Thank you so much for your videos. I am going through a very difficult time right now, but your videos are a welcome relief and help me immensely with my severe depression and anxiety.
That is the most beautiful come along I've ever seen, it is truly mechanical artistry. I must have one. Edit: at 4:30 is one of the best explanations of aluminum fatigue I've seen on youtube
29:07 - You can thread a rope through the hole at the end of the handle, make it a loop around your foot, and use it as a pedal to easier put all your weight on the handle. Else you wouldn't need that spring which brings the handle back up if you were to only use hands with that handle ;-)
Hello, you obviously have it. The question I ask myself, if there is no rope how do you make it possible to stretch it if it is 2 or 3 meters from the ground? Is there a method or it becomes impossible?
That purple sling is basically a standard polyester round sling. I use those at work for lifting. I'm not sure what a climbing equipment store charges but us cargo control has 10ft purple for $35.
I recently bought my "long term" gear. Feather Pro w/ one sewn loop. Infinity tension system. Two spansets, two bow shackles, two 6mm BC soft shackles, and two tree protectors. Static Side Anchor: Tree Protection --> Spanset (bucket) --> Bow-side of shackle --> Shackle Pin --> BC Sewn Loop One question about the Tensioning side anchor: Tension Side Anchord: 40m Feather Pro Webbing
It's a rule of thumb; don't use aluminum. If you get down to the nitty-gritty, cyclic loading is bad for aluminum IF the load is above a certain percent of the breaking strength. So, 4kn on a 25kn carabiner is bad because that's 16% of the breaking strength. 4Kn on a 60kn shackle is ok because it's 6% of the breaking strength.
@@NJSlacker5 yeah, and Slackline loads are typically below the infinate cycle rate for steel. Another major advantage that I didn't see you mention is that the failure mode for Al is typically catastrophic where steel gets stronger as it yeilds and there is a chance someone will see it deform before it gets ya.
That is funny. But yea I'm on a cyclic loading rabbit trail right now on carabiners so that was me kicking the horse as i went by but clearly not enough to specify when it is supposedly bad.
So will I ruin my tubular webbing with the INFINITY [39:39]!? I think you got over this problem pretty quickly... Is it because all the force is created at one side of the line (bottom side from the line = rubber side of the INFINITY "wheel") - in contrast to e.g. a linegrip, which pulls from both sides (top and bottom) of the line?
Hiya Ryan, you mention at some point that you don’t like weblocks with pins for soft release and to go check an other video out, i can’t find the reference, could you please expand. Cheers, Dom.
I think soft releases should be on the far side, static side or side B... whatever you want to call it. That side should have a sewn loop. You can take your weblock with a pin and put the bfk or other master point in it but you don't need a soft release on the weblock for a highline. In the park it doesn't matter. See my buying guide 3 part video series here on youtube.
Hello Ryan, I would like to get some parsec webbing and I would like to know what's you opinion, I don't want any recommendation if I should or not buy it. Only is if it has sharp edges at medium tension, if you has used as backup or main line in highline. Thanks!! I love all your videos about rigging highlines and science!
The infinity must have a limit on how much webbing it can store. If you rig a 100 meter highline on tubular, would it b able to store those 5 meter + of webbing? I couldn't find any info about it on their website. What do you recon would be the limit for thin (motom/ pinktube), medium (rubberband/type 18) and fat webbing (kill bill)?
the longevity of the tension release spring and contact points of it makes me curious, aswell as the rubber. Though seems to be an elegant all in one solution
I’m thinking about using my static rope and my crevasse rescue kit because my line has sewn loops on both sides (big tow strap from my car) [not for highlining]
its meant to be removed in the system but I'm sure it is bomber enough. Your backup is directly connected to anchor so its not like it is the only thing holding you
You may be able to use a come along, but you'll need to rig a way for it to be safely in the system or safely removed from the system. If you have an anchor point failure and the come along flies at you, it can kill you (and has done so, this is a thing that has happend). Yes you can use a winch. No, you shouldn't use a prusik on webbing, use a linegrip which is designed to clamp webbing. There are also DIY instructions online for making a linegrip.
