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I like that there's a potential ally in Vesper Station's AI considering she isn't exactly Clovis Bray's biggest fan, and rightly so (not a large metric to pass there but still).
I can see her and Elsie becoming fast friends perhaps. Both lost people they cared about to Clovis’ ego. Both were powerless to prevent tragedy, and both go over all the things they could’ve done differently, if at all. She’d also want revenge for Rasputin and Soteria. Clovis had a hand in their deaths. Even though Eramis was a tool used by Xivu to force Rasputin’s hand. Clovis and Xivu will be at the top of the hit list. If Maya doesn’t kill his first. She wasn’t a fan of him either.
Honestly that just brought something up for me that I think a lot of people forget, did everyone in the lore just forget that Banshee is Clovis? Like the mfer is still alive but his AI copy is interacted with more nowadays. We had a whole season with the remaining Brays and Banshee was neglected like the child of an affair.
@@Lancersilva Banshee hated his past as Clovis and actively wanted to avoid remembering more about being him. I think he gets left out of Bray things, because he wouldn't want to become involved anyways.
Yeah definitely. Bungie killed it with the atmospheric storytelling in this dungeon. I hadn't seen the vex thing that was broken out of the containment chamber with the cables going toward it. Great catch.
THIS is the kind of mystery Destiny has been missing for a while. A situation so alien, so complex, and so foreboding that we simply have to put together any kind of leads we have and let our imaginations run wild. Best story in any dungeon by far.
@@thealldayspecial AI were designed to work or make work easier, not to be poets. Dr. Bray was a businessman, and poetry does not produce return on investment. Thank the Traveler Ana Bray was in charge of Rasputin.
The people on the other side of the Anomaly…it’s the Jovians. Xurs species. Little known fact, in D1 Grimoire it’s revealed that Xur is a “Jovian” and Petra Venge often theorized that he was “the repurposed corpse of a European Colonist…but there’s no known evidence of Colonies on Europa.” (This is ironic as they gave us this second bit of info in the Beyond Light Collectors Edition Lore) A very fascinating bit of dialogue Xur can say it “We saw the Colony fall, not knowing what we saw.” “The Awoken didn’t have a choice. *We did.”* “For Organic Life to survive it requires constant Adaptation.” “We came up from the Dust, and buried into flesh for warmth and became…something new.” “I feel that there are a great many consciousness impinging on mine.” “There are no birds where I come from…the things that fly…are like shadows.” To this day, we have never seen the other Jovians. They seem to have been survivors of the European Eventude Colony that the Nine struck a deal with. They survive, in exchange…their will is not their own. The Hive-Mind, collective consciousness. The Jovians, and by extension, the Nine are behind this I think. Oh and video starts at: 4:07
@@Beateauespecially since the whole reason they were keeping quiet was to wait and see if we'd beat the witness or if it would win and they'd be frozen alongside the universe, now we've won they can start their plans to uncouple themselves from our consciousnesses
Fun fact: there are special dialogues when entering the airlock at the very beginning of the dungeon when holding these weapons specifically (as of now, at least). No Braytech weapons seemed to work: Eyes of Tomorrow, Lament etc. It just worked with these three: Outbreak Perfected, Hierachy of Needs and Final Warning.
Outbreak Perfected: "You're contaminated with banned technology. Security will be alerted. Be more careful, all right?" Hierachy of Needs: "Interdicted machine intelligence. I don't understand, I don't understand." Final Warning: "Ishtar probe detected. Message from Dr. Bray reads: Corporate espionnage, Maya? I expected better from you"
@@SynerG The dialogue for the weapons changes when you complete the questline and fully power up Vesper Central: Outbreak Perfected: "Warmind tech. I can finally reach out to you, and you're gone." Hierachy of Needs: "Is that Soteria? Talk to me, sister. Why won't you talk to me?" Final Warning: "Ishtar Collective circuitry. I've done some reading... I like this Dr. Sundaresh."
i love this kinda stuff, hope it happens with more weapons or armour like saint reacting to you wearing his helmet, my dream is titles but that would take so much rerecording and wouldn't be able to account for being replayed with a title not in the game yet so it would have to be for a specific one like calus reacting to shadows in lightfall, only i heard people who didn't have the title and some who didn't even play opulence got that dialogue anyway
been waiting with bated breath to finally get the lore on the new dungeon (the "Take off your helmets, breathe in" broadcast still makes me shiver to think about what happened there)
I have a feeling that the Lodi is the space shuttle race that we see in the concept art for Apollo. The literal name of the expansion IS Greek, the destination is made of electromagnetic LODE stones. They seem to be worshipping wrecked space crafts AND seem to be channeling some different form of arc energy during their ceremony. The alternate coloration of arc energy could be their manipulation of polarity, which also ties into the entire electromagnetism of lodestones.
@@Hunter0623 all good bro just want ppl who wanna be blind stay blind; but on the topic with this direction story and lore wise I’m very excited and will be checking out the future ahead. Stay safe🫡
My favorite theory on what’s on the other side is a new type of vex mind, I know it doesn’t sound that big but remember the last episode’s lore tab about how the vex network worked and think about how while the conductor is giving each vex a mind of its own, this vex mind is able to amalgamated the fallen into a hivemind of its own
@@icarusrising2787what if the vex minds we encount in the past were just lower rank minds and there are higher ranks vex minds with powerful vex armies that can make us cease to exist with a snap of a finger
With all the lore on Vex, and Maya lately, I’d like to see a future Vex-themed episode, but leaning more into the Neomuni. Maybe Clovis escapes to the cyber city and kicks off a civil war of all Vex Collectives, and him in the middle, vs Maya. While we defend Neumoni and the Ishtar Collective in the CloudArk, and the Vex Network. While we go on to finally meet some of the last skeptic Neomuni that still clings to distrusting isolationism and old traditions: The Neomuni City council. We haven’t exactly met Neomuna’s proper leaders, and it’d be a neat opportunity to see their reaction to the city’s dark truth. And maybe, we discover the Vex Mind that ocrastrated such a violent civil war: the vex mind that kidnapped a whole generation of Neomuni kids. It’s written in the lore, and it’d be interesting to see the Vex, Clovis, Maya, and others’ story come to a head.
@@trial_with_an_error9687 They had also cooked with The Glykon quite a while ago with Presage, glad they did it at a much bigger scope this time around.
@@BrazarBthey need to utilize that stuff way more. What if Mithrax’s cybernetics were upgraded by the Quicksilver Nanites? What if survivors of the Devil Splicers found them and used them to create a powerful new machine cult?
