Caught By Flushing Body Parts Down The Toilet | World’s Most Evil Killers | Real Crime
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- Опубліковано 21 гру 2020
- A look at the north London serial killer Dennis Nilsen, who murdered at least 12 men before being caught when he began flushing remains down the toilet.
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Serial killers have taught me that our parents despise some of their children and some show it. Not an excuse to murder but damn, hug your damn child
Well, I would say “some patents,” not “our parents.” But I agree. To raise a baby squirrel you need permits, classes, supervised training, a house/enclosure inspection, etc. but anyone who is fertile can be handed a baby human to raise.
Rather, hug your children equally. Don't show favoritism. Unfortunately it happens in all households, not even aware by most parents.
You have it spot on. The only thing to add is choice. Those of us abandoned by our mothers do grow into full fledge adults who have an equal amount of free will to choose the dark or light behaviours.
You can't hug them if it's just not in you!!😞😞
@@terryford8280 It's very possible, but it requires hard work to unfurl the reasons why the first impulse is to reject.
How he wasn't known as the The Serial Killer Toilet Man is beyond me.
Serial toilet stopper upper 🤣
Or Serial Pipe Stopper lol
@@chelseamccurley941 Both of these are great contributions hahaha!
@@juufin86summer lol thank you I laughed typing them 😂
I watch television with my friends all the time but they aren't dead lol :(
This man took "Your life is going down the drain" phrase literally.
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I know right?
@@msmakarias9826 why you laughing over someone who got killed brutally?
@@redbull7324 1qaq
Hahahaha
Hug your child, save our plumbing.
why did i laugh at that 😹
LMAO
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bahahahaha
😊😊😊even though it is à sad stoty you make me 😆😆
Nilsen's childhood sounds like a picnic in the park compared to the childhood of some homeless people I know. They, by the way, did not grow up to be serial killers.
@@reader-mx9ss It’s in the mind and possibly genetic makeup
Insanity and even the slightest of childhood trauma is a deadly concoction. With others it takes a 3 tier cake to create a single thing. It’s so sad.
Well, they probably aren't psychopaths
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I'm sure the experience with his Grandfather didn't help. The most important male relationship in his life and they didn't even bother telling him that he was dead before they took him to see him. Ffs.
Narrator: -1:10- "carved himself a place in history as one of the worlds most evil killers!"
Nilson: *accidently bumps head on police truck*
I'd say he was one of the world's least evil serial killers in that that he didn't make his victims suffer.
@@cecilebraillie4471 he showed mercy to a lotta guys too by letting them leave unharmed. Most of the damage done to the victims was also done post mortem. This isn’t to say he isn’t evil though, he’s still a twisted fuck who’s left many victims and families traumatized.
"Killing for company." That sums it up!
I have to get the book Killing For Company. Im sure its a great read.
@@denisekristen7620 that book is about Jeffrey Dahmer,,,,i've read it and it's quite good..
@@iamthatguyfromslipknot1137 no its about Dennis Nilsen are you stupid?
He's the Jeffrey Dahlmer of Great Britain.
Beat me to the comment. 💯
I don't think Nilsen actually ate anyone.
Yes I was thinking the same, many similarities. Dahmer also said he wouldn’t have stopped if he had not been caught. It seems like these two people found some relief getting caught, they were smart in their “normal” life and yet were caught because of a mistake.
Was literally just thinking this lol
The similarities are just so eerie!
Serious abandonment issues.
But its clear that he was wired all wrong to begin with . Normal people can't justify kiling just because of loneliness .
Please!!!!
i think it's a big issue, i have heard of so many crime in result of them being abundant, neglected, rejected.
@@MarcFun Even a little love can go a long long way.
Can u imagine if Dahmer and this guy met each other ,it'll be like batman and robin
No. I don't think so. SK often see other SKs crimes as senseless but their own is more rational. I know, stupid as hell.
Kemper said something like this about Mullin. Weird
Them: he was an incredibly smart and calculated killer
Him: yeah so anyway I started flushing body parts down the toilet
It's highly likely he wanted to get caught. As he was the one that wrote to his landlord complaining about the clogged drains. He knew what they'd find for sure
It's no way an excuse and maybe it wouldn't have made much of a difference, but his mother should've explained exactly what happened to his grandfather. Children need to know that death is a natural part of life. I feel the same annoyance with parents who don't teach their kids the proper names for their anatomy.
