*hnuhh* On a serious note though and as an EV/battery engineer the efficiency tells me that the Ioniq 5 isn't a fully optimised product (the first vehicles on a new platform rarely are), and I'd wait for a Gen 2 version.
I would turn that question on its head. Why would you pay a premium price for the Ioniq 5 when it both cold-gates and rapid-gates (see Bjorn Nyland’s Ioniq 5 1000 km challenge)? What is the point of a vehicle that cannot reliably deliver on long journeys?
As an Ioniq owner for last 2 years.. Range efficiency is everything in Scotland. Loved the Ioniq 5 on test but the lease cost per month was more than double the KonaE. EV6 and MachE even more so. Same range. So for us it was a no brainier, £ went with the Kona. Ioniq 5 feels like a big SUV (in a good way). KonaE was the lowest lease cost 250-300 mile EV on market and beats the Ioniq 5. Even cheaper than ID3. Don’t have kids and rear seats barely get used. Look forward to the next gen in a couple of years. Hope they do a big motor base Ioniq for more range as it averages above 4 kw efficiency. I would say dash materials of Ioniq 5 felt cheap compared to our humble Ioniq. The cost of recycling. Ioniq 5 probably the best design on market right now.
I have the 2019 kona and still love it. I did test drive the ionic 5 as well though.... And it's incredible. Would definitely be my next upgrade..... Maybe the ev6....
My only complaint about most electric cars is, how few designers actually value the convenience of a rear wiper. I know they talk about how it streamlines the design with economy in mind, but really, how hard would it be to add a rear wiper just below the rear roof spoiler? I’ve only once experienced a car (courtesy car during a service) without a rear wiper, in the past 20+ years, and it drove me nuts! I hate dirty windows, and not being able to just turn on my rear wiper whenever necessary is an immediate deal breaker, which in turn severely reduces the choice of electric cars. It’s so disappointing!
Kona has 201 hp and 291 lb-ft of torque, with curb weight of 3,715 pounds. The Ioniq 5 has 225 hp / 268 lb-ft of torque, with curb weight of 4,200 pounds. The Kona EV slightly edges out the Ioniq 5 for horsepower, and substantially beats it for torque which makes the Kona EV quite responsive off the line. In stop-n-go city traffic, the Kona EV can easily jet out ahead of ICE cars and establish a commanding lead as long as the driver can modulate front wheel spin, because the Kona EV can break traction on the front tires at virtually any speed if the E-pedal is mashed to the floor quickly. The Kona drives very much like a "hot hatch" and is particularly advantaged when climbing curving mountain roads - with full regen, the driver can shed speed going into tight curves without having to heel-toe the brake, followed by powering out of the curve with unrelenting torque ICE cars can't match. I don't see the Ioniq 5 delivering that sort of feedback driving. With some practice and traction control off, the Kona EV can accelerate to 60mph in a little over 6 seconds, but this is seriously hampered by front wheel slip. After I dumped the factory Nexxen tires, the Kona can be pushed harder without losing grip, and if the car were equipped with traction bars designed to eliminate tail squat and force more weight onto the fronts I believe it could drop into the high 5 second range 0-60. One would THINK that with Tesla setting the bar quite high in terms of EV acceleration, the follow-on companies would follow suit and deliver similar acceleration, but this seems to be something both Hyundai and others have decided to play games with in that they will offer rather paltry acceleration on the "entry level" models, then another level of acceleration for another $10K, then yet ANOTHER level of acceleration for another $10K! I just saw a Ford Mach-e GT on a stealer's website for $65 THOUSAND DOLLARS! Bois and gurls that AIN'T going doin' nuthin' to further EV adoption! Especially considering for all that scratch, the GT can't even run with a Tesla Model 3, OR the Model Y, and isn't even allowed into the same club as the Tesla Model S! The Ioniq 5 is hampered by ho-hum styling, and a puny motor. Obviously one has to pay BIG to get anything close to genuine electric car acceleration...this of course will drive buyers right on over to the Tesla website.
Just bought a (demonstrator) Kona 64kwatt, my second, which tells you what I think of the car. Got to sit in an Ioniq 5 and it does feel more spacious and more classy, but the price difference here (in Italy) is even greater than in the UK, and so it was no contest for me. The Kona has more than enough zip, a really comfortable feel to it, and that brilliant range (I'm told they've squeezed an extra 20 miles out of it through the cunning use of different wheels!). Admittedly it's smaller, but we don't need any more space ourselves. I remain a huge fan, and didn't really see much in this new wave of electric cars to tempt me away.
Hello We have ordered a Kona 64kwatt in Pulse Red and cannot wait to get it. Can I ask, how do they drive in the snow, that’s if you have, that is. ? We have test driven it and was very impressed with it. Really looking forward to getting it. The range, I’m told and reading is very good. Looking at the miles we do and what we spend on fuel, we shall be saving around £1200 a year, so good news all round. Any feed back would be greatly appreciated. Thank you 🙏👍👍
@@ianwebsell6097 I'm sure the car will do you handsomely. I can't say I remember ever driving mine in snow. The earlier Kona was quite liable to wheelspin (though never as bad as some of the reviewers liked to make out), but this later model that I now have doesn't seem quite as likely to, so Hyundai may have done something about that. I did drive our old Nissan Leaf in the snow a couple of times, without much problem. I must admit (reluctantly), that driving in snow might possibly be one of the very rare occasions where an electric car isn't completely superior to an old ICE. As for range, comfort, efficiency and zip, you couldn't do better at the price, for my money. Enjoy!
Similar thoughts.. 4 mos later +how feel about the kona? It's for my son.. He is mostly solo driver.. But bigger guy. He drives a kia soul now thinking this similar on size? Likely very rare to have a back seat rider... So thinking the number will be much better on kona.. But if closer to the ioniq might be worth little more. They don't even sell these in our state so finding one to actually even seeley alone test drive nearly impossible
How is the Kona EV in the snow? Debating between the fwd Kona and rwd Ioniq 5 SEL since it’s about the same with markups. Want to swing for Ioniq AWD but not sure it’s worth it for extra $3000 + less range
Metro Vancouver Kona owner here. I love my 2022 Kona so much. Granted, it's my first EV, but it's unequivocally the best car I've ever owned, hands down (small trunk aside). The first thing we did after buying it was replace the OEM tires with some all-weather (NOT all-seasons) that were designed for EVs. The difference in traction was immediate and noticeable - and when putting our foot down the car is actually able to deliver on its own torque.
I need to be able to reach for tactile buttons while I'm watching the road. I want these buttons to work 100% of the time. I want door handles that don't rely on electricity. I want the door open function to work 100% of the time. I'd pick Kona any day. If you need more space in the back, the Kia Niro has it. I wish car companies wouldn't all copy Tesla's form over function design choices. Why not use EV architecture with intuitive, safer, and more reliable controls? Especially if these companies want to get serious about making EVs mainstream.
I saw an entry level spec ioniq5 the other day and the door handles although flush with door still operated manually. Fancy electric ones maybe an option on pricier models
My wife and I bought a Kona EV back in August. We had the opportunity to see the Ioniq 5 at the dealer. My wife didn't like its appearance. I didn't like its price tag.
I can assure you… the wife DID like the appearance but needs an excuse for not wanting to spend the extra cash. Same goes for you, but at least you are being honest.
4 mos later +how feel about the kona? It's for my son.. He is mostly solo driver.. But bigger guy. He drives a kia soul now thinking this similar on size? Likely very rare to have a back seat rider... So thinking the number will be much better on kona.. But if closer to the ioniq might be worth little more. They don't even sell these in our state so finding one to actually even seeley alone test drive nearly impossible
The comparison I'm keen to see is the newly revamped Niro coming next year vs the Ioniq 5 & EV 6. I'm sure the latter two are better, but the question is *how much* better for the difference in price.
@Richard Wood I think there's a case to be made for cars this size, in that families really can use the space. But it is disappointing that this segment gets the attention /priority and they haven't made a compact car equivalent.
@Richard Wood oh I do for sure wish proper estates/wagons would be the family car type being offered in EV form. No sign of getting anything like that in North America though. That's a whole other topic. (I think Europe has an MG EV estate though?)
Ioniq28 to Kona64 is great upgrade. New Ioniq5 and EV6 are too big, too heavy ruining efficiency and over priced. Old shape 2020 Kona Premium SE for the win as it has a VESS button all new cars don't.