@@JSmirkingRevengebut that's more of a side effect of the anomaly being built rather than its own separate dedicated thing like siva, the quicksilver literally being old siva does make more sense as a comparison being nanites controlled by something
Remember that concept art for codename apollo? the one with what seems to be a remnant of humanity? starting to think we got the message from them, and they might be OUTSIDE of the Sol System, which is probably why it needed a relay so massive. maybe they've been trying to send out that message ever since the traveler reawakened, sending out that wave through the galaxy. clearly they understood how to interface with the Eliskni exo frames, which means whoever sent the message and was the hivemind UNDERSTOOD the technology. it's called Codename: Frontiers after all. it leads me to believe that the "Frontier" is BEYOND the Sol System.
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Honestly given what learned about the nature of The Veiled Statues from The Final Shape...I suspect that Clarity Control is the possible culprit...or the consciousness inside of it. Remember, we fought Atraks-1 inside a chamber to the one holding Clarity Control, and it seems her transformation to an Exo happened in this chamber alone. Then keep in mind that Clarity Control sent Clovis to built a Vex gate similar to the one built by the Corrupted Puppeteer above Europa. The Clovis AI also refers to Clarity Control as coming from "another dimension"...when The Witness and the Penitent are beings of this universe/dimension. I think there is something very different in function and purpose Clarity Control had to the other Veiled Statues.
Yeah I'm still not convinced it was the witness speaking to Clovis, Calus and the Sol Divisive. I think some or all three were actually contacted by the Winnower or something else even more alien as you're saying
Has anyone walked through the initial scan on Vesper Station in a full set of Spacewalk Gear? "Your gear is out of order." maybe hint to something, especially considering the little flavor v/o when you walk in with Outbreak Perfected.
2 theories 1: its an alternate universe where the vex can comprehend omnipotence and either gain control of the light or are are lightbearers themselves (which could explain why the arc through the portal is of a different color, cause its an alternate arc from an alternate universe) 2: its one of the failed alternate universes/timelines that is chasing Elsie bray (possibly her sister Ana bray). She feels betrayed in one of the timelines that Elsie doesnt teach Ana stasis and in the end learns it herself and kills Elsie in that timeline. It can be possible that they also won against the witness but that lead them to making a portals to see through time and look at other branches that has failed/won against the witness.
i think an interesting thing to note is throughout the wires in the dungeon there seems to be an abundance of "eggs" on the walls and ceilings; it's one of the parts of the dungeon that unnerved me the most because i have no idea why they even are part of the architecture. the rings make sense, the whole vex portal/relay stuff but the eggs/pods are unnerving to me..
Makes me think those pods are how the white captain expands its limbs. I dunno they feel very spider like, wrapping its victims in silk of wires and cables in order to slowly override their minds
i honestly feel so stupid finidng out that the response was right in front of us after talking with my friends about how disappointed i was that the response wasn't anywhere to be found
I rabidly searched UA-cam to see if someone else had uploaded it... I am amazed that I couldn't find anything... Like... Skarrow, bless him, solved a bunch of binary code and unlocked a 25 solution puzzle for the Icebreaker catalyst. I did the equivalent of finding my glasses on my own face... :b
To be fair there is no marker to point it out but it does open up the possibility there might be more like that out in the dungeon somewhere we will have to keep an eye out if there is any more.
@@MynameisByf I have finished all of the dungeon besides getting the icebreaker, even have the caty from a rando doing the puzzle while running it with me. I have actively looked at that console because I noticed the datapad that you interact with to get that line, its like those that sit around the puzzles when they spawn in but aren't solved yet, but I never got the option to collect it. it might be that its glitchy like many other things in the dungeon are. It could also be that some people have collected it and not understood what it is, like if they are early on in their quest but the message spawns because someone else in the team is at the point where it should spawn for them. Thus they collect it but don't have the full context of all the dialog and forget it. I am not entirely sure if that happened to me honestly, I might have hit it, not heard it over the sounds of combat and then forgotten about it due to me focusing on combat as I vaguely think I did get a button interaction in that room but can't remember what it did. so I'm not sure if I'm thinking I remember it due to this video or if I really did collect it and just got so focused on the fight that now I don't really remember it
@@wolffang-vz2ty Same here. I only realized after watching this. I remember thinking wait I don't remember there being a datapad here to collect and then hearing the words 'moonsick' and 'odysseus' and I was confused and asked my friend if he got new dialog (we completed all the other puzzles and this time loaded in with Outbreak on to hear the alternate dialog when walking through the first airlock). We were all talking over each other as my friend was telling the other guy about the puzzles he (his first run through) will have to do once the bugs are fixed or with a fresh team. Chalked it up to me not listening closely to the dialog because I always wait for Byf's videos for the lore.
I just finished playing Dead Space just before the dungeon released, and when i went into it for the first time it felt like i just jump back into the USG Ishimura.
Wait... "Spinners"? Corruption from possible poison/venom? Possible unknown entity? 8-eyed Eliksni?... Wasn't there "giant 'spider-like'" creatures talk from that Hunter Helmet from Lightfall???
The message comes from those people they showed in the concept art in the live stream. Edit: my reasons are as follows: 1: Lodi is the name of a city irl so this "Incomprehensible destination" could be called 'Lodi' as well, also the way they described the new destination matches the 'Incomprehensible' part. 2: Moonsick, adrift refers to the conditions in which those people live. 3: Odysseus as Byf mentioned is kind of hinting at some type of voyage to the unknown hence the code name of the next saga is Frontieres.
Clovis Bray didn’t make the Anomaly. Atraks and her Fallen Hive-mind built it. The Station ai wasn’t talking about Clovis building the Anomaly. Also Imo, if there was ever a missed opportunity for SIVA, this is it. In lore, right after the failed heist of Outbreak Perfected, Atraks (still fallen at this time) tells Eramis that “I still see what the House of Devils can be” they could have used that. Can you imagine Atraks-1 enhanced by SIVA? That would be the coolest thing ever. Also, i think the reason why Atraks “prime” body looks so damaged is because she survived the crash of the Morning Star Orbital Facility. It damaged her and maybe even warped her mind. I hope we see her again someday. Oh, and video starts at: 4:07
I think the Odysseus protocol is the most important part of the reply. Odysseus was the famous greek figure, that came up with the idea of the Trojan horse in the Trojan war. That to me really could open a can of worms as to the nature of that protocol.
@lukatosic09 Exactly, feels like the message that was sent out awoke someone/something and allowed a connection to send a message back, and who knows what else
I wonder if with this Echo that Fikrul has, there is MORE than one "Survivor" of the Witness's depredations? Maybe there is another, to whom the Vesper Dungeon alludes to?
This entire situation reminds me of the situation on the Glycon, several years ago. The cables and egrigore, the hivemind and the Crown of Sorrow, the Eliksni and the Scorn... Am I the only one seeing these parallels? Edit: I have a theory, regarding the response sent through the Anomaly. This seems human at first glance... but what if it isn't? What if it's something _imitating_ a human vessel in an attempt to do... something. It reminds me of a little trick that tigers have, that being the ability to _mimic the calls of other animals._ Just a thought.
