACCURATE STATEMENT AND THE REASON OF POPULATION DECLINE IN THE WEST. CONGRATULATIONS SIR/MADA
If population decreases on its own naturally without forced compliance, that is good for mother earth, less garbage and less air and water pollution. The ecosystems will have a chance to bounce back if people are in balance with our ecosystem. Living in high rise apts. is not "in balance". Check out the "Mouse Utopia experiment". We're seeing a glimpse of this in many cities today.
It's that point in an MMORPG where some players have inflated the economic system so much that people are simply leaving the game 'cause they don't have enough hours to grind the amount of money/resources they need to enjoy the game.
sounds like real life need some money sinks LMAO
@@RafaelROUNDUP Don't worry. I don't know where you live, but the "tax" money sink is most probably going to increase. Enjoy ;-)
Inflating the economy will do that. Why won’t they stop?
@@FazeParticles Because it's short term beneficial to some greedy people. Hence why we need to adopt an incorruptible currency such as bitcoin, which is designed as a tool to combat political induced inflations and control. Decentralized with no one at the top. But the WEF doesn't want you to know that and the Mass Media and politicians work closely together to demonize these innovations, and corroborate to take away your freedoms. All in the service of the great reset. And it's being exposed in Canada right as we speak. Earlier today an MP asked about Klaus Schwab and wanted to know how many people in the parliament are members of the World Economic Forum. He got silenced and cast out in a heartbeat. The video is on UA-cam. Why? Because Klaus Schwab has already openly admitted that Justin Trudeau and at least HALF of the Canadian parliament are members. And the same is true for EVERY other 1st world democratic country...
Let me add to this that Bitcoin is THE ONLY crypto currency that has these qualities. Every other coin has people in charge who can increase and decrease the amount of coins there are as they please. The number 2 coin, etherium, has already changed their max cap 7 times!
My school literally taught us in 10th grade that an ageing population is a bigger concern than overpopulation at this point
Unless Logan's Run become real.
Well, the Pandemic solved about 10% of that problem. and considering that the older generation is working 5-10 years longer also limits the problem.
You will have to work your hand to the bone for the rest of your life to pay for these fat people's health care and retirement pensions. Enjoy
"literally"
Well, Like most American teachers who think they know how the world works. They’re wrong.
" You're on the side of the planet? Whatever the hell that means. "
Priceless.
To be fair, we are all on a side of the planet.
I'm on the side of the planet. The western hemisphere side, to be exact.
Indeed. It reminds me of something George Carlin said. We assume we humans are separate from nature and yet we are in fact a product of nature. We are a vital part of nature's plan.
Exactly. It's not obvious at all that the planet HAS a side. It's nothing but a vessel. What's valuable is the life in it, and if we truly had our priorities straight we'd understand that all we truly have is each other, and of course, the other life forms that share this world. If the leftist hatred of humanity is allowed to propagate, we'll never flourish enough to leave Earth, or to take other life with us. We'll wither and vanish in a cosmic blink of an eye, whenever and however the universe decides that our time is up.
@@Jams848484 Nah, bruh. We're all on the same side of this sphere.
While I understand the economics of population decline, I also think that any economic system which requires perpetual population growth is doomed to fail.
And what system requires perpetual growth? Capitalism 🎉😂
@@JC-ox8yl Socialism does too. Social Security is a great example. The math only works with population growth. Hit a population decline, and it ceases to function. Just one reason why Social Security was a terrible idea. You would be better off putting your lifetime of social security tax into the stock market. Even if the worst market crash in history hit just as you were about to retire, you would still get more money back.
Doesn’t require growth. Just replacement
Yes, let's just ignore the burning little detail that many people who want children are horrified by the price tag attached to them. Long gone are the days where people could get married at the age of 19, have one spouse working a 9-5 job and able to easily afford to buy a house, raise four children and get a few luxury items along the way. Now we're all being saddled with mounting student debt that cuts into our ability to buy an ever more expensive home with ever decreasing wages, not to mention that the very act of having a child often costs as much as that child's college education will, and that's just what the hospital charges for the birth.
Children are expensive as hell. If you don't ever think your dreams will come true,go and have kids. But if you actually plan on achieving your dreams,don't have kids!!
@@ShinkuGouki That might be taking it a step too far. I like to believe that people can be parents and achieve their dreams as well, especially women. Everyone should in the perfect world be able to do what they want.
@@robertgronewold3326 People that haven't completed their education and don't have a career shouldn't be having kids. Having kids doesn't hinder your ability to start a business or save money??
Of course it does. Having kids costs time and money. The very wealthy don't have to worry about this. I'm talking about the majority.
" . . . able to easily afford . . ." It was never easy.
@@allanfifield8256 Okay boomer.
I’m fascinated by Dr. Peterson. He challenges all the views I’ve developed in the last 20 years.
I don’t agree with him on all things but his opinion does make me pause and reflect.
YES. This is his tremendous value to all of us ---and why the guardians of established thought detest him.
Unhappy people don't stay married and have lots of children. When people get happier the population will increase. the way to happiness is forgiveness, not blaming. We are maxing out on blaming; a pandemic in which people are blaming other people for getting sick is the sign that we are turning around. A worldwide elite justification of tyranny that people are refusing is another sign.
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@@robertdouglas8895 This might be true in a modern marriage, but I'm not so sure it holds for marriages where women are fully reliant on their husbands, as was the case in the early part of the 20th Century and is the case in many impoverished countries. That said, I really hate how women are shamed for wanting to stay home and raise their children. Everyone knows children do so much better when their parents are around and invested in the wellbeing of their children. :)
@@robertdouglas8895 "most people" my uncle is unhappy and he is still having children with his wife, and they live at 2 separate households.
Having already discussed this 'problem' with most of my friends, who are nearly all single or in a relationship with no children. Most of them including myself are in the mindset of 'how would I find the time and money to bring up children?' Personally I find it an ongoing exhausting daily grind, just to look after myself and my partner. I live in the UK and I'm 46 years old, so it's never going to happen. My partner has just taken on a 2nd job as it's the only way she can get some savings in the bank, so I see her even less now. The UK government will finally realise, probably when it's already too late, that an economy can't survive without it's minions to do all the crappy jobs that they wouldn't want their kids doing.
All this is TOTALLY the game plan of the IMF. Look up Klaus Schwab's book and it's all there. Just one other point. Get any savings out of the bank. NOW 🙏
everything is planned and orchestrated by the elites, nothing happens by accident anymore.
It seems the big wigs arent having enough kids either...
@@lieshtmeiser5542 they’ve finally realised what a pain in the arse they are.
@@GK1976A Yeah, this could be true. Its like the meme of donating all the wealth to the local cat haven instead of the greedy family members.
Families going extinct is always an option...
My observation is that in our small bubbles in our small cities, our areas seem to have no room. For anyone. Everywhere you go is traffic. Every restaurant has a wait. Every home is over priced, the cost of everything is too high. All of these indicators usually point to a supply shortage, and supply shortaged usually points to not being able to meet the demand. Everyone in our generation 25-35 years now, has been getting kicked by these indicators since we have been adults. We all look at each other and say, well i didnt change anything....but now my drive to work takes 3 times as long. So whole trying to stay afloat and mentally strong and resilient, i should voluntarily add raising a child into the mix. Its tough for us to climb yet another mountain.
And unlike many other goods in capitalistic markets, one does not simply produce more land, water, or clean air. Under any other situation, we would be considered hostage to a land cartel as the supply of land is low relative to demand, but even such a land cartel can't make more land open for settlement for there isn't such land left anywhere
All of these factors are being generated to maximize profits. Create a community that is easily manipulated by false scarcities, constant underlying fear, pitting one group against another, then just sit back and see how far these factors continue to work. If not create a new virus that's just the old one but give it another name and number. Don't worry most people now a days haven't had basic biology classes so they don't know how fast they mutate and therefore are virtually immortal. But humanity has been getting along and adapting right along with them for years. AMAZING!! It's all engineered by larger and larger corporations wanting to control every facet of human life with the one main goal being MAXIMIZE PROFITS.
not so much we need land but the cost of developing it. bringing in power,water, phone and cable lines, sewage.
true
@@john5150.Where to go.
I am probably Jordan's age and I remember reading the book "The Population Bomb" by Paul Erlich. In it he claimed that there would be mass starvation by 1984 IN THE UNITED STATES. That book came out in the 70's and scared me so bad I went down to the doctor and got a vasectomy. I wasn't going to have any children if I could help it. Then years later, when my wife started feeling her hormones ebbing away she begged me to have it reversed. In those days it was a 50-50 chance of success by it worked for me and we had two kids. Best thing that ever happened to me.
All the books on Starvation and overpopulation…were Correct….they only left out the Mechanisms by which it would Come….we had a few thousand years of perfect even Climate…and few events that were devastating or effective as Tambora…but….if we do ..and we will…have radical events or Climate Collapse….it is more guaranteed…that mass Starvation will come in 2 years….with 8 billion…..it is amazing we got this far down the Road….but the systems that made 8 billion possible are reaching their limits….oh yes…there are limits to Everything.
Check Paul Erlich's early life section and you'll know why he promote the overpopulation idea.
@@sebbensebbenandsebben691 they say 800,000 Cats are out to Sleep….each year….our Food and Medical System…..are Not designed to keep you Healthy….they are industries…as the big Pharma…a designed system…..the Human bio Mass sustains….in the 50s it was well documented by Weston Price….but here we are….nothing much Changed…..8 billion Consumers….made a lot of Family’s very very Rich….but I have come to the conclusion….that we are like a huge herd of Cattle…during a severe Drought…..the Rancher cannot Sell them and he cannot Feed them and the Land has Failed…..everywhere I go it seems Crowded …congested ….hectic….an amplifying Rat Race….and the Rats are in a big Hurry….I believe this Planet was designed to support a specific number under natural Conditions…but 8 billion humans have completely changed that Harmony.
The Buffalo herds are gone…the millions of Beaver are gone….millions and millions of Whales…also gone….the old growth Trees …mostly gone….there are a few Elephants left….but we need Automobiles….not Buffalo……We should See the handwriting on the Wall…and drop Denial.
In the 70s they also predicted the next 'Ice Age' was coming...God help us for listening to these nihilists. Glad you had a happy ending - a large swath of the younger generation will not be so fortunate, and will miss out on this blessing God has given humanity
@@rayn3038 easy with the meds, my guy.
