Ah fighting her while she was angry would have been much satisfying then killing her while she pleaded not to. I'll have to do this next time. Because I killed her before slaughtering everyone in the grove.
I started this game with a half-assed blind run... my intention was to be the type that doesnt give a shit, kinda evil... and the longer Karlach was on my team, the more i couldnt help but do good things
At 1st I was watching some Dark Urge videos and,noticing Karlach wasn't in the team,I was disappointed. I was like:"I *WANT* Karlach in my team!!😫❤"then I reflected on it and I realized:"She's probably too Good...she must have left the Party at 1 point.😢💔"then I saw that there is an option to cut her head and I thought:"Oh,well...if you *_must_* go all Evil,it's probably better to do _this_ and getting a cool,disturbing cutscene than just having to confront her in a fight or just having her leaving on her own.🤷♂👿"But,TBH...I would prefer that she had the possibility of *beating me* and giving me a lesson!🤕Not saying that she necessarely has to _kill me_ but beating me in a non-lethal way and then telling me:"I hope you've learned the lesson,you scumbag!🤬💢If I'll ever meet you again...I *WILL* kill you!🔥"I would deserve it!
@@EverythingKeem i found the grove area first and i had no idea and when i was in the thing talking to kagha she just seemed like a villain i couldnt have known
I mean it doesn’t really have that much of an impact, karlach ( compared to the rest of the party ) is a saint and pretty moral, now if an actual demon is in your party and you did something that warranted them to call you a monster, that would have more impact imo
More proof that Karlach is the goodest of all characters. I'd pat her hair if she wasn't burning, wasn't even taller than me and if she wouldn't crush my spine with a hug.
Sher's definitely the most tunnel visioned. I had my reasons for taking down the grove, and none of them had anything to do with feeling strong or whatever.
@@Adanu191 True, but there is no way of justifying it as anything other than an evil act. A mercilessly evil one. So Karlach is understandable in her hatred of you. Tunnel vision perhaps, but she's right.
@@ArmchairRizzard I destroyed the grove to gain a cover with the cult and to spy on them, if I could have spared anyone or managed to get them to get away somehow, I would have. I would consider the way I destroy it a neutral act in intent. I went so far as to ignore Halsin in his cage so he wouldn't be caught up in the massacre, even. Better to have some rocks thrown at him than be caught up in the killing.
@@ArmchairRizzard BS. Kagha was an evil psychopath working with dark druids. Also it was the druids that slaughtered the camp, not the player. And there is no way she should even know about the grove when she was here fighting the paladins. This entire scene is badly written and makes no sense. She's not right. About anything.
My first playthrough, I went in without getting to Karlach and accidentally started a race war between the Druids and the Tieflings. It was only after did I find Karlach and she said I was responsible. Huh? I killed the Druids with the Tieflings, and as my character is a Tiefling, I felt like it was only right to do so. Halsin was freed, he held no resentment towards me, so he was my companion. Wyll died during the very first goblin fight, so I couldn't recruit him, and I stabbed Minthara in the back since I was going to kill her anyway. Wasn't a Durge run, I'm just very... chaos prone.
Yeah, I had a run where the druids attacked me without warning, then attacked the tieflings. After the druids were defeated, Karlach said I was responsible.
Ah, that's who left our party I guess after we killed the grove. My friend and I are playing through an evil campaign and kept failing to recruit MInthara still. Finally we got her and then the first night after the destruction of the grove she ended up dead because of a bug. Couldn't even find her corpse to get her outfit lol
It would have been nice to have another legacy character that was okay with evil runs. I like the idea of some characters being barred if you turn evil, but it gets boring when you dont get to change your party for half the entire game. Theres no shortage of evil people in the game, but for whatever reason, they're not recruitable
I mean Astarion and Laezel are evil. It's just not a symmetrical dynamic because they don't leave if you do good things, and the player doesn't choose to kill them most of the time even if a good character logically would.
@@evangelosvasiliades1204 laezel inst so much evil as brutal. he approves when i do good things and when i do pretty brutal things. she just has no compassion or empathy, but can be coaxed into being good sometimes. she will cut her cousins throat on command, but isnt ok with you stealing one of her people's eggs to sell it, she's nothing if not hypocritical and conflicted.
@@ElectricalExistence I think there is a very interesting conversation to be had on the topic of what exactly evil is and where the 'being a product of one's culture' lies in that space. I personally am inclined to agree with you because I think evil is linked to selfishness and Laezel is infact extremely selfless. That said, those 'brutal' actions are ones most people would consider at minimum unacceptable and very well despicable. And I think most would agree that heinous actions don't become acceptable because they have any sort of good motivation. And in Laezel's case she does have moments of showing a sadistic edge which makes the borderline that much messier. In the context of the game/an adventure group it would make sense to me that an evil party would be happy to have someone more than willing to do bloody work, and who in return finds herself downright turned on by a leader who weilds power and cuts down innocents. While a good party would be uncomfortable and not trust her, or be willing to overlook her being a githyanki in the first place.
@@megasauruss One does not preclude the other, rather his life experiences are why he is evil. (Although plenty go through similar experiences and do not turn out the same way, so it would be more accurate to say his reaction is equally responsible, indeed the character of Hope in the game serves as a relevant example in that regard) The way that the world has treated him, has made him a rather selfish individual, and a monster made is still a monster. If that comes across as a little strong, I would remind you that he approves of most of the actions of violence, deception, and unscrupulous ambition that you can display ingame. Indeed he is the first character to suggest taking control of the cult rather than destroying it, which is literally the evil ending of the game. Then there is the matter of his century plus reign of committing crimes for his master. Obviously there is a degree of coercion involved here, but its important to take in the subtleties of how he talks about these incidences, indeed he holds greater grievance with being made to do things for a man he dislikes than showing any sort of guilt or remorse. This is best demonstrated in his meeting with the gur tribespeople early in act 3. And at the end of the day it is a tremendous amount of wrong doing that requires him to be held to account for justice to be had. It is of course important to mention that you as the player have the ability to push him to be a better man or his worst self. He is a nuanced character, not the exaggerated evil common in fantasy. (Interestingly given how fantastical his story is on the surface) But I would absolutely argue that he is a great example of the more mundane evil that populates our world. One which is very commonly backed by past tragedy.
Supposedly you can recruit karlach before killing the druids, kill karlach in your camp, leave her dead while you kill the druids, then come back to camp and have withers resurrect her, and she won’t leave. But I haven’t tested it.
You don't have to actually destroy the entire grove for this to happen. It will happen if you side with the tieflings against the druids and then kill the druids when they try to murder all the tieflings. That's what happened in my playthrough. So you don't technically have to be doing an "evil" playthrough to get this.
I killed those druids before they ethnically clensed the tieflings and was pretty confused when karlach reacted this way. Like i felt pretty justified in my actions.
is there any way to side with the Absolute without killing tieflings in act 1? i feel bad for them, but druids are just bunch of racists and biggots that I dont mind getting rid of. massacring tieflings is the only thing i feel bad about in this quest
@@benthomason3307 And even then, Kagha was actively being manipulated by the game's villains, as you learn if you read through documents in late Act 2.
check in around the servants quarters for a special chest, it helps lead you to an alternate resolution to the kagha and ritual of thorn stuff, instead of helping them move you can let them stay
Fun fact, same happens if you kill only Zevlor. I killed him cause he asked me to kill Khaga. Then, Karlach started to saying this and I was like "wtf are you talking about" and I had to kill her.