Yknow what, wild guess, but what if it’s Durandal? The Nine have the ability to see into Marathon, Myth, and Halo, which is the canonical explanation for the Bungie anniversary weapons, they’re adaptations of objects the nine saw in other realms, and have created for Xur to hand out as prizes. At least two Mida weapons, minitool and Multitool, have been brought into Destiny’s universe, most likely by the Ishtar collective experimenting with dimensional travel. So what if the Anomaly is Durandal going “GUESS WHO ESCAPED HEAT DEATH?”
@@MynameisByf on god, really hoping we get even a brief reference to it with Marathon on the horizon, even better if it turns out to be the big bad of the new saga. I really want some eldritch nightmare puppeteers we have no hope of even harming, let alone killing
There a possibility that vesper central could be taken or transferred to a drive so we can reconnect her to the helm system like FailSafe. Although maybe she want to stay to monitor the situation in vesper station but we can’t leave her alone here. Besides the possibility of story if she is willing to help us with the echo situation or hell maybe reintroduce her to Clovis so she can “have a nice chat with him”
I just remembered "Hello, World" is commonly known as the most basic code most programmers would learn. I really hope this is somehow connected to the message sent and the response.
Well, if I were to hazard a guess. I think I know the intent of this Lodi entity: to come back to Sol. The Odysseus protocol is making me think that the goal is to return home, as was the goal of Odysseus in the Odyssey. As for what unseen hand could be moving pieces…I want to guess Nezarek may be a suspect as he is afflicting Missraks-Kell with his curse and he did promise he would return. But, I honestly believe that there are too many unknowns to be certain and that exploring this dungeon and the entire ‘season’ as a whole is going to be the best way to figure this out.
The energy around this dungeon reminds me a lot of "The Tomb" from the Three Body Problem series. A beacon left by a long lost higher dimension civilization that reached out to ours and left a distress call. Vesper's host has a beacon being built to reach out to something "incomprehensible", and the only thing we know about it is a distress call.. In the book series, it was a mistake brought through dimensional decay. Here it seems intentional.
I'm getting a feeling we may use the anomaly for universe ranged communication to contact various races and lost humanity who have traveled outside Sol pre-collapse. This is a setup and a beginning to Destiny 2 era of Frontiers. Clovis experimented with vex hoping to control it for closer observation. I heard that vex code may have jumped to Atraks which allows her to get corrupted and influenced, she is the first Eliksni exo and it is not same as human exo. They built the anomaly, and the eliksni rejoice, this is unlikely vex influenced but rather someone entirely alien may have controlled some vex that Clovis took for experimentation, intended to build the anomaly since vex have access to countless world I have theorized the one who controls intended to build telephones around the universe, Solar system by solar system but why built to communicate?
You know, I recall that one of the species the Cabal dominated was something that lived as creatures inside of ARC energy. I dont remember it off the top of my head but it would be interesting if this was bungie deciding to start using that faction.
Is it just me or does the corrupted Atrax head look a bit like a cabal? Here is an idea: What if somehow, some remnant of Calus is still at work here. He was killed right under the Veil after all. Maybe his mind got somehow sucked into it. and than there is that almost organic look to the cableing. When i first saw it i thought it might be some kind of Egregore. And then the entire puppet theming as well, to which he isn`t a stranger either. It is a reaaaaaly long shot, but hes also always been very excessive. Building a giant interdimensional phone could kinda fit as well.
Oh, so you know... there's also a small thing of alternate dialogue before the first encounter when you have Outbreak Perfected when you start the dungeon. Try it out... I got it to work for me
Imagine in the years to come, this is how they bring Durandal back as a Bungie villain. There could be some member of the story team watching this right now going “Damn it Byf you got it in one”
You can also tell that whatever is on the other side of the anomaly is human related because their initial message used the phrase “Hello World”, to test whether or not the message has gone through. “Hello World” is a phrase often used in software or hardware testing by HUMAN engineers. It would be a stretch to think anything not related to, or created by human would be on the other side.
The behavior of these Salvation/Fallen Vagrants reminds me of a human group of the Last of Us 2. When a band of "WLF" ambushed Ellie's hijacked workstation, but if you somehow are able to escape and return without being seen then listen in on their casual conversations and find out that this group are deserters because they wanted to leave from the "Slaughter" or something, I forgot the specifics.
rasputin is dead and the nine are currently unable to move since they are the living dark matter of the nine planets in our solar system brought to life by our consciousnesses so i doubt it since one being out there would mean that there's actually ten, and the whole reason they exist and one of them let ghaul into our system by blinding our satellites is because they want to be free from us and exist as beings without us and it thought they could succeed in this if ghaul won (although the other members disagreed with this method because if we died, so do the nine)
35:34 My theory has always been that Raniks is a servitor(s) that has integrated Replication Orb tech that Atrix-1 possessed in DSC, given how its shed servitors despawn with a purple glow. This tech may have gone rampant due to the same virus that infects our augments. My second theory is that the Corrupted Puppeteer could have arrived from the replication orbs we tossed out the Morningstar’s airlock, but the Vesper AI confirmed that the Morningstar’s debris field broke quarantine. Either way its a System Shock 2 plot where the consequences of our previous actions lead to this.
In the programmer world, "Hello World!" tends to be a default text string used while testing something, especially on the first run of new code language or a new framework. This may be another clue for the message received from the anomaly to be of human origin
Given Odysseus protocol, I would assume the signal comes from a Braytech exploratory team/vessel and the "Hello World" ping was like a lighthouse guiding them home
I just want more Clovis Bray, Bray family involved in this next destiny story. It has so much potential, really (like, he's still sitting on Europa). My favorite topics, and StrategOS of course
It's likely that Karrho *was* integrated and Atraks was using him as bait, with more "processing power" being used on bringing Yaraksis closer. It's a common theme in these kinds of stories where one corrupted (potentially close to the mc) is positioned in a way where they can bring the mc into the fold/into the villains hands easier then mobbing them. The lore tab never says anything about his eyes or about the Marauder sounding strange so that chance is still open
Odysseus protocol soundslike getting to a location preferably home, so maybe Lodi IS a vessel or an AI on the otherside of the anomalie which is trying to get home (to europa/us)
Whatever Lodi is, it's adrift in space somewhere and it's experiencing some form of madness. Maybe from the crew or AI? The "Odysseus protocol" likely is in reference to Odysseus' long journey back home to Ithaca. Maybe this madness was caused by something that Lodi picked up on its journey and that is what caused it to become adrift. Perhaps the message was a "ping" of sorts that would lead Lodi back home. Whatever this madness is aboard Lodi, and presumably the same that infected the Eliksni, is coming back to Sol...
I think it'd be super interesting if Lodi was the ship AI of the Yang Liwei, Exodus Green left long stranded after its inhabitants slipped the bonds of this dimension.
