Characters Who Survived Raging Demon
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
- Raging Demon is cool, murders your body, and destroys your soul... and yet it almost never seems to actually kill anyone in Street Fighter or beyond. We cover a bunch of instances in which it was used, and how almost every victim still walked away.
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Every day, I'm less and less convinced that the Raging Demon killed Gen, and more and more convinced that he died of leukemia that day.
You literally just watched a video that said that exact thing…
Akuma actually left the fight because he realized Gen was dying from cancer
@@FriedGamer yep, akuma realized that the fight had no purpose as gen was handicapped.
In the Street Fighter manga/comic, he survived the Raging Demon, but died of leukemia later that night.
Gen didn't die in sfa3 he was killed in the beginning of 5 which is the beginning of street fighter 3 (I know it's confusing)
Despite popular belief, the japanese version of alpha 3 where Akuma mentions of the raging demon ability, doesnt say anything about attacking the soul, unlike the english version that does
Aka its a mistranslation from localization, what raging demon does is actually cause death in a supernatural way and bring pain with your sins as well, which explains why Gill and Bison survive it, former can revive, latter can go to another body simply, as for Heihachi, mishimas are simply having a one heck of a stubborn willpower of going down for good, let alone another character in their series has supernatural death inducement and Mishimas arent affected by it
Him using it on Bison isn't even canon lowkey
does explain why they survive it:
-gen has walked through the literal shadow of death/is owning up to his sins that he just sends it right back.
-evil ryu is the same potential almost as akuma/ryu's soul is content controlling his desire now.
-with gouken was basically payback for being thrashed only for it to be made even with how he obviously wins against akuma in 4 saving ryu/being alive again.
-gill has whatever it is that revives him(they should really go into the full origin of the powers since the comics briefly did.) being a dark messiah(like a light version of jedah.)
-m. bison had enough psycho power which is powered by hatred to revive his soul at least.
-the mishima's are about as powered up as wario from determination(not a lie in the manuals the transformations are literally wario not feeling like dying using it to his advantage which is really badass surviving stuff that'd kill mario.) having ed,edd n eddy levels of durability and will power to casually stand up to supernatural feats & outright control the origin of man's sin.
-asura's a literal god that has took way more than the above combined.
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Idk much about Gen, but as with SF5, Akuma hits you physically for the raging demon, Gen simply parried all as shown in alpha 3
Evil Ryu was unaffected cuz he did the raging demon too, so they cancelled each other basically
Gouken power is basically a counter to the Dark Hado, which 2 times countered his raging demon, in alpha games and SF4
Gill as i said, can revive from death with ressurection
Bison soul can just go to another body, physically he dies, but because the raging demon isnt targetting the soul as previously thought, its making more sense why he got away too
As i said a character from their series has death inducement like Akuma has with raging demon, which on Mishimas it didnt work, on top of all being way too resilient to go down for good, they just refuse to die that easily
Asura died before and returned from it a bunch of times, so makes sense or simply put, he is too angry to die
8:51 to Heihachi's credit his " Stubborn old man who refuses to die" superpower was in full effect that fight.
Heihachi is the purest human being in Tekken, its impossible for him to be tainted by any kinds of evil powers, be it Ogre cells, Devil Gene, or even Pandora in the case of SF x Tekken
It might be a factor why the SGS doesnt work on him either
@@tedjomuljono3052not exactly, Heihachi has been told that his nature is not from a regular human
@@ppprime98K Source?
Not being mean or something actually wanna learn more about him
He climbed up a cliff he was tossed off of, took several explosives-laden robots to the face and walked it off, etc...
Every single time I hear that heihachi is dead I scoff
Gill is consistently the "everything-proof force field" kid, so while the result stands, he could probably be considered an exemption from most power scaling conversations
gill also aint the same kinda bad guy bison is tho.
gill wants to save the world...not rule it.
ya capcom shame on u for nerf on SGS!! 😟😞
gouki was like the saiyan of street fighter verse.
Gill's only purpose is to show Capcom can program a character differently when facing left or right without resorting to 3D.
