Jim Cornette & Dave Meltzer Talk About Modern Wrestling, Joey Ryan, Video Game Wrestlers & More!
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
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Ladies and gentlemen: the prologue of the Jim vs. Uncle Dave saga.
SO TRUE
I wish we could get a live feed of corny's blood pressure and heartbeat during this podcast
Lmfao
Defending Joey Ryan. Dave Meltzer is an enabler.
I'm sure Ryan uses Dave's defense for him when confronted on the sexual assault "It worked at the time for the room!"
The only thing that has cut meltzer off is the ads on the video
And himself
Jim: asks a question
Dave: utt utt utt utt abbababbbababa!
Biggest problem of todays wrestling imo:
-Death Valley Driver on apron *kicks out*
-Powerbomb on concrete floor *kicks out*
-Top rope Tombstone Piledriver *kicks out*
-Clothesline
*3 count*
*
The most popular era of wrestling was almost always one finisher and it's over, unless there's interference or something. That's boring. The Japanese have been doing multiple false finishes since the 90s, and now Western wrestlers are emulating that. I don't see it as a bad thing, as multiple plausible endings as great drama when done well. With that said, I can usually predict the finish of 99% of the matches I watch today.
You forgot the 1000 different dives...
small package*
3 count
@@twistedimagev2 the most devastating finisher in all of sports entertainment
Are you talking about Okada?
Take a drink every time Meltzer finishes a sentence without stammering.
I’m buying. 🍸
I haven't been this sober in ages 😂
You're gonna go broke
We'd all have alcohol poisoning.
You buying then I hope you buy his sorry ass poison so no one has to listen to him anymore.
There's no alcohol left, even the Listerine is gone.
Six years later and this has aged like fine wine. Jim tried to warn us then and we didn’t listen
Dave Meltzer: you know you know it's like it's like you know you know
Dave goes around in endless circles when it comes to defending some of his indy darlings.
Reminder: "It sounds like it won't work but look at the room! the crowd love it!" Meltzer gave Hogan/Andre at WM3 Minus 4 Stars as a rating.
That was a shit match. A shit match with a classic moment. If you aired that match today as if it never happened, people would shit on it. Its a stillshot of a moment in time that no longer exists because of the evolution of both the business and the fans. A true five star match is timeless man, look at HBK Vs. Taker, Savage Vs. Steamboat, Razor's ladder match, ect. Jim HAS to let go of different angles "Disrespecting" The business. One imaginary hand grenade amongst a card of legit wrestling is not disrespecting the business. Corny is always screaming "Phony" Goddamn Jim, wrestlers stomp their feet when they throw a punch...its all PHONY man, its a facade, smoke and mirrors...FUCK.
@@GangstaSparkleFairy Savage Steamboat. My favorite match ever.
@@MGrant-bj1dc Amazing match. I love that one as well. I just hate it when people shit on all the new stuff going on and act like everything that happened in the 80s and 90s was golden. Its ridiculous
@@GangstaSparkleFairy Andre Hogan match was stupid ,no doubt.. but hand grenade thing is still stupid as fuck and moronic to core...not defending jc but hand grenade and dick spots are stupid as fuck and somebody supporting them are no more a bunch of idiots
That’s because it was shit. The only thing that’s memorable is hogan slamming Andre which he let happen, so that was completely fake.
And Hogans leg drop is the shittest finisher ever.
I could ask Dave a question, order Chinese food, go pick it up, come back and I'd still be waiting for him to get to the answer.
Don’t forget about actually eating the food, waiting for it to digest and shitting all the food out
If you order Japanese food you’ll get 5 stars
I think one problem is that young wrestlers don't see themselves as fighters, like the old school wrestlers did. They see themselves as entertainers.
Because Vince has engrained everyone of his people that they're entertainers ever since WWE had to change from WWF
Citizen K Very true. The wrestlers dont even take themselves serious, so they definitely dont care for the business. If this continues, wrestling will be dead and its really all the attitude eras fault. Like Meltzer said, this dumb shit has been going on for years. All of these guys doing dumb shit now, grew up on dumb attitude era shit. Which proves the point many, including myself, have argued for years. The attitude era was the worst era in wrestling history. Every pro wrestling company in the world suffered the consequences of Vince McMahon's, Eric Bishoff`s, Vince Russo`s and to some extent, Paul Heyman's narrow minded approach.
