Hal Thoughts on Dezignful Quitting Mid Scrims after Argument with the TEAM
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00:27 What happened
04:58 Hal Thoughts - Ігри
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Dezign just needs to iron his mental and get comfortable being uncomfortable.
Yup, if its not a perfect situation he loses his mind, homie needs to toughen up
@@jns08d he's quoting Dezignful during his first tantrum.
Yeah, he's a fucking brat. I get he wants to win but his attitude is so nasty. He needs to change that shit. He's got a big head.
He won't bro a real pussio , since g2 same sht . Idk why this dude is still picked up , bro is a deadbeat
This shit here got me through my work day though 🙌
Ironicaly calmest dezign has been this whole split
No cap lol, my ears aren't being blown off, man's not louder than timmy here? Dam
Rezignful has returned for the 25th time in his career
Just like alberiale. That’s why they can’t win anything. They’re looking for the easy way out
KEKW love that version of his name. Well deserved
I got banned from his twitch for saying that in chat and I don't regret it lmao
guess i know what to do later lol
@@kingzulwarn6053
@@kingzulwarn6053 lmaoooo
you can tell how much hal respects raven. yesterday he trolled and raven called him out, and now he's admitting his wrongs and teaching dsg not to do what he did.
when you let a team cook for long enough they start producing results, apex has a weird problem of constantly shifting players around. they need to let players develop a proper understanding of each other. dz and tsm for example no glazing just fact that because they have been together for so long they have a deeper trust with each other than a team who has been together for less than a year lol
@@candi_appel nah fact, but i feel like dz aint the prime example of that lol, they switch quite a lot
@@billnye778he meant gen and zer0 the core of the roaster just like reps and hal have been together in what feels like alot
raven has always been right when he lets em know, thats what i like about him as a coach.
@@candi_appellook at other esports like Halo (only cause I tune in enough) but most top teams in halo haven't had many roster changes till recently and they were like major team swaps. Otherwise the teams that swap the lot of people in Halo were the teams that were not performing the best. Some teams did have major swaps but that is like one of the only roster changes they really had in the game since it came back. Halo is not Apex by any means but still esport is an esport. You got it with teams fail you got to let teams build you got to let the chemistry build between the players it's the only way they will trust each other and rely. If none of those things are able to happen then something must change. And I feel bad for enemy cuz he's kind of getting the same treatment guild got from sweet last split. Which we all know how that went for gilds mental and skill during that time.
honestly i love hearing hal coach, i think if he retires from comp one day, he should definitely coach, he has that mentality lol
Hal will teach how to unplug your earphones and throw a controller….
@@mcolquitt22i could teach you how to do that
hal said he could never coach bc hed want to play instead of coaching and itd anger him coaching bad players
@@aziandomination16 he wouldn’t accept an offer from a bad team, he is the most decorated player in the game. that would be like the best player in a sports league being offered to play on the worst team. I doubt he would coach anyways, he has made enough money that he wouldn’t have too, only if he wanted too, so i think he would choose what team he would coach i see where your coming from tho.
If Hal retires apex dies
This is actually the calmest discussion between them I’ve ever heard lol
"Well thats not how you win the game" enemy is too funny man 😂
shit killed me bruh 😂
The immaturity of some Apex pros is staggering lol
Most players are barely out of their teens
tbh this type of stuff isn't uncommon in sports in general
They all kids, what to expect
@@ryleyy3well that’s not an excuse lmao. Only the pro gamers are the ones that are immature. An average 18 year old in the real world is going to be more mature than any “gamer” if they’ve experienced having a job, friends, or a girlfriend
@@SoulHydronE-sports. Real sports teach you discipline. Unless it’s basketball haha
I don’t care what the problem ever is, you cannot ever quit on your team when you’re supposed to be the IGL/entry fragger. Quite literally the one thing you don’t ever do.