Omg saaaaaaaaame on the anatomy terms
Like the word “twat,” I hate that word. Call it anything but that.
@@ethanweeter2732 so “bearded clam” is more acceptable to you?
That actor adjusted his glasses so many times you'd think this was an anime
Our toilets can't even flush "flushable" wipes or the beloved thick Charmin toilet paper
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Really?
I think you just use too much toilet paper like all women do
@@Jesse_222 hope u OD💞
It’s Christmas Day for crying out loud. Why am I watching this with interest?
Why not ?
Because your only christmas visitor was the dead guy rotting under the floor boards. :-)
I wonder if the current occupants of his old apartments know what happened there. It creeps me out to even think about living in a place like that.
I just checked on a Google map and both properties are nicely looked after and is home for someone. Although one at 195 Melrose Ave is blurred from street view but you could see from satellite images it’s looks good especially garden growing nicely. I’m sure whoever lives there know the past of this property.
The childhood reaction to loosing his only family member and childhood isolation reminds me a lot of Ed geins story with his over baring mom and he lost it when she passed and started bringing corpses home from the graveyard to hangout with him in his big house that had no electricity and was hoarder type dirty. Ugh 😦😩 so creepy.
He also made furniture and other items from human skin.
and the frequenting gay bars, the wanting to “keep” them by killing them… also sounds like jeff dahmer!
This is so different to me. Compared to so many others at least. Horrifying to be sure. But crazy that he felt saved when he got caught.
Mother talks so lovingly and innocently when it was her cold and unloving shoulder that created him. Clueless.
Chances are it wasn't all her fault.
These are just excuses. It is all in the mind and heart. Doesnt matter what you went through you make the decision of what you do. Just like when i hear drug addicts sob stories. Bullshit it was you who picked up the pipe or knife. Accountability is rare these days in a society of blame it on everyone but yourself because thatll make you feel better. His mother might not have been loving but that doesnt mean any blame.is to be put on her. Many serial killers had great childhoods and lives in general. They still killed people. Thats because they where bad people right. Exactly.
@@kamilthegreat2834 extremely closed minded way of thinking. While in the end, our actions are our own responsibility, our environment and the circumstances under which we are raised play a massive part in who we become and how we act.
@@kamilthegreat2834 exactly in fact most of those who killed their parents have had great childhood and everything handed to them like bart whitaker and aj Armstrong yet these idiot psychologists always claim it's education instead of evil hearts and souls...
@H S bart Whitaker aj Armstrong killed their parents with fantastic childhood that's worse than being a serial killer..and thus destroys your fairytale views about humans...if a serial killer like jeff dahmer says it himself that these are just excuses i will let you imagine who's right ...Lucifer turned on God himself he was a bad soul so are many humans
This is actually a very very sad case 😔
What did the neighbors say about the SMELL?!
I also wonder about after he moved out of the first house, how that was addressed? The smell had to be imbedded in the wood of the flooring...
Has anyone else noticed that many, not all, serial killers have similar negative childhood experiences? Very odd, indeed.
entirely blaming the mother is a big "fuck you" to every functional adult who grew up with an emotionally neglectful mother and didn't turn out to be a serial killer! there is never any excuse, ever.
His mother should not have been so mean. Men who do not receive their mother's love end up broken.
Can agree and attest to
So sick of men's sick actions being blamed on women 😒
Most cases the mother is to blame, too much love, or too little. The fact that she sits there and is in complete denial of how she treated Dennis is astounding.
@@michelletripp3701 then maybe open your eyes before having a boy
@@michelletripp3701 children need love and affection, if you don't know that, you need to see a psychiatrist!
Sounds like a shitty situation.
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A five star shit fest
Hahaha. 11/10
Nice word-play! 👍
Do a story on the Nova Scotia mass murder that made Canadian history, 18 murdered people by someone who dressed like a cop and pulled people over with a fake police car
Fun fact: pretty close to my house
Woahhhh! I’d like to check that out..
@@Sheya404 It was just last Spring, April I believe. Gabriel Wortman was the name of the shooter. I'm pretty sure there aren't any truecrime reports about it yet but it was horrific.
