Another fine Bible lesson Brandon. It very succinctly demonstrated the absurd apologists that excuse all the atrocities of the OT, by simply introducing the New Covenant.
Man, you can really tell this god wants to have a relationship with us. The cursing, the killing, the lack of access, the hardening of hearts, the blackmail, and the hiding is just him playing hard to get.
Right?? It's soooo obvious! I'm definitely feeling the love, not the loathing when he "repented" making man and brought the tsunami down on them!! ❤️❤️
Yes this god is different from Jesus. I don’t imagine Jesus killing women and children back then no matter the race. I guess those children went to heaven even if they were enemies of god. This god can’t be one with Jesus. Mark 10:13-16 People were bringing little children to Jesus for him to place his hands on them, but the disciples rebuked them. When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.” And he took the children in his arms, placed his hands on them and blessed them.
@@esdrasferreras1227 You do know that every person that dies of old age is killed by God right? So the whole dying thing ain't exactly a big deal for God. Also what is innocent in your eyes?
@CatDaddyGuitar “Unconditional but Only if You Do It Right Love” would have been the perfect B-side to “Reckless Love” by Cory Asbury. Missed opportunity. I’m going to dust off my guitar and write it now. I think I’m still newly devonverted enough that I can compose a believable enough CCM song and sell it to Christian radio for a paycheck.
Same, but I still gotta go to church on Sunday till I become independent... The economy will turn me Christian again one day cuz I swear the pastor got rizz 😂
I presented a thought experiment on Facebook yesterday which was something like this: If you’re a Christian, and you get to the afterlife only to find Allah waiting for you, who then says “I gave you plenty of chances to choose correctly, after all Islam is a huge religion that you knew about and rejected, therefore it’s justified that you spend eternity in hell” would you be okay with that? Or would you say “but I worshipped Jesus because it’s what I knew, it felt real, it’s how I was raised”, etc. I ask because that’s what Christians expect to happen to everyone who isn’t saved regarding the religion or lack thereof that they were raised with and they treat it as if it should just make sense from a justice standpoint. I’ve gotten some different responses but none of them really wanted to put themselves in the shoes of someone who is an unbeliever or of a different religion, and some just wanted to say it was moot because Christianity is true. So I clarified that you have to really place yourself in the shoes of someone emotionally, spiritually and intellectually attached to their belief system like Christians are while also understanding that the Christian God knows what it would take for each person to abandon their belief and start believing in Jesus. Knowing this, He obviously withholds that for the majority of people while allowing for the required situations (born into the right family, country, meet the right person that convinces you to believe in Jesus, etc) to play out for a number of people to choose Christianity. So to me, it doesn’t seem like true justice in the end when people of other religions face this God. And now I wait to see what responses I get, if any. 🤷♀️ Sorry that was so long. Had to be to make the point 😂
I've never understood how they think Pascal's wager is good. Everytime christians tell me that "i'm going to regret it when I stand in front of god", I'm like "regret what?"
don't bother trying to get Christians to understand, they're afraid of even that because thinking in any way other than how they're told to is seen as prideful and sinful
@@sammur1977 But if god is the one who decided that the punishment for sin is death and god is the one offering a way to avoid the punishment Thanking God for not being punished is the equivalent of thanking an abusive spouse for NOT beating you up
There are universalist denominations that believe that everyone, regardless of circumstances, will have the chance for salvation, even if not in their lifetime. The LDS Church is one example.
As a black woman, the significance of this black preacher (and I recognize that it could be ANY Evangelical/Fundamentalist preacher giving this sermon) speaking so ardently about people being in the back is not lost upon me It’s as if he’s recapitulating the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960’s - and paradoxically, this man is against women and LGBTQIX people exercising their full personhood
I use to be a Jewish woman (convert) and at one synagogue, the women actually had to sit behind a tall wall. Not even just in the seats in the back. We could listen but not see or be seen. I was sitting there wondering why I didn’t just stay home. I’m glad I don’t go to synagogue anymore. Not comparing this to anything that Black people went through. Just sharing a personal experience. The crazy stuff we put up with in the “name of God.”
@@madmonk0 In fact, I would. Being sooo clever, he should anticipate and accept some responsibility. We all are responsible for what we give birth to. As for the God - if you do not confuse a Jahweh of Jews with the real God of us all, everything is much clearer.
My thoughts exactly! Never thought about sin being one and done but Jesus dying on the cross is not considered one and done. Crazy what you don't see when you're in the thick of it.
I remember being in catechism as a child learning about jesus and how he saved us. And even as a child, I swear, I remember always thinking "but, saving us from what, from who?" It just never made sense to me. But I was too afraid to ask and look like I was doubting or questioning god, so I just rolled with it. How sad.
God is definitely the kinda guy that would want to be a hero by saving a damsel tied on a train track from an oncoming train, the catch here is that he's the one driving the train and he's also the one who tied her up.
Praising God for "saving" you is the equivalent of praising an abusive spouse for NOT beating you up. Gee thanks God for not punishing me like you said i deserved, what a great guy for sparing me your punishment 😉👍
it is worse. An abusive person has no magical power to change, to get better. The g0d, whatever the g0d is, has to power to become totally perfectly nice. The g0d CHOOSES not to. (IF we entertain this g0d myth, that is.)
@@jcr65566 religi0ns make afterlife claims. Again, AFTERLife claims. A NEAR death experience is not relevant here. Even if I accept your claim, we know that you were NEAR death. You were not dead. And mankind still don't know what the g0d even is. Which makes your NEAR death experience so vague, it cannot be investigated with any scientific method. as if you told us that you had a nde with a mukk'tah'tii. Really, feel free to use any random word to replace the g0d. Then you might see how meaningless it all is.
@@jcr65566 I’m not discounting your experience, but what do you think about all the other people who have had their own near death experiences and saw their own versions of heaven with their own gods?
Main character syndrome. When I finally started questioning my bible, I started seeing things past myself. I remember eventually sympathizing with the pharisees in the new testiment.... they were literally following the rules/laws they were told GOD HIMSELF decreed. I've been able to take so many steps backwards now... seeing the full picture and the point of view of the various people groups in biblical times... all of which are supposed to be God's children. The Christian God is a very disturbing & abusive father.
@@justice8718 So do other Gods exist? Because I was under the impression Yahweh was supposed to be the only God, which is why it’s confusing to me that he’s so concerned about people worshipping the other ones.
Well done Brandon. At least in the Old Testament, Job, who was a gentile, had the opportunity to please God with his faithfulness by following the law that was written in his heart. After Jesus making a way, no one goes to the Father but by him, and the gate is narrow with only the Elect being saved. To make things more restrictive, many will come to Jesus and say Lord, Lord, and the door would still be shut in their faces. How is this Good News?
Given Judgment Day, I can not stand with YHWH fully. Much lesser for the religions who dare to commit evil under his name as a form of "divine righteousness". I see antiquity in Christianity. It is a failed teaching despite some good in it. Of YHWH they pray to... ... ... Only for all Gods to be judged by me. (Well... Mankind is rather interesting to codify.)
Its good news because now its actually much simpler. All you have to do is let go of your pride. That is it. Then you had to do that and a lot of other things but you weren't exactly screwed if you messed up with that. Just stuck for a while. Now you try to follow Jesus and you just skip the waiting period.
@@JamesRichardWiley Want to hear something really interesting about that? There is one "God" currently worshipped in Mexico and probably other places who is exactly that. If you think actual God is bloodthirsty you don't know what blood thirsty is.
I'm really happy that more people are starting to understand the "problem of instruction", historically this hasn't been the major talking point in atheism that it should be. One of my first memories of religious cognitive dissonance was being 12 and playing Dynasty Warriors and researching the characters and time period it was based on on the Internet and thinking to myself "where was God while all this was going on? Did he just not care about an entire continent of humans he created?" To this day, my biggest issue with Abrahamic ideology is it's historical geographical constraints and very slow spread via purely human means such as preaching, printing presses, and sea-faring ships. This isn't compatible with an omnipotent god who wants the whole planet to recognize and worship him.
Spot on video! 💯 Honestly, someone has to go thru rigorous mental gymnastics in order to solidly believe in religion! And, then when you start not believing in it, you begin to see the cracks in it and you see the flaws and the nonsense of it all. And then you can't unsee it!