He’s just letting emotions get to him becuase of built up frustration. It’s not even this specific thing most likely, it’s just him being mad they aren’t doing better. Hal did this once during TSM’s lowest low as well, but with Dezign this stuff is constant and he’s literally known for these issues. I say this as someone that really likes watching him and thinks he’s a great player.
Okay pro player.
@@angelrivas4042 he is right tho
Idk, if I were in Dezign’s place, I would feel like being quit by my teammates when literally every suggestion i gave was denied while discussing earlier failure.
Not saying what he did is ok, but I understand why.
@@RuMaow Yeah, he isn't this malicious manchild people love to paint him as. He's extremely passionate and it is frustrating when you go along with teammates' suggestions (like unironically playing Catalyst) and when you want to give something a try you get shut down instantly.
Just results in a release of the built up frustration from sucking ass the past few weeks. He knows they're a better team than this.
Designful just has to come to work,leave the jitters at the door.
underrated comment XD
@@DraxxosHe needs to get comfortable being fuckin uncomfortable
I like that hal is being super Nice/being helpful to timmy
yeah its obvious that ever since Timmy was on Hals radar he liked him, just that he's simply not reliable enough to be on TSM, Timmy's whole gimmick is that he makes erratic plays, this video of him playing is a good example
For how long they have been playing scrims and everything, comp selection shouldn't really be a issue at this stage, them consistently changing comp leaves no room to actually improve using a comp but it seems they want to change to a comp and immediately play good and dominate every time
Idk this season is different. So many possibilities with all the perks. Scrims in where you try new comps.
season changed this opinion is fair but season changes are massive, ofc they're gonna try different comps
@@icwiffacee3288 I don't think you understand how many times they've already changed their comp, other teams have pretty much passed this point that they seem to be stuck at, other teams are improving and polishing their selected comps, not swapping it
@@SirtyDanchez I'm not saying they shouldn't be trying new comps at all, I'm saying they should've passed this stage of trying brand new comps and disagreeing on it between themselves, other teams have pretty much passed this stage that they seem to be stuck at, other teams are improving and polishing their comps, not changing it every time they play
@@TheTopStarz that’s a fair point
giving your opponents information is true passion
Dezignful is a great player but dude needs to get a grip.
dude has the weakest mental in the game
dude was 100% right. hal literally said he agrees with design
@@erickbenavidez9621 honestly think its just a result of him crying wolf at this point
@@loudamir7390 like dude was 100% right though, not to mention timmy didn't ult. one good ult and design could've got 1 or 2 knocks while the enemy is stunned. or they could've just created space and reset. like overall timmy was shit in this last fight tbh.
@@erickbenavidez9621 huh? Hal said that everyone shot down Dezign's idea, not that he was right. Hal even admits that Dezign wanting to play Horizon wouldn't do anything after she's been nerfed to shit. Go rewatch the clip
bro came to work and left 🤯
"I don't know if you were saving your Bang ult for ranked, but you should have threw it"
Hal giving some really insightful analysis there. End of the day you’re a team and you have to respect each other, and sometimes that means doing something you don’t necessarily agree with. Worst case scenario you show them that what they suggested is wrong and you ultimately get to the correct solution, best case he is right and you’re a better team because of it. But blowing him off just exacerbates the situation and ruins team morale
Isn't Timmy voluntarily giving his paycheck from DSG to both his teammates ? And Dezign does that ? Embarassingly immature
Timmy has an infinite money glitch. That dsg contract ain’t anything to him.
I thought he was giving it only to Enemy, to help him pay his medical bills. I really dont know
Either way, abhorrent behavior.
Who cares about money when you can't even win a fight.
@@ALLOFTHEBOOSTDumbass
@@eduardocristaldo6403 timmy is playing for free
That's wild. It's scrims, you don't quit on your team like that when you're supposed to be the leader. The team needs to trust the leader enough that they fall in and follow his call, even if it ends up being the wrong one, when it comes down to it. If they can't trust him to even show up, there's no shot they're getting anywhere.
