Star Wars The Rise Of Skywalker Review and First Impressions | It's just OK
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2024
- I saw The Rise Of Skywalker last night. There is a lot about it I like and a lot about it I do not like or at least need to let sink in. The Rise Of Skywalker is JUST ok. It is not amazing. It is not groundbreaking. This is unfortunately coming from me. But then again, I think this movie had to deliver a LOT to wrap up the entire SAGA. I liked the dynamic of Rey and Kylo Ren again, however JJ got lost in the weeds of ideas. This film is so fast that you almost forget to remember whats happening.
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But reylo is officially Canon
I saw someone on Twitter saying their kiss wasn't romantic and was a thank-you kiss. Wtf is a thank-you kiss? These people lol 😂😂
@@frenchloverstalker ahahahaha
@Geralt of Trivia she told him she wanted Ben. He became Ben. She kissed Ben. This is a fairtale and not real. It's ok.
@Geralt of Trivia like how is her healing him and saying I wanted to take your hand,Ben's hand, Not suggest to you maybe she cares about Ben.
@@frenchloverstalker thank you kiss?! bwahahahhaha! A first kiss for sure yes but those two poured so much longing into it, thinking it was just a thank you is silly
Adam Driver and Daisy Ridley were absolutely phenomenal in tros
I know right!
Except their script. They had not much to work with. But yeah, every second of Adam, is a good second.
Acting has been spot on throughout the sequal
I agree
Things I like
- Bendemption as a whole
- Visuals
- Brilliantly use of force connection between Reylo as a narrative device
Things I don't like
- Throwing away the message that you don't need to come from important bloodline to be someone
- Everything is just a nostalgia trip to 200++ Wookiepedia pages
- They spent 90 minutes finding a map to Palpatine
- Again, TFA's whole plot was chasing a map to Luke while First Order constantly ambushing on our heroes, this one just swap Luke and Palpatine, it just chasing a map again.
- Rey is still a character who don't define her own meaning until the end, she just depends on being someone important.
- Threat of action scenes are low and soulless, except those with Kylo
- Some scenes are just unnecessary and cringey somehow
Agree! I'm bad at putting all my words together and you guys are putting to words, how i felt when i left the theater last night. I still feel weird after watching it because i wanted to love it, but i don't. Going to need to watch it again a few times for sure!
Spot on brother. I failed to realize that JJ receyled his own movie in The Force Awakens... great catch!
The map part is very accurate lol. How would you have ended this movie?
Yeah, we’re back at DNA it’s all that matters and the Antiques Road Show was lame! Rey still doesn’t know who she is and her journey is totally pointless, back in a desert planet with BB8. The only way I can see her becoming a Skywalker is by marrying Ben and furthering the line, no sense of belonging, void of emotion. Adam got only 20 minutes in screen. There’s no cohesion, Zombie Palpatine 🤦♀️ no thanks!
I enjoyed the hunt for the map actually. Seemed like Indiana Jones for me. You didn't mention the music, I think that was awesome.
My only quarrel with the film is the Reylo thing
SPOILER
why can nobody enjoy romantic love in these films? Why can't any couple live happily ever after?
It was like Jack and Rose (Titanic) all along 💔
susanne anique a counter point: why is there a forced romance subplot in all of these movies? Why can’t we see genuine friendship or platonic love? There is sexual tension between them, yes, but nothing about their relationship is romantic or healthy.
@@barkasz6066 Usually I would agree with you, but nothing about their ship is forced.
Because they gotta hit u with the FEELS
It was different than Jack and Rose in the aspect Ben gave his life to Rey. He lives in her...so technically...until death do us part.
I hoped that Ben would pull her spirit back from the Cosmic Force and live himself but we didn't really get that ending. It doesn't really coincide with Sidious taking Padme's life to save Anakin.
If Ben and Rey would have gotten their happy ending, being able to live a long life together and have children have what Anakin and Padme couldn't I would love it completely. I really enjoyed it i thought their moments were beautiful but Ben dying and Rey ending up alone in a desert just ruins everything
I agree..but I strongly belive Ben will be brought back somehow. I never belived their "end of the Skywalker saga" marketing. It was just a desperate measure to get people on their seats. Ben is like Darth Maul in a sense. Fans just love him so much they can't leave him dead🤣
My greatest disappointment is that Ben Solo died. He dies and they don't mention him again and Rey doesn't seem to be upset. To me, he was the best character in this sequel trilogy. The last Skywalker is gone and that's a very bleak ending.
Well...Rey is now the "Skywalker". I think that was the point of the movie. She dishonored her palpatine bloodline (the darkside) in favor of the Skywalker legacy (light side). Therefore, the Rise of Skywalker.
@@clintbrooks7753 "The Rise of Adoption".......
@@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo You're ridiculous
Yeah, he died and she was like : okay, what’s for dinner? 🤦♀️ let me go and celebrate with my friends, never mind this fool who just gave me his life, never to be mentioned or refer! She ends alone in a desert planet...next!!! If Daisy Ridley comes back in the future for a new movie, we may even have to swallow another guy by her side! Ben WHO?
@@kerynl.sanchez9891, I didn't like that either. Rey doesn't mourn or mention Ben at all at the end of the film.
"TROS makes TLJ look like a masterpiece." Couldn't have said it better......
I didn't need TRoS for that. But, i thought it would honor TLJ at least. As the return of the Jedi honors The Empire Strikes Back (when Empire came out, it was loved by fans nor the critics, and it went backguards, but not with the themes and conflics). It just needed to do that while being a fun ride, and to me we'd have a trilogy for the ages. Now it is a forgettable.
Imagine in return of the jedi: "Luke, i never really told You about your father. I am not your father, i literally betrayed and killed him. I told you i was you father just for the laughs.
It was already a masterpiece...
One thing I adore about this. It fixed something that was a prlblem since TFA. Aka Kylo being defeqted by Rey. Now they make it clear for those who didn't notice that HE COULD HAVE KILLED HER BUT HE DIDN'T WANT TO. I'm glad they showed him in his best shape.
Still underwhelmed by the ending though...
When you watch all of the trilogy, you realize that he has never tried to kill Rey. He is always pursuing a relationship with her from the start.
@@politereminder6284 well duuh. I'm a Reylo of course i've noticed. But some people didn't which is kinda funny imo
@@GabiBrooks I agree with you . It was difficult to catch at first. It's way easier to understand when you watch all three films.
Their relationship is torturous and borderline BDSM ( with her as dominant, him as submissive) , but it is very intriguing to watch.
@@politereminder6284 well, to be fair for me it helps that I've experienced the exact same thing in real life😂
@@GabiBrooks Now I want to know more 😉. Pray, tell me more
If Ben was involved in the scene it was good. If Ben wasn’t involved in the scene it was likely boring or a mess
No truer words
I couldn't agree more. I went to watch the movie again and carried my camera to film my favorite scenes. Then realized they were all about Ben. Not even Rey, just Ben.
Gabriela Ibañez Rey is a different character in this movie than in the previous 2. I did love her when they were together though. I’ll never get over the ending. That will pain me forever. Both of them get a worst case scenario ending. It’s tragic
@@ChrisLamia I'm glad someone else said it. It felt like she was different to me also, not because of Daisy or character development or arc, but because of the horrible writing. I felt like Finn and Poe were different too. The characters have some very awkward dialogue, and who knows, maybe some of it has to do with the editing. I was so disappointed in this movie. There were parts that I loved, but not very many.
If Adam Driver had not been there, this trilogy would have been popcorn. Instead, we cried when the bad guy died.
Driver was much too big for this movie. Ridley managed to hold her own with him, and that's saying something; I'm sure Ford and Hamill were blown away by the depth of his game.
Its not hard to end the sequel trilogy honestly IMO. Kylo redeems himself and lives, Rey and Ben build an academy that encourages all aspects of the force calling themselves Skywalkers. Leia and Ben reconcile. Its not hard. Palpatine didn't have to come back, make Kylo the villain for half but due to his sentiment towards Rey, Hux takes over. Hux is about to kill Rey and then Kylo turns. Im basically making fanfiction but it makes sense, builds upon TLJ's idea of balance and honoring the past but going forward
These are the reason why some franchise needs to listen to their fans instead of being edgy
Percy Plant I love TLJ for it doing something not conventional it questions SW values. But JJ isn’t that type of director who can do that, he makes fun safe films with great characters. Not trying to bash either one.
@@percyplant474 Problem is, they did listen to fans, just the wrong ones. The ones who are so in love with the OT that nothing will compare. They're pretty much waiting for a time machine so they can revisit that feeling they had when they were younger.
@@CynicallyObnoxious And the petition to have TLJ rewritten wasn't toxic? Get off your high horse. Reylo happened. I want so much to rub that in everyone's face who bullied anyone who supported it, but I'm gonna be the bigger person. So, good day, and I wish you well.
This isnt bad but "TLJ ruined mah star wars retcon everything!"
