I had a T16000 too back in the day, bought for star citizen, but 4 of it's 7 axis had drift in 6 month, so I went nuclear and went directly for virpil, best decision of my gamer's life
@@carodar34 Virpil announced earlier this months a new "affordable" line up, you might want to keep an eye on that if you can't afford the more expensive one. You also have a other option like VKB and Winwing but I don't know how they keep up in quality with Virpil.
I've been using Alpha Prime + WarBRD HOSAS since late December or early January but I got the Virpil Torq (t rudder helicopter style pedals) to use with them. These pedals only provide two inputs but you can keep your legs more stationary and heals planted on the ground, don't have to worry about spinning office chairs, and it takes up less of a footprint under the desk. I'm was initially going to do roll on the pedals but ended up going with forward/reverse on them instead and strafe up/down left/right on the left stick and roll on left Z axis. Honest I've put most of my time into arena commander and don't even really have all my controls set correctly for PU. Desk or chair mounts are most certainly a must and I think desk is an obvious choice for me. I like to move the sticks further down the desk and out out of my way when I'm not using them but pull them in close when I'm ready to play. I'd also rather have the cables connected to my desk than the chair. Initially I did something that I thought was crazy but had seen other people on forums try and put the soft center cosmos cams in my left stick but the no center cosmos cams in my aiming stick. Honestly one of the main reasons I did this was because I was unsure what I wanted and wished to try both cams but I think I'm going to keep the setup now so it provides a little extra help finding the center and making sure my ship doesn't drift but keeps the smooth pitch and yaw aiming. I also tried the heavy springs briefly just last night but I don't think I like the feel as much and switched them back.
I like the idea of left Z as speed limiter control, especially when I have joystick Z adapter extension. I'll add that to my config. Other than that I use buzzkiller config with pedals and that works really well for me.
I went crazy and bought dual sticks and Virpils foot pedals. Also setup my left virpil with mouse for FPS. Virpil make amazing products. And great video, you gave me few ideas to try out.
You should tighten the clutch damper on the left stick so it stays where you put it. Then change the key bind for the left stick Y to be throttle forward abs. - acting like a traditional throttle where it’s 0-100% forward thrust. You’ll have to bind reverse abs to something else (I used one of the levers on the back - feels nice squeezing it when landing etc). But now you have the best of both HOTAS and HOSAS functions. Clutch damper is new on the prime’s that makes this possible.
I would recommend using the left stick for vertical and horizontal thrusters and pedals for fwd/rev thrust. But its all subject to personal preference and whether or not you want to invest into pedals. I already have the MFG Crosswinds. I feel like I have full control on my ships movements with precision while in decoupled
Virpil is like top of the game i can also reccomend vkbs NXT EVO lineup it is wayy more affordable, modular and the space combat edition stick feels great.
Very well done. The Alpha Prime has some really cool yet complex trigger combinations. Welcome to club Virpil from TM. I imagine its life altering. For mounting, I recommend MonsterTech for the most modularity later. I love that you are using them on a lap desk to counter the extra height issue mounts will add a different feel due to ergonomics. Great vid!
Hey man! I subscribed just because of an error. I thought I seen 562.000 subscribers instead of your 563 now subscribers and said this dude deserves it.
I'm working on a 6dof flight yoke that essentially combines the functionality of a sim racing wheel and a standard flight yoke. I wanted to be able to make something that's compact, intuitive, precise, and able to be used with other games and the flight yoke style seems the most promising. All rotation axis will be mapped to physically tilting the yoke where you want to rotate, so there is a 3 axis gimbal with sensors at the center of the yoke. Strafing will be mapped to a thumbstick on the yoke, though I may test ways of physically translating the yoke up-down/left-right/forward-backward as a way to input translation. My current idea for forward and backward acceleration is to use analog triggers, but I'm not sure about that yet. Eventually I will load up the grips with tons of bottoms and wheels, but I haven't finalized the layout of those. Would love to hear thoughts on whether this sounds practical or stupid.