I always wanted to have a big family since I was little, but was always worried about the financial issue. My sister recently got married and is staying home with her new baby even though they don't have a lot of money and i realized the issue wasn't really finances but expectations. They have a humble life but are happy.
I have 2 children one boy and one girl and I too was always worried about finances but today I am financially stable and ready for a 3rd child, people just need to know how to spend their money, less creditcards, contracts for new phones and Starbucks but that's the standard of living most people don't wanna part with🤷
Honestly, you will never have kids if you wait to have your finances in order.
@@kfedyanks or having it at 38 and get into retirement when the child is still on their elementary school
Raising children when you have little money is NOT fun.
That is exactly how my wife and I worked it out. It works.
I got married 22 years ago. I was 24 and my wife was 21. We had our first sooner than we thought and he was premature. We had to rely on some good old fashioned government assistance for a year and then got on our feet. We had four more kids (without government assistance) and have been running ever since. There are a few things I would do differently but not having five kids isn’t one of them. What it comes down to is that you CAN do with less. Unchecked Capitalism is not the problem. It is unchecked wants. Kids are a sacrifice. A big one. But anything worth having requires big sacrifice. It’s a refining fire. A trip to Disneyland is a once in a lifetime thing. Not a once a year thing. You can do with an LG phone instead of an iPhone. You don’t actually need Netflix, Hulu, or Disney plus. Your kids don’t need extra presents because your sister gave HER kids more. Presents don’t equal love. People talk about the “Good Ole Days” when raising a family was easier. My grandpa used to say that the only good thing about the “Good ole Days” is a bad memory. He grew up during the Great Depression. He said “dollars (silver) were as big as wagon wheels and there were damn few of them.” It’s never been easy or convenient to raise kids and if you wait until your totally ready you won’t ever have any. I know some can’t have kids or just do get the opportunity. But the ones who can and do have the opportunity should. Strong families are an amazing antidote to overreacting governments.
Well said 👍😊👏👏👏
Thanks for sharing your family stories. This is the backbone of our country.
Brilliantly put Brian!
I agree. To this day only went to Disney once, and sadly it was before my youngest was born so he got screwed but we thought we were done haha I've got six kids, four I gave birth to and two I took on when my sister died. Husband had to work three jobs and I had to do daycare in order to stay home with my kids. I caught so much crap for staying home too, even by other women, actually, especially by other women! It wasn't fun and I often remained silent because I dreaded the question, "So what do you do?" I'd tell them and they would walk away. I never thought I made the wrong decision though. I knew I could raise my kids better than a daycare center and I was right. I have one daughter who is a double PHd , a Biologist and a Geneticist, and got scholarships for everything by working hard. Another is a Registered Nurse and another a Psychologist. Married young and three kids by 26, the fourth years later at 36. Here I sit now 52 and thirty years married still with with two teens and an 8 year old still at home. In some ways husband and I DO regret having so many because we've never had any time to ourselves but not in a serious way. Whole plan was to have kids young and be in our forties when they leave home and then he and I could travel. That plan is out the window.
Do you think that your kids will be able to afford to own their own home?
Maybe I can help Jordan here since I'm one of those people; how I see it: a system that relies on an ever-increasing population of young to supplant the old is inherently unsustainable. So, either it's a bad system and is fixed or it's only a matter of time until it extinguishes itself. But our system either can't, or won't, be fixed. So by process of elimination there is only one outcome left. And while I'm not happy about it, I am accepting of it. He asks, "what are we going to do about it?" Nothing. Enjoy the time you have left with the people who you care about.
I don’t hear strong arguments as to why we need more people. “More young people to support the aging sector…” is not a strong argument IMO, even though calamity does await us boomers if the economy/healthcare systems fail.
I also do not hear about creating a system that includes those marginalized and therefore not contributing to social/economic growth.
Avoiding population collapse would be a good thing. But I disagree with the idea that our population needs to grow.
I’m curious as to why you think our system will extinguish itself, if by that you mean extinction of our species. I see some rough road ahead, but not extinguishment or extinction.
If, on the other hand, you mean our economic/governmental systems will be extinguished as they are replaced by other systems, I understand.
Most people are afraid they can't afford to live if they have kids because of the ridiculous cost of living is too much.
Not true buddy, the richer people get the less children they have.
No, people in the poorest countries have the most kids. It's exactly reversed. The COL crisis in the West is pretty recent, but this trend is decades old. This is bigger than the hype of the day, which cost of living essentially is.
In my opinion i don't think money is the issue i think women these days require a lot of money and require the lifestyle that they sees in social media, they sees women without kids they say we don't want kids they sees women who has a lot of money they say they want a rich men ,they sees women with tall men they says we want tall men , i hope we have some how educations about the fake lifestyle and how to not think like how some influencer think , that is just my opinion, and my theory
Accept immigrants.western people won't help they weak like you. Stop lying..... Africa has a damaged economy but we thriving, it's selfish to think the way you do because it's all about you and money. How depressing it is to be wealthy yet have no legitimate heir.
Rich people don't want kids though and I support that. No need to fill the pockets of the child focused industries.
My biggest regret about having children. Is the level of leverage society now has over you. What I am willing to do to keep my kids safe fed and healthy could be used as blackmail for a governing body, or individual.
Thats so true, I feel the same. Im worried about the repercussions on my children and my hands are tied.
This is why I've been telling my kids since they were preteens not to bring children into this world. It's a scary place!
You are over thinking it Mac. Enjoy your family. Cheers
It is true, and have always been like that, but what i'm afraid is that a majority of us, has lost or can no longer see the beauty of creating life or life just getting to live and prosper. People aren't searching for the mysteries that lurk behind corridors of choices made in ones life, or relishing in the fact that we got to live; be it a sad life or an ordinary life, in my book thats way better than having no life at all. This might be hypocritical, but i'm properly also choosing not to have children and it isnt cause of what i just mentioned, but that i don't want the hassle. Maybe that will change when i grow older we'll have to see.
@@markandersen8235 they're a big hassle that's for sure!
I don't think his main point is about the disaster of underpopulation, though he probably wants people to consider not making inevitable struggles worse by not having children they would have otherwise had. He's more using that point 1) to dispel the prevalent myth of overpopulation and 2) to use it to suggest the plausibility that there is a growing anti-life sentiment that runs deeper than the surface talk of population (or politics) and, having infected the minds of many institutions, it may wreak havoc like we can't imagine. So that people can be aware of the mindset -- see it in themselves and/or others.
Why do people always rush from one extreme to the other. Having 1-2 children is perfectly fine, it's just replacing yourself. Middle grounds are an option too.
in some ways, it's a self-solving problem. those with no life drive (the obedient, the simpering) will not reproduce. those of us with courage and strength and virtue will.
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 "virtue" LOL
Over population is not a myth, like climate change is not a myth. People just refuse to accept concepts that they reject emotionally, instead of doing research of the subjects dispassionately.
@@CrakenFlux politicians with no knowledge on the matter but economic interests, spreading misinformation to gullible people, aren't helping either.
Thing is, patenting sucks. Plenty of other things to occupy your time in a wealthy country. I don't blame young people for opting out at all. They see the day to day grind people like me go through and say no thanks.
One of the biggest deterrents to having offspring are the costs. Wages are stagnant and housing is unaffordable. How are us young people supposed to afford to start a family when we are just getting by?
You cannot afford to have children now......society is collapsing.
Why have children? So they can suffer? So they can be enslaved by societies? Why would you have children today?
Fins something to flip. Really. It’s out there.
For me I just don't like kids at all. Spent my childhood going to school, coming home and dealing with 2 young siblings. I despise kids so much I'm embarrassed to have been one because I would have hated myself just for being soo f-ing needy. It's not something small humans can control, and people I respect the most are those who want kids, but I am not one
@BVale not a good time to start a family .
Jordan Peterson is a kindred spirit to me as we both understand the old saying “people love your honesty until you are honest with them”.
Yeah...especially women.
Not me I love when people tell me what I think cause if there right I get an opportunity too change myself for the better if there wrong I ignore them . What I hate is when people pander too me and don't mean it
Trying to show honesty to people, makes them feel uncomfortable. But how uncomfortable will people be, when reality strikes, and they are ill-prepared for it?
Our channel and our blog opens the door. If only more people would step through and enlighten themselves; the world would know, and the games would have to stop.
Happens to me every day 🤦🏼♂️.
I'm not rude either.
@@pantherman8719 So very true! I'm a woman and when I'm asked by some woman "does this dress make me look fat?" My answer is, you can't blame the dress. :)
John Calhoun's "Behavioral Sink" research in the 1960s and 70s studied the impact of overpopulation on mammals. The odd thing was Calhoun's mammal populations never hit maximum capacity, let alone reached the status of "overpopulation." Yet, with great predictability Calhoun's mammal populations experience catastrophic collapse before overpopulation!
I became aware of Calhoun's research just a handful of years ago, but it seems to me Calhoun's work predicts the collapse of male-female relationships within utopian socialist conditions.
if only those utopian socialist conditions actually existed then we wouldn't have this problem
socialism just doesn't work. the government takes businesses away at gunpoint and tells everyone "now if you want something you have to come to me" and that always ends in shortages, famines, abuses of power and possibly genocide
@@caralho5237 - I understand your objections, and AGREE.
However, Calhoun absolutely did create just such a utopia for his mammals! He selected the healthiest mammals through medical screening, and then placed the test subjects in a completely enclosed environment free of any predators. Calhoun's environment included common social spaces, private mating spaces, and family spaces true to the nature of the tested mammals. He then provided a wide variety of the healthiest food, routine medicine, and waste management for the test subjects.
Calhoun was careful not to withhold any needs of the mammals, including what might be called "playground toys" for exercise and amusement.
Yet experiment after experiment, both large studies and small, saw a repeated pattern. At roughly 2/3rds capacity of the environment, the mammal populations experienced a catastrophic population implosion. This baffled Calhoun as it went against all of the overpopulation theoretical models. Yet there it was - a data set that predicted with great regularity the demise of mammal populations in utopian conditions.
NOTE: MY INTERPRETATION.
While Calhoun was studying the effects of overpopulation on mammalians to hopefully gain insight to predictive patterns of human populations, Calhoun actually found something far more compelling. In his last and largest study in Scandinavia, Calhoun described with great detail the progression of the decline.