The good for me was Han and Ben. When he calls him, “Dad”, so bittersweet. Ben gets to be a Solo, and we see that shoot from the hip style his dad had. Oh! That was so good! There was the sweetest Reylo moment, brief, but we got it. The bad was the pace of the movie and JJ throwing everything he could into the mix. I was on record that JJ made me nervous. I was a “Lost” fan. JJ does wild creative beginnings, but his endings are a mess. Lost was an example. Very “WTF was that?”. I liked RoS as a Star Wars movie, but of course, my outcome would have included a fully redeemed and alive Ben Solo. Maybe not happily ever after. Maybe living in exile? But, finally free from the Darkside. So overall, it’s bittersweet for me.
So I guess the payoff to Luke's "see you around kid" is meeting up with his nephew in the afterlife? Lame.
The pacing was the most egregious sin this movie committed. I couldn't ever get into the story because it kept moving on, like jeez, give us a minute to process things!
DragonRebelRose i felt that too😭😭
Agree that pacing seemed really off. The first half hour or so actually felt too slow and drawn out for me, while the rest of the movie felt like it was too rushed.
@@LadyTristan The whole movie felt too rushed for me, and too many plot threads going all over the place it was really hard to understand what was going on.
Hello all! Enjoy my review and thoughts about TROS. It wasn't my favorite BUT it has some good stuff in it without a doubt.
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There're people who are saying this movie is the "worst" and "ruins star wars." That's just wrong. But what I like about you is that feel more equal with your reviews. You don't try to overreact to things for clickbate. You acknowledge the flaws and the pros and that's very rare in this fanbase. p.s Do you like the Yellow Lightsaber? So cool to see it in live action!
I agree with you that it overall felt like JJ had too many ideas. The whole movie was fun and the effects and music were awesome, but to me it felt strangely rushed and incomplete.
Rey being a Palpatine didn't really bug me because I kinda expected such a crazy twist, but what bugged me was that they were constantly shoehorning her into that Skywalker legacy role while ignoring Ben as the real Skywalker and didn't let Rey just be herself like during the time around TFA.
And oh my, Ben dying like that was horribly moving, but so unnecessary to me. It just doesn't come off as hopeful that he had so little to do in TROS and got his redemption but then just died forgotten by everyone, no honor, no family reunions, not even a ghost or burial. Not to mention that his family came to help Rey, but ignored him after clinging so much to Bendemption in the previous movies. I'm so disappointed to what they did with his story. Especially with Adam's epic performance. (And Rey kinda felt weird and sort of overpowered in that movie? Idk? Or am I the only one who thinks that...?)
Got a neutral opinion towards the trio, it was interesting to see, but nothing special to me.
Didn't expect much of the new characters either because they are usually not important in the end, but Jannah being a trooper like Finn was pretty nice.
I expected Dark Rey to just be a short vision but she was a missed opportunity, JJ could've played around with it more in my opinion.
I'm glad Reylo is canon though and loved the message with "They want to destroy us by letting us believe that we are alone, but we aren't". The Han scene was also a good idea and very moving. Plus, Rey's new lightsaber was cool. Glad she got her own instead of taking Anakin's.
But overall it felt like there was something missing about TROS and I can't put my finger on it.
Spinnenpfote DonnerClan I completely agree, Ben redemption was undermined and no one cared what happened to him :( waste of character and story. One thing that will hunt me forever is Ben’s eyes when he comes to Palpatine and had the connection with Rey, those eyes could lit every star in the Universe, he was so beautiful, so Ben, how not to love him, dressed casual, he was divine! Him crawling towards Rey and the desperation, man, Adam Driver needs an Oscar he truly delivered as he does with every role he plays!
I think I need therapy for what happened to Ben. He shouldn't have died. He should've fought Palpatine together with Rey. It would have meant way more emotionally. He should have made a family with Rey, creating the greatest force user in the galaxy.
@@ryuncopeland803 I feel exactly the same :(
@@ryuncopeland803 i agree completely
Its like the movie was 3 hours long originally and really good but at the last moment they decided to cut 30-40min of footage from it to shorten the scenes down.
Alex or split it into two movies but they were hung up on it being a trilogy.
I was thinking that too it should be a 3 hour long movie or split into two
Alex If any Star Wars film needed an extended cut this would be it.
That's exactly what they did. JJ asked Disney to turn it into two films they said no. So he figured he could make an adequate finish with a 3hr run time and then for whatever reason in post production they decided to cut it down to where it now has a shorter runtime than TLJ.
@@alysonworthington3933 from what I've read they did that without jj knowing, he was rather upset about the final product that released, hope for an original cut as unlikely as that is
I think this movie would've really benefited from a three hour runtime. Especially the first half needed some much needed breathing room. There's plenty of amazing scenes and sequences that I feel are not getting the attention they deserve due to them being buried underneath so much other stuff.
Small edit: I want to make it clear that I like this movie but I do think simple changes would've made it much better.
We needed the feeling of stakes
I got this kind of rushed feeling from it too. Like there was so much going and it all just sort of seemed to happen, one thing to the other.
Zoe it's like the movie wanted to tell so much but didn't take the time to properly show everything.
Rick T It was definitely rushed, and I think it’s because Abrams was making his ep 8 and ep 9 in one movie (ep 8 ended with Rey’s parents revealed and the Falcon escaping, after that was ep 9, the parallels with the OT are so strong).
I like how Kylo did some of Anakins moves in the movie
saw that too
like what?
And he also pulled Luke's Crait moves when he dodges Rey's attacks in the death star 2 throne room.
I don't agree that there weren't better options for JJ to wrap up this film (if I understand you correctly). I think a lot of great ideas were staring him in the face if he'd spared half a thought for theme or symbolism or motifs, but he didn't. He just went with a plot so convoluted that the amazing Adam Driver spends most of his dialogue on exposition. 😭
I feel like he half assed it
Paraphrasing but the line where he tells Rey about her lineage and goes "You are just like him. You're his granddaughter. You're Rey Palpatine." Holy did this movie lack subtlety
Yea you are right. This was laziest star wars film in the saga. I actually have no idea what Kylos goals were at the start of this film. And him lying about Reys parentage makes no sense either. I'm still waiting for the payoff for Luke's "see you around Kid"
How Roode I disagree, I think that TRoS was Abrams making his ep 8 and ep 9 in one movie (until the Falcon escapes after Rey’s parents are really revealed was Abrams’ ep 8, after that was his ep 9, the parallels to the OT are so strong).
I think it says something that Disney was so unable to find anyone able/willing to finish the trilogy that they literally let Abrams make 2 movies in one because he was the only one with any clue how a trilogy could end. It’s a shame Abrams’ vision was condensed (Poe interacting with the other deserters is one of the saddest casualties of the condensation), but I still loved the vision for what it was.
How would you have ended the trilogy? The pacing was poor because there was a lot to cover and the idea of the start of the movie was "follow more maps" but over all I thought that there were some great attempts of good story telling at least. Im sure many won't agree but, by far the best character development of any prequel movie.
Ben Solo... Such a waste of a character... Hope he came back! Steve from WW and Gandalf did... Till there my heart will be 💔 Rey alone again in the desert... It didn't feel positive for me.
Hoping, praying, wishing
Ben deserves to live
Get ur feeling bro but as for me Ben had to die. No matter how sad it is, a guy like Ben couldn't just go celebrate the end of Palpatine with Evoks playing it like I: Hey, I just redeemed.
@@adamvrana1688 You aren't wrong. But... Exile as a monk on a peak of a Tibetan mountain could work better for him and Rey. Learn by his wrong choices and mistakes, make finally his family proud. Show to the next generations that the road is difficult but possible. Will is a transforming power. Our generation suffers from immediacy. Many find it easy to build and achieve their goals. And we know that happiness is the hardest goal to achieve regardless of any circumstances.
@@feliciavelten9124 Great point of view. I;ve just watched Star Wars Explained's review and as he mentioned this as well, it makes sence to me. Would be great to see actually.
@@adamvrana1688 Although I have nothing to complain about, I live in a developing country. Movies like Black Panther have influenced the black culture in my country in such a brilliant way. I just wanted to see Star Wars, which nevertheless always had a similar role in society, do the same.
I wish we saw all the force ghosts in one scene, or at least Anakin as a force ghost
At least we got to hear him talk to rey along with like 10 other jedi.
@@evanshade19 Yeah that was a really cool scene, glad we at least got that!
I agree. I think that scene was really neat but I wish they were present watching Rey finally achieve what the Jedi of old failed at.
TerraStone that was all I wanted during that scene. I was literally on the edge of my seat hoping to see all the ghosts and especially Anakin
Just gonna clear this up...
Why would Anakin appear as a force ghost when he had no connection at all with Rey? The same would go with all of the other jedi.
The reason why Rey saw Luke and Leia as force ghosts because that's who she knew, and who she connected with.
And if you remembered in Rey's opening scene, she says something like "can you hear me?" (I forgot the actual line, but she was talking about the past Jedi)...and in her moment of need, she heard of all of the jedi voices to help her get up and defeat palpatine.
Aw man I have to disagree with you about the ending. That's probably the part I was MOST disappointed in. I feel like the lesson to be drawn from it is just BLEAK. I mean I guess you could infer or interpret differently, but I feel like our heroes ended up in much the same places they started, especially Rey (almost literally, in her case). I'm still down about it hours later.