✋ Kona owner right here. Imho don’t think size different that small between them, quite happy with compact dimensions of our car within urban drive and range on long stretches. One key aspect missing in the video, charging curve of Kona, particularly during in winter, does not feel 2022, AT ALL, whereas ioniq 5 has 800V platform.
Another Kona owner here. The Kona is a bit of a compromise to me but overall I decided it's the best price value vehicle for my needs. Funny that you mention the charging curve during winter - the ioniq 5 does have issues here which need to be resolved. Unless you're driving really fast (180km/h) to preheat the batterypack the ioniq5 only draws like 60kW peak until the very end.
The Kona is a bit of a thug. Jack really has a way with words, and I fully agree with his assertion. I've had my Kona for 15 months now and just love it.
Hmm…the ioniq 5 is half a metre longer and it is taller and wider too. That’s quite a lot. Kona was doing 320 miles in summer and currently 240-265. I was easily getting 5miles per kwh and now 4.1.
What I was going to say. Add 400mm+ to that legroom and boot, and... Yeah it's going to feel bigger! I can't fit the 5 in my garage. I can fit the Kona 😉
To me these two cars are built to suite different types of customer. The Kona is smaller, cheaper and has a good range. It is a bit like an EV version of the Ford Focus - a decent all-rounder of a car that will get you where you need to be with minimal fuss. The Ioniq is larger and more stylish (possibly more akin to the Ford Mondeo) as it is a large family sized car that will get you there with greater comfort but at a greater cost. I could see someone like me going for the Kona as someone who does fast food deliveries. The lower cost, smaller size (making finding parking spaces easier) while having a decent range makes these good for someone like me, especially as I don't generally have passengers. The Ioniq would probably better suite a family man or a company rep who sometimes has to provide transport to colleagues.
@@stephanhellmuth8083No, you can't drive it through puddles or in the rain, as the battery isn't waterproof. It doesn't have a spare wheel or jack, so you will be stranded and have to abandon the car and walk if you have a puncture. Citroen are much better cars and a lot more reliable. The range of the Citroen is about double the Hyundai's.
HMG do tend to compete against themselves, the product positioning is a challenge. I say that as having owned an e-Niro since March 2019 and had a good look over the Ioniq 5 I still think the Niro is the right size for our needs. I looked at the Kona but the back seat room was cramped and the boot noticeably smaller than the e-Niro. I have had over 6 foot people who tell me the e-Niro has plenty of leg and headroom in the back. More space is always better says Jack, well not if you’re negotiating some of the very narrow roads in European cities. It’s a difficult one but it will be interesting to see how HMG use the EGMP platform in sub Ioniq 5/EV6 sized cars.
I have a 2021 Kona and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned. It has great range, excellent engineering and tech, and looks decent enough (and let’s face it, it was never intended to turn heads). That said, I’m seriously jonesing for the Ioniq 5, mostly because of its design and the incredible charging speed (infrastructure allowing). But fact is, I’m sticking with my Kona for all the sensible reasons I bought it in the first place. At least for now…
Thank you for the nice video! I wish the presenter would use kilometer. It's a real bummer having to do calculations to SI units oneself as those are what 99% of countries worldwide use. At least they should be displayed. Especially miles per kWh is quite hard to understand if one is used to kWh/km oder kWh/100km. Thanks and keep up the great work!
I’m British but at 48 years old grew up well after Imperial units were replaced with metric, how old do I have to be before the media start using metric??
The UK, Australia and USA use miles. It is a British video and he is speaking English so of course he uses miles. Not hard to do the conversion, or go watch a French video.
I have the 2021 Kona ev. I had to decide between it and the Ioniq 5 back in the summer when I ordered a new ev. At the time the 5 was still an unknown in terms of delivery and price. The Kona was a fully known and I could take immediate delivery. Although I am the first to admit the Kona is much nicer looking I’m very happy with the Kona. It’s comfortable, very efficient ( average 475 klms per charge, 7.5 klm/kWh) and very easy to park and drive. I’m a senior lady who very seldom has anyone else in the car so it has plenty of room for me and my stuff. And it’s very zippy 😁
I'm on the Kona N and will probably switch it for the ev later on. Two big bummers for me are the horrid turn radius and the reflector LED headlights that aren't that great. I wish it used an LED projector, I could at least upgrade them somewhat easily if they weren't good.
I had the original Ioniq hybrid, which had a really low drag coefficient, so why can't Hyundai design a similar pure EV. Big cars with high drag just waste expensive energy!
Please use the standard efficiency units! Or at least say both of them? 2 miles per kWh/ 256 Wh per kilometer. It will greatly improve the range of your public (as in the whole metric world ;)
Just taken delivery of a Kona today. For me, the Ioniq 5 is a bit too big, and not everyone needs a huge amount of boot or other space. The Kona's boot is quite a bit bigger than that of the Suzuki Swift I traded-in...
First thing I did with my Kona EV back in 2019 was take out the weird soundproofing / spacefilling foam that takes up 1/2 the boot. I kept it, assuming I'd put it back after the heavily-loaded summer cottage trips. But no, I never really wanted it again. :)
Very important to some people, and totally irrelevant to others! Agree it should have been mentioned. Kona EV: 74 kW max DC fast charge vs. Ionic 5 ~220 kW max DC fast charge. Lets keep in mind that most people do 90-99% of their charging much slower (and cheaper!) than a DCFC.
I really wanted the Ioniq 5 for the longest time, but recently learned about the Kona and Im highly preferring it to the Ioniq. Its mostly due to the fact that this would be my first car purchase so I want it to be more on the affordable side. Ioniq 5 is cool, but the price is a lot. Kona is cheaper and not a lot of electric cars offer the same tech specs as the kona at its price point. I think i will go with the Kona as my first car and EV purchase! :D
I loved the design of the Ioniq 5 but it’s way to large for my needs, I love the kona size but the design in and out leaves me cold and the ice underpinning very disappointing, I’ve read that Hyundai are fast forwarding the next model releases with an Ioniq 3 or 4 due in 2023, if it’s an Ioniq 5 styled Kona sized car on a dedicated EV platform with fast charging I’d be very interested in replacing my Ford Focus then.
It's a pity Jack can't get it into his head that one car is much bigger than the other. He even says that one is 300mm longer at one point(wrong) but doesn't seem to realise that THAT could be the reason for one having a bigger boot capacity and more leg room in the back than the other...
The ionic 5 would be amazing if it be the size of the 80’s hot hatches it tries to emulate. I loved it till I saw it in real life - it simply makes no sense that car makers go bigger with EV’s just like they do with ICE. Whatever they are doing it’s certainly not how a sustainable future would look like.
The Kona's ICE underpinning was about Hyundai being cautious, but the Kona was originally designed to have an EV version, as shown by the fact that the e-Kona body is a few centimetres higher than ICE versions, providing space for the batteries. Probably the right move at the time, and the resultant sales of this gen-2 EV have allowed for the development of the gen-3 Ioniq 5.
What's surprising to me is the ground up EV is bested by the compromised ICE platform when it comes to efficiency. The ioniq 5 doesn't deserve the name. My Ioniq 38kwh has averaged 4.7 miles per kw over the last 22 months.
Totally different cars! A barge or a small hatch. An efficient low impact car or inefficient bus? Fiesta or Granada? EVs are not unpolluting, the tyre, disc, dust etc, those PM2.5-10s are worse with these bigger less efficient models. Brilliant rapid charging on the Ioniq on all of those super chargers that don’t exist. Wish they’d just put a 64kWh battery in the original Ioniq to be honest. Longest range Hyundai……. is still the Kona! And I’ve been in all of them as I’m looking to replace our 38 Ioniq, I wanted to like the I5 but it’s just too vast.
The Ionic 5 is very futuristic in appearance, but my being a 73 year old ex sports car racer, I would opt for the Kona with analog gauges, greater range and somewhat less civilized. Still, a very good comparison Jack. Thanks!
Interesting to see your thoughts on the pair Jack. We used our Kona to holiday deep into France late this summer. Returning from South of Geneva, we got home n one hit on the autoroute, c. 800 miles, using IONITY chargers. Each comfort stop was about 25 mins or so. I had a P45 Ioniq on order, and test drove an Ioniq 5 (4 x drive). It’s lack of efficiency meant the continental trip would not have worked, b cause you couldn’t have hit the IONITY or any other HPC’s to get back in a day. My daughter took the P45 because she could live with the lack of range. Efficiency is King. PS want a bigger boot? Just take the polystyrene and rubbish out of the Kona and you have something that works far better.