Ohhh, this is gonna be so sad. Me and my friend are playing a full on evil playthrough with my character as Dark Urge while my friend's character's goal is to become a Mind Flayer. We just destroyed the grove and hadn't gotten to Karlach yet, but the only two companions we have alive are Astarion and Shadowheart. Wyll, Gale, and Lae'zel are all dead for, reasons-
Have you found Withers yet? He's in that old crypt near the start of the game. He can resurrect companion for a small fee, and can even change your character class too.
@@valbroderick8156 that’s the thing, we killed them before they ever joined our party. And for our evil run, we aren’t resurrecting them, even if we can
I like karlach so I was sad when I saw this dialogue in my co op playthrough since my friends decided to murder the druids because of kahga while I was looking around.
@@orestesbastosI can never keep the party together because we’re all loot goblins, everyone’s trying to beat the next person to the good loot. The party is rarely ever together
Eh, it happens, nothing wrong with dealing with the druids that wouldn't even kill their leader for trying to/actually killing a child, that level of forgiveness of evil is cowardice at best, or compliancy, neither are good.
@@AlbinoMothDragon True indeed, they cower too much to her and seem to put "the good of the grove" above helping innocents and they are supposed to be from the Emeral Enclave.
I understand having consequences... I understand having our choices matter... but... but... I want Karlach, Lae'zel, and Minthara in my party at the same time... :( Personally, I think the choice should've just been Halsin OR Minthara not Minthara OR Halsin, Karlach, Wyll, every tiefling, every druid, and even Gale if you fail the checks to keep him.
I mean. I really don't see how Karlach would possibly tolerate you slaughtering the tieflings... They made that choice for a reason. Same for wyll. And the loss isn't that big a deal if you are going evil route because they are such good people anyways. They don't fit the vibe. For fairness sake you could argue for getting more than just Minthara, but a tiny amount of people play evil paths in rpgs, and companions are a lot of work, I don't fault larian for only making the one.
@@Joshx2415If you do not proactively save the Druid's Grove and the Tieflings, Karlach refuses to join you. I tried on a file that didn't side with either, and she still hated me because the Tieflings didn't make it out.
They couldve done something like u fail a saving throw meeting minthara, she extracts info then imprisons u, by the time u get there everyones dead and karlach becomes furious. Hellbent on revenege againsg minthara
I haven't played, but based on what I've seen: I wouldn't be able to handle an evil playthrough. I don't want any of the companions mad at me permanently The guilt is too strong
In the druid grove, when you're told to "go no further," if you decide to go past anyways, the shadow druids will start a fight and everybody will die. Karlach will be under an odd impression the whole thing is your fault. I can understand why they'd do that. Dammon can't fix her engine when he's dead, but if you legitimately had nothing to do with it, there really should be some reaction between "you are a mass-murderer" and "please help me kill some bad guys and I will love you forever."
I had the same problem!! We ended up fighting the druids, and by the time the smoke and Ash had cleared we'd saved the tieflings with some casualties but Karlach seemed to be very pissed about the whole affair, even though the druids started it 🤷♀️😂
I left the area and went to the Gith creche without even siding with either group or harming anyone. Then when I came back to recruit Karlach she assumed I was responsible for all the tieflings dying. For some reason. :/
@@barbatos9555 I was about to say that there's no logical way for her to know anything about the grove when she's spent the whole time since the crash bleeding on a rock, but you completely beat me with that argument.
Well, yes. No matter what excuse you have, you still end up killing loads of people. If you care enough, you would know that the situation there is very tense and it only needs a tiny spark
So I only found her after I started act 2 and did stuff in the last light inn where almost everyone there unfortunately died out of my control. When I found her, I was so confused with what she was talking about, that no one in the druid’s cove has ever died. Pretty much ended up taking her head as my only choice.
Karlach, Will and Halsin are all morally good, so you have to skip them if you kill the druids. I feel it's a little unfair that badly pickpocketting nettie resulted in the druids going nuts at the tieflings and I just had to run with it.
If you pickpocket and assassinate nettie in the chamber with the drow body no druid will actually notice her being dead and you still get her cool diadem without any druid attacks on the Tieflings lol Edit: You don't need to pickpocket her, you can just pick up the diadem from her body
@@pernajuel9771 I quite liked that the game took a turn that way on my dark urge run, just to do something different. You do lose all the tiefling and some companion quest lines, but the game has enough ways of making up XP.
Would love if there was an update to make it a little less costly to recruit Minthara. It seems slightly unreasonable to have large swathes of story and characters immediately cut off in return for ONE companion.
Try and look at it like because an evil playthrough cuts out so many options, she's the life vest the devs throw you so you can still have a full party and finish the game, rather than that you have to forsake a bunch of story to recruit her.
I dont' mind it. Of course people should do the good side the first run, plus all the related quests, but in a later evil run it's nice to skip past all the same quests.
the only logical way that would work is if you knocked her unconscious, pick her up and make her a prisoner at the druid grove effectively sparing her life. But even then there's no story way that you can make that work. What they will probably do is add in 2 new evil companions in an enhanced edition of the game that you can recruit in act 1, or people who are perfectly fine with you murdering the grove. A few options that could work are a one of the theifling warriors at the druid grove or are angry about the ritual, who can be persuaded to join in destroying the druids. Another would be Kharga and the shadow elves. Creating a parallel story where you cast out the theiflings, make a pact with the goblins not to destroy the grove, and she joins you in place of Halsin. Or the shadow druid cast her out once they are done manipulating her to take the grove over, and she no longer cares if it burns
Well...if I ever needed a reason not to kill everyone at the grove, there it is! I would never (really NEVER) do anything that would cause Karlach to turn against me. This really makes me think if I even want to do an evil run...losing Karlach for Minthara? I don't think I can do that.
On my first playthrough Karlach was my love and I followed her to hell at the end. It was a big love indeed. On my 2nd durge playthrough I just killed her... Felt strange, but I was in my role you know. I've chosen Minthara as my relationship that time. Lazael wasnt pleased though... All the NPCs are so much into monogamy...
When I do my evil play through I'm going to spare the Druid Grove. I can accept losing Halsin for Minthara, that's a 1 for 1 trade, fine. But losing Halsin, Karlach and Wyll for Minthara? You havin' a laugh Larian? That's not happening.
They really should have given us another companion you only get with Minthara being in your party, similar to how you need Jaheira to get Minsc. Because at least then there's only a net loss of 1, since you lose 3 companions but get two more. It wouldn't feel nearly as bad as it does now, plus, you get access to content you otherwise wouldn't have as a trade off, ya know?
@@EmperorSteelewhy? My first playthrough was evil durge and it was fun experience. All the good characters loved me, I saved druids, I was the lover of Selune priestess Shadowheart, and then I made them all my murder puppets, as I always planned. Well... I knew I am planning something, specifics were a surprise even to me
@@Kelthal While there's ways around it, if you want to be "evil", you generally tend to kill everyone in the grove/help the goblins take it over. This will prevent Wyll and Karlach from siding with you. Allowing the Shadow druids to take over, while still "evil", apparently isn't as huge of a deal-breaker.