It’s now my head canon that Akuma invented the “Kill your soul” aspect of the attack to scare people 😅
im told your father survived the RD but a week later you found him with his eyes open and stiff in his bed with no other cause that could be found doctors assured you he died of natural causes
The famously deadly, infamously unkilling.
Even if its non-canon, Instant Prison Murder barely working on Asura actually makes a lot of sense.
Having Gen counter the Hell Murder in no way diminishes it. This shows how awesome Gen is; he doesn't tank the move, he evades all the blows, exactly how a master martial artist would avoid being pummeled by an opponent. If Bill had blocked all the parts of the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique, the technique wouldn't have been any less deadly.
There's only one out to justify this failing of the raging demon.
After using it for the first time and killing the only person he saw as a father figure, the guilt of being his murderer has imprinting onto his soul, therefore, he has since been unable to fully give in to murderous intent 100%, which curbs the intent of the raging demon.
Ultimately, Akuma's soul is tainted with guilt.
Boom! You're welcome!
but goutetsu went out with a smile on his face... meaning he was proud of gouki.
hence why gouki goes onto take the iconic bead necklace from his fallen master.
he is now the grand master of their style.
@@ssppeeaarr Akuma could still feel a great guilt, killing the only reason he had a connection with, also being his first kill.
This is the only plausible explanation I can come in with as to why the raging demon is not being used to its absolute.
There is guilt attached to Akuma's soul.
ya man its a nice theory.
but i just feel capcom really dishonored
akuma from his super street fighter 4 game and onward. they nerf'd the sgs. it was already bad enough ppl come back to life from it too. smh... gouken being the biggest bootypull.
that soft modified ansatsuken gouken taught shouldnt be as powerful as the satsui. since goutetsu said it was the pure and true form of the art that akuma has now mastered completely.
looking foward to his sf6 debut and story mode tho. hype if indeed oni is slowly becoming a canon reality. 😯😄😁
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@@ssppeeaarr I mean... I can see why they had to nerd the move narrative wise, because Akuma would just end up killing everyone he encounters, leaving no comeback characters.
But if you add a bit of depth as to why it's not working as a story, then it could show added depth to the character and potential redemption arc.
Akuma used Raging Demon...
Capcom: It's not effective
Man, you have no idea how entertaining and well researched your content is.
Raging demon was always cool but this gave it a lot more depth.
Thank you :)
The move is weak, even I survived it. Got hit with it all the time in ranked and I'm still able to go to work today
I'd say that the reason M.Bison survived is because only part of his soul was in his body... Rose is the other half, and may have allowed the dark side to reform over time.
Let's remember: Heihachi neither empties his soul, nor manages to parry the physical attacks, and on top of that he also has a lengthy list of sins. And yet he's not even K.O.'ed by the Shun Goku Satsu. Wich makes absolutely no sense.
However, If Akuma used the move on Kazuya it could have made sense for Kazuya to survive it, as a natural born demon he may have some innate resistance to demonic techniques.
Heihachi is a Mishima. In the Tekken lore, they're known for their durability and willpower.
Ironically in game Akuma takes more damage than other characters
akuma has serious bad luck with that technique.(alongside tbh having a huge downgrade being shown in detail in 5.) with how:
-m. bison in 2 having just enough psycho power to revive.
-gill using whatever his power is to resurrect himself at the end of arcade(also how casually aside it feels.)
-getting thrashed by gouken,basically doing it as payback(like to think it was from kazumi as her part of akuma's debt to her.) only to get beaten up by him again failing to turn ryu into a worthy opponent.
-gen having already walked the shadow of death(with how lackluster it was in 5 wouldn't mind it being retcon/a huge f you to akuma he decided to choose when to die.) that he not only no sells it but beats akuma up right back.(though evil ryu having a stalemate with akuma is a awesome way of showing evil ryu's potential.)
-in asura's wrath's case asura is literally a god above the ones akuma's fought it's completely justified with what he went through.
