Byf may be the only man on earth dedicated to his craft enough to actually explain the whole horus heresy to us without saying “its too complicated” or “im saving that for another video (that they dont actually make)*
I mean to be fair, talking about the Horus Heresy is effectively talking about damn near every significant event in 30k period. I mean the shit Erebus did alone would need hours of annotations.
@@wandre_canada weshammer too, his long form deep dives are definitely among the best, and his coverage on the more obscure stories of warhammer such as their Horror catalogue is great.
As a damn near life long warhammer fan, almost an expert on the whole of 40k, I’m going through the Horus heresy rn, thank you byf, I absolutely love that your covering 40k now
I'm actually frothing at the mouth now that my favorite destiny lore content creator is also now doing warhammer content. God, I'd love to see Byf cover the Death Korps of Krieg and the Siege of Vraks.
You will quite literally never run out of things to cover! 40K's lore is labyrinthine in its immensity and almost all of it is fascinating, horrifying, inspiring, and compelling all at once. Welcome to the madness, Byf!! Glad to see you here!
And then you get the Fantasy Flight books for the TTRPGs like Dark Heresy and Rogue Trader. And the rabbit holes are revealed to be their own extradimensional space full of secret horrors.
Just know Byf if Destiny fails as a franchise, the Warhammer 40k community will happily take you - the likes of Amber King, Baldemort, the Rememberencer, etc. all do lore and have been going strong for years. If you stick to it, you basically can make endless content people would love. I HIGHLY recommend reading the books, starting in the heresy era. I'd also recommend watching some of the channels I mentioned earlier
1:12:39 the emperor also instructed them on modification to make the golden thrown into a sort of life support system for him, and install a sort of dead man's switch, so if the emperor is removed from the throne, all of terra will explode, alongside these instructions he made the order to put him on the throne rather than just relying on his ability to be reborn do to being a perpetual
As someone who has now gotten back into Warhammer with a young son also showing interest, and a avid destiny player who has watched your video's, I'm here for this and will watch what you put out. Carry on Byf.
Magnus hubris was his downfall, he believed he knew more than the Emperor and thought that the entity in the warp was benevolent when it was Tzeentch. Then Magnus, instead of going back to Terra, sat waiting to be wiped out. Horus told the Wolf King to kill him, but he tried to communicate first. Magnus never listened or learned from the Emperor. And his final act to sit and do nothing instead of going back to Terra, and the subsequent attack by the Wolves is his fault. It’s tragic, I liked Magnus, but he kept doing ridiculous things thinking he knew more.
@@daviewizzle Magus' story is a Tragedy in the Greek tragedy genre sense. But also, a major part of that is big E's constant and moronic insistence on NEVER EVER telling the primarchs anything about the warp or the dangers it contains in specific terms. there are so many conflicts in the events of the HH that could have easily been avoided or resolved with like a 20 minute lecture from Big E about the topic.
Magnus was told at the council of Nikea to stop all study of the warp and use of the powers that come from there. He couldn’t stand by and do nothing so he tried to warn his father about Horus. This broke the psychic defences around the golden throne. Destroying the Emperor’s Webway gate project and allowing Demons into the great palace. The Emperor tasked Leman Russ to bring Magnus in but this message was intercepted and perverted by Horus to destroy Magnus instead. All manipulation.
to be fair, the inquisition would have their eye on him for any number or far less valid reasons, cuz the inquisition is a bit petty and or incompetent like a good 70% of the time
as someone leaving the Destiny-scape for adventures darker: SPIN ME A YARN, LOREMASTER! WEAVE A TALE AS DARK AND UNFORGIVING AS THE UNIVERSE ITSELF (thank you for your service to second monitor content enjoyers the world over
when talking about the birth of slaanesh there's a part that lots of people gloss over that is actually very important to the timeline: the massive warp storms were not created by the birth of slaanesh, but banished by them. basically, the galaxy had been drowned in warp storms so terrible it made conventional warp travel impossible for about 5K years which caused humanity's galactic empire (not the imperium, this was before big E showed up) to crumble due to a lack of support between worlds. the Aeldar were unaffected thanks to their webway portal network, so they just kept going as if nothing was wrong while everyone else suffered for it until Slaanesh's birth instantly wiped out 90% of their population and also cleared all the warp storms across the galaxy. that event was what spurred big E to start conquering Terra so that he could rebuild the human empire from the ground up.
I always assumed the warp storms were the product of the Eldar's increasing depravity. A giant, galactic build-up of hedonistic tension that ends with the, umm, 'explosive release' of Slaanesh's creation, followed by a peaceful calm. That seems.....appropriate.....given what kind of God it is.
@@Scyth0r The point ultimately is that the exact cause of the massive wave of warp storms that lasted so long is not explicitly stated on purpose. A lot of people just get it backwards and say "warp storms because slaanesh" and leave it at that even though that's backwards.
You’re making the content, I’m here for it. You got me hooked with dynasties right before witch queen dropped and a lot of the universes you mentioned are on my “just listen to things playlists” so I’ll gladly enjoy your videos pretty much wherever you go content wise.
The largest problem with the online Warhammer community is the shockingly large percentage of fans who have never read primary source material, the Sourcebooks & Novels. People read something on Lexicanum, Reddit, 1d6, or Spacebattles written by someone who appears to have read a primary source and take it as gosple. Lexicanum is in the top 10% or 20% Wikis for accuracy but even they get stuff wrong sometimes. Nobody is expecting you to buy every novel or Sourcebook, there are simply too many, but reading at least one primary source helps to ground oneself in the narrative & world.