It kinda sucks that there is no option to keep minthara anymore without letting Halsen die. I tried ignoring the grove and going to the towers. Then I came back for him and he was dead even with the jailers already dead. That and the killing khaga trick and stealing the idol of Sylvanus no longer works. Taking it at all leaves all the tieflings dead after the next long rest and the druids hostile to you. Even Mol is gone come act 2.
There is a popular mod on nexus: Daughter of Lolth - Minthara - Good Recruitment. It makes Minthara run away before you kill her in goblin camp and allows you to save her later. You gotta load a save where you are before act 2 started for the mod to work
@@Listopadek thanks for the heads up. I mostly want her because shes a paladin with old school stats. She averages 14 which for 5th ed is bonkers at level 1. In second ed that was normal but feats were not a thing then and stat advancement was incredibly rare not something available every few levels. Im kinda miffed viconia is not recruitable. I always had her in BG1 and 2. Item for the next play-through. Im way too far in the second play-through to back up now.
they're mutually exclusive recruitments. I don't see why that's a bad thing. Plenty of RPGS do this exact same thing in a branching storyline, particularly when morality is involved. Recruiting a villainess like Minthara makes sense that you have to burn a shit ton of bridges. Despite her saying the Absolute made her do it- she's evil to the core and would have made those decisions on her own terms anyway.
@@Anarch_Bushey a couple of things here, first 5th ed got rid of alignment (BLASPHEMY!) apparently paladins are not sworn to gods anymore (BLASPHEMY!) and finally there used to be a workaround for recruitment or so I read and watched a video covering it. Kill the gobos in the wharg pens free halsin and tell him to wait there. Dont talk to Minthara at all, go to moonrise and break her out of prison there. Then come back for halsin and tell him about the kid at last light. Boom! Or so I read and attempted. This is a second playthrough. Im kinda peeved because without halsin I cant lift the nonsensical shadow curse (THIS IS NOT SEMBIA!) otherwise I would not care. I killed him in my first play through anyway fir hurting scratch (dog abusers die!). My final point is there have always been neutral approaches, and with all the options open there should be a way. For crying out loud I turned gortash to gold at his coronation.
@@Anarch_Bushey the problem is you cant get Minthara if you help the tieflings. I'm totally OK with not having Helsin and getting Minthara instead, but the choices you have to make (even if you choose to knock her out rather than kill her) are ridiculous. That's the problem, when you recruit her you learn more about the character and she is not the cartoonishly evil character like the goblins are in act 1. And yes, that mod is fantastic, allows you to get Minthara w/o committing a war crime, challenge there is of course you completely miss out on her romance option.
This did not make sense to me. My first run I attacked the evil druid, and instead of her fighting me with all her strength, she sent a few druids out to kill the Tiefings, which did not seem to be taking turns which was dumb, as I was still new to the game, and fight slow in turnbased games anyway. Then somehow, possibly the best follower in the game, was locked out, because I killed some druids who killed all here fellow Tieflings. I ended up restarting after that with a Druid, since my wizard felt redundant with Gale, and I was a wizard without a tank anyway...I might have killed Lae'zel because when I freed her if the intention of killing the Tieflings holding her captive, she said "join me or die" She was way too easy of a fight to be so crazy. I had no intention of killing her until that one line...though in other play throughs, I try to keep her around.
Now this only happens if you kill the tieflings, if you only kill the druids then she will still side with you, even Halsin forgives you for killing his people.
That did not happen on my run. I killed the druids and saved the Tieflings. Killed the entire goblin camp and got Halsin in my camp. Kevlar was happy and thankful. Karlach still told me to F off.
@@chadn.1619 And did you talk to Kagha about Zevler wants her out? or did you simply just go attack her without starting a conversation? Well, the good playthrough is also better, and by good I don't mean rush to the goblin camp and get Halsin out, No in the good playthrough you want to expose Kagha, by finding her chest and her secret letter, then some shadow druids will show up, and you kill those and Kagha confess, and apologize, even to Halsin, all dialogues are completely different then. even if you fail the checks and Kagha will attack you, the other druids won't. - Well anyways, in my first playthrough I had Karlach in my party when the druids attacked and she stayed in my group so I don't know.
This is how my first playthrough went, when i played through the game again to do the good stuff I truly realized how much I missed out killing Karlach
Karlach: "Did it make you feel important? Did it make you feel big?" No. I suspect the feeling was more in line of someone called in to do pest control.
Yesterday I attempted to do an evil playthrough, but was physically sickened looking at my character (a Lolth-Sworn drow warlock with a patron from Maladomini) by the time of the party. I completely agree with Karlach's wrath here.
I just never went to her. I got to the druid grove, walked past Wyll, got Kagha to kill Arabella, attacked Kagha. Wyll died outside in the fight and so I never got his quest to go to Karlach, and I couldn't bear being evil around her since she was my first romance.
Had to replay like 3 hours of content bc after they attempted to kill a child my instinct was kill the bad guy not knowing it would lock me out of her character for some reason
I’m on my second playthrough, a scuzzy human fighter mercenary type. I romanced Karlach on my first playthrough, so behold the pain of straight up attacking her on Tyr’s paycheck without a word, and my sheer terror when decapitating her with a knife. Brutal.
Durge has a line explaining that there is something inside them and she responds that they should find out whose monster is stronger or something like that.
Karlach was the #1 character i wanted to romance. I went to camp while at the grove, came back, all the teiflings were dead once i left camp. 😢 seriously i ended up slaughtering the goblins ANYWAY. I went to go find karlach and this happened to me i was HEARTBROKEN 💔
this happend in my 2nd or 3rd playthrough, some of my friends were causing chaos. i didn't know what they were doing. next thing I know we're fighting a whole bunch of people in the grove. I don't too much of it, then I realise the impact it had when karlach reacted like this. and I was having non of it. I reloaded when it was just me and another friend and I put things right.
Lol my first playthrough was asking her who she was then forgetting her name after i killed her like the dozens of others at the Grove who i killed. On my new playthrough she is my key companion chucking spears at Auntie Ethel
Funny, I've been trying to play it good. I felt for the greater good it was fine to kill the female Druid leader and then the whole camp killed itself. Karlach blamed it all on me. So we just killed her, too.
My current run I am pretty paragon. Self serving and neutral when the stars align but basically a good person. I'm dreaming of a stream where I quietly murder all the goblins and then speak to the last guard at the front. I haven't met Karlach yet but that fabled broken bridge is close.
I’m doing my first play though and killed everyone in the grove because it seemed easier than killing the goblin leaders, but now I’m realizing I’m missing out on 3 companions. Rip
I had no idea she was a companion character. Just a bad guy Wyll was hunting lol. Ended up killing her, and later learned on the internet you could recruit her!
"Why yes, I did feel big and strong, oh what's that? I'll end up in the hells, oh why thank you! Shame I have to send Zariel her property back, you're a peach" -My Fiend Warlock probably
this broke my heart, in my first playthrough i was a tryna be a super righteous barbarian, like a "i'll club you to death in the name of justice and freedom" so i fought kagha killed her, went to camp and when i came back the grove was sealed and i had to fight karlach
For some reason even though I saved the Druid grove I got this response from her. I was in act 2 and came back to find her just for her to attack me lol
This happened to me on my evil durge run. I got Alfira to teach me musical instrument proficiency. I played a couple of tunes for her and got compliments from her, but won't join me sadly. This is the only run without her in it x.x Brightside I got Minthara though which I have been trying to romance in my other runs.
