Yea you still have to change your oil with not too many miles synthetic sludges smooth regular oil sludges lumpy. When I would tear down engines would find that out . I'm not paying the difference have had no engine issues. Done
Dude after 3-4 awesome EcoBoost motor equipped vehicles ...I ONLY use full synthetic oil & motorcraft filter. Ur golden . Millions of Ford truck lovers will agree. THEY ARE WRONG.
Guess that saleman didnt see the torture test vid with live engine break down to see what if anything happened to it..That vid was out yrs ago..They took a f150 eb off the assembly line and ran the guts outta it ..Race track,hauled logs outta the woods and a bunch more stuff that i now forget but they hammered it...Final results was typical engine wear nothin wild or extreme in any way..
took my car to walmart and brought them my own oil. They put in their crap in and kept my bottle unopened up on the counter. Said to me that they used my oil. That was the last time I hired someone to work on my car.
I ran full synthetic the entire time I had my EcoBoost. Not a single issue. Penzoil ultra platinum and usually a wix or mobil 1 filter. $50~ and changed it myself. Easy 30 min job.
@gregatron4528 I sold the truck in 2019 @ 77k miles. Everything pretty much ran great for the time I had the truck. I had a misfire once and CEL once, but that was more related to the intercooler.
I run full synthetic oil in everything I own, have for a lot of years. I’ve had the dealership change it, as well as done it myself. I have never had my dealership tell me not to use the full synthetic.
hope u didnt use that junk when your engine was in the break in period should of used what the owners manual called for otherwise shit didnt seat right
There are mechanics who claim to have observed negative effects of extended oil change intervals claimed by synthetic oil advocates. Also synthetic oil sometimes stops the breaking in of the rings. Synthetic oil is more stable at higher temperatures than conventional oil. Personally, I use synthetic in my cars, and when I see color in the oil on the dipstick, I change it. I did run a 1994 Accord from new with conventional oil and synthetic blend oil for years, and it finally gave up the ghost at 550,000 miles.
@@tybalee he stated in the beginning of the video he has a 3.5 EcoBoost. Lol. I looked up the reasons why you shouldn't use synthetic. It doesn't happen in everyone's trucks. But there were reports that synthetic was making the valves chatter after some time. Which can obviously cause damage.
The most important thing you can do, no matter what oil you use is to do the first interval oil change on or before the recommended change interval since that will contain the microscopic metal particles from the initial break- in. Crude base oils deteriorate faster than synthetics whether full or a blend. There was an in depth article written by an independent master H.D. mechanic, for American Iron motorcycle magazine. I refer to the article because oil maintenance in air cooled Harley engines is more critical due to the wide fluctuations of temperatures that water-cooled engines normally do not experience. One of the stated facts was that crude oils begi breaking down their protective additives around 240 degrees and synthetics don't do that until about 270 degrees. Making the arguement that synthetics are better than crude oils. Most water-cooled vehicles today generally run around 200 to 220 degrees which aids in more efficient fuel burning and less emissions. But the extended change intervals of synthetics are partly due to the higher temperature protection of the additives. I believe that after the break-in that synthetics are superior protection, they are slippier and reduce friction, which equals reduced heat. The only time I would hesitate using synthetic is if a high mileage engine has always run crude base oil and then you swapped to synthetic you will possibly experience an increase in the synthetic dissipating because there is a higher wear factor in the lubricated parts from the long term use of crudes.
The dealer didn't tell me to not use synthetic oil , but the owners manual that came with my truck says to use synthetic blend. I use synthetic blend from Motorcraft.
I believe these cars can use either synthetic blend or full synthetic. They mention both Motorcraft formulas with the same Ford Spec number. My recollection is that my dealer offers the choice of either one; the full synthetic is more expensive.
I'm 65 and have had many vehicles, the worst service and the most BS has always occurred at the dealerships. I've used synthetic oils for 25 yrs without problems.
Ive had the opposite experience. No matter where i go, independent shops have been mostly scam artists. The worst was a transmission failure in my outback after a cv axle change. Was impossible to prove but it was pretty telling when the dealership quoted me 700 dollars cheaper to replace the tranny than the shop that im 99% sure fucked up my car on the post-cv install test drive. Not to mention when dealerships give u a loaner car it actually works. Got stranded by the loaner car from the independent shop due to the engine overheating from 5 under the speedlimit normal driving.
Wow, I never heard a dealership say that. But after break-in miles. Full synthetic is best. Especially a turbo engine. I had a 89 F150 with 5.0. I change the oil with regular oil 2000-2500 mile. Full synthetic oil about 5000 miles. I had 289k miles sold it. Motor was still clean, no keaks. Sitting outside I just waxed it 4x per year no rust.
Ok I bought a 350 Chevy crate motor for my pickup..I ran regular Valvoline for the first 2 oil changes..after that I ran Valvoline and mixed in 2 quarts of full synthetic..I mudded that truck hard for the next 2 years then sold it to my brother in law..He mudded it and drove it to work daily..20 miles one way for close to 5 years..blew a head gasket.tore it down and called to come look at it.You could still see the marks in the cylinders from the factory with no ridge on top..Bearings and crank looked new..My 4runner I run Mobil 1..put new filter add one quart at 5,000 miles..change it out at 10,000 miles..350,000 plus on a 04 4.0 V6..
My two cents worth, I have a 2015 Chevy Silverado crew cab with the 5.3 V8 AFM engine, that I purchased used with 20k miles on her, I took my truck to the dealer to have my routine service maintenance performed and I always requested full synthetic oil placed into the engine, and each time I ask, the dealer serviceman, what did they put in her, they told me, they placed synthetic oil in the engine. Long story short, after the last oil change, my truck started running sluggish, and I started hear more engine noise than usual, a lot of ticking, or piston slapping, and the oil indicator said the oil has 60% of life left and at the same time my MPG was dropping like crazy. After researching what could be the problem, I discovered the majority of drivers used Full Synthetic oil without issue, so I decided to not go back to the dealer for oil changes, I'll do it myself, and WOW what a difference. I used Pennzoil Platinum Full Synthetic, and a Purolator Boss oil filter, and now my MPG's is steadily climbing, it went from (9.3 -to 12.6) mpg, and this is just city driving. I believe you can't go wrong using Full Synthetic oil, it has way better properties than conventional or synthetic blend oils, and you get way longer service intervals with full Synthetic. My opinion, don't trust the dealer service like I did, go with what you know is Right.. Full Synthetic oil all the way, your engine will thank you for it!!!!!!!!!
Hey I have used synthetic oil in one of my work trucks after a break in period with regular oil specified by manufacturer. The trucks are on a regular maintenance program with our shop. I really didn’t see any outstanding benefits of using full synthetic oils over conventional ones. Proper maintenance is the key.
Im not fond with a blend...To me its like changeing 4 new spark( in an 8 cyl) plugs and just leaveing originals in no matter how good or bad they are..
No car or truck manufacturers use break-in oil. That happened back in the 50's when engines were a lot different. I would make your first oil change sooner than your normal change interview, however. I would change it in about 2000-5000 miles to remove any metal particles or chips that might have occurred during the beginning of engine operation. Also, it is important to vary engine speed frequently during the first 500 miles to help seat piston rings and other parts. Also, it is important to be easy on the brakes to break them in right and to prevent excessive rotor and pad wear in the future.