Which would be ok if they were entertaining, but....they're not.
you are right; and thats not wrestling
I agree. The audience is largely responsible for that. They treat the talents as entertainers more so than real athletes in competitive struggles. It's more about cheering for two people to execute their spots well rather than suspending disbelief and wanting to see someone win or lose. Nowadays, the "smart" fan cheers for the talents they find the most entertaining and not for the character who has the most integrity and honor.
Dave Meltzer: It's okay to jump off the cliff because everyone else is doing it.
It's over
Oh how meltzer views of joey ryan havent aged well.
But...but...but it worked for that audience!!! That means you can do whatever you want in wrestling, stuff that has NOTHING to do with wrestling, as long as it pops the crowd then = good for wrestling!
Dave is an idiot.
an hour long Cornette/Meltzer podcast at 1:30am my time. Guess I ain't sleeping tonight.
KingGhidorah5464 you got that shit right.
KingGhidorah5464 yeh i waited all week for this lol
be there when you wake up bro
no, its just that hes is such a mark the thought of dave Meltzer gives him so much excitement he cant contain himself.
KingGhidorah5464 more like an all Meltzer podcast
"Meltzer. What's he know...the little puke."
- Jesse Ventura
Meltzer, quit interrupting Jim.
Jim, quit interrupting Meltzer.
Good grief, I can't believe how composed JC remained throughout this. I've been a fan of the Observer forever, but man, Dave, take a breath. Let others speak. Learn to spot social/conversational cues. Stop interrupting. Keep up the good work, though.
Jim Cornette is like the king of not spotting social/conversational cues lol. Good luck talking if you don't talk over him...😅
a trick : watch movies at Flixzone. Been using them for watching a lot of movies during the lockdown.
@Arian Genesis yea, been using flixzone} for since december myself :D
Yeah that pissed me off toi.
I've ways felt Meltzer may have aspergers
Does Dave have any credibility after defending the "thumb in the ass spot?"
I can barely listen to Meltzer dominating this conversation. I tap 15 minutes in. No hour Broadway for me
I don't want to listen to any Meltzer.
You have to do it in snippets
How did meltzer become the be all and end all of wrestling opinion? Cornette is the real expert
I like Dave but his opinion is given way too much weight
I never gave a shit about Meltzer or critics of ANY entertainment genres that I watch or listen to.
you understand he's been doing this longer than cornette right
Everytime i have a ear clog i listen to Jim. It just CLEARS !
It's wild to see their friendship devolve over the past 3 years, and it hurt both of them. I hope they can have a moment of clarity and kill the beef. The IWC will be better for it
And talk about the one true thing both men despise, that being the one known as Shit Stain
I don't see either guy relenting tbh I don't always agree with Jim but I share his frustrations with a lot of modern wrestling
It hurt Dave more than Jim🤣 you obviously don't know cornette if you're thinking they will ever kill the beef
It sure as hell didn't hurt Jim, you must not know him very well lol
@@chrisingram8233 ah yes, you interpret a moment of compassion as a moment to pick sides.. politicians love you I'm sure😂😂😂
Jim, please don't ever have him on your show again.
The problem with today's wrestling for me personally is that I find intelligent people like Meltzer and Cornette talking about wrestling more interesting than anything that goes on in the ring (even really good, athletic, serious wrestling). And it's no knock on today's wrestlers. There's just been too much free wrestling on TV and internet that it's lost its luster. I'll always follow pro wrestling as a fan but the days of me watching weekly pro wrestling are long gone. So basically if I had to pick one thing that has killed pro wrestling- just for me personally- it's this wonderful thing called the internet.
WWEkids blows.
Hear hear. I was a rabid fan when I was a kid (90’s) and then I jumped ship to MMA and never looked back. I did always wonder wtf happened to wrestling and now I’m having a blast finding out
Good God, we need a competent moderator here!
I think he said like 10 words in the whole thing
Please don't have him back on.