It's frightening how much David Tennant looks like this guy....😱
This story reminds me of a muder case that's on trial right now in Canada. Adam Strong. He killed 2 teenagers in Oshawa, Ontario. He dismembered one of them, her torso was found in lake Ontario and he flushed her flesh down the toilet. A plumber was called, that's how he was caught.
Oh my goodness!! Poor girls 💔😞
i wish you were no longer on this earth
He gave the police a lot names of people he murdered, but weren't at least some of those people listed as missing persons in police files?? Most of them probably had relatives who the police could have contacted. but there is little to mention of this.
Agreed
If they kept a sample from each part they found, they could ID them now through familial DNA analysis.
A lot of families didn't report them because they were gay. Back then nobody really cared. Kind of like sex workers, nobody misses them and they are considered easy prey. It's so tragic.
What a guy. I’ve seen many documentaries on this guy. He and dahmer would be buds.
A Weirdo, A Madman, That all fits the picture for Nilsen, a Crazy f####d up monster.
What was it that his mother found so repulsive about him but not his siblings?
Mg guess is, different fathers.
It sounds so ridiculous but it happens often.
@Belltown Daisy 20/20 hind sight.
She probably knew he was gay, and no parent really wants to hear--or know--that about their kids...unless they're in the closet themselves!
Mum was homophobic? Sensed his kwyr-ness?
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He was a monster plain and simple. He is in the same category as Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Gary Ridgeway, Yorkshire Ripper.
The way the kids grow up its so much big impact for kids life.
David Tennant did a brilliant job playing Dez in the movie about this..
it's amazing to think there was a time these guys weren't killers.
Terrible situation. He flushed alot people's lives down the toilet. Sad!
No joke.
The way he disposed the body is gruesome as hell. Without he didn't confessed no one would know how many people he have killed
Love this show!Sometimes we get so absorbed by US serial killer content that we forget that the UK has had its fair share of sick f*cks-Ian Bradley/Myra Hindley, Rose/Fred West, Sutcliffe et, I dont know why Im listing them down ANYWAY Des was one sick sad son of a..and I dont want to compare but he's like Jeffrey Dahmer. Also the show Des with David Tenant was awesome! Okthanksbye
He said Nilson was out the box, couldn't classify him. This was haunting, interesting, thanks for sharing!
What a Sicko😑Happy Holidays Everyone Everywhere😊
Happy Holidays!🎄
1:13
The narrator: "one of worlds most evil killers"
me: "HE HIT HIS HEAD ON THE FUCKING CAR AHAHHAHAH"
Yep. So sorry for Dennis for being lonely..... ugh.
TYSM, @Real Crime, for your many excellent uploads.
Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!
I read Masters’ book. This show briefly mentioned one of DN’s victims had a tattoo round his neck. What is said in the book but not here was that the tattoo was of a dashed line with instructions “CUT HERE”. I believe this was on the unnamed skinhead mentioned. Apparently Dennis followed the instructions to the letter when he dismembered this guy. Crazy, sounds like a horror movie setup.
This is disgusting glad i was only eating chips
What fascinates me so much about these types of killers is that they are so casual about keeping random bodies around the house. What do you mean he had bodies in the bath and under the floor?? Like what does that even mean??? Like what dimensional rift did we fall through and what parallel universe is this? Cause this sitch makes NO sense to me. I just cannot wrap my head around it.
Yes! So much this! Have you ever smelled a dead thing? They stink in an unmistakable and horrible way, how do they live there and how do neighbours not notice.
@@erinrow399 I actually haven’t smelled anything dead (that I know of at least but I don’t think I’d forget that if I did) but such a good point! I can barely handle the smell of dog poop meanwhile this dude is living with decaying bodies in his house!!! Literal decaying full on human bodies.....like what. In. The. World..????
This was crazy. 😦 Glad they made a series on this.
How I ended up here 😁
It's Christmas ⛄🎄
Happy holidays ☮️🕊️
People don’t do this MONSTERS do! I’ve had a rough childhood, and am working with a therapist to get treated for PTSD, but I would NEVER do anything like this 🤮
Whoever it was abusing you, they didn't manage to break you.
All the best in life.
Everyone is different. How one person responds to trauma is different than how another person might cope. Some people don't cope well at all to childhood trauma and it can manifest in a deterioration of their behavior. They can develop maladaptive behavior, sociopathy and other pathological manifestations. Just because you are rebounding with the help of a therapist and psychotherapy doesn't mean everyone will.