Great video Brandon. You made so many good points, as usual. I’m surprised what congregants will allow pastors to get away with saying. I wonder how often, if ever, they get questioned about what they say. If anyone tried to run a business, the way God runs the world and ended up with this kind of outcome, they would be fired immediately
Thank you so much for your videos. For so long I thought I was the only Christian, then ex christian, who felt this way. You and so many here are saying the exact words I have said and thought. I didn't know there were so many of us. Thank you.
Great video Brandon! The fact that you touched upon the idea that Christianity is two religions meshed together and that a lot of inconsistences, logical fallacies and assumptions have to be made in order for it to work is something that I feel very strongly. When I got deeper into Christian study, I realized that very early on. It hurt a lot to know the truth, but it hurt even more to have people blantantly and flagrantly disregard it!
I discovered your UA-cam videos few months ago and I find them so deep and interesting. I test my english listening your deep analysis and they are super. I live in Italy where Roman Church had and still have a big influence on people. I wish you could even speak in Italian, your job Is a public service
"I will not entertain the idea of any religion founded on human sacrifice". Conquistador Francisco Pizzaro, upon learning of the child sacrifices made atop the Incan Temples. He was a Devout Christian, bathed in the blood of Christ. Oh, the irony.
The sacrifice was not just any human, because the sacrifice of any human would not have been sufficient to cover the sins of the World. God did not sacrifice a human, God sacrificed Himself. He did not make anyone else step up, God Himself was the sacrifice. This is what you do not understand. That was no ordinary human, that was God incardinate.
@@darinbracy8433 So god sacrificed himself to himself? How about just forgive people? If mere mortals can forgive others without a blood sacrifice, so can god.
@@darinbracy8433according to the Bible he also made up the rules that dictated death was the punishment for “sin”. He also decided exactly what is and isn’t considered sin. He then created people with innate desires for many of those so called “sins”. So he rigged the game from the start, then demanded worship from all people for making a “fix” for the broken system he had set up himself. By the way, a human sacrificing themselves carries real weight because we only have one life. According to the Bible Jesus’ sacrifice only lasted a few days and now he’s alive and well, so the only thing he sacrificed was a weekend.
Jesus: “Great news everyone! I sacrificed myself for all of you to create a loophole in the rules I made up so now you don’t have to go the eternal torture chamber I created for you. Isn’t that great? All you have to do is grovel and worship me forever for the selfless act of choosing not to torture everyone for being exactly the way I created them.”
Isa. 45:7 - God creates evil. Doesn't that make him responsible for anything evil that happens here? And then he blames it on a person that he made that way. Is this some kind of a game?
@@MadeiraFonseca logically if Yahweh created everything he created evil. If he's sovereign over all, everything happens because he either causes or allows it. Isaiah is at least being consistent with his conception of Yahweh here. Which is far more then most apologists I've listened to. He flat out says that the destruction of Israel by Assyria was the will of Yahweh to punish them for their sins.
"abusive"💯 No coincidence people these days tend to covet toxic relationships: "oh he smites me because he loves me & is the jealous type." "Well...I deserve it. I'm such a lowley failure deserving of nothing but harassment & bullying, and all manner of subjugation. Never allowed to question anything, Never worthy of an explanation, "Grovel if you really love me." Etc. etc. etc.
Be it lover, parent, neighbor, king, or even different God, put the actions of the Christian God on any other being and it instantly becomes clear how horrible those actions truly are. It only goes unseen because the idea of God getting a free moral pass for every action is reinforced in every conceivable manner, from every angle, on a daily basis. Praised when things go right, forgotten when things go wrong. Taught to go out of your way to hunt for a place to put the blame. Anywhere in the world except onto God or onto the preachers who keep pushing this message. Funny that they get a pass, too....must not mean anything important.
@@riluna3695 and the members and victims of these cults, I'd wager are unknowingly idolizing these tyrannical characteristics and manifesting them under the guise of love, because that's the only example of "love" they been allowed to know.
I'd argue that abusive relationships (to some degree or other) are all they know, in part _because of_ the religious "environment" they live in. Abuse victims tend to suffer a lot of different issues, including mistrust of anything "too good" since abusers all too often use even initially good stuff (for example, an abuser gives a compliment, only to scald the victim for putting themselves "above" the abuser by accepting it; or an abuser doing something nice for the victim, only to turn _that_ around into something like "you make it all about yourself, now it's my turn" etc.) So even when given an opportunity of an actually good relationship, their previous abuse experience will have poisoned that to the point where they'll see _anything_ nice as an attempt to make them vulnerable to open up a big can of abuse. Better go with "the abuse that I know and can avoid" rahter than the - in their experience - far too high chance of even worse abuse... So in essence - no, they're not "coveting toxic relationships", they're seeing toxic relationships as the "lesser of two evils".
Vengeance. Jalousy. Pride, Glory. Pain. Bliss. Happyness. Sacrifice. Punishment. Judgement. Forgiveness. All things attributed to God... Who was created in who's image again?
Brandon, I’m sorry I missed this when you released it. Once again you so succinctly drill right to the very “meat” of the issue and expound upon it so skillfully. Thank you for what you are doing!
If anyone has read C.S. Lewis' "The Lion, the witch, and the Wardrobe", supposedly mirroring the christian theology of substitutional attonement through blood magic. Lucy asks Aslan (God) why he has to die. His response is that "There is a deeper magic that must be appeased". Per Christian beliefs, when push comes to shove, God is either evil, or he is subject to rules beyond his control.
Christianity jumped the cosmic shark when it went from a tribal war god, whom could be claimed to be superior to those around, to an all-creator tri-omni god. That god holds the bag for everything. A tribal god could be a powerful being that fights to fix the shit (hence the appeal of Jesus) against an overwhelming evil force. But there is no villain as even the villain is subject to the creation of the tri-omni unless you allow sin to be some primordial, ur-cosmic force that God opposes but does not control or create.
OR God is good and mankind is evil. You have to assume you are good to claim God is evil. This is why Jesus rebuke the self righteous Pharisees the hardest.
@@smidlee7747 I only sometimes routinely kill all of the things I've created because they are mine to do with as I please, so that makes me less evil than God. (I'm a writer and sometimes fictional characters gotta go.) So, I am 'evil' by that definition. And if I am evil by that criteria, so is your God.
Thanks, Brandon, each time video presents to me time and time again how nonsensical Christianity is. Someone asked me what it would take to bring me back to church, and I told him to make it all make sense. He couldn’t. Keep it going, dude. These videos make my day.
You would think that the pile of excuses over excuses needed to reconcile this God's behaviour with his supposed loving character would eventually open believer's eyes. And fortunately it does from time to time.
Those analogies you say you know you do a lot, are awesome, and i do them too because they are a powerful often times, way of conveying a point. It's a brilliant way of putting things! 👍
"you who had to sit waaay back there..." ... are now important! You are powerful! You're special! Join me and give me your money and YOU will become important too!
I think my least favorite little saying that is said frequently from pulpits is "Grace is god giving us what we don't deserve, mercy is god not giving us what we do deserve" This sounds very deep to the believers ear but is actually a horrid concept.
This clip and Brandon's response reminds me of an analogy I've actually heard on this channel before "The Arsonist should not get credit for putting out their own fire " And that's exactly what this priest is doing giving the Arsonist the credit. Well done Brandon and enjoy your hiking trip!
Thank godjesus that godjesus did away with those terrible godjesus laws by sacrificing godjesus to godjesus to get those superior godjesus laws in effect. Amen.
I don't understand how people can mistake this overly dramatic act he's doing with having wisdom He doesn't sound wise....He sounds INSANE !!! 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
When I talked to my dad about the horrors in the bible he said: "all I care about is that god is gathering his own special chosen people and I get to be one of them. Other people have to worry about themselves".
