Why Dooku Was so WEAK In Revenge of the Sith - Star Wars Explained

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  • @MatthewJamesKalasky
    @MatthewJamesKalasky Рік тому +478

    I never looked at it as Dooku being weak, but Anakin simply having improved a very large amount.

    • @corysanderson6177
      @corysanderson6177 Рік тому +47

      dooku also wasnt trying to win, he was in on the plan to use anakin

    • @TwiceStruck
      @TwiceStruck Рік тому +26

      Exactly, plan was for him to get arrested, brought before the Senate put the blame on Grevious for the Clone Wars, losing was key, just not an easy lost, plus him killing Obie Wan, he simply couldn't kill his Student's Padawan.

    • @TheFrozenOne97
      @TheFrozenOne97 Рік тому +3

      @@corysanderson6177wrong

    • @TheFrozenOne97
      @TheFrozenOne97 Рік тому +7

      @@TwiceStruckPalpatine said it’s a test that and Dooku won’t hold back

    • @Kinosis79
      @Kinosis79 11 місяців тому +18

      Yeah, he still beat obi-wan in like 3 seconds lol

  • @macleod1592
    @macleod1592 Рік тому +352

    I love Dooku. He is such a fascinating character and I'm glad The Clone Wars expanded on his story.

    • @countdooku2365
      @countdooku2365 Рік тому +11

      I love you too.

    • @Transilvanian90
      @Transilvanian90 Рік тому +7

      My issue with the Clone Wars is that it's too much shoehorned in between Episodes II and III. A bunch of encounters and duels and stuff that's heavily implied not to exist in the films. It goes from simple storytelling into filler. Much like the Obi-Wan series did more recently.

    • @tronovonflidder775
      @tronovonflidder775 11 місяців тому +7

      ​@@Transilvanian90
      Yeah, you could have cut a few of those encounters out completely to be honest. As good as TCW was, it wasted a huge opportunity to show us what other Jedi's were capable of. Plo Koon for example never got a single lightsaber duel. And Mace Windu only fought Mother Talzin in a rather underwhelming scuffle.
      Would have loved to have seen Mace Windu or Plo Koon vs Count Dooku. Maul or Quinlan Vos vs General Grievous. Aayla Secura or Shaak Ti vs Asajj Ventress, etc.

    • @crystalbluepartain3434
      @crystalbluepartain3434 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@@tronovonflidder775it also makes it a little harder to believe that anakin never encountered grievous

    • @crystalbluepartain3434
      @crystalbluepartain3434 11 місяців тому

      or actually retcons him having not idr

  • @mrgotham3685
    @mrgotham3685 Рік тому +75

    He wasn’t weak, Anakin was rapidly growing in power and using the dark side threw him over the power edge. Clone Wars does a great job at showing the power gap slowly starting to close with each encounter.

  • @GentlemanGhost1
    @GentlemanGhost1 11 місяців тому +57

    "You must not fight too often with one enemy, or you will teach him all your art of war."
    - Napoleon
    Anakin simply learnt from fighting Dooku many times. If Dooku were not compelled to leave Anakin alive so often, he would have ended Anakin.

    • @LordNightHowler
      @LordNightHowler 7 місяців тому +3

      This actually makes sense. Throughout the clone wars, It was always Anakin vs Ventress or Anakin vs Dooku or Obi- Wan Vs Grievous. Dooku was running out of tricks while Anakin was improving and was deciphering all of Dooku's tactics.

  • @galacticgui2305
    @galacticgui2305 10 місяців тому +18

    You forgot to add that in season 4, episode 19 of The Clone Wars, Mother Talzin uses a lock of Count Dooku's hair in a magic spell to try and kill him from across the galaxy, the effects wracking his body with excruciating pain, boils and sores, etc... She almost succeeded too but her casting was interrupted before she could finish. I'm sure that left a lasting mark on him that added to his weakened state during his last fight with Anakin.

  • @aster4jaden
    @aster4jaden Рік тому +601

    I just want a full Dooku Series.

    • @toastedtarts4044
      @toastedtarts4044 Рік тому +10

      Me too. Hopefully they make the story good

    • @moumouhdabdaidi9931
      @moumouhdabdaidi9931 Рік тому +7

      I hope Disney doesn’t just exploit the story of Dooku in Tales of the Jedi, otherwise they would ruin a great character

    • @gregphillips2827
      @gregphillips2827 Рік тому +17

      Who could possibly play him with the great Christopher Lee gone?

    • @moumouhdabdaidi9931
      @moumouhdabdaidi9931 Рік тому +10

      @@gregphillips2827 a Dooku series will mostly explore his younger years, so no need for Christopher Lee. All Dooku scenes when he was old are mostly already in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith

    • @nrhurley117
      @nrhurley117 Рік тому

      @@gregphillips2827Justin Bieber. Just ask that moron Seth Green, he wants Bieber in everything

  • @kidomniman8635
    @kidomniman8635 Рік тому +247

    Dooku wasn't slow in the movie because dooku was 83. Dooku was slow in the movie because Christopher Lee was 83.
    If Sir Christopher Lee was in his prime he would have beaten all the jedi easily and he could even beat count dooku if he wanted to play a double role.
    The guy was a legend.

    • @mynameisnotlarry7149
      @mynameisnotlarry7149 Рік тому +2

      Well said

    • @Pandemia616
      @Pandemia616 Рік тому +25

      Yup. Crazy life too. Apparently, his cousin Ian Fleming based James Bond on him after his time as a ww2 nazi hunter. And the military society that he was part of, the Ministry of ungentlemanly warfare is about to get a movie starring Henry Cavill.

    • @KazuyaVeranes
      @KazuyaVeranes Рік тому +5

      Sir Christopher Lee was very proficient at fencing, so had he been younger it’s a guarantee he’d have done all his own stunts.
      Such a great guy, RIP.