In 2008 we rigged a 110 foot line with a 3 carabiner primitive setup and like 14 people pulling we just wrapped the nylon around around a tree when we were done. Snapped it eventually but hey 🤷🏼♀️
so i’m in the process of building my own long line rig and i REALLY think this looks hot, but i still don’t know if it would be cheaper than a pulley system at 100m. so is this an amazing luxury at an increase in cost or just an ACTUAL miracle?
Money is super personal. This can save a lot of effort and time, but whether the cost is something your wallet can handle is up to you. There is nothing wrong with a set of pulleys instead (and line grip, and web lock, and soft release...) especially if you already own those things. If you're shopping for a new setup, there's something to be said about a collection of flexible usage gear, various parts you can use for different tasks. The infinity is pretty specialized. But considering how much it does for how compact it is, and considering I already have other flexible gear to use, I found it to be worth it for a lot of situations (quickly throwing up a line in a park for friends being the most common).
Just make sure you're securing it safely in the system or removing it from the system. Come alongs have launched into heads and killed people due to an anchor point failure without a backup. Please be careful out there.
Theirs the ones that you can feed it in and it rolls up and also the ones that has a fixed peice of static webbing you can connect to and back up btw come highline or climb in the Adirondacks if you've never climbed ice that's the place to
Just make sure you're securing it safely in the system or removing it from the system. Come alongs have launched into heads and killed people due to an anchor point failure without a backup. Please be careful out there.
So you reached 5.6kN at 23:10 with gear (the purple loop around the tree) which is only rated for 8kN and has a knot in it? Isn’t that probably really close to breaking it? And you are a relatively slim person and were only walking on it, not doing some crazy tricks.
8kN is the working load limit with a choker hitch, not the breaking strength, so there's a safety factor in there. With the bgebz knot he was using it should keep about 70% of it's (basket hitch) strength (according to tests by BC: www.balancecommunity.com/blogs/slack-science/testing-the-bgebz-knot). Doing the math (70% * 23kN) I get a 16kN WLL for that knot in a purple spanset making it not the weakest part of the system. I believe the weakest part there is the hitch around the tree which has the 8kN WLL you mentioned. That already accounts for the hitch so you don't need to adjust the number further. As such, I think everything is safe as far as the forces are concerned. Pretty sure the riskiest thing here is just longlining that far from the ground. That said, I'm no expert. I just like reading about rigging.
the purple loop is rated to 10 Kn, but breaks at 70 Kn (safety factor 1:7). Even if the spanset looses half of the strength by girth-hitching, he would still have a safety ratio over 1:6, which is super good enough. :)
that purple spanset breaks at 78kn in my slacksnap machine. 1 ton is working load limit which we did not get to and a 7:1 safety ratio makes me feel ok when I reduce the strength 50%.... aka.... it is still stronger than the webbing
Nutrients flows up a tree in the outside circumference of the tree only. The whole point of the sticks or pvc pipes is to prevent cutting of the circulation of the trees nutrients. If you apply too much force around the tree you can crush the nutrients delivery system and cause the tree to die from the spot you cut off circulation and up. That wrap around the tree is only preventing cutting off circulation by rubbing past that outer layer which would kill the tree. Imagine wrapping a rubber band around a finger many times and then repeating the same but periodically adding toothpicks or something before adding the rubber bands. and having to leave it on for a long time. In the first case you’ll finger would turn purple fast without circulation and the other would be fine for way longer because your not really cutting off circulation in a circular manner because the toothpicks are distributing the force along the length of your finger so blood can flow throughout the entire finger. Alright after writing this up I found a way to condense all this way more efficiently. Basically you don’t want the attachment point to act as a tourniquet for the tree. The black tree protection helps protect the tree against abrasive ringbarking or girdling of the tree but you should still really be adding a couple of sticks to let the tree breath and not strangle it just to decrease the stress you’re putting on the tree. Sometimes you won’t completely crush the capillaries but just deform them enough could make nutrients and other essential molecules to flow up and down the tree much more difficult.
No, it's a ratchet, tension check, soft release, web lock, and linegrip all in one, and the ratchet system doesn't spool up the webbing it just feeds through. It also has well designed anchor points so you can easily back it up so it doesn't fly and kill you like ratchet systems have done before.