As far as break-in, the factory fill is supposed to protect against excessive heat and "glazing" of the cylinder walls unlike regular non break-in oil. But once the rings have broken in nicely, the oil should be there with sufficient film strength for eliminating friction metal-to-metal and proper cooling. Ford seem to be the masters of designed obsolescence and therefore I would suspect anything they told me. Friction is not good. But I have heard of two problems from some synthetic oils for certain cars: Gasket weep and lack of carbon which for some rings is apparently beneficial to combustion chamber sealing. In conclusion, if a clean, strong oil did not work well in a new engine then I would say there is something wrong with that engine.
Just saw this. Full synthetic for all three of my fords. I have a 2019 f150 5.0 and immediately changed to full synthetic. Never had an issue with any of my vehicles engine wise. Like others have said the dealer shop is full of da’s and ignorant. You did the right thing.
I own several vehicles. One of my back up vehicles is a 2003 Ford Explorer that I bought new. I changed to Mobil 1 at 700 miles. It now has 227k miles. Runs quiet and smooth. Has plenty of power. Does Ford know they have a crazy lying dealer????? My current primary vehicle is a 2016 diesel that REQUIRES Full Synthetic.
I totally agree with op! Had certain dealerships tell me that the rings didn’t wear in properly with synthetic oil. I call bs! Never had a problem using synthetic.
I've used Amsoil (full synthetic) in two ecoboost engines and now my coyote engine, allF150s, from 500 miles on. Zero issues at all. First was a lease, 40,000 miles, second was a buy, 33,000 miles, new one is a buy, 13.700 so far. Not sure who you talked to at this dealer but I was a master Ford tech for 15+ years and I would NEVER tell any customer that kind of nonsense! I've run full synthetic oils in so many vehicles, high mileage or brand new, didn't matter. No issues ever. Don't listen to a service adviser. There's a reason that they're not wrenching. They know nothing when it comes to automotive.
I’ve never heard the term “engine isn’t proven”. They used to say until the rings have seated but that should happen by a few thousand miles. It seems to me they are just trying to find an excuse to blame the owner. If a good synthetic oil is a problem the problem isn’t the oil!
I would say the first 500 miles for break in, no full throttle and not over 65mph. Then use synthetic and forget it until your oil change light comes on, on occasion check the oil level and color to be sure it's not prematurely getting diluted from running to rich which happened on our Kia, we could never use annual oil because it had to be changed by about 7k no matter what synthetic we used.
Conventional vs Synthetic Oil Should you use synthetic oil in your engine? Simply put, it is a superior product. The only detractor is price, but that can be mitigated by the extended service intervals. Many vehicles don’t need an oil change for 10,000 or 15,000 miles. This is from Blue Springs Ford website!
10k oil changes are absurd. 5k maximum as most people are actually running their vehicle hard. Stop and go city driving IS running a vehicle hard and that is 80% of what people do with their vehicle. Long term ownership will become a massive headache if you change every 10k miles. Prolly can get away with it until about 100k but after that the internal wear will start to show its face and its prolly the reason most people have so many problems with new vehicles.
Back in the early 2000s when Volkswagen’s 1.8T engines were new, American dealers used conventional oil with longer synthetic intervals. Didn’t take long for these engines to develop sludge. After three or so years, they realized they screwed up and switched to synthetic (which stopped the sludge issue). Turbochargers get hot and break oil down quicker. The benefit of synthetic is that it doesn’t break down as easily with heat.
I agree. They are miserable mechanics in dealerships and I don't know why. They work 9-5 no weekends. What miserable life. Losers. Glad I'm an automotive technician But with all the warranty and etc I still don't use them for my oil change.
I always follow what my computer says. When it says change oil soon i change the oil period ! My engines have lasted 250K plus miles on all my ford trucks and have never had any engine problems. I always use Full synthetic oil but that's just me.
I've always used Mobil 1 in all of my cars. '99 Cobra, '03 Cobra, '12 Mustang and my '02 Exploder. They all run like a top. No problems ever. Synthetic is the way to go.
Some manufacturers actually do recommend a blended oil during the engine break-in period. However that’s usually only until the first oil change and something I haven’t seen in recent years.
I always run full synthetic mobile 1 in all my trucks. One 2003 f250 v10 with 277,000 miles. 2008 f250 v10 with 180,000. And a 2011 eco boost with only 33,000 miles. Never gave us one issue. I have also seen high mileage ecoboost from 2011 that have 200,000 miles or more and use full synthetic. That dealership is bs.
Just bought a used 2019 F150…dealership full synthetic cost: $105. Just came back from auto store…$36 for Mobile 1 full synthetic & filter (they were running a special)…so yeah…I’ll be changing my own oil moving forward. Good video! 👍🏻👍🏻
I always used full synthetic on all my vehicles new or used but if I owned an ecoboost engine I definitely recommend using full synthetic cuz turbo engines run hotter than NA gas engines so you’re gonna want to use full synthetic oil it’s gonna have more additives for the excess heat especially for the turbos themselves
I run Mobil 1,I run it in all my vehicles.. I have an edge with a 3.5 (No turbo) with just over 200,000 miles and not even a leak on my garage floor.. I run in my '17 3.5 F150 ecoboost with no problems to date.
Stay with motorcraff synthetic blend .my 1998 mustang gt run it whole life now 260000miles .I switch one to full synthetic mobile 1 ...the same viscosity 5w30 it leaks crazy ..switch back to synthetic blend 1 week after. Use only motorcraff synthetic blend if you own Ford.if you love your engine(I know you're) change your oil 1000 mile sooner than recommended and enjoy😁
@@DS-TRUCKS just leave that to the FORD GT .basically full synthetic design for high performance vehicle. Just like Gatorade and water..not a sport guy? Stick with water.
Modern engines run hotter with variable valve timing , and turbo chargers . TDI, and GDI engines , I know newer cars require full synthetic . Maybe on a newer truck there is a break in period but best thing to do is look at your owners manual. Put it what the manual says it even has the intervals when it should be changed .
Full synthetic is a misconception. True synthetic oil has no crude in it it’s a PAO. The only full PAO base synthetic oil is amsoil. With the exception of pennzoil with is made from natural gas. PAO oils are pure and molecule chains are the exact same size and shape so in theory there is a perfect layer of lubrication with no dry spots. Other synthetic oils are made from hydrocracked crude. The crude is ultra refined giving it better properties. The FTC said because hydrocracking crude gives it properties of synthetic it can be marketed as such. As far as synthetic blends I’m not sure what fords standards are but GM dexos1 standard requires oil to be 50% synthetic. I think when Valvoline durablend came out it was a 25% synthetic blend.