It appears that the socialism utopian conditions disrupted male-female mating behaviors so intensely that females no longer needed males or wanted offspring. And the males, with nothing much to do and growing more hostile toward the females, began widespread open warfare! Calhoun reported the large population of unattached young males began killing off other mice - young and old, male and female with increased regularity. A perpetual state of violence continued, in spite of utopian conditions of everything the mammals could want, until the population was completely dead.
@@christopherlarsen7788 Very cool experiment, think i heard about it somewhere
I thought you were open to the possibility of a socialist government for a second but i was wrong, my bad
I'm reminded of those Star Trek episodes where Kirk went out of his way to smash utopias, and got away with it. Looks like Starfleet maybe knew something...
One of the reasons why western Europe is advanced is because socialism was part of their political ideology. America is a shit hole
World population NEEDS to shrink. It would bring more resources for those who remain. The modem system NEEDS to fail.
A return to a close connection to the earth is the key to happiness, mental health, etc, and that can't happen with so many people.
The problem is not the people, its the sociopaths who steal from them. In old times they had nobles, now this. Inoptimality due to parasites. Has nothing to do w pop numbers, 70%of us are above 50.
I agree the population needs 2 shrink.
Tell Sub Sahara Africa
Yes, because resource distribution was great a few centuries ago when there were far less people in the world.
Desert countries can't support large populations. There simply is no way to grow enough food, in other words, if a country cannot grow enough food to supply it's population with basic nutrition, it's overpopulated.
For me the best time to be alive was early 90’s to early 2000’s. Society has just been going downhill ever since so really couldn’t care less if there is a population crash.
This is done by design. We became a morally degraded society. Everything that was wholesome and beautiful is now vacuous and ugly and oppressive. So much so that people are willingly offing themselves not to exist in this place
Can't agree more. Probably the greatest time since humans existed on this planet. There was actual peace and people all sorts where happy with themselves, did not care to dig what others did in their life.
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I would start it in the mid-'80s and if you can ignore the bitter taste of Jimmy Carter, the mid-70s. It was a beautiful time to be alive, cruising was fun, and bonfires and sleeping on the beach were legal.
Simplicity was apart of that..... Material obsession is slowly taking over.... People seem more concerned over what eachother has rather than just being a good human...
If parenting is so economically important (to society) how can we make it significantly less economically punishing (to the individual)?
Stop the class of people who print money and tax us all with inflation. Inflation kills.
Although I agree with the other replies here, living more frugally is an option as well. You probably don’t need everything you own and kids don’t need nearly as many toys and luxuries they have on average today.
Since the pandemic: Finland has seen a 7 percent leap in births, and Denmark and Norway have experienced 3 and 5 percent bumps, respectively.
This right here is the question people need to ask.
On the flip side of that, what should serve as detterants to people abandoning parental responsibilities? And how do we stop people with broken marriages blocking their former partner from having their rightful place in their children's lives?
This is the first time ive seen a back up to "the empty planet " about the same thing. So thanks for this.
Look into the Fermi Paradox
@@yourpersonaldatadealer2239 how do you connect the Fermi paradox to declining population? I'd like to follow your thought, but I can't see what you mean.
@@OZUndead He is saying, once a civilization becomes advanced enough, their population declines drastically. Implying, this would be one of the big filters.
@@maximiliannowak7860 Ahh thanks for clarifying, in my mind the famous question "where is everybody?" was echoing around without considering this aspect.
@acedudeism wat?
When a society creates primarily subsistence level jobs/wages which keep the majority on a hamster wheel in perpetuity it shouldn't surprise anyone that people think/believe there is overpopulation
The society or the government?
Except extremely recently, everyone has been at bare subsistence level. Economic conditions really isn't a factor in fertility rates.
Been aware of this for well over a decade, so many in their late 20s or 30s have no kids, many aren't in relationships, also know many people in their 40s with no kids. Its going to drop off the cliff.
Let's hope so!
That's good news.
@@kissme1518 yeah lol. I see people being so worried about this... we need LESS people on this planet.
Less people means that you don't have the workforce to replace what you previously had this is especially bad in our globalised world as economies become stagnant there is less money less credit in the system to facilitate growth. Good look to Africa when it become economically disadvantaged to ship them resources as western nations become more focused internally especially with the developing climate crisis. Aging demographics are horrible for any nation population decline is not a major issue if it is controlled but mass depopulation is catastrophic.
I'm not one of those who hate humanity, but i do hate greedy capitalism and big government. I am happy that the population is declining, maybe then people can actually afford a house?
There is such a need for society to slow down, to thoughtfully raise children, a need to not continually struggle. Everyone would be happier and healthier...but the current government and rampant inflation (and more) are against us.
If there are not enough working adults to offset the money spent on the retired and ill then society will collapse.
@@Madonnalitta1 just work until we die so the deadbeat socialists can sit around and ride wellfare.
@@midget9629 If social security is offered to you when you get old, you will take it.
And it's ALL been DELIBERATELY planned.
People live in a state of unbridled consumption and fear. We slave away trying to get a bigger house, a newer car, better stuff... We do this while being afraid of terrorism, a virus, or whatever government and media say is going to harm us. Then, we gladly hand over our sovereignty and continue struggling to make ends meet.
what else do you expect from a consumer based economy? Extreme consumption creates greed, greed creates unsustainable living wages, lack of a living wage creates low fertility
Wrong. The rich have the fewest children, the poor have the most
Culture and Morals have a massive role to play in this mess. For much of America and Europe's time during the last 2 centuries, society was highly influenced by the cultural and moral beliefs of Christianity even if we structured our society secularly. Once the culture began to decay and the morals fade, the society began putting itself on the path of self-destruction. Fact is we have more than enough resources to sustain ourselves and a lot more people, but because of our lack of cultural guidance, there is nothing to channel our energy or ambitions to see it through. You can tell this is the case because the most efficient, patriotic, and stable groups of people in America today are the immigrants who arrived just in the last few decades, and that's not a coincidence.
Now too many people. Just check the status of fishing. Most fishes are contaminated any more because of excess of people.
A lot of these population collapse videos seem pretty tone deaf.
Having and raising children requires resources like money, community support, and time.
Even most of the comments under these videos acknowledge how expensive this is.
Who’s going to volunteer to have children when you have to spend most of your free time at work and even then can barely afford to house and feed yourself?
Both are true at the same time.
I'm in the first half of my thirties, live about an hour outside a major city, and I have 5 (so far). It's very doable, you just have to come at it from the right angle
I live in Portugal, I'm 25, I will often spend days without seeing a single fellow young person. Population decline is no joke because it really deeply affects the economical and political situation, young people have almost no effect on the country, and in the case of Portugal most of them especially the smartest, emigrate anyways which exasperates the issue. The whole country is geriatric, health problems are ubiquitous, Covid is like fire in a dry untended field in this situation. The bright side is that it's very calm and accommodating for an introvert like me.
The last bit sounds nice
I visited recently and I am entirely convinced there are more car dealerships than people. But a very peaceful coastline you are blessed with. Much love from Ireland 🇮🇪🇵🇹
@@johntaggart668 bro 😂😂😂😂
I find it Interesting how your covid situation is brutal considering you guys have one of the highest vaccination rates in the world with 110% of the population shot up. 🤔 I also find it interesting how here in Canada we’ve had more covid deaths and problems this year, than the year before any shots were even administered. 🤨
Wow so true. I visited right before the pandemic. I even asked my tour guide where all the kids were and she said there weren’t many. The only children I saw were the ones on vacation with their parents in my tour group. I went went with my best friend and we left our kids at home with our husbands so we fit right in lol .
It was definitely calm and quiet which is exactly what we needed. Beautiful country ♥️
I can recall reading about some financial research (nearly twenty years ago) which tallied up the overall tax burden for the average American citizen.
I was shocked to learn that it was 56% of earned income. (the study included income taxes, sales tax, property tax, luxury tax, government service fees, bridge and highway tolls, fuel taxes, etcetera.)
So, that looked rather ominous twenty years ago.
What do you suppose that overall tax figure has grown to, today?
My point is ... there is a reason that "Two Income Households" are the norm today. Obviously, when over half of the combined household income is taken away; that household becomes a "One Income Household"
In other words, for each working parent in the USA; one adult is working exclusively to support government, while the other is working to support family.
And, need I say ... if the figures were updated to reflect current tax burdens, it seems clear that the government takes a far bigger slice of the pie than it leaves for the children to divide.
Surely, there is a reason that this data is not published these days.
The globalists insist - "You will own nothing and be happy."
I saw an Afghan woman come here with her 5 children. So why can she do it and others can't?
@@gusgrizzel8397 Remember what you see isn't the entire story. Most immigrants work 3x harder than citizens because they aren't socially and financially established. There are many many many sacrifices made including time with their children. Ask a Chinese immigrant with a family of 5 how hard he actually worked to keep his family afloat and ensure his children had the means to have a better life than himself. He would never want his children to struggle to the same level he did. Saying they can do it why can't we is dismissing the sheer amount of hardships and sacrifice that went into their struggles to set up themselves and their families in this new country. The grass is not greener on the other side.
@@livelovelife32 Chinese people aren't coming across the border illegally to live off of us, and you know it. So stop lumping all groups together.
This might not technically be so bad if the large resources the government is taking in taxation were actually spent efficiently on things that improved the quality of peoples lives and made having children an easier thing to do
He seems tired but more relaxed in this interview. I hope he finds time to put his feet up every once and a while, he deserves it.
It’s probably tiring being so intelligent and having so much wisdom.
It's also tiring dealing with idiots.
@@gingernoggin3158 hello truth spoken!!
@@gingernoggin3158 Well you are 146 years old. 😆
He is attacked 24/7 by the establishment, governments, mainstream media and millions of NPC twitter drones. He's a lone voice preaching reality in a world of delusion.
I came to an important realisation. Middle class people need to be boosted for us to make more population. The attack on middle class by government is the problem here. They drain the middle class through various tax and restrictions and make it harder for them to make babies. Just my observation.
Not if they are even western conservative aka right-wing liberal. People who live in Jeddah or Moscow with traditional values are the type of middle class who should be having children.
No-one discusses the criminal danger imposed on people in relation to sexuality. It's a crime to have sex in front of children (why?). You'll have your child taken from you if you ask on the internet whether it's okay to feel aroused during breastfeeding. It results in a total ban on level relationships between young people and adults. The transmission of culture is blocked.