Ben dying instead of Rey and Ben getting the ending that Anakin and Padme never got really put a damper on things for me
Exactly, Rey in the desert, no sense of identity other than a stolen last name, she is alone...
Let's not forget the Kathleen Kennedy feminism for the win! The last 6 movies were practically useless. It all revolves around Rey. Kylo gets tossed like a rag doll, and Rey, who isn't even a Skywalker, kills the Emperor. Anakin was then practically pointless.
@@ryuncopeland803 What movie did you watch? Kylo was just as strong as Rey, maybe even more so this time. Rey got herself killed while defeating the Emperor with the help of a 1000 generation of Jedi, including Anakin, Yoda and basically everyone else. If Ben hadn't resurrected her, she'd still be dead. Kathleen Kennedy feminism only exists in your twisted little mind.
@@ryuncopeland803 As a feminist, I have to ask that you DO NOT confuse this nonsense with feminism. Making it clear that a woman's goal in life is to have a family, and then ending her story ALONE exactly as she began, with no parents or lover or chance for children, is sadistic. They basically gave her the ideal male character's ending, not the feminine ideal. It's disgusting. I used to love Rey's character when I thought she brought more diverse and authentic femininity to Star Wars. But no, turns out she was always just a token. Same thing happened with poor Rose, who had NOTHING to do in this movie. And what an insult this was to Carrie Fisher, too.
In short, feminist trilogy MY A$$.
One thing that really annoyed me is that everything seemed to happen for no reason.
There were way too many 'ta-da' moments to pander to fans, to the point where I was rolling my eyes every time a random character or thing from the original trilogy just randomly appeared.
Also how dare they do what they did to Ben Solo, it was such a non-ending.
Every time there was a reference to something in the OT ( visual, dialog, or otherwise) it distracted me from the actual story...
I like Rise of Skywalker but I missed Rian Johnson.
Knives out.
Btw, I did absolutely love Kylo Ren’s action sequence against the Knights of Ren. He had this Keanu Reeves-Neo-thing going on w/his shrug. But I was furious how General Hux was “dispatched.”
Yes, the editing was terrible. I honestly loved the film until the end! The end ripped my heart out. Not sure if I will ever recover! If ben had been the force ghost at the end, and THEN she took the name SOLO, I would have been fine with it.
Well, it's not a Star Wars trilogy without the last part being messy unless you're the prequels where it's the other way around.
In all seriousness I'm still on the positive side of the fence, I definitely get the criticisms, especially the frantic pacing and the clunkyness of Leia's involvement. I think I'm more chill with it because I didn't have any expectations or something I wanted to happen, I wanted to see a satisfying ending and have a good time, and the movie did that for me.
I'm the same.
I had the same reaction. I was super hyped for the other movies and felt a little let down. This one I really enjoyed seeing the first viewing.
Honestly all third installments from all trilogies with the exception of Infinity war for Avengers [Yes I know there's 4 movies] are traditionally klunky and divisive ....I mean look at the third God father film and Spider man 3 talk about divisive finales
@@Rey20171 yeah its par for the course. The only exceptions are The Lord of the Rings and Back to the Future.
@@Rey20171 Captain America: Civil War, Thor Ragnarok, Revenge of the Sith. All the best installments of their trilogies.
I loved it! SPOILERS
***That scene with Han and Ben made me cry. Moments with Leia and Rey were so warm and felt authentic. The Reylo was strong with this film. They really did everything but, unfortunately, letting him live. He was so young, and the comics are exonerating him even more. Rey says to BB-8 that she transferred some of her life force to the San snake. He literally gave her his life. Her life is his. That’s deep.
I’ve been battling with my feelings about the film for about 48 hours now, I agree with you on just about every point. I like the description of it as dessert. I was hoping they’d be brave enough to keep pushing with some of the larger themes of TLJ, but instead they played it safe and kinda just...fine. Over time I will probably just come to accept it. It was thrilling and enjoyable but yeah, the editing was so scattershot, I just wanted it to slowwwww down.
There was so many great moments and scenes but just gone too quickly without a minute to pause and reflect. Ahh! Gonna see it Sunday. 😆
I’m really tired of the trope that redemption = death. Ben deserved to live, imo. This is just Vader 2.0 again. I wanted to see something different. He could have been seen as a Force ghost with Rey in Tatooine and end it there, idk.
I can’t get over that the last words he said canonically were, Oww!” Like this is so badly written. Then he becomes mute and never speaks again. I salute Adam Driver for conveying all the emotions of this character without saying anything.
One thing that will haunt me is that Palpatine had sex. You will never convince that someone had sex with this shriveling raisin. No, hell no!
Going by your Palpatine comment, I assume you're American since the idea of old wrinkly men of royalty getting laid is not that common in your history or culture. As a European let me tell you, this wasn't that special back in the day. Plus, he was a poweful dictator. The movie never claims that he had a loving relationship. For all we know he could've easily raped someone which would even fit the narrative of him looking down on her parents.
*spoilers ahead*
I think the movie has potential in its..hum..concepts...and ideas. I don't think it was rushed out, I believe JJ and company just didn't want to venture into uncertain ground.
The problem is that everything here is shown too quickly. There is too much ..."stuff".
an example...I love seeing the dark side Rey, but it doesn't get the time to really impact on Rey's character because right after that she's busy fighting Kylo...and then the dark side Rey never comes back. I would have thought she would come back when Rey is in front of Palpatine but no. I could go on with other examples but I'll stop here.
I think overall this is a *fun ride* but it tries to go too many places and do too many things.
Finn had to tell something to Rey and we'll never know...Who's that gal Poe flirts with? Barely described..Where did Lando get all those ships...I mean: all of this is stuff for the expanded universe but...you've got to take care of themovie here...you can't always delegate to comic-books, tv series and toys all of the meat.
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I don't get why Rey chooses to use Skywalker's last name and why Ben had to die...but ok: those are choices, not bad execution.
Here's a thought. Ben lives inside Rey. She choosed the Skywalker name in honor of her masters but also because now she and Ben are literally one being. Maybe that would make the ending more tolerable. 🙂
Gabriela Bădiloiu I actually really like that idea. I also think that the ending could be taken as her saying that she didn’t go down the path that being a Palpatine would entail and is instead more of a skywalker
@@MathewDouglas yep
@@GabiBrooks I like your interpretation very much. I actually don't mind the ending as is it right now.
@@oniricPrj I have Star Wars theory to thank about that. He also pointed out how strange is seemed to him that when healing Rey, Ben specifically had his hand on her womb. Interesting🙂
I’ve gotta say I kinda loved the movie. I entirely get where others are coming from with their criticisms, and at the end of the day we all have different subjective opinions and enjoy different things about the franchise. It was by no means what I would have wanted it to be going in, but I found it ended up being what I needed instead.
The biggest take home for me is that going in to it I was exhausted (by life and franchise discourse in general), I’m personally in a period of change and all of the stress it entails. But sat there watching it without any level of critical hat on, just allowing the movie to come at me, I was instantly transported to my 10 year old self, all wonder, joy and hopeful optimism. It was a film that perfectly encapsulated that 30 Saturday morning republic serial Flash Gordon trashy vibe. As convoluted and ridiculous as much of it was, it fit that episodic serial mould.
I think that as adult fans, we’ve somewhere down the line forgotten what it was to be a kid experiencing these movies for the first time, free from the cynical view of adulthood. We’ve analysed these movies too much, sought out too many symbols and details (look at the continuing discourse over using bombers in TLJ) and have just flat out put them on pedestals.
I don’t mean to tell you that you’re in any way ‘wrong’ to have the opinions that you do - it is all subjective after all.
Monkeyboy1138 Your experience sounds eerily similar to mine. But before I saw it, I binged every single theatrically released Star Wars movie ever made, including the animated Clone Wars movie which everyone forgets is the actual worst Star Wars movie ever made not counting a few non-canon entries. I watched them in chronological order, starting with The Phantom Menace, and the prequel era stuff felt utterly ridiculous but surprisingly fun to watch. After watching all that plus Solo plus Rogue One, the special edition of the original trilogy, surprisingly, for all its praise and worship, felt just as ridiculous and just as fun. The Force Awakens felt like the perfect transition from all of that to The Last Jedi, and by the time I saw just how incredibly ridiculous The Rise of Skywalker was, it felt like the perfect end to this crazy franchise to me.
Darth Bane that’s it, this franchise is weird, crazy, it retcons and ignores things they establish, the writing is often awful, the acting sometimes wooden - and often true wonderful art - but my GOD is it all a lot of fun.
This movie shows how scared it is of a loud, minority toxic fan base. It undid so much of what made TLJ great, and instead relied on unnecessary fan service. TLJ had the intention of pushing the Star Wars universe into new territory - challenging the core themes of the saga - and JJ played it safe. He really could have taken some risks and made it memorable. But damn. Such disappointing, cringey choices.