I agree but not completely. When it comes to any genre or game or what not, a majority of people will be “casual fans”. Fans that LOVE the thing they are fans of, but won’t engulf a portion of their lives within, be it a minuscule or large amount of time. So it’s reasonable to assume MOST fans won’t even delve into the books or steep lore of Warhammer
@@chickendmac9085 yeah, and that would be fine if the people they DO get their lore from (wikis, lore youtubers, etc.) emphasized how much unreliable narration and out-right lies are in the primary sources. Instead if you're getting your lore exclusively from second hand sources they don't really mention that, instead just telling stories as a factual series of events. aaron dembski-bowden is one of the most prolific novelists for 40K and has written a ton of the HH novels, and he has explicitly talked about how even the HH novels aren't 100% accurate to what "truly happened" because it's all devolved into half-remembered myths and legends.
@@Scowleasy I don’t think it’s fan fiction, more just extremely subjective. Khorne hates it when you try playing a fast one and do sneaky shit ( ie what skarbrand did to khorne because of tzeentch trickery ) but khorne certainly doesn’t care how or when you kill. Being honorable and stuff is kinda like a minor aspect of khorne to basically sum it up, chaos gods aren’t made up of ONLY the worst things, but Damn do they make it hard to see the good when they fuck up a lot of shit 😆
15:57 Nurgle lives in a mansion within the garden, known as Nurgles Mance. It apparently has a type of vortex effect if one gets too close. They get pulled inside and faced with Nurgle himself. You can imagine what happens next.
and the worst part is, nurgle's love is genuine, but ever since the war in heaven turned the warp into the hellscape it is now, it's a rather twisted sort of love that none of us would normally associate with things like love or care, and the horrific things he might do to you are all the more horrific cuz it his genuine idea of love
The war hammer lore content creators shitting their pants realizing that with destiny on the downturn they have to compete with byf and myelin for survival
@@Kaiwalski Luetin09 and MajorKill have a pretty loyal fanbase which is good. Everyone else I’m not sure will survive Byf 😂. However what makes Byf’s content great are the stories generated from in game footage which for Warhammer its mainly art work and a few high quality animations. Perhaps he can commission some custom artwork based on stories
@@jaythekid4728 if he really leans into war hammer seeing him do something like the books of sorrow series he did with something like the Horus heresy would rock. Yeah I do like Luetin and Majorkill and honestly I think they’ll be just fine since they have their own thing going on.
@@Kaiwalski Horus Heresy is orders of magnitude more text though, so i don't wanna know how long or how many parts that video would be with a comparable level of detail
l’ve put off getting into 40k lore for so many years as it always seemed a daunting task but your videos are making it so digestible and immersive. Definitely don’t stop the 40k content anytime soon as you’ve got completely hooked!
Quick Tidbit about Vulkan after the Drop Site Massarce, it's not necessarily that he was killed as much as he was captured by the Night Lords. He does manage to escape, in no small part due to him being a Perpetual but him being captured is fairly important as that's how he managed to make his way to Ultramar, where he eventually escaped from Konrad Curze by launching himself out of his Flagship and basically pulling a Master Chief from the start of Halo 3.
Love these! Been following you since the glory days of D1. You do such a good job breaking down topics like paracausality and the like I’m excited to see your take on the warp! Keep up the good work! Excited to see your journey through 40K. However long it lasts
I've followed you for several years now, and I think it's worth saying: - I haven't seen any other lore channel, for any franchise, have the same level of production value as yours - The way you explain things, from the aesthetic side (the delivery, etc.) to the way things are structured (the chronology, the wealth of references, etc.) are head and shoulders above the most, if not all, other lore channels, and perhaps most importantly - Seeing you branch out of D2 feels like such a great opportunity for you to flex your chops as a storyteller, especially with the freedom to cover either super dense universes (like 40k), or (I hope) less-covered universes like maybe Battletech (*wink wink*) I'm eager to see where you go, and am very happy to see you growing even more!
Just visited Warhammer World (their flagship store, exhibition centre, event hall and restaurant, that is next to their corporate HQ and only UK factory) in Nottingham a day or 2 ago. Perfect timed video. For anyone curious it's worth going just for the exhibition centre. It's full of just pretty much every model old and new, with these massive displays and dioramas using the models to show massive battles that are a Where's Wally/Waldo of micro skimishes and flowing fronts of a battle. There's a Tyrannid battle display that feels EXACTLY like the Attarax missions in Space Marine 2.
10:59 - I love that in Darktide, the Zealot class gets a voice line when activating their Fury of the Faithful ability that says "Blood for the Emperor, skulls for the Golden Throne!" like, yeah, my guy isn't failing to Khorne, dunno what you're talking about...
Byf I hope you realize no matter what games lore you cover you have a good sized community that will follow you no matter where you go bc they watch you for you
Watching you become a gateway to Warhammer is amazing. As a fan of 40k for half a decade now, you’re doing a good job as someone starting out as a 40k Lore creator. Can’t wait to see more of your Destiny and now Warhammer vids!!! Into the Fires of Battle! Onto the Anvil of War!
As someone who’s just getting into 40K through Space Marine 2, this video and your previous one have been not only informative but immensely entertaining. Thank you Byf!