You might touch on this later, I'm paused at 6:31, this is why I like the story of Yaldabaoth in the "Secret Book of John". He believes he's perfect and complete, and therefore creates the material universe ("matter"). He then creates man (Adam) and is instructed by agents of the Monad (the true GOD who cannot be named or described) to breathe into Adam's face. This costs Yaldabaoth his divine spark which now resides in Adam. In short (it's a long read) it was Jesus (the autogenes) who told Eve and Adam to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in an attempt to free them from Yalda's material prison. We (humans) are not meant to be physical (material) forms, but instead we have a spark of the divine. Jesus's life and ministry was an attempt to once again break us free from Yalda's reign of terror and tap into our inner Creator and the Love that embodies the spiritual universe.
This sounds like abusive narcissist behaviour to me. "I'm going to treat you horribly at first, but later I'm going to treat you well, and you better forget the bad stuff i did and sing my praises." You can't escape the fact that a relationship with Jesus Christ is a toxic and abusive one.
@@hainleysimpson1507 God is what makes being a narcissist wrong. If atheism is true there is nothing wrong with someone being a narcissist. A judge by the law can send someone to prison and lock them up. If an individual takes someone and lock them up it's called kidnapping. Some atheist on social media act like they know everything when they act as if they have no clue how the real world works. I do know atheists IRL but they are not this ignorant. We don't call a judge locking someone up for murder a kidnapper or holding a hostage. It's because he is in the place of an authority.
We need a video about what the bible says about the afterlife. Where does the dichotomous system of heaven vs hell come from? Especially when Jesus said the kingdom of god was a literal kingdom on earth
This is the first time one of your videos didn't show up in my feed. I got lucky to find it as it did randomly show up as a Next Video. Might just be some mishap on my phone , but throwing it out there in case you have less interaction on this one.
Former Mormon here, and I ALWAYS questioned the sacrifice of Jesus. Why werent Gentiles allowed before? What rules of the old testament are valid and which are not after Jesus? Why did so many people outside the desert not get visited by God before or after the death of Jesus? Does Jesus coming back still count as a sacrifice? I kept these questions to myself and deconverted mostly on my own in secret. So finding content like this, while I havong since deconverted, kinda helps fill the void of the communoty I used to have.
Which rules are valid? The ones the christians can weaponize against everyone they hate. Which rules did jesus remove? The ones the christians don't want to follow or are embarrassed to answer for.
Wow there's someone I haven't heard in quite a while, his beard's grown a lot since I saw him last, lol. You've got competition Brandon, better up your game! XD Jokes aside, it's kinda wild how long I saw this as such a beautiful story :'-)
As a virtually lifelong atheist and despiser of religion, particularly the Abrahamic religions, I find it sad and amazing people have and do waste their energies on this shit.
All my life I have always believed a good parent does not play favorites. Yet, believers call god “father” and he not only plays favorites but, even normalizes it! Not the characteristics of a good or loving parent! 🤦🏼♀️ Don’t even get me started on the lack of accessibility! What would happen if we parented like that? There would be an entire planet full of hurt and dysfunctional people! 🤬
Well roughly 1/3 of the population are Christians so that makes a lot of parents who are probably "following their lord" and parenting in similar ways. And as we can see, there's a lot of hurt and dysfunctional people.
Where are you going hiking? If you ever get the chance, go back packing at Big Bend National Park in West Texas.It's my favorite place on earth.You'll love it!!
This really just shows how little the Bible makes sense. God bars the people he suposivedly loves from him self, only let's a few near and to bring this gods words to them, then decides thousands of year later "you know what this isn't working, let's let them come to me, but they have to praise me inorder for me to help them. They have to be thankful I changed my mind." What? It leaves so many plot holes in the story, it might as well be Swiss cheese.
Did anyone ask for consent? Because to me however and whoever impregnated her raped her, I don't see any consent given. I've found that Christians really don't like it when you call their special friend a rapist. Try it 😂
we are ALL children of the g0d. No, we don't even know what the g0d is, but let me entertain this myth now. The "ALL" refers to Mary, too. So if djeezuss is the g0d, then he impregnated his mom AND his daughter. Oh, and his grand daughter. Because Mary's mother was also a child of the g0d, right? etc etc etc etc... - djeezus, on how many levels can you do incest? - Yes.
Why was ‘making a way’ ever necessary to begin with? ..how could we, mere mortals mess up the plans of God? So if God is the potter and we are the clay.. why would the clay be responsible for how they were created to be?
Genuine application of logic, as a formulaic science, to reading the bible, will not allow you to stay in the faith. It falls apart entirely. Especially in fullest context.
@@cyraxox7440 interestingly enough, the reverse is true politically/economically/medically. Apply the exact same principles of deduction and scrutiny to left wing politics, economics, world view, or pharma, and every bit of it unravels
Yep, we need God to save us from God. You need the Bible because of the threat introduced by the Bible. There’s nothing outside of the Bible that tells you you need the Bible. Believers are tricked into thinking that sin = doing something you feel bad about, I feel like if they could wrap their heads around that not being the case it would go a long way.
sin is like hummtok sin: a type of behaviour somehow NOT liked by the g0d. hummtok: a type of behaviour somehow NOT liked by the Great Shukktakk'tii. No. I cannot present a testable claim about the Great Shukktakk'tii. Nothing, 0.000, null. Just like the whole g0d topic. And it is nice to see that the g0d always plays a draw vs any RANDOM word. It shows how insane the entire g0d concept is.
God’s standards for anyone, as presented in the Bible, have never been consistent. My favorite example of this is the priestly qualifications found in Leviticus 21, 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1. Leviticus 21: Can’t be a dwarf or wear glasses; must have a smooth complexion; must have working balls 1 Timothy 3: Must be a married dude; can’t be a jerk; working balls optional Titus 1: Must be a married dude with Christian kids; training in apologetics or a related field required; working balls still optional; alcoholics need not apply
@MindShift-Brandon Just so we’re clear, though, I reserve the right to use Working Balls Optional as my band name when I write my new CCM song “Unconditional but Only if You Do It Right Love”, with Cat Daddy Guitar’s permission.
So wait, Titus 1 requires kids but they don't have to be his? But the whole "must be married" is funny when you look at the modern incarnations. Seems somebody grossly misunderstood the instructions there.
@Llortnerof My original comment was intended to be facetious, so I exaggerated certain details for humorous effect. To provide a serious answer to your inquiry, Titus does not require a church elder (or “bishop”) to have children. However, if he does have children, Titus 1:6 demands that his “children are believers, not accused of debauchery and not rebellious.” Meanwhile, there has been scholarly debate surrounding the instruction that an elder (or “bishop”/“deacon” cf. 1 Timothy 3:2, 12) be “married only once”. Some believe the above verses require marriage as a qualification for service, while others believe the above verses are better interpreted as a proscription of divorce and polygamy. With that said, there is ambiguity present in the text, obscuring the instructions contained therein. Conversely, even when the meaning of the text is limpid, the author’s instructions are frequently ignored by those occupying pastoral roles in churches today.
Realizing that the Bible protrays Yahweh as a god who consistently fucks up and then takes extreme measures to fix his own mistakes was a massive catalyst for my deconstruction. That apologetics have to try to explain why Yahweh isnt an incompetent sociopath is kind of a problem in itself.
You have to believe that a perfect, infallible God is fundamentally broken if His perfect, infallible plan can go so off-the-rails that He needs to step in and fix all the bigotry and injustice resulting from it. And now that God’s fixed it all… He STILL fails to achieve His desire for all to be saved and know the truth: And since Jesus loves everyone, every moment Jesus patiently waits to return correlates with way more people He loves experiencing eternal torture rather than being saved… in opposition to what He wants. I… don’t think I’d trust this judgement.
@@MindShift-Brandon It just occurred to me…. a big part of your appeal, to me, was your dedication to compassion for those stuck in Christianity, being made to feel shame and self-loathing for accepting that they are to blame for the irredeemable nature God created them with. It’s easy to criticize God relentlessly. That’s why I’m an atheist. You helped remind me why I advocate atheism… why I’m proud to call myself a human being despite sharing the same shortcomings as every other human being. Of course, that’s not your responsibility, but your expression of that element seems to have been missing lately. I’m hoping this comment returns the favor you’ve done for me, if your goals are what I interpreted them to be and haven’t shifted.
"Do not be afraid. I am peace. I am salvation." "Time has taught me patience! But asking in new freedom, I WILL KNOW ALL THAT I POSSESS!" --- flood Gravemind Sounds quite similar to the Abrahamic God.