-heihachi's the most durable person in tekken(those characters in general have ed,edd n eddy/looney tunes levels of durability compared to other fighting games.) it'd be disappointing on his end if that was how he went out with how he survived missing out on 5 being buried for weeks in a cemetery he landed in after getting caught in a explosion.
think it fits with how akuma is a glass canon as i would like to see akuma try it having the move nearly kill him backfiring or do it to jp/m. bison if they unnecessarily revive him showing it literally ripping his soul apart.
5:38 "it results in a simple-- [Ad plays]... Bro I know you did that on purpose. I laughed pretty damn hard.
For me, the Raging Demon will always be the Epic move that it is supposed to be. People legit feared it while playing against me. They would spend the entire match just trying to avoid getting hit by it.
The Shun Goku Satsu doesn't actually attack the soul or harm you based on your sins. The real reason it's so dangerous for both the victim and user is it requires fully submitting yourself to the Satsui no Hadou. By entering a berserker state, the user can attack without conscious thought, negating the lag between intent and action. The danger comes when the user loses themselves within that state, becoming nothing more than an animal. It is why it is a forbidden technique, and also why Goutetsu was happy to fall to it. It showed that his student was able to surpass him and use the Satsui no Hadou successfully.
Conversely, in order to defend against a blinding flurry of strikes, one needs to empty themselves of all conscious thought. This concept is similar to Musou Tensei from Fist of the North Star or Ultra Instinct. Defending each blow without thought is the only way to not die to it. This is what is meant by "emptying the soul"; letting go of all conscious thought.
Gen could do it. Gouken tried but he hadn't mastered the Mu no Ken yet and "only" got beaten into a coma.
Bison did die from it but he already had a piece of his soul in Rose akin to a backup save file.
Gill died but had the ability to come back to life. Still died.
So weirdly enough, Akuma actually has a good success rate.
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That's the risk in having a bunch of people survive, it makes the attack look less effective. With Gill and even Seth, it made sense and Heihachi had to survive it.
The rest just serve to weaken the move's effectiveness.
No.
Lemme Make this simple if akuma actually got away with killing bison , Seth,gen and everyone else Capcom would have had the fans want to throttle them for killing fan favorites like the ones mentioned here,so technically the raging demon has done it's job but Capcom being more interested in money said screw akumas plot everyone he fights lives
Thanks for covering this.
It's sad how Capcom has devalued the raging demon.
Akuma kept inventing new more powerful techniques than it in his stories because he knew the Demon has weaknesses
His new lv3 in SF3 was invented in Alpha 2 iirc, his Tatsu ultra in SSFIV first shown destroying a submarine in 2nd impact, and so on
He also managed to visually kill Bison in CVS1 using Shin Akuma's new super, the Misogi, which cuts bison in half, before fighting you
A shame really. It had a good status until all the retcons in SF4.
That Mortal Kombat 1 🧢 Though….😂
It seems that in Seth's case. Akuma instead destroyed Bison's influence in Seth's mind, not just create a soul with the Raging Demon. That'd be too nice guy of Akuma.😅
Not gonna lie asura was like the only mf that was fighting the raging demon back withoit blocking man was too angry to get folded
Wait so Gorbachev dancing with Zangief isn’t canon?
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wrong translation it is "INSTANT HELL MURDER"
This is a very good example of the the similar 'comic book-like' issue fighting games have with being able to maintain a sense of stakes and badassery with what some character's ultimate attacks can do, versus what they wind up actually doing because nearly everyone can be dug up from the grave for profit. Villains suffer the most when they build such a status just to then not be able to kill anyone in the series because of plot armor or retcons but fault likely falls just as much on fans as it does companies considering how attached many can get to characters.
You have a new sub as soon as i saw the metalockapyse reference.
Yall say raging demon dont work? But akuma still puts a ass whooping to everyone
You misunderstood Bison's and Gil's deaths. They got the versions where they die 1000 deaths, but due to their ability to revive they can die that many times and still return.
Great video
7:00 Bison is like Zinj from Johnny Quest,same core memories with multiple bodies to discard
Oooof that unblockable toward mk1, this one hurts.