SONS OF MALICE MENTIONED Only 6 minutes in: Man I hope he talks about Vashtorr the Arkifane. The new kid on the chaos block 25:45 - I know this is just an intro to Chaos but the Ynari or however you write them are a faction of Eldar, Drukhari and other Eldar sub factions that have found a way to not be completely doomed to be devoured by Slaanesh. The Rubric of Ahriman is such an interesting plot point for Ahriman himself. The man is desperately searching for the Black Library to undo the Rubric and save his brothers from a horrible existance. Too bad he is literally being clowned on. Great video! Cannot wait to see someone with your quality bar take on 40K.
It's not much, but I want to support your branch out as much as I can right now. You got me into Destiny and "lore" as a whole, which later led to me finding 40k lore on my own. Now that you're getting into 40k lore content, I couldn't be more excited. Praise the Emperor for Brother Byf.
First of all I want to say a couple things. First is that I'm a long time 40k fan. Been playing the tabletop since 3rd edition (about 23 years now) and second is that I LOVE your content (a Destiny player since D1). Chaos is my absolute FAVORITE faction. I even have the 8 star of Chaos tattooed on my elbow! I love love loved your Space Marine 2 vid. You did a great job explaining who and what the 4 gods of Chaos are. Please please please keep up the 40k videos! The Destiny universe and lore is second only to my love of the 40k franchise. You're doing it more than justice with your explanations, especially with how you're presenting this more for the newer fans of the franchise. A++ work Byf!
27:40 The Luna Wolves legion would be renamed the Sons of Horus sometime after battling the Interrex. The part where the Sons of Horus would later be renamed the Black Legion is actually a misconception (even within the universe of 40k!) The character Iskandar Khayon (Khayon the Black) states this in the book Talon of Horus.
As a die hard Warhammer fan hearing byfs delivery on topics I have heard a million times .... Is so fresh and clean ... The smooth honeyed words of the destiny lore daddy .... Fits the lore of 40k so well ..... Maybe the emperor has a new vessel to speak though now ..... Keep up the amazing work ❤❤
If I remember correctly, the Burning of Prospero was a really complicated/confusing affair as after having busted the barrier to the Emperor's Webway Project, Magnus had a moment where he finally put his ego aside and said "I fucked up". Without consulting anyone, he disabled communication to and from the planet, disabled the planetary/orbital defenses, told his sons either nothing or to not resist what is to come, and then retreated away to be left alone. So by the time Magnus finally snapped out of his depression midway through the battle, Russ and his Space Wolves had already done serious damage to the planet and scattered the Thousand Sons who were organizing a defense as best they could since Magnus had been ignoring their pleas for help.
Good video. Made me chuckle that you started with Chaos and ended up summarising the Horus heresey! One thing to mention; the 'vision' that the Emperor supposeduly shows Magnus in the Throne Room during the siege, and the ultimatum that he can rejoin the Emperor if he sacrifices his Legion is 'debunked' by Vulkan when they battle in the Webway shortly after. That the vision and conversation never took place, and that it was just a pathetic delusion that Magnus tells himself to justify his actions (Siege of Terra: Echoes of Eternity). Additionally although killed by Magnus, Vulkan returns to life (painfully) as he's a Perpetual and makes his way back to the Throne Room.
Maybe not your intention, but your video got me into 40k and I'm currently working through painting my space wolves combat patrol. and its been an amazing like self therapy just me and some music painting miniatures. appreciate you my man
I’ve been watching you for a long long time now, and I gotta say it: 40k is the most natural thing I could see you covering with Destiny falling off. Your best Destiny videos were always the darker or more serious ones, or the ones that went deep. There’s lots and lots of that in 40k, I’m learning in recent times.
Please please please keep making 40k videos! Your Destiny videos similar to what Leutin09 does with 40k, and they are both so high quality. If the two of you continue to make 40k videos I can die happy lol. Please keep this up!
It actually makes me so happy you are covering more than destiny, I could listen to you reading the back of a Cereal box and giving the lore on the company that made it, keep it up BYF!
BYF IVE BEEN A HUGE FAN SINCE THE DESTINY DAYS AND SPENT MANY A NIGHTS FALLING FAST asleep TO LORE VIDEOS SO LET ME SAY ...... DUDE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT 40K NEEDS!! SCREW THE A.I. NARRATORS !! IM TELLING YOU ALL BYF"S CONSIDERABLE DEDICATION TO HIS CRAFT IS PAR NONE!
The Mournival was made up of four members. Two of them: Loken and Torgadon, were opposed to the "cure" offered by Erebus. Abbadon and Little Horus agreed to the sure. The Mournival was split and therefore led to the ultimate betrayal by Horus.
If you want really reliable sources for 40k characters, events, battles, vehicles, etc, the Lexicanum is vastly superior to the Wiki. The Lexicanum cites sources, almost universal ly books or codices with verifiable, up-to-date, canonical information. As a Horus Heresy book and lore whore, it’s my go-to for exploring areas I want additional context for but that I don’t want to buy a whole book to understand
Regarding 50:00; this is not true. The Interrex were not crushed by Horus after Erebus stole the Anathame. Horus and his fleet fled the system, hoping that time would prove their innocence. After he was seduced by Chaos, he returned and destroyed the Interrex, plundering their society for technology to bribe the Mechanicum to turn to his side, which he also did with another society, the Aurelian Technocracy.