That isn’t the point they were making. They were trying to say that from a young age he was different and that’s why the mother felt it difficult to get close to him.
People react very differently to their life events. This guy was obviously very damaged, quite beyond hope.
Ok? Not everybody’s the same.
If they've known each other, I'd say Dahmer got inspired by this dude.
1:14 he hits his head on the van
Thank you lol someone said it!
Good call, blink and you'll miss it.
Apologising for a murderer. Yeah, definitely good analysis.
and blaming the mother in the process. as usual
i like how they explain the killers usual day after day routine, like they know the killer is going to stand over a body for few hours, go eat lunch and come back saw the body and do it evey day just in that way lmfao
What if this guy and Dahmer tried to pick each other up from the bar?
I can imagine
That book is fkn gross 🤢
Has there ever been a serial killer who WASN’T the product of divorce?
A serial killer is just a serial killer..people have been through worse situations than divorce and don't go killing others.
@@cliffpinchon2832 this is absolutely NOT true!!
@@nzisawambua4141 you evidently don't understand mental health. Most of who you're referring to had extended family to interact with I e. Substitutes for missing parent or parents. Isolated folks tend to react differently to people. They are more disconnected, so most are affected severely by separation. Death affects them differently. You cannot do the type of comparison you are doing. Circumstances are unique and create unique outcomes. Some life experiences cause people to be very hateful towards humans and view them as oiles of disappointment that are worth using and discarding like toilet paper. When thoughts are warped it's difficult to reverse.
@@cliffpinchon2832 well, this isn't the time or place for that .
Imagine you fear being in danger. He cooks you an omelet, you think everything is gonna be alright. I mean who cooks for you and then kills you? He kills you.
In Chicago, John Gacy ordered a big meal of Chinese take out food for himself and the 19 year old fellow he'd picked up. A few hours later, Gacy threw the strangled youth's body into a river.
everybody watching right now wtfff hahaha
Horrific story, glad he was caught.
Yes, Nilsen blew his cover, he flushed human flesh and bones down the toilet and it clogged up the pipe and drains, he was caught when the drainage company got suspicious and called Police.
It's legal to just have random bonfires outside your flat???? Neighbours will call the police for a little music but not this???
It was the 80's
@@leejones8582 yeah I was just going to say things were very different in the 80s..
This episode is just insane. Who clogs drains with dismembered body parts?
I love that this channel has 2 different Nilson specials and they use 2 different actors to play nilson
Why does the uk have the worst real crime docs. But the best tv crime series ?
@CRAM MARC Detroit is the ghetto of Miami.
Haha, the music is so over the top and the narrator screams, as if he'd be trying to make a boring football match more interesting. Weird style choice, but kind of fitting considering some British media outlets. ^^
It’s the accent.
They have the worst everything
There's a new Sundance show starring David Tennant about this man called "Des" 🤓
Just watched it the other night. It was so good. David Tennant was amazing and it was chilling without even showing one murder or body.
I grew up with a serial killer...they will never admit anything even though the proof is in pudding..as grandma used to say..he is on death row..STILL!..soo sad..he killed innocent people and yet he still lives...makes me wonder about how justice is actually served.
Who is it?
There are those who are born with no conscience. The how or why remains a mystery.
But why does being born with no conscience cause some people to want to murder others? What causes the drive to murder people with no clear motive ?
Not really....psychopaths brains are different. They dont feel empathy, have poor impulse control and often get high from murder. It's like a drug to them, which is why they cant stop, or are able to only stop for periods of time. Often they are narcissistic, so they think they can get away with it.
Exactly. Got a crimnology degree.
@@johnnyflannigan136 I've always found it fascinating how these serial killers can easily detach themselves completely from these horrific killings and go about their normal daily routine as if nothing had happened. It's like they view their victims as insignificant lifeless objects. I suppose a normal person can never understand how the mind of a serial killer works.