@@greengecko1876 Another Kona! One part of the trip was especially impressive. We overnighted in Chamonix and then drove down to ours, a drive of just over 200 miles. Now I'll admit that overall it's downhill from the Alps to the sea, and I was taking it easy - 65mph. But the car was heavily laden and I arrived with 100 miles still on the clock. I was seriously impressed. I live in Italy now and had to change the car because of Brexit. There was a great opportunity for a demonstrator Kona with only about 1500 miles on the clock and a vast discount compared to new, so I jumped at that. It's supposed to have an extra 20 miles of range thanks to a change of wheels, but apart from some cosmetic stuff (front nose) it isn't vastly different. The dashboard is revamped but I wouldn't call it better. just different! I'd have no hesitation in making the trip to the UK in it. Ionity are only expanding.
@@davidhamishwill367 great to hear. I am always surprised with what you can get in the Kona, after the mods I made removing the polystyrene in the boot. Record is a trip to IKEA, 1 flat pack set of bunk beds, with a 2m x2m set of shelving plus a large easy chair (high backed) with other bits a pieces. Cycles and other luggage, no problem. We have a e-Niro as well, which I am am considering changing for a Model Y, but I’m not sure.
@@greengecko1876 It's interesting that you also have the Eniro. So leaving aside the issue of space (which doesn't matter to us) how would you compare it with the Kona in terms of zip, range and comfort/convenience at the wheel? TESLA: When I was looking at the Kona the other shortlisted car was a recent secondhand TESLA 3 long range. IN the end it came down to an extra 80 miles of range (real world) for between 10-15,000 euros more - for me it wasn't worth it.
When I was buying my 3rd BEV 2 years ago I looked at the Kona, one glance at the lack of space in the rear instantly convinced me to buy a Renault Zoe. I'm now on my 2nd Zoe. Bjorn Nyland's banana box test shows the Zoe has more room inside.
More evidence as to just how advanced Tesla is. 2.7 vs. 4+ miles per kWh is just embarrassing for a company with Hyundai’s engineering prowess. I am still astonished that all of these large car companies have had a decade now to study and copy Tesla yet can’t even come close to matching Tesla performance.
2 years later -- my dog said eihh (woof ) & just bought < 20K miles , 300 mile range Kona for £17K , UK main dealer price ! thank you the law of depreciation. great Video🐕
Fundamentally, I look at it this way. The Kona/e-Niro is a smaller car, the Ioniq 5/EV6 is a larger car. Hyundai/Kia have doubled down on this, using the Ioniq 5/EV6 as their flagship EV model (at least until the Ioniq 6 and Ioniq 7/EV9 come out) while the Kona/e-Niro is a less glamourous, more utilitarian car. I lament that all the best electric technology is going into 'flagship' models, and modestly-sized, modestly-priced but still competently-equipped vehicles are dropping off the electric menu (I am so glad the Vauxhall Corsa-e/Peugeot e-208 is still a thing), but I hope SK ON's work on LFP batteries will push Hyundai/Kia to develop a dedicated platform for lower-spec vehicles, like the VW MEB-entry platform or the RNM CMF-BEV. Until then, the Kona/e-Niro is smaller and more affordable, the Ioniq 5/EV6 is larger and more premium. And I suspect the Kona/e-Niro will have more market traction...
I loved the Kona EV when I test drove it. I liked the Ioniq 5 but not as much to drive. But the Kona boot is ridiculously tiny! If it had the movable back seats like the Ioniq 5 to create extra boot space I would have gone for the Kona. But your review of thd Kona back seats maybe demonstrated the reason Kona dont have this feature 😅😂 I need to put a wheelchair in the boot abc would need to fold two seats, with zero space left. I've held off as I couldn't afford the I5 but now the used ones have come down in price. Looking for a used I5 with a battery conditioning option, which isn't standard until 23 edits. Disability access wise the electric tail gate is neat but that button really shouldn't be at standing height 🤦🏻♀️
I love the Ioniq but it is really bigger than what I need. The Kona is smaller than what I need. I am hoping for an Ioniq 4 or 3. Something a bit smaller and just as funky.
This may well be the first time that a Fully Charged video almost felt like a run-of-the-mill car review waffle aimed at making any car on "review" look good. I mean, with all due respect, suggesting one should buy a larger car (about 300 kg difference, as far as I understand), if one can afford it, just because it's nicer, is not what FC is about. However, it is exactly what pretty much every single car channel out there is about :/ It's what most of car buyers are about. That''s why we are getting these countless "SUV"s and a car like Kona is now openly called "small" or "sub-compact", which is insane. Who cares if this is an EV? It's still large and energy inefficient. With that said, of course, if you have a family of five and are dragging them with you wherever you go, Ioniq 5 is a no brainer. However, just imho, driving something like this daily and alone in the city is not much better in terms of sustainability than driving a small five year old diesel.
Happy to be driving my 3 year old 72000 mile kona. Nothing has gone wrong, and plenty of space for 1 or 2 people including big ebike and camping kit. So reliable, low running costs, and lots of buttons. For me the enyak will probably be the next choice having faster charging, and towing ability. Who know if the ioniq4 will fit the bill?
@@chargingabout enyaq more efficient than the others? They are all big heavy cars and rarely does anyone consistently need all the space. Hopefully the new Niro will have a better charging speeds, might be a sweet spot of space vs efficiency
Apparently I'm in a minority, and while I'm dying for car companies to come up with something new in terms of design, I really think the Ionic 5 is such an ugly car it makes it hard to imagine ever wanting to drive or own one regardless of specifications. Ick.
Nice review, as somebody who has had both the first generation Kona electric and now the current version have top say Hyundai have a winner here. The Ionic is just too big for everyday use by a one passenger occupancy and what a range I get 300 miles per charge without too many problems
Just ordered the IONIQ5 premium. Test drive the Tesla 3 and was disappointedly underwhelmed. Speed was amazing, everything else really average. I’m an 80’s child and so had to get the IONIQ5 because that’s what future cars looked like in my dreams
just curious, is the other (original) ioniq EV still a thing or has that been retired now? by all acounts that was also an efficiency expert too albeit with a smaller battery.
Neither would be right for me... both well out of my price range. EVs 'for the masses' won't take off in the UK unless/until manufacturers stop gouging the potential savings on fuel cost back from the customer via the retail price of EVs.
It's a bit like asking why do you need a Kia Niro and a Kia EV6, actually it is exactly the same question! lol Are you a travelling salesman or a school taxi driver. I personally am the latter, so it's the Kona (or similar clone electric SUV) for me.
Very interesting comparison. That efficency is terrible on the Ioniq5 though. I get 4.5 out of my old Kia Soul and find it hard to believe that 5 years later efficency has dropped, because the Soul is hardly aerodynamic!
Size strikes me as the most significant issue. For many, especially city dwellers, the Ioniq 5 is perhaps more car than they want. It would be nice to see a Kona-sized vehicle on an EV platform. Like almost everyone I was a huge fan of the Ioniq 5's design when it first appeared - 'what the ID4 should have looked like!'. I still haven't seen one in the flesh, but I sometimes think that it would be a great design for a car the size of the Golf, but that for a large car perhaps it doesn't work so well? Looking forward to actually seeing one.
You moan about the Kona having less room in the back and blame it on the fact that it's based on an ICE platform. Do you not think that the fact the Ioniq 5 being 4635mm long vs the Kona's 4205mm might have something to do with it??? OOH, the Ioniq has more boot space... The car that's NEARLY 17 INCHES LONGER! Who'd 'ave thunk...
The boot on the Kona in North America has a feature where the floor can be reset (easily. One handed) lowering it 4-5 inches. This feature would probably have solved your demo on the bags transfer. It lowers the floor if the rear seat is up- raise it and you have a nearly flat floor with the rear seat folded down.
Somehow, in Canada, the Kona EV and the Ionic 5 are just $1000 difference ($43,899 vs $44,999) for the base model. If the Kona were $7,000 less I would jump at it.
My wife and I wanted to get on the list to buy an Ioniq, but they are booked for 3 years here in Victoria Canada! But a 2019 Kona was available, so we bought it instead.
I do think the Ionic 5 is a very nicely designed car, but... I can't help but feel that moderns cars that are not as aerodynamically efficient as possible arew doing something wrong. Big fan of the Cw 0,2 Mercedes EQS and the 0,13 Aptera. That aerodynamics together with low weight is the best way to wastly improve efficency is not a new thing - Edmund Rumpler, Wunibald Kamm and Paul Jaray found out about that 100 years ago and still cars tend to look like bricks... sigh,..