Thank you for straightening out the details on this. The crushing was so inevitable one way or another, but the context of when and under what circumstances really matters.
It’s pretty funny having the influx of 40k lore content trying to summarize the setting, and speedbumps coming in the form of the similar sounding names that characters/factions/concepts have because the creators had no concern for scope and consistency when coming up with them Like the Eye of Terror and Eye of Terra Or the Iron Warriors and Iron Hands, not to be confused with the Crimson Fists or the Imperial Fists.
I'm happy to see you do warhammer stuff. I also find it kind of funny because your Destiny lore videos made me think "oh, the Hive are basically a fusion of the Tyranids and the Forces of Chaos" which made me even more of a repugnant fanboy of the Hive and my man Oryx
As a person who hates star wars (the movies) but loves star wars (the lore), I love that you are covering the lore, as I have a similar experience with this franchise.
Space marine 2 has nailed the power fantasy of a space marine with this game. All they have to do now is expand. More campaigns and then more chapters and scenarios. They definitely struck gold. Imagine a Horus Hearsay or a story that centers around an Imperial Knight or a Titan in a giant 40K battle. The pinnacle would be the fall of Cadia, where you switch between regular Cadian, to space marine to Inquisition, then to Titan crew etc. I’m definitely dreaming but it would be cool. 😊
Khorne doesn’t care about honor. This is largely a holdover from Warhammer Fantasy where he’s also associated with martial prowess. Sure, Khornate *followers* might have some code or sense of honor, but Khorne doesn’t care from where the blood flows, only that it does.
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Just your daily reminder ladies and gents.
It's all Erebus' fault.
That is all.
@@MrTappers7 r/fuckerebus is a real subreddit
& the whole community would rejoice, seeing him get destroyed by the Primarch of the Ravenguard
May i offer you my Obligatory: F*ck erebus
@@ulfhednar77 indeed brother
@@MrTappers7 and lorgar.
Byf may be the only man on earth dedicated to his craft enough to actually explain the whole horus heresy to us without saying “its too complicated” or “im saving that for another video (that they dont actually make)*
I mean to be fair, talking about the Horus Heresy is effectively talking about damn near every significant event in 30k period. I mean the shit Erebus did alone would need hours of annotations.
@greenshyguyfrommario there was a lot of complicated stuff during the HH. Also, like half the books are worth skipping.
Luten has a significant claim there as well as The Remeberancer and the dude doing audio books of The End and The Death
Luten09 and Bricky have covered a vast swath of 40k content. And a lot more on top of that doing deep dives.
@@wandre_canada weshammer too, his long form deep dives are definitely among the best, and his coverage on the more obscure stories of warhammer such as their Horror catalogue is great.
Tzeentch and Savathun would be the best of buddies I can already tell
until tzeetch makes savathuun into a bird lizard
Khorne and Xivu would make great drinking buddies too
I'm telling you, of any faction from Destiny the Hive have the best chance to survive in 40k.
Imagine if Calus didn't communicate with The Darkness, but Slaanesh instead.
All that excess.
Noise Marine style Cabal.
@@jacktarot9512 Oh. Oh no. Oh no no no.
As a damn near life long warhammer fan, almost an expert on the whole of 40k, I’m going through the Horus heresy rn, thank you byf, I absolutely love that your covering 40k now
Ok expert is a stretch
I'm about ready to get on that task too. It's only taken me like 2 and a half years to feel ready lol 😂
I'm actually frothing at the mouth now that my favorite destiny lore content creator is also now doing warhammer content. God, I'd love to see Byf cover the Death Korps of Krieg and the Siege of Vraks.
You will quite literally never run out of things to cover! 40K's lore is labyrinthine in its immensity and almost all of it is fascinating, horrifying, inspiring, and compelling all at once.
Welcome to the madness, Byf!! Glad to see you here!
And then you get the Fantasy Flight books for the TTRPGs like Dark Heresy and Rogue Trader. And the rabbit holes are revealed to be their own extradimensional space full of secret horrors.
Just know Byf if Destiny fails as a franchise, the Warhammer 40k community will happily take you - the likes of Amber King, Baldemort, the Rememberencer, etc. all do lore and have been going strong for years. If you stick to it, you basically can make endless content people would love. I HIGHLY recommend reading the books, starting in the heresy era. I'd also recommend watching some of the channels I mentioned earlier
Imagine him on Astartes Anonymous or Ad Ric
@@Lancersilva adric byf collab would be huge
@@LancersilvaOr Remleiz's Adeptus Podcastus
@@somerandomdude7785 or a collab with adeptus ridiculous
@@Lancersilva Dude, PancreasNoWork would traumatize Byf lol
1:12:39 the emperor also instructed them on modification to make the golden thrown into a sort of life support system for him, and install a sort of dead man's switch, so if the emperor is removed from the throne, all of terra will explode, alongside these instructions he made the order to put him on the throne rather than just relying on his ability to be reborn do to being a perpetual
Talisman of 7 hammers I think
As someone who has now gotten back into Warhammer with a young son also showing interest, and a avid destiny player who has watched your video's, I'm here for this and will watch what you put out. Carry on Byf.
It's not that Magnus did nothing wrong. It's the fact that Magnus was told to do nothing, and he couldn't even do that right.
So, you're saying he did nothing... incorrectly.
Magnus hubris was his downfall, he believed he knew more than the Emperor and thought that the entity in the warp was benevolent when it was Tzeentch.