"What was done to me created me"
Not that inteligent if hes flushing them down the toilet lol
The UA-cam algorithm suggesting too many cannibal serial killer videos
It really breaks my heart that parents treat their kids so horribly and create monsters. His mother should be ashamed of herself treating him so coldly. He was a lost child, and his mother lied to him about his grandfather, never comforting him after his passing, causing him to only love people who were dead. It’s sick, twisted, and tragic, really. So many of these serial killers become killers because of their traumatic childhood, and often show signs of mental instability which goes untreated for years because the people who are supposed to love and protect them, fail them. It’s really sad. Mental health is so so soooo important, and it’s not hard to see the signs. What really blew my mind is the fact that he didn’t even understand why killing people was “such a big deal” because he was never loved and cared for by his family, and he completely lost his marbles after his grandfather-the one person who loved him-died. He doesn’t understand the pain, grief, and sadness he caused for all those families of the men he killed because he never knew what it felt like to be loved by his family, and his mother completely warped his conception of grief and mourning. That man is sick in the head and it’s disgusting the way he killed those men without any remorse or feelings. I’m glad he got caught, but I truly hope that he gets some type of psychological attention and help. Deep down, he’s still that little boy who felt like the black sheep, the odd one out.
God this is disgusting, you’re empathizing with a serial killer
it's def NOT true that serial killers become that way because of their traumatic childhood. the majority of people with traumatic childhoods do NOT become serial killers.
@@johnLennon255 I sympathize with the abused child and the psychology behind them however it doesnt mean they HAD to murder. They chose to kill and therefore deserve no further empathy or apathy. Then again i am a weirdo.
"...that's not my Dennis... that's not the boy I knew..."
I ♥️this channel so much! ✌️❤️😊🕵️♀️
It just shows the craziness of the law, and not only in England, but especially in the whole of Europe! It doesn't matter if he has killed 15 or 150 people the outcome will have been the same ! Life in prison but with possibility of Parole after 25 years ( because now he was a good boy??😊)Thanks God one person took action and finally he died in prison...
@Chuck Blankenship I really dont care, as long he is gone forever..
@Chuck Blankenship No he died of an aunerysm. Luth Luther has a channel here at YT and one episode show premises of a couple of serial killers. Nilsen drowned victims in his kitchen zinc, there's scratchmarks on the cabinet.
Not only in Europe, it is a world trend to make sentences more flexible in the name of "rehabilitation", "reintegration", "dignity of the prisoners" or whatever they call those stupid excuses ... it seems that the rights of criminals are more important than those of decent citizens, and those of victims in particular.
@@klarahvar566 I completely agree with you ! When some of this Monsters killed someone, and especially little children, it's like nothing special happened! But if you say , I want the death penalty for this type of proven murder, it's like you are a bad person,everybody screams at you, since in their mind you are worse then the murderer himself !!!
@@hanslaurentius2976 Exactly! I always say that there is a huge difference between the crime of a cruel murder, and justice through a peaceful death by lethal injection.
Edit: Just in case ... I'm not from the US
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Whoa this one was Wild!!
Very sad. May all those men rest in peace.
I think they rest in pieces
Such a waste of time and money to keep something like this alive.
1:12 cheers to home boy hitting his dome
What in the hell a 14 years old (his first victim) doing at a bar at that age.🤦🏻♀️ I have a 14 years old and to me he’s only a child. Going to a Bar will never be on his mind period.
Period.
Question mark.
Sounds like the kid was gay during a time when homosexuality wasn't as accepted by society. Maybe the parents made him feel ashamed and he thought the gay bar was a safe place. Sad really
thanks for sharing.
what do you want, a medal?
1:13 anyone else see him hit his head on the car lmao
He really treated people like shit 🚽
Sometimes I wonder if, after theyre captured, what drove these people to commit murder is as important as the lives they took. I mean who really cares what his childhood was like?
The STREETS will never forget this MAN
That guy that does the autopsy talk so soft and gentle... what made him decide to pick that occupation.
"How many other Dennis Nilsen's are there?"
Jeffrey Dahmer: Allow me to introduce myself
Dennis Nilsen I killed some men,,Jeremy Dahmer hold my beer Dennis,,lol..
Each time i watch these shows i thank God there is another life where good and evil will live SEPARATELY forever & eternity .
Doubt it
@@johnLennon255 that would be your bussiness .
Isnt there a mini series about this killer? It aired about month ago, played by David Tennant.
Where at? I'd like to watch!
the first of three hour-long episodes aired last Thursday on the Sundance Now streaming channel.
Well dammit. I really wanted to see this too.
Yes, it was really good. Tennant was incredible, as usual.