When I can't find a key bind category for a key that's known, I simply rebind the known key to something else. A warning will appear that tells you the key is already bound elsewhere along with the category for the original binding.
I've been using the dual stick Thrustmaster's you showed for years and yep, the twist rotation on one stick suddenly and sporadically now has input causing one to be unusable. I too have been eyeing the Virpil setup, but have been told by many dual stick is more for combat and a bit of racing, but a single stick with a HOTAS is more ideal for say cargo running (SCU, data, and personnel), which I'm mainly interested in. So I'm going to look at making the switch to using a HOTAS, but excellent coverage of these and they are gorgeous to look at!
There is a guide out there from CiG themselves you should be able to find if you Google importing hotas configs into SC. But, 3.23 master modes are going to make these binds pretty much obsolete I think
They've had sub component targeting in some form or fashion for a few years now. When I tested the binds in 3.22, they didn't appear to do anything, but the input placements are still important to mention
If by this you mean the stick won’t physically twist, there is an Allen key screw near the base of the stick (on the side facing you) that you have to loosen. If you mean that it won’t bind to anything, that a very different answer.
HIGHLY recommend trying out some headtracking with TrackIR or something comparable, it seriously ups the immersion factor to a crazy degree..nothing compares to being able to freely look around while flying.
Why dont u use the triger switches? if u not sure open software click botton 1 change it to swtich save done!!! i use mine for missle mode and q mode but will haveb to switch 1 for mastermodes if i ever come back lol
I had originally wanted to put missile op mode on one of the switches, but didn't realize you could swap them to toggles in virpils software, that's pretty cool
Feel like all the investment I did on my virpils were a mistake since mastermodes makes too arcade the fligth mode, no longer need a space sim joystick since any xbox pad will be a better choice
Thanks for the video, I'm tempted to buy a set myself now due to this vid. How does the transition to non-ship fps work however? since I do a lot of on foot game content like bunkers, parcels etc.
I have mine on one of those cheap lap desk things you can get on Amazon. It usually takes about as long to stash it to the side somewhere as it does getting out of a vehicle seat in SC. I don't attempt to play FPS with the sticks, but someone else in the comments was saying they do
@@Dankfrankest It doesn't look like it. Do you ever have any issues with having your speed limiter on your left stick twist? I'm always inadvertently twisting my sticks without realizing it.
@@GrimGearheart Not so far, only weird part was getting the muscle memory down, but the resistance on the twist seems to be strong enough to prevent mis fires for me anyways
If you think that your inputs are 'weird', you need to see mine. I roll on left X axis with a Z extension. It works though as I'm in the top 20 for racing ;)
Why do people use such weird binds? Its not just plug it in somewhere...its bind it to the best things that all work together with the game, device and your anatomy best. I can switch and reset muscle memory, but the vast majority will just stick with terrible binds forever...so do the best you can to start.
your left stick bindings are super weird to me, up and down on the Y axis? madness, my up and down are the twist (i have the 45 degree adaptor so twist up is up and down is down) y axis is strafe forward back and strafe left right is x axis,
I might do a decoupled approach at some point where I would probably use left Y 4 strafe forward and back. For a coupled/cruise approach, strafe down mirrors nose down from the right sticks Y
I recently switched my roll and yaw and prefer it the same way. I'd use the clutch on the left Y axis and forget cruise control entirely. Nice setup though!
Waiting for my Virpils to show up, almost everything was on backorder but getting into the "4-6 week sweet spot" I keep hearing backorders tend to ship in. I am more a large ship and "industrial" pilot, so decided to stay with the HOTAS setup, with pedals. Using a Logitech x56 HOTAS now. The initial quality was OK, but shocked by how quickly, with fairly light use, they are degrading.