    • @kidomniman8635
      @kidomniman8635 Рік тому +4

      @@KazuyaVeranes had he been younger he also would have been cast as Gandalf.
      I couldn't imagine a better sarumon though so maybe that was for the best

    • @matthewwithum8372
      @matthewwithum8372 11 місяців тому

      ​@@mynameisnotlarry7149What he said.

  • @ShadowJedi527
    @ShadowJedi527 Рік тому +7

    "The dark side of the Force is a disease no Sith lord would wish to be cured from."
    - Darth Plagueis

  • @Manuel_B.
    @Manuel_B. Рік тому +9

    he was ordered to throw that fight, that's why he was so surprised when his 'master' told anakin to cut his head off. he was expecting to get taken prisoner.

  • @slsbaconbits4012
    @slsbaconbits4012 Рік тому +279

    I always assumed it was a mixture of Dooku aging, Anakin becoming stronger, and Sidious empowering Anakin to best him.

    • @modev4163
      @modev4163 Рік тому +8

      This is Star Wars you can't make logical assumptions here😅

    • @willcruikshank7972
      @willcruikshank7972 Рік тому +27

      Sidious didn’t empower Anakin. That’s total headcanon. Anakin outright beat him proven by how close Anakin was beating him at the end of the Clone Wars show

    • @modev4163
      @modev4163 Рік тому +5

      @@willcruikshank7972 maybe not directly or through the dark side but Anakin was motivated to rescue him because in his mind he was captured

    • @S0L12D3
      @S0L12D3 Рік тому +12

      @@willcruikshank7972 palpatine told dooku to go easy on anakin in the fight because he wanted to see how powerful anakin was. Neither of them expected Anakin to outright overpower him!
      I’m not saying anakin wouldn’t have won anyways, I’m just saying that we know for a fact that dooku was not going full force

    • @TheSilverwolf97
      @TheSilverwolf97 Рік тому +6

      @@S0L12D3 that doesn't make sense considering that Anakin has been proving himself time again in the Clone Wars at both the eyes of Dooku and Sidious. I would just put it into that Dooku never really embraced the Dark side, he was only using it, that may have put conflict within him that may have aged him faster. Also Anakin's form was a bad match for him when youth and power were on Anakin's side.

  • @danielturner1249
    @danielturner1249 Рік тому +5

    Also to be fair, in my experience Age doesn't hit gradually in those years. My grandfather was shoveling snow, mowing lawns, and playing sports with adults in their prime at 93, but by 95 he couldn't get up the stairs without help. In the 80s and 90s, Age Strikes hard and fast.

  • @timt6312
    @timt6312 Рік тому +12

    Dooku wasnt weak at all. He was at his peak. Even being able to hold his own against not only anakin, the most powerful person in the world, but also obi wan at the same time. Thats extremely impressive

  • @crownprincesebastianjohano7069

    During the Duel on Tatooine between Yoda and Dooku in late 20 BBY, Yoda addresses the idea that the Dark Side has diminished Dooku since 21 BBY.
    Yoda: "Gone backwards your skills have, Dooku. No longer a formidable opponent you are. Never this slow you were. Corrupted your ability the Dark Side has..."
    Dooku: [Dooku blasts Yoda with Force Lightning mid-jump, disarms him and knocks him to the ground defenseless] "On the contrary, the Dark Side had made me more alert and more powerful."
    Clearly, Dooku wasn't diminishing. In 20 BBY Dooku not only defeats Yoda, but causally stalemates Mace Windu who has made zero progress with Vaapad. In Spring 19 BBY, Dooku effortlessly kills Master Tiplee, and then dominates Obi-Wan and Skywalker on Oba Dia. While wounded he summons a blast of Force Lightning so powerful it kills Ventress. He wasn't growing weaker. His power in the Force was growing.

  • @chadflanaganCFC
    @chadflanaganCFC Рік тому +47

    I wouldn't say Dooku was weaker in revenge of the Sith not in the traditional sense, but if the novelization is the source material he was told by Palpatine to "take it easy on the young Skywalker." I believe this does a lot as he's having to hold back then by the time Anakin became too much to handle Dooku had exhausted himself too heavily to properly defend himself.

    • @ronanwaring3408
      @ronanwaring3408 Рік тому +3

      The novel also says that when they swiched styles on him he was constantly fighting for his life, so the "go easy" was thrown out the window, it's also why he threw kenobi he just couldn't handle the two of them but died soon after.

    • @chadflanaganCFC
      @chadflanaganCFC Рік тому +3

      That's what I mean though he was told to "go easy", and then at a drop of a hat was forced to go all out, but he had already made the fatal mistake of allowing Anakin to get his momentum that plus the fact he was channeling the dark side thinking two of the people valuable to him could be killed if he lost, and Dooku's already elderly status there was no way he was gonna keep up in a battle of attrition which the duel became.

  • @happyplacehomestudio375
    @happyplacehomestudio375 Рік тому +9

    Another obvious reason Dooku was weakened is that his master was obviously setting him up and probably purposefully weakening him in preparation for his new apprentice, Anakin. This was out in the open just before Dooku lost his head, but was happening long before as well.

  • @igorwaliszewski1153
    @igorwaliszewski1153 Рік тому +16

    When i watch Dooku i think makashi is the greatest form showed in starwars. I know Dooku was focused on one form. But combining makashi with form V redirect of blasters would be amazing.