Amsoil signature synthetic Talk to corporate. I have used it since 1979 and have never had to rebuild a motor . I had a 1977 ford Granada with a straight 6 cylinder engine with 300,000 miles on it I only had to rebuild the top end of the motor but I always end up selling the cars but they were always far from being worn out I had a 1988 ford mustang gt. With the Amsoil bypass filter on it every thing was converted over to Amsoil, engine, transmission, rear end and Amsoil air filter Sold it with 160,000 miles on it the car had nothing wrong with it far from being worn out. Ed green wood got me involved in Amsoil at the Oregon state fair he polluted the oil with graphite tried to filter it out with the top selling oil filter and it didn't work then he filters it through a Amsoil filters with a bypass filter and the oil cleaned it up like it was freshly poured from the bottle the filters first sold me and started using Amsoil since the late 1970s early 1980s and since Amsoil signature synthetic oil is the best oil on the market. I have run turbo cars and trucks and semi trucks and 2 years on an SCCA race team also I have worked 3 years for mountain oil company blending custom lubricants and have been exposed to oil and synthetics that the best has to offer Dyson Oil company out of Oklahoma makes a good product also.
Owners manual on a new motorcycle I purchased said do not use synthetic for at least 3000 miles? The reason was that the engine would not break in properly?
I bought a tractor with a Kohler engine, they said to run conventional oil for the first 50 hours before changing over to synthetic. I believe their reasoning is that the rings and other various parts need to break in with conventional because it is not as slick as synthetic and you get a proper wear pattern. But I like you I break my engine in with factory oil and at 1st oil change go full synthetic. I run synthetic in my lawn mower, weedeater which is 4 cycle and in my Toyota tacoma 4.0. And transmissions are sealed now. Go synthetic and forget it.
As a retired mechanic I will give my opinion, they want the engine to seat in before owners use synthetic, but I feel 50 hrs is excessive. I believe you would want to use synthetic before you get a wear of 50 hrs.. 5 hr with standard oil and at least 5 cycles of bringing to engine up to normal operating temperature and complete cool is sufficient for break in. I personally changed mine to synthetic at 3hrs.. I run synthetic in everything I own with excellent results. I have used synthetic in a Harley engine which runs just as hot or hotter than the kohler with zero problems or LEAKS. But definitely do what your comfortable with.
Synthetic Oil Is NOT Slicker Than Conventional Oil ... Synthetic Maintains Viscosity And Film Strength Between Moving Metal Parts At Higher Than Normal Temperatures VS. Conventional Dino. Juice .... Any Oil WILL Break Down Under Extreme Heat Or Shear Pressure .... Synthetic Just Allows You To Really Push The Envelope Harder Before Metal On Metal Destructive Wear Occurs !! -Thanks 😎
Spot on my friend!! Mobile 1 in ALL of my vehicles starting from the first oil change. Never had any issues EVER!!! My daughter is still driving our Toyota Yaris with more than 230,000 miles and it doesn't burn a drop of oil. Why? because I always put Mobile 1 in it. That car is going to make it to 300,000 easily. Completely agree with your thoughts. Full synthetic oil does not break down and THAT ensures your parts have less wear and last way longer!!!
I use M1 full synthetic in all my vehicles, outboards, tractors, and even my coffee. Now, there are situations when full is not good. Most important is to change ahead of it breaking down and not relying on the BS 10k and 20k intervals they push.
I just got my 1st service on my new 2019 2.7 f150, took it to dealer where I bought it and they said the same thing and I went with the blend because of what they said, now doing research about synthetic. Thats what led me to your you tube video.
Great video I own since new a 2002 F150 XLT Super Cab 5.4 Triton 2 valve 4x4 with 4 speed auto 138,000 miles with 3.55 tow package and been using synthetic blend oil and happy that I get 16 mpg. BTW never trust a computer to tell you when to change your oil. Pull the dipstick and wipe with a white napkin and use your eyes to determine dirty oil.
Dah faq!? I've had the dealership do a full synthetic change, they didn't say anything. Also, i called three different dealerships (two metro Detroit and one out of town) to find out what transfer case fluid to use...three different answers. Eventually, I tracked down the current fluid via forums and old mercon#...TL;DR.... dealerships are weird.
I run Pennzoil platinum on all my vehicles, including my Ford Expedition. I get genuine Motor Craft parts except for the air/oil filters and the engine oil.
As a Ford tech , that is BS . I had a service manager that was a pencil pusher and did not know anything about an engine. If you think that the oil application is what is on the oil cap you are wrong. It was put there for the all around preferred for the whole US . Read your owners manual and it tells you what you should use for your climate. He argued with me so I knew the tech line number to Ford and made him look like a ignorant little boy. Synthetic oil only way to go.
You are correct sir . Ford just hasn't figured out how to use synthetic oil and keep the engine desighn fuel efficient at the same time. There new ring paks and piston desighn are known to use oil .
I’m the old days, early 1980’s they told u to use Conventional oil until engine was fully broken in. Usually somewhere around 12,000 miles only because it would never break in correctly with full synthetic. Again just a myth
Especially with a turbo, you should always use full synthetic. With all my new vehicles, I do the first oil change at 1k with full synthetic. One of my Cadillac vehicles came with free oil changes for 4 years. When I took it for the first oil change, I told the service advisor that if full synthetic was not included I pay the difference. He told me not to worry because they only carry full synthetic. I don't know why Ford still uses blends.
@@Davido50 if they change their oil with synthetic blend every 5k or so anyways they would never get the full benefits of wasted money on a full synthetic which only real gain is its guna last more miles
beau smith I know more about engines than you probably ever will. Ford calls for a synthetic blend in their most sensitive 2.7 ecoboost motor for example I change it every 5k miles if my neighbor had the same car and used a full synthetic and changed it every 10k miles as most full synthetics call for these days I’m confident my motor would have less wear if I tore them apart and examined each the main benefit of a full synthetic is the oil lasts more miles before breaking down study oil harder pal
@@lolz616 ok keyboard mechanic use your shitty semi . im sure your a great forum mechanic. your probably the guy that uses bama tunes and think a cold air intake increases horsepower lmao
Cam phasers fail from not keeping the oil changed. And go by the recommended service intervals for "heavy or rough use" no matter how it's used. Unless you like replacing them, change your oil no later than 5k miles
Wow that’s crazy, I’m pretty sure that all these new engines that are forced induction and direct injection requires synthetic oil!! And I use synthetic in my Sierra and Subaru. Sounds like the dealer is trying to make you have issues with your engine so you gotta bring it in, and they should not be asking how you financed the vehicle!!
I have always been told never use full synthetic oil during the break period not sure if there’s anything to it? But you can’t go wrong with the blended oils either just change your oil and filter every 5k to 7k you will be fine.
Every ford dealership will tell you to put a blend in the 2018 F 150. I’m at 47 thousand and have put a blend in my vehicle every time. My car has been absolutely perfect the mechanics definitely know there stuff. Not saying there is anything wrong with synthetic. Thanks Great Video
DonnaSean Not if you buy the bug jugs of domestic synthetic when on sale....some auto parts stores even sell Motorcraft products but seriously research who makes Motorcraft. There is nothing magical about it. Its an oil. Mimic its tech standards for viscocity with a cheaper and better product.
What I understand: conventional oil has larger molecules. Synthetic has small molecules & has better cleaning. Always change fluids sooner than recommended if you want your truck to last. You take care of your Ford it will take care of you and your family.....
Actually I took my F150 to the dealer and they gave me the option between full or blended synthetic Motorcraft oil.I chose the Full synthetic Motorcraft.
《My opinion》 5w-Anything these days is synthetic blend because it's cheaper to blend than to refine to the thin side. 2) one could make a case that synthetic is too slick for proper break in. I'm more inclined to favoring its high temperature strength in a turbocharged vehicle.