@@red90rover98 no not all, maybe some but the ones I use every day at work pass a chain right through in the exact manner as this. I think your thinking of a ratchet strap
It's a specialized come along for 1 inch webbing with tension adjustment, soft release, web lock, linegrip all in one lightweight package with well designed anchor points so you can back it up so it doesn't fly and kill you if there is an anchor point failure (which ratchet systems have done in the past). So saying "just a come along" is... not exactly right. Whether that's worth it to you or not is personal, but it's not a come along you can buy off a hardware store shelf which is bulkier, clunkier, and not designed (meaning missing features that are handy) for slack/highlining. Can you make those work? Totally. Is this product an upgrade to those? Absolutely.
It's a specialized come along for 1 inch webbing with tension adjustment, soft release, web lock, linegrip all in one lightweight package with well designed anchor points so you can back it up so it doesn't fly and kill you if there is an anchor point failure (which ratchet systems have done in the past). So saying "just a come along" is... not exactly right. Whether that's worth it to you or not is personal, but acting like it's a come along you can buy off a hardware store shelf which is bulkier, clunkier, and not designed (meaning missing features that are handy) for slack/highlining... is pretty dumb.
Tensioning knots don't work the way you might think on webbing. Rope and webbing have different behaviors when it comes to knots. He has covered these differences in many videos. He's very aware of alpine tensioning knots.
Pulleys are cool, but this isn't just a pulley. It's also a web lock, line grip, soft release, and tension system in a lightweight package. Systems which use pulleys, line grips, and web locks are still totally valid and probably a better choice in some situations. But if you're setting up and taking down in a park every day, this thing is a massive time saver. It's a tool. Every tool has pros and cons. And it certainly doesn't look awful, but that's subjective.
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Quick question please , how do you make to tighten a Slackline if it is 2m or 3 m from the ground? .... Possible or impossible?
Thank you so much for your videos. I am going through a very difficult time right now, but your videos are a welcome relief and help me immensely with my severe depression and anxiety.
Nothing better than a saturday morning Highlining video. Thanks for the awesome content!
Glad you enjoy it!
This is actually incredible
That is the most beautiful come along I've ever seen, it is truly mechanical artistry. I must have one.
Edit: at 4:30 is one of the best explanations of aluminum fatigue I've seen on youtube
Saw this about 2 months ago as an add on Instagram, couldn't justify the cost but seeing this vid, I'm all in!
Half ton chain hoist + Line Grip + soft release is still the absolute ideal rigging setup for me though. Totally minimalistic and light as well.
Totally minimalistic.... with two "+" signs in your list? That system works well too haha
@@HowNOT2 OK... how bout "Lite +" 🤣 But it's a small as hell rig for sure.
Isn't that chain hoist 20-30 pounds?
How's your back doing after the last year of hauling a chain hoist up your highline approaches?
29:07 - You can thread a rope through the hole at the end of the handle, make it a loop around your foot, and use it as a pedal to easier put all your weight on the handle. Else you wouldn't need that spring which brings the handle back up if you were to only use hands with that handle ;-)
Hello, you obviously have it. The question I ask myself, if there is no rope how do you make it possible to stretch it if it is 2 or 3 meters from the ground? Is there a method or it becomes impossible?
Can't wait for the next episode! Great stuff!
Thanks bud. How have you been?
you look so happy
That purple sling is basically a standard polyester round sling. I use those at work for lifting. I'm not sure what a climbing equipment store charges but us cargo control has 10ft purple for $35.
you can get them cheaper at spiderslackline . I think they cost around $15
Quick question please , how do you make to tighten a Slackline if it is 2m or 3 m from the ground? .... Possible or impossible?
I recently bought my "long term" gear. Feather Pro w/ one sewn loop. Infinity tension system. Two spansets, two bow shackles, two 6mm BC soft shackles, and two tree protectors.
Static Side Anchor: Tree Protection --> Spanset (bucket) --> Bow-side of shackle --> Shackle Pin --> BC Sewn Loop
One question about the Tensioning side anchor:
Tension Side Anchord: 40m Feather Pro Webbing
I never noticed that he says newtents until he pointed it out, and now I can't unhear it.
Have you done a test on a carabiner that has had cyclic loading on it? I have seen a lot of your videos, but don't think I have come across that one
It's not fatigue, it's work hardening. Also I recognize this design as a seimens comealong for trucking and shipping. The heck?
Neat.