I remember I saw Ioniq5 recently in supermarket parking lot 2 weeks ago in Germany. I was walking by and suddenly thought oh wow what’s that! Sharp lines huge hugeeee car and then it hit me…. That’s ioniq5 and looks the same as a concept :O. I’m used to seeing Teslas and I love them but this really grabbed my attention.
I love 99% about the Ioniq 5, but its inefficiency marks it down to a "not recommended" for me. The worst part about it is that it's the technical platform for many models to come that similarly will be very inefficient.
yeah the fast charging speeds dont matter that much when A - you get cold gated and cant achieve them and B - waste that advantage in inefficiency over the journey
Interesting comparison. There is definitely a need for smaller a smaller ev especially for in city use. Personally I own a Niro EV while I wait for my EV6, which I chose over the Kona simply because of more space in the back. I've taken all 4 of us on a 350km road trip in comfort.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. As you mentioned, weight & efficiency is very disappointing. I was very excited when the Kona EV was introduced with a 64kWh battery, 162 Wh/km and 395km real range. It was a very good option at that time. The new Ioniq 5 has ~73kWh: 2WD: 189 Wh/km, 385 km AWD: 194 Wh/km, 375 km How can this be exciting? I hope Megane e-tech EV60 will be a better option. If not priced competitively, Tesla 3 will be a clear winner for me.
Agree, for my taste the range of Ioniq 5 is just not good enough for traveling around Europe to this date. Just saw test drive with Megane, seem to be same issue, highway test reported 25kWh/100 km, i.e. 240 km range 😭
One thing to note, the long range Ioniq and the 4wd version can tow up to 1,600 kg braked trailer. The standard car is restricted to 750 kg. That's a medium sized caravan or pretty reasonable boat. Range will nearly halve though. Very few BEV car reviews consider towing capacity. Pity the Ioniq is so relatively inefficient.
I sat and drove an Ioniq 5, it just feels strange, powerful and smooth but as a driver, it feels like a living room, roomy but doesn't fit around the driver, feels scattered around...
I'm sure Hyundai Ioniq 5 is a great car, but if it wasn't that butt U-G-L-Y! I rather buy KIA EV6 or a Hyundai Tucson for that matter. The Hyundai Ioniq 5 looks like a 1980s Hyundai Pony built with LEGO.
We love our KONA, but agree, the "stock" tires that come with the KONA are noisy ... we swapped them out for some Pirelli tires and it was night a day difference in road noise and handling. Visually I still prefer the looks of the KONA, but the little extra roomy "feel" in Ioniq 5 sounds tempting. You had the KONA passenger front seat all the way back when you climbed in ... it's not that small back there.
Regarding seat position - for both cars, he was showing what it was like to sit behind himself... he's a tall / lanky fella, which means in smaller cars the driving seat will be all the way back - and that in turn will emphasise the lack of rear seat space / overall interior space.
You have done a great job comparing these two vehicles and it still makes it a tough choice for me based on how inefficient the Ioniq5 is. It's unfair to compare it to a model 3 though given the distinct lack of headroom in the rear seats of the model 3 and yet the model y is considerably more expensive and seems to be less comfortable due to stiff suspension. Decisions, decisions!!
I test drove the Ionic 5 a few weeks ago. Ultimately we decided not to order and my teenage son advised me to stick with my five year old A6 Avant! Two main reasons - 1) the front interior is nice enough, but in the back it is super basic and all brittle hard plastic, 2) the rear headroom, whilst clearly plenty enough for Jack in the video, was insufficient for my 6ft 2in son - who easily sits for a couple of hours in the back of the Audi. The outlaws have a Kona and love it. Certainly they are also seeing the massive range in their day to day driving.
I loved Jack's Dodgy Second-hand Car Dealer jacket! Would I buy a car from him? Probably not :) Back when those jackets were last fashionable, and equivalent review would have been pitting a Ford Escort against a thirsty large Granada.
This is possibly the best car review/comparison I have found. You did not bash either car or endlessly praise them as others do. You told us the clear differences and the basic facts as few others do. Basically, someone wanting an EV to drive the family and needs the space and wants the refinements get the Ionic 5. If you don't need the space or refinements, basically looking for a basic commute car to work, buy the Kona EV. BUT, if you are looking for a fun-to-drive car, buy something else. This is the first time I have found your channel. I am subscribing and hope your other videos are as good.
Similar size?? Are you kidding me? The Ionic 5 is more than half a metre bigger.
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Apart from leg/boot space and quality of materials, there is nothing wrong that could be put against the Kona. In fact, IMHO, that (not so) little car is potentially the best value for your money on planet Earth today. It is extremely fun to drive, it has massive range, and if you actually set the seat more to a go-cart position (where it is supposed to be), the legroom is okay in the back (180cm+ talking here). I'm waiting currently for my order to switch from an ICE Ford Focus estate (biased a bit). :) As for the Ioniq 5, it is an amazing car, great value for the money, very premium and spaceship-like. A really good value for the money, except there is a Skoda Enyaq iV that exists for the same money. Realistically the Ioniq 5 should be compared to the Enyaq iV. Hyundai should keep refining Kona as it really doesn't even have competition (with the exception of Kia E-Niro, which is the same brand), while Ioniq 5 is entering a competition where Hyundai have never been. It could turn out to be a success no doubt, but they (Hyundai) already have a car that is just bloody good for most people.
Is there still a place for the Kona in an Ioniq world? Tell us what you think below..
hope so ive just ordered one lol
*hnuhh*
On a serious note though and as an EV/battery engineer the efficiency tells me that the Ioniq 5 isn't a fully optimised product (the first vehicles on a new platform rarely are), and I'd wait for a Gen 2 version.
I would turn that question on its head. Why would you pay a premium price for the Ioniq 5 when it both cold-gates and rapid-gates (see Bjorn Nyland’s Ioniq 5 1000 km challenge)? What is the point of a vehicle that cannot reliably deliver on long journeys?
I think so I love the Blue thug, and I am so impressed with Hyundai and Kia. And. More to Come there unstoppable
Did anyone want the model T when Ford rolled out the V8 model A?
My brain says Kona, my heart says ioniq 5 and my bank account says I can't afford neither
With a 2 or 3 year old Kona coming in at about £13k...
As an Ioniq owner for last 2 years.. Range efficiency is everything in Scotland. Loved the Ioniq 5 on test but the lease cost per month was more than double the KonaE. EV6 and MachE even more so. Same range. So for us it was a no brainier, £ went with the Kona. Ioniq 5 feels like a big SUV (in a good way). KonaE was the lowest lease cost 250-300 mile EV on market and beats the Ioniq 5. Even cheaper than ID3. Don’t have kids and rear seats barely get used. Look forward to the next gen in a couple of years. Hope they do a big motor base Ioniq for more range as it averages above 4 kw efficiency. I would say dash materials of Ioniq 5 felt cheap compared to our humble Ioniq. The cost of recycling. Ioniq 5 probably the best design on market right now.
Nice car coat Jack! Liked the revue as well.
I have the 2019 kona and still love it. I did test drive the ionic 5 as well though.... And it's incredible. Would definitely be my next upgrade..... Maybe the ev6....
My only complaint about most electric cars is, how few designers actually value the convenience of a rear wiper. I know they talk about how it streamlines the design with economy in mind, but really, how hard would it be to add a rear wiper just below the rear roof spoiler? I’ve only once experienced a car (courtesy car during a service) without a rear wiper, in the past 20+ years, and it drove me nuts! I hate dirty windows, and not being able to just turn on my rear wiper whenever necessary is an immediate deal breaker, which in turn severely reduces the choice of electric cars. It’s so disappointing!
Kona has 201 hp and 291 lb-ft of torque, with curb weight of 3,715 pounds. The Ioniq 5 has 225 hp / 268 lb-ft of torque, with curb weight of 4,200 pounds. The Kona EV slightly edges out the Ioniq 5 for horsepower, and substantially beats it for torque which makes the Kona EV quite responsive off the line. In stop-n-go city traffic, the Kona EV can easily jet out ahead of ICE cars and establish a commanding lead as long as the driver can modulate front wheel spin, because the Kona EV can break traction on the front tires at virtually any speed if the E-pedal is mashed to the floor quickly. The Kona drives very much like a "hot hatch" and is particularly advantaged when climbing curving mountain roads - with full regen, the driver can shed speed going into tight curves without having to heel-toe the brake, followed by powering out of the curve with unrelenting torque ICE cars can't match. I don't see the Ioniq 5 delivering that sort of feedback driving. With some practice and traction control off, the Kona EV can accelerate to 60mph in a little over 6 seconds, but this is seriously hampered by front wheel slip. After I dumped the factory Nexxen tires, the Kona can be pushed harder without losing grip, and if the car were equipped with traction bars designed to eliminate tail squat and force more weight onto the fronts I believe it could drop into the high 5 second range 0-60.