Full synthetic is the best by far. I like to use it simply because it last longer. It’s worth the extra cost. The most important guideline is to follow your owners manual for correct oil type, viscosity, and change interval.
Good oil in a bad engine is still better than bad oil in a bad engine. I've seen "bad" engines come back to run better after being serviced with better fluids done more frequently.
They asked because if it is leased the dealership is responsible for the overall maintenance done to the truck. If it’s leased and you’re putting the wrong kind of oil in it, it’s technically breaking terms of the lease.
@@Apothas541 you are 100% worng... If the dealer is responsible for the maintenance then they wouldn't even have to ask if the vehicle was leased... Why even ask... The maintenance of a leased vihicle is the responsibility of the individual who leased the vehicle.
@@Apothas541 Depends on who caused it..... if the leaser caused it by fault or if it was just a lemon engine.... if they mistreated the car or engine maintenance rules and put something stupid into the engine and caused it to go out its their fault obviously as the leases at least every one ive ever heard of say any damage cause by leaser they are responsible for.. if they didnt put anything into the tank or engine they werent suppose to and did their maintenance and its just a bad engine im sure dealer could warranty fix
I have used Motorcraft synthetic blend 5w30 on My2012 Lincoln MKS Ecoboost tuned 450 Hp. and my 2015 Roush 670 HP Mustang since new and never a problem and no engine tick. I change the oil every 3K.
I got Motorcraft full synthetic 5w20 on my 06 F150.I how it compares to the other brands like Valvoline or Amsoil. I've seen some guys trying to compare the Motorcraft synthetic blend vs full synthetic Valvoline but that wasn't a fair test.Would like to see an even comparison.
when in doubt, read the manual. my Tucson takes full synthetic to run about 7,500 miles. if i use a synthetic blend. I need to treat it under the ‘severe maintenance’ oil change which is 5,000 between oil changes. dealership told me that the synthetic blend is good until 8k, I called him out on that one .
They may have jugs of it cuz that’s usually the manufacturer recommendation. I’ve never used full synthetic but it just may be a personal preference or an individuals problem with their vehicles. Just a thought
Dealerships are stealerships.Just use what the owners manual says it's just that simple and if you're gonna do it yourself just keep all of your receipts in case you might need them in the future.
The reason a engine has sludge is because the oil hasn't been changed on a regular basis. As long u keep the oil changes regular you have have sludge Send Conventional or synthetic.
I asked my mechanic what he thinks about full synthetic oil! ua-cam.com/video/jXllNdLBjt4/v-deo.html
Also check this out! ua-cam.com/video/a9DWGtXpYUc/v-deo.html
Yea you still have to change your oil with not too many miles synthetic sludges smooth regular oil sludges lumpy. When I would tear down engines would find that out . I'm not paying the difference have had no engine issues. Done
Bullshit use full synthetic and change every 3k miles. It has a Turbo it gets hot. I also recoment Mobl 1 with a Ford filter.
@@madmechanic7976 thanks!
Dude after 3-4 awesome EcoBoost motor equipped vehicles ...I ONLY use full synthetic oil & motorcraft filter. Ur golden . Millions of Ford truck lovers will agree. THEY ARE WRONG.
Haha. "You're engine is not proven yet". I'd love to hear the salesman say that while you were buying it.
Truck is free until 30k miles then haha.
Guess that saleman didnt see the torture test vid with live engine break down to see what if anything happened to it..That vid was out yrs ago..They took a f150 eb off the assembly line and ran the guts outta it ..Race track,hauled logs outta the woods and a bunch more stuff that i now forget but they hammered it...Final results was typical engine wear nothin wild or extreme in any way..
It's proven to be a pile of junk.
@Issa Vibez watching him you'll never want to buy any Ford.
@@duckwacker8720 says the chevy guy 🤣
Sounds like they got some blend stock they are trying to get rid of😂
That's what I was saying!
Yeps, Fake
I would call Ford and tell them what happened. And I would never go back to that dealership😳
Thats because they want the engine to wear out so you will buy another truck. BINGO.......
@@zell863 Then you are clueless.
Or at least another engine. You do have a catch can on this engine, with the problems these engines have on the pcv system?
Your only mistake is taking it to the dealer to have an oil change done.
Yeah they are probably putting conventional oil in them.
Quik Lane at ford dealers is pretty cheap on oil changes
Your other mistake was buying a Ford.
cwbristow ford TRUCKS can be very good vehicles. in this generation they leaped ahead in interior quality.
If it's under warranty it's better to actually. that way they cant talk shit if something happens
This is exactly why I do my own oil changes.
took my car to walmart and brought them my own oil. They put in their crap in and kept my bottle unopened up on the counter. Said to me that they used my oil. That was the last time I hired someone to work on my car.
I ran full synthetic the entire time I had my EcoBoost. Not a single issue. Penzoil ultra platinum and usually a wix or mobil 1 filter. $50~ and changed it myself. Easy 30 min job.
Great oil.
Mine too, never any problems 2011
I used to be a lube tech for years the a mechanic. Pennzoil ultra platinum is the best it's made with natural gas. It is the best oil out thefe
Do you have an update 4 years later on your eco? How many miles
@gregatron4528 I sold the truck in 2019 @ 77k miles. Everything pretty much ran great for the time I had the truck. I had a misfire once and CEL once, but that was more related to the intercooler.
I run full synthetic oil in everything I own, have for a lot of years. I’ve had the dealership change it, as well as done it myself. I have never had my dealership tell me not to use the full synthetic.
I have a 3.5 twin turbo and use Amzoil .No problems.Do it myself
Amsoil is the best. Only oil that is 100% synthetic oil
I have a 1999 Jeep Cherokee xj with almost 400,000 miles and It's just like new and it has regular cheap oil...4.0 AW4 LAST FOREVER!!!!
hope u didnt use that junk when your engine was in the break in period should of used what the owners manual called for otherwise shit didnt seat right
I'm an Amsoil man too. My Suzuki quad runner at has over 15,000 miles. Go 100% synthetic or you won't get home.
Amsoil Signature Series is a true group 4 synthetic oil.
There are mechanics who claim to have observed negative effects of extended oil change intervals claimed by synthetic oil advocates. Also synthetic oil sometimes stops the breaking in of the rings. Synthetic oil is more stable at higher temperatures than conventional oil. Personally, I use synthetic in my cars, and when I see color in the oil on the dipstick, I change it. I did run a 1994 Accord from new with conventional oil and synthetic blend oil for years, and it finally gave up the ghost at 550,000 miles.
You are correct there talking Total bull I have a 2006 F-150 I used full synthetic oil and it has over 200000 on it no major engine repair.
Your truck does not have an EcoBoost so it does not apply. This is only for the latest ecoboost's.
@@youandiryan He did not state in his video that it was an Ecoboost and still it oil people.
@@tybalee he stated in the beginning of the video he has a 3.5 EcoBoost. Lol. I looked up the reasons why you shouldn't use synthetic. It doesn't happen in everyone's trucks. But there were reports that synthetic was making the valves chatter after some time. Which can obviously cause damage.
@@youandiryanactually the Ecoboosts need synthetic because of the turbos. SP API spec.