Big shout out 2 all of us who been threw a bad childhood an not turn into a serial killer
This needs to be on the show "Very Scary People"
Does anybody know the name of the narrator? I like his voice. It is casual and dramatic at the same time and yet it keeps a properly respectful tone.
I think it's a Journalist by the name of Fred Dinage he has done a number of crime documentarys including being the biographer for the "Kray twins "
@@DP-rx6zf Thank You!
Brian Masters is superb. I read about Dennis when I was very young in the late 80s. I studied him well in several books and documentaries. Have Brians Masters book called "Killing for Company" about Dennis. I can recommend the Documentary Born to Kill about Dennis also. It's describing and showing his egocentric ways a tad better on self-recorded footage.
I also liked that doc on Dennis. Did scare me in a weird way. Started me digging around for any other info.
@@denisekristen7620 You found some? Dahmer and him both had that Dont leave me concept. MANY killers have that. Its because they are not only Psychopaths who discard other people but they are narcissists who needs others to stimulate their ego, surely also their inner loneliness. So the Narcisissm is combined with Psychopathy. With Dahmer I see signs of schizoid perhaps. Just want to be left alone combined with psychopathy and perhaps some tiny autism. People like Dennis were weak and couldn't hurt a flie. He got people drunk and spiked them a few pills and gave them a shower and drowned them easily. They were mostly weaker than him. There was that gay guy who ran from him though. Shows he was not that strong or dominant. Dont despair Denise:) Unfortunately 85% of Serial killers are typical sadist strained types going for women. So, not good in your case. Me they wouldn't get near. I am a large muscular guy:) I am just kidding. I think we live in more safe times over-all. People just don't know each other that well no more and neither do they have the ambition to learn one another. Its quite sad.
@@denisekristen7620 Denise, check out john george haigh. They made a real good movie about him called: "10 Rillington Place" Its a guy who buried people in the house walls and drains around 25-35 years before Nilsen in same city of London. I have the movie on DVD. Its really good.
@@Cosmic_Code acid baths. Thats what comes to mind when I hear that name.
@@denisekristen7620 Oh yea:) The acid bath Murder. Indeed. You should really check the movie though. Its good and realistic made.
12:56 "Hello, everyone. This is The Act Man here."
I flush one tampon and my toilet breaks
Lots of parallels with Jeffrey Dahmer.
His first victim's last name was the same as a horrific serial killer in Chicago at the world"s fair at the end of the 19th century.
Don't try that in my dad's toilet it will never go down lmao.
Haha. Did you try?? ☺
So the argument was "he didn't k why it was wrong to kill ppl" but then the guy goes " he knew he was guilty" that's a contradiction lmao if I knew I was guilty then I'd understand why it was wrong to kill 🤷♀️
Pure Evil 😑 Happy Holidays Everyone 😁
It's appalling to me that such a friend got away with so much. It's disturbing to me that the police constables didn't pick up on the fact that Mr. Neilson was crying out for help all along. Having all the evidence near him and around him, he wasn't trying to cover it up, he was taunting police. His nonchalant manner of fact or displacement made him not reckless or careless, but, cold, calculating, and distant. Very detached. I wasn't surprised when he said, since when are police interested in back drains. As if to say, you're not plumbers or sewer maintenance workers. Very sarcastic and caustic. Just the start. Next time, pay attention to what is said. Listen carefully, it's chilling what you'll learn. m.t.lopez
You knew him personally?
@@charlesp.7124 Thank you for the question. Answer: No. Just giving my point of view and perceptive synopsis. Is that alright with you?! Didn't mean no disrespect or offense. m.t.lopez
@@mariateresalopez9833 none taken by any means sorry if i made you feel like that ,that wasnt my goal at all i just was curious and intrigued because i thought you knew him based on your comment 😅
I thought you knew him personally too based on your comment 🤣🤣 Did you mean to say" fiend" rather than "friend"?
It’s really crazy that he and Jeffrey Dahmer are so similar. They both committed their first murder the same year to a victim with the same name (just spelled differently). Both were homosexuals, they both had a great dislike of being alone, both were alcoholics… it’s crazy!
Ikr, and both their first victims names were Steven.. :/
When i saw the title about flushing body parts, first thing that came to mind was "Mr Muscle" !!
Interesting.