It's on Yahweh, not us. This God could figure out other ways to come down and actually have a connection with us, but he needs to sacrifice 33 years of his eternal life just to show up, chat, do magic tricks, and then be "sacrificed". He chose to make a gap between himself and humanity, and expects humanity to build the bridge.
Not to mention, this god of supposedly all humanity decided to show up to one group of people, but the responsibility is on everyone else to still follow him.
@saoliath5000 Well, according to Christians, Jesus said himself: "blessed are those who have not seen and yet still believe". I haven't seen the real damn Santa Claus, but we have plenty of proof he doesn't exist. Same goes for this God.
Yeah he could click his immaterial fingers and forgive sin or whatever his issue is. But for some reason he needs that BLOOD from the kid born from the virgin he raped. I'm pretty sure there was no consent given. Rape victims baby blood is what's required apparently 🤔
I agree, not much to say. In any other context we would call someone creating a problem and then trying to sell you the solution a scammer worthy of scorn, not praise.
Short, sweet and on the money! The religious leaders keep morphing and revising their message, always looking for the way to get the most hits. In today's world they even get to watch each other preform and copy the technique and wording. I've watched it my whole life and researched how it went in the past. I am amazed angry that it worked on me, but it did. The BS takes years to un-think and even decades more once you finally disbelieve to get the nonsense just somewhat cleared out. Every religious person from every religion is in the same boat, following the indoctrination and never seeing it.
@@LogicStandsBeforeGod Have I read the Bhagavad Gita? Have I read the Book of Mormon? Have I read the Ramayana? Have I read the Book of the Dead? Have I read the Avesta? Each and every religious person says the same thing. My book is perfect. My book is right. My religion is true. My hero is real. You probably believe all the other religions are wrong because the followers were indoctrinated into falsehood, BUT, you will tell me that yours is correct. Think about that really hard for a few years.
I have to say, that minister is a very powerful speaker. I can understand why the congregation is swept up in this. He could read the ingredients to a can of mushroom soup and sound inspiring. That being said, is God a segregationist? Also, God is in complete control of the world and so set up this whole system to begin with. If someone repents of their sin, why can't God just forgive them. Why go through all the theatrics?
God could click his immaterial fingers and forgive sin. But for some strange reason he needs that BLOOD from the baby of the virgin he impregnated without consent (raped) God works in very Mysterious ways 😂
What's interesting is, I don't think people think twice about saying " the blood of Jesus " On the other hand if I point out ' The Temple of Doom' and drinking the blood of Cali MA. they will be repulsed.
Yes, the classic apologetic response. It doesn’t matter how screwed God made everything bc he sent his son to fix it! I hate that response. It’s as if all the horrors and unfairness is somehow nullified by the fact that God is fixing the mistake that ultimately stems back to him. Plus not everyone has equal access or opportunity to redemption plan. Divine jerry-rigging?
Jesus changing the rules established by the God of the OT has always been weird to me. If Christians believe that Jesus is God, then *HE* was the one who gave the Jewish people their religious rules. So did God changed his mind in the NT? But I thought God was supposed to be immutable?
How can one that says that I am not even worthy to eat the children’s bread from the table also claim to love me so much that they were willing to die for me?
Short and sweet today, folks. Thanks for being here!
Just like my coffee ☕😉👍
@@MindShift-Brandon happy to be here
Excited to see more silly apologists in the comments.
The video was over before I had finished half my cup of coffee. This is an outrage I tell you and outrage. 😂
Another fine Bible lesson Brandon. It very succinctly demonstrated the absurd apologists that excuse all the atrocities of the OT, by simply introducing the New Covenant.
- knock knock
- who's there?
- God, open up so i can save u
- Save me from what?
- From what i'm going to do to u if u don't open the door
Adam! Where are you?! Stop hiding and come out so I can talk to you. 😂
Okay okay I’ve seen this comment a million times. We get it.
@@jonathanyoung8109 still funny as *hell*! 😂😂😂
@@davidmgilbreath Don't be afraid. I'm not angry.... I'm more disappointed. It'll be OK. 🤞🤣
@@TJ000 ah hell no! I can see you’re holding the belt behind your back. 😱
Man, you can really tell this god wants to have a relationship with us. The cursing, the killing, the lack of access, the hardening of hearts, the blackmail, and the hiding is just him playing hard to get.
lol, killer comment
Right?? It's soooo obvious! I'm definitely feeling the love, not the loathing when he "repented" making man and brought the tsunami down on them!! ❤️❤️
@@BluStarGalaxy talk about an anxiety bomb! Geezus! Hahaha
Yes this god is different from Jesus. I don’t imagine Jesus killing women and children back then no matter the race. I guess those children went to heaven even if they were enemies of god. This god can’t be one with Jesus.
Mark 10:13-16
People were bringing little children to Jesus for him to place his hands on them, but the disciples rebuked them. When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.” And he took the children in his arms, placed his hands on them and blessed them.
Technically, an abusive relationship is still a relationship, so there's that 🤔
Idea that God is the same yesterday today and forever was what led me start doubting in the first place.
So because God acts not like a fictional character you have doubts about God being real? Kind of makes no sense, don't you think?
@@gandalainsley6467 it's the fact that he isn't as he claims to be. And like I said, it was the start.
@@loganpops4487 In what way? I am just trying to see if God does not fit with how you see something should be or it actually does not fit.
@@gandalainsley6467How about god claiming he is perfect, righteous, all loving and all just, then he proceeds to kills thousands of innocent people?
@@esdrasferreras1227 You do know that every person that dies of old age is killed by God right? So the whole dying thing ain't exactly a big deal for God. Also what is innocent in your eyes?
We went from "conditional tough" love to "unconditional but only if you do it right" love.
lol
@CatDaddyGuitar “Unconditional but Only if You Do It Right Love” would have been the perfect B-side to “Reckless Love” by Cory Asbury. Missed opportunity. I’m going to dust off my guitar and write it now. I think I’m still newly devonverted enough that I can compose a believable enough CCM song and sell it to Christian radio for a paycheck.
@@JD-er4gf 🤘🏼🎸🤣🤣
@@CatDaddyGuitar it's like they don't understand what unconditional love means
@@sauron69447 they don't. It's weird. You have to point out the difference between what they would do (hopefully) and what god does with children.
Sick and tired of these lies, and the grifters making money off it. Narcissists Inc. Million likes.
Not lies. Nice try dumbass 😅
Same, but I still gotta go to church on Sunday till I become independent... The economy will turn me Christian again one day cuz I swear the pastor got rizz 😂
Only evil atheists use the non-sensical and irrelevant word "grifters". Revelatory stupid copy-cat-ism, indeed...
I presented a thought experiment on Facebook yesterday which was something like this: If you’re a Christian, and you get to the afterlife only to find Allah waiting for you, who then says “I gave you plenty of chances to choose correctly, after all Islam is a huge religion that you knew about and rejected, therefore it’s justified that you spend eternity in hell” would you be okay with that? Or would you say “but I worshipped Jesus because it’s what I knew, it felt real, it’s how I was raised”, etc. I ask because that’s what Christians expect to happen to everyone who isn’t saved regarding the religion or lack thereof that they were raised with and they treat it as if it should just make sense from a justice standpoint.
I’ve gotten some different responses but none of them really wanted to put themselves in the shoes of someone who is an unbeliever or of a different religion, and some just wanted to say it was moot because Christianity is true. So I clarified that you have to really place yourself in the shoes of someone emotionally, spiritually and intellectually attached to their belief system like Christians are while also understanding that the Christian God knows what it would take for each person to abandon their belief and start believing in Jesus. Knowing this, He obviously withholds that for the majority of people while allowing for the required situations (born into the right family, country, meet the right person that convinces you to believe in Jesus, etc) to play out for a number of people to choose Christianity. So to me, it doesn’t seem like true justice in the end when people of other religions face this God.
And now I wait to see what responses I get, if any. 🤷♀️ Sorry that was so long. Had to be to make the point 😂
I've never understood how they think Pascal's wager is good. Everytime christians tell me that "i'm going to regret it when I stand in front of god", I'm like "regret what?"