He had to play it safe it was star wars only way of getting it's fans back
Luis this fan never left. Not everyone hated TLJ. In the long run, I feel TROS will be a forgettable ending to an incredible saga, when it could have been something game-changing.
Agreed. This film was just trying to shove in everything that the minority fanbase was hoping for and it's such a mess. Yes, very cringey.
I don't think it has anything to do with that.
I think Johnson understood TFA greatness (all that meta thing about kylo ren being an angry Vader cosplayer and Rey being a grown up Star Wars fan with star wars decorations in her home) and ran with it. I think JJ Abrams didn't understand the greatness of his own story: his meta approach to the force awakens was a narrative solution to a quasi impossible problem (but he didn't understand that it was also the charm of this new film themes): If we have the legacy characters, they will cast a shadow on the new ones, and we don't want that; if we only have the new ones, there is no star wars (because starwars is a character driven story and we need han, leia and luke to at least pass the torch), and we don't want that. So, imo, JJ and Kasdan decided that the legacy characters should be seen as myths and legends by the new characters (just like in real life they are seen by fans): so you can put the new moviegoers and the old fans in the same room (without having to build a story that is boring to old fans who already know who is Luke and the jedi, neither a story that it is not for new comers who doesn't know who is Luke leia Han Vader and the jedi). Example: When someone mentions Luke, Rey smiles in awe and she says "i thought he was a myth" and now we all see Luke as a legend (same with Han, the resistance, the jedi). And the movie worked pretty well.
I believe that the last jedi was a more consistent continuation from the force awakens than the rise of skywalker; but anyways: i think that JJ didn't just surrender to the toxicity, he just made the movie he would want to make in the first place if he was in charge of the whole trilogy; i am pretty positive that this is why episode 9 seems like two movies merged in one: he did what he planned to do for 8 and 9 in one movie by also being as true as possible to what happened in the last jedi: some things he used cleverly, some others he just retconned.
Conclusion: i think Abrams did just what he wanted, not what the toxic fandom wanted. And i think he didn't have the creativeness to figure out where to go from Luke and Snoke's death; some people can't handle freedom.
I don't really think the toxic fandom makes a great pressure to Disney. People who does not read comment sections (and it is like more than 95%) don't know or care about it. My friends and girlfriend who followed this trilogy with me doesn't know any of it: the "oh the cross sword is dumb" "rey is a mary sue" "it is a rehash" "it is a rehash but i also complain about the parts that are different" "fire jj abrams" "Rian Johnson should direct 9 after 8 comes out" "fire rian johnson and kathleen" "he shited on the fans" "he shited on Luke" passed through them, they never heard any of it. Ok maybe the part that racist and mysoginistic dudes harassed Kelly Marie Tran, but they thought that those were some white supremacists and not the dumb fatass next door.
@@ImpoForrest TLJ had a really positive critical consensus, cinemascore showed that had a really positive audience consensus and it made more than a billion world wide. Disney did not play safe for the fans, Abrams did what he always wanted to do if he should be the director of the whole trilogy, and nobody told him otherwise because
A- After the firing of Trevorrow and the death of Carrie (who was suppossedly the main legacy character of 9) there was no time, and Abrams was the only one who could pull it off (as he pulled it off with 7)
B-With the massive success of 7 and having everybody talking about star wars again, why wouldn't they let him do what ever he wants, he knows better.
Also the retconning of TLJ broke my heart...
There was no retconning, mate.
There is a lot going on. I was more overwhelmed by all that was packed into two hours than upset about what did or didn't happen. JJ just showed us the difference between the PT and the ST. True love. Unconditional love.
Yes, I did wish for more, even while it played out. He showed us how Anakin didn't need to be in the film - although we did hear his voice and many others.
I'm glad some things I wished for didn't happen because of the way it was done.
Editing was a mess. "Kylo descending into hell was cool... but it was all kind of meaningless." Thanks that kind of sums it up. And you're right about tlj it was a good movie. It really reignited my love of Star Wars. Though I will say I wasn't a fan of Canto Bight or the way the resistance was getting wittled down to nothing. But in Empire I found Yoda's training of Luke boring too, but that doesn't mean I tossed the whole movie. And when everything's said and done I can't tell if the st was Rey's story or Kylo's story. Should have been Kylo's but felt more like Rey's.
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Ok, I disagree with you on many terms, although this is your opinion, and I can't do anything about that, for me. I loved it, I thought the story was good, but there were a few things that I didn't like. Such as, How easily Palpatine died to a simple error in his methods (back in revenge of the sith, mace windu reflected his lightning back onto palpatine) and now rey does the same thing, which is how he dies, I didn't like that she was afraid of her heritage, when she said to the old woman that she was a skywalker and not a palpatine, I thought that ruins her bravery. I also thought that Ben dying was completely uneccesary as his arc was complete after turning to the light, whereas rey needed to die for her arc. What I did like was how powerful they made palpatine look in this one and also how powerful Ben Solo was. Overall I would rate 10/10.
Those are your only problems with the movie?🤔
There was so much unexplained in this movie for me...how is palpatine back? how did he build this giant fleet? why did ben die? how did palpatine have a kid and why wasn’t his kid something powerful also?
It's a mess
I'm hanging out for an explanation on your last two points.
Palpatine survived RotJ and went into hiding, obviously. He had plenty of followers to help him with anything. Ben died because Rey was dead and he resurrected her by giving her all of his life force. I guess he could have levelled the HP between them, but I suppose he was just too desperate to bring her back to take any chances on that. Palpatine had a muggle son who wanted nothing to do with him, obviously.
@@maya-parisan That makes perfect sense.
After The Last Jedi, I went around asking questions. The answers from level headed fans made me fall further in love with the movie.
Personally, I'm struggling to come to terms with a couple of plot points, but hopefully I'll find decent explanations and one day fall in love with this movie as well.
Also, there's something that I find intriguing. Adam Driver said in a recent interview that the ending is ambiguous. Alsooo, Ben wasn't a force ghost alongside his mother and his uncle. Imo they played it safe so they could bring him back later if they feel like doing so. Now he basically lives inside Rey. Maybe she'll be able to bring him back somehow. As you can see, I don't buy the "End of the Skywalker Saga" bullshit from Disney. Who's to say they won't try to bring back fans with more fanservice in case of backlash? They did bring back Palps, the clone wars brought back Maul. C'mon guys...I find your lack of faith disturbing😂
I'm with you with this one
The first ghost I'm looking forward seeing at the last couple scene was Ben and honestly I'm kinda glad that it wasn't shown. Although the lack of credit of Ben's sacrifice leave a bitter taste in my mouth.
I'm kind of with you on that. Quite frankly the ending of the film in the last battle sequence and the events that came after sort of felt to me very Dark Crystal Esque... "We are all a part of each other"
I think Disney would attempt to bring him back, especially after fan backlash. But I have my doubts about Adam Driver being willing to collaborate with Disney after this!
@@marianacasper Well yes that is true , we would probably end up with another "Solo a Star Wars Story" situation where we get an actor that is a close physical resemblance of the previous actor of the character. Will they be as good as Adam Driver more than likely no but can they have the potential to be as good well it's possible. But Adam will always be number one.
I really feel that the 3 hour version of this movie could help all the pacing issues in the beginning. But I still really love this movie
Ultimately I think TROS was trying to hard to please everyone rather than build upon the previous films.
All the actors did there best and I appreciate the hard work but the best I give it is a 7/10.
But I still love star wars and I guess sometimes not all things work out.
It's better on the second viewing. The biggest problem in my opinion is that the scenes that should punch you emotionally don't, and a lot of that has to do with pacing and things not tracking properly. After knowing how the story plays out, I found it much better upon second viewing. It's better than TFA but not even in the same league as TLJ. Rian Johnson just knows how to make scenes work better than JJ. The force ghost scene between Luke and Rey should have felt like the Luke and Yoda scene in TLJ, but it just didn't at all.
Luke and Rey should've been the emotional high of the whole movie but its just felt off and too quick. I don't know what it was.
@@kylebookout1789 Well first of all, Ahch-To looked awful. It didn't even look like Ahch-To. Luke's hair was weird. The dialogue was almost as bad as the prequels. There was no depth to the conversation. It was basically just "Jedi face fear, btw I know you're a Palptatine some how, here is Leia's lightsaber and an X-wing" ... Such a waste. How did JJ honestly make that scene and then have the audacity and arrogance to throw subtle shade at TLJ in it? Luke and Yoda talked about learning from failure, legacy, and selflessly passing yourself onto the next generation. Just a joke.
Yeah i know what you mean very expository and on the nose. There is subtle shade on TLJ throughout depending on your point of view. That yoda luke scene is literally one of my all time favorite star wars scenes. JJ could've built on it. Idk. I cant make a movie. Lol
So true that Last Jedi is even more amazing compared to this. I love it so much!
I loved it, but I'm a star wars fanboy shill. I even like Attack of the Clones. I know I'm biased lol
But on a serious note: it was a lot of fun, and that's all I'm looking for in a star wars movie. I had a lot of fun.