I ordered mine on Black Friday and got them on the 26th of December I believe.? But I know other people who got them sooner not ordering sooner. I assume Black Friday probably causes a larger amount of back orders.
ironicly i have never used sticks i do like this video as i looking to dip into starcitizens not sure i want to use 2 sticks as i think with the memoryzing and only seeing with 1 eye can be a little tricky if i cant see my seccond stick in view i do like the stick though reminds me of the bottom layout almost of a F15 might want to get 1 stick though see if i will like it or not and maybe if money alows me i willget a seccond stick love the video though
The machine running SC is an i9 9900k + 2080. But gameplay looks kinda choppy on that machine if I record at the same time, so I output a feed to a laptop and record it there
@@Mike-fg5bz Actually yes...the Constellation ALPHA $80 cheaper per stick. Doesn't have the RGB that the Prime does and some areas are plastic instead of metal such as the Prime has.
Could you save a file of the mapped buttons so we can copy ? Please. Not to insult your intelligence, but you can find this at. Live, user, client, 0, controls and mappings
@@Dankfrankest I second that. I don't have the time that I used to for gaming. In the past I loved spending hours, days getting my stick inputs set up for Elite Dangerous. These days I barely have the opportunity to sit down to a couple of hours of Star Citizen so having a nice config file like yours would be golden.
@@derekhurd7426 Finally got this taken care of. It's at the bottom of the description. Let me know if something doesn't work for you, I've had folks report trouble in the past.
What I find annoying you pay so much money only get one flight stick.. even the ones meant to be dual flight sticks sell them separately imagine the wasted potential on SELLING THEM TOGEATHER
I think they just need a balance. They need to hit that level where the combat is easy to learn and hard to master, while still being relatively accessible. In my opinion, this can't be done if the combat is too simple
I look at space combat as a slugging match between two boxers. The one that can withstand the most hits using the shields will likely be the winner. Dogfighting won't mean much since energy weapons travel at speeds too fast to dodge them and they can also lock onto you if they are mounted on turrets.@@nade5557
Added exported control mappings file to the description
I can’t seem to use the roc mate ? I’ve tried remapping them do you have any idea what might be up ?
@@OD1N101 it's possible there aren't any mining inputs mapped at all in that exported config. Might have to do those manually
SCJMapper-V2 (SCToolsfactory) is abandoned on github but was excellent for mapping Star Citizen keybinds to HOTAS
Super sick video, man. Really enjoy your stuff and it's clear how much thought you put into the production quality of your content.
Thank you!
I had a T16000 too back in the day, bought for star citizen, but 4 of it's 7 axis had drift in 6 month, so I went nuclear and went directly for virpil, best decision of my gamer's life
Same
i dont have drift on ym double t16 but the precision is shit as hell sadly so i want to change them
@@carodar34 Virpil announced earlier this months a new "affordable" line up, you might want to keep an eye on that if you can't afford the more expensive one. You also have a other option like VKB and Winwing but I don't know how they keep up in quality with Virpil.
Always interesting to see how people set up their sticks.
Need to do a little revision for master modes I suppose
Wow what a video! Use of timing and music choices gave goose bumps. Nice work man!
the only thing i learned with this video is that i need a lapboard too for my hosas setup
Yeah it's handy if you don't have/want seat or desk attach points
Thanks for an informative video without filler.
I've been using Alpha Prime + WarBRD HOSAS since late December or early January but I got the Virpil Torq (t rudder helicopter style pedals) to use with them. These pedals only provide two inputs but you can keep your legs more stationary and heals planted on the ground, don't have to worry about spinning office chairs, and it takes up less of a footprint under the desk. I'm was initially going to do roll on the pedals but ended up going with forward/reverse on them instead and strafe up/down left/right on the left stick and roll on left Z axis.
Honest I've put most of my time into arena commander and don't even really have all my controls set correctly for PU. Desk or chair mounts are most certainly a must and I think desk is an obvious choice for me. I like to move the sticks further down the desk and out out of my way when I'm not using them but pull them in close when I'm ready to play. I'd also rather have the cables connected to my desk than the chair.
Initially I did something that I thought was crazy but had seen other people on forums try and put the soft center cosmos cams in my left stick but the no center cosmos cams in my aiming stick. Honestly one of the main reasons I did this was because I was unsure what I wanted and wished to try both cams but I think I'm going to keep the setup now so it provides a little extra help finding the center and making sure my ship doesn't drift but keeps the smooth pitch and yaw aiming. I also tried the heavy springs briefly just last night but I don't think I like the feel as much and switched them back.