Yeah Brian needed to step up
Listening to Meltzer defend Joey Ryan was cringe in real time, too. Not just in hindsight smh
42:27 : Cornette makes a superhuman effort to cut off Meltzer's rambling, BUT... Better men have tried... And all have failed. :D
When he starts, he is like a runaway freight train. He cannot be stopped. haha
Lol hilarious...
There is no stopping Dave 😂😂
Meltzer reminds me of stuttering Jimmy from South Park
Drinking game with Meltzer's "ya know"s = alcohol poisoning in 30 seconds.
Brice Kennedy ya know
He tends to talk, talk, and talk, but never really get to his point. I know he has a ton of knowledge, but he never seems to make any valid conclusions to what he says.
That is the most accuarate observation made about Meltzer I have ever read. He just stammers and "ya know's" and then wants to talk over Cornette, which is like trying to yell instructions to a person standing in the middle of a constuction site.... and he repeats himself making him sound dumber. Screw Meltzer. I have no respect for him and his convaluted opinions.
Similar to Russo saying Bro.
It's like shitstain using bro.
"But the crowd went crazy for it"
Dave is totally missing the point here. You are sacrificing the integrity of the business to get a pop from a few people.
Exactly! "But the crowd loved it" yeah, the morons who find that entertaining enough to pay for found it amazing. But it's that trash that keeps the majority of us from watching or going to shows anymore.
@@folkblues4u The business lost all integrity years ago (hell more like decades ago at this point). This is the real divide between Jim and the modern product. Jim holds out an eternal hope that the business that he loves and grew up in can go back to having a level of integrity. Dave understands that the this is sports entertainment and not wrestling anymore. When the business was built on kayfabe and that cat was out of the bag wrestling was dead. I love Jim's talking about actual wrestling back in the old days but having him comment on modern product is the equal of someone saying the earth is the center of the solar system itjust doesnt work anymore
The point of the business has and always will be to make the crowd pop.
@@brianhalligan9268 so you telling me kayfabe was dead in the 70s and 80s?
You do realize that the first account of the business being exposed was in the early 1910s. You can find many news articles about it.
@@travelreview5962 but not at the expense of ruining the business
Wow 200 people in a rex center started laughing at grown men making fouls of themselves. How about the thousands that used to attend wrestling shows and watch a fight between a guy they love and a guy they love to hate???
Kevin Jackson Rex.
Recreation, recs, rex
200 people is a good crowd for a Indy show and Joey Ryan headlines alot of those shows.
I don’t care about them. I care about the stuff I like. Personally I like the strong-style and character driven wrestling of modern NJPW, but I don’t want it to look or feel like a shoot for the same reason I don’t want my marvel movies to be just what the actors can do on set: entertainment.
@@keenanmccarty9925 don't reproduce, ever.
I like how composed Jim is. If I was in his position with meltzer interrupting me and never letting me get words out I'd of cussed him out
Jim is always composed when someone else is making logical points.
Garrett Jeffers you really think meltzer’s ramblings were logical? You gotta be a huge mark to believe that
@@calebdansby1561 so when Meltzer said "today it's all WWE, Impact has TV, New Japan has TV, but the WWE is so much more widely viewed on various platforms that it isn't comparable" you don't think that's logical? Makes good sense to me man. I made that comment a while ago so I didn't remember specifically what Meltzer said but I listened to a random 10 second clip of it in order to respond to you and that's exactly what he said. Just call me a mark again if it makes you feel better lol... but my point stands.
The way WWE has devalued their belts is my main problem with them. Particularly the Intercontinental Championship.
Michael Crosby for me the worst is the Universal, so much for the 30-day rule
lol WWE hasn't been watchable in years. Is the IC belt even a thing?
That's not a real rule.
It went from pat patterson and bret hart to..... the miz and zack ryder..... sad😥
thought meltzer was kinda winning the debate until corny said: "i bet if i dropped my pants and took a shit in the ring, it would get a pop". hahahaha. he's completely right
It's not much of a debate when one person monopolizes the discussion and won't STFU for a minute.
The Dude exactly
Dave "Power Talker" Meltzer needs to shut up for a minute and let the Jim talk, Corny was polite through the whole thing and listening to him, everything he would try to share his view point all I hear is "BUT BUT BUT BUT"
Well no because Cornette and Meltzer completely agree that a more serious product would be better, difference is Meltzer recognises there is goofy stuff happening doesn't like but understands it and Jim hates it all because of one thing that takes up so little time and throws the whole thing away while defending his own goofiness from back in the day
This is a must listen to. This is the dividing line.