    • @glennhouston5686
      @glennhouston5686 Рік тому +2

      Agreed would like dooku and windu to have a serious duel.
      Masash/gem so 👍🏿🍻

  • @ked49
    @ked49 Рік тому +13

    I just had a thought on how the force works, and it is kinda cool
    TLDR: force has three types and there is overlap. Each type has a manifestation. Bendu, ones, priestesses. As the physical, cosmic, and living force respectively.
    Also hyperspace and the world between worlds are exact opposites
    Hyperspace - travels though space while folding time
    World between - travels though time while folding space
    the force has a few different types. Those types were created by five beings that can change the universe however they want. They created a race of tiny organisms who feed on those energies. One of the five created humanoids, one created plants, one created animals, and one created other non humanoid aliens. They then introduced said microorganisms into the cells of everything. And they left everything alone for eons. A force sensitive race emerged who decided the gods weren’t doing their jobs so they had to step in. They created hyperspace, a universe ever so out of sync with the main galaxy. As well as cutting off the unknown regions. They created/settled a few special planets. Mortis was created by them and made out of one form of the energy the cosmic force. One planet was settled that being the well spring of life a planet whose power is the living force. The final planet unnaturally strong in the physical force is Tython. Then after they did their work they created guardians for each aspect of the force. They created the ones to protect the cosmic force, and it’s three sub types, creation/maintenance/destruction. They also created the bendu a being responsible for the physical aspects, teleconesius and previously stated hyperspace. And for the wellspring they created force priestises to maintain the force responsible for birth/life/death and souls. The race then created the world between worlds as the time equivalent to hyperspace. Where one can travel thought time and fold space, hyperspace is when one can travel through space and fold time. Once they did this they too decided to take a step away from the galaxy. Leading us to the the time of the original Jedi and sith ancestors.
    Now onto the terms used by casual fans
    Darkside - any corruption of any force in any stage to willfully inflict harm or suffering onto any living creature including the different forces themselves, this includes but isn’t limited to; force drain, force severance, sith alchemy, magik, force lightning, and essence transference.
    light side - the term used to refer to the creation and maintenance subcategories of the cosmic force, the physical force, and the living as they pertain to the Jedi order. Examples of these include but aren’t limited to; telekinesis, force speed, shatterpoint, psycomitry, mind tricks, mind reading, force visions, flow walking, skywalking,and Jedi meditation.
    The force- a combination of the three forces stated above: cosmic, living, physical.
    Cosmic - any abilities used by the Jedi order of the prequel era. Both cosmic and physical force
    Living - term used for connecting with the universe, force ghosts, force transfer, animal talking, etc
    The reason i thought of this is because someone told be no one can understand the force. So I took that personally. And I tried to solve that challenge. Also everything in this i learned from this channel. I synthesized everything while under a lack of sleep and slightly drugged after surgery.

    • @henrykjohn78
      @henrykjohn78 Рік тому +2

      Thanks man ! That was very comprehensive and highly appreciated

    • @ked49
      @ked49 Рік тому +2

      @@henrykjohn78 there is at least one thing I forgot. That is the planet at the heart of the physical force. Tython

    • @jonathanpeterson5442
      @jonathanpeterson5442 Рік тому +1

      Tldr

    • @warheartdaemon7293
      @warheartdaemon7293 Рік тому +2

      Sir this is a Wendy’s 😅

    • @warheartdaemon7293
      @warheartdaemon7293 Рік тому +1

      Nah I’m playing. Very well thought out and comprehensive. I gotta make a lil jokey joke tho 😂

  • @jacobwest7
    @jacobwest7 Рік тому +16

    I just figured he lost because anakin had grown stronger and maybe he had declined slightly, also it didnt help that anakin seemed like he dipped into the darkside for a bit at the end

  • @jorgemaiz7624
    @jorgemaiz7624 Рік тому +132

    Dooku wasn't weaker, Anakin grew stronger. Moreover, Dooku wasn't expecting to fight for his life. Also, I tend to think Dooku could have been even more powerful if he had fully embraced the Dark Side.

    • @101620DAR
      @101620DAR Рік тому +20

      The end he just realizes he was expendable

    • @R.R.R.465
      @R.R.R.465 Рік тому +9

      Right something not mentioned in the video, Dooku, never fully embraced the dark side, he used it for tertiary power but couldn't fully allow himself to be taken, as was his arrogant nature, he would never allow himself to be fully corrupted by Sidious and the dark side, except shortly before ROTS, where he decided that the only way forward was to accept the inevitable nature of the dark and allowed it to start affecting his emotions and judgement, as he believed himself superior, but was tricked by Sidious ultimately, and so the story goes

    • @armoredp
      @armoredp Рік тому +12

      Exactly this. Like I am asking myself, at what point was Dooku weak? He held his own against 2 of the most accomplished Jedi in the order and was mostly kicking their ass. He merely made the mistake of reusing a move that Anakin, the fricking chosen one and supposedly the most physically powerful jedi at the time, abused and he got killed. All while his Master was secretly setting him and his seperatist army up to fail.
      People are acting too much like Star Wars works like Dragonball Z. That you can only beat someone if you have a higher power level. The way I read this fight scene is that Dooku is a fricking beast, that was wiping the floor with Obi-wan and forced Anakin to his absolute limit when a small opportunity arised that Anakin was good enough exploit.

    • @R.R.R.465
      @R.R.R.465 Рік тому +4

      @@armoredp If you watch the duels in ROTS and TCW, not the show just the movies, Dooku is presented as a superior force user, almost on the level of Yoda, its the same argument as Vader vs Luke in Episode V, Dooku was expressly told to isolate Anakin and test his skill, not to injure or kill, just to test, so in both movies, he gets rid of Obi Wan and isolates Anakin, the only problem is that he wasn't expecting Anakin to change to a more aggressive duelling style in ROTS, fuelled by years of pain and depression, is it true that older force users get tired faster, yes, Sidious, old Ben, even Darth Vader in the prequels has laboured breathing when he allows a much younger Luke to walk him down with powerful, fast strikes. Anakin became too much of a match for him and he knew it ultimately.