There's a difference between classic and neo marxism. Classic marxism went after the economic system and resulted in material shortages. Neo marxism went after the family and resulted in relationship shortages. Sure Wokeness has damaged economy and the middle class a bit, but there isn't a new Holodomor. But Wokeness has absolutely devastated relationships, marriages, communities, and souls.
the elite have all the money they need they just want to keep enough people to be slaves to them....thats it.
Or... improve social mobility, so that the most capable people rise. The flip slide, of course, is that the less competent members of the middle class must be allowed to fail, in order to free up resources. Social mobility is a two way street in a society that needs to adapt.
Wow I've wanted to hear an intellectual discussion on population for such a long time! Thanks guys!
feminism destroys civilizations
This discussion is so full of strawmen that you can hardly call it intellectual. Peterson had a debate with David Benatar and completely missed the point.
he missed out on sex-bots, when they come out, who will need a real mate?
@@cosmicprison9819 I think you need to look up the definition of the strawman argument.
A one sided discussion
I’m really starting to sense this is the end of times. I can feel it in my core.
No. Looking past the absurdities of our time, a brighter horizon looms. Yes we will in all likelihood redefine our existance on this earth to prosper with fairness for all. It's the only logical prospect.... Short of anaelation.
@@frankjacob1729 maybe fairness for all is a contributing factor for the fall of our society? more or less was for the romans
It's the end of this era. After the collapse, things will be better.
One could only hope 🙏
Hope you’re right.
One reason for a population decline is, technology means we simply do not need as many people. Working a farm by hand, having children to help is good. With modern tractors and equipment, the family of 5 or 6 is just not needed.
Humans will adjust.
The logical conclusion of your hypothesis is an anemic society where few humans work and the rise of the machines. All living things have a strong drive to reproduce, only humans are arrogant enough to think they have the planetary future figured out so they can rationalize NOT reproducing, arrogant fools.
I remember growing up in the 70s and early 80s in a large country of around 10 million, I could spend hours and hours in the bush, moving constantly, and not see any other human being. For some reason that was satisfying - that a substantive part of your life didn't involve another human or group or organisation of them. Probably not many people who live in large cities can do that these days literally by walking out to their backyard into a forest reserve, just 20 kilometres from the capital of a state.
Would have been nice. I cannot stand cities and suburbs, I prefer solitude.
@@randombassguy5780 When everything you think or do is about people, like when you live in a crowded city, you have to be a very social animal to not get dissuaded from that eventually, even if that person is only yourself.
Grew up in a rural area on 13 acres. It was great. Cannot imagine even growing up in a tract home. Seems so confined like a prison. My adult son moved to a large city and never leaves his small rental home. A 90-acre park is a stone's throw, but he never goes outside now. Just computers, video games & going to work and back. Sad. Does not look like much of a life to me...
I had a similar experience as a youth. Believe me, it changes the very fabric of who you are.
Those who've never experienced it will never know the benefits of being able to choose solitude and nature whenever desired.
Me too in a sub-rural town on the edge of a major city in the UK. Surrounded by woods, parks, fields and rivers. Birds, long gone, nested in people's gardens, there were fish in the streams. All that land has been built on now. The only people around in the day were the elderly and mothers with children. Hardly anyone had cars either, now you can barely drive through the town, some mornings I literally cannot reach the motorway 1 mile away.
What it worries me is that the basic western civilization that most countries wanted to copy around the world, will collapse too, this because the population issue will not happen all at the same time, we see it in the most stable countries that have massive migration(Like France, UK, and Germany) from already collapsed countries creating a cultural clash, triggering old instinct of protecting their land from the invaders and a cultural gap that creates fertile ground for conflicts. I still dream of an off-the grid house...room full of batteries for a 120V, a big water tank, a proper spot for plating grains. I'm so done with globalization, my brain cannot take so much information of world, past, present and future, which it most be a component of people putting a gun in their mouth, it's so much...
@Tom 1 Gualpiémé Jesus Christ is the only safe space worth having.. all else Will be a challenge
@Tom 1 Gualpiémé literally the only collective icon that forgives U for all sins if you admit then and ackowledge ur full of sin
@Tom 1 Gualpiémé if U admit ur full of sin Jesus Christ can release U from the sin, the punishment of absolutely all experiences.. and all experiences have sin, cause ure limited. After a long while without Jesus you Will eventually struggle to fight for basic right to exist. Your body itself Will Try to make U starve or die, cause believe it or not your very personality has the original sin, which is designed to deterioate U. You yourself is the worst enemy to yourself, cause you have the power to change. And its not enough cause you have sin, so eventually, maybe after conquering all ur competition, you Will start acting against your right to exist.. especially when you Are happy youll see this, cause self satisfaction promotes lazy feelings, and thats where the snake lives. The snake that eats U up, and that snake is in you. Not to mention the more self pride you have, the more people Will demand you to fix things, to the point they want you to die if you dont prove constantly you can save the world.. which you cant, cause Only Jesus can. No human besides Jesus has the power to save you from the weight of the entire universe.
@@fidgetyrock4420 🤦♂️preach elsewhere
Legend this is why im investing and saving ill go to a South american country and have a farm
I love Jordan Peterson so much for speaking about this.
What population collapse? The Left have been talking about this for decades and in fact a lot of them talk about eugenics and are in fact eugenicists. Remember it's the elite that believe that everyone should suffer except them off course. If we were to allow the ruling dolts to lord over us with these draconian lock down methods and silence dissent about alternative means of fighting this doomsday virus that was released a lot more would be dead. The left fought so hard to deny the science but didn't in fact let the science educate them or was it science at all but an insidious evil nature?
@@johnwayne2103 meanwhile in America the Duggar family exists...
They are both scared that there will be no one left to pay for their retirement and listen to them ramble on.
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It would be immoral for most young couples to have a child when they can't afford a home and they can't afford to take off time to work for child rearing
I'd love to have a kid but the idea of finding someone i'd want to have a kid with is basically unfathomable at the moment.
In 2022 is not the time to have children. I had my kids back in the 80s and '90s it was great. I'm not saying don't have children they are the best of the best they're my whole life and I love them I would die for them. Today no just no
@@lynnmorley9094 wages are so low in my area that it's basically impossible anyways. Hard enough to survive let alone feed a gremlin
The threat of being put on child support by some woman should be enough for any man to dodge fatherhood like the China virus.
to many have kids without thought to the responsibility, it's just the thing to do, and that's just wrong in so many ways . most of the rest want little mini-me's to stroke their oversized egos. those that are left either don't have kids for the right reasons, or have them and raise beautiful souls that nourish the planet and those they're around
Foster children need you.
I’m Canadian. In schools here it’s part of curriculum to teach about overpopulation, primary and secondary school, numbers that back up theories from what I recall. It’s interesting how I was “educated” on biased opinions, and not presented with all of the information, or encouraged to question certain given information in the Canadian education system.
What's the harm if our population gets reduced though? We will all have the chance to live like Bill Gates.
@@VisheshSharma you would be correct only if the population reduced and the amount of money stayed the same. But that’s impossible, if the population gets reduced the amount of money in the economy will also fall because there is not enough spending, leading to a economic downfall
@@_4L There'll not be an economic downfall. Yes, the number of transactions in the world will reduce but what's the harm in that? In earlier days even the simple people could afford a big house on less income because there was sufficient land and little burden on the resources. More people doesn't mean more money per capita it only means more competition for space and earth's resources. I know this because I have lived in India and there are too many people there and a lot more competition on the limited resources that we have. In the end, no one is able to live well.
It really is an evil agenda. It promotes hating humanity and promoting mass extermination like abortion.
@@VisheshSharma That might be true only if much of the population was instantly wiped out instead of aging out - although still nowhere near Bill Gates' fortune if we're still a billion or so people. However, if the population declines through aging, that will result in reduced wealth. Elders can't work and produce in the same way, they need certain support, some more than others.
Another point to consider would be how the decline of population is distributed. If it's, say, a natural catastrophe that wipes out the population of the Northern Hemisphere, there would be no increase in the income of the remaining population in the south. In fact, due to globalized economy and supply chain, their wealth would only reduce dramatically.
Wealth is produced by the combination of work, raw materials and energy. Reduce any one of those components and wealth declines.
It took me until I was 30 to start my family after I finally met my husband who was the first man I ever dated who actually wanted children (with or without me). I was the first woman he met who actually wanted children (with or without him). We have been inseparable since our first date. We now have 3 children and 1 on the way. I'm thankful but my heart breaks to think of how old I'll be for my adult children. I may not even meet my grandchildren. We're doing our best to teach our children the value of family even though we came from very broken and dysfunctional families.
Bless you. Don’t worry about your age, it’s just a number. My 85 year old aunt drove a tractor into the fields to retrieve a newborn calf. She was the youngest “old” person I’ve ever known. Take care of yourself, eat healthy and with 4 children you’re getting plenty of exercise. You’re only as old as you feel. ❤️
Well you should encourage your children to have more children. The future will need smart, kind, and thoughtful people.
The girls will have a easy time getting married and shit. However boys will have a much harder time, from unrealistic standards.
Children grow up so fast It is heart warming to hear that despite coming from dysfunctional families you can look past and try to be everything for your children. I am sure one day they will realize how important that is.
There is a plethora of good nutritional information of the Internet. I particularly like Dr Berg. Start slowly, but begin to eat a low carb, anti-inflammatory diet. Exercise as much as possible. You can easily live into your 80's. With God's help you can do it in reasonably good health.
being a mom is so undervalued, I've seen the way companies and society, in general treat them, so why would we want to have kids?...even spouses will leave all the responsibilities to the mom, and that's exhausting.
Exactly. Women are done doing all of the housework and the bulk of the child raising, while also working. We choose working because it at least allows us some autonomy.
We understand that any children we birth would ultimately be our responsibility. Men can just walk away so much easier.
Its better than having to go to some corporate bs job where nobody cares about you at all
Shut up women are the most catered to in this country 😂
All by design, the destruction of the nuclear traditional family, destruction of the two sexes, gender woo woo nonsense, sterility...
😂
The richest man on earth tweeting about population collapse while thinking about going to mars to plant tomatoes and potatoes while working on a chip to insert into peoples heads is enough to start some questions.