Then Magnus, instead of going back to Terra, sat waiting to be wiped out.
Horus told the Wolf King to kill him, but he tried to communicate first.
Magnus never listened or learned from the Emperor.
And his final act to sit and do nothing instead of going back to Terra, and the subsequent attack by the Wolves is his fault.
It’s tragic, I liked Magnus, but he kept doing ridiculous things thinking he knew more.
@@daviewizzle Magus' story is a Tragedy in the Greek tragedy genre sense.
But also, a major part of that is big E's constant and moronic insistence on NEVER EVER telling the primarchs anything about the warp or the dangers it contains in specific terms. there are so many conflicts in the events of the HH that could have easily been avoided or resolved with like a 20 minute lecture from Big E about the topic.
Magnus was told at the council of Nikea to stop all study of the warp and use of the powers that come from there. He couldn’t stand by and do nothing so he tried to warn his father about Horus. This broke the psychic defences around the golden throne. Destroying the Emperor’s Webway gate project and allowing Demons into the great palace. The Emperor tasked Leman Russ to bring Magnus in but this message was intercepted and perverted by Horus to destroy Magnus instead. All manipulation.
You could say he did nothing wrong, but he did nothing, wrong.
The Inquisition has its eye on you for spreading the word of Chaos
as long as the Grey Knights don't get involved...
to be fair, the inquisition would have their eye on him for any number or far less valid reasons, cuz the inquisition is a bit petty and or incompetent like a good 70% of the time
Leandros *breathes heavy*
This video is mandatory for interrogator training inquisitor. You have to know the enemy to destroy the enemy.
@@JM-nothing-more Who are they? Never heard of them
as someone leaving the Destiny-scape for adventures darker: SPIN ME A YARN, LOREMASTER! WEAVE A TALE AS DARK AND UNFORGIVING AS THE UNIVERSE ITSELF (thank you for your service to second monitor content enjoyers the world over
I'm hoping for Byf to come back to Warframe sometime especially with 1999 on the horizon.
@@VallornDeathblade that would be sick
when talking about the birth of slaanesh there's a part that lots of people gloss over that is actually very important to the timeline: the massive warp storms were not created by the birth of slaanesh, but banished by them. basically, the galaxy had been drowned in warp storms so terrible it made conventional warp travel impossible for about 5K years which caused humanity's galactic empire (not the imperium, this was before big E showed up) to crumble due to a lack of support between worlds. the Aeldar were unaffected thanks to their webway portal network, so they just kept going as if nothing was wrong while everyone else suffered for it until Slaanesh's birth instantly wiped out 90% of their population and also cleared all the warp storms across the galaxy. that event was what spurred big E to start conquering Terra so that he could rebuild the human empire from the ground up.
This. Though Big D kinda was mostly done conquering Terra at the point which the warp storms ended
I always assumed the warp storms were the product of the Eldar's increasing depravity. A giant, galactic build-up of hedonistic tension that ends with the, umm, 'explosive release' of Slaanesh's creation, followed by a peaceful calm. That seems.....appropriate.....given what kind of God it is.
@@Scyth0r The point ultimately is that the exact cause of the massive wave of warp storms that lasted so long is not explicitly stated on purpose. A lot of people just get it backwards and say "warp storms because slaanesh" and leave it at that even though that's backwards.
Ever since the first video where you talked about 40k and Destiny I've been waiting for this. It honestly feels like a dream
You’re making the content, I’m here for it. You got me hooked with dynasties right before witch queen dropped and a lot of the universes you mentioned are on my “just listen to things playlists” so I’ll gladly enjoy your videos pretty much wherever you go content wise.
Rolled the dice and hit six on all your attack rolls, absolutely nailed it mate. Keep up the great work.
The largest problem with the online Warhammer community is the shockingly large percentage of fans who have never read primary source material, the Sourcebooks & Novels. People read something on Lexicanum, Reddit, 1d6, or Spacebattles written by someone who appears to have read a primary source and take it as gosple. Lexicanum is in the top 10% or 20% Wikis for accuracy but even they get stuff wrong sometimes. Nobody is expecting you to buy every novel or Sourcebook, there are simply too many, but reading at least one primary source helps to ground oneself in the narrative & world.
I agree but not completely. When it comes to any genre or game or what not, a majority of people will be “casual fans”. Fans that LOVE the thing they are fans of, but won’t engulf a portion of their lives within, be it a minuscule or large amount of time. So it’s reasonable to assume MOST fans won’t even delve into the books or steep lore of Warhammer
Lexicanum is a thing? Whenever I go there there is barely any info on Lexicanum.
@@chickendmac9085 yeah, and that would be fine if the people they DO get their lore from (wikis, lore youtubers, etc.) emphasized how much unreliable narration and out-right lies are in the primary sources. Instead if you're getting your lore exclusively from second hand sources they don't really mention that, instead just telling stories as a factual series of events. aaron dembski-bowden is one of the most prolific novelists for 40K and has written a ton of the HH novels, and he has explicitly talked about how even the HH novels aren't 100% accurate to what "truly happened" because it's all devolved into half-remembered myths and legends.
Yeah seriously. The whole “Khorne represents honor” is complete fanfiction. Dude’s chief mortal follower is Kharn *the betrayer*.