If we're assuming the reply from the Anomaly came from a rampant human-made AI, Lodi, while we haven't encountered one yet, we've seen evidence that it *can* happen. The Spire of the Watcher where we find Soteria was built to be a kind of prison for rampant/rogue AI. Soteria wasn't rampant, but her forced launch of the exo lifeboats to presumably Neomuna at the approach of the Black Fleet prompted the human operators to imprison her in the Spire. It's Warmind tech that acts as a kind of digital black hole for an AI, sucking in their active cognitive processes from computer and communications systems across the solar system. For something that extreme to be built, you'd have to think that Braytech expected something very extreme to potentially happen to at least Rasputin or his subminds.
46:34 That piece of dialogue isn't available for me. I'm guessing maybe it's not there if Vesper Central regains control? Although that feels unintentional if so and a lot of people are going to miss it.
It would be fascinating if the being within Maya's Echo is the cause of Vesper's host and Bungie is setting up for the vex to be remade as an emotional hive mind made of messy wires and orange lighting
More than well worth the wait 🔥🔥. My theory is that the thing that corrupted the Puppeteer was one of Clovis's AI residual mind transfered persona's trying to accomplish his goal. Although during the fight Clovis would brag and gloat like we all know him too, but for this situation, he may have been unable to communicate through the Puppeteer's frame.
We pissed giant head clovis off several times and he's just been sitting in a semi functional facility brooding so that would make sense that he's up to something and pretty on par with his character to not have disclosed all the tools in his box. If I'm not mistaken, there was still an exodus ship unaccounted for wasn't there?
Can't believe you didn't bring back the communication device that the hive used to contact Crota in D1. Very similar vibes. Your ending could have had a hypothesis about destiny frontiers as well.
There is also the name Lodi. It is a name from Norse mythology, specifically the poem Voluspa. In it, he's portrayed as animating the first human. Possible Clovis Bray Exo reference? Could it be that Clovis was attempting reaching out to an alternate timeline/simulation through the Anomaly itselt?
ive been nodding “hmmm sounds cool”. i literally know nothing about destiny 2 lore. nothing makes sense but this was damn good at keeping my brain together and focused
Hear me out: the comms array functions as *intended* for the hivemind. But the end reply is *not* whom they were building it for. Rather, it's an old distress call from another Exodus ship. In other words, coincidence that we picked up another possible colony. I suspect Bungie isn't quite ready to tell us about the motives of this new mind-think entity, as I don't think this is Vex in origin, either.
With all the immortal, seemingly unlikable enemies running around, us Guardians are going to have to break the stalemate with the Hive, enemy light-bearers, Nezarec, Atraks, and Fikrul, by finding a way to erase them from existence/reality. How else do we permanently end them if they can’t die? The advantage we had of paracusality, is now an even(ish) playing field.
So I don't personally play destiny any more, but love the lore still, and had a couple thoughts. What if whatever caused Lodi's "moonsick" status is the same corruption that formed the White Captain Hivemind? Maybe that's why Lodi is adrift as well, the crew was no longer piloting the shop, instead part of a separate "limb" of the corruption, still able to communicate with the main entity, but not able to hear or speak to the Eliksni "limb"
What I think is on the other side of the portal, that “Anomaly”, is either: The Winnower, or the plane in which it/he resides. Or, it’s related to the Forge Star, and where the Vex come from.
5:21 That comment about got me thinking of a possible parasite race that mutates light bearers. Just me brainstorming if Destiny 3 was some kind of new generation or new galaxy story.
There’s a town by where I live called Lodi, there are a couple in the US and in Italy. A lot of names of towns around here are Native American so I was curious, didn’t find much but it was pointed out that “Lodi” is the inverse of the word “Idol”, so maybe they’re someone we don’t want to meet?
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Thanks but I most certainly am not doing that
Also: Clovis Bray did not build the Anomaly. The Fallen did.
A whole new back? I really needed a new spine, thanks!
Lodi is Idol spelled backwards.
Odysseus is apparently credited with the plan for the Trojan horse.
ALL HAIL THE SNAIL!
clovis: wanna see me build a vex construct?
_dozens to hundreds of people die_
clovis: wanna see me do it again?
We need to delete that scum once and for all
ah clovis breaking the geneva conventions daily some things never change
I like that there's a potential ally in Vesper Station's AI considering she isn't exactly Clovis Bray's biggest fan, and rightly so (not a large metric to pass there but still).
I can see her and Elsie becoming fast friends perhaps. Both lost people they cared about to Clovis’ ego. Both were powerless to prevent tragedy, and both go over all the things they could’ve done differently, if at all. She’d also want revenge for Rasputin and Soteria. Clovis had a hand in their deaths. Even though Eramis was a tool used by Xivu to force Rasputin’s hand. Clovis and Xivu will be at the top of the hit list. If Maya doesn’t kill his first. She wasn’t a fan of him either.
Honestly that just brought something up for me that I think a lot of people forget, did everyone in the lore just forget that Banshee is Clovis? Like the mfer is still alive but his AI copy is interacted with more nowadays. We had a whole season with the remaining Brays and Banshee was neglected like the child of an affair.
@@Lancersilva Banshee hated his past as Clovis and actively wanted to avoid remembering more about being him. I think he gets left out of Bray things, because he wouldn't want to become involved anyways.
@@radarhead82 he may just force another rest if remembers his past as Clovis
Seems to be a pattern. Rasputin certainly didn't like him and I think Soltaria wasn't exactly his biggest fan either.
You know a dungeon is meaty when we getting an almost hour long video for it. Bungie's narrative team deadass cooked.
First time in awhile and I'm so here for it
Yeah definitely. Bungie killed it with the atmospheric storytelling in this dungeon. I hadn't seen the vex thing that was broken out of the containment chamber with the cables going toward it. Great catch.
Wild that a dungeon has more lore and better story than the entirety of the first episode.
mostly because it seems we actually have something unequivocally new
deadass fr fr no cap ong
THIS is the kind of mystery Destiny has been missing for a while. A situation so alien, so complex, and so foreboding that we simply have to put together any kind of leads we have and let our imaginations run wild. Best story in any dungeon by far.
All that and I still can't believe they decided to call it the Anomaly.
@@thealldayspecial AI were designed to work or make work easier, not to be poets. Dr. Bray was a businessman, and poetry does not produce return on investment. Thank the Traveler Ana Bray was in charge of Rasputin.
@@thealldayspecialnow we have 2 anomalies on 2 moons lol
We literally just had the witness what are you on about
The people on the other side of the Anomaly…it’s the Jovians. Xurs species. Little known fact, in D1 Grimoire it’s revealed that Xur is a “Jovian” and Petra Venge often theorized that he was “the repurposed corpse of a European Colonist…but there’s no known evidence of Colonies on Europa.” (This is ironic as they gave us this second bit of info in the Beyond Light Collectors Edition Lore)
A very fascinating bit of dialogue Xur can say it “We saw the Colony fall, not knowing what we saw.”