Tell him to stop foreclosures, make people in their 80's and 90's to STOP COMPLAINING and be more decent to family members, and start a new branch of citizen based legislation which will help people with "humane" based issues like barking dogs, and safer laws to assist in a needed reduction of the load from overworked police officers. I wrote 60,000 word on a law like this in 2013.
Lol exxxactly, some major questions! Especially the brain chips, like seriously wtf!?🧠📲 How can that possibly be a good idea?? There's soooo much that could go wrong there. Ummm yeah thanks but nooo thankss
@@missnellaful If there is one issue plaguing humanity it is excessive dog barking.
@@XOXOX4242 what If they force us to install those chips somehow ?
the richest man on earth? what? not even close, the richest people on earth are not even bookmarked on the internet.
“You worry about leaving a better planet for your kids, how about leaving better kids for the planet?” - Tom Macdonald
So true! Since the Millenials it's all tipped toward self absorbed narcissists running the asylum.
This is a great quote, very thought-provoking
Yeah I'm not abandoning children to the future of dystopic narcissism fuelled stupidity. I can't think of anything crueller.
@@aKjohn8798
Everything everyone says has been said before in one way or another. Doesn’t make it any less true.
Excellent comment! Share more on this subject, please! And how’s come all the former comments seem to leave God out of the picture? He shows us the one way of Eternal Life, through Jesus!
I believe the only limitation for anyone having children is their ability to financially and emotionally support their children. If one cannot do both, then that person should not be having children at that time.
The only problem arises when people have (unwanted) children, usually out of wedlock, that force that child to have to endure a life without a stable family or home. Even worse, some children are just dumped at orphanages. And then worst of all, some parents will go so far as taking out their frustration on the child. No child deserves to have to go through that hell.
I still keep wondering why poor families seem to always end up having more children than rich ones. Rich families usually stop at two or three while poor families seem to go higher than four. Why is that?
@@jediknight38 different countries have different kinds of poor people. I'm not sure how things are in the US or UK. But in my country, Myanmar, poor people have less access to education, and most relevant to this topic, sex education. Too many people from lower socio-economic statuses have very little working knowledge of contraception. Even though there is no religious objection to contraception, the sheer lack of reproductive knowledge means too many women do not know how to even prevent pregnancy.
This brings me to my next point, in some countries, there are religious objections to contraception. And it is the case that with good education, people do tend to discard the less practical aspects of religion. So the inverse is also true. Religious beliefs tend to be strongly held in people who are less educated.
All of this causes a positive feedback cycle, where poor people have less education, including reproductive health education, and this leads them to have more children. And with more mouths to feed, it puts more strain on resources that are already scarce, thus continuing the cycle of poverty.
@@whtfl I believe you're missing the point. Which is that we do not want kids to be born left and right in families that cannot support them, either financially or emotionally.
The problem of how to get people of higher socioeconomic status to produce more children is much more complex, and is something I will not claim to have a solution to.
@@jediknight38 In my circle, the poor ones have multiple mental health/drug issues, combined people are careless about sex and everything else as their lives are a mess. I believe that to be true in other places too. + Many attachment issued people _feel_ children will resolve their loneliness and inability to sustain healthy adult relationships as well. That a larger family will resolve. A friend had another baby with a drug addicted schizophrenic even with two pre-existing kids she wasn't able to care for properly. As she had an abortion and for some (as I understand quite a few because it's traumatic) women abortion leads later to an obsession to have a kid.
At least to some level poverty causes or is caused by lack of rationality. I'm poor too but I'm adequately rational and sufficiently intelligent to avoid those traps even with my own mental health challenges which lead me to be poor too. Childhood abuse has long lasting effects like in my case neurology gets all messed up as you fear for your life everyday for the first 20 years of your life.
I know a lot I say is quite controversial but as far as I've seen having too many kids in my circle is caused by mental health challenges and the carelessness due to it.
I edited a lot but just wanted to add, which came first poverty or problems? I don't know. I see a lot of childhood trauma (stemming from war trauma in previous generations) leading to poverty and poverty doesn't help to get things back in order as your focus is on the lack of basics.
I don't have kids. Yet a portion of my taxes goes to support families with kids that can't afford them.
Actually my feeling is that because the world isn't coming to an end, we are actually looking at a dip in global population rather than a catastrophic population decline, simply because humans are adaptable, and we will adapt, it might be to a less populus earth, or it might be a earth with better and cheap health care that keeps the population stable.
That’s not how it will go. Less tax money, less labor, less brain power. A lot of our retirement/social programs and economic systems are reliant upon a new wave of workers and consumers. That won’t happen. So a lot of programs that rely on taxes will collapse, businesses will fail, and you’ll have a lot of poor old people homeless on the street (not enough money or labor for nursing homes).
Very bleak but that is what we are facing and why governments are very concerned about this. People don’t get that is your future and the only way out besides having kids is AI and robotics.
How many old people do you see working in nursing homes taking care of old people?
Why would health care get cheaper if there are gonna be more old ppl than young in future. Nurses will be high in demand and itll be nearly inpossible to keep up with thr system we have now
@SamandRie probably because he thinks universal Healthcare is a beneficial thing and that it does something other than ration care and drive down innovation.
@@Dcvdc56 so what are you getting at? Gas all the old people? Put them down so they don’t have to suffer? If there are more old people than young and the young aren’t having children then you can guess where we are headed. Some place far worse than rotting away in a nursing home. There won’t be anyone to take care of the elderly but the elderly.
It's expensive to have a kid. Daycare alone is like paying another rent bill.
Just wait till you need a crib, a stroller, pampers, nutrients, etc
Hooo boy!
Our country doesn't have public or affordable daycare/preschool like a lot of other countries do. It's a problem that needs to be solved.
@@UnlicensedPharmaciszt most countries don't have good healthcare and affordable childcare. Only a handful of European countries and Quebec (at the expense of other Canadian provinces) do. Most of the world requires multigenerational families and neighbors to take care of children.
@@cr4yv3n and then your kid grows up as a teen and all that baby stuff turns into an iPhone, gaming console, tablet, expensive sneakers, cars, designer clothes and whatever other stuff these kids are having nowadays.
@@C1K450how could kids afford them
Parents during childhood: “You don’t know how HARD it is to take care of you!”
Kid as an adult: Remembers parent saying this and doesn’t have kids
Parents: *Surprised Pikachu Face*
Based
Facts
Zero incentives for people to have kids its expensive, it drains your mental health, if your kid does something stupid your looked down upon and are held accountable which is fine and dandy until you realize when you struggle already to make ends meet you get another dose of mental stress because your constantly at work because the economy is screwed up so bad you rarely have time to be home for your kid, thus the lord says your gonna be stuck in a loop forever until the kids 18 😈
Kids are your legacy, your true treasure
@@sankalpverma618 Life has no value after your gone, I'm not gonna actively suffer while I am around to make it prosper, I won't actively harm humanity, but I won't devote myself blindly.
Depopulation seems to be most prevalent in the most productive and technological economies. If those economies / countries go into decline because of depopulation how does the rest of the world cope. They can either up their game and take a leading role or the whole system just collapses. Previous collapses (e.g Rome) suggest the latter more likely and the world goes into downturn until the next innovative population rises from the ashes. Perhaps that's what awaits us.
Perhaps, that's what they had in mind the entire time.
@Yulfa Weisulf Except Rome only got to a low level of civilization where as we have become a space fairing, computer creating, AI enhanced, nuclear powered civilization so even if we fall, our leftovers and scions will be much further ahead technologically than the people who picked up the pieces after Rome.
@@PresidentialWinner Rome collapsed because they destroyed middle class and people simply lost f to give when upper class needed soldiers to defend borders. We are losing our best and brightest. "leftovers" are those that populate for example todays detroit or favelas in brazil etc.
@@TuubiName Destroying the middle class by raising $$$ taxes, unable to have property and mass immigration ... sounds familiar, as we're witnessing in the US and Western countries. It's what brought the Roman Empire down and history is repeating itself again.
Except we've run out of other white republics to pass the torch to. The world is doomed. India has the best shot but it's not good.
He didn’t even try to explain how the the world supposedly isn’t over populated, and maybe this part is out of context, but I don’t think he tried to explain how a population decrease does harm long-term. Like, of course, it does not work for our current economic models that presume infinite growth, but infinite growth is definitely impossible without becoming an interstellar species. We live on a finite planet.
My grandfather lived with his 9 siblings in a two room duplex with one bathroom. He told me that his siblings and he were always outside playing, shooting hares and muskrats with their 22s, fishing and playing on the side of train tracks. They stayed outside and socialized all day and then returned home as a family in the evening. Man I'm so jealous of his generation, they had so many personalities and characters in his neighborhood he said they didn't need TV. They had so little and yet made the most of it, and all of them went on to have healthy and happy families. They all have grandkids who love them too. I am grateful that I could at least witness what a healthy generational family looks like. Say goodbye to the days of 6+ children from the West. Even though they are the ones who need it the most
@@thepagecollective I've never heard someone saying that touching a person is sexual assault. Maybe I'm too young or I live in a different country from yours.
If you're talking about *private parts*, ofc it's wrong doing it. But I don't think that's considered sexual assualt. Maybe it's too much.
It happened to me and I was probably very soft in that situation. It was uncomfortable and I didn't say much about it because people told me that "I have to be a man, and treating women as a princess". Even if they were doing sth clearly wrong. Stupid me.
I think those type of comments made me hate people hugging me or giving me a kiss in the check as a salute. Also, I hate receiving physical compliments. It feels weird to me.
So yes, I agree. We're not treating ourselves as the human beings we are. At least, it's my perspective as a random guy.
@@thepagecollective & @Dani
Wow, the vast difference between your perspectives, yet both leading to the same result. The love in my heart goes out to both of you. Thank you for being you, you both make this world a better place and we all learn so much from each other. Take your hurt and do something powerful with it. Take dominion over it and make it your strength. Take care Friends
@@thepagecollective Ty for telling me that. I'm not from the US but it seems a bit... relatable what you're talking about. I heard about similar stories. I heard men here going to court because they "raped" a woman but at the end there was proof that it was sex with consent.
Do you know what happened to those women? Nothing. They're free.
Do you know what happened to those men? They got fired and their family sees them with different eyes. In other words, a woman ruined their lifes and there was no punishment.