Why did he not Bang ult? Bro that was the first thing that crossed my mind as a bang main LOL
First thing that crossed my mind having 200 bang kills over 5 years 😂
@@megatallica100 ummm no between 3 accounts I have about 12k or so nice try though 😂
@@ravenrektgaming2602 well, the point is that I barley play bang at all and I still saw the play… which clearly went over your head, but nice dude.
@@megatallica100 oh my bad bro i that you were talking about me hahaha
@@megatallica100 and the fact that you're questioning to really speaks for Timmys bang gameplay hahaha
I think Dezign's mental is what's holding them back, not to shame on the dude either everyone has their demons. I think Timmy/enemy should have just tried his comp idea and also be more precise with their communication towards it instead of saying just "no we're not doing that" But with Dezign's mental that never feels good enough to say to someone like that sometimes you just gotta be straight up and not let these type of people have their way even if it seems like the wrong time to do. If Dezign takes a moment to breathe and just lays it all out and his POV instead of just alt f4 quitting everytime it gets this serious things would actually playout instead of falling apart. It's okay to breathe, break and bounce back.
Why doesn’t design want to play caustic or Valk but wants horizon so bad ? Sounds like a crutch to me and his unwillingness to be able to conform adapt as pro is kinda sad. There is always a team that falls to do so when there is a meta shift.
Because for some reason he thinks that Horizon will be able to keep pace with Bloodhound in a fight. Which Hal is correctly identifying that it's literally impossible unless you're going to play Octane/Rev with Hound. You can't set the pace of the fight with a character ability that makes you move 30% faster and expect other characters that don't have movement abilities to keep up with you.
@@RMG_Banditbut i'm wondering why he always begging to use horizon when something doesn't happen the way they want, like when he was used conduit then they lost the fight, he start yelling and begging to let him to use horizon
He gave a reason for wanting to pick Horizon. That reason being that he feels like they are loosing there team fights
Horizon is a character that is known for being good at team fights, hence him wanting to try her out
His reasoning is perfectly valid. And its understandable for him to be frustrated that his team isn't willing to give his idea's a chance
But quiting mid-scrims was a immature way to handle it for sure
The question is why is enemy so set on not playing horizon lol, its scrims who cares they can test all that
@@tyrellturner5602 sorry but if u need an horizon to win team fights against teams that aren’t using her there is some worse going on than hero picks 😂they need some fucking get gud.
Dezign cant be this oblivious, he has no comms, pushed with good coms. I dont get this guy
hal wearing evans merch is awesom
IMO it is on Dezignful as the IGL to make the calls and take the responsibility. In this one clip he wanted to fight but I don't feel like he made that clear in coms, and when he was pushing, Itztimmy was healing. So Dezignful making a call to fight when his team isn't ready is a fault. Yes, a bang ult is a good idea here to relieve pressure, but Dezignful threw the fight by pushing up too far when his team wasn't ready to fight. As Hal said, Horizon doesn't fix this, and Catalyst did nothing for them as well. Wattson would be great to deal with grenade spam and ults, but that still doesn't fix the issue of Dezignful being thirsty too soon. Valk is great because it allows the team to get into a better position together and maybe even take a better fight (aka slows down Dezignful and keeps them from taking chip damage while trying to get out of ring). I agree with everyone that this team is frustrated from not finding success when they are obviously talented enough to do so and constantly swapping comp isn't helping them find their groove.