"Cyclic loading is bad for Al"
"These Al shackles are great"
It's a rule of thumb; don't use aluminum. If you get down to the nitty-gritty, cyclic loading is bad for aluminum IF the load is above a certain percent of the breaking strength. So, 4kn on a 25kn carabiner is bad because that's 16% of the breaking strength. 4Kn on a 60kn shackle is ok because it's 6% of the breaking strength.
@@NJSlacker5 yeah, and Slackline loads are typically below the infinate cycle rate for steel.
Another major advantage that I didn't see you mention is that the failure mode for Al is typically catastrophic where steel gets stronger as it yeilds and there is a chance someone will see it deform before it gets ya.
That is funny. But yea I'm on a cyclic loading rabbit trail right now on carabiners so that was me kicking the horse as i went by but clearly not enough to specify when it is supposedly bad.
It is a gorgeous piece of gear. And only 350 euros is a steal.
So will I ruin my tubular webbing with the INFINITY [39:39]!? I think you got over this problem pretty quickly... Is it because all the force is created at one side of the line (bottom side from the line = rubber side of the INFINITY "wheel") - in contrast to e.g. a linegrip, which pulls from both sides (top and bottom) of the line?
woah, this is incredible!
A girth hitch or choking reduces to 75% but it should be marked on the tag.
They do make 2" webbing on bulk rolls like 1000ft for industy and for those who make the webbings.
35:30 could you just use the load line in the lock and have the slack running underneath?
This is not designed for. What are you imagining this for ?
Hiya Ryan, you mention at some point that you don’t like weblocks with pins for soft release and to go check an other video out, i can’t find the reference, could you please expand. Cheers, Dom.
I think soft releases should be on the far side, static side or side B... whatever you want to call it. That side should have a sewn loop. You can take your weblock with a pin and put the bfk or other master point in it but you don't need a soft release on the weblock for a highline. In the park it doesn't matter. See my buying guide 3 part video series here on youtube.
Hello Ryan, I would like to get some parsec webbing and I would like to know what's you opinion, I don't want any recommendation if I should or not buy it. Only is if it has sharp edges at medium tension, if you has used as backup or main line in highline. Thanks!! I love all your videos about rigging highlines and science!
Maybe tape the helper bar (hockey tape style) so to protect it and the Dino, also add more grip.
The infinity must have a limit on how much webbing it can store. If you rig a 100 meter highline on tubular, would it b able to store those 5 meter + of webbing? I couldn't find any info about it on their website. What do you recon would be the limit for thin (motom/ pinktube), medium (rubberband/type 18) and fat webbing (kill bill)?
It is not wrapping around the drum. It is feeding thru .
Super cool!
the limit is..... wait for it..... infinity! :)
Love the content here! You guys are awesome! My favorite thing is that you pronounce your Ts. So that we know they are mountains, not mounnins.
the longevity of the tension release spring and contact points of it makes me curious, aswell as the rubber. Though seems to be an elegant all in one solution
I suppose my question would then be about serviceability. Can I replace with my own springs? My own rubber belt?
Very easier than before what I saw
I’m thinking about using my static rope and my crevasse rescue kit because my line has sewn loops on both sides (big tow strap from my car)
[not for highlining]
Is the rad slacklines pulley usable for high lining? Like can you whip on it and such
its meant to be removed in the system but I'm sure it is bomber enough. Your backup is directly connected to anchor so its not like it is the only thing holding you
do you have a good alternative to feather pro for a highline. the shop is closed and moving. preferably from spider, to save on shipping. THANKS!
i don't know. I don't play with other webbings enough to know what else to recommend
Balance Community still sells Feather Pro
Can you use a come along? Or a 2 ton winch with a few prusik hitch?
You may be able to use a come along, but you'll need to rig a way for it to be safely in the system or safely removed from the system. If you have an anchor point failure and the come along flies at you, it can kill you (and has done so, this is a thing that has happend). Yes you can use a winch. No, you shouldn't use a prusik on webbing, use a linegrip which is designed to clamp webbing. There are also DIY instructions online for making a linegrip.
Just ordered one - stoked to use it!
Would you use a soft shackle/spanset through the anchor hole, or do you think the edges too sharp?
Edges are too sharp, use a steel shackle and spanset.
What's wrong with the pin in the back?
