"... the Sith diminished to the point where many believed the threat eliminated entirely and order extinct..." This reminds me of Ki-Adi-Amundi in the Phantom Menace saying "The Sith have been extinct for a millenia." I like that the Jedi have assumed that the Sith were truly gone more than one time, and they never learn from this mistake.
Yay new video! These help a lot with refreshing my memory as well as introducing me to new lore that I didn't know as well as understanding different franchises that I know little about.
Peace is a lie; There is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall set me free.
@@mikeor- Don't try to Jedi mind trick me. I know that there is a punctuation mark in the source material (I think), but let's be honest, no one reads that like they are separate sentences. To correct for this, some people replace it with a coma which isn't what commas are for, it's just wrong. You should really use a semicolon as leaving it with that punctuation mark is just stupid. Like, whoever wrote that really needs to consider how to write sentences.
@@8is Then why does Bastila say: "Lies? You are the one living a lie, Revan! Peace is a lie! There is only passion!" She says that like two separate sentences. It also said like that in the Sith Language.
@@mikeor- It is an exaggeration to say that these punctuation marks are *that* clearly defined regarding how long pauses they make. A semicolon is supposed to be longer than a comma, but shorter than a period. But people pause for dramatic effect all the time; sometimes a comma sounds like a period. You could've even read the semicolon with barely any pause at all in the previous sentence. So I think I'll retract my point about pauses since, when thinking about it, it doesn't really affect its spelling. But I still stand by what I say, it should be spelled with a semicolon. It isn't wrong to put a period there, but I would make room for them to be interconnected since "there is only passion" relies on "Peace is a lie" which is what the semicolon is for. Plus, the period ruins the whole mantra honestly, I think it should be one sentence per line. And the only reason it isn't read weirdly is because "there is only passion" is referring to "Peace is a lie"; they have to be on the same line. Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall set me free. This is just badly written.
George Lucas meant for the Sith to be founded “almost 2000 years” before the movies and therefore the TPM novelization says that’s what happened, but the Tales of the Jedi comics had already established that the Sith were around before that, so the Sith founder described in the TPM novelization was retconned into the founder of the “New” Sith Order/Empire and the Sith Wars described in the TPM novelization were retconned into the “New Sith Wars”.
yes, i think this period could be heights of sith powers, maybe in these times sith empires controlled most if not all known galaxy and this is period to which palpatine reffered in episode 3 when he said that once more sith will rule the galaxy and we shall have peace.
Kaan was honestly kind of wasted here like I feel like he was the only order that could be successful in the long run, and Bane disapproved it solely because of extremely selfish desires, I love Bane as a character but his ideology is super flawed (which I believe was the intention), sure it created the Empire many years in the future, but not only was more of the Jedi council arrogance and Palpatine manipulation skills that could possibly be achieved even without the rule of having only two Sith Lords. Bane focused solely on conquer, never on the Dark Side itself, which is why the only change to the old lore I want is for Kaan do to more stuff instead of only being known as "the guy Darth Bane tricked to create the Rule of Two", maybe expand his rivalry with Hoth a bit more. Also, I miss having a ton of Sith instead of only two, the Rule of Two had its time and if we ever get any lore in the distant future of star wars, I hope people ignore Bane's vision for the Sith future.
I dont think people down play Kaan. Even bane said that Kaan wasn't weak. Keep in mind, kaan single handedly kept all the sith from the brotherhood of darkness inline and from killing each other through a combination of his charisma and his high level skills of force manipulation/persuasion. He did this for 10 long years while they were at war with the jedi and army of light. That alone is one hell of an accomplishment, but I doubt it would last much longer even if bane didn't sabotage him. Remember, sith are highly competitive with each other, cut throat even.
Kaan’s brotherhood absolutely would not have lasted much longer, not just philosophically but also because of the order’s structure. They were already on the brink of defeat at the battle of Rusaan. Bane desired to destroy the brotherhood because he saw the inherent flaws and hypocrisies of Kaan’s philosophy. Bane’s philosophy was solely focused on growing in power in the darkside so that a sith duo would eventually be strong enough to topple the republic and Jedi. To say Bane never focused on the darkside and solely on conquest is an absurd statement. The rule of two is still the most effective system for the sith to operate by.