One would THINK that with Tesla setting the bar quite high in terms of EV acceleration, the follow-on companies would follow suit and deliver similar acceleration, but this seems to be something both Hyundai and others have decided to play games with in that they will offer rather paltry acceleration on the "entry level" models, then another level of acceleration for another $10K, then yet ANOTHER level of acceleration for another $10K! I just saw a Ford Mach-e GT on a stealer's website for $65 THOUSAND DOLLARS! Bois and gurls that AIN'T going doin' nuthin' to further EV adoption! Especially considering for all that scratch, the GT can't even run with a Tesla Model 3, OR the Model Y, and isn't even allowed into the same club as the Tesla Model S!
The Ioniq 5 is hampered by ho-hum styling, and a puny motor. Obviously one has to pay BIG to get anything close to genuine electric car acceleration...this of course will drive buyers right on over to the Tesla website.
how do the 2wheel-drive vs 4wheel versions perform in snow?
Good comparison
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Just in terms of exterior size I used to the think the Kona was big but the Inoq 5 is massive, is it even in the same segment of car size wise..
Just bought a (demonstrator) Kona 64kwatt, my second, which tells you what I think of the car. Got to sit in an Ioniq 5 and it does feel more spacious and more classy, but the price difference here (in Italy) is even greater than in the UK, and so it was no contest for me. The Kona has more than enough zip, a really comfortable feel to it, and that brilliant range (I'm told they've squeezed an extra 20 miles out of it through the cunning use of different wheels!). Admittedly it's smaller, but we don't need any more space ourselves. I remain a huge fan, and didn't really see much in this new wave of electric cars to tempt me away.
The range and efficiency of the Kona is ridiculous. Enjoy!
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We have ordered a Kona 64kwatt in Pulse Red and cannot wait to get it. Can I ask, how do they drive in the snow, that’s if you have, that is. ?
We have test driven it and was very impressed with it. Really looking forward to getting it. The range, I’m told and reading is very good. Looking at the miles we do and what we spend on fuel, we shall be saving around £1200 a year, so good news all round.
Any feed back would be greatly appreciated. Thank you 🙏👍👍
@@ianwebsell6097 I'm sure the car will do you handsomely. I can't say I remember ever driving mine in snow. The earlier Kona was quite liable to wheelspin (though never as bad as some of the reviewers liked to make out), but this later model that I now have doesn't seem quite as likely to, so Hyundai may have done something about that. I did drive our old Nissan Leaf in the snow a couple of times, without much problem. I must admit (reluctantly), that driving in snow might possibly be one of the very rare occasions where an electric car isn't completely superior to an old ICE.
As for range, comfort, efficiency and zip, you couldn't do better at the price, for my money. Enjoy!
Similar thoughts..
4 mos later +how feel about the kona? It's for my son.. He is mostly solo driver.. But bigger guy. He drives a kia soul now thinking this similar on size? Likely very rare to have a back seat rider... So thinking the number will be much better on kona.. But if closer to the ioniq might be worth little more. They don't even sell these in our state so finding one to actually even seeley alone test drive nearly impossible
After two and half years with my Kona in northern Québec's varying climate, I can say unequivocally I love it.
Which model year is your car?
Good to know. I'm in northern Ontario, so your comment is relatable to me
How is the Kona EV in the snow? Debating between the fwd Kona and rwd Ioniq 5 SEL since it’s about the same with markups. Want to swing for Ioniq AWD but not sure it’s worth it for extra $3000 + less range
Metro Vancouver Kona owner here. I love my 2022 Kona so much. Granted, it's my first EV, but it's unequivocally the best car I've ever owned, hands down (small trunk aside).
The first thing we did after buying it was replace the OEM tires with some all-weather (NOT all-seasons) that were designed for EVs. The difference in traction was immediate and noticeable - and when putting our foot down the car is actually able to deliver on its own torque.
I'd take the Kona. The Ioniq is too big and almost 25% more expensive. Kona has great range, looks nice enough and is a great car.
1k oe 2% difference in Canada, no contest
I need to be able to reach for tactile buttons while I'm watching the road. I want these buttons to work 100% of the time. I want door handles that don't rely on electricity. I want the door open function to work 100% of the time. I'd pick Kona any day. If you need more space in the back, the Kia Niro has it.
I wish car companies wouldn't all copy Tesla's form over function design choices. Why not use EV architecture with intuitive, safer, and more reliable controls? Especially if these companies want to get serious about making EVs mainstream.
Too true!
Even when your gas struts holding the boot lid open fail you can still use it.
Try using it when the motor has failed...
I saw an entry level spec ioniq5 the other day and the door handles although flush with door still operated manually. Fancy electric ones maybe an option on pricier models
I will still look forward to my Ioniq 5 red when it arrives:)
My wife and I bought a Kona EV back in August. We had the opportunity to see the Ioniq 5 at the dealer. My wife didn't like its appearance. I didn't like its price tag.
ummmmm ok
Good reasons!
I can assure you… the wife DID like the appearance but needs an excuse for not wanting to spend the extra cash. Same goes for you, but at least you are being honest.
4 mos later +how feel about the kona? It's for my son.. He is mostly solo driver.. But bigger guy. He drives a kia soul now thinking this similar on size? Likely very rare to have a back seat rider... So thinking the number will be much better on kona.. But if closer to the ioniq might be worth little more. They don't even sell these in our state so finding one to actually even seeley alone test drive nearly impossible
@@jimradcliff9350 we are loving the car! But it's not very spacious inside, I'm not a big guy and it feels a little "claustrophobic" sometimes.
Huh!
Actually, this is a really enjoyable video review for those considering their first EV. Go for it!
The comparison I'm keen to see is the newly revamped Niro coming next year vs the Ioniq 5 & EV 6. I'm sure the latter two are better, but the question is *how much* better for the difference in price.
@Richard Wood I think there's a case to be made for cars this size, in that families really can use the space. But it is disappointing that this segment gets the attention /priority and they haven't made a compact car equivalent.
@Richard Wood oh I do for sure wish proper estates/wagons would be the family car type being offered in EV form. No sign of getting anything like that in North America though. That's a whole other topic. (I think Europe has an MG EV estate though?)
Kia eNiro has a bigger boot and does 4 miles/kWh very often - let's compare that too!
@@Hyfly13 and apparently the revamped one next year is a bit longer - but I don't know if any of that added length got added to the boot.
I wonder if Hyundai will come up with a similarly revamped Kona? Anyone know anything?
Ioniq28 to Kona64 is great upgrade. New Ioniq5 and EV6 are too big, too heavy ruining efficiency and over priced. Old shape 2020 Kona Premium SE for the win as it has a VESS button all new cars don't.
✋ Kona owner right here. Imho don’t think size different that small between them, quite happy with compact dimensions of our car within urban drive and range on long stretches.
One key aspect missing in the video, charging curve of Kona, particularly during in winter, does not feel 2022, AT ALL, whereas ioniq 5 has 800V platform.
Another Kona owner here. The Kona is a bit of a compromise to me but overall I decided it's the best price value vehicle for my needs. Funny that you mention the charging curve during winter - the ioniq 5 does have issues here which need to be resolved. Unless you're driving really fast (180km/h) to preheat the batterypack the ioniq5 only draws like 60kW peak until the very end.
The Kona is a bit of a thug. Jack really has a way with words, and I fully agree with his assertion. I've had my Kona for 15 months now and just love it.
Hmm…the ioniq 5 is half a metre longer and it is taller and wider too. That’s quite a lot.
Kona was doing 320 miles in summer and currently 240-265. I was easily getting 5miles per kwh and now 4.1.
What I was going to say. Add 400mm+ to that legroom and boot, and... Yeah it's going to feel bigger! I can't fit the 5 in my garage. I can fit the Kona 😉
Similar in size? Dude, the Ionic is way bigger than the Kona.