In 2008 we rigged a 110 foot line with a 3 carabiner primitive setup and like 14 people pulling we just wrapped the nylon around around a tree when we were done. Snapped it eventually but hey 🤷🏼♀️
Would u use this on a highline for main?
Edit: ha i looked it up, I gotta get me one of these
definitely! Because then i might get to use my backup for once! haha
HowNOTtoHIGHLINE do you actually doubt its ability to hold? Would you actually use it on a high line?
Slack Snap one!
no! I want to use it hahaha
I'm sure i'll find a way to break it though haha
"You can get more, ck ck, mechanical advantage..." 🤣 oh stick! Youre awesome. Thank you Ryan!
so i’m in the process of building my own long line rig and i REALLY think this looks hot, but i still don’t know if it would be cheaper than a pulley system at 100m. so is this an amazing luxury at an increase in cost or just an ACTUAL miracle?
Money is super personal. This can save a lot of effort and time, but whether the cost is something your wallet can handle is up to you. There is nothing wrong with a set of pulleys instead (and line grip, and web lock, and soft release...) especially if you already own those things. If you're shopping for a new setup, there's something to be said about a collection of flexible usage gear, various parts you can use for different tasks. The infinity is pretty specialized. But considering how much it does for how compact it is, and considering I already have other flexible gear to use, I found it to be worth it for a lot of situations (quickly throwing up a line in a park for friends being the most common).
That is a fancy cumalong it looks bad ass. I use my normal cumalong all the time they are a useful ass tool.
Just make sure you're securing it safely in the system or removing it from the system. Come alongs have launched into heads and killed people due to an anchor point failure without a backup. Please be careful out there.
Is there a way to soft point with it? 🤔
if you've got a linegrip and weblock you could use them to transition to a softpoint. I do this with my pulley system, and it'd be no different
you put it in the web lock wrong, there's a picture on the side of how the loop is supposed to sit and I think you missed a half rotation
a couple of washers in the shackle will help
27:55 Brave
I've been using hardware store webbing comealongs for years 😆
don't webbing comealongs roll up webbing instead of spitting out the tail like this one?
Theirs the ones that you can feed it in and it rolls up and also the ones that has a fixed peice of static webbing you can connect to and back up btw come highline or climb in the Adirondacks if you've never climbed ice that's the place to
Just make sure you're securing it safely in the system or removing it from the system. Come alongs have launched into heads and killed people due to an anchor point failure without a backup. Please be careful out there.
You're so good at pushing rope, a lot of experience I guess
jfc dude, come on
Doing tree work id use that all the time ecsept id need to buy a strap webing rope like you have i have one that pulls on 3strand rope for tree work
So you reached 5.6kN at 23:10 with gear (the purple loop around the tree) which is only rated for 8kN and has a knot in it? Isn’t that probably really close to breaking it? And you are a relatively slim person and were only walking on it, not doing some crazy tricks.
8kN is the working load limit with a choker hitch, not the breaking strength, so there's a safety factor in there. With the bgebz knot he was using it should keep about 70% of it's (basket hitch) strength (according to tests by BC: www.balancecommunity.com/blogs/slack-science/testing-the-bgebz-knot). Doing the math (70% * 23kN) I get a 16kN WLL for that knot in a purple spanset making it not the weakest part of the system.
I believe the weakest part there is the hitch around the tree which has the 8kN WLL you mentioned. That already accounts for the hitch so you don't need to adjust the number further. As such, I think everything is safe as far as the forces are concerned. Pretty sure the riskiest thing here is just longlining that far from the ground.
That said, I'm no expert. I just like reading about rigging.
the purple loop is rated to 10 Kn, but breaks at 70 Kn (safety factor 1:7). Even if the spanset looses half of the strength by girth-hitching, he would still have a safety ratio over 1:6, which is super good enough. :)
that purple spanset breaks at 78kn in my slacksnap machine. 1 ton is working load limit which we did not get to and a 7:1 safety ratio makes me feel ok when I reduce the strength 50%.... aka.... it is still stronger than the webbing
Nice, but the cost puts it way out of reach for a casual like me.
Why is this unlisted?
I make these weeks and sometimes months before before publishing them. This probably got passed around to you before i published it.
Oh, by 1 TN they mean 1 Ton, not 1 Terra-Newton. I thought that was kind of a lot.
CMI rope jack? Anyone?
