I looked on Three Rivers Archery and they actually have the Satori shooting off the shelf kit. For 15.99 and I can tell you that it's perfectly made just for the Tebow also. I bought it and it fits perfect and it even has three different little plates that you can get your center Shot where it needs to be and I used all three mini credit card like shims that you put behind the shooting off the shelf side plate, and it has my arrow right to the left a little bit at the tip. Perfect for right hand traditional period and it also does come with a bear hair like rug bottom of the Satori kit also period and it also comes with a black mole skin that is shaped the size for this story and I want to let you guys know that it all fits perfect and you would be very very happy to put it on your economical recurve ilf limb bow
Have both myself. Very hard to justify the difference in price on the riser. I did not shoot the Tbow limbs much preferring to pick my own limbs. With regard to the Tbow riser one can't complain really. Thank you for sharing.
I bought a Taow and Black Hunter bows, and I like the simple, lightweight, and quiet limb retention design of the BH bow. Still interchangeable, just nicer to carry and a lightweight, fast yet unobtrusive design. Adjustability in the ILF design is somewhat comical; if tweaking goes to the bow’s geometry instead of tuning to the bow’s set geometry, then it’s another set of doubts to deal with, along with all the rattling that goes on with the metal / limb / adjustment screws / limb pockets thing that ILF means.
"..Adjustability in the ILF design is somewhat comical..." ??? What does that mean? Do you know what the adjustments are for, and why they are useful? The adjustments afforded by the ILF setup are excellent. You can align limbs, adjust draw weight and adjust tiller for split finger or three fingers under. How is that level of adjustment "comical"? And why would the adjustment hardware "rattle" when they have locknuts or are snugged down correctly? If you know how to setup an ILF bow, have good technique and have the right arrow setup, there's no reason why you shouldn't have a silent shooting, responsive Tbow that's rewarding to shoot. These parameters aren't exclusive to ILF bows, they also apply to takedowns like the BH. The Tbow is remarkable value, you get a lot of bow for what you're paying. Maybe that's the Tbow's problem, people are buying them because they're so cheap, then have a negative experience because they don't know how to set them up?
@space.youtube I agree with that point also. My main rig nowadays is a Morrison Phoenix ILF riser and I do love the versatility and tweakability of the ilf platform, but I think new guys should lean towards something else for a 1st bow. I'd say the tbow, satori, morrison, tradtech, etc should be more of an upgrade or next step after more knowledge has been gained. Especially after a shooting style has been established. Having the ability to adjust tiller and limb alignment is awesome, but I could see where some would take it so far that they overthink it and either mess things up or give up.
A couple of quick comments. I only have the Tbow. There are NO quality issues. The difference between the Satori and Tbow risers is weight. The Tbow is heavier. Purely a matter of preference. The limbs are great, and I've shot many limbs. They are bamboo cores and shoot well. There is no reason to replace them and they are durable. I have shot several thousand arrows through mine and no problems. That being said, I imagine the Satori draw cycle is smoother and more refined then the Tbow. Of course limbs are interchangable, but you won't get a significant upgrade for a couple hundred bucks.
@duffypoindexter8684 the details you've mentioned make the tbow worth every penny. My riser was lighter than my 17in hoyt....at least that's how it felt to me. I don't have either of the bows anymore. I gave the tbow to a friend of mine and sold the satori for my current morrison ilf riser and their Max 6 limbs. I do have the riser on ebay, but plan on using that cash (or trade) towards another 17in satori or win&win black wolf 17in.
Considering the fact that you can buy a complete bow from Tbow for cheaper than a Hoyt quiver leads me to believe Hoyt is a little overpriced for your average backyard archer. And for anyone who doesn’t like the fact they are made in china… remember all that patriotism next time you’re shopping at Walmart.🙄
And Rural king. We actually call it China King from here. And have previously worked there myself, I can tell you almost everything that they get is from China
Thanks for the review. I can’t find a local dealer that has a Satori, so I’m going to purchase a TBOW to try out. If I like it, I’ll sell my Blacktail and buy a Satori.
theyre ilf certified meaning theyre all interchangeable. thats the point and definition of an ilf system. "international limb fitting". anything thats an ilf will work together
I have a Hoyt Satori 21" riser with long limbs 66" and it is a fine bow, I love mine. I just don't like way the Chinese bows feel or their quality control issues. Been there and done that.
