Thanks for that fascinating and poignant film. I grew up in Norden in the 1950's and 60's and lived on Woodhouse Lane and had no idea about this tragedy. Thanks for researching into it and making a major contribution to the history of the area.
This is a very powerful account. Thank you for all your work looking into this tragedy in Norden. Fascinating links to William Turner, and the possible influence he had in making this tragedy invisible in the local press.
Certainly David, Happy to. Seen your work on the 26 Riots...Do you do FaceBook? If so you can DM me and we can exchange phone numbers failing that its email
The account I give at the end of the young lad half killed in the pit on Rooley Moor is similar...Newspapers and Ashley's report just say.....At a pit in the vicinity of Rooley Moor. It was a packed court house and the account got national coverage....so who were the owners and which pit was it? Not that they committed the crime but officials turned a blind eye. Most of Ashley's inquiry is quite specific with names but not in this case, again this could have been redacted news as we would say today
All you need is an old camera and we're transported back to the early 2000s. I'm glad we're past child labor. I appreciate we don't live in those times. Thanks for the video.
It's shocking to hear about all of the lives lost 'underground'. I discovered the Husker Pit disaster whilst reading a book titled Women in Welsh Coal Mining by Norena Shopland. You comment in this film that there were 'two sides to industry' in the 1830s and you couldn't be more right. The ruling classes in Britain have a lot to answer for, most especially when we read about children being deformed through working in small tunnels and spaces. It's madness how the British Industrial Revolution used and abused its workforce. Unbelievable and extremely sad.
I am from the village of Silkstone Common, my late mother born there 1934, her father and his family worked in the collieries, mines, day holes in the village woods etc round the village. At one point in the village there was a few mines, one was by the railway station, West Silkstone Colliery, it was called "the Bull and Chain" by the villagers as Westfield House at the top of Blacker Green Lane where pit was had a huge bull in the field opposite it. A miner disappeared from the pit by the name of Arthur Pyrah, before WW1. I'd like to find out more about the mining history of the village and the Wentworth Incline or Plevna as it was referred to by mums aunts and uncles. It was part of the Woodhead route, built in the 1870's along with South Yorkshire Buildings.
Clive, this is one of the best videos I have watched on UA-cam. fantastic presentation and a massive amunt of work you put in to find the details. It beats a lot of mainstream documentary programs in my eyes.
I have been thinking on that Jez...I think the present day owner might be quite curmudgeonly so it maybe from a far...But we got some almost eye witness testimony
Absolutely love this and the way you present it. These are the kind of stories I uncover myself and being in Haslingden, this is more than relevant to me with it being local 👍
Not sure if its because I love Sharpe or have been watching a lot about Mining disasters recently that got yt to recommend your channel RC but I'm glad they did, quality content cheers.
It was sad that I couldn't find the lads grave, its as though every trace of them has been removed. However, thanks to a guy in Rochdale, after reading of the incident, there is now a nice stone memorial in Jubilee Park Norden, to the three lads
I agree with another comment, you should be on TV! So glad the victims have someone to speak up for them, otherwise they'd be virtually forgot which isn't right. I found the 'In your area' article by chance, which led here; there's a photo of you mining 1994? Just seeing it makes me feel claustrophobic, to imagine being in those tiny spaces underground with rising water is horrendous. This country made great riches off Miners doing a tough & dangerous job, least we can do is remember them, & appreciate that we don't live their lives. More I learn about the 'Industrial Revolution', the more I think it wasn't so good; life-quality for 'everyday' people plummeted while others made fortunes off them, it wasn't really 'progress'?
Thank you for your comments. Its great the children are now remembered. Yes that was me in 1994 and the same coal is still being worked today in the same area in the same way, but obviously no children. You do get used to the cramped conditions and they become normal. It is hard to imagine how frightening it would have been for those children and the distresses of their parents.
Fantastic well done and thank you, especially for adding the most relevant closing remarks
Devastating final section Clive. Well thought out & presented throughout.
Clive your presentation is spectacular which makes it enjoyable to listen and watch thanks .
Well presented RIP little brave children
Thanks for that fascinating and poignant film. I grew up in Norden in the 1950's and 60's and lived on Woodhouse Lane and had no idea about this tragedy. Thanks for researching into it and making a major contribution to the history of the area.
Thanks for watching and commenting, it's much apreciated
This is a very powerful account. Thank you for all your work looking into this tragedy in Norden. Fascinating links to William Turner, and the possible influence he had in making this tragedy invisible in the local press.