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I 100% agree with you. The beginning may have been a bit clunky in my opinion but i still loved every minute of it and had a blast. And I think I may be bit biased too since I love all the movies (even The Last Jedi). But the whole point of the movie was to have a good time and that is what I did. I’m glad there are others who also enjoyed this film.
@@MathewDouglas I get it at this point Star Wars is basically a religion, but after working all day all In want to do is throw a star wars movie in and have fun for a few hours.
I agree!
I liked it
I think all of the people that liked the movie STILL would have liked it had Ben lived...maybe even more so. Prodigal Son and all that. And all of the people that didn’t like the movie would have consented that it was a satisfying ending. Therefore, I’m very confused on the choice to kill him off. Unless Adam Driver said “Please don’t put me in anymore Star Wars”. 😂
Rey and Kylo are opposites in the force, one powerfull light, other powerfull darkness. They are balance, if one changes the side, one have to die. I think this explaines that end 🤷🏻♂️ And Rey being a Palpatine and choosing the name Skywalker means that she became the balance itself. Maybe the yellow saber means that too.
Found out about Ben's death on Wednesday and spent the next two hours just crying my eyes out. How dare they do this to Ben, Rey, and us😠😠😠💔💔💔💔💔
I've read tones of books, seen many TV shows and movies, and played so many RPGS, and I've only seen a tragic romance done right once. ONCE!!!! And that was the Mistborn Trilogy by Brandon Sanderson, where they both died. In that case it made total sense, because there was no where else for the characters to go. Elend, our main guy, was the Emperor of what was left of mankind, on that world at least. Vin, his wife, became the Goddess of Preservation to face off against the God of Ruin, who had been behind most if the problems throughout the trilogy. Elend dies in battle and Vin basically says to Ruin "You shouldn't have killed him, because that was the only thing keeping me alive." Vin goes full kamikaze on Ruins' ass and they both die. At the end, one of the other main characters gets the powers of both Preservation and Ruin and becomes Harmony. Harmony leaves a message for the rest of the cast saying that "I just had a chat with Elend and Vin. They're fine where they are, and don't want to come back." That all made sense. This movie does not.
I've always hated the love stories that end with one of the lovers dead. The bullshit excuse of "He lives on in Rey" is exactly that. Bullshit. The writers have done us wrong, and they did Ben and Rey wrong. I've already got tickets for Sunday with my friends, but Disney will not be getting another dime out of me until Ben is resurrected and he and Rey get the life together that they deserve.
I remember the mistborn series having one of the only tragic endings that didn't make me feel depressed. I was a bit sad, but it was nice to hear the characters were happy and ok wherever they were.
I can watch and read tragic stories and sometimes come out of them feeling like the story was overall good, but the problem is I can never re-experience the story a second time without the heavy sadness and anger they inspire hitting me twice as hard, so I usually avoid ever seeing or reading a tragic story a second time. In this case that is devastating to me because I love Star Wars, and would have loved to watch the ending over and over again. I didn't mind the tragedy in the PT because the OT ended on a happier note. I didn't mind the ST opening with Han and Leia's relationship having been a bitter sweet one because I thought they had to be gearing up for a bigger happy ending. Moving this saga from tragic, to bittersweet, and back to tragic is just depressing. Ben and Rey could never have had a completely normal white picket fence existence because there would always be those who wouldn't care if he was redeemed after his run as a villain, but they could have been together.
@@winterinbloom Exactly 👏👏👏
I have mix feelings with Episode IX, I'm a fan of The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, one was the best way to return to Star Wars, and the other was an amazing movie with beautiful visual storytelling and great message, this one, has a great ending for the sequel trilogy and the characters but I have problems with the way that was executed.
GOOD THINGS: Kylo Ren and Rey's story, Leia's sacrifice, Lando, Chewbacca, C3po, Origin of Snoke and the First Order, visuals, music, sound design, and the ending was a perfect rhyme with Episode III, VI and IV.
BAD THINGS: The editing in the first act, saturated with exposition dialog, retcon of some thing that The Last Jedi did, that doesn't have to fix.
MY THOUGHTS: I dont hate it, I dont Love it, Is NOT A BAD Star Wars movie, but is not a great one either, is my least favorite of the sequel trilogy, but at least has a great ending for my favorite characters, I dont like to give scores to movies, but for The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, I always put them between 8 or 9 (Yes, I love those movies)
For the Rise of Skywalker I'll give it a 6.5 or 7, I have to watch it a second time and organize my feelings about it.
I never understood the retcon argument people make
Thank you for your reaction video. I’m still processing and will definitely watch it two or three more times. My first impression is that there were way too many new characters added and not enough character development and screen time for the main characters that we already had. Ben Solo had zero lines in the final act and I didn’t see justification for the title being The Rise of Skywalker. I like Finn despite his arc not making much sense...maybe he represents the fans that just love Rey. I love Rey in TLJ and TFA but am still coming to terms with her being written as a Palpatine. She comes full circle and still ends up alone on a desert planet. I will always think that Ian’s best work is in the prequels and originals. I’m glad you mentioned the editing because I felt it was choppy and didn’t really understand why at first. Even the music didn’t carry me as in previous films. Someone said in the GWS livestream last night that John Williams wrote score for a different story. In my opinion, Rian Johnson solidified Rey as being canon but at least we got a kiss. Bendemption is canon but I wanted to see more and feel more weight to Ben’s arc and him saving the galaxy. Hux was underused...we didn’t need General Pryde though Richard E. I Grant is a phenomenal actor. So many feelings and, as I said at the beginning, I’m still processing. I want to like this movie!! I’m looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts. I hope you and GWS can do a collab livestream. I need to feel better about this movie. (I hate that it was marketed as the end of the Skywalker saga because it didn’t feel like an end at all.). Still processing. 🤔
The memory of Han just triggered the good Skywalker side inside Ben. Therefore the title Rise of Skywalker seems justifiable for me.
Ben should have live, Anakin could have returned and save him. Palpatine is good character but come on guys, whatever to let the past die? 🤦♀️
I just walked out of watching the movie, and it is not as bad as people think it is. The opening is not really that bad, tho my only criticism is that it was going too fast at some parts
I fully agree with you, this is the first star wars movie I felt like it didn’t really conect to me in the same way. But I am not That angry over and its still has a alot of Good stuff but not the best.
honestly i would give this film a 7.5. I love the sequel trilogy, but everything felt rushed. I think another 30-45 minutes would've really done some justice to the film, help explain some more things. Also, i totally think Ben shouldn't have died. So many people died for him (Han, Leia, even Luke) and now all of their deaths seem kinda meaningless. So I don't think him dying for Rey was a good ending (even though I will forever ship Reylo). I believe they should've ended up together, happy, and rule the galaxy, together.
Ben did deserve a happy ending.
Honestly, the only feelings I have now for this film are disappointment.
I'm hoping I will turn around on it eventually, but for the time being I'll just focus on other things as to not get too pessimistic.
there are Reylos who are so distraught they can't let Ben's death go. I am a Reylo but Ben is now a Force Ghost who WILL be able to connect with Rey again like Luke.
I really truly wanted to like this movie, I loved the Reylo bits but everything else was just so bland to me. I'm so bummed out :(
I'm heart broken and this is my least favorite star wars movie of all time. At-At thank you for creating a great community and all the great content that you do.
Big disappointment for me..great acting musical score & cinematography are not the only elements for a good film...its mainly the storytelling. There has to be a well written storyline along with well written characters & its not there with this film or with the sequel trilogy as a whole. The potential was there initially but it just fell through.
I did not like it at all. I feel like there was no reason for this to be part of the Skywalker Saga. I have a couple of friends who liked it, if you liked it that is great...but to me it was a retcon of TLJ and I find that upsetting. TROS is a huge discombobulated mess that has no meaning. 😔
I with you my friend. The only great scenes Chewy breaking down, Lando, Force Ghost Luke, John Williams as well as Wedge cameo but other elements drowned this movie , the worst Star Wars film I have ever seen 😢😢😢😥😥😥😥... I feel like Padame telling Anakin your breaking my heart.
@@louisalvarez9907 Oh believe me friend. ..my heart is broken too. 💔
One question I have to ask: Why Ben Solo doesn't appear as a Force Ghost at the end of the movie? What does that mean? Is he alive in some way somewhere o he simply lost all the force he had saving Rey so he wasn't able to become a Force Ghost?
In still pondering this
I personally think that in Bens act of saving rey he gave his soul, his spirit to her and they are now one being, two sides of the same coin, yin and yan. I think thats why she named herself skywalker, not only because she choses this families legacy, hope, over Palpatine, not only because she wants to honour Ben, Leia, Luke and Anakin, but also because she feels ben inside her, guiding her, talking to her, because they balance each other out and due to that balance they are the best versions of themselves. I think thats why ben solos ghost doesnt appear. Because he is in Rey
@@martazega6377 That's a good option. It's just that his death was so heartbreaking that my mind keeps searching an excuse for him to be alive 😭
@@esthervalverde5004 I totally feel you, me and my best friend are probably going to cry for the next month, and possibly never get over it. But this is what I think to be the better and the more plausible option over him losing his force, because it would seem so cruel to not reward him for all his sacrifice.