That would be a sweet setup in all honesty. I'd say start at 40lbs and work your way up. I know alot of people will say go lighter, but 40lbs isn't hard to learn on in my opinion. I started at 45 eventually getting to 65, but now I stick to 50-55. Only way I'd go back to 65 is when I eventually go hunt for a griz.
Not supporting clones but I do like the idea of the clone for entry lvl beginners to get a feel of the bow before jumping into hoyt bows. Hoyt can be overpriced at times even though the price is justifiable... We need more entry level archers to make the market viable.. more archers = more new bows and better market..
@Angel.Custodio all the parts from the hoyt will fit on the tbow. It's technically a clone, but the actual hoyt parts bolt right on. It's a sweet bow, but it is lighter in the hand. That can be a good or bad thing. Just all boils down to preference.
@@CrowArchery5150 oh wow that is good to know. I find that if I back either tiller bolt off even a small amount the limb simply cannot lift up to meet it. Like the limbs have such a tiny range of motion it renders the bolts useless!
@c.m5043 I guess quality control is starting to slip. The only thing I could think of is that those factory's are focusing on new product. Apparently the sanlida x10 hermit is all the new rage.
How are the limbs on the tbow? Is the performance and durability on par with satori limbs? You think it would be a bad idea to go with satori riser with tbow limbs?
They are ok at best. Honestly I little less subpar than the satori limbs. Honestly I'd say if you are wanting to save some dollars but have a little bit better quality, I'd say get the satori riser and some trad tech black max limbs.
@ryanslevenski4825 no prob my guy. The tbow riser is pretty good imo. However you can tell the difference holding them side by side. The real satori is a better feeling riser.
@@CrowArchery5150I was reading Hoyt has their risers built in the same factory , do you think it is true ? Sort of like shoes , built in the same factory , just like shirts and so on , put a Nike logo and the value shoots way up , but it’s the same as any other shirt
its aluminum and wood....i wouldnt call that cheaper materials lol. for 200 vs 2k.....id say its a no brainer personally. its the difference between getting a bow and not getting a bow
I'm talking about Brazil, I'm a fan of the bow, but I can't buy it in dollars, Brazil's purchasing power is low, I want to know if the tbow and satori in relation to the shooting speeds, they are close, the tbow has a good efficiency or taow?
I've shot the Satori and own the tbow. I really enjoy my tbow. I've noticed no difference between the two. I really enjoy archery and purchased what I could afford.
TBow Riser & Uukha Gobi limbs is a killer combo for less than half the price than the Satori. I have two buddies with Satori bows and they couldn't mount an bolt on arrow rest because the thread of the Berger hole wasn't cut properly. Paint chips easily too. Edges on the limbs are quite sharp and are easily damaged. Way overpriced in my opinion. The Hoyt target risers in the same pricepoint are way better quality.
@chrisbowman2030 my satori riser was flawless. Never had a single issue. The tbow had the issue with the plate for the shelf not wanting to fit right so I had to file the plastic a bit (no big deal) overall as a guy who owned the "top setup" concerning the satori, I full blown admit the tbow is a better value.
I have both Satori 21" and the TBow clone and I hate the TBow. It's way too heavy and you can tell from the harmonics that the metal is a much cheaper grade. Not to mention the finish is missing all the bevels, chamfers and quality of finish. If your use to higher quality you will notice the difference.
I looked on Three Rivers Archery and they actually have the Satori shooting off the shelf kit. For 15.99 and I can tell you that it's perfectly made just for the Tebow also. I bought it and it fits perfect and it even has three different little plates that you can get your center Shot where it needs to be and I used all three mini credit card like shims that you put behind the shooting off the shelf side plate, and it has my arrow right to the left a little bit at the tip. Perfect for right hand traditional period and it also does come with a bear hair like rug bottom of the Satori kit also period and it also comes with a black mole skin that is shaped the size for this story and I want to let you guys know that it all fits perfect and you would be very very happy to put it on your economical recurve ilf limb bow
Have both myself. Very hard to justify the difference in price on the riser. I did not shoot the Tbow limbs much preferring to pick my own limbs. With regard to the Tbow riser one can't complain really. Thank you for sharing.