If Meltzer ever interviewed undertaker it would be...ya know
I like listening to Dave Meltzer but HOLY SHIT does he interrupt a lot. Jim could barely get a sentence in before Dave started talking over him.
You like to listen to this moron? He does nothing but lie. He is convinced that today's wrestling is better then the 90's attitude era or the 80s or 70s? Give me a break. That is why even before Covid 19 hit that the crowd levels are a tenth of what it was in the Attitude era.
@@noahsmith9325 I did a year ago until he started being a total shill for AEW. Now I can’t take anything Dave says seriously
Went to my dad's for Father's day and asked him if he still had that old wrestling DVD I got him years ago. Sure enough, it was The Wrestling Gold series with Meltzer and Cornette on secondary audio commentary. It's a good watch all 5 dvds if you get the time.
I do like both Jim and Dave. But generally speaking, when Dave says something in wrestling is "really weird...", generally it means it's outlaw mud show stupid stuff.
Short version of my history as a fan: 1988 first year watching, mostly WWF fan, watched ECW tv when it was on TNN, and usually just caught the first hour of Nitro. Huge fan of the Attitude era, eventually got into buying tapes from Japan, and watched hundreds of hours of NJPW, AJPW, AJW, Mpro, and so on. I have watched a fuck ton of wrestling. I got kind of burned out in the early 2000s when WCW was sold, and WWF/E stopped trying hard. Japan was also going through a bad stretch as well, outside of some fantastic NOAH matches.
A couple of years ago I subscribed to WWE Network so I could watch all 'the glory days' and watched a bunch of NWA/WCW, and rewatched all the most classic WWF stuff, mostly from the 90s. I was convinced that the 90s were the greatest of all time, especially if you counted the great matches in Japan at that time.
At the same time I listened to a lot of Cornette bashing current wrestling, and that further convinced me that great wrestling died like 15 years ago so why bother, right? Fast forward to November of last year and I watch an old podcast with Steve Austin talking to Melzter about Omega vs Okada at Wrestlekingdom 11. I had some extended time off so I made an effort to see that match. About an hour later after seeing the match I was in a state of shock and awe, so I immediately started googling for more and realized that they had three more matches. Shortly after I subbed to NJPW World and have since watched hundreds of hours of content.
I also watch NXT which blows me away seemingly more so with every new Takeover show. Today I feel like I am as in love with Wrestling as I was 17 years ago, and that gap of not watching was a huge mistake, and for people like Cornette convincing me to stay away from modern wrestling was fucking retarded since it cost me so many potential memories of seeing great shows, as they happened, rather than now having to go scour the archives like I am. If anything, I am seeing some of the greatest matches ever, right now, from the last four years or so.
Go find a full match of Omega against Ishii and tell me it's phony b.s.
I don’t think Dave finished a sentence once in this entire conversation. Even when he said “thank you” 😂
28:42 *cough* Brown Strowman and 12 YEAR OLD BOY VS Cesaro and Sheamus for the TAG TEAM TITLE @ Wrestlemania
Curious as to how Cornette feels about the People's Elbow and moves of that ilk given the whole Joey Ryan thing.
The legend in his own mind. Meltzer.
Poor Jim. He just wants pro wrestling to be pro wrestling again. It must suck to have the one thing you loved and gave your life too turned into a joke.
TheBC313 UFC is where most watch for serious fights and matches these days, if WWE tried not to be silly and over the top today their ratings would be tanking even more
Gonzo Lewd not nessicarily. Consider ROH or NJPW, who both still present wrestling as a serious sport and who's ratings are climbing in spite of their less than stellar TV deals. NJPW is about to hit the states for a G-1 pre-show, and according to stubhub the tickets are going for anywhere from $100-$200 at a 13,500 capacity arena.