In my opinion, there are 2 way to think logically about that.
1. unlike goutetsu's Shun Goku Satsu, Gouki's and Evil Ryu's Shun Goku Satsu is still incomplete, so it still cant fully destroying target's soul
2. in Gouken's and Vega's case, they emptied their soul from their body before Gouki's Shun Goku Satsu Connect fully
but those are just my opinion
At this point I'm expecting JP to survive The Raging Demon
so if akuma in mortal kombat. do we count those as kill or no?
Capcom can remedy this by saying that only Shin Akuma can perform the full powered shun goku satsu, since regular Akuma still has some humanity left. Then yeah, let him kill a character not too many people would miss.
"The true warrior enters the arena with all of his weapons at the ready"
Where you get Shun Goku Satsu destroying soul? In American version? It's just punches incredible fast and too many.
so a couple of things
in regards to bison I always assumed that bisons soul was shattered and needed to be pieced back together with the pyscho drive, add in the fact that least half of it (Rose) was still around and we've got a pretty good idea of what's keeping bison around. SF5 does some other stuff with that but we might be able to chock that up to G.
Akuma also regularly refuses to fight people he deems unworthy. this could be because such people haven't done enough for the weight of their sins to kill
them in regards to shun goku satsu. one of his win quotes is even death's too good for you.
I do agree that move has lost a bit of it's luster, but I think it might be more about who the move is used against rather than the move just being weak. Most of the people you mentioned (Guy, Asura, and Gill) aren't really bad guys and therefore would have less weight for the shungokusatsu to work with
Instant prison murder somehow sounds more demonic than raging demon.
"surprise prison sex" would be even better
I pulled off a raging demon after an arial attack in tekken 7 against a friend while button mashing, and I havent been able to top that level of hype since.
It occurs to me that the fight between Yujiro and Kako Kaioh seems to be referencing the Akuma/Gen battle
Heihachi: *survives shun goku satsu*
Kazuya: *casually throws him off a cliff with a marlboro ad smirk*
I had an idea, what if the damage dealt during Shun Goku Satsu was tied to lore? Pure Hearted (not necessarily good) or those in the series with the least amount of sins, 25% damage dealt max. Evil characters or those with large amount of sin, 75% max. Regular characters 50% max
The main problem with that is how the raging demon is balanced usually, because it's an complicated input grab super, it tends to be very high risk and high reward, so it probably would have to be changed if it were to work that way
It's instant hell murder
Kenji words can have contextual meanings depends on what are the adjacent words.
Although it can also mean prison, it's better to translate this with the word hell, because this move literally murder your soul.
No. It's not hell. 地獄 is "hell"
@@vandagylon2885 that's why it's contextual. It can go either way depends on the adjacent words.
But in this case, it's murder releated and where will you go if you die? Prison or hell?
BRO what is that anime officially titled of the street fighter clips in the video?
Gouken learned to empty his soul from Gen.
What game you know have a move that actually kills a character how many times Hachi survived being thrown off a cliff hit by a angelic beam kicked out of buildings and survive so death moves are just moves whether it’s story wise or in game
As for asura, he is a demi-god, he endured much worse than what akuma would pull of. Second, he countered it with his own (for reason of plot, the devs threw that in).
It would be waay faster to sum up fighters who actually did die from it
Never played any of the alphas like that (bcs im not good lol), but I became such a big fan of gen just from sf4, dude is a badass
All I wanna know is what the command for modern raging demon will be.
Down then heavy.
thinking this deep on akuma is insane.
Has it ever occured to these people that Capcom has dropped the who soul destruction aspect of the raging demon and simply made it an instant barrage attack.
It's either that or M.Bison is like King Thanos having Cosmic Ghostrider penance stare him every morning because his soul has no regrets.
What about Cyber Akuma?
great
But what if u been goodman, then whats gonna happen
"Instant Prison Murder" is a way better name.
The shin shoryuken is also powerful until sf4.