The sith equivalent to the Jedi High council at least stopped the Infighting since the founder saw the bigger picture: the extinction of the Jedi. Unfortunately, that too wound up failing due to those believing in the old ways; that last part meant the rule of 2 which means basically "bide our time for now"
There is no passion, there is solely obsession. There is no knowledge, there is solely conviction. There is no perpose, there os solely will. There is nothing, only me
I swear don't people learn history in this universe ? Always the same fight and over again nothing ever changes. Just the skins change. Its getting repedetive over time.
Kreia blamed the Force itself the repetitiveness of the constant wars in Star Wars and tried to destroy it. The real in-universe fault of the repetitiveness was Abeloth as conflict in the Galaxy weakened her cage so she influenced the Force to cause more and more conflict in an attempt to break free. Times of Peace in the Galaxy would occur right after her cage was fortified by the Ones and the Killik. The real out-of-universe reason was George Lucas with his believe that history should rhyme. So you can blame either George Lucas or Abeloth the the repetitiveness in Star Wars.
No because the Jedi Order in their infinite wisdom largely convinced the Galactic Republic to erase most knowledge about this era from Galactic memory to the point where all most people know afterwards knew about the Sith was that they where some vague rival jedi sect that was wiped out a thousand years ago.
@@Chaotic_Jackal It's not really an exuse as each of the millions of worlds that part of the republic has it's own archives of what has happened. I guess people don't really care that much about the reasons and just want different people fighting in light sabers and blasters. And many people don't take the EU that seriesly
The Darth Bane series covers the final century, and Knight Errant covers the Calimondra period, but most of the rest of the info comes from various reference books and roleplay campaign guides.
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Kaan: comes into power after a millennia of sith aggression also Kaan: itS All ThE JEdiS faULt! see, this why the whole 'jedi are just as bad sith' stick is so dumb. countless times, the sith are the clear aggressors and cause the most harm and hardship in the galaxy, while the jedi are, at worse, infuriatingly arrogant, which is hardly even a millionth as bad as the sith. but edgy people are gonna edge.
I mean Kaan was right, if it weren't for the passivity of the jedi, people like Darth Ruin or Darth Desolous would never have come to power, and there would have been no Sith order if the jedi, after 100 years of darkness, had the balls and killed Ajunta Pall and his followers.
@@dangi6516 and the nanosecond the jedi aren't passive theyd get blamed for being overbearing or oppressive or something- dammed if they do, dammed if they don't. and again, the darksiders are always the aggressors; no one made them go evil, they sill have something called personal responsibility. but screw that right? its easier to blame the jedi for everything (who again at worse are arrogant and prideful, nowhere near as bad as, ya know, genocidal)
@@blagageorge3824true and not true .... Yes, most of the time the Sith are aggressors, but the Jedi are not saints either ( "no one forced them to do evil"), e.g., the genocide of the original Sith Empire, after the Republic and the Jedi won the hyperspace war, they murdered billions of people living on the planets within the empire borders. The few who survived under Vitiate's leadership rebuilt the empire with one thought, Revenge ... Half of the wars in the galaxy stem from the failure to kill Ajunta Pall or the genocide of the original Sith Empire. I'm not saying that all jedi are evil, but looking at the entire history of the galaxy, Lord Khan was right, the jedi are responsible for the 2 worst decisions in the galaxy
@@dangi6516 not quite. according to Old Republic lore, the majority did from mass suicides or civil war between remaining sith lords, though the republic did indeed kill many. not to sound callous, but i most certainly do not look at the republic's harsh retaliation as somehow putting them at the same level as the sith (which is almost always what that particular whataboutism is brought up or). instead, its closer to the allied bombings of germany during ww2, something meant to completely break down an enemy which had not even surrendered- and indeed, with the fanaticism displayed in the aforementioned mass ritualistic suicides, a surrender was unlikely to occur to say the least. so the republic doing what it did? you'll excuse me if the destruction of the dark side magocracy that would most certainly not bat a single eye in killing far, far more if left unchecked dose not, in fact, evoke much sympathy from me the jedi especially went in with and only with the explicit goal of taking out eliminating the sith lords and did not participate, as an institution, in the bombings and instead focused on destroying dark side temples, knowledge and artifacts to keep them from being used. heck, they even went out of their way NOT to just kill all the sith lords they captured and instead opted to sever them from the force- a courtesy which the sith most certainly would NOT return but which most 'The JeDi ARe jusT AS Bad oR WOrsE' people would, of course, ignore i could go on, but this already went on longer than i like, so imma stop here for now
"... the Sith diminished to the point where many believed the threat eliminated entirely and order extinct..."