THIS HAPPENED TO ME AND I WAS SO UPSET ABOUT IT! I didn't even slaughter the Druid's Grove, I fought the head Druid who was torturing the little Tiefling girl and then all the Druids and Tieflings slaughtered each other. And I saved right after the fight, and had just cleared up all my older save files, so I wasn't able to jump back to before the fight. I wanted Karlach on my team so bad too.
Mol asked me to steal the idol so I acquiesced to the little 9 year old and did it leading to the druids murdering all the tieflings. I attempted to help the tiefs but could not because the druids had them massively outnumbered and out matched, but I killed all the hostile druids in the end. Karlach was still pissed and accused me of killing the Tieflings. So I killed one more. 😅
Notice how there's no tadpole connection before she tells you off? How does she know about the druids? My guess is she took a peek through the fourth wall.
Reminds me of my first honor mode run. I got to the druids Grove and went to see kahga so I could save the child from being imprisoned. Everything was going smoothly, and I was talking to my companions after saving the kid when kahga starts to aggro me like I stole from her only I can't bribe or talk my way out of it. What sort of crazy glitch was this. There is no way to reload the save. Man, this sucks. I make it out of the fight alive and check to see if I've aggroed everyone at the grove... huh, the druids working the ritual are gone. That's odd... oh there dead teiflings over there. Awwww @#$%!. What have I done. The druids have rounded up all the trifling into the jail area and are massacreing everyone. All said and done I think I managed to save 2 teiflings. When I then culdn't recruit karlach I just started over. Lol. Turns out kahga didn't appreciate me using the freindship cantrip and i was so used to using it in almost every social skill check on easier difficulties that i didn't know it could backfire like that. Remember kids, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. .
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start a new game as Karlach and betray the grove
To be fair, that outfit deserves a death sentence all on its own.
Lmao
When you got a cowboy meeting at 8 but gotta protect Faerun at 9
you don’t know fashion
@@storiesbyJTKI find your lack of drip disturbing
That’s just style in Avernus
Evil Main Character: "I don't even know who you are."
For me it was tuesday! 🧐 LOL
"You will"
@@Manarox2142No, I’m Tav. Wyll hired me to kill you.
Ah fighting her while she was angry would have been much satisfying then killing her while she pleaded not to. I'll have to do this next time. Because I killed her before slaughtering everyone in the grove.
Okay, Thanos! 🤣🤣🤣
"Pretty sure I told you to fuck off, mate" is golden and I love it.
I wanted her to be my friiiend why did I choose to do a genocid save at first :(
I did an evil playthrough and I avoided Karlach as much as I can. This dialogue would break my commitment to the evil path
My intention for evil playthrough as well
I started this game with a half-assed blind run... my intention was to be the type that doesnt give a shit, kinda evil... and the longer Karlach was on my team, the more i couldnt help but do good things
At 1st I was watching some Dark Urge videos and,noticing Karlach wasn't in the team,I was disappointed. I was like:"I *WANT* Karlach in my team!!😫❤"then I reflected on it and I realized:"She's probably too Good...she must have left the Party at 1 point.😢💔"then I saw that there is an option to cut her head and I thought:"Oh,well...if you *_must_* go all Evil,it's probably better to do _this_ and getting a cool,disturbing cutscene than just having to confront her in a fight or just having her leaving on her own.🤷♂👿"But,TBH...I would prefer that she had the possibility of *beating me* and giving me a lesson!🤕Not saying that she necessarely has to _kill me_ but beating me in a non-lethal way and then telling me:"I hope you've learned the lesson,you scumbag!🤬💢If I'll ever meet you again...I *WILL* kill you!🔥"I would deserve it!
I didn't see her at all until I reached act 2 and go down to the underdark. I chopped her head off just for the quest reward lol
I had to do the same thing. I couldn’t bear to kill her and I couldn’t bear to cheese and keep her around while I do awful evil things
I don’t think I’ll ever be able to do an evil playthrough.. not without wholesome barbarian mom at my side.
Man i only killed the druid because kagha was an ass to the tieflings.. which ended in everyone except my party dying..
@leonmueller2383 kagha has a secret she is keeping you can find around aunties Hidden Island and explains why she did what she did.
@@EverythingKeem i found the grove area first and i had no idea and when i was in the thing talking to kagha she just seemed like a villain i couldnt have known
btw pls no spoilers to act 2 im not even through act 1 yet, still already 70 play hours lmao
I can’t stand her and kill her every chance I get.
You know you're evil if someone who spent 10 years in literal hell thinks you're a monster
I mean it doesn’t really have that much of an impact, karlach ( compared to the rest of the party ) is a saint and pretty moral, now if an actual demon is in your party and you did something that warranted them to call you a monster, that would have more impact imo
she's a slave, poor girl :( comparing to others, she's literally a angel
@@Mshari-the-grey-warden or just Astarion lol
Ten years in hell during the blood war but totally knows jaheira and fangirls. Totally not a cheap ass writer insert.
@@codylawler2652this cheap ass writer insert is incredibly popular and loved so stay mad
Nice of you to show all the different lines. Really cool video, thanks :)
Glad you liked it!
Thanks
Really appreciate the effort you put into getting all the outcomes.
So nice of you . Thanks
More proof that Karlach is the goodest of all characters.
I'd pat her hair if she wasn't burning, wasn't even taller than me and if she wouldn't crush my spine with a hug.
A small price to pay for salvation
Sher's definitely the most tunnel visioned. I had my reasons for taking down the grove, and none of them had anything to do with feeling strong or whatever.
@@Adanu191 True, but there is no way of justifying it as anything other than an evil act. A mercilessly evil one. So Karlach is understandable in her hatred of you.
Tunnel vision perhaps, but she's right.
@@ArmchairRizzard I destroyed the grove to gain a cover with the cult and to spy on them, if I could have spared anyone or managed to get them to get away somehow, I would have. I would consider the way I destroy it a neutral act in intent.
I went so far as to ignore Halsin in his cage so he wouldn't be caught up in the massacre, even. Better to have some rocks thrown at him than be caught up in the killing.
@@ArmchairRizzard BS. Kagha was an evil psychopath working with dark druids.
Also it was the druids that slaughtered the camp, not the player.
And there is no way she should even know about the grove when she was here fighting the paladins.
This entire scene is badly written and makes no sense.
She's not right. About anything.
My first playthrough, I went in without getting to Karlach and accidentally started a race war between the Druids and the Tieflings. It was only after did I find Karlach and she said I was responsible. Huh? I killed the Druids with the Tieflings, and as my character is a Tiefling, I felt like it was only right to do so. Halsin was freed, he held no resentment towards me, so he was my companion. Wyll died during the very first goblin fight, so I couldn't recruit him, and I stabbed Minthara in the back since I was going to kill her anyway.
Wasn't a Durge run, I'm just very... chaos prone.