To me these two cars are built to suite different types of customer. The Kona is smaller, cheaper and has a good range. It is a bit like an EV version of the Ford Focus - a decent all-rounder of a car that will get you where you need to be with minimal fuss. The Ioniq is larger and more stylish (possibly more akin to the Ford Mondeo) as it is a large family sized car that will get you there with greater comfort but at a greater cost. I could see someone like me going for the Kona as someone who does fast food deliveries. The lower cost, smaller size (making finding parking spaces easier) while having a decent range makes these good for someone like me, especially as I don't generally have passengers. The Ioniq would probably better suite a family man or a company rep who sometimes has to provide transport to colleagues.
Can they drive through puddles?
Do they have a spare wheel.
How does it compare to the ec3,( citreon)?
@@stephanhellmuth8083No, you can't drive it through puddles or in the rain, as the battery isn't waterproof. It doesn't have a spare wheel or jack, so you will be stranded and have to abandon the car and walk if you have a puncture. Citroen are much better cars and a lot more reliable. The range of the Citroen is about double the Hyundai's.
HMG do tend to compete against themselves, the product positioning is a challenge. I say that as having owned an e-Niro since March 2019 and had a good look over the Ioniq 5 I still think the Niro is the right size for our needs. I looked at the Kona but the back seat room was cramped and the boot noticeably smaller than the e-Niro. I have had over 6 foot people who tell me the e-Niro has plenty of leg and headroom in the back. More space is always better says Jack, well not if you’re negotiating some of the very narrow roads in European cities. It’s a difficult one but it will be interesting to see how HMG use the EGMP platform in sub Ioniq 5/EV6 sized cars.
I have a 2021 Kona and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned. It has great range, excellent engineering and tech, and looks decent enough (and let’s face it, it was never intended to turn heads). That said, I’m seriously jonesing for the Ioniq 5, mostly because of its design and the incredible charging speed (infrastructure allowing). But fact is, I’m sticking with my Kona for all the sensible reasons I bought it in the first place. At least for now…
Thank you for the nice video! I wish the presenter would use kilometer. It's a real bummer having to do calculations to SI units oneself as those are what 99% of countries worldwide use. At least they should be displayed. Especially miles per kWh is quite hard to understand if one is used to kWh/km oder kWh/100km. Thanks and keep up the great work!
I’m British but at 48 years old grew up well after Imperial units were replaced with metric, how old do I have to be before the media start using metric??
The UK, Australia and USA use miles. It is a British video and he is speaking English so of course he uses miles. Not hard to do the conversion, or go watch a French video.
Entropy , sorry to disappoint mate but Oz has been metric for ages.
@@gabechiplin8140 Your right, was my assumption and I should have checked. USA and UK so my comment stands.
@@davidvestey6014 if you live in the UK , forget it .....!!
Anyhow, what's the big deal - a kilometer is 5/8 of a mile - work it out.... !!
I have the 2021 Kona ev. I had to decide between it and the Ioniq 5 back in the summer when I ordered a new ev.
At the time the 5 was still an unknown in terms of delivery and price. The Kona was a fully known and I could take immediate delivery.
Although I am the first to admit the Kona is much nicer looking I’m very happy with the Kona.
It’s comfortable, very efficient ( average 475 klms per charge, 7.5 klm/kWh) and very easy to park and drive.
I’m a senior lady who very seldom has anyone else in the car so it has plenty of room for me and my stuff.
And it’s very zippy 😁
I'm on the Kona N and will probably switch it for the ev later on. Two big bummers for me are the horrid turn radius and the reflector LED headlights that aren't that great. I wish it used an LED projector, I could at least upgrade them somewhat easily if they weren't good.
Great to see a bit of love for the Kona again. Great comparison and useful if you are trying to choose a Hyundai EV.
I had the original Ioniq hybrid, which had a really low drag coefficient, so why can't Hyundai design a similar pure EV. Big cars with high drag just waste expensive energy!
Hueh! 👐
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Please use the standard efficiency units! Or at least say both of them? 2 miles per kWh/ 256 Wh per kilometer. It will greatly improve the range of your public (as in the whole metric world ;)
Just taken delivery of a Kona today. For me, the Ioniq 5 is a bit too big, and not everyone needs a huge amount of boot or other space. The Kona's boot is quite a bit bigger than that of the Suzuki Swift I traded-in...
First thing I did with my Kona EV back in 2019 was take out the weird soundproofing / spacefilling foam that takes up 1/2 the boot. I kept it, assuming I'd put it back after the heavily-loaded summer cottage trips. But no, I never really wanted it again. :)
You didn't mention charging speed, probably one of the most important factors. Or bi directional charging /v2l which is super cool.
Very important to some people, and totally irrelevant to others!
Agree it should have been mentioned. Kona EV: 74 kW max DC fast charge vs. Ionic 5 ~220 kW max DC fast charge. Lets keep in mind that most people do 90-99% of their charging much slower (and cheaper!) than a DCFC.
Yes, if you talk range then charging is very important.
I really wanted the Ioniq 5 for the longest time, but recently learned about the Kona and Im highly preferring it to the Ioniq. Its mostly due to the fact that this would be my first car purchase so I want it to be more on the affordable side. Ioniq 5 is cool, but the price is a lot. Kona is cheaper and not a lot of electric cars offer the same tech specs as the kona at its price point. I think i will go with the Kona as my first car and EV purchase! :D
Damn having that car as a first car must be awesome! Hope you get it!
I loved the design of the Ioniq 5 but it’s way to large for my needs, I love the kona size but the design in and out leaves me cold and the ice underpinning very disappointing, I’ve read that Hyundai are fast forwarding the next model releases with an Ioniq 3 or 4 due in 2023, if it’s an Ioniq 5 styled Kona sized car on a dedicated EV platform with fast charging I’d be very interested in replacing my Ford Focus then.
It's a pity Jack can't get it into his head that one car is much bigger than the other. He even says that one is 300mm longer at one point(wrong) but doesn't seem to realise that THAT could be the reason for one having a bigger boot capacity and more leg room in the back than the other...
The ionic 5 would be amazing if it be the size of the 80’s hot hatches it tries to emulate. I loved it till I saw it in real life - it simply makes no sense that car makers go bigger with EV’s just like they do with ICE.
Whatever they are doing it’s certainly not how a sustainable future would look like.
The Kona's ICE underpinning was about Hyundai being cautious, but the Kona was originally designed to have an EV version, as shown by the fact that the e-Kona body is a few centimetres higher than ICE versions, providing space for the batteries. Probably the right move at the time, and the resultant sales of this gen-2 EV have allowed for the development of the gen-3 Ioniq 5.
Tru dat.
What's surprising to me is the ground up EV is bested by the compromised ICE platform when it comes to efficiency. The ioniq 5 doesn't deserve the name. My Ioniq 38kwh has averaged 4.7 miles per kw over the last 22 months.
What, no mention of the Kona catching fire so often that Hyundai are having to address the problem?
I just bought the kona for three simple reasons.
Compact
Range
Cheap-ish
I adore the ioniq 5 looks.
Totally different cars! A barge or a small hatch. An efficient low impact car or inefficient bus? Fiesta or Granada? EVs are not unpolluting, the tyre, disc, dust etc, those PM2.5-10s are worse with these bigger less efficient models.
Brilliant rapid charging on the Ioniq on all of those super chargers that don’t exist.
Wish they’d just put a 64kWh battery in the original Ioniq to be honest.
Longest range Hyundai……. is still the Kona!
And I’ve been in all of them as I’m looking to replace our 38 Ioniq, I wanted to like the I5 but it’s just too vast.
Well said, dude - the comparison ISN'T.......!!
The Ionic 5 is very futuristic in appearance, but my being a 73 year old ex sports car racer, I would opt for the Kona with analog gauges, greater range and somewhat less civilized. Still, a very good comparison Jack. Thanks!
Interesting to see your thoughts on the pair Jack. We used our Kona to holiday deep into France late this summer. Returning from South of Geneva, we got home n one hit on the autoroute, c. 800 miles, using IONITY chargers. Each comfort stop was about 25 mins or so.
I had a P45 Ioniq on order, and test drove an Ioniq 5 (4 x drive). It’s lack of efficiency meant the continental trip would not have worked, b cause you couldn’t have hit the IONITY or any other HPC’s to get back in a day.
My daughter took the P45 because she could live with the lack of range.
Efficiency is King.
PS want a bigger boot? Just take the polystyrene and rubbish out of the Kona and you have something that works far better.