This reminds me of Ki-Adi-Amundi in the Phantom Menace saying "The Sith have been extinct for a millenia."
I like that the Jedi have assumed that the Sith were truly gone more than one time, and they never learn from this mistake.
Legends is so much more interesting to me
If you haven't done it yet you need to read the Darth bane trilogy. Easily my favorite star wars legend
Canon timeline starts at around 232 BBY, while Legends starts off at 25000 BBY
@@vishalbhat8602 Canon starts way before that. Pre 10,000 BBY there isn't much but after that there is a good deal of content.
@@schmaclaus764 Yeah but I prefer Legends
@@vishalbhat8602 Same
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These help a lot with refreshing my memory as well as introducing me to new lore that I didn't know as well as understanding different franchises that I know little about.
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Love the new video! Next one, do a Darth Krayt one
And Darth Wredd too!
Yes a Darth Krayt please
Yeah
(23:18) I absolutely love the conclusion of this video. Perfectly chosen last words.
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The next Star Wars game should be around this time
So when Bane mentioned to Yoda "The Sith killed each other" he was mentioning the in fighting the Sith had that started in Darth Ruin's rule
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Peace is a lie; There is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall set me free.
Peace is a lie; there is only passion.
You forget the semicolon :).
@@8is There is no semicolon.
@@mikeor- Don't try to Jedi mind trick me. I know that there is a punctuation mark in the source material (I think), but let's be honest, no one reads that like they are separate sentences. To correct for this, some people replace it with a coma which isn't what commas are for, it's just wrong. You should really use a semicolon as leaving it with that punctuation mark is just stupid. Like, whoever wrote that really needs to consider how to write sentences.
@@8is Then why does Bastila say: "Lies? You are the one living a lie, Revan! Peace is a lie! There is only passion!" She says that like two separate sentences. It also said like that in the Sith Language.
@@mikeor- It is an exaggeration to say that these punctuation marks are *that* clearly defined regarding how long pauses they make. A semicolon is supposed to be longer than a comma, but shorter than a period. But people pause for dramatic effect all the time; sometimes a comma sounds like a period. You could've even read the semicolon with barely any pause at all in the previous sentence. So I think I'll retract my point about pauses since, when thinking about it, it doesn't really affect its spelling.
But I still stand by what I say, it should be spelled with a semicolon. It isn't wrong to put a period there, but I would make room for them to be interconnected since "there is only passion" relies on "Peace is a lie" which is what the semicolon is for. Plus, the period ruins the whole mantra honestly, I think it should be one sentence per line. And the only reason it isn't read weirdly is because "there is only passion" is referring to "Peace is a lie"; they have to be on the same line.
Peace is a lie.
There is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall set me free.
This is just badly written.
Love the baby Yoda 'fun-facts'!
Darth Ruin is one of my favorite Sith, I love the idea of a solipsist Sith Lord.
Seeming how all women are solipisist, all youd have to do is look at one of the women sith
I'd kill for a Dark Souls style game set during the New Sith Wars
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New Legends vid baby!
George Lucas meant for the Sith to be founded “almost 2000 years” before the movies and therefore the TPM novelization says that’s what happened, but the Tales of the Jedi comics had already established that the Sith were around before that, so the Sith founder described in the TPM novelization was retconned into the founder of the “New” Sith Order/Empire and the Sith Wars described in the TPM novelization were retconned into the “New Sith Wars”.
i like how they kept the timeline blank from 3600- 2000 BBY cos it opens the door to so many new stories
yes, i think this period could be heights of sith powers, maybe in these times sith empires controlled most if not all known galaxy and this is period to which palpatine reffered in episode 3 when he said that once more sith will rule the galaxy and we shall have peace.