Dang that sure is a lot of caos on a run
Yeah, I had a run where the druids attacked me without warning, then attacked the tieflings. After the druids were defeated, Karlach said I was responsible.
I like that. I might do a Durge run maybe but I prefer my own evil to exposition evil.
I’m doing my evil play through and it sucks losing karlach.
Ah, that's who left our party I guess after we killed the grove. My friend and I are playing through an evil campaign and kept failing to recruit MInthara still. Finally we got her and then the first night after the destruction of the grove she ended up dead because of a bug. Couldn't even find her corpse to get her outfit lol
You can still get her if you kill her before the cut scene I believe
@@Setzerattacking the grove makes karlach and wyll leave
@@xarachne8473 yeah wyll we had already killed
but the satisfaction of killing refugees makes up for it.
It would have been nice to have another legacy character that was okay with evil runs. I like the idea of some characters being barred if you turn evil, but it gets boring when you dont get to change your party for half the entire game.
Theres no shortage of evil people in the game, but for whatever reason, they're not recruitable
I mean Astarion and Laezel are evil. It's just not a symmetrical dynamic because they don't leave if you do good things, and the player doesn't choose to kill them most of the time even if a good character logically would.
@@evangelosvasiliades1204 laezel inst so much evil as brutal. he approves when i do good things and when i do pretty brutal things. she just has no compassion or empathy, but can be coaxed into being good sometimes. she will cut her cousins throat on command, but isnt ok with you stealing one of her people's eggs to sell it, she's nothing if not hypocritical and conflicted.
@@ElectricalExistence I think there is a very interesting conversation to be had on the topic of what exactly evil is and where the 'being a product of one's culture' lies in that space. I personally am inclined to agree with you because I think evil is linked to selfishness and Laezel is infact extremely selfless.
That said, those 'brutal' actions are ones most people would consider at minimum unacceptable and very well despicable. And I think most would agree that heinous actions don't become acceptable because they have any sort of good motivation. And in Laezel's case she does have moments of showing a sadistic edge which makes the borderline that much messier.
In the context of the game/an adventure group it would make sense to me that an evil party would be happy to have someone more than willing to do bloody work, and who in return finds herself downright turned on by a leader who weilds power and cuts down innocents. While a good party would be uncomfortable and not trust her, or be willing to overlook her being a githyanki in the first place.
@@evangelosvasiliades1204Astarion isn’t evil at all. Just horrifically traumatised.
@@megasauruss One does not preclude the other, rather his life experiences are why he is evil. (Although plenty go through similar experiences and do not turn out the same way, so it would be more accurate to say his reaction is equally responsible, indeed the character of Hope in the game serves as a relevant example in that regard)
The way that the world has treated him, has made him a rather selfish individual, and a monster made is still a monster. If that comes across as a little strong, I would remind you that he approves of most of the actions of violence, deception, and unscrupulous ambition that you can display ingame. Indeed he is the first character to suggest taking control of the cult rather than destroying it, which is literally the evil ending of the game.
Then there is the matter of his century plus reign of committing crimes for his master. Obviously there is a degree of coercion involved here, but its important to take in the subtleties of how he talks about these incidences, indeed he holds greater grievance with being made to do things for a man he dislikes than showing any sort of guilt or remorse. This is best demonstrated in his meeting with the gur tribespeople early in act 3. And at the end of the day it is a tremendous amount of wrong doing that requires him to be held to account for justice to be had.
It is of course important to mention that you as the player have the ability to push him to be a better man or his worst self. He is a nuanced character, not the exaggerated evil common in fantasy. (Interestingly given how fantastical his story is on the surface) But I would absolutely argue that he is a great example of the more mundane evil that populates our world. One which is very commonly backed by past tragedy.
Supposedly you can recruit karlach before killing the druids, kill karlach in your camp, leave her dead while you kill the druids, then come back to camp and have withers resurrect her, and she won’t leave. But I haven’t tested it.
Doesn't work since the last patch, it used to work for Wyll too.
@@lucasco031194 good to know
@@flakdampler11still works for me lol
@@Herb-oah ok, you got the super special "my copy ignores patches" version of the game. lucky you
@@Herb-o And how does that make sense? Your game just doesn't get patches somehow?
You don't have to actually destroy the entire grove for this to happen. It will happen if you side with the tieflings against the druids and then kill the druids when they try to murder all the tieflings. That's what happened in my playthrough. So you don't technically have to be doing an "evil" playthrough to get this.
Did you do it by killing Kagha without exposing her first?
@@digimonlover1632 Yup
@@JC-xe6wr I'd like to recruit Minthara _and_ Karlach...I'm looking for a way to do both...doesn't seem easy...🤔
@@Nicamon just knock minthara out
@@La-PetitMortwhat’s minthara?
I killed those druids before they ethnically clensed the tieflings and was pretty confused when karlach reacted this way. Like i felt pretty justified in my actions.
is there any way to side with the Absolute without killing tieflings in act 1? i feel bad for them, but druids are just bunch of racists and biggots that I dont mind getting rid of. massacring tieflings is the only thing i feel bad about in this quest
@@sodiumchloride3876 how many of the druids have you actually spoken with? They don't all hate the tieflings, it's really just kauga.
@@benthomason3307 It was Kauga and the blond druid that is overtly xenophobic. Plus some of the other druids really don't want anyone in their groves.
@@benthomason3307 And even then, Kagha was actively being manipulated by the game's villains, as you learn if you read through documents in late Act 2.
check in around the servants quarters for a special chest, it helps lead you to an alternate resolution to the kagha and ritual of thorn stuff, instead of helping them move you can let them stay
"You'll have to be more specific, I've killed A LOT of people."
Imagine Karlach grabs you and teleports you both straight to Avernus for doing that 💀
Fun fact, same happens if you kill only Zevlor. I killed him cause he asked me to kill Khaga. Then, Karlach started to saying this and I was like "wtf are you talking about" and I had to kill her.
Ohhh, this is gonna be so sad. Me and my friend are playing a full on evil playthrough with my character as Dark Urge while my friend's character's goal is to become a Mind Flayer. We just destroyed the grove and hadn't gotten to Karlach yet, but the only two companions we have alive are Astarion and Shadowheart. Wyll, Gale, and Lae'zel are all dead for, reasons-
Have you found Withers yet? He's in that old crypt near the start of the game. He can resurrect companion for a small fee, and can even change your character class too.
@@valbroderick8156 that’s the thing, we killed them before they ever joined our party. And for our evil run, we aren’t resurrecting them, even if we can
@@DarkNightmare-zk4bsyou can always make new companions :)
I like karlach so I was sad when I saw this dialogue in my co op playthrough since my friends decided to murder the druids because of kahga while I was looking around.
You let the party split, chaos ensues, makes sense haha. Sorry for your loss.
Love the profile pic
@@orestesbastosI can never keep the party together because we’re all loot goblins, everyone’s trying to beat the next person to the good loot. The party is rarely ever together
Eh, it happens, nothing wrong with dealing with the druids that wouldn't even kill their leader for trying to/actually killing a child, that level of forgiveness of evil is cowardice at best, or compliancy, neither are good.
@@AlbinoMothDragon True indeed, they cower too much to her and seem to put "the good of the grove" above helping innocents and they are supposed to be from the Emeral Enclave.