I bought a Taow and Black Hunter bows, and I like the simple, lightweight, and quiet limb retention design of the BH bow. Still interchangeable, just nicer to carry and a lightweight, fast yet unobtrusive design. Adjustability in the ILF design is somewhat comical; if tweaking goes to the bow’s geometry instead of tuning to the bow’s set geometry, then it’s another set of doubts to deal with, along with all the rattling that goes on with the metal / limb / adjustment screws / limb pockets thing that ILF means.
True that. I bought one of the stealth hunters and agree with the simplicity and less hassle. Definitely great bows no matter what.
"..Adjustability in the ILF design is somewhat comical..." ???
What does that mean? Do you know what the adjustments are for, and why they are useful? The adjustments afforded by the ILF setup are excellent. You can align limbs, adjust draw weight and adjust tiller for split finger or three fingers under. How is that level of adjustment "comical"? And why would the adjustment hardware "rattle" when they have locknuts or are snugged down correctly? If you know how to setup an ILF bow, have good technique and have the right arrow setup, there's no reason why you shouldn't have a silent shooting, responsive Tbow that's rewarding to shoot. These parameters aren't exclusive to ILF bows, they also apply to takedowns like the BH.
The Tbow is remarkable value, you get a lot of bow for what you're paying. Maybe that's the Tbow's problem, people are buying them because they're so cheap, then have a negative experience because they don't know how to set them up?
@space.youtube I agree with that point also. My main rig nowadays is a Morrison Phoenix ILF riser and I do love the versatility and tweakability of the ilf platform, but I think new guys should lean towards something else for a 1st bow. I'd say the tbow, satori, morrison, tradtech, etc should be more of an upgrade or next step after more knowledge has been gained. Especially after a shooting style has been established. Having the ability to adjust tiller and limb alignment is awesome, but I could see where some would take it so far that they overthink it and either mess things up or give up.
@@CrowArchery5150 Agreed 👍
A couple of quick comments. I only have the Tbow. There are NO quality issues. The difference between the Satori and Tbow risers is weight. The Tbow is heavier. Purely a matter of preference. The limbs are great, and I've shot many limbs. They are bamboo cores and shoot well. There is no reason to replace them and they are durable. I have shot several thousand arrows through mine and no problems. That being said, I imagine the Satori draw cycle is smoother and more refined then the Tbow. Of course limbs are interchangable, but you won't get a significant upgrade for a couple hundred bucks.
@duffypoindexter8684 the details you've mentioned make the tbow worth every penny. My riser was lighter than my 17in hoyt....at least that's how it felt to me. I don't have either of the bows anymore. I gave the tbow to a friend of mine and sold the satori for my current morrison ilf riser and their Max 6 limbs. I do have the riser on ebay, but plan on using that cash (or trade) towards another 17in satori or win&win black wolf 17in.
Considering the fact that you can buy a complete bow from Tbow for cheaper than a Hoyt quiver leads me to believe Hoyt is a little overpriced for your average backyard archer. And for anyone who doesn’t like the fact they are made in china… remember all that patriotism next time you’re shopping at Walmart.🙄
I agree whole heartedly.
And Rural king. We actually call it China King from here. And have previously worked there myself, I can tell you almost everything that they get is from China
hoyt is made in china too. all hoyt is is a scumbag company marking up products 5000x their cost to make.
An honest review of the Taow (tbow) from a Satori owner. Most aren't so honest about the Tbow.
Kudos.
Word is bond, my friend.
Thanks for the review. I can’t find a local dealer that has a Satori, so I’m going to purchase a TBOW to try out. If I like it, I’ll sell my Blacktail and buy a Satori.
theyre ilf certified meaning theyre all interchangeable. thats the point and definition of an ilf system. "international limb fitting". anything thats an ilf will work together
I have a Hoyt Satori 21" riser with long limbs 66" and it is a fine bow, I love mine. I just don't like way the Chinese bows feel or their quality control issues. Been there and done that.
What length riser and limbs would you suggest for a 30" draw? I was looking at a 19" riser and long 40 or 45# limbs.