Kaan was honestly kind of wasted here like I feel like he was the only order that could be successful in the long run, and Bane disapproved it solely because of extremely selfish desires, I love Bane as a character but his ideology is super flawed (which I believe was the intention), sure it created the Empire many years in the future, but not only was more of the Jedi council arrogance and Palpatine manipulation skills that could possibly be achieved even without the rule of having only two Sith Lords. Bane focused solely on conquer, never on the Dark Side itself, which is why the only change to the old lore I want is for Kaan do to more stuff instead of only being known as "the guy Darth Bane tricked to create the Rule of Two", maybe expand his rivalry with Hoth a bit more. Also, I miss having a ton of Sith instead of only two, the Rule of Two had its time and if we ever get any lore in the distant future of star wars, I hope people ignore Bane's vision for the Sith future.
Darth Krayt does exactly that: Ignore Bane's Force Ghost on the subject of the "Rule of Two," preferring his own "Rule of One."
Bane is such an idiot, Lord Kaan could have won Ruusan!
I dont think people down play Kaan. Even bane said that Kaan wasn't weak. Keep in mind, kaan single handedly kept all the sith from the brotherhood of darkness inline and from killing each other through a combination of his charisma and his high level skills of force manipulation/persuasion. He did this for 10 long years while they were at war with the jedi and army of light. That alone is one hell of an accomplishment, but I doubt it would last much longer even if bane didn't sabotage him. Remember, sith are highly competitive with each other, cut throat even.
Kaan’s brotherhood absolutely would not have lasted much longer, not just philosophically but also because of the order’s structure. They were already on the brink of defeat at the battle of Rusaan. Bane desired to destroy the brotherhood because he saw the inherent flaws and hypocrisies of Kaan’s philosophy. Bane’s philosophy was solely focused on growing in power in the darkside so that a sith duo would eventually be strong enough to topple the republic and Jedi. To say Bane never focused on the darkside and solely on conquest is an absurd statement. The rule of two is still the most effective system for the sith to operate by.
You ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plaigeus the wise?
It’s not a story the Jedi would tell you.
That one-a them what-you-call Sith legends?
So George, how many battles for Ruusan do you want.
Yes.
Darth Phanius sounds like every philosophy major I’ve ever met..and a few famous ppl I haven’t
Love your videos
CivilizationEx Can you please make Star Wars legends Darth Krayt
thats why im saying to
Sorry, I was planning to cover him but I ran out of time, I'll likely get to him when I return to Star Wars at the end of the year.
@@CivilizationEx how about make another video of The Yuuzhan Vong
I plan to make a Vong Wars series at the end of February. Will probably be the last Star Wars vids I do till the end of the year.
@@CivilizationEx Wait, so no more star wars vids in 2021 after that?
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The Sith in this particular era were ridiculously stupid, no wonder Bane killed them.
Great video!
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another great civex video
The Draggluch period should be more explored in novels.
don't think I've ever commented on your videos but your Star Wars and a game of thrones videos are fantastic
Thank you! :)
The sith equivalent to the Jedi High council at least stopped the Infighting since the founder saw the bigger picture: the extinction of the Jedi. Unfortunately, that too wound up failing due to those believing in the old ways; that last part meant the rule of 2 which means basically "bide our time for now"
CivEx!!!
this was great
Also darth rivan, the sith that sold darth revan's name after reading an ancient script with a misspelled revan-> rivan name
Make video on Halo lore that would be amazing.
Yes new valkorion design! :D
There is no passion, there is solely obsession. There is no knowledge, there is solely conviction. There is no perpose, there os solely will. There is nothing, only me
Have you ever thought of doing any mass effect videos?
I want a new sith game. Like the opposite of Fallen Order but different from force unleashed
Nice, you should continue my story.
I swear don't people learn history in this universe ? Always the same fight and over again nothing ever changes. Just the skins change. Its getting repedetive over time.
Poor story writing or great story writing. One or the other aha
Its no different from real life.
Kreia blamed the Force itself the repetitiveness of the constant wars in Star Wars and tried to destroy it.
The real in-universe fault of the repetitiveness was Abeloth as conflict in the Galaxy weakened her cage so she influenced the Force to cause more and more conflict in an attempt to break free. Times of Peace in the Galaxy would occur right after her cage was fortified by the Ones and the Killik.
The real out-of-universe reason was George Lucas with his believe that history should rhyme.
So you can blame either George Lucas or Abeloth the the repetitiveness in Star Wars.
No because the Jedi Order in their infinite wisdom largely convinced the Galactic Republic to erase most knowledge about this era from Galactic memory to the point where all most people know afterwards knew about the Sith was that they where some vague rival jedi sect that was wiped out a thousand years ago.