I understand having consequences... I understand having our choices matter... but... but... I want Karlach, Lae'zel, and Minthara in my party at the same time... :( Personally, I think the choice should've just been Halsin OR Minthara not Minthara OR Halsin, Karlach, Wyll, every tiefling, every druid, and even Gale if you fail the checks to keep him.
I mean. I really don't see how Karlach would possibly tolerate you slaughtering the tieflings... They made that choice for a reason. Same for wyll. And the loss isn't that big a deal if you are going evil route because they are such good people anyways. They don't fit the vibe.
For fairness sake you could argue for getting more than just Minthara, but a tiny amount of people play evil paths in rpgs, and companions are a lot of work, I don't fault larian for only making the one.
You can go to mountain pass for example and leave the tieflings to die that way, meaning you only lose Halsin
you make shitty decisions you get shitty prizes
@@Joshx2415If you do not proactively save the Druid's Grove and the Tieflings, Karlach refuses to join you. I tried on a file that didn't side with either, and she still hated me because the Tieflings didn't make it out.
They couldve done something like u fail a saving throw meeting minthara, she extracts info then imprisons u, by the time u get there everyones dead and karlach becomes furious. Hellbent on revenege againsg minthara
I haven't played, but based on what I've seen: I wouldn't be able to handle an evil playthrough. I don't want any of the companions mad at me permanently
The guilt is too strong
I killed all my companions and played through with only hirelings.
Same bro I get too upset at an AI being upset at me xD
this is an evil playthrough for sure
@@madlarkin8 Savage lol
spoiler alert. i played the dirge and when he killed alfina, (the bard from the grove; no choice in it) i legit stopped playing that profile.
In the druid grove, when you're told to "go no further," if you decide to go past anyways, the shadow druids will start a fight and everybody will die. Karlach will be under an odd impression the whole thing is your fault. I can understand why they'd do that. Dammon can't fix her engine when he's dead, but if you legitimately had nothing to do with it, there really should be some reaction between "you are a mass-murderer" and "please help me kill some bad guys and I will love you forever."
I had the same problem!! We ended up fighting the druids, and by the time the smoke and Ash had cleared we'd saved the tieflings with some casualties but Karlach seemed to be very pissed about the whole affair, even though the druids started it 🤷♀️😂
I left the area and went to the Gith creche without even siding with either group or harming anyone. Then when I came back to recruit Karlach she assumed I was responsible for all the tieflings dying. For some reason. :/
@@erlockruuziik7237 I mean tbf Karlach can break the 4th wall to a limited degree, maybe she has some like sixth sense or something
@@barbatos9555 I was about to say that there's no logical way for her to know anything about the grove when she's spent the whole time since the crash bleeding on a rock, but you completely beat me with that argument.
Well, yes. No matter what excuse you have, you still end up killing loads of people. If you care enough, you would know that the situation there is very tense and it only needs a tiny spark
This is exactly how I play the game. I always load back to see all the dialogue options. Maybe that's why the game is taking me forever lol
Indeed I am still in act 2
@@HippoReddy I just got to act 2 and already got 90+ hours, my friends are all in act 3 already haha.
Ended game month ago now😅
@@orestesbastos Act 3 and at 130 hours. Two major quests to do at least.
save some of it for another playthrough!
So I only found her after I started act 2 and did stuff in the last light inn where almost everyone there unfortunately died out of my control. When I found her, I was so confused with what she was talking about, that no one in the druid’s cove has ever died. Pretty much ended up taking her head as my only choice.
Would have thought the DC to intimidate her would be a lot higher.
You just massacred all the Druids, you're pretty intimidating.
you have no idea how helpful your videos are to me man
Glad you like them!
Thanks for the support
Doing an evil playthrough now, didn't even talk to karlach. For good reason it seems, my heart couldn't take it to kill her
Oh man that's going to be a hard playthrough once i side with the goblins.
Karlach, Will and Halsin are all morally good, so you have to skip them if you kill the druids. I feel it's a little unfair that badly pickpocketting nettie resulted in the druids going nuts at the tieflings and I just had to run with it.
PRANK! PICKING POCKETS PRANK GONE WRONG, GONE VIRAL, GONE SEXUAL. You won't believe what happens next!
If you pickpocket and assassinate nettie in the chamber with the drow body no druid will actually notice her being dead and you still get her cool diadem without any druid attacks on the Tieflings lol
Edit: You don't need to pickpocket her, you can just pick up the diadem from her body
@@pernajuel9771 I quite liked that the game took a turn that way on my dark urge run, just to do something different. You do lose all the tiefling and some companion quest lines, but the game has enough ways of making up XP.
Would love if there was an update to make it a little less costly to recruit Minthara. It seems slightly unreasonable to have large swathes of story and characters immediately cut off in return for ONE companion.
She is probably the most well written so....
Try and look at it like because an evil playthrough cuts out so many options, she's the life vest the devs throw you so you can still have a full party and finish the game, rather than that you have to forsake a bunch of story to recruit her.
I dont' mind it. Of course people should do the good side the first run, plus all the related quests, but in a later evil run it's nice to skip past all the same quests.
the only logical way that would work is if you knocked her unconscious, pick her up and make her a prisoner at the druid grove effectively sparing her life. But even then there's no story way that you can make that work.
What they will probably do is add in 2 new evil companions in an enhanced edition of the game that you can recruit in act 1, or people who are perfectly fine with you murdering the grove. A few options that could work are a one of the theifling warriors at the druid grove or are angry about the ritual, who can be persuaded to join in destroying the druids. Another would be Kharga and the shadow elves. Creating a parallel story where you cast out the theiflings, make a pact with the goblins not to destroy the grove, and she joins you in place of Halsin. Or the shadow druid cast her out once they are done manipulating her to take the grove over, and she no longer cares if it burns
@@WizeGuyz2023 OH boy! ANOTHER druid companion!
Well...if I ever needed a reason not to kill everyone at the grove, there it is! I would never (really NEVER) do anything that would cause Karlach to turn against me. This really makes me think if I even want to do an evil run...losing Karlach for Minthara? I don't think I can do that.
On my first playthrough Karlach was my love and I followed her to hell at the end. It was a big love indeed.
On my 2nd durge playthrough I just killed her... Felt strange, but I was in my role you know. I've chosen Minthara as my relationship that time. Lazael wasnt pleased though... All the NPCs are so much into monogamy...
Karlach is pretty whiny. At least Minthara makes intelligent observations.
i like mommies so Minthara is easy choice
When I do my evil play through I'm going to spare the Druid Grove. I can accept losing Halsin for Minthara, that's a 1 for 1 trade, fine. But losing Halsin, Karlach and Wyll for Minthara? You havin' a laugh Larian? That's not happening.
They really should have given us another companion you only get with Minthara being in your party, similar to how you need Jaheira to get Minsc. Because at least then there's only a net loss of 1, since you lose 3 companions but get two more. It wouldn't feel nearly as bad as it does now, plus, you get access to content you otherwise wouldn't have as a trade off, ya know?