@@martazega6377 At least it conforts me to know that there are lots of fans out there that feel as broken as me. 💓
TLJ and Rogue One are the best films in the series as far as technical direction goes
As someone who liked The Last Jedi despite its flaws I have to say I was really disappointed by this film. I thought the opening wasn't a great way to have started the movie and the film raised a lot more questions than it did answers.
There were a few things I liked, like the Han scene and the ending with the twin suns was nice but would have been better if it were the ending to a different version of the film.
I'm seeing it again in a couple of days but for now it's my least favourite Star Wars movie tied with The Phantom Menace.
Couldn't agree more with the first two parts, sad to see the franchise go out like this
Questions raised? What?
I agree, it was okay. I'd honestly say all my favorite scenes were rey and kylo/ben. Might go see it again and try not to have an emotional breakdown.
Like JJ either made a mistake of hiring Adam Driver for this role or not at all. Adam Driver made Kylo/Ben such a nuanced, vulnerable, and relatable character that everyone else sort of faded into the background. Not to say that there isn't some real talent and strength with the new characters, but Adam is a phenomenal actor and he was extremely underutilized here. All I know is that years from now, we will all still remember Kylo/Ben the most.
Came here right away after watching the film. All the leaks I've read was true and despite of that, things are still so hard to swallow. 💔 RIP Ben 😭
What I NEEDED in this movie: Bendemption.
What I desperately wanted in this movie: No Rey origin retcon, Ben surviving.
Mixed feelings. Really wish we saw Ben standing with his mother and uncle at the end.
All he had to do was bring back anakin as a force ghost, and it would have connected back to everything
Yesterday, I was all up in arms because of what I'd heard leaked. I was over at Girls with Sabers just insulting this movie and mad at JJ, and today, I saw the movie, and I'm humbled. This has taught me to never judge something before you see it and experience it for yourself, something I should have known, given my age. I'm 44. I've been a fan since I was 7 years old. Honestly, I was not a big fan of the prequels, but having watched them again with my husband last week, I have a new appreciation for them. I liked that the sequel trilogy took us back to what was familiar, but I also understood people who were mad because they did not follow the extended universe. And I was upset when they had things in the script of TFA, that would have gone a long way to explaining some of the things that have happened in TROS and made it a bit less shocking (and explained things better in the first two movies, too), cut. However, I still really like each of the films. I've only seen it one time in the theater, and it was in IMAX, so the sound gave a good punch to the action. It was pretty intense. At first, the quick cuts between scenes was exciting. Then, I felt it got to be too much. Movies need some time where things are slower and more character driven. Some of the moments weren't quite earned and I felt they had everything they needed to make a great film after TLJ without bringing Sideous back. There are things in the TFA script that hint that it was, perhaps, at least a concept that they wanted to explore.
At this point, I honestly can't say whether or not they just had suggestions to stick to or an outline or what. It doesn't feel like they had a strong, cohesive outline. I did always wonder why Snoke didn't have sith eyes. I knew Kylo didn't because he'd never fallen completely to the dark side, but Snoke? Him being a clone would make sense, wouldn't it, in that aspect. The only problem is that it feels like it's out of left field. I'm not quite sure, either, how her being Palp's granddaughter and him being Anakin's grandson makes them a dyad. There were parts in the script of TFA about him recognizing her that were cut. That's why he says, "What girl?" when he gets the news that BB-8 escaped with a girl. But back to TROS, it's not clear whether Kylo has left Rey alone during all of the time since TLJ. But he suddenly wants her as his queen once he realizes the emperor is back. Maybe he feels that the information she has will make her more willing to turn. Maybe enough time has passed that he's not as angry with her, but it does seem a little sudden and out of nowhere. And why does he have the mask on to speak with her the first time. Vulnerability? He doesn't want her to see his real cracks? Not if he's to gain her allegiance against Palpatine, perhaps?
But oh, can we just focus on those incredible force bond scenes? Ok, I do feel cheated not to have gotten his "But I do." but those force bond scenes, so powerful that you think the scene on the downed death star is one at first. When he yanked that necklace off of her in that first scene, my husband and I both said, "Whoa!" It was incredible! And while some people didn't like the regression of their relationship, I did. It happens. He wasn't ready to be a man. And she was actually not ready to be a woman. They could not be what the other one needed in TLJ, so they had a falling out. She's angry at his actions. He was angry at her rejection but seems to have cooled off and grown up a bit.
The two of them having lightsaber fights through their bond was just phenomenal. That they can connect, touch, etc. through space and time is wild. I think there's a lot to digest in this movie because of the quick pacing, perhaps things we aren't seeing on the surface. That's been pretty consistent with all three of these films. It's hard to judge on one viewing.
Han coming back was just perfect. He came to the premier, so I'm pretty confident that he filmed those scenes. But he wasn't a ghost, like some people were saying. He was a memory. So through all of those cracks, through Leia's efforts, a memory of his father pulls him back, and it's such a beautiful echo of that same scene in TFA that was so horrific. This time, he made the right decision. It was his father's heart inside of him that pulled him back, along with the light of his mother and the light of Rey. Just lovely.
I'd like to know how he got off of that moon, though. But that transfer of the lightsaber from Rey to Ben, though. Epic!!!! I guess the knights could tell that he wasn't Kylo anymore. And when they faced the emperor together, so awesome, but so short-lived. I was disappointed that they both seemed powerless against him. The lightsabers turning his energy against him was awesome, but then he regrew his fingers like it was nothing. What?!?!?! They were both pulling a ship out of the sky earlier (amazing!) but suddenly they are nothing against him. He takes their power, so I can understand why he so easily gets tossed down into the pit, and in essence, though I was disappointed that they didn't defeat the emperor together. I can understand it a bit, since she was a Jedi channeling the knowledge and energy of the Jedi that had come before her, and he'd never become a Jedi, but it just seems a waste of his character. This should have been a bigger fight with more winning moments from Ben, in my opinion. Some people were upset that he didn't have any dialogue (except for "Ow."), but I don't think he needed it with what he had to work with. He has so much expression in his face, and it was good to see Ben and Rey communicating without words. The expressions on his face when he sees she's dead and that resolve when he knows what he's going to do and that he will die is faultless. He's perfect. At first, I was really upset to know that he doesn't get any kind of real death acknowledgement from anyone. Like he was nothing. But, I think the information of them being a dyad is pretty significant. Since I don't think there will be a movie or show or anything with it, I think it'll be carried forward in books and comics. It's the only reason they would have glossed over things as though he hadn't died, because in essence, he didn't. His life essence is in her. They formed a dyad. She's part of the natural force and he's part of the cosmic force. Because he's in her and perhaps even able to still communicate with her, he wouldn't be separated as force ghost. I think a little bit of his essence was left just to have that moment with her and then when he disappears, the rest goes into her.
It's a melancholy moment and it's something I wish they had highlighted if that's what they intended. But I didn't blubbery cry like I thought I would. I'm a big cryer, and something someone said about the dyad gave me hope. I don't think Ben Solo is gone forever physically. They did show that blood isn't everything. They made a big deal about family being more than blood. But I don't think the physical Skywalkers are gone from the universe forever. Maybe I'm wrong and they are, but it was just odd that they didn't show Ben as a force ghost. Something more is going on.
Overall, this movie rocked on the first viewing for me, and I plan to go again. I do think in the future they should never do a Star Wars trilogy with a director who writes or co-writes the script. It should be one director for all three films and should be done the Peter Jackson way if at all possible. And one writing team. Consistency is key and this trilogy suffered due to different visions and styles that did not mesh with each other very well.
I had fun, though, and that's what mattered. I got my Reylo confirmation that I'm still surprised people missed. I mean, it was so obvious to me, but then again, I do have a trained literary eye.
One last thought. Poor Hux. I think they missed an opportunity with him. I think they could have taken the movie in very interesting ways, and I think bringing Palps back without a setup that, looking back, is apparent, is messy and stubborn. It was like JJ wanted these things to happen but didn't set them up well enough, so Rian didn't carry them forward and JJ was mad and said, "I'll show you! I'm still gonna make it go the way it should have." Was Snoke supposed to be the main big bad? Well, I don't know. Why didn't he have Sith eyes?
I think if Ben Solo had survived, I would be probably 1000x happier than I am. Adam just brought so much more weight to his character that made is death so much more devastating. Adam is a juggernaut of an actor and it seems such a waste for him to be in the film for only like 5 minutes. Plus, there were so many options JJ had to continue Ben's story, his arc just seems so unfinished, sure he turned to the light but it seems so lazy to end his redemption arc with death rather than putting in the work for Ben to continue working towards redeeming himself not only to Rey but to the galaxy (which it seems that no one aside from Rey will know what he did to not only save her but to help her destroy Palpatine).
It was pretty unbearable for me; some parts were good but the lows are really low. And after walking out of the theater, the more I think on it, the more I hate it. It was so rushed that I honestly can't remember much of anything. I also found it really cruel how they released all this content establishing Ben Solo was just a lost, abused kid and then kill him off in 0.5 seconds after we see him truly happy for the first time. THEN CUT TO THE RESISTANCE CELEBRATING. Like damn that's cold.
on the bright side, my appreciation for TLJ increased tenfold.