    • @ladyriethegoldendelmo5441
      @ladyriethegoldendelmo5441 Рік тому +1

      wasnt dooku going easy on anakin? and if he went for anakin instead of obi-wan. dooku would had won lol

  • @hakonsgaming535
    @hakonsgaming535 Рік тому +7

    I would say that age is also still a big factor, because three years at 80 is very VERY different from three years at literally any earlier point. For instance my dad is 86, he has aged more in the last 6 years than he did in the now 40 that I've known him. Certainly the dark side isn't helping, and especially all the stress isn't either, but everyone gets to a point where the deterioration starts to accelerate.

    • @fmbbeachbum8163
      @fmbbeachbum8163 11 місяців тому

      In a galaxy far far away with lightspeed travel 80 years old is 40 here.

  • @jerrywoo4170
    @jerrywoo4170 Рік тому +24

    On Oba Diah, you can see how Dooku made Obi wan a hinderance to Anakin. He kept going for Anakin agressively forcing Kenobi onto offence which is his weaker side while Anakin was forced to defend which is his weaker side, this threw both jedi off and essentially made a stalemate.

    • @deo864
      @deo864 Рік тому +1

      most brilliant take ive seen on the matter. makes perfect sense.

    • @crownprincesebastianjohano7069
      @crownprincesebastianjohano7069 Рік тому +4

      It wasn't much of a stalemate though. Dooku could have easily killed Obi-Wan in the part of the duel he knees him in the gut and throws him. If you put that scene in slow motion, you see that Dooku pins Obi-Wan's sword arm and has a wide open shot at his chest and head with his lightsaber. Instead he just knees him. Dooku was intentionally not harming them, but that doesn't mean he didn't control that duel from start to finish.

    • @crushedscouter9522
      @crushedscouter9522 11 місяців тому

      Lol this is probably the worst take I've ever read. This is not how sword fighting works. Use some common sense please

  • @lordofpain3476
    @lordofpain3476 Рік тому +50

    The great hero of the galaxy , Count Dooku wasn't weak in ROTS .
    He was merely going up against one of the most powerful beings that the galaxy had ever seen .

    • @crushedscouter9522
      @crushedscouter9522 11 місяців тому

      Lol no. Anakin gets owned by Kenobi. Dooku wrecks obi wan all day everyday

    • @KENNYBIGBOWMAN
      @KENNYBIGBOWMAN 8 місяців тому

      @@crushedscouter9522a> b c>a doesn’t mean c>b

  • @jlfitzg1
    @jlfitzg1 Рік тому +3

    You can also add the fact that in the novel Dark Disciple, Dooku had suffered multiple injuries after the clone battalion, led by Kenobi and Skywalker, destroyed the tower in which he hid. The collapsing debris plus an earlier fight with the dark side version of Quinlan Vos had severely weakened him. Again, this was only a few months before his last duel with Skywalker, so he was still likely licking his wounds.

  • @theoldhermit2601
    @theoldhermit2601 Рік тому +1

    I think it also simply cant be overstated just how much Anakin and even Obi-Wan were growing in power in the last few months of the clone wars. It says in the novel that Obi-Wan became so in tune that he could practically become the force and be the embodiment of all things that the force flows through. And it states anakin was practically beyond power itself, a dragon that could obliderate everything.
    Imo thats why Palpatine so quickly decided the time of ROTS was the moment to strike, because Anakin was growing so quickly that he needed to be turned before he left even Sidious in the dust.
    Within a year, Anakin went from close but not close enough to Dooku, to humiliating him and being able to humiliate anyone not named Yoda, Sidious or Windu. It was only when he lost focus that Obi-Wan could have a hope of besting him (im an Obi-Wan fan. But he admitted this many times himself)

  • @trentking1978
    @trentking1978 Рік тому +2

    I'm so glad that you talked about this. I love the idea that Sidious may have already been deformed by many years of using The DarkSide. That he has been using Sith Sorcery to hide his deformity and the mask was destroy in the fight with Mace Windo.

  • @jetuber
    @jetuber 10 місяців тому +2

    "Your powers are weak, old man." Even the perpetually OP Kenobi was acknowledged to be diminished due to age -- light-side wielder though he was -- by the time of ANH. And Yoda by ROTJ couldn't have done much, combat wise.

  • @commanderjonson2610
    @commanderjonson2610 11 місяців тому +4

    “My powers have doubled since the last time we met” -Anakin

    • @hughsahlstrom951
      @hughsahlstrom951 2 місяці тому

      Yes, since we met last Tuesday. 😅 That's a quite the doubling of power. 😂

  • @fernandoflorez8802
    @fernandoflorez8802 Рік тому +9

    Of course that's what Darth Sidious says the dark side of the force has a pathway to many abilities but some say considered to be unnatural and don't forget it has a terrible price it all makes sense now

  • @TheAncientSith
    @TheAncientSith Рік тому +3

    Probably had to do with the fact that he’s 83. And he did get his a$$ kicked a lot in the canon spin-offs of comics and novels I’ve read. He’s actually been beaten by Quinlan Vos due to a massive rage amp and got the daylights beaten out of him in the Dark Disciple book. In Son Of Dathomir he also got massively electrocuted by Darth Sidious. All of these beatings probably deprived him of his good stamina and other physical abilities, and a bit of old age as well.

  • @andrewcrenshaw8093
    @andrewcrenshaw8093 Рік тому +2

    Elegant and refined. A Noble and Formidable Warrior.

  • @Pandemia616
    @Pandemia616 Рік тому +3

    Ive always seen it as a combination of these things.
    Dooku was getting older, Anakin was getting stronger and Palpatine was essentially preventing Dooku from fighting at his best.
    I think that he was still far more skilled than Anakin at this point and would have beaten him if Palps wasn't present though.

  • @flygonkerel781
    @flygonkerel781 Рік тому +1

    always great to see the stover novelization referenced

  • @johnmaurer8596
    @johnmaurer8596 Рік тому +4

    I believe in a past video you covered Palpatine’s actions and thoughts in Dooku’s last dual. Palpatine was using a battle meditation and fueling Dooku’s fear, was he not?