@@vayabroder729 Yes I'm realizing that. Usually a lot of the newer turbo vehicles require synthetic. And at the time I wasn't really aware
The most important thing you can do, no matter what oil you use is to do the first interval oil change on or before the recommended change interval since that will contain the microscopic metal particles from the initial break- in. Crude base oils deteriorate faster than synthetics whether full or a blend. There was an in depth article written by an independent master H.D. mechanic, for American Iron motorcycle magazine. I refer to the article because oil maintenance in air cooled Harley engines is more critical due to the wide fluctuations of temperatures that water-cooled engines normally do not experience. One of the stated facts was that crude oils begi breaking down their protective additives around 240 degrees and synthetics don't do that until about 270 degrees. Making the arguement that synthetics are better than crude oils. Most water-cooled vehicles today generally run around 200 to 220 degrees which aids in more efficient fuel burning and less emissions. But the extended change intervals of synthetics are partly due to the higher temperature protection of the additives.
I believe that after the break-in that synthetics are superior protection, they are slippier and reduce friction, which equals reduced heat. The only time I would hesitate using synthetic is if a high mileage engine has always run crude base oil and then you swapped to synthetic you will possibly experience an increase in the synthetic dissipating because there is a higher wear factor in the lubricated parts from the long term use of crudes.
The dealer didn't tell me to not use synthetic oil , but the owners manual that came with my truck says to use synthetic blend. I use synthetic blend from Motorcraft.
Exactly. Use what the engineers of the engine say..
5 gallon bucket is $70 shipped if you buy off brand.
I believe these cars can use either synthetic blend or full synthetic. They mention both Motorcraft formulas with the same Ford Spec number. My recollection is that my dealer offers the choice of either one; the full synthetic is more expensive.
Mine says the same but the next page says Full Synth is optional so go with whichever you'll be fine.
They make money from motocraft oil. No other reason to use it.
I'm 65 and have had many vehicles, the worst service and the most BS has always occurred at the dealerships. I've used synthetic oils for 25 yrs without problems.
Ive had the opposite experience. No matter where i go, independent shops have been mostly scam artists. The worst was a transmission failure in my outback after a cv axle change. Was impossible to prove but it was pretty telling when the dealership quoted me 700 dollars cheaper to replace the tranny than the shop that im 99% sure fucked up my car on the post-cv install test drive. Not to mention when dealerships give u a loaner car it actually works. Got stranded by the loaner car from the independent shop due to the engine overheating from 5 under the speedlimit normal driving.
Wow, I never heard a dealership say that. But after break-in miles. Full synthetic is best. Especially a turbo engine. I had a 89 F150 with 5.0. I change the oil with regular oil 2000-2500 mile. Full synthetic oil about 5000 miles. I had 289k miles sold it. Motor was still clean, no keaks. Sitting outside I just waxed it 4x per year no rust.
Ok I bought a 350 Chevy crate motor for my pickup..I ran regular Valvoline for the first 2 oil changes..after that I ran Valvoline and mixed in 2 quarts of full synthetic..I mudded that truck hard for the next 2 years then sold it to my brother in law..He mudded it and drove it to work daily..20 miles one way for close to 5 years..blew a head gasket.tore it down and called to come look at it.You could still see the marks in the cylinders from the factory with no ridge on top..Bearings and crank looked new..My 4runner I run Mobil 1..put new filter add one quart at 5,000 miles..change it out at 10,000 miles..350,000 plus on a 04 4.0 V6..
My two cents worth, I have a 2015 Chevy Silverado crew cab with the 5.3 V8 AFM engine, that I purchased used with 20k miles on her, I took my truck to the dealer to have my routine service maintenance performed and I always requested full synthetic oil placed into the engine, and each time I ask, the dealer serviceman, what did they put in her, they told me, they placed synthetic oil in the engine. Long story short, after the last oil change, my truck started running sluggish, and I started hear more engine noise than usual, a lot of ticking, or piston slapping, and the oil indicator said the oil has 60% of life left and at the same time my MPG was dropping like crazy. After researching what could be the problem, I discovered the majority of drivers used Full Synthetic oil without issue, so I decided to not go back to the dealer for oil changes, I'll do it myself, and WOW what a difference. I used Pennzoil Platinum Full Synthetic, and a Purolator Boss oil filter, and now my MPG's is steadily climbing, it went from (9.3 -to 12.6) mpg, and this is just city driving. I believe you can't go wrong using Full Synthetic oil, it has way better properties than conventional or synthetic blend oils, and you get way longer service intervals with full Synthetic. My opinion, don't trust the dealer service like I did, go with what you know is Right.. Full Synthetic oil all the way, your engine will thank you for it!!!!!!!!!
288k on my 2010 focus I bought new. Never used anything but Motorcraft SB oil.
I have a 2012 Focus with 300,000 + been using Mobil 1 since it was new, its drives like new.
Ginger Elvira post a video of it
@@gingerelvira6587 it might run really fine, but like NEW ??😂
@@gingerelvira6587 Ok and I thought I had a driving problem, you just blew me out of the water, btw is your a manual transmission??
@Fred Murphy I guess those Focus cars are just like Hondas in that they run for ever.
Hey I have used synthetic oil in one of my work trucks after a break in period with regular oil specified by manufacturer. The trucks are on a regular maintenance program with our shop. I really didn’t see any outstanding benefits of using full synthetic oils over conventional ones. Proper maintenance is the key.
Well spoken sir I only use conventional oil ..... I don't get sold on all that marketing bull crap
Anything you can do to help that timing chain last as long as you can. Go synthetic.
I've used full synethic all along. Made it to 73,000, no more :). DAMM
Synthetic Blend should cost a little less. I use Motocraft synthetic blend and have had no problems at all. Use what your owners manual recommends.
Im not fond with a blend...To me its like changeing 4 new spark( in an 8 cyl) plugs and just leaveing originals in no matter how good or bad they are..
No car or truck manufacturers use break-in oil. That happened back in the 50's when engines were a lot different. I would make your first oil change sooner than your normal change interview, however. I would change it in about 2000-5000 miles to remove any metal particles or chips that might have occurred during the beginning of engine operation. Also, it is important to vary engine speed frequently during the first 500 miles to help seat piston rings and other parts. Also, it is important to be easy on the brakes to break them in right and to prevent excessive rotor and pad wear in the future.
I know race engines builders and they use break in oil initially.
As far as break-in, the factory fill is supposed to protect against excessive heat and "glazing" of the cylinder walls unlike regular non break-in oil. But once the rings have broken in nicely, the oil should be there with sufficient film strength for eliminating friction metal-to-metal and proper cooling. Ford seem to be the masters of designed obsolescence and therefore I would suspect anything they told me. Friction is not good. But I have heard of two problems from some synthetic oils for certain cars: Gasket weep and lack of carbon which for some rings is apparently beneficial to combustion chamber sealing. In conclusion, if a clean, strong oil did not work well in a new engine then I would say there is something wrong with that engine.
Hey here’s a thought don’t go back to that dealer. problem solved.
🇺🇸😎I never took my 1940 Ford to the Dealer. Never.
Just saw this. Full synthetic for all three of my fords. I have a 2019 f150 5.0 and immediately changed to full synthetic. Never had an issue with any of my vehicles engine wise. Like others have said the dealer shop is full of da’s and ignorant. You did the right thing.