Certainly David, Happy to. Seen your work on the 26 Riots...Do you do FaceBook? If so you can DM me and we can exchange phone numbers failing that its email
The account I give at the end of the young lad half killed in the pit on Rooley Moor is similar...Newspapers and Ashley's report just say.....At a pit in the vicinity of Rooley Moor. It was a packed court house and the account got national coverage....so who were the owners and which pit was it? Not that they committed the crime but officials turned a blind eye. Most of Ashley's inquiry is quite specific with names but not in this case, again this could have been redacted news as we would say today
Thank you for the interesting video
All you need is an old camera and we're transported back to the early 2000s. I'm glad we're past child labor. I appreciate we don't live in those times. Thanks for the video.
Brilliant research and presentation full of heart.
It's shocking to hear about all of the lives lost 'underground'. I discovered the Husker Pit disaster whilst reading a book titled Women in Welsh Coal Mining by Norena Shopland. You comment in this film that there were 'two sides to industry' in the 1830s and you couldn't be more right. The ruling classes in Britain have a lot to answer for, most especially when we read about children being deformed through working in small tunnels and spaces. It's madness how the British Industrial Revolution used and abused its workforce. Unbelievable and extremely sad.
I am from the village of Silkstone Common, my late mother born there 1934, her father and his family worked in the collieries, mines, day holes in the village woods etc round the village. At one point in the village there was a few mines, one was by the railway station, West Silkstone Colliery, it was called "the Bull and Chain" by the villagers as Westfield House at the top of Blacker Green Lane where pit was had a huge bull in the field opposite it. A miner disappeared from the pit by the name of Arthur Pyrah, before WW1. I'd like to find out more about the mining history of the village and the Wentworth Incline or Plevna as it was referred to by mums aunts and uncles. It was part of the Woodhead route, built in the 1870's along with South Yorkshire Buildings.
Clive you should have a TV series you're amazing. Thank you so much for all you do.
If only eh! Thanks for the compliment. I think Im too old for the Beebs criteria these days😅
Clive, this is one of the best videos I have watched on UA-cam. fantastic presentation and a massive amunt of work you put in to find the details.
It beats a lot of mainstream documentary programs in my eyes.
Thanks very much. Your encouragement really gives me a boost
Thank you Clive for all the hard work and research you put into making this tribute to the memory of 29 young souls. Paul Wild
Thanks for your input Paul and local Knowledge
Fascinating stuff, Clive. Looking forward to one on the Roachburn disaster.
I have been thinking on that Jez...I think the present day owner might be quite curmudgeonly so it maybe from a far...But we got some almost eye witness testimony
Very hard times, especially for children, I lost great grandfather to a mill accident death in US….you do excellent work…learned much. Thanks.
Very well done Clive... A quality Vid n very interesting slice o little known History that You have brought to light... 😉👍👍👍👌✌️🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Sad times indeed Clive, god knows how many lives were lost in the coal mines in them days
Absolutely love this and the way you present it. These are the kind of stories I uncover myself and being in Haslingden, this is more than relevant to me with it being local 👍
Thanks. I have seen some of your videos and enjoyed them. I used to live on Hall Park 30 years ago
MARANATHA ❤
Not sure if its because I love Sharpe or have been watching a lot about Mining disasters recently that got yt to recommend your channel RC but I'm glad they did, quality content cheers.
Thank you very much, I really appreciate that
Very thought provoking, thanks, love any reference to Arch Stanton, why can't church's leave there guests to Rip?
It was sad that I couldn't find the lads grave, its as though every trace of them has been removed. However, thanks to a guy in Rochdale, after reading of the incident, there is now a nice stone memorial in Jubilee Park Norden, to the three lads
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I agree with another comment, you should be on TV! So glad the victims have someone to speak up for them, otherwise they'd be virtually forgot which isn't right. I found the 'In your area' article by chance, which led here; there's a photo of you mining 1994? Just seeing it makes me feel claustrophobic, to imagine being in those tiny spaces underground with rising water is horrendous. This country made great riches off Miners doing a tough & dangerous job, least we can do is remember them, & appreciate that we don't live their lives. More I learn about the 'Industrial Revolution', the more I think it wasn't so good; life-quality for 'everyday' people plummeted while others made fortunes off them, it wasn't really 'progress'?
Thank you for your comments. Its great the children are now remembered. Yes that was me in 1994 and the same coal is still being worked today in the same area in the same way, but obviously no children. You do get used to the cramped conditions and they become normal.
It is hard to imagine how frightening it would have been for those children and the distresses of their parents.