  • @anton.chigrinetc.96
    @anton.chigrinetc.96 8 місяців тому +2

    Because he never was. He never lost. Anakin's victory was set up by Palps, when he promised Dooku the Triumvirat with Anakin, and Vader was supposed to be Dooku's apprentice. Which is why Dooku wasn't fighting to kill Anakin, but rather to test him. Anakin overpassed the test, and then Palps disposed of Dooku. My guess is that Dooku was too powerful to be kept on short leash, and Vader was a perfect lap dog. Also, he had a better life battery. There goes all the "Chosen One" talk.

  • @ronoc420
    @ronoc420 Рік тому +9

    I loved Dooku as a character

  • @rickisaiahfierro4255
    @rickisaiahfierro4255 Рік тому +1

    Tales of the Jedi, Dooku, was pretty heart breaking. His love for Qui Gon was more powerful than Episode one showed.. that would've been cool to see some Dooku in that movie. Glad to see it how it is though.

  • @maradjade1848
    @maradjade1848 Рік тому +2

    My headcanon is that he was still freaked out by what happened with Yoda in Dark Rendezvous

  • @maxweII_demon
    @maxweII_demon 2 місяці тому

    The novel's description of how strong Anakin's blows were is something I wish they showed more of: Anakin at his peak.
    I remember how BRUTAL he was fighting Barris Offee in the Clone Wars. I wonder if every strike in that fight felt the same for her.

  • @starkillerab1582
    @starkillerab1582 Рік тому +1

    In my Fanon my Jedi master Bac’Cara Prayvus is in his 80s by the time the 30s ABY and he is still at his Prime

  • @zxKAOS1
    @zxKAOS1 Рік тому +1

    5:24 _"Every strike from Anakin was aging him a decade"_
    Iconic indeed!

  • @JohnGrove310
    @JohnGrove310 Рік тому +35

    I love how every time any Jedi gets killed like qui-gon it's because they are old... But Sidious was like 100 and yet he was still the most feared...

    • @commodorezero
      @commodorezero Рік тому +5

      Tbh by the time Sidious got to his 80s there was no one left to take advantage of any nerfing that would have come from that. Vader had the life support suit etc. But there's no reason to think Sidious didn't lose a step same as Dooku.

    • @tiffanybatcheller-harris522
      @tiffanybatcheller-harris522 Рік тому +5

      Bad writing on the part of the authors/producers. 🤮

    • @theprophecy3302
      @theprophecy3302 Рік тому

      No Sirius was Younger than Dooku

    • @TITAN-us2ej
      @TITAN-us2ej 11 місяців тому

      He had no rivals. The Jedi was extinct. Sidious only feared Luke.

  • @CrazyManwich
    @CrazyManwich Рік тому +13

    He was barely in RoTS and he wasn’t weak. Anakin was just getting closer to his potential.
    The only reasons Obi-wan was able to defeat h was because how well he knew his lightsaber technique and his love for Anakin.

    • @seanandrews5329
      @seanandrews5329 Рік тому +2

      And anakin arrogance. Also scissors beats paper but scissors doesn’t beat rock situation

  • @khumarchauhan1231
    @khumarchauhan1231 11 місяців тому +1

    Guess I didn’t realize that Dooku was older than the chancellor. I really am curious what a duel between prime Dooku and prime Palpatine would be like

  • @justyuriforever
    @justyuriforever Рік тому +1

    By the way, the German channel "212th - Tom & Taha" has translated this video one to one into German without giving even the slightest credit here, or in other words stolen it and thats also the case with a few other videos...

  • @ragnarshadow
    @ragnarshadow Рік тому +1

    I always assumed that he was asked to take it easy on darth skywalker, and he was surprised by anakin vader's improvement, and lastly was probably being drained and or sabotaged in some way by darth wrinkles.

  • @chrismagnum06
    @chrismagnum06 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for doing theae videos on Dooku.alot of "slept" on him because he wasnt cool looking like Maul or Vader but i loved him in episodes 2 and 3,especially his hilt and style.awesome character but Anakin/Vader is my number one.

  • @jasonmelvin9102
    @jasonmelvin9102 Рік тому +3

    In the Darth Plagueis novel, it shows how he was already on the council and a veteran jedi while Palpatine was still making his political come up. Plagueis seems very wise to turn Doolu and Syfo-Dyas against the order.

  • @nodatastored684
    @nodatastored684 Рік тому +2

    The clone wars shows Anakin's Progression in terms of surpassing Dooku who took his arm....

  • @jetuber
    @jetuber 10 місяців тому

    The point that Dooku was not being allowed, by Sidious, to fight to kill (in confronting Anakin), is crucial. Some moves were simply off the table for Dooku, as they would have resulted in instant kills.

  • @TheTigerspy
    @TheTigerspy Рік тому

    I think a pretty good reason is that they can make a cartoon old man flip and cartwheel and jump all they want, where the real Christopher Lee was like... you wanna put wires on me and toss me around? No.

  • @steveouk90126
    @steveouk90126 Рік тому +1

    In the novelisation of RoTS, the author stated explicitly that Dooku was intended to be Anakin's first, cold-blooded murder. It's likely that Palpatine was sucking energy out of Dooku to lead to that end.

  • @legomaster9190
    @legomaster9190 Рік тому

    And here, yet again, we can see how the lore of Star Wars parallels that of the real world. I'm not going to give specific examples, I'm sure many will come to your mind. But I've seen this, in some cases, first hand. Maybe not the aging part but most of the other aspects that are considered to be of the Dark Side. Whether you believe in the existence of the soul (I do), I'm sure we can all agree that doing certain deeds, and in some cases, "going the easier and faster route", does something to the human spirit and mind.
    Now the question is that how it would have affected Dooku, if he had turned back to the Light Side, like Vader did in the end of Return of the Jedi (well, similarly at least). This is a very interesting topic all in all, thanks for the analysis!