I mean, kinda hard to do an "evil play through" when you want to recruit literally the most good-aligned characters in the game =/
@@santosic I really think they should make Nere (the true soul guy in gymforge) recruitable to make up for Wyll and Karlach
@@EmperorSteelewhy? My first playthrough was evil durge and it was fun experience. All the good characters loved me, I saved druids, I was the lover of Selune priestess Shadowheart, and then I made them all my murder puppets, as I always planned.
Well... I knew I am planning something, specifics were a surprise even to me
@@Kelthal While there's ways around it, if you want to be "evil", you generally tend to kill everyone in the grove/help the goblins take it over. This will prevent Wyll and Karlach from siding with you.
Allowing the Shadow druids to take over, while still "evil", apparently isn't as huge of a deal-breaker.
Nothing a snickers bar won’t fix.
It kinda sucks that there is no option to keep minthara anymore without letting Halsen die. I tried ignoring the grove and going to the towers. Then I came back for him and he was dead even with the jailers already dead. That and the killing khaga trick and stealing the idol of Sylvanus no longer works. Taking it at all leaves all the tieflings dead after the next long rest and the druids hostile to you. Even Mol is gone come act 2.
There is a popular mod on nexus: Daughter of Lolth - Minthara - Good Recruitment. It makes Minthara run away before you kill her in goblin camp and allows you to save her later. You gotta load a save where you are before act 2 started for the mod to work
@@Listopadek thanks for the heads up. I mostly want her because shes a paladin with old school stats. She averages 14 which for 5th ed is bonkers at level 1. In second ed that was normal but feats were not a thing then and stat advancement was incredibly rare not something available every few levels. Im kinda miffed viconia is not recruitable. I always had her in BG1 and 2. Item for the next play-through. Im way too far in the second play-through to back up now.
they're mutually exclusive recruitments. I don't see why that's a bad thing. Plenty of RPGS do this exact same thing in a branching storyline, particularly when morality is involved. Recruiting a villainess like Minthara makes sense that you have to burn a shit ton of bridges. Despite her saying the Absolute made her do it- she's evil to the core and would have made those decisions on her own terms anyway.
@@Anarch_Bushey a couple of things here, first 5th ed got rid of alignment (BLASPHEMY!) apparently paladins are not sworn to gods anymore (BLASPHEMY!) and finally there used to be a workaround for recruitment or so I read and watched a video covering it.
Kill the gobos in the wharg pens free halsin and tell him to wait there. Dont talk to Minthara at all, go to moonrise and break her out of prison there. Then come back for halsin and tell him about the kid at last light. Boom! Or so I read and attempted. This is a second playthrough. Im kinda peeved because without halsin I cant lift the nonsensical shadow curse (THIS IS NOT SEMBIA!) otherwise I would not care. I killed him in my first play through anyway fir hurting scratch (dog abusers die!).
My final point is there have always been neutral approaches, and with all the options open there should be a way. For crying out loud I turned gortash to gold at his coronation.
@@Anarch_Bushey the problem is you cant get Minthara if you help the tieflings. I'm totally OK with not having Helsin and getting Minthara instead, but the choices you have to make (even if you choose to knock her out rather than kill her) are ridiculous.
That's the problem, when you recruit her you learn more about the character and she is not the cartoonishly evil character like the goblins are in act 1. And yes, that mod is fantastic, allows you to get Minthara w/o committing a war crime, challenge there is of course you completely miss out on her romance option.
I just knocked her out and said to her "you are weak. Come face me when you have enough hatred..."
This did not make sense to me. My first run I attacked the evil druid, and instead of her fighting me with all her strength, she sent a few druids out to kill the Tiefings, which did not seem to be taking turns which was dumb, as I was still new to the game, and fight slow in turnbased games anyway. Then somehow, possibly the best follower in the game, was locked out, because I killed some druids who killed all here fellow Tieflings.
I ended up restarting after that with a Druid, since my wizard felt redundant with Gale, and I was a wizard without a tank anyway...I might have killed Lae'zel because when I freed her if the intention of killing the Tieflings holding her captive, she said "join me or die" She was way too easy of a fight to be so crazy. I had no intention of killing her until that one line...though in other play throughs, I try to keep her around.
You have to expose the evil druid before you attack her. Then everyone loves you.
She's really not that far from the grove as her position almost overlooks it.
i'd love to find wyll here too, fighting as usual and then they see you as their common enemy
You don't even need to kill the people in the grove, if you long rest too many times and the grove is closed off, you get this dialogue too
I couldn’t kill her. I took the intimidation option and left her there, to either burn up or turn into a Mind Flayer.
Now this only happens if you kill the tieflings, if you only kill the druids then she will still side with you, even Halsin forgives you for killing his people.
Oh ok Thanks
That did not happen on my run. I killed the druids and saved the Tieflings. Killed the entire goblin camp and got Halsin in my camp. Kevlar was happy and thankful. Karlach still told me to F off.
@@chadn.1619 And did you talk to Kagha about Zevler wants her out? or did you simply just go attack her without starting a conversation? Well, the good playthrough is also better, and by good I don't mean rush to the goblin camp and get Halsin out, No in the good playthrough you want to expose Kagha, by finding her chest and her secret letter, then some shadow druids will show up, and you kill those and Kagha confess, and apologize, even to Halsin, all dialogues are completely different then. even if you fail the checks and Kagha will attack you, the other druids won't. - Well anyways, in my first playthrough I had Karlach in my party when the druids attacked and she stayed in my group so I don't know.
Nope, killed the druids not the tieflings, yet Karlach hates me
@@valerian8063 Well that is weird because that did not happen to me.
0:46 she HAD a neck for killing demons, but not against me. 😈
When she said that, I was like "bring it bitch" 👿
This is how my first playthrough went, when i played through the game again to do the good stuff I truly realized how much I missed out killing Karlach
I was so happy to meet her after the grove and sad to find that she was angry with me.
Karlach: "Did it make you feel important? Did it make you feel big?"
No. I suspect the feeling was more in line of someone called in to do pest control.
Yesterday I attempted to do an evil playthrough, but was physically sickened looking at my character (a Lolth-Sworn drow warlock with a patron from Maladomini) by the time of the party. I completely agree with Karlach's wrath here.
Lol, you weakling, i killed her in all my playtroughs because i only simp for Minthara
Karlach is so pure hearted
I killed the asshole druid who wanted to imprison a kid and Karlach didn't mind at all. Is it because I had Wyll with me when I met her?
Fun fact you can get karlach killed before the massacre you can revive her after it happens and she will stay with you
I didn't even do it. The druids attacked the Tieflings after I took the idol on their request. It was a internal conflict.
Grove lady attacked me, so i killed her. Now my first playthrough i miss out on 50%+ of the companions. I love the game but this is pretty bad
I'm doing an evil playthrough right now and I was horribly disappointed that I couldn't keep Karlach in my party.
always next playthrough!
I was really excited to do the same till i see this.
The dark urge can tell her something like "Their curdling screams were like a balm to my addled mind"
Killed karlach in my evil play through. It made me physically ill lol😅
I killed her and had no idea she was even a companion. Wrecked her and missed nothing.
I just never went to her. I got to the druid grove, walked past Wyll, got Kagha to kill Arabella, attacked Kagha. Wyll died outside in the fight and so I never got his quest to go to Karlach, and I couldn't bear being evil around her since she was my first romance.
@@Iam_StuMy bard signaled Arabella to run because she wanted to see what would happen.