But it's still very controversial! A lot of people say conventional oil is better 🤔
Maybe but synthetic is the best. Thanks for likin my response.
@@bpresgrove synthetic is definitely better.
@@DS-TRUCKS who, what people??
@@lemham4565 people in the comments
I own several vehicles. One of my back up vehicles is a 2003 Ford Explorer that I bought new. I changed to Mobil 1 at 700 miles. It now has 227k miles. Runs quiet and smooth. Has plenty of power.
Does Ford know they have a crazy lying dealer?????
My current primary vehicle is a 2016 diesel that REQUIRES Full Synthetic.
I totally agree with op! Had certain dealerships tell me that the rings didn’t wear in properly with synthetic oil. I call bs! Never had a problem using synthetic.
I would go with what the owner's manual says and base your change intervals on "severe use". The dealer's argument is BS though LOL.
I've used Amsoil (full synthetic) in two ecoboost engines and now my coyote engine, allF150s, from 500 miles on. Zero issues at all. First was a lease, 40,000 miles, second was a buy, 33,000 miles, new one is a buy, 13.700 so far. Not sure who you talked to at this dealer but I was a master Ford tech for 15+ years and I would NEVER tell any customer that kind of nonsense! I've run full synthetic oils in so many vehicles, high mileage or brand new, didn't matter. No issues ever. Don't listen to a service adviser. There's a reason that they're not wrenching. They know nothing when it comes to automotive.
Thank you! ,🙌
Amsoil doesn't make full synthetic oil they make 100% synthetic oil
@@clb_52 Good point. Very true!
@@clb_52 big hype trane about oil Amsoil isnt anybetter than Mobil 1 prove it ?
@Fred Wills Agreed. The coyote now has 45,500 on it now. Still a baby though. Zero issues, runs like the day I bought it.
I've been using synthetic oil for years I never had a issue
I’ve never heard the term “engine isn’t proven”. They used to say until the rings have seated but that should happen by a few thousand miles. It seems to me they are just trying to find an excuse to blame the owner. If a good synthetic oil is a problem the problem isn’t the oil!
I would say the first 500 miles for break in, no full throttle and not over 65mph. Then use synthetic and forget it until your oil change light comes on, on occasion check the oil level and color to be sure it's not prematurely getting diluted from running to rich which happened on our Kia, we could never use annual oil because it had to be changed by about 7k no matter what synthetic we used.
I wondered the same thing too. Maybe he misunderstood and they said 'broken in.'
Conventional vs Synthetic Oil
Should you use synthetic oil in your engine?
Simply put, it is a superior product. The only detractor is price, but that can be mitigated by the extended service intervals. Many vehicles don’t need an oil change for 10,000 or 15,000 miles. This is from Blue Springs Ford website!
10k oil changes are absurd. 5k maximum as most people are actually running their vehicle hard. Stop and go city driving IS running a vehicle hard and that is 80% of what people do with their vehicle. Long term ownership will become a massive headache if you change every 10k miles. Prolly can get away with it until about 100k but after that the internal wear will start to show its face and its prolly the reason most people have so many problems with new vehicles.
3k miles. Period.
@@roscoeelcocko1863 that would be ideal but with synthetic oil, unless ur pushing it extremely hard, it wont need it that soon.
@@dr._breens_beard meh
Roscoe ElCocko This is the 21st Century Rosco. 5000 is the new 3000 for modern cars.
Back in the early 2000s when Volkswagen’s 1.8T engines were new, American dealers used conventional oil with longer synthetic intervals. Didn’t take long for these engines to develop sludge. After three or so years, they realized they screwed up and switched to synthetic (which stopped the sludge issue).
Turbochargers get hot and break oil down quicker. The benefit of synthetic is that it doesn’t break down as easily with heat.
I use full synthetic all time in everything
Same here.
Ditto... And will continue to do so.
That’s why they are called stealerships. The service advisor needs a smack upside the head.
Full Synthetic ONLY
Synthetic blend could have one drop of synthetic
That's true! I think there's synthetic blend is decent though...
Just another example of a dealership service department that doesn't know anything about the product they service. 🤢🤢😡😠😡
I would presume that this service department is run by Millennials....
I agree. They are miserable mechanics in dealerships and I don't know why. They work 9-5 no weekends. What miserable life. Losers.
Glad I'm an automotive technician
But with all the warranty and etc I still don't use them for my oil change.
I always follow what my computer says. When it says change oil soon i change the oil period ! My engines have lasted 250K plus miles on all my ford trucks and have never had any engine problems. I always use Full synthetic oil but that's just me.
I've always used Mobil 1 in all of my cars. '99 Cobra, '03 Cobra, '12 Mustang and my '02 Exploder. They all run like a top. No problems ever. Synthetic is the way to go.
Some manufacturers actually do recommend a blended oil during the engine break-in period. However that’s usually only until the first oil change and something I haven’t seen in recent years.
I always run full synthetic mobile 1 in all my trucks. One 2003 f250 v10 with 277,000 miles. 2008 f250 v10 with 180,000. And a 2011 eco boost with only 33,000 miles. Never gave us one issue. I have also seen high mileage ecoboost from 2011 that have 200,000 miles or more and use full synthetic. That dealership is bs.
My lawn mowers run mobile one and they have thousands of hours on them and not a issue... They are air cooled .
Would you considered high milage full synthetic oil? Or just full synthetic oil? For a over 200k mile 2004 f150?
@@hydrobuu I would, I wouldn't go thin...
I use high mileage in our 2003 and 2008
Just bought a used 2019 F150…dealership full synthetic cost: $105. Just came back from auto store…$36 for Mobile 1 full synthetic & filter (they were running a special)…so yeah…I’ll be changing my own oil moving forward. Good video! 👍🏻👍🏻
I always used full synthetic on all my vehicles new or used but if I owned an ecoboost engine I definitely recommend using full synthetic cuz turbo engines run hotter than NA gas engines so you’re gonna want to use full synthetic oil it’s gonna have more additives for the excess heat especially for the turbos themselves
Why would one use anything else than fully synth nowadays?
Been running T6 in mine and going to switch at next oil change I am going with the new Rotella gas truck.
I run Mobil 1,I run it in all my vehicles.. I have an edge with a 3.5 (No turbo) with just over 200,000 miles and not even a leak on my garage floor.. I run in my '17 3.5 F150 ecoboost with no problems to date.
Me too
Stay with motorcraff synthetic blend .my 1998 mustang gt run it whole life now 260000miles .I switch one to full synthetic mobile 1 ...the same viscosity 5w30 it leaks crazy ..switch back to synthetic blend 1 week after.
Use only motorcraff synthetic blend if you own Ford.if you love your engine(I know you're) change your oil 1000 mile sooner than recommended and enjoy😁
I would think the motor craft full synthetic is better right? It's their oil...
@@DS-TRUCKS just leave that to the FORD GT .basically full synthetic design for high performance vehicle. Just like Gatorade and water..not a sport guy? Stick with water.
And we're supposed to take advice from an 8 year old?? (just razzin ya...all in good fun!)
2011 f150 eco boost 77000 miles on engine towed trailer use only full synthetic never had any problem now the transmission that's a different story,
Modern engines run hotter with variable valve timing , and turbo chargers . TDI, and GDI engines , I know newer cars require full synthetic . Maybe on a newer truck there is a break in period but best thing to do is look at your owners manual. Put it what the manual says it even has the intervals when it should be changed .