They have a hard time figuratively putting themselves on the other side and weighing up all the ways they could be mistaken and therefore punished.
don't bother trying to get Christians to understand, they're afraid of even that because thinking in any way other than how they're told to is seen as prideful and sinful
@@sammur1977
But if god is the one who decided that the punishment for sin is death and god is the one offering a way to avoid the punishment
Thanking God for not being punished is the equivalent of thanking an abusive spouse for NOT beating you up
There are universalist denominations that believe that everyone, regardless of circumstances, will have the chance for salvation, even if not in their lifetime. The LDS Church is one example.
As a black woman, the significance of this black preacher (and I recognize that it could be ANY Evangelical/Fundamentalist preacher giving this sermon) speaking so ardently about people being in the back is not lost upon me
It’s as if he’s recapitulating the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960’s - and paradoxically, this man is against women and LGBTQIX people exercising their full personhood
nailed it. You cant just focus on the rescue and leave out the fact that the capture was done by the same person!
@@yacaattwood2421 on point, well said...wondering when the offereings box made it"s way around.
What the fuck does the X stand for in there? X-Men!?
I use to be a Jewish woman (convert) and at one synagogue, the women actually had to sit behind a tall wall. Not even just in the seats in the back. We could listen but not see or be seen. I was sitting there wondering why I didn’t just stay home. I’m glad I don’t go to synagogue anymore. Not comparing this to anything that Black people went through. Just sharing a personal experience. The crazy stuff we put up with in the “name of God.”
@@JaunPark2222 you"re being serious? A Jewish woman....convert? I"m curious, can you elaborate?
It's like a concert, some people, have VIP passes, some front row seats, and gentiles were in nosebleeds. God is such a diva!
lol indeed
According to Jesus, the gentiles would not even be allowed in.
Blaming God for people misrepresenting Him. Classic! Would you also blame Einstein for us using his research to create the atomic bomb?
@@madmonk0 In fact, I would. Being sooo clever, he should anticipate and accept some responsibility. We all are responsible for what we give birth to.
As for the God - if you do not confuse a Jahweh of Jews with the real God of us all, everything is much clearer.
@@madmonk0 no, because relativity and atomic theory have barely anything to do with each other.
Boom! Another round of “why did I never see this before?!” Thank you, Brandon! Have a great trip!
My thoughts exactly! Never thought about sin being one and done but Jesus dying on the cross is not considered one and done. Crazy what you don't see when you're in the thick of it.
Nobody tackles Voddie. Thank you. I feel sick listening to him yelling at us like we are all idiots.
I remember being in catechism as a child learning about jesus and how he saved us. And even as a child, I swear, I remember always thinking "but, saving us from what, from who?" It just never made sense to me. But I was too afraid to ask and look like I was doubting or questioning god, so I just rolled with it. How sad.
God is definitely the kinda guy that would want to be a hero by saving a damsel tied on a train track from an oncoming train, the catch here is that he's the one driving the train and he's also the one who tied her up.
Praising God for "saving" you is the equivalent of praising an abusive spouse for NOT beating you up.
Gee thanks God for not punishing me like you said i deserved, what a great guy for sparing me your punishment 😉👍
it is worse. An abusive person has no magical power to change, to get better. The g0d, whatever the g0d is, has to power to become totally perfectly nice. The g0d CHOOSES not to. (IF we entertain this g0d myth, that is.)
I had an NDE went to the first heaven. My ancestors thought I was going to hell but God forgave me and sent me back here.
@@jcr65566 religi0ns make afterlife claims. Again, AFTERLife claims. A NEAR death experience is not relevant here. Even if I accept your claim, we know that you were NEAR death. You were not dead.
And mankind still don't know what the g0d even is. Which makes your NEAR death experience so vague, it cannot be investigated with any scientific method.
as if you told us that you had a nde with a mukk'tah'tii. Really, feel free to use any random word to replace the g0d. Then you might see how meaningless it all is.
@@jcr65566 I’m not discounting your experience, but what do you think about all the other people who have had their own near death experiences and saw their own versions of heaven with their own gods?
@@elilane8627 Remember, demons in hell can disguise themselves.
Main character syndrome. When I finally started questioning my bible, I started seeing things past myself. I remember eventually sympathizing with the pharisees in the new testiment.... they were literally following the rules/laws they were told GOD HIMSELF decreed. I've been able to take so many steps backwards now... seeing the full picture and the point of view of the various people groups in biblical times... all of which are supposed to be God's children. The Christian God is a very disturbing & abusive father.
yes! man i feel that.
How dare you question the bible, who are you to judge God?
(Hopefully you sensed my sarcasm 😂)
They didn’t obey the first commandment.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 The Bibles are literally written with text against those that say no good things about them.
@@justice8718 So do other Gods exist? Because I was under the impression Yahweh was supposed to be the only God, which is why it’s confusing to me that he’s so concerned about people worshipping the other ones.
Well done Brandon. At least in the Old Testament, Job, who was a gentile, had the opportunity to please God with his faithfulness by following the law that was written in his heart. After Jesus making a way, no one goes to the Father but by him, and the gate is narrow with only the Elect being saved. To make things more restrictive, many will come to Jesus and say Lord, Lord, and the door would still be shut in their faces. How is this Good News?
Given Judgment Day, I can not stand with YHWH fully. Much lesser for the religions who dare to commit evil under his name as a form of "divine righteousness".
I see antiquity in Christianity. It is a failed teaching despite some good in it. Of YHWH they pray to... ... ... Only for all Gods to be judged by me.
(Well... Mankind is rather interesting to codify.)
Its good news because now its actually much simpler. All you have to do is let go of your pride. That is it. Then you had to do that and a lot of other things but you weren't exactly screwed if you messed up with that. Just stuck for a while. Now you try to follow Jesus and you just skip the waiting period.
God is a bloodthirsty psychopath who is never pleased by his perfect work. Why would I want to meet him?
@@gandalainsley6467that's under the "christians all disagree on the criteria for salvation" umbrella
@@JamesRichardWiley Want to hear something really interesting about that? There is one "God" currently worshipped in Mexico and probably other places who is exactly that. If you think actual God is bloodthirsty you don't know what blood thirsty is.
I'm really happy that more people are starting to understand the "problem of instruction", historically this hasn't been the major talking point in atheism that it should be. One of my first memories of religious cognitive dissonance was being 12 and playing Dynasty Warriors and researching the characters and time period it was based on on the Internet and thinking to myself "where was God while all this was going on? Did he just not care about an entire continent of humans he created?" To this day, my biggest issue with Abrahamic ideology is it's historical geographical constraints and very slow spread via purely human means such as preaching, printing presses, and sea-faring ships. This isn't compatible with an omnipotent god who wants the whole planet to recognize and worship him.
Fun fact: at least one of the characters in the Dynasty Warriors series was Muslim in real life.
If you wonder who, it was Zheng He.
@@vaiyt I don't see how that's possible since the games take place 300 years before Mohammed was born.
Spot on video! 💯
Honestly, someone has to go thru rigorous mental gymnastics in order to solidly believe in religion! And, then when you start not believing in it, you begin to see the cracks in it and you see the flaws and the nonsense of it all. And then you can't unsee it!
Great video Brandon.
You made so many good points, as usual. I’m surprised what congregants will allow pastors to get away with saying. I wonder how often, if ever, they get questioned about what they say.
If anyone tried to run a business, the way God runs the world and ended up with this kind of outcome, they would be fired immediately
Thank you so much for your videos. For so long I thought I was the only Christian, then ex christian, who felt this way. You and so many here are saying the exact words I have said and thought. I didn't know there were so many of us. Thank you.
Have fun on your hike Brandon!!! Hope to hear about it when you get back 🤙
This was so good! Have a great hiking trip!
Great video Brandon!
The fact that you touched upon the idea that Christianity is two religions meshed together and that a lot of inconsistences, logical fallacies and assumptions have to be made in order for it to work is something that I feel very strongly.
When I got deeper into Christian study, I realized that very early on. It hurt a lot to know the truth, but it hurt even more to have people blantantly and flagrantly disregard it!
Yes, Christianity is a bastard religion.