I can see myself picking up some pedals at some point for sure
Highly recommend getting the z-axis mount from virpil for the left stick to make it a true throttle. It's a game changer.
Might do this for the next one
I like the idea of left Z as speed limiter control, especially when I have joystick Z adapter extension. I'll add that to my config. Other than that I use buzzkiller config with pedals and that works really well for me.
I went crazy and bought dual sticks and Virpils foot pedals. Also setup my left virpil with mouse for FPS. Virpil make amazing products. And great video, you gave me few ideas to try out.
You should tighten the clutch damper on the left stick so it stays where you put it. Then change the key bind for the left stick Y to be throttle forward abs. - acting like a traditional throttle where it’s 0-100% forward thrust. You’ll have to bind reverse abs to something else (I used one of the levers on the back - feels nice squeezing it when landing etc). But now you have the best of both HOTAS and HOSAS functions.
Clutch damper is new on the prime’s that makes this possible.
What would you use for strafe up and down in that scenario? Twist perhaps?
@@Dankfrankest yeah, I have the left stick Omni’d with their Z extension. Left stick strafe up/down is Z twist up/down.
I would recommend using the left stick for vertical and horizontal thrusters and pedals for fwd/rev thrust. But its all subject to personal preference and whether or not you want to invest into pedals. I already have the MFG Crosswinds. I feel like I have full control on my ships movements with precision while in decoupled
Virpil is like top of the game
i can also reccomend vkbs NXT EVO lineup
it is wayy more affordable, modular and the space combat edition stick feels great.
Very well done. The Alpha Prime has some really cool yet complex trigger combinations. Welcome to club Virpil from TM. I imagine its life altering. For mounting, I recommend MonsterTech for the most modularity later. I love that you are using them on a lap desk to counter the extra height issue mounts will add a different feel due to ergonomics. Great vid!
insane setup very cool
Hey man! I subscribed
just because of an error. I thought I seen 562.000 subscribers instead of your 563 now subscribers and said this dude deserves it.
Great video man! Ill be looking out for more!
I’m with you on the yaw on twist. It just makes sense. My mind just doesn’t associate twist with roll…
You're gd right
How did you assign your salvage arms to be controlled with the hat on the joystick rather than the mouse?
I'm working on a 6dof flight yoke that essentially combines the functionality of a sim racing wheel and a standard flight yoke. I wanted to be able to make something that's compact, intuitive, precise, and able to be used with other games and the flight yoke style seems the most promising. All rotation axis will be mapped to physically tilting the yoke where you want to rotate, so there is a 3 axis gimbal with sensors at the center of the yoke. Strafing will be mapped to a thumbstick on the yoke, though I may test ways of physically translating the yoke up-down/left-right/forward-backward as a way to input translation. My current idea for forward and backward acceleration is to use analog triggers, but I'm not sure about that yet. Eventually I will load up the grips with tons of bottoms and wheels, but I haven't finalized the layout of those. Would love to hear thoughts on whether this sounds practical or stupid.
Probably would have to try it out before I'd know for sure
Can someone give link to a hosas brands guide or how to choose what hosas to get just a buyer guide since im very new to this type of controllers
My dream setup
I have the same sticks but I can’t get your mapping to work after importing it, it’s like all the bindings army lining up
When I can't find a key bind category for a key that's known, I simply rebind the known key to something else. A warning will appear that tells you the key is already bound elsewhere along with the category for the original binding.
hey could you link where you got the set up?
So i just got this setup and my brain is hurting trying to map this out.
How would these sticks feel with fps games? I’ve been waiting a dual stick setup for Virtual On robot action
Not sure, haven't tried with anything other than SC so far
I've been using the dual stick Thrustmaster's you showed for years and yep, the twist rotation on one stick suddenly and sporadically now has input causing one to be unusable. I too have been eyeing the Virpil setup, but have been told by many dual stick is more for combat and a bit of racing, but a single stick with a HOTAS is more ideal for say cargo running (SCU, data, and personnel), which I'm mainly interested in. So I'm going to look at making the switch to using a HOTAS, but excellent coverage of these and they are gorgeous to look at!