I had to turn the sound down when I went to kill Isobel and sold off Dame Ailyn LOL.
I remember I had this happen to me. I literally felt like thanos because I didn’t even remember who she was talking about till I looked it up
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Had to replay like 3 hours of content bc after they attempted to kill a child my instinct was kill the bad guy not knowing it would lock me out of her character for some reason
And here is me on my evil playthrough using her head as a thrown weapon. Minthara and I shall place it as a lovely ornament.
Karlach: F**k off, I have more important things to do.
Also Karlach: "Cries"
I’m on my second playthrough, a scuzzy human fighter mercenary type. I romanced Karlach on my first playthrough, so behold the pain of straight up attacking her on Tyr’s paycheck without a word, and my sheer terror when decapitating her with a knife. Brutal.
I love that when you succeed at deciving or intimidating Karlach, you didn't actually succeed. She just decides you're not worth it.
Durge has a line explaining that there is something inside them and she responds that they should find out whose monster is stronger or something like that.
Karlach was the #1 character i wanted to romance. I went to camp while at the grove, came back, all the teiflings were dead once i left camp. 😢 seriously i ended up slaughtering the goblins ANYWAY. I went to go find karlach and this happened to me i was HEARTBROKEN 💔
she basically friend zones you if you meet her after you save the grove
Perhaps you need to do internal reflection if "desiring bloody justice" is the same as "friendzone".
@@scw55 I think you misread his comment, I did too reading it for the first time
I just learned this the hard way. Sad.
@@scw55 "Save", they said.
I need you Karlach...not really for playing but to turn into octopus later and make my Lae Zel happy
This was my first playthrough experience. I wiped out the grove then met her. Beheaded her and brought her head to the paladins of Tyr.
She looks strong. Like she could throw me over her shoulders and carry me to safety. - Thirsty Shadowheart
this happend in my 2nd or 3rd playthrough, some of my friends were causing chaos. i didn't know what they were doing. next thing I know we're fighting a whole bunch of people in the grove. I don't too much of it, then I realise the impact it had when karlach reacted like this. and I was having non of it. I reloaded when it was just me and another friend and I put things right.
I feel like there should've been a scenario where Karlach joins you in this situation. She just knows that it was you and no convincing otherwise...
Lol my first playthrough was asking her who she was then forgetting her name after i killed her like the dozens of others at the Grove who i killed. On my new playthrough she is my key companion chucking spears at Auntie Ethel
Welcome to my first playthrough. I got the sword for her head and never used that trash.
All I did was have an invisible summoned imp "Move" the idol in the Emerald Grove. Bloodshed happened _(courtesy of the Druids)_ as a result.
Funny, I've been trying to play it good. I felt for the greater good it was fine to kill the female Druid leader and then the whole camp killed itself. Karlach blamed it all on me. So we just killed her, too.
youll have to remind me, ive burned many towns they all sort of blend together.
i met her after raiding DG and she's still in my party in act 3. i mean her head in my inventory hehe
My current run I am pretty paragon. Self serving and neutral when the stars align but basically a good person. I'm dreaming of a stream where I quietly murder all the goblins and then speak to the last guard at the front. I haven't met Karlach yet but that fabled broken bridge is close.
“Karlach’s my name. Killings my game.”
I’m doing my first play though and killed everyone in the grove because it seemed easier than killing the goblin leaders, but now I’m realizing I’m missing out on 3 companions. Rip
I had no idea she was a companion character. Just a bad guy Wyll was hunting lol. Ended up killing her, and later learned on the internet you could recruit her!
"Why yes, I did feel big and strong, oh what's that? I'll end up in the hells, oh why thank you! Shame I have to send Zariel her property back, you're a peach" -My Fiend Warlock probably
This is the only thing I saw about Karlach in my playthrough
this broke my heart, in my first playthrough i was a tryna be a super righteous barbarian, like a "i'll club you to death in the name of justice and freedom" so i fought kagha killed her, went to camp and when i came back the grove was sealed and i had to fight karlach
ironically in my evil dark urge playthrough i just beelined to her, and then did my thing at the grove
I ended up killing her not knowing she could be recruited, do I regret it, well no?
For some reason even though I saved the Druid grove I got this response from her. I was in act 2 and came back to find her just for her to attack me lol
this happened my first playthrough and made it my mission to recruit her and romance her my 2nd playthrough
*I-LOVE-KARLACH!* 😍 She's the *BEST* character of this game,no doubts!!❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥
This happened to me on my evil durge run. I got Alfira to teach me musical instrument proficiency. I played a couple of tunes for her and got compliments from her, but won't join me sadly. This is the only run without her in it x.x
Brightside I got Minthara though which I have been trying to romance in my other runs.
Okay well, that settles it. No evil playthrough for me. Karlach is my LOVE❤
THIS HAPPENED TO ME AND I WAS SO UPSET ABOUT IT! I didn't even slaughter the Druid's Grove, I fought the head Druid who was torturing the little Tiefling girl and then all the Druids and Tieflings slaughtered each other. And I saved right after the fight, and had just cleared up all my older save files, so I wasn't able to jump back to before the fight. I wanted Karlach on my team so bad too.
yup same exact thing here, doesn't make any sense, seems like an oversight on behalf of the devs tbh. I just did what zevlor asked
Mol asked me to steal the idol so I acquiesced to the little 9 year old and did it leading to the druids murdering all the tieflings. I attempted to help the tiefs but could not because the druids had them massively outnumbered and out matched, but I killed all the hostile druids in the end. Karlach was still pissed and accused me of killing the Tieflings. So I killed one more. 😅
personally, i dont think there are enough companions, especially going the dark route. Its too easy for them to turn against you
Notice how there's no tadpole connection before she tells you off? How does she know about the druids? My guess is she took a peek through the fourth wall.
Reminds me of my first honor mode run. I got to the druids Grove and went to see kahga so I could save the child from being imprisoned. Everything was going smoothly, and I was talking to my companions after saving the kid when kahga starts to aggro me like I stole from her only I can't bribe or talk my way out of it. What sort of crazy glitch was this. There is no way to reload the save. Man, this sucks. I make it out of the fight alive and check to see if I've aggroed everyone at the grove... huh, the druids working the ritual are gone. That's odd... oh there dead teiflings over there. Awwww @#$%!. What have I done. The druids have rounded up all the trifling into the jail area and are massacreing everyone. All said and done I think I managed to save 2 teiflings. When I then culdn't recruit karlach I just started over. Lol. Turns out kahga didn't appreciate me using the freindship cantrip and i was so used to using it in almost every social skill check on easier difficulties that i didn't know it could backfire like that. Remember kids, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. .
First run I was playing trying to save people. Ending up killing mostly tho. Karlach was decapitated for that shiny ass greatsword!
ngl i think i perfer EA karlack’s attitude better.
This is what happened on my 1st run and current run and was super confused why people were saying she’s a companion 🤣🤣
XD
You can tell when an NPC you killed was a companion because of the loot they drop. its VERY different from loot you get from other mobs
“Fuck off, mate!”
“Yes mommy.”
“What the fuck…?”
As angry as Karlach ABSOLUTELY IS and has every right to be, she looks kind of adorably miffed in the thumbnail