“The Awoken didn’t have a choice. *We did.”*
“For Organic Life to survive it requires constant Adaptation.”
“We came up from the Dust, and buried into flesh for warmth and became…something new.”
“I feel that there are a great many consciousness impinging on mine.”
“There are no birds where I come from…the things that fly…are like shadows.”
To this day, we have never seen the other Jovians. They seem to have been survivors of the European Eventude Colony that the Nine struck a deal with. They survive, in exchange…their will is not their own. The Hive-Mind, collective consciousness. The Jovians, and by extension, the Nine are behind this I think. Oh and video starts at: 4:07
Also, the wires remind me of the tentacles making up Xur's face
Honestly, it's about time Bungie brought the Nine back into the picture.
i hope byf will read this comment
@@Beateauespecially since the whole reason they were keeping quiet was to wait and see if we'd beat the witness or if it would win and they'd be frozen alongside the universe, now we've won they can start their plans to uncouple themselves from our consciousnesses
Fun fact: there are special dialogues when entering the airlock at the very beginning of the dungeon when holding these weapons specifically (as of now, at least). No Braytech weapons seemed to work: Eyes of Tomorrow, Lament etc. It just worked with these three: Outbreak Perfected, Hierachy of Needs and Final Warning.
Outbreak Perfected: "You're contaminated with banned technology. Security will be alerted. Be more careful, all right?"
Hierachy of Needs: "Interdicted machine intelligence. I don't understand, I don't understand."
Final Warning: "Ishtar probe detected. Message from Dr. Bray reads: Corporate espionnage, Maya? I expected better from you"
@@SynerG The dialogue for the weapons changes when you complete the questline and fully power up Vesper Central:
Outbreak Perfected: "Warmind tech. I can finally reach out to you, and you're gone."
Hierachy of Needs: "Is that Soteria? Talk to me, sister. Why won't you talk to me?"
Final Warning: "Ishtar Collective circuitry. I've done some reading... I like this Dr. Sundaresh."
i love this kinda stuff, hope it happens with more weapons or armour like saint reacting to you wearing his helmet, my dream is titles but that would take so much rerecording and wouldn't be able to account for being replayed with a title not in the game yet so it would have to be for a specific one like calus reacting to shadows in lightfall, only i heard people who didn't have the title and some who didn't even play opulence got that dialogue anyway
Bungo saw Byf's video complaining about not enough lore in raids and dungeons and took it personally
That's what I was thinking when I saw the lore cards.
been waiting with bated breath to finally get the lore on the new dungeon (the "Take off your helmets, breathe in" broadcast still makes me shiver to think about what happened there)
The wires kinda remind of the wau’s stucture gel from soma. Just the way its embedded itself in the architecture gave me the chills.
Goated game mentioned?
I have a feeling that the Lodi is the space shuttle race that we see in the concept art for Apollo. The literal name of the expansion IS Greek, the destination is made of electromagnetic LODE stones. They seem to be worshipping wrecked space crafts AND seem to be channeling some different form of arc energy during their ceremony. The alternate coloration of arc energy could be their manipulation of polarity, which also ties into the entire electromagnetism of lodestones.
@@Hunter0623spoilers brother delete for ppl who don’t know pls
@@Hunter0623delete this 🙏
@@Shushifvr Deleting, sorry
@@Hunter0623 all good bro just want ppl who wanna be blind stay blind; but on the topic with this direction story and lore wise I’m very excited and will be checking out the future ahead. Stay safe🫡
@@Shushifvrok now I'm curious
My favorite theory on what’s on the other side is a new type of vex mind, I know it doesn’t sound that big but remember the last episode’s lore tab about how the vex network worked and think about how while the conductor is giving each vex a mind of its own, this vex mind is able to amalgamated the fallen into a hivemind of its own
Fr i was thinking the same and I hope the higher vex minds or whatever is on the other side of the looking glass keeps the lovecraftian vibe
Interesting. Maybe this mind is reaching out to reel in the Choral collective.
@@icarusrising2787what if the vex minds we encount in the past were just lower rank minds and there are higher ranks vex minds with powerful vex armies that can make us cease to exist with a snap of a finger
With all the lore on Vex, and Maya lately, I’d like to see a future Vex-themed episode, but leaning more into the Neomuni. Maybe Clovis escapes to the cyber city and kicks off a civil war of all Vex Collectives, and him in the middle, vs Maya. While we defend Neumoni and the Ishtar Collective in the CloudArk, and the Vex Network. While we go on to finally meet some of the last skeptic Neomuni that still clings to distrusting isolationism and old traditions: The Neomuni City council. We haven’t exactly met Neomuna’s proper leaders, and it’d be a neat opportunity to see their reaction to the city’s dark truth. And maybe, we discover the Vex Mind that ocrastrated such a violent civil war: the vex mind that kidnapped a whole generation of Neomuni kids. It’s written in the lore, and it’d be interesting to see the Vex, Clovis, Maya, and others’ story come to a head.
@garrettviewegh9028 As long as we don't have to deal with Nimbus the entire time, that'd be pretty interesting.
Its very Dead Space-like and I love it. We need more derelict ghost ships and space stations in Destiny
@@trial_with_an_error9687 They had also cooked with The Glykon quite a while ago with Presage, glad they did it at a much bigger scope this time around.
Babe wake up Bungie’s SIVA replacement dropped
Technically we already have one, Cloudstrider tech is a more advanced form of Siva, so advanced it makes Siva obsolete iirc
@@BrazarBOP probably means some type or virus or infection rather than a direct nano tech replacement
@@BrazarBthey need to utilize that stuff way more. What if Mithrax’s cybernetics were upgraded by the Quicksilver Nanites? What if survivors of the Devil Splicers found them and used them to create a powerful new machine cult?
Bite your tongue Heretic.
@@JSmirkingRevengebut that's more of a side effect of the anomaly being built rather than its own separate dedicated thing like siva, the quicksilver literally being old siva does make more sense as a comparison being nanites controlled by something
Remember that concept art for codename apollo? the one with what seems to be a remnant of humanity? starting to think we got the message from them, and they might be OUTSIDE of the Sol System, which is probably why it needed a relay so massive. maybe they've been trying to send out that message ever since the traveler reawakened, sending out that wave through the galaxy. clearly they understood how to interface with the Eliskni exo frames, which means whoever sent the message and was the hivemind UNDERSTOOD the technology. it's called Codename: Frontiers after all. it leads me to believe that the "Frontier" is BEYOND the Sol System.
also I wish I knew who likes comments because I can't tell if it's Byf or literally anyone else in this comment section lmao
@@astrowolf04 when the account that owns a video likes or replies to some comment in their comment section it shows their profile pic next to the likes or the replies button
Honestly given what learned about the nature of The Veiled Statues from The Final Shape...I suspect that Clarity Control is the possible culprit...or the consciousness inside of it.