I agree. I drove my old Kona electric to Italy (Genoa) using Ionity - no problem at all at 75mph.
@@davidhamishwill367 good to hear of your trip as well. What do you drive now?
@@greengecko1876 Another Kona! One part of the trip was especially impressive. We overnighted in Chamonix and then drove down to ours, a drive of just over 200 miles. Now I'll admit that overall it's downhill from the Alps to the sea, and I was taking it easy - 65mph. But the car was heavily laden and I arrived with 100 miles still on the clock. I was seriously impressed.
I live in Italy now and had to change the car because of Brexit. There was a great opportunity for a demonstrator Kona with only about 1500 miles on the clock and a vast discount compared to new, so I jumped at that. It's supposed to have an extra 20 miles of range thanks to a change of wheels, but apart from some cosmetic stuff (front nose) it isn't vastly different. The dashboard is revamped but I wouldn't call it better. just different! I'd have no hesitation in making the trip to the UK in it. Ionity are only expanding.
@@davidhamishwill367 great to hear. I am always surprised with what you can get in the Kona, after the mods I made removing the polystyrene in the boot. Record is a trip to IKEA, 1 flat pack set of bunk beds, with a 2m x2m set of shelving plus a large easy chair (high backed) with other bits a pieces. Cycles and other luggage, no problem.
We have a e-Niro as well, which I am am considering changing for a Model Y, but I’m not sure.
@@greengecko1876 It's interesting that you also have the Eniro. So leaving aside the issue of space (which doesn't matter to us) how would you compare it with the Kona in terms of zip, range and comfort/convenience at the wheel?
TESLA: When I was looking at the Kona the other shortlisted car was a recent secondhand TESLA 3 long range. IN the end it came down to an extra 80 miles of range (real world) for between 10-15,000 euros more - for me it wasn't worth it.
Where did the nice overlays with imperial/metric values go?
Anyway, nice video again
"Nothing creaks"
Touches the dashboard
"Okay that creaks a little bit" 🤣
When I was buying my 3rd BEV 2 years ago I looked at the Kona, one glance at the lack of space in the rear instantly convinced me to buy a Renault Zoe. I'm now on my 2nd Zoe. Bjorn Nyland's banana box test shows the Zoe has more room inside.
More evidence as to just how advanced Tesla is. 2.7 vs. 4+ miles per kWh is just embarrassing for a company with Hyundai’s engineering prowess. I am still astonished that all of these large car companies have had a decade now to study and copy Tesla yet can’t even come close to matching Tesla performance.
2 years later -- my dog said eihh (woof ) & just bought < 20K miles , 300 mile range Kona for £17K , UK main dealer price ! thank you the law of depreciation. great Video🐕
You're a really good presenter, just might be the next Clarckson.
Fundamentally, I look at it this way. The Kona/e-Niro is a smaller car, the Ioniq 5/EV6 is a larger car. Hyundai/Kia have doubled down on this, using the Ioniq 5/EV6 as their flagship EV model (at least until the Ioniq 6 and Ioniq 7/EV9 come out) while the Kona/e-Niro is a less glamourous, more utilitarian car. I lament that all the best electric technology is going into 'flagship' models, and modestly-sized, modestly-priced but still competently-equipped vehicles are dropping off the electric menu (I am so glad the Vauxhall Corsa-e/Peugeot e-208 is still a thing), but I hope SK ON's work on LFP batteries will push Hyundai/Kia to develop a dedicated platform for lower-spec vehicles, like the VW MEB-entry platform or the RNM CMF-BEV.
Until then, the Kona/e-Niro is smaller and more affordable, the Ioniq 5/EV6 is larger and more premium. And I suspect the Kona/e-Niro will have more market traction...
I loved the Kona EV when I test drove it. I liked the Ioniq 5 but not as much to drive. But the Kona boot is ridiculously tiny! If it had the movable back seats like the Ioniq 5 to create extra boot space I would have gone for the Kona. But your review of thd Kona back seats maybe demonstrated the reason Kona dont have this feature 😅😂 I need to put a wheelchair in the boot abc would need to fold two seats, with zero space left.
I've held off as I couldn't afford the I5 but now the used ones have come down in price. Looking for a used I5 with a battery conditioning option, which isn't standard until 23 edits.
Disability access wise the electric tail gate is neat but that button really shouldn't be at standing height 🤦🏻♀️
I love the Ioniq but it is really bigger than what I need. The Kona is smaller than what I need. I am hoping for an Ioniq 4 or 3. Something a bit smaller and just as funky.
e-Niro? Not funky, but the 2022 is an improvement
This may well be the first time that a Fully Charged video almost felt like a run-of-the-mill car review waffle aimed at making any car on "review" look good. I mean, with all due respect, suggesting one should buy a larger car (about 300 kg difference, as far as I understand), if one can afford it, just because it's nicer, is not what FC is about. However, it is exactly what pretty much every single car channel out there is about :/ It's what most of car buyers are about. That''s why we are getting these countless "SUV"s and a car like Kona is now openly called "small" or "sub-compact", which is insane.
Who cares if this is an EV? It's still large and energy inefficient. With that said, of course, if you have a family of five and are dragging them with you wherever you go, Ioniq 5 is a no brainer. However, just imho, driving something like this daily and alone in the city is not much better in terms of sustainability than driving a small five year old diesel.
I'd love to see a smaller bespoke EV from hyundai with v2l and 250kw+ charging. The ionic is a bit too big.
huh!
Happy to be driving my 3 year old 72000 mile kona. Nothing has gone wrong, and plenty of space for 1 or 2 people including big ebike and camping kit. So reliable, low running costs, and lots of buttons. For me the enyak will probably be the next choice having faster charging, and towing ability. Who know if the ioniq4 will fit the bill?
But the ioniq 5 and ev6 will have competitive boot space with the enyaq and even quicker charging.
@@Lewis_Standing and that's the connumdrum! Charging speed Vs efficiency. Buying price Vs charging cost
@@chargingabout enyaq more efficient than the others? They are all big heavy cars and rarely does anyone consistently need all the space.
Hopefully the new Niro will have a better charging speeds, might be a sweet spot of space vs efficiency
Apparently I'm in a minority, and while I'm dying for car companies to come up with something new in terms of design, I really think the Ionic 5 is such an ugly car it makes it hard to imagine ever wanting to drive or own one regardless of specifications. Ick.
I don't like it either.
Think I would take the Kia E-Niro slightly larger but same range. Nice vid Jack.
Good fair comparison. Kona still holding its own although it's clear to see the benefits of starting on the right platform.
been waiting 6 months for my kona to turn up. my first ev. Cant wait
Nice review, as somebody who has had both the first generation Kona electric and now the current version have top say Hyundai have a winner here. The Ionic is just too big for everyday use by a one passenger occupancy and what a range I get 300 miles per charge without too many problems
@david Aylieff-Sansom what did you prefer on either the original or the facelift Kona?
Should highlight that for the larger battery Ioniq 5, it actually costs more like £42,000, Vs the £32,000 for the big battery Kona
Just ordered the IONIQ5 premium. Test drive the Tesla 3 and was disappointedly underwhelmed. Speed was amazing, everything else really average. I’m an 80’s child and so had to get the IONIQ5 because that’s what future cars looked like in my dreams
just curious, is the other (original) ioniq EV still a thing or has that been retired now? by all acounts that was also an efficiency expert too albeit with a smaller battery.
Neither would be right for me... both well out of my price range. EVs 'for the masses' won't take off in the UK unless/until manufacturers stop gouging the potential savings on fuel cost back from the customer via the retail price of EVs.
Would love to see a re-do of this video once the Kona EV 2024 (with full on re-design and bespoke EV architecture) that was just announced comes out.
It's a bit like asking why do you need a Kia Niro and a Kia EV6, actually it is exactly the same question! lol Are you a travelling salesman or a school taxi driver. I personally am the latter, so it's the Kona (or similar clone electric SUV) for me.
Very interesting comparison. That efficency is terrible on the Ioniq5 though. I get 4.5 out of my old Kia Soul and find it hard to believe that 5 years later efficency has dropped, because the Soul is hardly aerodynamic!
Size strikes me as the most significant issue. For many, especially city dwellers, the Ioniq 5 is perhaps more car than they want. It would be nice to see a Kona-sized vehicle on an EV platform.