@@Scowleasy I don’t think it’s fan fiction, more just extremely subjective. Khorne hates it when you try playing a fast one and do sneaky shit ( ie what skarbrand did to khorne because of tzeentch trickery ) but khorne certainly doesn’t care how or when you kill. Being honorable and stuff is kinda like a minor aspect of khorne to basically sum it up, chaos gods aren’t made up of ONLY the worst things, but Damn do they make it hard to see the good when they fuck up a lot of shit 😆
You have always been my favorite source for crazy guys in armor with guns. Fighting evil aliens and evil magic in space
15:57 Nurgle lives in a mansion within the garden, known as Nurgles Mance. It apparently has a type of vortex effect if one gets too close. They get pulled inside and faced with Nurgle himself. You can imagine what happens next.
and the worst part is, nurgle's love is genuine, but ever since the war in heaven turned the warp into the hellscape it is now, it's a rather twisted sort of love that none of us would normally associate with things like love or care, and the horrific things he might do to you are all the more horrific cuz it his genuine idea of love
The war hammer lore content creators shitting their pants realizing that with destiny on the downturn they have to compete with byf and myelin for survival
@@Kaiwalski Luetin09 and MajorKill have a pretty loyal fanbase which is good. Everyone else I’m not sure will survive Byf 😂. However what makes Byf’s content great are the stories generated from in game footage which for Warhammer its mainly art work and a few high quality animations. Perhaps he can commission some custom artwork based on stories
@@jaythekid4728 if he really leans into war hammer seeing him do something like the books of sorrow series he did with something like the Horus heresy would rock. Yeah I do like Luetin and Majorkill and honestly I think they’ll be just fine since they have their own thing going on.
@@Kaiwalski Horus Heresy is orders of magnitude more text though, so i don't wanna know how long or how many parts that video would be with a comparable level of detail
@@JM-nothing-more that’s certainly true but the broad strokes might be easier to accomplish
And down come luetin from on high to welcome another lore master to the great black library
Well done, Sir! Glad to see you branching out and into 40K none the less. Looking forward to seeing what else you cover!
At a certain point it’s not the content it’s the creator. And you rock so it’s no surprise
l’ve put off getting into 40k lore for so many years as it always seemed a daunting task but your videos are making it so digestible and immersive. Definitely don’t stop the 40k content anytime soon as you’ve got completely hooked!
I recommend Baldermort as he makes rather immersive lore vids.
I’m actually really glad you’re jumping into 40k. Perfect branch out from Destiny.
Just finished watching 45 leutin09 videos and now Byf starts dropping chaos marines content....this is a good day
An hour and a half video on chaos? Praise the emperor
@simonmon8828 Praising the emperor for Chaos? Sounds like heresy brother!
Member of the Emperor’s Children spotted
Ahem. I think you mean DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR. My friend.
Quick Tidbit about Vulkan after the Drop Site Massarce, it's not necessarily that he was killed as much as he was captured by the Night Lords. He does manage to escape, in no small part due to him being a Perpetual but him being captured is fairly important as that's how he managed to make his way to Ultramar, where he eventually escaped from Konrad Curze by launching himself out of his Flagship and basically pulling a Master Chief from the start of Halo 3.
Pulling a master chief...without armor
I'm so happy to see Byf doing 40k lore, finally my favourite lore creator doing my favourite lore!
We’re here for this man! Stoked for these videos!
Love these! Been following you since the glory days of D1. You do such a good job breaking down topics like paracausality and the like I’m excited to see your take on the warp! Keep up the good work! Excited to see your journey through 40K. However long it lasts
I've followed you for several years now, and I think it's worth saying:
- I haven't seen any other lore channel, for any franchise, have the same level of production value as yours
- The way you explain things, from the aesthetic side (the delivery, etc.) to the way things are structured (the chronology, the wealth of references, etc.) are head and shoulders above the most, if not all, other lore channels, and perhaps most importantly
- Seeing you branch out of D2 feels like such a great opportunity for you to flex your chops as a storyteller, especially with the freedom to cover either super dense universes (like 40k), or (I hope) less-covered universes like maybe Battletech (*wink wink*)
I'm eager to see where you go, and am very happy to see you growing even more!
Love hearing Warhammer lore from someone else who is relatively new to the series! Plus a great relaxing voice. Byf and Vaati truly the lore MVPs
56:10 Byf, it is valid to say Magnus did nothing wrong. He was told to do nothing, and he did _that_ wrong.
Welcome to 40k man, it’s great to have you. There’s nothing like your style
God your voice narration will be like heaven
Just visited Warhammer World (their flagship store, exhibition centre, event hall and restaurant, that is next to their corporate HQ and only UK factory) in Nottingham a day or 2 ago.
Perfect timed video.
For anyone curious it's worth going just for the exhibition centre. It's full of just pretty much every model old and new, with these massive displays and dioramas using the models to show massive battles that are a Where's Wally/Waldo of micro skimishes and flowing fronts of a battle.
There's a Tyrannid battle display that feels EXACTLY like the Attarax missions in Space Marine 2.
10:59 - I love that in Darktide, the Zealot class gets a voice line when activating their Fury of the Faithful ability that says "Blood for the Emperor, skulls for the Golden Throne!"
like, yeah, my guy isn't failing to Khorne, dunno what you're talking about...
Byf I hope you realize no matter what games lore you cover you have a good sized community that will follow you no matter where you go bc they watch you for you
Watching you become a gateway to Warhammer is amazing. As a fan of 40k for half a decade now, you’re doing a good job as someone starting out as a 40k Lore creator. Can’t wait to see more of your Destiny and now Warhammer vids!!!