  • @brandonmedina494
    @brandonmedina494 Рік тому +3

    If his age weakened him why didn't Palpatine get weaker with age?

  • @savagedarksider2147
    @savagedarksider2147 Рік тому +10

    Dooku was A pawn and he couldn't see it.

    • @BigMalaka2
      @BigMalaka2 Рік тому +3

      The case still stands for all of Palpatines apprentices including Vader.

  • @chrisdudedurian1305
    @chrisdudedurian1305 11 місяців тому +1

    "Beware the old man in a profession where men usually die young."

  • @kaidorade1317
    @kaidorade1317 Рік тому +1

    I thought Sidious used a cane not because he had to, but merely as a prop when he was around those who didn’t know his true identity.

  • @HabitualAura
    @HabitualAura Рік тому +3

    I think dooku was aging and anakin was maturing in sync with one another

  • @xenniealsentinel1800
    @xenniealsentinel1800 Рік тому

    Darth bane struggled in advanced age as well.
    The tremors, the physical impairments that were difficult to get out of.bed, taking time to warm up in his workouts. Realizing he was weakening and did not want his apprentice to simply wait him out before the attempt to supplant him.

  • @davidmccormick550
    @davidmccormick550 Рік тому

    Combo of Dark side and sheer exhaustion is my guess. Only using the Dark Side causes corrosion of the body. He was a politician, general, Teacher and commander. Man probably overused Jedi tricks to stay awake and active with four full-time, draining jobs. Reminds me of whatiz name from Warhammer, the guy who replied to a gun to his head with” I can’t die now, I’m too busy!”
    He also was only one of two competent generals iirc..

  • @BentonAJames
    @BentonAJames Рік тому

    Yoda primarily used form 4, which is an aggressive, offensive style of lightsaber combat, and requires the user to tap into the Force to boost their skill and abilities. Even though Dooku uses Form 2, which is calculated and requires the user to be calm and level headed during a fight, it’s safe to assume that Dooku wouldn't incorporate an element or the occasional technique from form 4 since Yoda was his master. Form 4 is exhausting to the user because they barrage their opponents with attacks. So if Dooku was tired from fighting, it's safe to assume he was tapping into the Force in order to withstand Anakin and Obi-Wan, each with their own unique style of fighting. That would be tiring for any lightsaber combatant, no matter how skilled. It's especially impressive, though, because form 2 utilizes as much efficiency from as little energy as possible. So if Dooku was tired, he must have been putting up quite a fight.

  • @Logylia
    @Logylia 9 місяців тому

    Aside from his age, I always assumed it had something to do with the rule of twos. The closer Anakin was pulled to the dark side, the more dooku's connection waned.

  • @Thirteen13551355
    @Thirteen13551355 Рік тому

    I enjoy your content a lot because it focuses on the Legends canon, rather than the Disney canon.

  • @gustavo33413
    @gustavo33413 10 місяців тому

    7:08 Nihilus actually reached that point. His devouring of the Force on planetary scale actually destroyed his body, to the point of him making a full transfer of his soul to a mask.

  • @WRL13
    @WRL13 Рік тому

    3:54 that reminds me... in the clone wars episode, The Phantom Apprentice, Obi-Wan says they needed to capture Dooku so they could learn the identity of Sidious. this light of thought would have occurred on Obadiah, when they learned Dooku was Darth Tyrannus and funded the clone army. yet just months before the battle of Coruscant, they decided to try and assassinate him?

  • @toma.4808
    @toma.4808 Рік тому +1

    He wasnt weak.not in the least , he was almost 90, the stress of war and the darkside took its toll. Dooku wanted change, he was fed up with jedi hypocrisy and republic corruption- something that led him to sidious and someone who darth plagues recognized early on as a useful resource-unfortunately that usage was as a pawn. Lets not also short change anakin, by their next encounter he grew stronger and he wasnt the jumpy padawan he was the last time. He got bested. Dooku is someone i sympathize with. Is a he villian? Yes, but his motives were understandable and his ending was tragic

  • @fenwayandwrigley
    @fenwayandwrigley Рік тому

    Too me, the simple analogy is sports. An older veteran or team can often use experience and guile to defeat younger, stronger opponents who lack the experience. However, that only works for so long and then eventually the younger opponent(s) come into their prime, gain the experience needed and you witness the passing of the torch. Add in the dark side corrupting the flesh and the lack of the light side saving it and well you have a real world and fantasy world converging at the same time, doubling down this effect. This is Anakin VS Dooku in a nutshell. This is also Obi-Wan VS Anakin/Vader a bunch of times

  • @christophergardiner5351
    @christophergardiner5351 Рік тому +1

    One other thing that is almost always overlooked is that Dooku was doing fairly well in the fight in Revenge of The Sith until Anakin kicked him in the head hard enough it pushed him off the platform he was standing on. As an old man, that would have to have a major impact (pun intended) on him.

    • @heltongomez8865
      @heltongomez8865 Рік тому

      Not really. He was pushed barely.. And immediately after that, Dooku blocked everything and even forced the attacker to go into defensive. He basically swapped positions with Anakin by blocking and counterattacking everything (before Dooku taunted him). Meanwhile Anakin took a kick and that was enough to knock him down.

    • @christophergardiner5351
      @christophergardiner5351 Рік тому

      @@heltongomez8865 "barely" you say? Watch the scene again. Anakin hit Dooku pretty hard. As for Anakin being hit, he is younger and has a higher force reserve. Thus he could recover quickly where as Dooku could not.

    • @infinitedeath1384
      @infinitedeath1384 Рік тому +1

      ​@@christophergardiner5351Exactly people underestimate how much an injury can affect older people vs young people. The injury is often worse and take longer to recover.