My goblin avatar in 6 spamming luke with it. 👹
THE IDEA THAT THE SOUL can be destroyed was never implicit, it is instead meant to subject its target to devine retribution, hence the prison part of its definition; prison would not be a part of its definition if killing the subject was the intent. think of time dilation in a dream. in theory the person would be subjected to pains and sufferings allowed via sympathetic and empathetic enforcement. meaning it would be a heavy guilt trip, with death DENIED. implying there are setups to conscious experiences that are worse than death. as death would be a mercy in such states. cannonically though, there are reported incidences of humans "willing" themselves to death. an option at the end of punishment.
Eh I dunno. Demon is like a 100 bee strings. It MIGHT kill. Probably not. But you don't want yo get stung
What if Satsui No Hado was used not by human being, but some… object, like katana?
I have an interesting concept for new Street Fighter character:
Tsumiki Arikawa - the last member of the Arikawa clan and the wielder of katana, cursed by Satsui No Hado energy.
The Arikawa clan is a clan of assassins who eliminate anyone who use Satsui No Hado techniques by the cursed katana, currently owned by Tsumiki.
As the last descendant of the clan, eighteen-year-old Tsumiki vowed to end the hunt, began by her ancestors, and kill the last known and the most famous master of Satsui No Hado - Akuma.
Tsumiki’s cursed katana has “Raging Shogun” - a technique similar to Raging Demon: Tsumiki ran through the opponent, slashing him by the katana, and after when she put the katana back in the scabbard, opponent is being hit by numerous attacks and one powerful blow in the end.
If the opponent is defeated by Raging Shogun, the ten (heaven) sigil appears in black screen with Tsumiki and her opponent.
Yup, Tsumiki is supposed to be Akuma’s rival.
1. That could be a cool idea
2. I initially read “Raging Shotgun” and imagined them giving Akuma one, haha
He was in tekken he's had a shotgun before
CAPCOM have always been rubbish at maintaining continuity in their storylines.
THEY NEED TO PUT AKUMAS MASTER IN THE GAME
So has Akuma ever actually killing anyone who has a name and unique design?
I have an egghead theory that Akuma and Elena fought each other. Elena getting hit with Shun Goku Satsu and Survives earning Akuma's respect thus becoming friends with him. Yes, that was Canon. For some reason Akuma and Elena are friends lol
But we still love Akuma but laugh at Necalli.
Ghost Rider: Penance Stare!
Akuma: Die one thousand deaths!
Ghost Rider: Umm.. just letting you know. It didn't work.
Akuma: Seriously? I'm leaving.
Any character that gets hit at full health
Devil Joel Perez from tekken
oh wth that movie isn't canon is it? or is EH just using it for visual sources
Soul and body is the same thing.
Man, I love Akuma, as well as Ryu, Ken, Gouken and other karate characters. They are AWSOME! Also the Oni state of Akuma in Ultra Street Fighter 4 was crazy. It's like his ultimate form. Also yeah, I prefer Ultra Street Fighter 4 over Street Fighter 5 and 6. Because SF5 is basically the same game but with story mode and microtransactions and Street Fighter 6 is all about that pop stuff. And I'm metalhead, so I just can't hear all of that meaningless soundtrack in SF6. And also because SF4 has all of the cool characters that I need. And those that are not there you can just mod in and call it a day. On PC at least.
It’s almost like the metaphysical aspect of the move is just some bullshit an employee of Capcom USA made up over a weekend.
Also 9:24 can ya'll do a Talk and Block or something where you talk about MK cus from an outsider it seems just like the game is on fire. I can't see why but it seems everyone is crazy upset.
Maybe we will. I’d have to look in with more research but even with the amount I do know I feel like it’s an absolute shitshow
it's just like vegeta's final flash duh
Shun Goku Sad-su
Only characters Akuma killed is his master Goutetsu and I'm pretty sure Gen is dead especially since he was already at the brink of death and his purpose was Akuma to kill him anyway and Akuma did kill Bison but as we know he survived.
He killed Gill and he resurrected himself while Bison died his soul just got back into his old body since it wans't drestoyed
Thats what he has been doing since the beginning with other characters that can be a body for him
Pretty sure the means that characters used to survive the Raging Demon can not be used by everyone.