@@Chaotic_Jackal
It's not really an exuse as each of the millions of worlds that part of the republic has it's own archives of what has happened. I guess people don't really care that much about the reasons and just want different people fighting in light sabers and blasters. And many people don't take the EU that seriesly
The Sith killed each other, victims of their own greed. But from the ashes of destruction, I was the last survivor.
I thought the Jedi used the thought bomb 💣 💥
Can you give me the books these came from? Need to buy them now.
The Darth Bane series covers the final century, and Knight Errant covers the Calimondra period, but most of the rest of the info comes from various reference books and roleplay campaign guides.
Thank you! The EU is so awesome. I hope they use it more in cannon.
@@Dan-wk6ix what while Disney owns it? No chance. I doubt they will ever touch some of this darker stuff
Alright more civ x goodness for the head
Story's of the new jedi order in legends.
The New Sith Wars were by far one of the darkest periods in SW history, even worse than the Great Galactic War.
These plastic surgeons were something else. The lips on these sith are so smoochable
BBY - Before Baby Yoda
Hi there can you also do some x-men? Love the silmarillon series
X-men are gay
Its impossible to do everything yourself even sidious and vader has people they trust and serve under them, Ruin's egotistic ideology lead to his own downfall
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Star New Wars Sith
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Controversial opinion: I prefer Bane's Canon design over his Legends design
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Kaan: comes into power after a millennia of sith aggression
also Kaan: itS All ThE JEdiS faULt!
see, this why the whole 'jedi are just as bad sith' stick is so dumb. countless times, the sith are the clear aggressors and cause the most harm and hardship in the galaxy, while the jedi are, at worse, infuriatingly arrogant, which is hardly even a millionth as bad as the sith. but edgy people are gonna edge.
I mean Kaan was right, if it weren't for the passivity of the jedi, people like Darth Ruin or Darth Desolous would never have come to power, and there would have been no Sith order if the jedi, after 100 years of darkness, had the balls and killed Ajunta Pall and his followers.
@@dangi6516 and the nanosecond the jedi aren't passive theyd get blamed for being overbearing or oppressive or something- dammed if they do, dammed if they don't. and again, the darksiders are always the aggressors; no one made them go evil, they sill have something called personal responsibility. but screw that right? its easier to blame the jedi for everything (who again at worse are arrogant and prideful, nowhere near as bad as, ya know, genocidal)
@@blagageorge3824true and not true .... Yes, most of the time the Sith are aggressors, but the Jedi are not saints either ( "no one forced them to do evil"), e.g., the genocide of the original Sith Empire, after the Republic and the Jedi won the hyperspace war, they murdered billions of people living on the planets within the empire borders. The few who survived under Vitiate's leadership rebuilt the empire with one thought, Revenge ... Half of the wars in the galaxy stem from the failure to kill Ajunta Pall or the genocide of the original Sith Empire. I'm not saying that all jedi are evil, but looking at the entire history of the galaxy, Lord Khan was right, the jedi are responsible for the 2 worst decisions in the galaxy
@@dangi6516 not quite. according to Old Republic lore, the majority did from mass suicides or civil war between remaining sith lords, though the republic did indeed kill many. not to sound callous, but i most certainly do not look at the republic's harsh retaliation as somehow putting them at the same level as the sith (which is almost always what that particular whataboutism is brought up or). instead, its closer to the allied bombings of germany during ww2, something meant to completely break down an enemy which had not even surrendered- and indeed, with the fanaticism displayed in the aforementioned mass ritualistic suicides, a surrender was unlikely to occur to say the least. so the republic doing what it did? you'll excuse me if the destruction of the dark side magocracy that would most certainly not bat a single eye in killing far, far more if left unchecked dose not, in fact, evoke much sympathy from me
the jedi especially went in with and only with the explicit goal of taking out eliminating the sith lords and did not participate, as an institution, in the bombings and instead focused on destroying dark side temples, knowledge and artifacts to keep them from being used. heck, they even went out of their way NOT to just kill all the sith lords they captured and instead opted to sever them from the force- a courtesy which the sith most certainly would NOT return but which most 'The JeDi ARe jusT AS Bad oR WOrsE' people would, of course, ignore
i could go on, but this already went on longer than i like, so imma stop here for now
Man the new Sith Wars were kinda based
This god darn darth millennial!