Like almost everyone I was a huge fan of the Ioniq 5's design when it first appeared - 'what the ID4 should have looked like!'. I still haven't seen one in the flesh, but I sometimes think that it would be a great design for a car the size of the Golf, but that for a large car perhaps it doesn't work so well? Looking forward to actually seeing one.
It does seem pretty wide and a bit too big for a city. Looks great though, I'd love to see a golf/ polo size version
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I've seen three. Two in one day! It just confirmed that i don't like the back of it!
This chap is excellent, went from hating FCarged back to loving it because of him and that blonde america lady who ain't seen for a while
You moan about the Kona having less room in the back and blame it on the fact that it's based on an ICE platform.
Do you not think that the fact the Ioniq 5 being 4635mm long vs the Kona's 4205mm might have something to do with it???
OOH, the Ioniq has more boot space...
The car that's NEARLY 17 INCHES LONGER!
Who'd 'ave thunk...
Yep - it's comparing a Volvo XC60 size car to a Golf.
The boot on the Kona in North America has a feature where the floor can be reset (easily. One handed) lowering it 4-5 inches. This feature would probably have solved your demo on the bags transfer. It lowers the floor if the rear seat is up- raise it and you have a nearly flat floor with the rear seat folded down.
Somehow, in Canada, the Kona EV and the Ionic 5 are just $1000 difference ($43,899 vs $44,999) for the base model. If the Kona were $7,000 less I would jump at it.
My wife and I wanted to get on the list to buy an Ioniq, but they are booked for 3 years here in Victoria Canada! But a 2019 Kona was available, so we bought it instead.
I do think the Ionic 5 is a very nicely designed car, but... I can't help but feel that moderns cars that are not as aerodynamically efficient as possible arew doing something wrong. Big fan of the Cw 0,2 Mercedes EQS and the 0,13 Aptera. That aerodynamics together with low weight is the best way to wastly improve efficency is not a new thing - Edmund Rumpler, Wunibald Kamm and Paul Jaray found out about that 100 years ago and still cars tend to look like bricks... sigh,..
I remember I saw Ioniq5 recently in supermarket parking lot 2 weeks ago in Germany. I was walking by and suddenly thought oh wow what’s that! Sharp lines huge hugeeee car and then it hit me…. That’s ioniq5 and looks the same as a concept :O. I’m used to seeing Teslas and I love them but this really grabbed my attention.
Huh!
HUH!
I love 99% about the Ioniq 5, but its inefficiency marks it down to a "not recommended" for me. The worst part about it is that it's the technical platform for many models to come that similarly will be very inefficient.
yeah the fast charging speeds dont matter that much when A - you get cold gated and cant achieve them and B - waste that advantage in inefficiency over the journey
Ioniq 5 looks cool but too big. If they replace the Kona with something the same size built on the E-GMP platform I'd be interested just for the V2L
You have to hand it to the 80's designers. They sure had an eye in for what hyundai would be putting out 40 years later.
Yes Kona has tiny back seats when theres a giant trying to get in…
Interesting comparison. There is definitely a need for smaller a smaller ev especially for in city use. Personally I own a Niro EV while I wait for my EV6, which I chose over the Kona simply because of more space in the back. I've taken all 4 of us on a 350km road trip in comfort.
Hm they're only one grand apart in Canada
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. As you mentioned, weight & efficiency is very disappointing. I was very excited when the Kona EV was introduced with a 64kWh battery, 162 Wh/km and 395km real range. It was a very good option at that time. The new Ioniq 5 has ~73kWh:
2WD: 189 Wh/km, 385 km
AWD: 194 Wh/km, 375 km
How can this be exciting? I hope Megane e-tech EV60 will be a better option. If not priced competitively, Tesla 3 will be a clear winner for me.
Agree, for my taste the range of Ioniq 5 is just not good enough for traveling around Europe to this date. Just saw test drive with Megane, seem to be same issue, highway test reported 25kWh/100 km, i.e. 240 km range 😭
If all you care about is range, take the train, mate.
In a country like India Where the choice of EV is very less and I have to change my Car is it worth waiting another 2 years to shift to a EV ?
In Canada base model Ioniq 5 is priced very similar to Kona. We get the small battery option in Ioniq 5 but only the large battery in Kona.
I think Jack could make a review of brieze blocks fun & interesting. Add new EVs to the mix and this a great way to spend 10 mins.
One thing to note, the long range Ioniq and the 4wd version can tow up to 1,600 kg braked trailer. The standard car is restricted to 750 kg. That's a medium sized caravan or pretty reasonable boat. Range will nearly halve though. Very few BEV car reviews consider towing capacity. Pity the Ioniq is so relatively inefficient.
I sat and drove an Ioniq 5, it just feels strange, powerful and smooth but as a driver, it feels like a living room, roomy but doesn't fit around the driver, feels scattered around...
I'm sure Hyundai Ioniq 5 is a great car, but if it wasn't that butt U-G-L-Y! I rather buy KIA EV6 or a Hyundai Tucson for that matter. The Hyundai Ioniq 5 looks like a 1980s Hyundai Pony built with LEGO.
We love our KONA, but agree, the "stock" tires that come with the KONA are noisy ... we swapped them out for some Pirelli tires and it was night a day difference in road noise and handling. Visually I still prefer the looks of the KONA, but the little extra roomy "feel" in Ioniq 5 sounds tempting. You had the KONA passenger front seat all the way back when you climbed in ... it's not that small back there.
Regarding seat position - for both cars, he was showing what it was like to sit behind himself... he's a tall / lanky fella, which means in smaller cars the driving seat will be all the way back - and that in turn will emphasise the lack of rear seat space / overall interior space.
Did the different tyres make a lot of difference to efficiency?
There should be more competition in Golf-sized BEVs 🤔
You have done a great job comparing these two vehicles and it still makes it a tough choice for me based on how inefficient the Ioniq5 is. It's unfair to compare it to a model 3 though given the distinct lack of headroom in the rear seats of the model 3 and yet the model y is considerably more expensive and seems to be less comfortable due to stiff suspension. Decisions, decisions!!
I test drove the Ionic 5 a few weeks ago. Ultimately we decided not to order and my teenage son advised me to stick with my five year old A6 Avant! Two main reasons - 1) the front interior is nice enough, but in the back it is super basic and all brittle hard plastic, 2) the rear headroom, whilst clearly plenty enough for Jack in the video, was insufficient for my 6ft 2in son - who easily sits for a couple of hours in the back of the Audi.
The outlaws have a Kona and love it. Certainly they are also seeing the massive range in their day to day driving.
I agree the Ionia looks better. This video has helped me make up my mind I reckon.
I thought the whole point of having a bespoke EV platform is to make cars more efficient? What's wrong Hyundai?
I loved Jack's Dodgy Second-hand Car Dealer jacket! Would I buy a car from him? Probably not :)
Back when those jackets were last fashionable, and equivalent review would have been pitting a Ford Escort against a thirsty large Granada.
This is possibly the best car review/comparison I have found. You did not bash either car or endlessly praise them as others do. You told us the clear differences and the basic facts as few others do. Basically, someone wanting an EV to drive the family and needs the space and wants the refinements get the Ionic 5. If you don't need the space or refinements, basically looking for a basic commute car to work, buy the Kona EV. BUT, if you are looking for a fun-to-drive car, buy something else.
This is the first time I have found your channel. I am subscribing and hope your other videos are as good.
Very much enjoyed the video. Leaning towards the Kona for value and practicality
Similar size?? Are you kidding me? The Ionic 5 is more than half a metre bigger.
Apart from leg/boot space and quality of materials, there is nothing wrong that could be put against the Kona. In fact, IMHO, that (not so) little car is potentially the best value for your money on planet Earth today. It is extremely fun to drive, it has massive range, and if you actually set the seat more to a go-cart position (where it is supposed to be), the legroom is okay in the back (180cm+ talking here). I'm waiting currently for my order to switch from an ICE Ford Focus estate (biased a bit). :)
As for the Ioniq 5, it is an amazing car, great value for the money, very premium and spaceship-like. A really good value for the money, except there is a Skoda Enyaq iV that exists for the same money. Realistically the Ioniq 5 should be compared to the Enyaq iV.
Hyundai should keep refining Kona as it really doesn't even have competition (with the exception of Kia E-Niro, which is the same brand), while Ioniq 5 is entering a competition where Hyundai have never been. It could turn out to be a success no doubt, but they (Hyundai) already have a car that is just bloody good for most people.
I like the look of the Kona. The Ioniq just seems run of the mill in terms of styling. The Kona is attractively different.