I’m not sure why they are playing BH valk and caustic. Especially in world’s edge. Every one is running caustic so they need a caustic to have a chance in fighting a caustic team. They also play edge so it doesn’t make sense why they don’t use valk. It would make their rotations more efficient. Not sure who wanted to try catalyst but that is a bad pick. Right now you have to run a caustic or a Watson otherwise you’re just going to get killed so easily. Catalyst does nothing for the team in this meta. But yeah the bang ult might’ve relieved pressure but I think they needed that for the third party. What they needed was a caustic and design playing slower. I’d have to rewatch but someone needs to tell him to chill and take it slow. The reason I think they needed caustic is because that caustic ult took so much space. There was only one direction they could come from to fight the team. With a caustic, the caustic could’ve taken in angle on the rocks where the ult was. But yeah design was pushing a fight by himself when Timmy called out that he was healing.
there is no BUT just fucking bang ult
vibes in this team are chalked. feels like timmy and enemy dont trust dezign, but dezign is supposed to IGL them.
designs pretty much constantly proving that he doesnt grow and work on his faults
Design sounds and acts like a teenager
Haven’t got recommended Zipp for A year at least, now it comes up
Exactly!!! What are you keeping the bang ult for?
wonder whats the counter comp for blood caustic valk, caustic wattson + something else?
i dont think any org will want to work with him if he keeps this up.
Hal spoke facts here
I didn’t see a 3v3 in that video. They just got out poked and it was GGS
I mean they’re scrims so why not try something new for a couple games?
The thing is that they're not learning anything by constantly changing legends. They're not refining, but just trying to see what sticks.
Timmy and Enemy are trolling though, even Hal saw that.
Timmy has almost zero experience in pro play, but us otherwise possibly the best player on the freaking planet. It should ve anticipated that odd studd stuff will happen and be used as a teaching moment.
@@ReasonMakes not true. Timmy is very mechanically gifted and in conversation for best player mechanically, I'll give you that but there's a few players in that conversation (Ezflashkid, Zer0, Yukaf, obly, funfps... There are some monsters mechanically in Proleague). Also to the rest of your statement; Timmy has three challenger circuits and now nearly a whole Proleague Split and a LAN under his belt. There are less experienced players in Proleague who are doing better than DSG. This is a team issue with Enemy and Dezign not getting along (Enemy finding Dezign belligerent and rude and thinking Dezign is out of touch with the meta, and Dezign thinking Enemy is careless and stupid, and thinking the team isn't figuring out the meta so just play an off meta comp that plays to fast 3 v 3s), not "Timmy is still learning" issue. Timmy and Bronzey are probably the only parts of that team willing to work with the team, the issue is Dezign is making it way easier to side with Enemy by just leaving mid scrims.
cause his ego was touched slightly in his mind. so he had to cry and leave.
@@deykuzor he said experience in pro league not experience on keyboard and mouse lmao.
exactly why didnt timmy throw his ULT when dezign scanned going in hmmmmmm
It amazes me that anyone plays with him, let alone Timmy.
Please someone tell me the title of the og stream so I can watch it
Isnt the point of scrims to experiment with comps and see what works? Perks have shifted the Meta so EVERYONE is experimenting but his first intuition is to go Horizion, BH and bang thinking that'll do anything?
Dezign doesn't like Enemy at all. When the chemistry is off between two players it throws everything off.
No one likes Dezign, the guy is always blaming
@@nerveinz6453 I like Dezign. I respect people that tell others the truth regardless of how anyone feels.
@@BrandonStrugy Then when he got asked about his mistake he just stay silent.
Whole time in my head im thinking the same thing... THROW UR BANG ULT DOWN EARLIER
I use to think Hal was a walking delusional road rage of a person, but I was so far from the truth. I’m a huge Hal fan, things may getting heated because of the passion for the game, but this man is the CEO of apex. Best IGL in pro league, always setting up his team in the best position of the game, and what happens in game stays in game when it comes to his teammates. They have a tough day in scrims or ALGs, Hal’s mental, and his teammates mental are reset the next day.
whats with bloodhounds reticle at 4:21?
the CEO spitting
Why not throw the bang ult to counter theirs??
i mean wtf was timmy doing holding bang ult for so long ending up not even using it XD
Hal was really really trying to help an be very fair , gotta respect it
The coach needs to speak up more and try to diffuse the situation/pressure
A lot of these gamers never been out never had actual good conversations with anyone in their life’s I get it is competitive but man is scrims for you to improve not quit and cry and run away childish.