Remember, we fought Atraks-1 inside a chamber to the one holding Clarity Control, and it seems her transformation to an Exo happened in this chamber alone.
Then keep in mind that Clarity Control sent Clovis to built a Vex gate similar to the one built by the Corrupted Puppeteer above Europa.
The Clovis AI also refers to Clarity Control as coming from "another dimension"...when The Witness and the Penitent are beings of this universe/dimension.
I think there is something very different in function and purpose Clarity Control had to the other Veiled Statues.
Yeah I'm still not convinced it was the witness speaking to Clovis, Calus and the Sol Divisive. I think some or all three were actually contacted by the Winnower or something else even more alien as you're saying
Has anyone walked through the initial scan on Vesper Station in a full set of Spacewalk Gear?
"Your gear is out of order." maybe hint to something, especially considering the little flavor v/o when you walk in with Outbreak Perfected.
You'll likely also need a full set including the dungeon weapons. Because it's gear. Not just Armor.
2 theories
1: its an alternate universe where the vex can comprehend omnipotence and either gain control of the light or are are lightbearers themselves (which could explain why the arc through the portal is of a different color, cause its an alternate arc from an alternate universe)
2: its one of the failed alternate universes/timelines that is chasing Elsie bray (possibly her sister Ana bray). She feels betrayed in one of the timelines that Elsie doesnt teach Ana stasis and in the end learns it herself and kills Elsie in that timeline. It can be possible that they also won against the witness but that lead them to making a portals to see through time and look at other branches that has failed/won against the witness.
i think an interesting thing to note is throughout the wires in the dungeon there seems to be an abundance of "eggs" on the walls and ceilings; it's one of the parts of the dungeon that unnerved me the most because i have no idea why they even are part of the architecture. the rings make sense, the whole vex portal/relay stuff but the eggs/pods are unnerving to me..
It looks like a spiders nest…not very vex like
@@talia_al_gabagool i agree
Makes me think those pods are how the white captain expands its limbs. I dunno they feel very spider like, wrapping its victims in silk of wires and cables in order to slowly override their minds
Could be the eggs of baby fallen
i honestly feel so stupid finidng out that the response was right in front of us after talking with my friends about how disappointed i was that the response wasn't anywhere to be found
I rabidly searched UA-cam to see if someone else had uploaded it... I am amazed that I couldn't find anything...
Like... Skarrow, bless him, solved a bunch of binary code and unlocked a 25 solution puzzle for the Icebreaker catalyst. I did the equivalent of finding my glasses on my own face... :b
To be fair there is no marker to point it out but it does open up the possibility there might be more like that out in the dungeon somewhere we will have to keep an eye out if there is any more.
@@MynameisByf I have finished all of the dungeon besides getting the icebreaker, even have the caty from a rando doing the puzzle while running it with me. I have actively looked at that console because I noticed the datapad that you interact with to get that line, its like those that sit around the puzzles when they spawn in but aren't solved yet, but I never got the option to collect it. it might be that its glitchy like many other things in the dungeon are.
It could also be that some people have collected it and not understood what it is, like if they are early on in their quest but the message spawns because someone else in the team is at the point where it should spawn for them. Thus they collect it but don't have the full context of all the dialog and forget it.
I am not entirely sure if that happened to me honestly, I might have hit it, not heard it over the sounds of combat and then forgotten about it due to me focusing on combat as I vaguely think I did get a button interaction in that room but can't remember what it did. so I'm not sure if I'm thinking I remember it due to this video or if I really did collect it and just got so focused on the fight that now I don't really remember it
@@wolffang-vz2ty Same here. I only realized after watching this. I remember thinking wait I don't remember there being a datapad here to collect and then hearing the words 'moonsick' and 'odysseus' and I was confused and asked my friend if he got new dialog (we completed all the other puzzles and this time loaded in with Outbreak on to hear the alternate dialog when walking through the first airlock). We were all talking over each other as my friend was telling the other guy about the puzzles he (his first run through) will have to do once the bugs are fixed or with a fresh team. Chalked it up to me not listening closely to the dialog because I always wait for Byf's videos for the lore.
I just finished playing Dead Space just before the dungeon released, and when i went into it for the first time it felt like i just jump back into the USG Ishimura.
Wait... "Spinners"? Corruption from possible poison/venom? Possible unknown entity? 8-eyed Eliksni?... Wasn't there "giant 'spider-like'" creatures talk from that Hunter Helmet from Lightfall???
The message comes from those people they showed in the concept art in the live stream.
Edit: my reasons are as follows:
1: Lodi is the name of a city irl so this "Incomprehensible destination" could be called 'Lodi' as well, also the way they described the new destination matches the 'Incomprehensible' part.
2: Moonsick, adrift refers to the conditions in which those people live.
3: Odysseus as Byf mentioned is kind of hinting at some type of voyage to the unknown hence the code name of the next saga is Frontieres.
Clovis Bray didn’t make the Anomaly. Atraks and her Fallen Hive-mind built it. The Station ai wasn’t talking about Clovis building the Anomaly.
Also Imo, if there was ever a missed opportunity for SIVA, this is it. In lore, right after the failed heist of Outbreak Perfected, Atraks (still fallen at this time) tells Eramis that “I still see what the House of Devils can be” they could have used that. Can you imagine Atraks-1 enhanced by SIVA? That would be the coolest thing ever.
Also, i think the reason why Atraks “prime” body looks so damaged is because she survived the crash of the Morning Star Orbital Facility. It damaged her and maybe even warped her mind. I hope we see her again someday.
Oh, and video starts at: 4:07
I think the Odysseus protocol is the most important part of the reply. Odysseus was the famous greek figure, that came up with the idea of the Trojan horse in the Trojan war. That to me really could open a can of worms as to the nature of that protocol.
Oh shit we may have just let a trojan horse into the system somehow
@lukatosic09 Exactly, feels like the message that was sent out awoke someone/something and allowed a connection to send a message back, and who knows what else
Could also be a reference to the Odyssey and him returning home.
I wonder if with this Echo that Fikrul has, there is MORE than one "Survivor" of the Witness's depredations? Maybe there is another, to whom the Vesper Dungeon alludes to?
This entire situation reminds me of the situation on the Glycon, several years ago. The cables and egrigore, the hivemind and the Crown of Sorrow, the Eliksni and the Scorn... Am I the only one seeing these parallels?
Edit: I have a theory, regarding the response sent through the Anomaly. This seems human at first glance... but what if it isn't? What if it's something _imitating_ a human vessel in an attempt to do... something. It reminds me of a little trick that tigers have, that being the ability to _mimic the calls of other animals._
Just a thought.
Been looking forward to this!!