@@maevemurphy7902 TLJ was always almost a masterpiece , people still dont get it..they will in a decade
I hope 9 gets released with an extended edition tho
Agreed! They really did that to the last Skywalker...😭
That bothered me too! There really was no mourning scene for Ben. Obviously the Resistance wouldn't mourn his passing but, RotJ had Luke giving Anakin that nice funeral pyre send off even as the Rebellion celebrated. Rey is really the only person who could do the same for Ben so why didn't we see that? Especially since she goes to the trouble of returning Luke and Leia's sabers to Tatooine, yet we never get to see her memorialize Ben? Kind of undermines any significance of the kiss tbh.
palpatine was back and not in a good way. this is the principal about it
This reminds me of why I love your channel: yours is a fair, honest, balanced review; not negative to the point of hyperbole and not blindly praising, either. There are going to be countless videos that are going to go hard on the clickbait-y negativity to scratch the itchy rash infesting the bodies of the people complaining most strongly about this film. We're going to be harassed to the point of distraction with people telling us all the reasons why we should hate this movie and if we love it we're just Disney shills, or some such nonsense. It's how the Star Wars fandom rolls now. They're poisoned beyond salvation.
I'm seeing it tonight. I went into full "spoil-me" mode, seeking them out whenever I could because I find that they actually enhance my experience and increase my hype level. So, I know what's going to happen, but that only makes me more excited to see how it happens. I know there are things I'm going to have problems with, and I'm pretty sure I'll need to see it more than once to really soak it all in, but that doesn't lessen my enthusiasm.
I really hope Ben isn’t dead. Bring my boy back. I don’t care how. I hope at the end Rey is going to go save him and pull him back from the world between worlds.
I felt like I'd been on a rollercoaster. There was so much going on. I loved the fights. Rey and Kylo/Ben's scenes were the best but the whole thing felt rushed. If they'd made it 3 hours just allowed moments to hold you instead of rushing through it, it could've been so much better. Such poignant moments you didn't get the time to feel and process. Good but a little disappointed.
I totally agree. I describe this as “sorry for my sour grapes but ROS was grape juice and I’m way more into wine. It’s a movie for kids than intellectuals. If you like space wizards and comic books and Saturday morning cartoons you will probably love this film” but for the deeper feeling audience and a lot of women, we were robbed an epic story, and given something merely “grand”
I feel weird after watching this movie because I was really enjoying it...and then Ben dies, and that left me veeeery sad. I guess the really wanted him to be a parallel to Darth Vader, but at least Anakin spent some good years in the lightside rolling in the grass, having meaninful relationships with Obi, Ahsoka and Padme; Ben was pulled to the darkside very young being horribly manipulated by Snoke/Palpatine and when he finally grows past his traumas he´s in the lightside a couple of hours and gets killed.
I think once you start to analyse TROS, you’ll perhaps find it to be one of the best Star Wars films, alongside TESB and TLJ. I’ve seen it twice and love it !!
Lazy Wookee I agree that all 3 of those movies are my favourites from the series. I can’t wait to see the movie again
Geralt of Trivia I love the micro series as its just non stop fun!
If there is one thing I do absolutely loved about Rise of Skywalker...it's the chemistry between the main three..., I just wish Rose had more to say and some decisions felt a bit tacked on...but other than that, I actually rank this above return of the jedi as far as being a great finale...JJ Abrams may have been too fast, but I absolutely love the energy of this film..that being said, The Last Jedi is my favorite of the three..but overall..I liked the sequel trilogy..
They were trying to make all the people who hated TLJ happy and all the people who loved TLJ happy. Didn’t really succeed at either.
But at least we got Bendemption, Reylo, and some great scenes between Kylo and Rey. I also really liked Rey’s anger in this movie. Daisy has a lot to do emotionally and delivered
Ben Solo is the best! Just amazing!
After one viewing here as well, I am right on track with your analysis - thanks for posting. Seeing again tonight.
Something random I'm watching for - Ben/Kylo's reactions to Rey repeated destruction of his vehicles, lol. He may have made the worst onscreen proposal since Mr. Darcy, but damn, she is a seriously bad girlfriend when it comes to his rides.
1. Steals the shuttle from Supremacy while he is unconscious (after giving him back his lightsaber, that was nice.)
2. Chopped his snazzy sports TIE in half (seriously, why the hell was he flying at her? Editing issue is my guess. There was some force bond conversation that ended up on cutting room floor, but because that shot was in the first trailer, JJ had to keep it in the movie, although it no longer meant anything?)
3. Lightning-bolted his staff transport minivan thing. (I hope book reveals if Kylo knew Chewie was not on that one or not. Ben/Chewie scene was on my wishlist. Ah, well.)
4. Stole his SECOND snazzy sports TIE leaving him stranded in the middle of the ocean so she could fly it to another ocean and blow IT up as well. (My first thought was "oh, maybe Finn will give him a ride back to shore and ... nope." Also, really wanted to see the inside of that ship. I seem to remember reading somewhere that it was a two seater.)
5. At the end, all he has left to use to get to her on Exogal to save her ungrateful ship-stealing/blowing-up self was to himself commandeer some cheapo standard issue TIE. (I had the image of Adam Driver in that tiny smart car from the zombie movie last year.)
6. She ends up with his dad's totally cool custom classic ship at the end. At least we can assume she will love and take care of that. (Another book moment I'm hoping for - her coming across some little toy ship, or child's drawing of one somewhere on the Falcon.)
Ugh, I just needed a little bit more! A few more beats here and there for the force connections. Missed the total silence except for their breathing and voices that we had in Last Jedi. And there HAD to have originally been some dialogue between them at the end. Just such abrupt editing. I don't remember any long unbroken shots in the entire thing.
Deep breath and getting ready to watch in a open frame of mind tonight.
I feel the same. I loved it and really enjoyed my experience in the theatre, but I did want more. I was satisfied ultimately, but I wanted something with more weight. It felt rushed, which can be attributed to the editing, but I’m still happy about it.
Being a Reylo, I’m thrilled with their romance being canon, but it was almost too cheesy for me. Very Romeo and Juliet except Juliet lives. I wanted more emotion, I want her to cry for his death at least.
I loved every bit of Bendemption though. Adam Driver is amazing.
I really loved the part where luke lifted the x wing and ben solo using his blaster just like his father
Loved Ben Solo using his grandfather's Saber. The xwing part was off to me but sti really cool!
I don’t know how I feel about it. Saw it last night. It seemed like a lot of it was “we know some people didn’t like TLJ so we’re just going to rewrite and retcon pretty much all of it.” Honestly I loved the characters of Kylo/Ben and Poe in this and thought they stole the show. (Really wish Ben lived and Rey sacrificed herself to beat Palpatine and have Ben be the Skywalker that rises.) I liked Palpatine but wish they explained how he’s actually there. I think I might like it better then TLJ and TFA but honestly I need to see it again to confirm my feelings on it.
i was positively suprised by this movie, i didnt hate tlj but i didnt love it, i just liked it. i feel like this movie made tlj a lot better for me and overall just connected the whole story in a very satisfying way
Ive just finished watching TROS. Im fresh out of the cinema and Im still under the impression of it all. I must say that before watching TFA I have never been a true, hardcore SW fan. But this ST left me speechless and immediately drew me in to this fairy tale to the point that I started digging deeper into all the plot twists of the whole saga and reading comics and novels. I agree with you that the first act of TROS is rushed up and theres a lot to take in and process and the speed doesnt allow us that. But the second and third act are mesmerizing and beautiful and have emotional strength. The music just was just perfect to set us into that final emotional blow. The end is what did it for me tho. It was full of hope and, ultimately pure love, not only on kylo and reys side. I was crying, i was full of tears, both of sadness and happiness because i got what i wanted, but just not the way i thought i would get it. This whole concept of Ben living on in Rey and Leia guiding her own son to their version of heaven, in which he is with his family, and when the time comes, Rey will be there to. Its just so powerful and beautiful and full of hope. If im honest, I was scared of not loving this film because of all the negative reviews but I ended up doing so. As for the disappointment , I think it will get better on second viewing because it will sink in by then.
I know this is a long af comment, but i really needed to let out my boiling emotions. Im really looking forward to your further TROS videos, especially after you watch it again. MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU ALWAYS
I feel like the second viewing would make it a little better since we know what's coming and we have more time to process through the fast pacing. The low key ret-cons were irritating but nevertheless I really did enjoy it. It could have been way better for sure. The story I don't mind that much. I think the pacing and editing is the part that really throws you off. You hardly get to figure out what just happened, before you are thrown into the next scene. At least Ben came back; that was the most important thing to me.
I really enjoyed the movie but the dead of Kylo Ren and the ending scene with Rey alone on Tatooine make me sad, bittersweet and melancolic. At least the family name of Skywalker don't die. ..