That would be a sweet setup in all honesty. I'd say start at 40lbs and work your way up. I know alot of people will say go lighter, but 40lbs isn't hard to learn on in my opinion. I started at 45 eventually getting to 65, but now I stick to 50-55. Only way I'd go back to 65 is when I eventually go hunt for a griz.
Not supporting clones but I do like the idea of the clone for entry lvl beginners to get a feel of the bow before jumping into hoyt bows. Hoyt can be overpriced at times even though the price is justifiable... We need more entry level archers to make the market viable.. more archers = more new bows and better market..
Facts.
and also since I'm from Brazil, I'm thinking of buying a quiver redline RL 3 can you tell me if it's a good quiver? I want to put it in a bow tbow!
I’m new to the trad world, but is a clone a lookalike, or an actual same specs of the Hoyt?
@Angel.Custodio all the parts from the hoyt will fit on the tbow. It's technically a clone, but the actual hoyt parts bolt right on. It's a sweet bow, but it is lighter in the hand. That can be a good or bad thing. Just all boils down to preference.
Hi there any issue adjusting the tiller bolts on this please? I just bought one and unfortunately there is no way to adjust the tiller!
@@c.m5043 interesting.....I never had that issue with either of them.
@@CrowArchery5150 oh wow that is good to know. I find that if I back either tiller bolt off even a small amount the limb simply cannot lift up to meet it. Like the limbs have such a tiny range of motion it renders the bolts useless!
@c.m5043 I guess quality control is starting to slip. The only thing I could think of is that those factory's are focusing on new product. Apparently the sanlida x10 hermit is all the new rage.
and why do you use so much traditional quiver in recurve bows instead of more modern carbon quiver?
How are the limbs on the tbow? Is the performance and durability on par with satori limbs? You think it would be a bad idea to go with satori riser with tbow limbs?
They are ok at best. Honestly I little less subpar than the satori limbs. Honestly I'd say if you are wanting to save some dollars but have a little bit better quality, I'd say get the satori riser and some trad tech black max limbs.
Thanks for getting back so quick! Appreciate the recommendation 🙏
@ryanslevenski4825 no prob my guy. The tbow riser is pretty good imo. However you can tell the difference holding them side by side. The real satori is a better feeling riser.
@@CrowArchery5150I was reading Hoyt has their risers built in the same factory , do you think it is true ? Sort of like shoes , built in the same factory , just like shirts and so on , put a Nike logo and the value shoots way up , but it’s the same as any other shirt
@user-km5kj8xh1x I don't believe that's true at all. The satori risers are built here in the USA and the clones are Chinese.
its aluminum and wood....i wouldnt call that cheaper materials lol. for 200 vs 2k.....id say its a no brainer personally. its the difference between getting a bow and not getting a bow
I'm talking about Brazil, I'm a fan of the bow, but I can't buy it in dollars, Brazil's purchasing power is low, I want to know if the tbow and satori in relation to the shooting speeds, they are close, the tbow has a good efficiency or taow?
I've shot the Satori and own the tbow. I really enjoy my tbow. I've noticed no difference between the two. I really enjoy archery and purchased what I could afford.
TBow Riser & Uukha Gobi limbs is a killer combo for less than half the price than the Satori. I have two buddies with Satori bows and they couldn't mount an bolt on arrow rest because the thread of the Berger hole wasn't cut properly. Paint chips easily too. Edges on the limbs are quite sharp and are easily damaged. Way overpriced in my opinion. The Hoyt target risers in the same pricepoint are way better quality.
@@chrisbowman2030 I had those same issues on my tbow riser, but I agree. I think the tbow is a much greater value for what you get.
@@CrowArchery5150 Issues with the Satori or TBow riser?
@chrisbowman2030 my satori riser was flawless. Never had a single issue. The tbow had the issue with the plate for the shelf not wanting to fit right so I had to file the plastic a bit (no big deal) overall as a guy who owned the "top setup" concerning the satori, I full blown admit the tbow is a better value.
I have both Satori 21" and the TBow clone and I hate the TBow. It's way too heavy and you can tell from the harmonics that the metal is a much cheaper grade. Not to mention the finish is missing all the bevels, chamfers and quality of finish. If your use to higher quality you will notice the difference.
Grips and side plate are the same.