No, they wouldn't. Y'know why i know that? Because Brock Lesnar is still the biggest star. Because Samoa Joe got over big. Because Braun got over big. BECAUSE NXT IS FUCKING OVER BIG (talk to me, and tell me to my face that the Samoa Joe v Nakamura feud wasn't taken seriously or presented in a more realistic style). When you're given a window to suspend disbelief, you're automatically going to be more engrossed in the experience. When you can turn off your brain and say "2 amazing ass wrestlers are going at each other to see who's the better man", in my opinion, it is a better and more popular product. When you go too hokey, you see a dip, because your brain notices when something is phony. When a promo is scripted, when a match is badly telegraphed or badly put together.
Is wrestling "fake", "scripted"? Yeah, fucking damn right it is, but i believe that wrestling is better off making you believe it's real.
sad but true!!!
Braun is the best example. He doesn't make stupid jokes he just tells people he's going to kill them dead. Then guess what? He kills them dead and it's fucking great. Bayley is the best example of someone being absolutely killed by bad scripts and shitty comedy and bad booking. Who would cheer for someone who actually said she doesn't want to hurt people in wrestling? Does her character think her moves don't hurt?
"But the crowd loved it".
Yeah, the dopes who showed up to see that ridiculous crap loved it.
But you're alienating EVERYONE ELSE who doesn't want that shit.
I'm with Jim. That stuff is the reason I'm staying away from modern Wrestling as good as I can. I'm looking for specific stuff I like and watch this. If I would be a promoter I would hire guys like Joey Ryan, though. To feed him to my Versions of Ron Simmons and Bradshaw however.
damn it's hard to understand Dave
So...by Dave's logic today, he'd be giving 5-6 & dare I say 7🌟 for Ultimate Warrior vs Hogan at WM VI. Warrior was terrible, but at least he treated the biz somewhat seriously & never activated an invisible hand grenade or fought a sex doll.
I have seen a match with a dance number, the crowd where not with the guys then they did the dance off and the crowd where right behind them and hated the heals for breaking the dance off up.
Like it or not, a large part of the problem today is the audience themselves.
I have a a lot of respect for Dave, but he couldn't give a straight answer the whole time.
A "loaded question" is when you are trying to bait someone usually into a yes or no answer in an unfair way. For example:
Jim: 'even if it gets over for one guy, should he be allowed to do it if it hurts the promotion'?
Dave could answer yes or no, but instead
Dave: 'I'm not sure it did hurt their promotion. They seem to be doing fine.'
Guess he didn't give a "straight answer" lol
Because he is crazy and stupid. Anyone who respects this piece of shit I don't understand. This guy is defending what is killing wrestling.
Hearing this for the first time now at the end of 2023 makes this especially interesting
This did not age well
I want to really see Jim take a poo in the middle if the ring now😂😂
the fact of the matter is that NJPW is by far the best promotion on the planet these days and Kenny Omega is one of, if not the best, wrestler today. the young bucks are the greatest tag team possibly EVER....FACT!!!
lol. not really. omega and the young cocks would have been nothing more then jobbers during the 80s or 90s.
45:00-47:15 Jim got him around here
Dave Meltzer doesn't get it. Just because the crowd goes wild doesn't make it good.
It’s funny to listen to Dave discuss Lucha Underground limiting their upside based on their booking and how their show plays out back whenever this discussion took place which was clearly before AEW became a thing. Ironically the same thing he cites to limiting what LU could be is what has occurred with AEW since its inception. When AEW was first announced it had so much goodwill and optimism from a lot of lapsed wrestling fans like myself who had become disillusioned with WWE and wanted to see a true big brand alternative enter the market. And seeing an AEW who had the financial backing to do that, a prime time show, and presented themselves to be a realistic and sports centric show it seemed like the alternative had finally arrived.
Unfortunately the company immediately focused on the niche audience and hasn’t looked back from that ever since. And it has set a ceiling for what it can ever become because it is so geared to the niche audience that it doesn’t appeal to a non-committed wrestling fan. It’s been disappointing because at first I genuinely thought their show would be a mix of style and that they would have some of the traditional style and some of the newer style and offer something for everybody - especially seeing how many experienced minds they brought onto their staff. Unfortunately it has been entirely that new style and the irony is that if you showed Dave what he said about LU back then and asked him how AEW was doing something similar that limits their potential he’d never be able to acknowledge that being the case.