I am thinking about it: the name of Skywalker is come from a women: Shmi. It's make also a sense that an another women take her name. It's not just the legacy of Luke, Ben, Leia or Han but also shmi, who is the first character that all is begun..
I watched it on the 18th and I was waiting for your review impatiently because I knew you would feel the same way I did about this movie, and yes the editing was a mess, it hardly leaves room for breathing and I don't like that about it even though I really enjoyed it.
thank you for this video, please don't keep us waiting too long , you're the best!
I love this film. I didn't find the beginning to be paced or edited poorly. I loved the rapidness of it. Go, go, go. For that, I was SO, SO sucked into the movie right from the start. Beside that, I think the biggest thing is humour. TLJ is a great film, but its humour all fell completely flat for me, whereas with this film, I laughed the whole way through.
Now, I wasn't happy with some of the bigger plot decisions, but that's not as important to me as the character relationships, and Rey/Finn/Poe and Rey/Kylo Ren were a joy to watch for the entire runtime. Daisy Ridley's performance was AMAZING. I wasn't happy Rose was sidelined, however. That might be the greatest disappointment for me.
For Reylos who didn't want Ben to die, consider the World Between Worlds. It's referenced in the ancient Jedi texts she owns. What if after she buries the sabers, she goes looking for an entrance to the World Between Worlds, to try and save Ben? :)
(FYI: I also love TLJ. It's my favourite Star Wars film, by far.)
This definitely feels like Return of the Jedi for me. A perfectly serviceable, satisfying narrative that has fun moments... but oh my God it could have been sooooooo much more. Rian really set the stage with lots of potential for a grand, exciting finale. There was really lots of potential to make a grand thematic statement about what this Skywalker Saga was all about. I feel like JJ only catered to the lowest common denominator of Star Wars fans. The best thing I can say about this movie is that John Williams delivered big time. At least we got a great musical score from this movie. I will make peace with this movie. But Return of the Jedi and even Revenge of the Sith are both way more satisfying as trilogy cappers.
Considering the pacing, I wonder if there were any scenes cut scenes that might help the film if they were reintegrated in an extended cut?
I think this film felt disconnected from TFA and TLJ because a ton of people hated those movies,
You mean people on UA-cam? It's ok to admit if a film is not good. ♥️
@@ATATChat Yeah
I made it, I survived Episode 9. Ok I'm being dramatic. But anyway before I begin I got to say that this has been quite a week, this has been quite a week this has been quite a wild , eventful four years that never fails to have a dull moment or something to...well let's just say something to talk about even on dull, boring days [Which sometimes happened tooo often] Anyway let's jump right into this I never thought I would ever one day come out of a Star Wars film feeling like I don't have an immediate straight forward opinion but had an idea how others thought of it and got a hint of what's been most talked about even before I sat in the theater and had time to be prepared mentally for what's going to come. Rare that I do that but this time it helped. I got to say I am on a lot of people's side that think this was probably the weakest of the trilogy , I don't think it's the worst ...honestly I don't think that with any Star Wars movie there's just some that don't affect me more than others and some I have complicated feelings on. I had some very on and off thoughts about this and I think it comes from more of a place thinking that .....as much as I hate to say it but I think it would have been much better if it came out in 2020 the waiting would be excruciating that's for sure but it would have made time for a much more well thought out marketing that didn't end up as weird as it did and suffered 11th hour syndrome. I think the biggest problems to me and I know I'm not alone in this is the obvious pacing, editing I would put them together because it made the movie feel very out of place and didn't take time to slow down. And the biggest beef is arguably the character arcs from mostly everyone there wasn't enough time for them to be fleshed out and had things happen to them that made them stronger as individuals and I'm under the impression that there wasn't enough balance or time for real growth but things just happened right away and with a film that's supposed to be 2 1/2 hours it was more of a chase film within the first hour and a half of things happening and going on and not enough to slow down or take it's time. Quite frankly those were my biggest problems and I know I'm not the only one who thought of that. The movie was still beautiful to look at the visuals and effects and cinematography was on another level and uh you can make a gallery out of it. Seriously. It had it's moments of fun, and I watched some of that in the point of view of a child. I loved all the strange creatures including the horses. As far as Palpatine goes dude was absolutely next level creepy but holy cow was there too much CGI on him ...Thanos looked better than Palpatine here. Thanos looked and felt more menacing by appearance even in his moments of vulnerability where it made you care about him until he goes for the kill again. I think it would have been better if he was just a voice in the air and didn't have to show himself that's why his voice in the previews was so chilling and I would have been OK with that. Now I will very quickly address the elephant in the room .....I always knew Bendemption would happen and it did as did Reylo and it was done in a way that was so poignant sure they got aggressive with one another half way through the film but by mid way by the time we were getting to the finale I couldn't help but get some Dark Crystal vibes [Ironically I was watching the film just the other night] it was reminding a lot like the finale to that film and even parts of the TV series as we speak right now when Ben was holding Rey I can almost hear the words "Hold her to you, for she is part of you, as we all are part of each other" such powerful words and in a way he is inside a part of Rey right now. Because now they are a part of each other , now the galaxy is in a place where even though it's not exactly perfect but I can tell that there is the makings of real balance about to come into play. And to be honest with you by the time the two sun sets on tattoine showed up on screen I thought to myself as I was holding my stuffed porg and whispered to him... "This is not the end, this is really the start of a whole new beginning that can now become whatever it wants and needs to be" and now I understand why Disney really wanted to end this trilogy the way it did because look at what it could become later on and I think we can find ourselves on familiar grounds but it can be made anew somehow someway...as weird as it sounds and that being said Hope to me and I say this loosely but it actually gave me a real sense of hope that there is something more waiting to be told. I only see this film as a vision of JJ's that tried to do what needed to be done but not without risks or controversy. Reylo is definitely end game but Ben Solo to me is somewhere in another part of the galaxy and universe and right now he is waiting to have his story go on through the creativity of the fandom , the fandom in a way is helping this franchise still stand on it's own two feet and it doesn't have to settle with one interpretation we could go on to the next level of creation here and imagination and that's how I want and will see it . Anyway this was long because I only just came out a few hours ago but I came in leaving behind all the drama and distractions and just went with an open mind and let it take me and in my mind I thank the team for doing the absolute best it can but now there's a whole new world for Star Wars that can transform into something even more profound and I think next time around there will be better executions of how the story will go and what the characters will be. Episode 9 was just a lesson on how we can do better going forward but there are still some moments where I have no problem in feeling like I'm 10 years old again. And that's good enough for me. Can't wait to go again soon.
As a fan of the sequel trilogy, this film was really underwhelming. I like Star Wars for it's themes and character dynamics. That's one of the reasons why I loved TLJ.. When I personally was going through a rough year in my med school it taught me that it's okay to fail as long as we learn to get ourselves up. As for character dynamics/relationships I loved Reylo as it felt very nuanced. It did have some moments I didn't enjoy (no movie is perfect). This film was bogged down by its heavy expositions to get the characters to a certain point in the story that you didn't really care about dialogue between characters for their development. Although I teared up when Leia called out for Ben. Left the theatre disappointed but not sad cuz I'm always going to be a SW fan. Thank you for the review, loved your breakdown of Kylo and Luke's duel.
Yeah, “meaningless” seems like the appropriate word. Even if the only thing that was different was Rey and Kylo’s final roles being reversed, it would have been better.
I am disappointed to say that this film did not live up to my expectations. It was not a satisfying ending as they promised it would be. And I basically hated the last 10 minutes of the film. Hoping for an alternative ending.
I liked the film overall. My problem was that a lot of the film just felt rushed and didn't take time to explain the story. My daughter even heard me say "What!?" when he said she was the granddaughter of Palpatine. I guess I voiced that too loud so I am sure others heard it as well if she did 2 seats away. Anyway, most of my problem with the movie was the jumping around quickly. I mean, for example, when Rey returns in the X wing, you see it land, the hatch opens and you see her, then she is almost by BB8 on the ground. They didn't seem to have enough time to show her getting out of the fighter and cut it for run time reducing. There was a ton of that all over the movie. Rey and Ben were my favorite parts of the movie. Next would be the start when they had some good jokes with the group. I didn't hate the film, it was enjoyable enough, just not my favorite and definitely the worst of the sequels to me.
At least kylo achieved his grandfathers legacy, to the knights of REN being similar to the inquisitors, and how he stops the main big bad and dies a heroes death instead of a villains one, he did what his grandfather did similar and I find that poetic and that’s one thing in my opinion they nailed
to each their own, but this may be my favorite Star Wars movie ever. Revenge of the Sith, then rise of Skywalker and so on.
That's rad. Im glad you have a new favorite!
This movie solidified the fact that the sequel trilogy is my favorite.
The only thing I don't like is the granddaughter thing. Because that totally undermines the whole you don't have to be born into a bloodline message. Everything else was alright considering the circumstances. It was not a good film but definitely some good Star Wars. Very cool, fast, fun, right look and feel, good fan service etc. They definitely need to explain Palpatine's return in the novelization. I want some closure. I want to know what's to stop him from just coming back again