  • @therightperspective8690
    @therightperspective8690 Рік тому

    A lot can change in three years. People can be spry one day, and then circling the drain the next, particularly at that age.

  • @realQuestion
    @realQuestion 10 місяців тому +1

    He wasn't. He took down Obi-Wan without much trouble, and Anakin arguably called on the Dark Side to defeat him, to say nothing of the possibility of Palpatine undermining him.

  • @markattila9835
    @markattila9835 Рік тому +1

    Can you make a video about the fight between Palpatine and Windu. I could never quite get whether Palpatine pretends to be weak against Windu in order to gain Anakin or he was going to be destroyed for real.

    • @Big407zone
      @Big407zone Рік тому

      Lucas has stated and he is the creator. No one can beat Windu in Lightsaber combat only Yoda would have a chance because of his ability to use the force. So, Studious was a dead duck 😅

  • @venkelos6996
    @venkelos6996 Рік тому

    I'd say Sith King Ommin; he was rigged up in a rack like Palpatine, the Dark Side had so depleted his body.
    I don't really see anything wrong with this; the Dark Side does demand a tax for what it grants, but this type of thing makes me miss the Legends excuse, and more specifically, the one given in the old Star Wars RPG days. The issue was Sidious, and he had a special ability. So, Palpatine, ad a character, had some serious values and numerous powers, but the likelihood of him ever actually being called upon to use them, even if present, was slight, so he had a special ability to divest himself of some powers, and basically grant them to other people. He did this with Mara Jade, and also Luke Skywalker, when Luke battled Vader. This was part of the explanation of how Luke faired so well, and was tempted by the Dark. He also improved Anakin, to further goad him into wanting what Sidious could offer him. I know it's just a silly, non-canon, game mechanic, but I liked it, and it added something to Palpatine's presence in these fights mattering.

  • @jovanleonardi1574
    @jovanleonardi1574 Рік тому

    i would think it was an amalgam of things, age, he was holding back trying to get anakin to use the darkside, darkside users don't seem to take care of their physical health knowing that pain feeds them and they're main power is through the force and not physical.

  • @IvanT7
    @IvanT7 Рік тому +1

    Wait a second Dooku was 21yrs older than Palpatine!?😮 Wow

  • @peterchavez9024
    @peterchavez9024 Рік тому

    Dooku knew he had to keep Skywalker alive. Fighting someone convincingly and keeping them alive, must be tiring too.

  • @OrdinaryInspiration
    @OrdinaryInspiration Рік тому

    I love the channel Stupendous Wave! Keep it up. You are rapidly becoming a Force to be reckoned with. May the Force be with you, always.

  • @stretch1681
    @stretch1681 Рік тому

    I never looked at it like that. Thanks for this.

  • @Predators--cz2fb
    @Predators--cz2fb Рік тому

    Doku was an older man when he fell to Anakin and Obi Wan. Those 3 years can make a huge difference when you’re 80 years of age.
    Especially when you are fighting a younger Jedi or a Sith.

  • @roelgonzalez8949
    @roelgonzalez8949 Рік тому

    Wow.. excellent point. I never thought of it that way. Now after hearing this, dooku is my favorite character.

  • @tombarter3287
    @tombarter3287 Рік тому

    Oh for God's sake, he was unprepared for how much stronger Anakin had become in the time since they had last fought so when Anakin dipped into the Dark Side in anger at Dooku for amputating his arm and knocking out his master, Dooku was completely taken by surprise. He hasn't weakened at all. The only reason Vader was able to get the drop on Palpatine was because Palpatine was a) so completely steeped in the Dark Side that he'd completely desensitised himself to the light and as a result couldn't sense the light in Vader, only the darkness, and b) stood next to a giant fuck-off hole. He still managed to fatally injure Vader in the few seconds it took Vader to carry him over to the said giant fuck-off hole and toss him down it. They hadn't weakened with age, it was the element of surPRISE!

  • @PlasticandRage
    @PlasticandRage Рік тому

    My wife tried to open a holocron earlier today but couldn't quite get it so she brought it in to me in the living room. I got it, but there were only pickles in there. Damn tricky sith.

  • @davidsmith7962
    @davidsmith7962 Рік тому

    I never knew this before. He did looked tired when he dueled Anakin & Obi Wan.

  • @Saimeren
    @Saimeren 11 місяців тому +1

    Hold up..
    It was 3 years between the start of the clone wars and revenge of the Sith, right? And you think Dooku only turned to the dark side during the clone wars?
    You know that Dooku turned to the dark side before episode 1, right? He was in leagues with Sidious when Qui-Gon died. He was furious with Sidious for letting Maul kill Qui-Gon. Dooku then joined Sidious, and he was in Attack of the Clones before the Clone Wars started as a Sith Lord.
    He had been a Sith and Dark side user for almost 15 years by Revenge of the Sith.

  • @DiegotheBasementGuy
    @DiegotheBasementGuy 11 місяців тому

    Also, to be fair think about the amount of force users and “force user tasks” needed on both sides. Dooku probably had to handle more (even at his age) with less force users on his side, whereas the Jedi had a large lot of force users for any tasks they needed done by a force user or force sensitive individual

  • @seanjohnson637
    @seanjohnson637 Рік тому

    Very cool bro keep up the good work love watching your Star wars videos

  • @martynarmstrong4730
    @martynarmstrong4730 4 місяці тому

    Part of me wonders if Sideous (masked as Palpatine) further weakened Dooku during the final duel to help bring about turning Anakin to the darkside and becoming his apprentice.

  • @realtruth97
    @realtruth97 Рік тому

    He must've been doing some intense rituals

  • @NobodyImportant5023
    @NobodyImportant5023 Рік тому

    Dooku would be great student for Plagueis. He focused more on his goal of destroying the Jedi than on overthrowing the master, and would surely accept his place as apprentice in exchange for the gift of immortality. The gift with was happy to share with Palpatine, if he wasn't such a egocentric idiot and killed him. If Dooku learned how to reverse aging process like Plagueis did, he would be a beast.