I discovered your UA-cam videos few months ago and I find them so deep and interesting. I test my english listening your deep analysis and they are super. I live in Italy where Roman Church had and still have a big influence on people. I wish you could even speak in Italian, your job Is a public service
I appreciate that so much thanks!
"I will not entertain the idea of any religion founded on human sacrifice". Conquistador Francisco Pizzaro, upon learning of the child sacrifices made atop the Incan Temples. He was a Devout Christian, bathed in the blood of Christ.
Oh, the irony.
lol, wow, that is wild.
The sacrifice was not just any human, because the sacrifice of any human would not have been sufficient to cover the sins of the World. God did not sacrifice a human, God sacrificed Himself. He did not make anyone else step up, God Himself was the sacrifice. This is what you do not understand. That was no ordinary human, that was God incardinate.
@@darinbracy8433 So god sacrificed himself to himself? How about just forgive people? If mere mortals can forgive others without a blood sacrifice, so can god.
@@darinbracy8433 "God sacrificed Himself" - Are you trying to say that god is no more?
@@darinbracy8433according to the Bible he also made up the rules that dictated death was the punishment for “sin”. He also decided exactly what is and isn’t considered sin. He then created people with innate desires for many of those so called “sins”. So he rigged the game from the start, then demanded worship from all people for making a “fix” for the broken system he had set up himself. By the way, a human sacrificing themselves carries real weight because we only have one life. According to the Bible Jesus’ sacrifice only lasted a few days and now he’s alive and well, so the only thing he sacrificed was a weekend.
You never fail to make me "keep thinking", Brandon! Excellent vid.
Jesus: “Great news everyone! I sacrificed myself for all of you to create a loophole in the rules I made up so now you don’t have to go the eternal torture chamber I created for you. Isn’t that great? All you have to do is grovel and worship me forever for the selfless act of choosing not to torture everyone for being exactly the way I created them.”
Any ideology founded on the premise of human sacrifice is by definition evil.
Abrahamism was founded on human sacrifice.
Dan Barker has a comedy skit called "You don't have to go down in my basement" that more or less goes like this.
Isa. 45:7 - God creates evil. Doesn't that make him responsible for anything evil that happens here? And then he blames it on a person that he made that way. Is this some kind of a game?
@@MadeiraFonseca logically if Yahweh created everything he created evil. If he's sovereign over all, everything happens because he either causes or allows it.
Isaiah is at least being consistent with his conception of Yahweh here. Which is far more then most apologists I've listened to. He flat out says that the destruction of Israel by Assyria was the will of Yahweh to punish them for their sins.
😂😂😂
"abusive"💯
No coincidence people these days tend to covet toxic relationships:
"oh he smites me because he loves me & is the jealous type."
"Well...I deserve it. I'm such a lowley failure deserving of nothing but harassment & bullying, and all manner of subjugation.
Never allowed to question anything,
Never worthy of an explanation,
"Grovel if you really love me."
Etc. etc. etc.
Be it lover, parent, neighbor, king, or even different God, put the actions of the Christian God on any other being and it instantly becomes clear how horrible those actions truly are. It only goes unseen because the idea of God getting a free moral pass for every action is reinforced in every conceivable manner, from every angle, on a daily basis. Praised when things go right, forgotten when things go wrong. Taught to go out of your way to hunt for a place to put the blame. Anywhere in the world except onto God or onto the preachers who keep pushing this message. Funny that they get a pass, too....must not mean anything important.
@@riluna3695 and the members and victims of these cults, I'd wager are unknowingly idolizing these tyrannical characteristics and manifesting them under the guise of love, because that's the only example of "love" they been allowed to know.
I'd argue that abusive relationships (to some degree or other) are all they know, in part _because of_ the religious "environment" they live in. Abuse victims tend to suffer a lot of different issues, including mistrust of anything "too good" since abusers all too often use even initially good stuff (for example, an abuser gives a compliment, only to scald the victim for putting themselves "above" the abuser by accepting it; or an abuser doing something nice for the victim, only to turn _that_ around into something like "you make it all about yourself, now it's my turn" etc.)
So even when given an opportunity of an actually good relationship, their previous abuse experience will have poisoned that to the point where they'll see _anything_ nice as an attempt to make them vulnerable to open up a big can of abuse. Better go with "the abuse that I know and can avoid" rahter than the - in their experience - far too high chance of even worse abuse...
So in essence - no, they're not "coveting toxic relationships", they're seeing toxic relationships as the "lesser of two evils".
Trauma bonding!
@@riluna3695 Nothing about him is horrible.
Vengeance. Jalousy. Pride, Glory. Pain. Bliss. Happyness. Sacrifice. Punishment. Judgement. Forgiveness. All things attributed to God... Who was created in who's image again?
Brandon, I’m sorry I missed this when you released it. Once again you so succinctly drill right to the very “meat” of the issue and expound upon it so skillfully. Thank you for what you are doing!
God sent Jesus to save us from..... God
😂😂😂just imagine how circular that sounds
Excellent as usual thanks for sharing this 👍
If anyone has read C.S. Lewis' "The Lion, the witch, and the Wardrobe", supposedly mirroring the christian theology of substitutional attonement through blood magic. Lucy asks Aslan (God) why he has to die. His response is that "There is a deeper magic that must be appeased".
Per Christian beliefs, when push comes to shove, God is either evil, or he is subject to rules beyond his control.
@@SapientCephalopod "hell is locked from the inside"
Christians love to quote him on that. I ask if it's in their bible. They get big mad
Christianity jumped the cosmic shark when it went from a tribal war god, whom could be claimed to be superior to those around, to an all-creator tri-omni god. That god holds the bag for everything.
A tribal god could be a powerful being that fights to fix the shit (hence the appeal of Jesus) against an overwhelming evil force. But there is no villain as even the villain is subject to the creation of the tri-omni unless you allow sin to be some primordial, ur-cosmic force that God opposes but does not control or create.
OR God is good and mankind is evil. You have to assume you are good to claim God is evil. This is why Jesus rebuke the self righteous Pharisees the hardest.
@@smidlee7747 I only sometimes routinely kill all of the things I've created because they are mine to do with as I please, so that makes me less evil than God. (I'm a writer and sometimes fictional characters gotta go.)
So, I am 'evil' by that definition. And if I am evil by that criteria, so is your God.
@@smidlee7747 No, you dont. Evil people hurt evil and neutral people all the time. And EVERYONE is better than this fake take on God. (Christianity)
I continue to be impressed by how active you are in the comments. Enjoy your trip, and we'll look forward to having you back!
Thanks, Brandon, each time video presents to me time and time again how nonsensical Christianity is. Someone asked me what it would take to bring me back to church, and I told him to make it all make sense. He couldn’t. Keep it going, dude. These videos make my day.
Appreciate that!
non-existent-goddamn! That was really great, Brandon
Saving this one
You would think that the pile of excuses over excuses needed to reconcile this God's behaviour with his supposed loving character would eventually open believer's eyes. And fortunately it does from time to time.
Some people really really need to believe, so they don't even let themselves entertain any ideas that might cause them to abandon their belief
Those analogies you say you know you do a lot, are awesome, and i do them too because they are a powerful often times, way of conveying a point. It's a brilliant way of putting things! 👍
Boom! Lets go!
"you who had to sit waaay back there..."
... are now important! You are powerful! You're special! Join me and give me your money and YOU will become important too!
I think my least favorite little saying that is said frequently from pulpits is "Grace is god giving us what we don't deserve, mercy is god not giving us what we do deserve" This sounds very deep to the believers ear but is actually a horrid concept.
And thanking God for deciding not to punish you like he said you deserve is the equivalent of thanking and abusive spouse for NOT beating you up.
and a non-believer just wonders: What is this g0d... thingie they keep ranting about????
This clip and Brandon's response reminds me of an analogy I've actually heard on this channel before
"The Arsonist should not get credit for putting out their own fire " And that's exactly what this priest is doing giving the Arsonist the credit.
Well done Brandon and enjoy your hiking trip!
Thank godjesus that godjesus did away with those terrible godjesus laws by sacrificing godjesus to godjesus to get those superior godjesus laws in effect. Amen.
and the g0d totally pinky swear used MAGIC to do all that. Never forget that part. Especially when talking to g0d fans.