So thats how level fights are, you just see your squad dies and you never see the enemy
Timmy holding onto his bang ult for season 21
They don't gel that's just it. Why no bang ult like wtf. I can see he's point but also he has attitude problem.
Dogooooooooo in background :3 sleepy potato
Dezignful has a point in that you don't change up the game plan on a whim - especially in a competitive environment. However, he also needs to control his emotional outbursts more. It's not helpful and comes off as childish, entitled and obnoxious. It's very unprofessional and if you need to have those conversations - do them privately. This entire thing has been blown out of proportions because it was done publicly.
Timmy has the talent to win any tourney keep that negative energy somewhere else honestly
timmy needs to slam his fist on the table and say "listen mf's we will do such and such" i feel like dezign should probably igl inside of the game but timmy should definitely decide macro decision and compositions and shit
The thing is Timmy isn't really good at that....he's a top player and fragger but at an individual level. He can be the best on his own but asking him to lead a team really won't work with him
@@fabriceras9562 that's why i mean dezign should igl, also mnk fragger is contradictory by itself. basically every successful mnk player brings value in different ways then fragging. and i think Timmy's strong suit definitely is macro and possibly compositions (even tho there's obviously a lot of experimenting necessary especially if you don't really have a coach)
wht is tim holding bang Ult for the lobby?
Why would they not try new comp in a new season with all kinds of options in scrims where everyone plays like ranked anyway
What stream was this so I can see it
Anyone notice that in EVERY argument Dez always go for Enemy first so no one blames him,,, yet he si always the one causing the L. Like what was he doing here so spread out making them focus him for a spam of grenades
Dezign says "let's sneak up on a seer time crouched". With a heartbeat scan. And no comms after they get shot at other than go right. Bad calls.
Why wouldnt timmy use his bang ult to create space for them!!!
At 3:16 Timmy is right. Using Caustic to slow or attack a Caustic team is a good idea. Generally when I see another Caustic team I play in enemy gas on push and it works wonders especially since nox vision rolls over and has a perk to extend. And smart barrels always can create space for ground control. But these poor guys don't seem to gel and never have to me. Chemistry and communication is important to finding a good comp.
seems to me they just didnt have any leadership in the fight. idk who is supposed to be their IGL but there wasn't much there.
idk why dont enemy just give it a try 1 round , i mean its scrims right? he can learn the hard way that its not working , or maybe its gonna work with them
That's what I was thinking
Wasn't iiTzTimmy reacting to Dezignful rage clips a few weeeks ago? 💀
Next level game analysis, i played since season 1 but i still cant keep up with how they think
With how much is going on at one time, it’s kinda hard to not get frustrated.
First thing I said before the fight was even over wtf did timmy hold his bang ult 😂
design might be wrong on the comp but he's right on the approach. They're far too passive there for far too long. Their only play in that situation is to force forward. Playing forward and left sandwiches the team zoneside. Anything else gets them killed. Timmy should have ulted then pushed once he popped a bat. They didn't have time to pop a medkit too. Nor could they afford to drop back to enemy.
Im new to apex so i cannot understand what call is right or wrong BUT you always do as the igl says.Even if he is wrong especially at scrims you act professionally and discuss it after the game without quitting and leave the team hanging
He did it again??
clearly they are having trouble with the meta shift
hal rockin a verhulst shirt lol
I do not follow them, competitive Apex or anything related to them, but i did watch the Timmy's video about that tournament, and i already had thought that it was a toxic enviroment. Again, i've seen only a few instances, but man it's always been heated
Why did they even pick him up? What good does he do to a team with that mentality?
Hal is right
Does this mean you guys are gonna add Timmy
Can someone explain why Timmy didnt use neither his smoke nor ult?
oh hal asked the same nice
dezign just needs to see doctor and get some help and come back when hes healthy tbh.
I'm not the biggest Hal fan, but he was absolutely right in this video.