The Codename Apollo concept art shown on the Revenant stream showed what looked to be a human(?) civilization, maybe it's connected to this
Yknow what, wild guess, but what if it’s Durandal? The Nine have the ability to see into Marathon, Myth, and Halo, which is the canonical explanation for the Bungie anniversary weapons, they’re adaptations of objects the nine saw in other realms, and have created for Xur to hand out as prizes. At least two Mida weapons, minitool and Multitool, have been brought into Destiny’s universe, most likely by the Ishtar collective experimenting with dimensional travel.
So what if the Anomaly is Durandal going “GUESS WHO ESCAPED HEAT DEATH?”
50:05
W'rkncacnter awaits...
How based that shit would be.
Hey! Your new threat is a thing that can break reality and takes a nap in a star. Have fun 😅
@@MynameisByf If it's the W'rkncacnter, we're all going to be wishing for the Witness back
@@MynameisByf on god, really hoping we get even a brief reference to it with Marathon on the horizon, even better if it turns out to be the big bad of the new saga.
I really want some eldritch nightmare puppeteers we have no hope of even harming, let alone killing
There a possibility that vesper central could be taken or transferred to a drive so we can reconnect her to the helm system like FailSafe. Although maybe she want to stay to monitor the situation in vesper station but we can’t leave her alone here.
Besides the possibility of story if she is willing to help us with the echo situation or hell maybe reintroduce her to Clovis so she can “have a nice chat with him”
I just remembered "Hello, World" is commonly known as the most basic code most programmers would learn. I really hope this is somehow connected to the message sent and the response.
I thought the purple eyed corruption on atraks had to do with Fikrul. All the other fallen he turns undead have a purple-pink glow to their eyes.
Well, if I were to hazard a guess. I think I know the intent of this Lodi entity: to come back to Sol. The Odysseus protocol is making me think that the goal is to return home, as was the goal of Odysseus in the Odyssey.
As for what unseen hand could be moving pieces…I want to guess Nezarek may be a suspect as he is afflicting Missraks-Kell with his curse and he did promise he would return.
But, I honestly believe that there are too many unknowns to be certain and that exploring this dungeon and the entire ‘season’ as a whole is going to be the best way to figure this out.
I’ve been looking forward to this!
The energy around this dungeon reminds me a lot of "The Tomb" from the Three Body Problem series. A beacon left by a long lost higher dimension civilization that reached out to ours and left a distress call. Vesper's host has a beacon being built to reach out to something "incomprehensible", and the only thing we know about it is a distress call.. In the book series, it was a mistake brought through dimensional decay. Here it seems intentional.
Byf, you were the first to discover a new secret in the new Dungeon. Stand proud. You are strong, and wise.
I'm getting a feeling we may use the anomaly for universe ranged communication to contact various races and lost humanity who have traveled outside Sol pre-collapse.
This is a setup and a beginning to Destiny 2 era of Frontiers.
Clovis experimented with vex hoping to control it for closer observation. I heard that vex code may have jumped to Atraks which allows her to get corrupted and influenced, she is the first Eliksni exo and it is not same as human exo. They built the anomaly, and the eliksni rejoice, this is unlikely vex influenced but rather someone entirely alien may have controlled some vex that Clovis took for experimentation, intended to build the anomaly since vex have access to countless world I have theorized the one who controls intended to build telephones around the universe, Solar system by solar system but why built to communicate?
So having 8 eyes is consithered handsome in eliskni culture
This dungeon gives Massive Shrine to Oryx vibes. Love it
One thing that I found strange is that if you Bring Outbreak Perfected, you’ll get another secret message.
Anomaly:”Mushi Mushi.”
You know, I recall that one of the species the Cabal dominated was something that lived as creatures inside of ARC energy. I dont remember it off the top of my head but it would be interesting if this was bungie deciding to start using that faction.
Is it just me or does the corrupted Atrax head look a bit like a cabal? Here is an idea: What if somehow, some remnant of Calus is still at work here. He was killed right under the Veil after all. Maybe his mind got somehow sucked into it. and than there is that almost organic look to the cableing. When i first saw it i thought it might be some kind of Egregore. And then the entire puppet theming as well, to which he isn`t a stranger either. It is a reaaaaaly long shot, but hes also always been very excessive. Building a giant interdimensional phone could kinda fit as well.
Must be you, I don't really see it.
In the heart room, on a cart, there’s an interaction with a rack to “place” something, but nothing gets placed when interacting.
Oh, so you know... there's also a small thing of alternate dialogue before the first encounter when you have Outbreak Perfected when you start the dungeon. Try it out... I got it to work for me
I got a tiny theory that the person who responded could maybe be linked to the people we meet in Frontiers maybe the villain faction?
This is definitely going to be a lead into frontiers, like that one dungeon that sent us into light fall.
Alternate Rampancy.. sounds familiar like the logic plague from the Gravemind/the Flood
Babe wake up, hour-long Byf lore video dropped.
That's wild Byf, I have never seen that prompt, well done!
Imagine in the years to come, this is how they bring Durandal back as a Bungie villain. There could be some member of the story team watching this right now going “Damn it Byf you got it in one”
Can’t wait for the Anomaly to be communicating with the marathon universe
You can also tell that whatever is on the other side of the anomaly is human related because their initial message used the phrase “Hello World”, to test whether or not the message has gone through. “Hello World” is a phrase often used in software or hardware testing by HUMAN engineers. It would be a stretch to think anything not related to, or created by human would be on the other side.
The behavior of these Salvation/Fallen Vagrants reminds me of a human group of the Last of Us 2. When a band of "WLF" ambushed Ellie's hijacked workstation, but if you somehow are able to escape and return without being seen then listen in on their casual conversations and find out that this group are deserters because they wanted to leave from the "Slaughter" or something, I forgot the specifics.
The “Hello world” coming from a humanoid voice could be that race of people in Apollo. All of this lore is setting up the big saga.
BYF YOU’RE THE BEST!!! I’m on an 8 hour drive and was really wishing you had a video on Vesper. Perfect timing.
1 I love the Vesper Ai. Want to see way more of her. Secondly....Could...Rasputin be in there? Or.....the Nine
rasputin is dead and the nine are currently unable to move since they are the living dark matter of the nine planets in our solar system brought to life by our consciousnesses so i doubt it since one being out there would mean that there's actually ten, and the whole reason they exist and one of them let ghaul into our system by blinding our satellites is because they want to be free from us and exist as beings without us and it thought they could succeed in this if ghaul won (although the other members disagreed with this method because if we died, so do the nine)
"Hello, World" reminds that it's the first string that pops up when opening Codeblock with C++ for a computer programming class in college.
35:34 My theory has always been that Raniks is a servitor(s) that has integrated Replication Orb tech that Atrix-1 possessed in DSC, given how its shed servitors despawn with a purple glow. This tech may have gone rampant due to the same virus that infects our augments.