Its basically a fancy come along
I'd to se this kind of rachet but for trickline!
trick lines have been sold with ratchets for years... those ratchets have also killed people when not properly backed up.
at 21:48 you definitely didn't thread that in correctly
Good eye. But they do it like i did it in this video ua-cam.com/video/_Tg42Gl8BOU/v-deo.html
I'll ask how it is suppose to be done
@@HowNOT2 that's weird that they do it differently then there own diagram.
Nutrients flows up a tree in the outside circumference of the tree only. The whole point of the sticks or pvc pipes is to prevent cutting of the circulation of the trees nutrients. If you apply too much force around the tree you can crush the nutrients delivery system and cause the tree to die from the spot you cut off circulation and up. That wrap around the tree is only preventing cutting off circulation by rubbing past that outer layer which would kill the tree. Imagine wrapping a rubber band around a finger many times and then repeating the same but periodically adding toothpicks or something before adding the rubber bands. and having to leave it on for a long time. In the first case you’ll finger would turn purple fast without circulation and the other would be fine for way longer because your not really cutting off circulation in a circular manner because the toothpicks are distributing the force along the length of your finger so blood can flow throughout the entire finger. Alright after writing this up I found a way to condense all this way more efficiently. Basically you don’t want the attachment point to act as a tourniquet for the tree. The black tree protection helps protect the tree against abrasive ringbarking or girdling of the tree but you should still really be adding a couple of sticks to let the tree breath and not strangle it just to decrease the stress you’re putting on the tree. Sometimes you won’t completely crush the capillaries but just deform them enough could make nutrients and other essential molecules to flow up and down the tree much more difficult.
Incredible!!!
But, Out-of-Stock... 🤔
The INFINITY 2 is back in stock and on sale on slack-inov.
So it's a ratchet with extra steps
a ratchet that never gets full of webbings so you can do whatever length you want
No, it's a ratchet, tension check, soft release, web lock, and linegrip all in one, and the ratchet system doesn't spool up the webbing it just feeds through. It also has well designed anchor points so you can easily back it up so it doesn't fly and kill you like ratchet systems have done before.
Rangers won't even let us put up hammocks.
So it's a comealong
No. A comealong wraps the webbing around the drum.
@@red90rover98 no not all, maybe some but the ones I use every day at work pass a chain right through in the exact manner as this. I think your thinking of a ratchet strap
It's a specialized come along for 1 inch webbing with tension adjustment, soft release, web lock, linegrip all in one lightweight package with well designed anchor points so you can back it up so it doesn't fly and kill you if there is an anchor point failure (which ratchet systems have done in the past). So saying "just a come along" is... not exactly right. Whether that's worth it to you or not is personal, but it's not a come along you can buy off a hardware store shelf which is bulkier, clunkier, and not designed (meaning missing features that are handy) for slack/highlining. Can you make those work? Totally. Is this product an upgrade to those? Absolutely.
It’s just a come along
It's a specialized come along for 1 inch webbing with tension adjustment, soft release, web lock, linegrip all in one lightweight package with well designed anchor points so you can back it up so it doesn't fly and kill you if there is an anchor point failure (which ratchet systems have done in the past). So saying "just a come along" is... not exactly right. Whether that's worth it to you or not is personal, but acting like it's a come along you can buy off a hardware store shelf which is bulkier, clunkier, and not designed (meaning missing features that are handy) for slack/highlining... is pretty dumb.
@@error.418 people with nothing going on in their lives love to criticize
@@patob3363 Eh, it's not really that deep, it's all good
Learn tensioning knots like you’d need to for alpin climbing.
Tensioning knots don't work the way you might think on webbing. Rope and webbing have different behaviors when it comes to knots. He has covered these differences in many videos. He's very aware of alpine tensioning knots.
1 kg = 2.20462 lbs
22:46
Cheater!
Mah
Design looks awful and makes me think that pulleys are a much better option.
Pulleys are cool, but this isn't just a pulley. It's also a web lock, line grip, soft release, and tension system in a lightweight package. Systems which use pulleys, line grips, and web locks are still totally valid and probably a better choice in some situations. But if you're setting up and taking down in a park every day, this thing is a massive time saver. It's a tool. Every tool has pros and cons. And it certainly doesn't look awful, but that's subjective.