1. Why the fuck didn't Timmy Bang ult at all? He literally died with it, which is so troll. There was a perfect alley with a choke. They had height, why not?
2. No matter how fast they finish that fight that 3rd party team is coming unless they have evac/valk
3. What would the harm be in taking 1-2 scrim games and trying it.
4. Playing Catalyst in Caustic meta is troll. Caustic gas goes through catalyst walls.
hal is right, enemy just saying "nope" and shit not even talking is so disrespectful imo, if ur not gonna try it ATLEAST give him the reasons why
It’s amazing to me that they didn’t go after someone like Gent, literally were teammates lol. But they’ve got him signed so I’m sure they buyout or whatever and then needing to add another would not be fun or even viable.
Honestly timmy probably should have Ulted when he said he wanted to. They got pinched by one team and the original team that would have got spaced away by the bang ult ended up swinging them AND would have given them time to fight the team that pinched them.
Edit: sorry didn’t realize hal said almost exactly that. didn’t get to that part of the video yet
design is cooked, caustic is just better because he counters the rest of the caustics and it doesn't take until end game for his kit to be effective like with catalyst
wouldn't be surprised honestly
Dezign is correct if he is the IGL, he has a team second guessing every decision he makes. But it doesn't make sense being the IGL in the lead with a legend who is better suited for backline scans. I'm not even close to pro, but even Hal who is an IGL plays the movement character because when he says move you have to move with him because he knows how to get into and out of the fight. Timmy also needs to speak up a little more, he is focused on the game so much that they speak over him while he is second guessing the IGL the other two are already in a predicament.
Timmy died with his ult he didn’t take any accountability
At some point the team chemistry might not be fixable and you need to change something.
wait i dont watch apex nor play the game, but what im getting from this. Hes mad because of how they died but wont switch up the comp which im guessing is the agents or whatever they use as he doesnt want to 'change up all the game plans', in scrims where that would be a nice time to test out new strats/comps/gameplans... what am i missing here
so dsg coach do not say shit about the comp debate between enemy and dezign? holyy
design might be a bit wrong in regards to the specific game they just lost but the fact they want to do their own thing and change everything theyve tried to practice while not listening to what their igl wants to do is super lame and puts everyone at odds so id assume they wont be playing together much longer
The problem isn’t the comp. You can’t kill them quickly because you were ulted and you got 3rded. Is he expecting Horizon to just fly them up and over the ults and smoke? You still get beamed in the air.
BUT Timmy could have saved them with his Bang ult. Keeps 1 team back for a little and maybe they can wipe that team.
Glad timmy isn’t listening to him Dezignful wanted them to push with him while timmy and the other dude was in a enemy bang ult. I wouldn’t listen to Dezignful if he was screaming in pain the guys not an IGL he tries to be but isn’t far from it
I mean dezign is at least 33% credit on why they got 4th last year, he has skills for sure but that comes with a hard debuff for team improvement over time lol
I mean he need to adapt meta no doubt he has great skill he just need to adapt.
1st Don't quit on your team like that. 2nd Hal's right its worth trying, if for nothing else to appease Dezignful. If it doesn't work move on.
why does he wear a shirt that say Verhulst?
timmy shoulda admitted he shoulda threw his bang ult but he didn't, if he did, maybe they would be alive.
I don't understand why they wouldn't try the comp the igl wants to try. They are trying the most off the wall comps already, why would an older meta not be worth trying? This seems so stupid. I don't get how you can bring fuse and wraith into the discussion and shoot down horizon lmao.
But he also is a loose cannon, it must be so frustrating when you don't want to deal with this shit and he is so aggressive about things. But at the same time, you know you have this wild ass guy, it seems like adding fuel to the fire to just tell him no to something that is really important to him and just trying it for a scrim day is not that big of a deal imo.
Whoever was in Hal's chat mentioned that they tried it before. Enemy sounds like he wants some kind of consistency and DSG's comps have been off meta with pretty nerfed legends. They need to follow the META because at this point they're killing themselves.