My second theory is that the Corrupted Puppeteer could have arrived from the replication orbs we tossed out the Morningstar’s airlock, but the Vesper AI confirmed that the Morningstar’s debris field broke quarantine. Either way its a System Shock 2 plot where the consequences of our previous actions lead to this.
In the programmer world, "Hello World!" tends to be a default text string used while testing something, especially on the first run of new code language or a new framework. This may be another clue for the message received from the anomaly to be of human origin
Given Odysseus protocol, I would assume the signal comes from a Braytech exploratory team/vessel and the "Hello World" ping was like a lighthouse guiding them home
I just want more Clovis Bray, Bray family involved in this next destiny story. It has so much potential, really (like, he's still sitting on Europa). My favorite topics, and StrategOS of course
5:25 - just saying, I would very much welcome a xenomorph-like enemy in Destiny.
It's likely that Karrho *was* integrated and Atraks was using him as bait, with more "processing power" being used on bringing Yaraksis closer. It's a common theme in these kinds of stories where one corrupted (potentially close to the mc) is positioned in a way where they can bring the mc into the fold/into the villains hands easier then mobbing them. The lore tab never says anything about his eyes or about the Marauder sounding strange so that chance is still open
Odysseus protocol soundslike getting to a location preferably home, so maybe Lodi IS a vessel or an AI on the otherside of the anomalie which is trying to get home (to europa/us)
I've been waiting for this lore video
I've been looking forward to you covering this lore ever since I read the lore tab for our armor sets.
Whatever Lodi is, it's adrift in space somewhere and it's experiencing some form of madness. Maybe from the crew or AI? The "Odysseus protocol" likely is in reference to Odysseus' long journey back home to Ithaca. Maybe this madness was caused by something that Lodi picked up on its journey and that is what caused it to become adrift. Perhaps the message was a "ping" of sorts that would lead Lodi back home. Whatever this madness is aboard Lodi, and presumably the same that infected the Eliksni, is coming back to Sol...
I think it'd be super interesting if Lodi was the ship AI of the Yang Liwei, Exodus Green left long stranded after its inhabitants slipped the bonds of this dimension.
If we're assuming the reply from the Anomaly came from a rampant human-made AI, Lodi, while we haven't encountered one yet, we've seen evidence that it *can* happen. The Spire of the Watcher where we find Soteria was built to be a kind of prison for rampant/rogue AI. Soteria wasn't rampant, but her forced launch of the exo lifeboats to presumably Neomuna at the approach of the Black Fleet prompted the human operators to imprison her in the Spire. It's Warmind tech that acts as a kind of digital black hole for an AI, sucking in their active cognitive processes from computer and communications systems across the solar system. For something that extreme to be built, you'd have to think that Braytech expected something very extreme to potentially happen to at least Rasputin or his subminds.
I need that Alien/Xenomorph feel for when the first time we encounter an Aphelion in this game.
offtopic, I think the craziest move the Winnower could pull off on us is to make us remember our life before we became Guardians.
This one is phenomenal. Actually getting a bit excited for what's next.
46:34
That piece of dialogue isn't available for me.
I'm guessing maybe it's not there if Vesper Central regains control? Although that feels unintentional if so and a lot of people are going to miss it.
Great, now I can't stop thinking about how cool is would be if Guardian's were in the second Alien movie.
Finally, the good good content. Thanks for your work on this!
It would be fascinating if the being within Maya's Echo is the cause of Vesper's host and Bungie is setting up for the vex to be remade as an emotional hive mind made of messy wires and orange lighting
i actually feel some sadness for Vesper when she sees that shes the only one left alive and is all alone.
More than well worth the wait 🔥🔥. My theory is that the thing that corrupted the Puppeteer was one of Clovis's AI residual mind transfered persona's trying to accomplish his goal. Although during the fight Clovis would brag and gloat like we all know him too, but for this situation, he may have been unable to communicate through the Puppeteer's frame.
I’ve been waiting for this video all day. I work as a mailman and it was going to be my audiobook…. Now it’s my bedtime story
We pissed giant head clovis off several times and he's just been sitting in a semi functional facility brooding so that would make sense that he's up to something and pretty on par with his character to not have disclosed all the tools in his box. If I'm not mistaken, there was still an exodus ship unaccounted for wasn't there?
Can't believe you didn't bring back the communication device that the hive used to contact Crota in D1. Very similar vibes.
Your ending could have had a hypothesis about destiny frontiers as well.
Also fun fact, the Ai has different voice lines for different weapons you have equipped
There is also the name Lodi. It is a name from Norse mythology, specifically the poem Voluspa. In it, he's portrayed as animating the first human.
Possible Clovis Bray Exo reference? Could it be that Clovis was attempting reaching out to an alternate timeline/simulation through the Anomaly itselt?
ive been nodding “hmmm sounds cool”.
i literally know nothing about destiny 2 lore. nothing makes sense but this was damn good at keeping my brain together and focused
Something i'm waiting from Destiny is wahts the next step with Clovis, the last time he left a message saying "they know"
I was waiting for this, because that Servator got me questioning things.
Right off the bat, a swarm of Fallen servitors.
You know how long i been waiting for this
NO MANS SKY ANOMALY
16 minutes
Hear me out: the comms array functions as *intended* for the hivemind. But the end reply is *not* whom they were building it for. Rather, it's an old distress call from another Exodus ship.
In other words, coincidence that we picked up another possible colony. I suspect Bungie isn't quite ready to tell us about the motives of this new mind-think entity, as I don't think this is Vex in origin, either.
With all the immortal, seemingly unlikable enemies running around, us Guardians are going to have to break the stalemate with the Hive, enemy light-bearers, Nezarec, Atraks, and Fikrul, by finding a way to erase them from existence/reality. How else do we permanently end them if they can’t die? The advantage we had of paracusality, is now an even(ish) playing field.
Bungie cooked with this dungeon
So I don't personally play destiny any more, but love the lore still, and had a couple thoughts. What if whatever caused Lodi's "moonsick" status is the same corruption that formed the White Captain Hivemind? Maybe that's why Lodi is adrift as well, the crew was no longer piloting the shop, instead part of a separate "limb" of the corruption, still able to communicate with the main entity, but not able to hear or speak to the Eliksni "limb"
What I think is on the other side of the portal, that “Anomaly”, is either: The Winnower, or the plane in which it/he resides. Or, it’s related to the Forge Star, and where the Vex come from.
Yasss, been patiently waiting for this one.
5:21 That comment about got me thinking of a possible parasite race that mutates light bearers. Just me brainstorming if Destiny 3 was some kind of new generation or new galaxy story.
There’s a town by where I live called Lodi, there are a couple in the US and in Italy. A lot of names of towns around here are Native American so I was curious, didn’t find much but it was pointed out that “Lodi” is the inverse of the word “Idol”, so maybe they’re someone we don’t want to meet?