Into the Fires of Battle! Onto the Anvil of War!
As someone who’s just getting into 40K through Space Marine 2, this video and your previous one have been not only informative but immensely entertaining. Thank you Byf!
no way my goat uploads a warhammer video, all is right in the world
Thank you for continuing to cover 40k! Huge 40k fan and I've never enjoyed hearing things I already know as much as I do hearing you cover it!
These videos always leave me with a smile on my face as it gets to the motto of the channel: Per Audacia Ad Astra...I'll see you starside.
SONS OF MALICE MENTIONED
Only 6 minutes in: Man I hope he talks about Vashtorr the Arkifane. The new kid on the chaos block
25:45 - I know this is just an intro to Chaos but the Ynari or however you write them are a faction of Eldar, Drukhari and other Eldar sub factions that have found a way to not be completely doomed to be devoured by Slaanesh.
The Rubric of Ahriman is such an interesting plot point for Ahriman himself. The man is desperately searching for the Black Library to undo the Rubric and save his brothers from a horrible existance. Too bad he is literally being clowned on.
Great video! Cannot wait to see someone with your quality bar take on 40K.
The fact that you’re covering warhammer lore how are my favorite UA-camr rn
Love that one of my favorite lore creators is taking a crack at 40k. You'll be very busy and have a lot of fun with it if you keep going.
Finally, lore accurate Tzeentch. The 40k stuff has been great, hope to see more!
It's not much, but I want to support your branch out as much as I can right now. You got me into Destiny and "lore" as a whole, which later led to me finding 40k lore on my own. Now that you're getting into 40k lore content, I couldn't be more excited.
Praise the Emperor for Brother Byf.
Covering 40k content is such a W move man I'm happy for u , keep the content rolling I'll watch it nonstop
First of all I want to say a couple things. First is that I'm a long time 40k fan. Been playing the tabletop since 3rd edition (about 23 years now) and second is that I LOVE your content (a Destiny player since D1). Chaos is my absolute FAVORITE faction. I even have the 8 star of Chaos tattooed on my elbow! I love love loved your Space Marine 2 vid. You did a great job explaining who and what the 4 gods of Chaos are. Please please please keep up the 40k videos! The Destiny universe and lore is second only to my love of the 40k franchise. You're doing it more than justice with your explanations, especially with how you're presenting this more for the newer fans of the franchise. A++ work Byf!
27:40 The Luna Wolves legion would be renamed the Sons of Horus sometime after battling the Interrex.
The part where the Sons of Horus would later be renamed the Black Legion is actually a misconception (even within the universe of 40k!) The character Iskandar Khayon (Khayon the Black) states this in the book Talon of Horus.
LETS GO! BROTHER LIBRARIAN BYF!
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!!!!
Milk for the khorne flakes
As a die hard Warhammer fan hearing byfs delivery on topics I have heard a million times .... Is so fresh and clean ... The smooth honeyed words of the destiny lore daddy .... Fits the lore of 40k so well ..... Maybe the emperor has a new vessel to speak though now ..... Keep up the amazing work ❤❤
Loving the long form content but Warhammer is always good to just sit back and listen too for sure
Great to see the saga continue! Good work Byf!
If I remember correctly, the Burning of Prospero was a really complicated/confusing affair as after having busted the barrier to the Emperor's Webway Project, Magnus had a moment where he finally put his ego aside and said "I fucked up". Without consulting anyone, he disabled communication to and from the planet, disabled the planetary/orbital defenses, told his sons either nothing or to not resist what is to come, and then retreated away to be left alone. So by the time Magnus finally snapped out of his depression midway through the battle, Russ and his Space Wolves had already done serious damage to the planet and scattered the Thousand Sons who were organizing a defense as best they could since Magnus had been ignoring their pleas for help.
The one thing that is consistent about 40k is that chaos is the bad guys plane and simple.
The whole point of 40k is that there are no good guys
Its not just chaos are the bad guys. Everyone is the bad guys. Even rhe imperium and the spacemarines
@lostkhan1728 Yes everyone is bad but GW wants chaos to be seen as the bad guys of the bad guys.
Good video. Made me chuckle that you started with Chaos and ended up summarising the Horus heresey!
One thing to mention; the 'vision' that the Emperor supposeduly shows Magnus in the Throne Room during the siege, and the ultimatum that he can rejoin the Emperor if he sacrifices his Legion is 'debunked' by Vulkan when they battle in the Webway shortly after. That the vision and conversation never took place, and that it was just a pathetic delusion that Magnus tells himself to justify his actions (Siege of Terra: Echoes of Eternity). Additionally although killed by Magnus, Vulkan returns to life (painfully) as he's a Perpetual and makes his way back to the Throne Room.
Maybe not your intention, but your video got me into 40k and I'm currently working through painting my space wolves combat patrol. and its been an amazing like self therapy just me and some music painting miniatures. appreciate you my man
It's always a good day when byf posts 40k content
I’ve been watching you for a long long time now, and I gotta say it: 40k is the most natural thing I could see you covering with Destiny falling off. Your best Destiny videos were always the darker or more serious ones, or the ones that went deep. There’s lots and lots of that in 40k, I’m learning in recent times.
byf you've just tapped the mightiest content well. may it bring you prosperity
-Pops in
-Pauses vid
-Saves to "Watch Later"
-Likes
-Leaves
-Returns
-Temporarily rescinds like
-Watches video proper start to finish
-Reissues Like proper
-Tips hat to Byf
Byfe’s choice of chapter being Blood Raven feels super appropriate for him.