I know that being a woman in this world is difficult. But, dude... these things scare the hell out of me.
@@Tasch81 Ty. Same for you.
That is nice!
I love that one quote: _Whoever believes in infinite growth in a finite world with finite resources is either insane or an economist._
In nature, the population is controlled by predators, and the apex predators either fight each other or starve until equilibrium is restored...
Also, think of this: a decade after Germany lost the war, the middle class recovered to the point that they could afford to buy a house with a garden, have a wife who doesn't need to work, raise two kids, one car, and one vacation a year overseas. Today, both parents work 100% (I even know families with more than two jobs!) and still can't afford to buy a home, but barely afford the rent of a small, shabby flat 1h from the city center where they have to work. Yet, the media tells them that they should be happy to live in Germany, one of the richest and most peaceful countries in the world... meanwhile, for what you pay in Germany for a low quality take away food, you get a three-course menu at a decent restaurant in Portugal and Romania has far superior internet (10x as fast, more stable, better coverage even in rural areas) compared to Germany, and they pay only 1/20th for it... Did I also mention that Germans are record holders in paying taxes and yet the public infrastructure crumbles as if they weren't paying a dime... There are so many other interesting examples from other countries, but they all point in the same direction: decline and fall and probably the rise of extremist parties and civil war, or regular war...
Welp...... A BIG problem iz dat we r uSIN our brain-power, 2 kill each otha. If we were 2 use our brain power 2 git our collective azzes, off dis rock, we would find nfinite resourcez.
Furthermo..... DUH real problem iz not finite resourcez. DUH real problemz, r lack of vision. Laziness. Paranoia, over loss of CONtrol. Lame-azzedness, iz DUH real problem. GREED!!!!
U HAVETA WATCH, WHO U FOLLOW, & WHUT U LISTEN 2. Disnfo, can put a real hurtin on ya!
Portugal and Romania might be good options for Germans with a German salary, but you are seeing this in a tourist way and not the reality on the ground.
Enlightening info on Romania & Portugal don't hear about you guys too often
@@JorgeOliveira-ow5uu exactly..the balance is in the income difference..
@@Einnor084 disinfo is comming from all sides with all different agendas at play and all of them basically designed to exploit you.
My wife and I chose to reject the “planned parenthood” thing and today have 8 children. It is by far the greatest decision I have ever made in my life. All of my children are better people than me.
They are more loving and caring and more productive. Our family serves all mankind.
Unhappy people don't stay married and don't have lots of children. When people get happier the population will increase. the way to happiness is forgiveness, not blaming. We are maxing out on blaming; a pandemic in which people are blaming other people for getting sick is the sign that we are turning around. A worldwide elite justification of tyranny that people are refusing is another sign.
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!!!
Dang thats a nice family I came form a family of 2 just me and my sister my mother wanted a 3rd but my dad said no seeing how we ended up growing up that was by far the smartest thing my father ever did
@@robertdouglas8895 you are on the right side don't mind these people
Wow! How can you afford it? Not even just financially, but time wise. That's dedication
Corporates are worried that they will run out of people to exploit.
Thats what Overpopulation & Climate Change Denial is all about : ) : )
Don't governments exploit people too?
Well said Dr. Peterson. We need to wake up from this madness.
and solve climate change before crops start failing, that would be pretty smart
No we don't let it burn.
Unhappy people don't stay married and have lots of children. When people get happier the population will increase. the way to happiness is forgiveness, not blaming. We are maxing out on blaming; a pandemic in which people are blaming other people for getting sick is the sign that we are turning around.
Pole shift/Planet X/Niburu/Nibiru.....
And stop this climate nonsense movement. Let’s stop pretending that we can alter a climate in any way.
When everything is so expensive that it's hard for anyone that isn't rich to have kids this is what happens
And who is at fault that everything is becoming expensive?
@@chuckyyes I would say that there are many contributing factors and you can't just pin it on 1 person or thing.
@@chuckyyes The elites and governments.
Central banks are the disease, not humanity
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.... I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
-Thomas Jefferson
people today (in the USA) have far more disposable income than when i was a kid 40 years ago. it is not how much things cost that people choose not to have kids, but their insistence that they have to have everything available to be happy. "poor" people today generally have a smart phone for each person, a car or 2, boxes of extra clothes, live in air-conditioned apartments, a large TV or 2 with cable and maybe a premium subscription or 2, a computer or 2, a game console or 2, internet access, and still have enough food to get fat.
Was the state of the economy brought up in this conversation at all? I'm 25 and most of my friends my age are not even *close* to being in a financial situation to be able to support kids. I doubt most of us will be by the time we're 30, especially if the pandemic carries on for a few more years. Most aren't on the property ladder, in parents' small homes, many are struggling for jobs and nearly all of us have horrible amounts of student debt. I honestly think we can point to that easier as a source for why so many are choosing not to have kids.
Watch Army of Satan (series) from 'Rational Believer', you probably will realise the reason for all this & you may get more enlightened.
Should check Part - 4,5,6,8,10,11, upto 22.
If you realise and agree then i will tell you the future of us/world according to Eschatology. Otherwise, its hard to understand.
You are correct. I'm from Vancouver Canada and the price of a small house is now two million dollars. No young person can even dream of getting married and having a family there or anywhere near there. It's just not possible unless you inherited a house or are a Chinese multi-millionaire...
Good! In today's world you probably shouldn't be having kids till then anyway. Lol.
But really, you probably shouldn't... the world's a way bigger place than when our expectancy was 35. It's worth the investment in yourself to explore it a bit. You know, so you actually have something to pass on.
This guy is a clown. You keep living your life.
It’s crazy how people can’t support themselves in their own country and think twice before settling and having kids.
Yet immigrants show up without even speaking the native language work hard save money learn skills and eventually learn the language while simultaneously raising a family of 5 with a stay at home parent.
These things are happening at the same time.
The problem is you were so obsessed with comfort and told you were going to be a successful person in life if you followed the plan your parents teachers and government paved for you.
You were all played all following in a straight line one behind the other like sheep.
Maybe Nature regulates itself rather than destroys itself.
Mouse Utopia Experiment
Staying home with my son during the plandemic has been the best time of my life. Women have been pressured and shamed to work outside the home, but I now prefer working for my own family instead. It's fabulous. Our quality of life and happiness is much higher!
While I was praying God send me a wife, children, and a place to keep them all,
I also prayed for the income to pay for all of it. My sweetie has never had to take a job outside our home.
For those that think she is slacking; she cares for her 101 year old mom.
@@babydriver8134 Money is tighter, but I've become quite the homesteader. I enjoy making or doing things that we used to pay others for. My parents have passed, but I love being available to help friends/family. That's beautiful that your wife can care for her mother.
Plandemic, that’s right.
Most of my husband's employees' wives are opting to stay home, as well. How WONDERFUL!!!
Pressured and shamed by who?...oh yeah that's right,
🗣️OTHER WOMEN ARE DOING THIS CRAP!!!
Jordan is low key savage, but a lot of wisdom and knowledge he has on life impresses me every time
Now you just have to explain that comment to us .........!!!!!!
@@missiontent111 Exactly, I am so tired of fatherless kids on the net worshipping this dude!!!
@@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 Now I am totally lost. Which "fatherless kids" are you referring to .... and why would "fatherless kids" " worship" Jordan Peterson ?
@@missiontent111 Because he is the epitome of the father that many kids, especially boys, don't have today and it's been the situation for a couple of decades now. Men are generally lost when life gets easier...why, because there is no war to be win and no hunting and basically men need far more guidance in life than women. The role of men had been largely determined by the circumstances of their life. Women did more or less the same thing in every culture...have kids and take care of them.
That being said...JP is a clown and doesn't provide any real guidance, just the traditional one, which is useless in a novel environment, and he adds a bit of emotions to it... that's the entire approach of JP.
@@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 A famous line from the Mel Brooks film , "Blazing Saddles" comes to mind.
"Well folks, we've just been treated to a greatl example of a frontier gibberish not commonly heard today".
21 years ago I was pregnant with my daughter, I had 2 sons and I was overjoyed to be having a girl. At the barber shop I will never forget the older men chastising me that I was "overpopulating" the planet. That was my first experience of this debate. Thank you Dr Peterson for speaking truthful wisdom on this!
What an *ssh@le! Even if you were which you most certainly weren't, what business it of his?? People always try to force their views upon everyone else. This is something that I avoid like the plague.
You should have as many kids as you can afford.
What I resent is the greed of today. I have to pay an enormous amount of money to contribute to the care are raising of other people's kids. People should have to pay for the education and care of their own kids, but in return, be free to make their own decisions about how many they can support, and to what level of comfort. No tax breaks for anyone, especially kids.
People may say I am being greedy, wanting to keep the money I make, and spend it how I wish. When I was a kid, we had no computers in school, and not air-conditioning in school, and teachers were paid nothing. We did fine, mostly, maybe better than kids today. My teachers should have been paid better, but not enormously more.
I bet he had a bunch of kids of his own, a hypocrite is always the first to wave a finger while lacking any kind of self awareness.
@@DumbledoreMcCracken I have 2 kids ages 16 & 18. I can afford another one, or rather I will be able to afford another one as soon as the two I have now leave the nest.
@@meh5992 I truly do not like hypocrites!
Which is true:
There aren’t enough people
Or
The AI is going to handle all the work and people will just get to do whatever they want
Because both ideas have been put forth and Chris just seems to absorb whatever energy the guest has and does nothing to push back.
Nothing abnormal about this , it’s nature at its best . We as humans can’t seem to get a grasp we are part of nature .
I dis agree politely...I'd say we can't seem to come to grasp we are not part of nature.
@@rfn74 🤦🏽♂️🤣
@@rfn74 Spirit isn't, all else is.
Depends with which one identifies with.
@@rfn74 we are quite literally a part of nature but along with intelligence and self-introspection that NATURALLY developed we became able to think of ourselves as "not a part of nature". rather than thinking "we should be healthier", "we should be fitter", "we should use less and efficiently manage our resources" we instead think "there is nothing we can do so we should be removed so the world can be pure again"
in my opinion, the worst part is the very people who have this belief do not form some suicide pact and end their lives in droves because they don't want to die, like any normal person, even though they are also "unnatural". while wishing death upon people isn't really good my question would be "why are you here then? why are you adding to the problem or taking the space and resources for someone who might do something?"