  • @logicplague
    @logicplague Рік тому +1

    "The dark side is an illness no true Sith would ever want to be cured of."
    - Darth Plagueis

  • @TrevorsEndevours
    @TrevorsEndevours Рік тому

    Is there any reason specifically why dooku didn't use lightning in his final fight?

  • @Ragman312
    @Ragman312 11 місяців тому +1

    How many words does it take to simply say that Dooku is getting older.

  • @RaphBlade7
    @RaphBlade7 Рік тому

    As Obi-Wan once said to Maul (in The Clone Wars) "It takes strength to resist the DARK SIDE, only the weak embrace it!"
    The DARK SIDE is a quick path to power that corrupts & is the personfication of the phrase ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY so its no wonder Dooku was feeling the effects of age given the fact he fell so late in life after being a JEDI for far longer than ANAKIN! SIDIOUS & MAUL were practically raised in the DARK SIDE & thus thrived in it, while Anakin often flirted with the DARK SIDE before he ultimately fell to it thus he was able to adapt to it before the injuries he suffered on Mustafar! DOOKU however had grown up in the LIGHT SIDE, sure he may have struggled with the pull of the DARK SIDE he was a JEDI MASTER when he fell so his body had to deal not with his new power but also said power was aging him & corrupting him! While his corruption may have been more subtle, he was still being corrupted & the stress of the war also took its toll on him as he had to deal with attempts on his life, being hunted by the JEDI, & battling the ever growing strength of Anakin & skill of Obi-Wan! Its no wonder by the REVENGE OF THE SITH his age, the toll of the war, & even the DARK SIDE corruption are all catching up to him! In the end the DARK SIDE grants a quick path to POWER but that power is fleeting & corrupts the very bodies of those that wield it! It has often been compared to a drug that makes you feel powerful while it ravages the body! It takes real strength to resist that pull & allure of the DARK SIDE, & Dooku shows even former JEDI MASTERs are not immune the temptation to use it & the corruption it brings with it as shown by his fall & defeat by Anakin who like Dooku himself would also fall to the allure of the DARK SIDE not long after killing him, with Dooku left as nothing more as a old duelist betrayed by his SITH MASTER for a much younger apprentice who was in their prime! Mind you I wouldn't be surprised if SIDIOUS kept certain SITH knowledge from DOOKU to prevent him from being able to combat the corruption that was slowly crippling him as I imagine the SITH would seek to develop methods to keep their bodies from withering away! Still that's why the DARK SIDE is so dangerous as beings who embrace the light like YODA can live for centuries, sure their bodies still age, but we know the LIGHT SIDE can heal unlike the DARK SIDE which destroys & corrupts!

  • @alextjackson6398
    @alextjackson6398 Рік тому +1

    Count Dooku was already aware of The Emperor and his Sith plans. As humans age…. 😮

  • @theblondesiouxsiesioux
    @theblondesiouxsiesioux Рік тому +1

    Does anybody know what would happen if you dropped a lightsaber with the blade still out? Never seen a video on that.

    • @ZoeMalDoran
      @ZoeMalDoran Рік тому

      If the blade stays on (most have a safety feature that knocks it off when you let go, but it's not hard to deactivate when you want to throw your lightsabre, and some people don't use the safety mode at all) it largely depends on the angle the lightsabre hits the ground - perfectly horizontal, then it'll just lay there, perfectly vertical, and blade first, then it will burn downwards until it can't get any deeper. Jax Pavan and his team used this to escape Vader in the Coruscant Nights trilogy. They locked Jax's lightsabre on, then dropped it blade first onto the roof of a nuclear reactor (most likely fusion rather than fission as it's Star Wars) and ran like hell before the blade could burn through all the shielding and blow the reactor. Granted, that was pre-Disney, but the principle should remain the same

  • @JonahCameron-d5s
    @JonahCameron-d5s Рік тому

    If they do more tells of the Jedi I'd like to see Dooku, Anikins age or his peak and see his dueling skills in training or actual combat

  • @troyAZB
    @troyAZB Рік тому

    “Why Dooku was so weak” *defeats a Jedi master and duels with the chosen one*

  • @marceloaugusto9787
    @marceloaugusto9787 Рік тому

    Amazing character, clearly underrated by people who only watched the movies, i do think Sidious was holding him back, saying he was only old isn't a really good awnser

  • @pIayingwithmahwii
    @pIayingwithmahwii Рік тому

    old age often comes on fast. someone can be seemingly fine at 80 and then be on the verge at 83... or even 81, or sooner.

  • @superdoran6396
    @superdoran6396 Рік тому

    You know I've been into starwars for a long time. It's been kind of weird with it because I read the old books before I ever saw the movies. I can't remember their names. I remember one of them talking about anakin being young and training with kanobi on a distant planet somewhere. But it was a long time. But I only ever knew yodas' age no one elses. But 83 years old as a human? Apparently, being a compassionate well, maybe I should call how he treats the jedi honorable sith is great for aging well. I mean, he honestly looks 55. Maybe at best, I would believe he was in his early 60s.

  • @joels5150
    @joels5150 Рік тому

    Lightsaber skills versus weaker/less skilled opponents are going to allow for more efficient/less energy expenditures. Just between the fight in AotC and RotS, it’s reasonable that both Anakin and Obi-Won became more skilled individually, and adept as a duo. Also, it’s plausible and even likely Palpatine found a way to influence the fight in the latter battle. Age/weariness or even a secret sickness could account for diminished ability, and in a fight to the death, it doesn’t take much to affect the outcome.

  • @ScholteimReinbachIII
    @ScholteimReinbachIII 11 місяців тому

    In RotS, Anakin said his power doubled since they last met...