Full synthetic is a misconception. True synthetic oil has no crude in it it’s a PAO. The only full PAO base synthetic oil is amsoil. With the exception of pennzoil with is made from natural gas. PAO oils are pure and molecule chains are the exact same size and shape so in theory there is a perfect layer of lubrication with no dry spots. Other synthetic oils are made from hydrocracked crude. The crude is ultra refined giving it better properties. The FTC said because hydrocracking crude gives it properties of synthetic it can be marketed as such. As far as synthetic blends I’m not sure what fords standards are but GM dexos1 standard requires oil to be 50% synthetic. I think when Valvoline durablend came out it was a 25% synthetic blend.
Amsoil signature synthetic
Talk to corporate.
I have used it since 1979 and have never had to rebuild a motor .
I had a 1977 ford Granada with a straight 6 cylinder engine with 300,000 miles on it I only had to rebuild the top end of the motor but I always end up selling the cars but they were always far from being worn out
I had a 1988 ford mustang gt. With the Amsoil bypass filter on it every thing was converted over to Amsoil, engine, transmission, rear end and Amsoil air filter
Sold it with 160,000 miles on it the car had nothing wrong with it far from being worn out.
Ed green wood got me involved in Amsoil at the Oregon state fair he polluted the oil with graphite tried to filter it out with the top selling oil filter and it didn't work then he filters it through a Amsoil filters with a bypass filter and the oil cleaned it up like it was freshly poured from the
bottle the filters first sold me and started using Amsoil since the late 1970s early 1980s and since Amsoil signature synthetic oil is the best oil on the market. I have run turbo cars and trucks and semi trucks and 2 years on an SCCA race team also I have worked 3 years for mountain oil company blending custom lubricants and have been exposed to oil and synthetics that the best has to offer Dyson Oil company out of Oklahoma makes a good product also.
How many miles?
Owners manual on a new motorcycle I purchased said do not use synthetic for at least 3000 miles? The reason was that the engine would not break in properly?
Interesting, definitely follow the owner's manual.
I bought a tractor with a Kohler engine, they said to run conventional oil for the first 50 hours before changing over to synthetic. I believe their reasoning is that the rings and other various parts need to break in with conventional because it is not as slick as synthetic and you get a proper wear pattern. But I like you I break my engine in with factory oil and at 1st oil change go full synthetic. I run synthetic in my lawn mower, weedeater which is 4 cycle and in my Toyota tacoma 4.0. And transmissions are sealed now. Go synthetic and forget it.
I think they might recommend that because the first oil change is very short and wasting full synth for that short time might be a waste. Who knows?
As a retired mechanic I will give my opinion, they want the engine to seat in before owners use synthetic, but I feel 50 hrs is excessive. I believe you would want to use synthetic before you get a wear of 50 hrs.. 5 hr with standard oil and at least 5 cycles of bringing to engine up to normal operating temperature and complete cool is sufficient for break in. I personally changed mine to synthetic at 3hrs.. I run synthetic in everything I own with excellent results. I have used synthetic in a Harley engine which runs just as hot or hotter than the kohler with zero problems or LEAKS. But definitely do what your comfortable with.
Synthetic Oil Is NOT Slicker Than Conventional Oil ... Synthetic Maintains Viscosity And Film Strength Between Moving Metal Parts At Higher Than Normal Temperatures VS. Conventional Dino. Juice .... Any Oil WILL Break Down Under Extreme Heat Or Shear Pressure .... Synthetic Just Allows You To Really Push The Envelope Harder Before Metal On Metal Destructive Wear Occurs !! -Thanks 😎
@@waylonmccrae3546Yourr opinion is noted now fact check it !
Spot on my friend!! Mobile 1 in ALL of my vehicles starting from the first oil change. Never had any issues EVER!!! My daughter is still driving our Toyota Yaris with more than 230,000 miles and it doesn't burn a drop of oil. Why? because I always put Mobile 1 in it. That car is going to make it to 300,000 easily. Completely agree with your thoughts. Full synthetic oil does not break down and THAT ensures your parts have less wear and last way longer!!!
I use M1 full synthetic in all my vehicles, outboards, tractors, and even my coffee.
Now, there are situations when full is not good. Most important is to change ahead of it breaking down and not relying on the BS 10k and 20k intervals they push.
What outboard do you run? I was thinking about using M1 in my Mercury 4 stroke
@@christopherwilliams4647 Yamaha
I just got my 1st service on my new 2019 2.7 f150, took it to dealer where I bought it and they said the same thing and I went with the blend because of what they said, now doing research about synthetic. Thats what led me to your you tube video.
In my opinion there's nothing wrong with running synthetic! Particularly on a turbocharged engine.
I would call another ford service center and compare the two dealerships opinions
Great video I own since new a 2002 F150 XLT Super Cab 5.4 Triton 2 valve 4x4 with 4 speed auto 138,000 miles with 3.55 tow package and been using synthetic blend oil and happy that I get 16 mpg. BTW never trust a computer to tell you when to change your oil. Pull the dipstick and wipe with a white napkin and use your eyes to determine dirty oil.
🤔 I'm thinking about getting a 5.4...
Just make sure you buy a 2 valve 5.4 and not the 3 valve version that came out later
Weird encounter dude, everyone knows full synthetic is better, that’s why you change it less and it lasts longer, that dealer sounds shady.
Proven>?? Do they mean that the engine is not "broken in" yet? That would make more sense...
Said it's not proven till it has 30,000 miles on it...
Dah faq!? I've had the dealership do a full synthetic change, they didn't say anything.
Also, i called three different dealerships (two metro Detroit and one out of town) to find out what transfer case fluid to use...three different answers. Eventually, I tracked down the current fluid via forums and old mercon#...TL;DR.... dealerships are weird.
What fluid did you go with
I run Pennzoil platinum on all my vehicles, including my Ford Expedition. I get genuine Motor Craft parts except for the air/oil filters and the engine oil.
As a Ford tech , that is BS . I had a service manager that was a pencil pusher and did not know anything about an engine. If you think that the oil application is what is on the oil cap you are wrong. It was put there for the all around preferred for the whole US . Read your owners manual and it tells you what you should use for your climate. He argued with me so I knew the tech line number to Ford and made him look like a ignorant little boy. Synthetic oil only way to go.
Thanks for your input!
I have an oil change business and you are absolutely right
I’d said have a nice day, I will take my business elsewhere.
You are correct sir . Ford just hasn't figured out how to use synthetic oil and keep the engine desighn fuel efficient at the same time. There new ring paks and piston desighn are known to use oil .
Kris Hall I agree.
I’m the old days, early 1980’s they told u to use Conventional oil until engine was fully broken in. Usually somewhere around 12,000 miles only because it would never break in correctly with full synthetic. Again just a myth
Especially with a turbo, you should always use full synthetic. With all my new vehicles, I do the first oil change at 1k with full synthetic. One of my Cadillac vehicles came with free oil changes for 4 years. When I took it for the first oil change, I told the service advisor that if full synthetic was not included I pay the difference. He told me not to worry because they only carry full synthetic. I don't know why Ford still uses blends.