Thank you! Virpil's Mongoos Throttle is very tasty looking, but I don't know much about it yet
Hey @josh Baker How do I load these control? Have had issues with my hotas and sorta gave up on using them and want to take a crack at it again.
There is a guide out there from CiG themselves you should be able to find if you Google importing hotas configs into SC. But, 3.23 master modes are going to make these binds pretty much obsolete I think
get the Z mount for the left stick
I just might
what is the name of the sticks you have in the videos HOSAS.. I would love to get the same ones.
Handling those sticks with care 🖤
👀
how much did this setup cost? or HOTAS in general? im thinking of getting one
$1100 lol
Just curious, but didnt subcomponent targeting come out in 3.23 and 2 month ago would have been evocati...
They've had sub component targeting in some form or fashion for a few years now. When I tested the binds in 3.22, they didn't appear to do anything, but the input placements are still important to mention
I just got virpil sticks and the twist doesn't work how do I fix this
If by this you mean the stick won’t physically twist, there is an Allen key screw near the base of the stick (on the side facing you) that you have to loosen. If you mean that it won’t bind to anything, that a very different answer.
Shlick.
HIGHLY recommend trying out some headtracking with TrackIR or something comparable, it seriously ups the immersion factor to a crazy degree..nothing compares to being able to freely look around while flying.
would these be good for small hands would you say?
Why dont u use the triger switches? if u not sure open software click botton 1 change it to swtich save done!!! i use mine for missle mode and q mode but will haveb to switch 1 for mastermodes if i ever come back lol
I had originally wanted to put missile op mode on one of the switches, but didn't realize you could swap them to toggles in virpils software, that's pretty cool
Feel like all the investment I did on my virpils were a mistake since mastermodes makes too arcade the fligth mode, no longer need a space sim joystick since any xbox pad will be a better choice
this is super sad ;(, it is always better when it's hard
Thanks for the video, I'm tempted to buy a set myself now due to this vid. How does the transition to non-ship fps work however? since I do a lot of on foot game content like bunkers, parcels etc.
I have mine on one of those cheap lap desk things you can get on Amazon. It usually takes about as long to stash it to the side somewhere as it does getting out of a vehicle seat in SC. I don't attempt to play FPS with the sticks, but someone else in the comments was saying they do
Does this have more/different buttons than the standard Constellation Alphas?
Not sure, tbh
@@Dankfrankest It doesn't look like it. Do you ever have any issues with having your speed limiter on your left stick twist? I'm always inadvertently twisting my sticks without realizing it.
@@GrimGearheart Not so far, only weird part was getting the muscle memory down, but the resistance on the twist seems to be strong enough to prevent mis fires for me anyways
If you think that your inputs are 'weird', you need to see mine. I roll on left X axis with a Z extension. It works though as I'm in the top 20 for racing ;)
Legend
Why do people use such weird binds? Its not just plug it in somewhere...its bind it to the best things that all work together with the game, device and your anatomy best. I can switch and reset muscle memory, but the vast majority will just stick with terrible binds forever...so do the best you can to start.
Thanks for the video and the profile but I would like someone to upload a profile with hosas + vpc ace for starcitizen
your left stick bindings are super weird to me, up and down on the Y axis? madness, my up and down are the twist (i have the 45 degree adaptor so twist up is up and down is down) y axis is strafe forward back and strafe left right is x axis,
I might do a decoupled approach at some point where I would probably use left Y 4 strafe forward and back. For a coupled/cruise approach, strafe down mirrors nose down from the right sticks Y
I recently switched my roll and yaw and prefer it the same way. I'd use the clutch on the left Y axis and forget cruise control entirely. Nice setup though!
Someone else was mentioning the clutch dampener. I should try that, and maybe also do a decoupled focused approach as well 🤔
@@Dankfrankest the z axis extension to make an omnithrottle is also something to consider. You kinda get the best of both HOSAS/HOTAS worlds
Shake and bake
How do you import the binds into VPC?