Great points yet again bro! Have fun on your hiking trip!
Another banger
Thank you much!
You hit the nail on the head and buried it real deep
And after the veil was torn in two, it was replaced with a new one. Same old, same old.
SICK !!!!!!!
I don't understand how people can mistake this overly dramatic act he's doing with having wisdom
He doesn't sound wise....He sounds INSANE !!! 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
Reminds me of someone,...I can't seem to remember who...
Some people can't tell the difference and will pay insane people good money. 😂
Very well said👍
When I talked to my dad about the horrors in the bible he said: "all I care about is that god is gathering his own special chosen people and I get to be one of them. Other people have to worry about themselves".
He must be very special 😂
I only have three words to say, "Preach Brandon! Preach!"
Upon a closer inspection of this holy of holies there is just a pile of creepy crawlies.
You might touch on this later, I'm paused at 6:31, this is why I like the story of Yaldabaoth in the "Secret Book of John". He believes he's perfect and complete, and therefore creates the material universe ("matter"). He then creates man (Adam) and is instructed by agents of the Monad (the true GOD who cannot be named or described) to breathe into Adam's face. This costs Yaldabaoth his divine spark which now resides in Adam. In short (it's a long read) it was Jesus (the autogenes) who told Eve and Adam to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in an attempt to free them from Yalda's material prison. We (humans) are not meant to be physical (material) forms, but instead we have a spark of the divine. Jesus's life and ministry was an attempt to once again break us free from Yalda's reign of terror and tap into our inner Creator and the Love that embodies the spiritual universe.
This sounds like abusive narcissist behaviour to me. "I'm going to treat you horribly at first, but later I'm going to treat you well, and you better forget the bad stuff i did and sing my praises." You can't escape the fact that a relationship with Jesus Christ is a toxic and abusive one.
Narcissist is someone trying to take the place of God. God is what makes being a narcissist wrong.
It's classic "beat them down to build them up" tactics, they use this in the military.
It kind of creates stockholm syndrome.
Pretty powerful stuff.
"God at a party" (by Jim Jefferies) pops into my mind.
@@smidlee7747 So your god is a narcissist.
@@hainleysimpson1507 God is what makes being a narcissist wrong. If atheism is true there is nothing wrong with someone being a narcissist.
A judge by the law can send someone to prison and lock them up. If an individual takes someone and lock them up it's called kidnapping. Some atheist on social media act like they know everything when they act as if they have no clue how the real world works. I do know atheists IRL but they are not this ignorant.
We don't call a judge locking someone up for murder a kidnapper or holding a hostage. It's because he is in the place of an authority.
Save us!
From the Great Cosmic Menace.
Great video ❤❤
Love the title
Thanks!
That's the first time where YT don't notifies me your video (strangely, my device notified, but there's not notification in YT)
We need a video about what the bible says about the afterlife. Where does the dichotomous system of heaven vs hell come from? Especially when Jesus said the kingdom of god was a literal kingdom on earth
Ye bro, i love this video
There's no one that grinds my gears like Voddie and John McArthur 😅
don't be unfair. we can't leave out Turek, Winger, and Washer!
@@MindShift-Brandon 🤣🤣
This is the first time one of your videos didn't show up in my feed. I got lucky to find it as it did randomly show up as a Next Video.
Might just be some mishap on my phone , but throwing it out there in case you have less interaction on this one.
God gave us a brain to critically think. If one critically thinks about the bible they should conclude it's man-made, not God-made.
You’re very foolish. Mankind sought to wipe the bad deeds of their history. The Bible doesn’t at all.
Thank you 🧩
Former Mormon here, and I ALWAYS questioned the sacrifice of Jesus. Why werent Gentiles allowed before? What rules of the old testament are valid and which are not after Jesus? Why did so many people outside the desert not get visited by God before or after the death of Jesus? Does Jesus coming back still count as a sacrifice?
I kept these questions to myself and deconverted mostly on my own in secret. So finding content like this, while I havong since deconverted, kinda helps fill the void of the communoty I used to have.
Since you mentioned Gentiles checkout Mindshifts: "Gentiles: Made Them Just To Hate Them?" If you have not seen it yet.
@@nezz0r I haenot, thanks for the suggestion
Which rules are valid? The ones the christians can weaponize against everyone they hate. Which rules did jesus remove? The ones the christians don't want to follow or are embarrassed to answer for.
Wow there's someone I haven't heard in quite a while, his beard's grown a lot since I saw him last, lol. You've got competition Brandon, better up your game! XD
Jokes aside, it's kinda wild how long I saw this as such a beautiful story :'-)
Ha! And yes wild indeed. Its hard for me to even remember how i ever did.
You forget sending bears to mall a bunch of kids for giggling at a bald man!
As a virtually lifelong atheist and despiser of religion, particularly the Abrahamic religions, I find it sad and amazing people have and do waste their energies on this shit.
You are so therapeutic
All my life I have always believed a good parent does not play favorites. Yet, believers call god “father” and he not only plays favorites but, even normalizes it! Not the characteristics of a good or loving parent! 🤦🏼♀️ Don’t even get me started on the lack of accessibility! What would happen if we parented like that? There would be an entire planet full of hurt and dysfunctional people! 🤬
Well roughly 1/3 of the population are Christians so that makes a lot of parents who are probably "following their lord" and parenting in similar ways.
And as we can see, there's a lot of hurt and dysfunctional people.
Where are you going hiking? If you ever get the chance, go back packing at Big Bend National Park in West Texas.It's my favorite place on earth.You'll love it!!
'Mornin", all
Howdy!
@@MindShift-Brandon Good morning Maggie!
Happy Tuesday Takedown!
This really just shows how little the Bible makes sense. God bars the people he suposivedly loves from him self, only let's a few near and to bring this gods words to them, then decides thousands of year later "you know what this isn't working, let's let them come to me, but they have to praise me inorder for me to help them. They have to be thankful I changed my mind." What? It leaves so many plot holes in the story, it might as well be Swiss cheese.
I realized something pretty concerning. If Jesus and God are the same, did Jesus impregnate his own mother?
Well, according to the bible, “incest is wincest” from the start onwards.
Probably, considering how disgusting and sick the rest of it is. Ffs
Did anyone ask for consent?
Because to me however and whoever impregnated her raped her, I don't see any consent given.
I've found that Christians really don't like it when you call their special friend a rapist.
Try it 😂
we are ALL children of the g0d. No, we don't even know what the g0d is, but let me entertain this myth now. The "ALL" refers to Mary, too. So if djeezuss is the g0d, then he impregnated his mom AND his daughter. Oh, and his grand daughter. Because Mary's mother was also a child of the g0d, right? etc etc etc etc...
- djeezus, on how many levels can you do incest?
- Yes.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 the bible said Mary submitted to the will of god so she definitely consent.
Why was ‘making a way’ ever necessary to begin with? ..how could we, mere mortals mess up the plans of God? So if God is the potter and we are the clay.. why would the clay be responsible for how they were created to be?
yup, the story is flawed from the very start
"What's the use in being God if every rundown schmuck with a two-dollar prayer book can come along and ^^^^ up your plan?"
- George Carlin
Genuine application of logic, as a formulaic science, to reading the bible, will not allow you to stay in the faith. It falls apart entirely. Especially in fullest context.
@@CorbinB-Rax I’ve been a Christian for nearly 25 years and that’s where I’m at, somewhere in the middle now going ???
@@cyraxox7440 interestingly enough, the reverse is true politically/economically/medically.
Apply the exact same principles of deduction and scrutiny to left wing politics, economics, world view, or pharma, and every bit of it unravels
Yep, we need God to save us from God. You need the Bible because of the threat introduced by the Bible. There’s nothing outside of the Bible that tells you you need the Bible. Believers are tricked into thinking that sin = doing something you feel bad about, I feel like if they could wrap their heads around that not being the case it would go a long way.
man, well said!
sin is like hummtok
sin: a type of behaviour somehow NOT liked by the g0d.
hummtok: a type of behaviour somehow NOT liked by the Great Shukktakk'tii.
No. I cannot present a testable claim about the Great Shukktakk'tii. Nothing, 0.000, null. Just like the whole g0d topic. And it is nice to see that the g0d always plays a draw vs any RANDOM word. It shows how insane the entire g0d concept is.