Since when did dealership know anything about anything..they are there to sell cars and trucks..use your favorite synthetic oil tell them to FO...
Some vehicles come with full synthetic oil already supplied in the engine. I usually change to synthetic at less than 1k and haven't had any problems.
All Toyota's come with full synthetic oil from the factory. So do many other major brands.
Jarrod exactly that truck likely came with full synthetic from the factory.
I have used Supertek full synthetic for years and I have never had an issue with any of my vehicles running that oil from Walmart!!!
Testing has shown that is a good oil...
Who cares what a dealer says about oil? They are just trying to steer you into what they use.
I’m a mechanic it took me a minute to see what it’s all about but I can definitely tell you it’s awesome stuff for protection it gives you’re motor👍😎
Thanks!
You’re welcome
That dealer doesn't have any credibility in my book.
I take my own Mobile 1 full synthetic oil to my dealer, and get charged $25 bucks.
I was surprised to find out that the dealership is not the authority on their product. Sad. You did your research and your logic makes sense.
What does your Owner's Manual say....(I.E) Manufacturer's Recommendations.
My 2013 Escape EcoBoost Manufacturer's recommends Synthetic Blend
Yes that's the basic minimum requirement sir. U will be well served by a full synthetic trust that. Or try.
@@Davido50 if they change their oil with synthetic blend every 5k or so anyways they would never get the full benefits of wasted money on a full synthetic which only real gain is its guna last more miles
@@lolz616 shut up your dumb. reason why they have synthetic thats been around for years
beau smith I know more about engines than you probably ever will. Ford calls for a synthetic blend in their most sensitive 2.7 ecoboost motor for example I change it every 5k miles if my neighbor had the same car and used a full synthetic and changed it every 10k miles as most full synthetics call for these days I’m confident my motor would have less wear if I tore them apart and examined each the main benefit of a full synthetic is the oil lasts more miles before breaking down study oil harder pal
@@lolz616 ok keyboard mechanic use your shitty semi . im sure your a great forum mechanic. your probably the guy that uses bama tunes and think a cold air intake increases horsepower lmao
Cam phasers fail from not keeping the oil changed.
And go by the recommended service intervals for "heavy or rough use" no matter how it's used.
Unless you like replacing them, change your oil no later than 5k miles
Wow that’s crazy, I’m pretty sure that all these new engines that are forced induction and direct injection requires synthetic oil!! And I use synthetic in my Sierra and Subaru. Sounds like the dealer is trying to make you have issues with your engine so you gotta bring it in, and they should not be asking how you financed the vehicle!!
I agree. No full "synthetic " until engine is well broken in. "Synthetic " is a marketing term, not a technical one.
Good point
Always go by the manufacturer specifications. Engineers and chemist spent a lot of time doing this and know what’s best
I have always been told never use full synthetic oil during the break period not sure if there’s anything to it? But you can’t go wrong with the blended oils either just change your oil and filter every 5k to 7k you will be fine.
Sounds like some bs. They're just trying to push that synthetic blend crap off the shelves or from stock.
Every ford dealership will tell you to put a blend in the 2018 F 150. I’m at 47 thousand and have put a blend in my vehicle every time. My car has been absolutely perfect the mechanics definitely know there stuff. Not saying there is anything wrong with synthetic. Thanks Great Video
Report the dealership to Ford. They are jerks. $100 for full synthetic oil? Now that is a rip-off.
You think so? It cost almost that much to diy.
DonnaSean Not if you buy the bug jugs of domestic synthetic when on sale....some auto parts stores even sell Motorcraft products but seriously research who makes Motorcraft. There is nothing magical about it. Its an oil. Mimic its tech standards for viscocity with a cheaper and better product.
What I understand: conventional oil has larger molecules. Synthetic has small molecules & has better cleaning. Always change fluids sooner than recommended if you want your truck to last. You take care of your Ford it will take care of you and your family.....
Motorcraft doesnt make a full synthetic oil.. they want you to use their blended oil...
Actually I took my F150 to the dealer and they gave me the option between full or blended synthetic Motorcraft oil.I chose the Full synthetic Motorcraft.
《My opinion》 5w-Anything these days is synthetic blend because it's cheaper to blend than to refine to the thin side.
2) one could make a case that synthetic is too slick for proper break in. I'm more inclined to favoring its high temperature strength in a turbocharged vehicle.
Very true
Full synthetic is the best by far. I like to use it simply because it last longer. It’s worth the extra cost. The most important guideline is to follow your owners manual for correct oil type, viscosity, and change interval.
Good oil in a bad engine is still better than bad oil in a bad engine. I've seen "bad" engines come back to run better after being serviced with better fluids done more frequently.
The moment they asked if the vehicle was bought or leased you should assume their intentions were not honorable .
That's what I was thinking...
They asked because if it is leased the dealership is responsible for the overall maintenance done to the truck. If it’s leased and you’re putting the wrong kind of oil in it, it’s technically breaking terms of the lease.
@@Apothas541 you are 100% worng... If the dealer is responsible for the maintenance then they wouldn't even have to ask if the vehicle was leased... Why even ask... The maintenance of a leased vihicle is the responsibility of the individual who leased the vehicle.
DonnaSean oh, so if the motor blows up on a leased vehicle, the person leasing it is responsible and not the manufacturer warranty? Got it.
@@Apothas541 Depends on who caused it..... if the leaser caused it by fault or if it was just a lemon engine.... if they mistreated the car or engine maintenance rules and put something stupid into the engine and caused it to go out its their fault obviously as the leases at least every one ive ever heard of say any damage cause by leaser they are responsible for.. if they didnt put anything into the tank or engine they werent suppose to and did their maintenance and its just a bad engine im sure dealer could warranty fix
I have used Motorcraft synthetic blend 5w30 on My2012 Lincoln MKS Ecoboost tuned 450 Hp. and my 2015 Roush 670 HP Mustang since new and never a problem and no engine tick. I change the oil every 3K.
Motorcraft oil is synthetic blend, they are trying to sell you that bc they get it cheap
Motorcraft has full synthetic
I know they do but it isnt pushed the same way they push the synthetic blend
I got Motorcraft full synthetic 5w20 on my 06 F150.I how it compares to the other brands like Valvoline or Amsoil. I've seen some guys trying to compare the Motorcraft synthetic blend vs full synthetic Valvoline but that wasn't a fair test.Would like to see an even comparison.
when in doubt, read the manual. my Tucson takes full synthetic to run about 7,500 miles. if i use a synthetic blend. I need to treat it under the ‘severe maintenance’ oil change which is 5,000 between oil changes. dealership told me that the synthetic blend is good until 8k, I called him out on that one .
Break in period of any ford engine is 5k miles per your owners owner's manual.
Really?
They may have jugs of it cuz that’s usually the manufacturer recommendation. I’ve never used full synthetic but it just may be a personal preference or an individuals problem with their vehicles. Just a thought
Dealerships are stealerships.Just use what the owners manual says it's just that simple and if you're gonna do it yourself just keep all of your receipts in case you might need them in the future.
? I would have asked-- will it void my warranty!!!!!! No then do as I ask!!!!!!!!!
The reason a engine has sludge is because the oil hasn't been changed on a regular basis. As long u keep the oil changes regular you have have sludge Send Conventional or synthetic.