It's crazy I found this because with the whole QTV I was like they completely stole this from LU
Jim Cornette did have a dig at Lance Storm and Jericho because in Smoky Mountain they weren't "servicing the rats"
Dave Meltzer: "Hey... if it pops all 60 sexually arrested troglodytes in the audience, its all good!"
Ultimate Wrestling Dance off....
"The Wild Eyed Italian Boy"
Tracy Smothers vs. Alex Wright vs. Rikishi vs. Dusty Rhodes vs. Scottie Too Hotty vs. Disco Inferno
Mick Paul And Tokyo Magnum
basicly jim and dave saying same thing for hour and 7 min
as a person inside the industry and a student of the game, in my opinion, I could listen to these two all day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!don't like it don't listen
Dave needs to understand that a crowd reaction isnt always a good thing. A crowd would react to two dogs having sex in the ring as well. The point is, keep it wrestling or else wrestling will die. Dancing in the ring and slow motion can become the norm if we dont shut it down eventually.
a crowd reaction is always a good thing. if there is no reaction you have less interest and that leads to less money.
Dave No, its not always a good thing. If two women came to the ring, and stripped naked, made out and had sex on raw for 3 hours, would that be good for the business? Theres a difference between mindless entertainment and keeping the train rolling. Doing dumb shit for the sake of a crowd reaction is very narrow minded. The issue is that everyone now has tunnel vision. Lets get this quick money instead of keep the money rolling forever.
AirStampede if you want just matches, watch UFC. that's how everything goes nowadays
Gonzo Lewd When did I say that all I want is wrestling? Just because I dont like stupid shit doesnt mean all I want is matches and thats it. NJPW isnt just matches, and theyre great...
AirStampede Couldn't agree more, wrestling is down and on the verge of being out
If there is no problem with the Invisable Hand Grenade, let's have The Undertaker do it in his next match and see how it plays out.
Yeah, undertaker would never do anything dumb like come back from the dead or anything.
Meltzer's argument that since it keeps getting the "pops" then it works is so flawed. The tv show Jackass got a lot of views but it was still low brow garbage. Better comedy shows got nowhere near the views of Jackass, but according to Meltzer Jackass was doing it right.
Did he really say they don't want it to go viral. No.... advertising our product to a mass audience for free would be horrible... lol
Glad I'm not the only one who spoke up about Meltzer....thinks he's with Alvarez complaining about everything....and he just talks and talks and talks ...over people on the guys own show to boot. Makes me so angry... beyond annoying. 40 mins of rambling and talking over Corny....we love you Corny
PAPWtv and CenterRing316, thank you
I wonder if the Harlem Globetrotters should be blackballed from basketball for turning the sport into a comedy show.
Talent simply need a degree of autonomy with regards to promos and character evolution. Some current 2nd and 3rd tier talent would elevate themselves through their natural god given ability to connect with the masses if allowed, creative would then have a lot more time to work with talent who struggle to form a connection on the stick.
God Dammit dave let the man Talk!
Why won't Dave shut up long enough to allow the host to speak?
Dave Meltzer is too much of a modern day wrestling apologist. Jim Cornette has LIVED through when wrestling was at its peak. He LIVED through the days when territories sold out. He LIVED through when Pro Wrestling was in the newspaper. Cornette knows wrestling. Today's wrestling is too hokey, corny and watered down. If a wrestling promotion(s) could present wrestling like it was in the 90's and early 2000's, guys had better character development, guys could cut believable promos and put on good wrestling matches without corny spots and really tell the story with their bodies, that would draw people. Hell, watch those promotions. I feel for Jim because he's so passionate about the business. Silly stuff is not going to draw and keep people long term; it's just something for a quick laugh and you turn it off.
El Hajj Malik El But a silly little spot in the midcard isn't going to turn fans away. Heck, WWE silliness was at its peak from 1997-2005, and that's as well as they've ever drawn.
Eh Meltzer lived through all that as well.
Dave's justifications are super weak, everything is okay with him because other people think it's okay? Truly a man of stellar ideals.
He just interrupts or responds with nonsequitors or circular reasoning or what-aboutisms and unrelated meandering nonsense. He doesn't refute a single thing or make any relevant point. Ugh. Why am I listening to this?