There is no population drop... in every major war or pandemic millions have died and the population only increased. There are most definitely population drops in arrogant nations who think they can control the future and the world. But most of them just get erased in time and it never affects the overall population growth. This is a myth just like climate change or any other notions based on presumptions and speculation.
And it is all just another psyop nothing more.
I didn't know about Mephestopheles before this, but it perfectly describes all the dark thoughts I've been trying to hold back about humanity. But this guy perfectly breaks down it's flaws, and now I want to be more like Virgil. Someone that can mentally dive into the deepest depths of humanity, reach the bottom, and still rise back to the top intact.
Damn straight
Buddha also called life suffering and he was a prince of a kingdom then, with beautiful wife and children.
Life is crrap unless you somehow, with extreme effort make it worthwhile.
@Jaegphh Hcunkelee that's all subjective. equally meaningless and equally essential. the delusion is to ASSUME that this place, this experience, this universe, this version of "reality" is all that there is to know. and it's a shame that such an immaculate and precisely efficient system of physics and galaxies of infinite miracles occurring at the speed of light at each moment. its a wonder that we can see this and still not be inspired. not be amazed. and grateful. because we have come to fear suffering as if it dims the human experience. that's just all in your mind. if nothing good came from suffering then people wouldn't grow muscles when they lift weights. they would grow muscles when they ate donuts. throw your trash ass logic out the window and cherish something incomprehensibly complex. either way, God bless
@@jackdotblue OR EIGHTH DAY BY HAZEL O'CONNOR!!!
OR CHINA IN YOUR HAND BY T'PAU!!!
BTW I'M NOT SHOUTING... EYESIGHT PROBLEMS AS A TARGETED INDIVIDUAL YOU MIGHT EXPECT A FEW ISSUES!!! LIKE THE OVER USE OF !!!
@Jaegphh Hcunkelee it is if you attain perpetual bliss somehow.
Here's the thing though, given the rate of inflation compared to wages over the last 30 years, how many kids can a middle class family realisticly support by themselves without government subsidies
That's the part he isn't speaking to. Everything he said is correct, except that the reason that young couples (such as my wife and I) are choosing not to have children (at least right now) is that we don't really have the money to support them. It's as simple as that.
Lmao government and subsidies are the reasons for inflation, wage stagnation, etc...
@@andrewwabik5125 bullshit, kids aren't that expensive
@@frans7995 They cost the average household £200k . Factually incorrect statement.
@@wtice4632 are u a ancap 😂
Mass culture is unsustainable. With a warming planet, the fact that viral differentiation will continue to expand and the real possibility of crop dysfunction leaves several factors beyond economics that will further lower population. Perhaps low enough to begin to support small self-sufficient communities. Where it all started in the first place.
As someone who is a great fan of Jordan Peterson I agree nobody should be telling young people they should or should not have children. I live in Australia and I do not see the nation becoming better because there are more people then there used to be. Quite the opposite. When developers bulldoze all the trees for the next suburb, where children are going to be brought up without a backyard to play in because developers want smaller blocks at increase prices, I don't see that as a good thing. When the animals that used to live in that Bushland are laying on the road dead, I do not see that as a good thing. When I see the most fertile land is being used for housing instead of food production, I do not see that as a good thing. Of course 25 million people in Australia is going to be more sustainable and 50 million or 250 million. How to educate people in Nigeria to stop having 8 children and increasing their crime and poverty is an obvious problem. I would say more but I have to go to work.
To be fair; about the only nations that 'may' stand a chance in a war vs another, are those who have 9 digit population numbers as well as being First World/Rule of Law societies. Russia no longer qualifies, just looking at the way Ukraine and friends are fighting back against Russia
We don't have to have it one way or the other. This could be a happy, healthy, prosperous life and even better then the good old days. We just have to manage it better.
amen brother
Exactly increase in population, our land sizes are getting smaller and our living cost increases.
@@grandmalovesmebest There will be no managing it better because people will not sacrifice to make it possible for more people to live well. There was a massive drought in my area in my youth. It was so bad that water use quotas were set so that schools and hospitals could have enought water to stay open and operational. The most well off in my nieghtborhood simply COULD NOT Comply. They said "I can afford it, I can afford to pay the costs and pay the fines....I'm going to water my lawn, wash my car"....do all the things that were forbiden to have enough water for schools and hospitals. This is how people are. There is too much entitlement. We can't even get people to wear a mask in a pandemic. We glorify the achievements of our elders who won WWII and beat Hitler, but they were willing to make Personal Individual sacrifices for the greater good. We are not.
JP is a good thinker, he's not always right. But he's got the humility to accept that he's not always right and will try to listen and learn.
@Esphaeras Praestans so you want medical tyranny?
@Esphaeras Praestans that's highly debatable and u would love to know why you think that way
Thank you for not falling in line with those who worship and adore him like a god . He is brilliant and has done his own research on many if his proclamations. And he makes many salient and astute observations about our culture.
I also share his contempt for those super entitled adult children who somehow got the notion that anyone "has the right to not be offended"
Bitch, please 🙄
Free speech helps keep the thought police away
@@djimiwreybigsby5263 why does anyone worship other people like gods . JP is a very intelligent man with views I agree with for the most part but we're all flawed somehow no reason worship anyone like some crazy cultists. I just acknowledge his wisdom and take what parts help me too improve my life and move on
@@matthewberkin5924 I share, what I suspect is, your sarcastic contempt for the whimsical nature of our cultural lexicon
The western middle class IS already collapsing as they struggle to pay rising prices for property, bills and tax. Meanwhile the money they need to raise a family is taken away and given to those on welfare who see kids as income.
We end up with an educated productive liberal class that is continually facing collapse and a poor uneducated class that grows and grows.
The system is DESIGNED for a large uneducated population with low expectations who are conditioned to accept poor living conditions can only survive with support from the state , while lacking the motivation/ education and means to challenge anything the government does.
A collapse of accountability...by eliminating the only genuine threat to power.
I agree wholeheartedly! I posted a comment prior to reading yours with the example on a global scale. The people with the most drive to forward humanity are stifled by the burden of overproducing to subsidize those who are unwilling to feed themselves. Population growth in itself is not the problem. The wrong people are growing the population.
Fantastic comment!!
The "poor and uneducated" are so because of the structures that make higher education a financial burden and of the wage structure of our society. Don't scapegoat people as welfare "scroungers" - if there were better routes forward to a better life, 99% of them would take it. Countries where child care is cheaper and universal allow families to have the number of children they want not the number they can afford.
I'm pretty sure the money being taken away is mostly going to the top.
. .....yeah but how can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
I thought that with the progression of technology...we won't need as many people to do jobs etc. ?
Bang On
We can't move for People in the UK and are also can't breathe dur to pollution and up to our necks in sewage, waste etc.
AI, Robotics, New digital maufacturing systems are going to put a lot of people out of work. Not to mention the oneard march of Climate Change.
People in the sixties used to talk of about over population.
The warnings were there then
Well, you can't care for the elderly and the young with technology.
My wife is a couple months pregnant with our third. Can't wait to add another addition to our family.
My wife has no siblings and, she has always been sad about that. My children will have no cousins from their mothers side, no aunts or uncles. I'm thankful I have a few siblings myself. Family is very important to me. They're my motivation for life. They make me far better then I was without them.
I hope your wife gives birth to a stillborn.
@@jbak87 jealous of a loving man for his woman and kids you nasty sick feminist individual you soy boy go play with the traffic.
But aren't you creating units of suffering, as world gets worse their life quality will decline fast. One kid is ideal , 2 is okay I suppose but 3 is too much unless you are super rich
@@HeisenMannj
Why is that any of your business how many kids he'll have.
@@NsShadid it's called concern for fellow human beings ,might be a foreign concept to you. I gave him certain perspective , I neither abused him or anything else
I've been educated to think that "small family is a happy family".
Then someone did a maths based on population density per Sq km with respect to the most densed populated city and it came out that the whole world population can conviniently fit inside Australia with parks and recreational centers.
Then I found this video which makes me question my education.
it can but we are very wasteful, especially the global top1%.
also we consume alot of animals, there are 3-4 billion pigs, cows, bulls, chickens etc. currently on earth just waiting to be eaten, they all need space and consume alot of food and pollute, and we need space for other food obviously.
don't forget the hundreds of millions of Animals that live as Pets, that consum, pollute etc.
currently we are using the resources of 1.75 Earths, obviously that can't end well since we've been doing that since probably a century or more!
Edit: exclude Chickens, there are nearly 20 billion Chickens alone apparently... yikes.
If you try to replicate Tokyo in Australia with Congolese… 🤦♂️ good luck.
Yup. It's all a lie. The only problem is waste and pollution, really. If we farmed locally and ate locally, and didn't live in dense cities, this would be a much better place. We are certainly not overpopulated. We are wasteful and too focused on corporate money-making.
Conveniently fit in which part of Australia? Are you including the inhospitable desert that covers half the continent?
I watched the video, also with calculations that Earth easily can feed at least 25 billions people.
We're blessed to have people like you gentlemen.
I don't understand how this "collapse" is a bad thing. It will be a shift requiring adjustment but that's all.
Population decreasing is not necessarily a bad thing the problem is the rate of decrease... If the proportion of young to old gets too skewed the system could collapse because it's based on young workers "paying" for the care of the old. The rates of drop the west is seeing are very concerning.
Many of the societal ponzi schemes have foolishly and perplexingly relied on an unsustainable and endless growth in the population.
Funny thing is if you look at the rate in increase its okay but a similar decrease is viewed as the end of humans. @@jjjjrrr678
It's much more than a shift it's pretty seismic! You need young people to do the work and consume. Without it, society and our monetary policies will fail and fail hard!
I am with you on this. The only living thing on the planet that worries about human population, economic grown, consumption of products is Humans, Everything other living thing on the planet is better off without humans. I wonder if people truly believe that if the human population dropped to around 2 or 3 billion that we would be on the brink of extinction.
Cost of living is out the roof even with two people working. For them to have a baby means one needs to stay home making it even more unaffordable.
That's an excuse your great granparents did it when they were poorer than you people today have a higher expectations for standard of living and see kids as a burden because they live longer, don't need the kids as much to survive when they get old as they did in the past. If your statement was true all the rich people would have the highest birth rates but that is not the case.