Never tried that, the file in the description is for importing into Star Citizen
@@Dankfrankest thanks!
Waiting for my Virpils to show up, almost everything was on backorder but getting into the "4-6 week sweet spot" I keep hearing backorders tend to ship in. I am more a large ship and "industrial" pilot, so decided to stay with the HOTAS setup, with pedals. Using a Logitech x56 HOTAS now. The initial quality was OK, but shocked by how quickly, with fairly light use, they are degrading.
Mine took a couple of weeks, they seem to be pretty efficient over there
I ordered mine on Black Friday and got them on the 26th of December I believe.? But I know other people who got them sooner not ordering sooner. I assume Black Friday probably causes a larger amount of back orders.
ironicly i have never used sticks i do like this video as i looking to dip into starcitizens not sure i want to use 2 sticks as i think with the memoryzing and only seeing with 1 eye can be a little tricky if i cant see my seccond stick in view i do like the stick though reminds me of the bottom layout almost of a F15
might want to get 1 stick though see if i will like it or not and maybe if money alows me i willget a seccond stick love the video though
if you put them on the sides of your chair seems to work well
by any chance you can share your virpil profile in star citizen?
I'm assuming you can turn the rgb off for the alpha prime sticks?
I think so, yeah
Definitely.
I just got the alphas, not prime but Im in love with them! @Dankfrankest
What is your computer setup? for a smooth running game
The machine running SC is an i9 9900k + 2080. But gameplay looks kinda choppy on that machine if I record at the same time, so I output a feed to a laptop and record it there
@@Dankfrankest thank you, gb ram?
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Does Virpil have a version of these sticks without the silly RGB lights?
@@GraphiteSC I figured that was an option but wondering if they have a version without RGB that would be a bit cheaper. I'll go over and have a look.
No, nothing cheaper, it's the best sticks on the market
@@Mike-fg5bz Actually yes...the Constellation ALPHA $80 cheaper per stick. Doesn't have the RGB that the Prime does and some areas are plastic instead of metal such as the Prime has.
what stick are thease? looking super good quality
I'm not trying to be rude i appreciate the video and review , you might want to listen to your video on youtube , it sounds really digitized
Could you save a file of the mapped buttons so we can copy ? Please. Not to insult your intelligence, but you can find this at. Live, user, client, 0, controls and mappings
Finally got around to this, in the description
You’re the man !
Now I’ll re-sticker all my buttons 🤪😭🙈🤣
@@OD1N101 Heeellll no
You got an export of your config?
I should probably do that
@@Dankfrankest I second that. I don't have the time that I used to for gaming. In the past I loved spending hours, days getting my stick inputs set up for Elite Dangerous. These days I barely have the opportunity to sit down to a couple of hours of Star Citizen so having a nice config file like yours would be golden.
@@Dankfrankest You put it somewhere?
@@derekhurd7426 Finally got this taken care of. It's at the bottom of the description. Let me know if something doesn't work for you, I've had folks report trouble in the past.
link to product?
Bro is it rlly that hard to google virpil ? Gosh ….
What I find annoying you pay so much money only get one flight stick.. even the ones meant to be dual flight sticks sell them separately imagine the wasted potential on SELLING THEM TOGEATHER
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They should make space combat as simple as possible. No DCS level "realism" or energy management.
But then I wouldn't have backed the project
Yes, only very few gamers can appreciate the complexity of some flight sims.@@Dankfrankest
I think they just need a balance. They need to hit that level where the combat is easy to learn and hard to master, while still being relatively accessible. In my opinion, this can't be done if the combat is too simple
I look at space combat as a slugging match between two boxers. The one that can withstand the most hits using the shields will likely be the winner. Dogfighting won't mean much since energy weapons travel at speeds too fast to dodge them and they can also lock onto you if they are mounted on turrets.@@nade5557
so you want an arcade game cool go play elite dangerous then
Wouldn't waste my Virpils on Star Citizen, or my old dual thrustmasters, kb+m is good enough
🤣
Shake and bake