Thus exceptions are just that exception not the norm
It’s instant hell murder
I don’t think that the move is weak it’s just cuz akuma approach to things is to fight u straight up u never seen a raging demon behind someone akuma has the ability to teleport behind u but he’s giving u a chance by hitting it right in front of your face instead of behind your back he actually wants to fight u he wants to catch up sleeping mid battle that’s y he gtta unique input u hide doing it but u do it right in front of your opponents face and u know u finished them akuma wouldn’t fight u if u wasn’t worthy
They stole that move from fist of the North Star. Hokuto ryuken style
Killing techniques lose a lot of their bluster when they’re in games where killing is rarely permitted.
Prior to the current saga KOF racked up an impressive kill count during its run.
A good number of those were self inflicted (Rugal, Goenitz, Yashiro), and aside from the complete destruction of Southtown in 2000 there are only a handful of actual kills (NESTS bosses, Shion backstabbing Magaki, Iori killing Mature and Vice, Yashiro sacrificing Shermie along with himself) And thanks to Verse, none of those deaths stuck except for Mature and Vice and they come back as phantoms anyway.
Raging Demon went the same way The Master Lock did in WWE. It got downgraded with continued use.
Or like the crossface post-Benoit, where they made a point of downgrading it to a regular move
Maybe don't use the karmadestroying technique on only people with no sins
It better not perma kill any other characters cos of it does... it'll probably be ibuki cos she my fav and they'll never bring her back cos that's my kinda luck.
It's so strong it could kill off the franchise so Capcom had to nerf it
I can’t watch this video because of your S sounds whistling so sharply.
They should have raging demon kill Luke that shit would be epic
Street fighter is a game.
How many fighting game do you know of that actually kills off characters.
The attack can’t work as intended because it would throw off the game roster.
If Bison died in SF2. Then, he would’ve never been a playable character in any of the later versions. The same with Gill. And all of the other characters named in this video.
it should be thee most devastating move in all of sf period
they nerfed the crap out of it
瞬獄殺… the character 獄 is hell （地獄），not prison （監獄）… 😅
Such is the worf effect - essential the lazy writer's way of making something new seem strong. The downside is, the more it's done, the less strong the original seems.
Love TNG!
they should've died but still go inside street fighter even when their dead or make a dead comedic for them so atleast they know raging demon is the most deadly move but instead they nerfed it.
The Raging Demon is a physical attack (it's a series of point black hadoukens into the body of the opponent, literally blowing them up from within).
The whole nonsense about "spiritual attack" is more Buddhist metaphor than canon.
Anyway, Bison and Akuma never encountered one another in the canon but if they did, Akuma could not kill him.
You also missed Gouken's 2nd encounter with Akuma where they fought to death at the end of SF4 for the life of Ryu, and Gouken won by dodging all of Akuma's attacks. This is ultimately what sets off Akuma to develop new deadly attacks in SSF4, SF5, and SF3 - He literally recognized the futility of his own Raging Demon against certain opponents.
"the whole no sense of spiritual attack" thats literaly in the game lore and another sources what the heck are you talking about, It deals high physical damage but is also based on your sins and can affect your souls thats why doens't work on artificial things like Seth
Akuma killed gill and almost killed Gen, i don't see how Bison could be different even more with his lack of techniques to counter that
That's not Gouken second encounter but the third one, first they where younger and Akuma lost, after that he tryied a second time and Gouken used one of his techniques to empty his soul so the attack wouldn't be fatal
Is not that his technique is futile against other opponents but his improving himself as a fighter and getting new abilities, training everyday to become even stronger than before
You can scape raging demon or interfere with the attack but cost a lot of yourself
Ok this is true but what single move DOES have a high body count? I dont know of any. Furthermore, death isnt the sole barometer of worth for a move. Its like the conservatives talking about how covid didnt solely kill "that many" but there's a big gap between healthy and dead
COVID only killed undesirable people, not much danger in it