God’s standards for anyone, as presented in the Bible, have never been consistent. My favorite example of this is the priestly qualifications found in Leviticus 21, 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1.
Leviticus 21: Can’t be a dwarf or wear glasses; must have a smooth complexion; must have working balls
1 Timothy 3: Must be a married dude; can’t be a jerk; working balls optional
Titus 1: Must be a married dude with Christian kids; training in apologetics or a related field required; working balls still optional; alcoholics need not apply
ok, permission to steal this concept for an episode?
@MindShift-Brandon Permission granted, sir. I look forward to it!
@MindShift-Brandon Just so we’re clear, though, I reserve the right to use Working Balls Optional as my band name when I write my new CCM song “Unconditional but Only if You Do It Right Love”, with Cat Daddy Guitar’s permission.
So wait, Titus 1 requires kids but they don't have to be his?
But the whole "must be married" is funny when you look at the modern incarnations. Seems somebody grossly misunderstood the instructions there.
@Llortnerof My original comment was intended to be facetious, so I exaggerated certain details for humorous effect. To provide a serious answer to your inquiry, Titus does not require a church elder (or “bishop”) to have children. However, if he does have children, Titus 1:6 demands that his “children are believers, not accused of debauchery and not rebellious.”
Meanwhile, there has been scholarly debate surrounding the instruction that an elder (or “bishop”/“deacon” cf. 1 Timothy 3:2, 12) be “married only once”. Some believe the above verses require marriage as a qualification for service, while others believe the above verses are better interpreted as a proscription of divorce and polygamy.
With that said, there is ambiguity present in the text, obscuring the instructions contained therein. Conversely, even when the meaning of the text is limpid, the author’s instructions are frequently ignored by those occupying pastoral roles in churches today.
Realizing that the Bible protrays Yahweh as a god who consistently fucks up and then takes extreme measures to fix his own mistakes was a massive catalyst for my deconstruction.
That apologetics have to try to explain why Yahweh isnt an incompetent sociopath is kind of a problem in itself.
Have fun and be safe! See you when you get back!
Wow, That was a power-puff sermon
Lol
Why do some preachers always speak as though they have reduced lung capacity and are going to pass out any second?
@@BluStarGalaxy the origin of gas lighting?
Prophet of Zod did some great videos on Voddie.
You have to believe that a perfect, infallible God is fundamentally broken if His perfect, infallible plan can go so off-the-rails that He needs to step in and fix all the bigotry and injustice resulting from it.
And now that God’s fixed it all… He STILL fails to achieve His desire for all to be saved and know the truth: And since Jesus loves everyone, every moment Jesus patiently waits to return correlates with way more people He loves experiencing eternal torture rather than being saved… in opposition to what He wants.
I… don’t think I’d trust this judgement.
well put!
@@MindShift-Brandon It just occurred to me…. a big part of your appeal, to me, was your dedication to compassion for those stuck in Christianity, being made to feel shame and self-loathing for accepting that they are to blame for the irredeemable nature God created them with.
It’s easy to criticize God relentlessly. That’s why I’m an atheist. You helped remind me why I advocate atheism… why I’m proud to call myself a human being despite sharing the same shortcomings as every other human being.
Of course, that’s not your responsibility, but your expression of that element seems to have been missing lately.
I’m hoping this comment returns the favor you’ve done for me, if your goals are what I interpreted them to be and haven’t shifted.
It means very much. Thank you for that
"Do not be afraid. I am peace. I am salvation." "Time has taught me patience! But asking in new freedom, I WILL KNOW ALL THAT I POSSESS!" --- flood Gravemind
Sounds quite similar to the Abrahamic God.
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Kinda funny story, I dated Voddie’s oldest son in college. Very intelligent guy who(at the time)practiced magic and sorcery. Go figure.
It's on Yahweh, not us. This God could figure out other ways to come down and actually have a connection with us, but he needs to sacrifice 33 years of his eternal life just to show up, chat, do magic tricks, and then be "sacrificed". He chose to make a gap between himself and humanity, and expects humanity to build the bridge.
yup! It's ridiculous.
Not to mention, this god of supposedly all humanity decided to show up to one group of people, but the responsibility is on everyone else to still follow him.
@saoliath5000 Well, according to Christians, Jesus said himself: "blessed are those who have not seen and yet still believe". I haven't seen the real damn Santa Claus, but we have plenty of proof he doesn't exist. Same goes for this God.
Yeah he could click his immaterial fingers and forgive sin or whatever his issue is.
But for some reason he needs that BLOOD from the kid born from the virgin he raped.
I'm pretty sure there was no consent given.
Rape victims baby blood is what's required apparently 🤔
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 it goes to show that men really do have the weirdest fantasies, don't they?
I agree, not much to say. In any other context we would call someone creating a problem and then trying to sell you the solution a scammer worthy of scorn, not praise.
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Short, sweet and on the money! The religious leaders keep morphing and revising their message, always looking for the way to get the most hits. In today's world they even get to watch each other preform and copy the technique and wording. I've watched it my whole life and researched how it went in the past. I am amazed angry that it worked on me, but it did. The BS takes years to un-think and even decades more once you finally disbelieve to get the nonsense just somewhat cleared out. Every religious person from every religion is in the same boat, following the indoctrination and never seeing it.
Have you read the Quran?
@@LogicStandsBeforeGod Have I read the Bhagavad Gita? Have I read the Book of Mormon? Have I read the Ramayana? Have I read the Book of the Dead? Have I read the Avesta? Each and every religious person says the same thing. My book is perfect. My book is right. My religion is true. My hero is real. You probably believe all the other religions are wrong because the followers were indoctrinated into falsehood, BUT, you will tell me that yours is correct. Think about that really hard for a few years.
I have to say, that minister is a very powerful speaker. I can understand why the congregation is swept up in this. He could read the ingredients to a can of mushroom soup and sound inspiring. That being said, is God a segregationist? Also, God is in complete control of the world and so set up this whole system to begin with. If someone repents of their sin, why can't God just forgive them. Why go through all the theatrics?
yes Voddie is extremely powerful and likeable, but man if the message isnt just so broken.
God could click his immaterial fingers and forgive sin.
But for some strange reason he needs that BLOOD from the baby of the virgin he impregnated without consent (raped)
God works in very Mysterious ways 😂
I am 99% sure Voddie Baucham doesn't claim God loves everyone equally
What's interesting is, I don't think people think twice about saying " the blood of Jesus " On the other hand if I point out ' The Temple of Doom' and drinking the blood of Cali MA. they will be repulsed.
Don't tell them that God never got consent before impregnating a virgin so is therefore a rapist.
They really don't like that 😂
Humnum Shiva!
I been fascinated and. Sort jf researching the Jesus idea. My whole life and it still makes no sense to me
Yes, the classic apologetic response. It doesn’t matter how screwed God made everything bc he sent his son to fix it! I hate that response. It’s as if all the horrors and unfairness is somehow nullified by the fact that God is fixing the mistake that ultimately stems back to him. Plus not everyone has equal access or opportunity to redemption plan.
Divine jerry-rigging?
Well, he's perfect, so all those mistakes aren't really mistakes, so he needs to non-fix non-mistakes. Yeah, it's contrived bullshit.
Wow, flashback 😮
Jesus changing the rules established by the God of the OT has always been weird to me. If Christians believe that Jesus is God, then *HE* was the one who gave the Jewish people their religious rules. So did God changed his mind in the NT? But I thought God was supposed to be immutable?
it simply does not work!
@@MindShift-Brandon The entire Christian belief doesn't add up the more you think about it.
The power of cherry picking
@@a.b.2405 More powerful than God himself
@@sauron69447 this right here!
Preach it! 😂
Thanks!
How can one that says that I am not even worthy to eat the children’s bread from the table also claim to love me so much that they were willing to die for me?
That story really screws Jesus. and the "testing" apologetic is incredibly weak.
@@MindShift-Brandon It really does. The woman has to correct Jesus. But sure, apologists, it was Jesus that was testing her. 🙄
@@BluStarGalaxywhat verse is that? Because I’d like to see
@@wooda3x Matthew 15: 24-28