Welcome to the fandom Byfe😊
Ah yes, Magnus' Magpies ;)
Welcome to Warhammer Byf, good to have ya man!
I am so here for long form 40K Lore content from the Lore Daddy.
Hail Byf!! Nice to see you covering lore from other I.P.
Took you long enough to jump into the grimdark - glad to see you amongst us :)
Please keep rolling with the 40K lore! It's insanely deep and always dark and interesting!
I've grown so accustomed to byf through D2. It's nice to have you do Warhammer
Please please please keep making 40k videos! Your Destiny videos similar to what Leutin09 does with 40k, and they are both so high quality. If the two of you continue to make 40k videos I can die happy lol. Please keep this up!
Everyone here will soon learn the phrase “Fuck Erebus”
Yessssssssssss I was just talking with my cousin on how I want you to deep dive space marine😱😱plzz keep doing it I’ll watch every freakin video
Byf and Bricky collab when?
God I’ve been looking forward to 40K lore with Byf’s vocal butter… its soothing
Been looking forward to to this video my goat
It actually makes me so happy you are covering more than destiny, I could listen to you reading the back of a Cereal box and giving the lore on the company that made it, keep it up BYF!
BYF IVE BEEN A HUGE FAN SINCE THE DESTINY DAYS AND SPENT MANY A NIGHTS FALLING FAST asleep TO LORE VIDEOS SO LET ME SAY ...... DUDE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT 40K NEEDS!! SCREW THE A.I. NARRATORS !! IM TELLING YOU ALL BYF"S CONSIDERABLE DEDICATION TO HIS CRAFT IS PAR NONE!
The Mournival was made up of four members. Two of them: Loken and Torgadon, were opposed to the "cure" offered by Erebus. Abbadon and Little Horus agreed to the sure. The Mournival was split and therefore led to the ultimate betrayal by Horus.
Never been more happy to see byf get in to 40k I’m new too and I’m loving the lore
If you want really reliable sources for 40k characters, events, battles, vehicles, etc, the Lexicanum is vastly superior to the Wiki. The Lexicanum cites sources, almost universal ly books or codices with verifiable, up-to-date, canonical information. As a Horus Heresy book and lore whore, it’s my go-to for exploring areas I want additional context for but that I don’t want to buy a whole book to understand
Thanks for making your Destiny videos for when I wanted to create a backstory for my Destiny character.
17:27 Nurgle is older than humanity. The idea of him being born from the black death is retconned.
Byf no matter the game, no matter any fine details... I'll watch the video. You just tell the stories so well I can't help but be fascinated
And I know this isn't a game but I'd love to watch any lord of the rings lore video produced by you
Your proselytising will be your end Heretic.
(GREAT WORK BYF!!!!)
Regarding 50:00; this is not true. The Interrex were not crushed by Horus after Erebus stole the Anathame. Horus and his fleet fled the system, hoping that time would prove their innocence. After he was seduced by Chaos, he returned and destroyed the Interrex, plundering their society for technology to bribe the Mechanicum to turn to his side, which he also did with another society, the Aurelian Technocracy.
Thank you for straightening out the details on this. The crushing was so inevitable one way or another, but the context of when and under what circumstances really matters.
It’s pretty funny having the influx of 40k lore content trying to summarize the setting, and speedbumps coming in the form of the similar sounding names that characters/factions/concepts have because the creators had no concern for scope and consistency when coming up with them
Like the Eye of Terror and Eye of Terra
Or the Iron Warriors and Iron Hands, not to be confused with the Crimson Fists or the Imperial Fists.
I made the switch I’m so happy byf did! This universe is so cool but so lore dense and confusing. Having the lore daddy helping guide the way is dope
I'm happy to see you do warhammer stuff. I also find it kind of funny because your Destiny lore videos made me think "oh, the Hive are basically a fusion of the Tyranids and the Forces of Chaos" which made me even more of a repugnant fanboy of the Hive and my man Oryx
As a person who hates star wars (the movies) but loves star wars (the lore), I love that you are covering the lore, as I have a similar experience with this franchise.
Space marine 2 has nailed the power fantasy of a space marine with this game. All they have to do now is expand. More campaigns and then more chapters and scenarios. They definitely struck gold. Imagine a Horus Hearsay or a story that centers around an Imperial Knight or a Titan in a giant 40K battle. The pinnacle would be the fall of Cadia, where you switch between regular Cadian, to space marine to Inquisition, then to Titan crew etc. I’m definitely dreaming but it would be cool. 😊
Khorne doesn’t care about honor. This is largely a holdover from Warhammer Fantasy where he’s also associated with martial prowess.
Sure, Khornate *followers* might have some code or sense of honor, but Khorne doesn’t care from where the blood flows, only that it does.
Ladies and Gentlemen, we got him!
(love to see content about this extremely fun universe, keep the good stuff coming :D)
Very cool too see you getting into 40k.
You are wonderful Byf. Top tier lad here.
BYFFFFF YOU LEGEND THANK YOU FOR MAKING MORE
Hy Byf, this Univers waits with so much Lore 👏.
OMG Byf covering 40k?? Hell yeah! Welcome my brother, for the Emperor!!!
Byf finally doing warhammer oh my goodness my day has been made