People are more aware of what they are than any other time. With camera phones, selfie, social media, people learn what they are. Often despite their best efforts they learn they may always be less than. It's hard to justify wanting children if you feel less than and unwanted because you don't want to spread that feeling to your children.
Women who abort simply because a child would be an inconvenience to their lives are truly selfish but all other reasons to abort are valid.
@@bluevan12 virgin spotted
@@Cadeaux_Man So we should let sexually irresponsible go around breaking hearts and spreading STI and STD and fucking up their relationships and hormonal balances without the baby father's consent just because she is a spineless irresponsible coward?
Somebody was bullied, when they were a kid 🤣
@@hainleysimpson1507 I see you are unaware of protection, and admit that I am correct. No wonder it's so hard for you, being so unaware
I so enjoy listening to this man. Thought-provoking, and in depth comments. Brilliant mind.
Don’t be such a toady. He wouldn’t want that. And his recent ‘analysis’ of climate change science left a lot to be desired.
I don't see what is provocking in what he's saying since they are all facts. If you find that provocking well you need to grow up and start facing reality.
@@corriveau21 He trained in political science and clinical psychology, not climate science, and I greatly value his expertise as a psychologist. Many climate and data scientists pointed out that he had misinterpreted the data, rendering his conclusions invalid, and that’s good enough for me.
@@nkt1 what exactly did he allegedly misinterpret about the data?
Climate crisis hystericists are consistently the most regularly incorrect in their modeling and predictions of anyone in the realm of science.
Or should I say "The $cience"
My brother went to Penn State - one of the biggest schools in the nation for weather/climate/atmospheric studies.
Roomed in a dorm full of students in those fields. He told me almost every one of them he talked to about it said the climatology numbers were fake.
Falsified.
Intentionally misinterpreted.
Sensationalized in dramatic ways that cause fear and panic.
But none of them could/would say anything because they would fail the class. And/or they knew they wouldn't be able to get jobs if they dared to question The Narrative.
This was in the late 80's... it's gotten much worse- in every subject.
Look up Yuri Bezmenov.
His video can explain why this is likely happening. 🤔
@@roscodogg "Hystericists"? That's not a word. "The $cience"? Oh dear.
It's actually worse than you think. There's no easy solution and the worst part is it's very possible no one will do anything about it.
The people who can do something about it Will not do something about it. These idiots always try to blame the common person and not the system and rules created by others
JP just keeps getting better and better and so does this channel!
Really? I think he is turning more and more into a quack. I personally really enjoyed this lectures years ago, then he got his soapbox.
@@mbogucki1 in one of his lectures he said that Freud's work was so fundamental that we now just take it for granted and we only remember what he was wrong about... Sadly I think this will happen to JP as well... IT SEEMS like he's getting a bit repetitive but most people are just not on his level and they find it hard to engage him... So yeah, it's getting increasingly harder to distil the nuggets of wisdom but he's by no means loosing it. I hope he starts his online university and gives us at least one more book!
@@Brandon-w3o Perhaps. I would enjoy him going back to lecturing about religion and philosophy.
@@mbogucki1 me too!
i bet u majored in business :D
Blackrock, Vanguard & State Street own everything & are commodifying humanity as we speak. I'm trying not to lose hope
Do not lose hope! Real and healthy human values will prevail. Pray for courage.
@BVale
Yeah. I own Vanguard and Blackrock ETFs..
This is what happens when too few own too much of the market and crush any who try to enter the market. Competition is the only way for commoners to have a chance.
@BVale I like how there was one story where the small investor won. It was the "Gamestonk" event.
Jordan Peterson you are so correct ,I think the death of family values have caused an angst that leads to a sort of selfish depression.
I always considered the dilemma of human population growth as an opportunity for humans to become more efficient with resources and colonize uninhabited parts of our universe. However, civilization has collectively chosen to navel gaze and retreat to the cradle rather than learn to walk. The realization that humanity chose the worst of all possible choices has obliterated all of my previous optimism for the species. We have a chance to move forward and we're simply blowing it all away.
Exactly people should be seen as the solution not the problem, the future was supposed to be we can do what we want because technology will improve, say if we wanted 50 billion we can solve any problem that comes with that
But we’ve gone the opposite way
I think space colonization is as cool as the next guy but the unfortunate (potential) truth is that colonizing space on a massive scale may not actually be possible. The space propulsion systems necessary may not ever actually be possible/feasible to build. I hope they are, but technology will not advance forever, there is an indefinite endpoint.
That would be great to be a space faring race because with access to colonize and mine other planets and other solar systems will give us limitless amount of living space and resources to keep growing etc but since we don't have the advanced technology and money to support it yet . We are stuck to this planet for now and need to manage resources, economy, politics and society more efficiently and more balanced
@@TheOldBeef This is a good point, I am a fan of limiting population growth, because we need to be sustainable, until we are ready for space travel, but I also don't know how far we can grow and remain sustanable, or how far we are from REAL space travel.
Don't worry our beloved leaders have a brilliant plan which when implemented will solve all their problems. The plan is simple. Eliminate retirement and social security. Every year they push to raise the age of retirement.. mandatory work for life.. They've got garantied lifetime pensions as politicians so simply arrange every person in this country to be an ATM for them. If they run short ship in a million or two million illegals to continue the permanent payment system. Problem solved.
Sure, have more kids, it's so simple. I just need to pay off my $300k student loan debt and save enough to afford my first two-bedroom in Phoenix for $850k while renting a studio for $2k/month. Then I can afford to pay the hospital $20k for childbirth fees and start saving for their college tuition. Life's a beach.
Dont get into debt in the first place. If someone already has pay it off. then move to a location where 4 bedroom homes are 200k to 300k
$300k in debt?? Are you a brain surgeon?
@@tyroneknight9364 Moving to some flyover state doesn’t fit the needs of most people, unless you wanna live in some piney bungalow in New Jersey for 100k.
These are the issues that will have to be resolved to ensure a form of continuity.
@Burger Joint - All of that education and you know very little about sacrifice. My question to you is why you are paying $2K a month for rent instead of sharing with roommates or not paying rent at all? Why do you need a house that costs $850K vs. a house that goes for $150K in PHX. Sounds like your priorities are all FUBAR.
I received 450K in the first 3 yrs. in the military. I reenlisted for 4 yrs. and got my bachelor's degree without touching a penny of my GI Bill. Now that I have my degree, I have no use for the GI Bill so guess where that went? My children I am having. I am currently getting $4200 a mo. for my service 'every month' and my kids get 100% free education along with my 450K they can use for college if they do not get scholarships.
Perhaps you should join the military and save yourself 10 -20 yrs. of hardship since you are clearly not on a scholarship program.
So happy this man exists, I have combed the recesses of literature and the internet and found few people that weren't spewing bullshit. True intelligence is a rare commodity these days and its comforting that this man is around in public view to cut through all the lies and stupidity despite how rare a person like this is. What he says travels
True wisdom comes from God, not man. Only when our truth lines up with God, can we be truly wise. I don't know Peterson's views, but it is God we should align with.
he is full of bs lol.. its not like he provided an exhaustive analysis explaining this nonsense.
So...people who can't even afford to feed themselves should be encouraged to keep having children, watching them die one by one of malnutrition and disease?
i agree 100%
@@LightSeekers777 He's committing the same linear inside the box thinking that he complains that others have done... Two points make a line... Not the whole of human history... He extrapolates incomplete data just like everyone else...
It’d be useful to hear more about the probable pros and cons of the impacts of both falling and rising numbers of people and population distribution. And to offer a reasoned view on which of these factors may be deemed to outweigh the other. If this is too complex a task, in the teeth of the unknowable future, why would we pretend it is not?
The big thing is when the current population dies out there will be a big housing market crash.
I will tell you what I know. There's not such thing as an overpopulation problem, quite the opposite.
Society tends to be more and more civilized within time.
More civilized citizens tend to have less children. Just look at USA or Europe data. We're having >2 children / couple. This means there's going to be a reduction in population over time.
The thing that you're obviously thinking right know is: but there are some countries that have a lot of children!
Absolutely true. Take a look in Bangladesh, their being slowly but surely civilised which means women have less and less children per generation.
Use a little your imagination and over time you'll see even some countries on Africa will begin to stop having +5 children per couple.
And just in case there's still any doubt on the subject, think about an overpopulated world. In nature when a carnivore almost extincts their preferable preys, they experiment the same fate, they start reducing in numbers due to the lack of food... And then, some time passes, the balance is recovered. Both, prey and predator are now recovered in more balanced numbers than ever before.
It doesn't mater, many peak countries are going over the cliff, and it can happen in a few years. Russia is interesting because the delay caused by the shift to the post USSR world, led to a 10 year break on childbirth, and they are toast. So even something that seems good is all it takes to loose millions of years of evolutionary advantage.
All the fearmongering done to promote overpopulation by special interests who were and are malevolent to the core (your local feminists cult, your sustainable control crowd) will become reality in case we don't have enough young people, you can recognize them by their statements such as "robots will replace much of the work, so there is no real problem here, hey science guy go whip up some quick robotic replacements" and you cant explain to those degenerates that there were no significant scientific discoveries in the past 50 years at least, we have limited options, all the "new" stuff you see are repackaged same tech maybe refined but not new and its insufficient to do the tasks they want it to do, the only way you can automate it is if you have highly deterministic system without adaptation which clearly is the benefit that you'd need to make a worker replacement, we do have machine learning however it's incapable to quickly adapt to changing environment, A.I. doesn't exist all the people who are using A.I. in their products are exploiting idiots, what's going to happen because of "underpopulation" or more like "lack of young people" is prices of labor will shoot trough the roof small and medium companies that actually fill government coffers will go bust and corporations will automate much of their production in order to increase production stability via standard methods, this will push inflation to extreme levels, grind growth to halt then reverse it, standard of life will drop 3-4 times and that's what's going to happen to well established rich, and powerful mostly western capitalist countries whilst poor countries and extreme poor countries that used debt to artificially increase their wealth at the cost of their population will become unimaginably poor and destitute famine, plague, riots, will be commonplace in those countries...etc i'd like to write more about it but it's pretty much worst case scenario which worthless degenerate vermin that got us into this mess to begin with described it would happen in case of overpopulation.
@@Random_person98 Very good points here.
I believe your guest has the right to say what he want to say. That does not mean he is correct on the issue of overpopulation.