His only point is subservience to trends and childish whims.
Unless wwe does it
"it's tradition in PWG in the 10-man tag to do a slow motion spot and a thumb in the ass spot..."
"It's WWE's fault people aren't taking wrestling seriously"
Dave Meltzer logic..
The first is seen by a small number of people. Totally the same thing, obviously, since a promotion that the mainstream doesn't even know exists in the first place is responsible for wrestling not being taken seriously.
I did not realize that Dave Meltzer is older than Jim Cornette.
People listen to Dave talk like this weekly on his show?
I disagree heavily with mister meltzer here. Theres no comparing the whole idea of undertaker coming back to life to the jackoffs doing dickflips and air grenades. Undertakers resurections were played as serious and something within the character’s persona. It was part of the narrative that the matches supported. This air grenade and dick spot type is just doing silly shit for the sake of it for a cheap pop.
It's very simple pro wrestling was betting when the marks weren't in the ring
Meltzer is the only guy that can make me like Olie Anderson for ripping on them.
Then you're an idiot.
No, he's the smart one.
that was awesome. ole is awesome and meltzer is a geek
I can't find the joey Ryan spot that they are talking about anywhere
It's true that I don't watch contemporary pro wrestling/sports entertainment. I get my fix by these kinds of discussions and specials/interviews by past superstars and about past pro wrestling shows. I did come back to current wrestling briefly around the time of CM Punk. He was interesting, but the PG WWE is mostly boring and their story lines are old hat.
Though I started watching at the dawn of Hulkamania, my favorite era was the Monday Night Wars.
I will never be able to agree with Cornette exposing the business on podcast but complaining about people doing it in the ring.
You'll never agree to being straight
not even close to being the same thing. doing dick spots are stupid and silly. talking about booking etc. is not stupid or silly.
@@jb0609 Agreed. Taking a shit in the middle of the ring is very disrespectful.
The people listening to Cornette's podcast are already in the know
Dave Meltzer: complains about verbiage in scripted promos
also Dave Meltzer: organically uses “heavens to Betsy” in the same conversation
Meltzer can barley string a sentence together.
He’s a great writer though.
Where it all began folks
Meltzer Magoo
Interesting hearing Meltzer try to explain "meetches" to Corny.
lets let corny run a promotion and lets let dave run a promotion at the same time honestly and lets see who draws better.
58:04 to 103:52 = Dave double talk
WOW Mr AEW is complaining about WWE Interviews?
why doesnt the wwe have an improv coach or two. problem solved. roman is fine at talking. how many of the writers can relate to roman enough to write him correctly? how many former college athletes in the writing room?
Who?
the problem with that type wrestling is it probly will not last.people will get bored.
I love Jim Cornette, but he has to remember that wrestling has done a lot of crazy stuff over the years. They should have a genre of wrestling called Fantasy Wrestling, or Comedy wrestling. After all, I still remember the Undertaker and Kane calling down lightning bolts, Sting coming to the ring with RoboCop, Mae Young giving birth to a hand and Vince McMahon being blown up in his car, Papa Shango cursing the Ultimate Warrior, and the entire Promotion of GLOW, where one woman used to hypnotize the other ladies. I have watched wrestling for the last 45 years. I hate the brand split more than the Undertaker coming back from the dead.
Jim should have just let Meltzer make an idiot of himself defending the fake, flippy indy garbage.
The numbers don't lie. As Cornette has said many, many times fewer people than ever before are watching wrestling. Fact.
So Meltzer can defend it all day long if he wants but the numbers don't lie, there is a direct correlation between the business moving away from kayfabe and presenting itself as a legit sport with real heels and faces to the fake, phoney, meaningless gymnastics performed by random geeks off the street who have never been in a real fight.
Meltzer lives in a massive bubble, he's almost delusional at this point
Cole S, very. He doesn't know wrestling and talks too damn much!
Cole S same with Jim
Example? Proof? Evidence? Typical anti-Meltzer babbling nonsense.
Like Jim saids "weed is legal in California"
It's the opposite. Dave watches pretty much everything, every year, since the mid 80s. It's Jim that hardly can be bothered to watch the very thing he's criticizing.