@@jjeremyhunterr their entire life is on a video game. They don't go outside to develop any type of emotional maturity with people that aren't on the internet.
yep, but worst thing is, they dont even want to, had a friend like that, who always yelled at me for a video game. I stopped having contact with him it was not endureable with him. I told him often he should stop and learn to handle things with a gentle tone and respect hahaha cant win against a kid@@hopey4100
Verhulst is getting comfy especially now that he has 100% job security. But Hal needs to know when he is wrong. He is not the type of guy to admit easily, I honestly think what Evan is doing is actually healthy for Hal.
Exactly, and it is! Hal’s emotional immaturity is obvious to everyone over 20. It wasn’t OK when Michael Jordan did it either - someone who was objectively head and shoulders above the rest (Hal won multiple LANs but that’s more a reflection of league dynamics and team skill vs pure IGL imo…). Evan’s now on par with Hal speaking loosely, but his soft skills are YEARS ahead.
“Ok Evan you satisfied your chat.” Hal did nothing but act like a b***h for 9 minutes…and this is coming from someone who usually takes Hal’s side on things. Man tried to prove his point for 2 minutes, and then the other 7 he just wanted to win an argument.
I been around people like that trying to win arguments and refuse to be wrong no matter what facts you bring in as much as I like Hal his abit annoying
Verhulst pushed Hal against the wall. Hal quivered. Verhulst sternly whispered in Hal's ear, "I'm the igl now". Hal fell to his knees. Defeated. "Now let me see that Halussy"
I'm so glad Evan finally got that off his chest. Yes, they've been winning, but that can't be enjoyable having your teammate just scream at you consistently.
I wish my teammates would tell me when I'm alone, but alas, it's Apex. You're responsible for knowing your surroundings and where your teammates are. This is nothing new.
imo not that hard to do but honestly can get scuffed at times so I feel that. I'll keep checking the map and be like *they're right behind me* and then I turn around to double check and they're a mile away even though on the map we're side by side
@@timkelly6463this is usually the case, but hal did have a point about them going inside. If they were 10m away from him when the other team started running through, and when hal died his team was 20m away from him, thats their fault. He knew his team wasnt on top of him, but he did not expect his team to get fuether away from him after the enemies location got called out. Thats why they even admitted that was a comms failure, even though they disagree that the decision to go through the building was bad.
@@connormanion9627 true, Hal not coming that he was pushing definitely could be wrong. I think he has a solid argument tho when he was saying they need to be more aggressive, and on a more aggressive team you can assume that comming someone's location means you are pushing them (assuming you're healthy like he was). But you're definitely right, hals emotions are almost certainly why they died, he needs to get better.
He's a much more respectable guy that way, especially when he compliments his mates. But bad plays with bad comms has always bad results, unless they work it out between games.
It’s kind of funny that Hal says “let’s push through the door” and then just leaves them, dies and rages at his friends. They literally listened to you Hal, it was completely your choice to flank alone. I could never play with such an annoying human being. Everyone copes with the whole “that’s what it takes at a high level” or “he just has high standards”. It’s dumb, he has no respect and no self awareness. Hal is insufferable and immature.
as one of the smartest players in the game he absolutely made an excuse that "I didn't know i was alone!" Well then open your eyes and pay attention to where your teammates are? Thats what he does best majority of the time so we absolutely know that was a lie and he made a bad play.
Okay. After rewatching this fight. Reps says he’s going with Evan. Hal notices an enemy running toward the back two doors so Hal wide swings the back two doors thus over extending. Evan clearly tells Hal “their coming to your doorway” at the 2:14 mark. Hal could have Q’d himself out of there or stopped pushing and observed before finishing the swing. Hal pushed anyway after hearing Evans coms then Hal gets fried by two guys in the doorway. Evan gave good coms and reps told the team he’s going with Evan. All coms were clear, Hal just got thirsty.
Yea man, he knew he was alone and he put himself in a bad position and got fried for it. Any time he overextends and dies, he complains that they didn't tell him he was alone but if it were Evan or Jordan over extending he rages at them for being out there along.
He heard evan commed that the guys went to his door. He even agreed. He just didn't expect to go down that immediately. Other thing is he assumed evan and reps got their way inside the building already, thus sandwiching the team inside. Though it's only all in hal's head. That's why the first word that comes out of his mouth everytime he's downed is "why" because he didn't take into consideration his team's status.
Hal better get ready, big E is evolving to be like Snipe! It's funny to see Hal trying to sweep it under the rug when he realized Evan is getting serious. You can sense it in his voice and clearly see it in his face at the end. LOL
in a respectful way like Timmy did, that whole thing was great for Even. Anyone saying "it's his team" stfu owning something doesn't give you a right to yell at people...trash ass world we live in making dumbass people think this is okay...
@@doctorkrelaa u stfu, u do know that this kind of igl'ing is what won all algs lan tournament right? Hal and zero are the only lan winners and yep they yell because they are passionate and believe that the team can be better.
I don’t think it’s personal, Hal just got a giant ego and isn’t comfortable getting put in his place so he has to say little dumb shit like that to help himself feel like he’s maintaining some kind of control in the situation.
@@alexpopov6661 If that’s the case then it is personal. Then he’s just attacking Evan because he’s insecure about not keeping a level of authority and emotional control over his friends. It’s pathetic, and Evan knows it.
@@Biggest-OunceI wouldn’t include the word friends when they are playing the game seriously. I’m assuming they are playing scrims so they are playing as a team not as friends. Different dynamic in my eyes instead of ranked or sum shit.
@@yuuki3343 disagree. It’ll teach him a lesson. If you don’t make it in his team, then go to another team with excellent players it’s not like TSM wins every year they have lost before
@@peterpiper3790 you can leave tsm without physically hurting someone. You're worse than hal that way. That being said, it's still a bad idea punching someone after making a bad call. Keep it in the game.
5:52 when Evan tried to prove his point and everyone brushed it off here, kinda feels like TSM don’t wanna hear him out which gonna backfire long-term when something worse happens in scrims 😂
Here's a thing I'll say as a person thats coached some high level teams, both professionally and personally, accepting feedback, for many people is a really tough skill to develop. For many people getting feedback on areas where they get to improve is really difficult to manage, because they see any perceived error on their part being called out as basically a personal attack. They think that people calmly discussing areas they could improve, is somehow them saying "you're a bad person"....Thats why Hal isn't accepting the criticism, he's just letting insecurity about his own self image poison the actual positive things Verhulst is trying to say, this in turn sets off Verhulst, because he's putting himself out there and basically getting slapped down I guess what I'm saying is this: 1. Giving feedback is uncomfortable, you don't want to hurt anyones feelings, particularly your teammates and friends, so do it with empathy and positivity always. Recognise your own imperfections and always reinforce that you're coming from a place of trying to aid development, not trying to belittle anyone. 2. Getting feedback is always really tough, but you need to understand that people are trying to help you by giving this information. What's more, they're trusting you as a person enough that you're not going to throw it back in their face and that the camaraderie you have will be deepened through whats basically a trust sharing exercise. Anyway, just my two cents
the issue is that Hal is notorious for this, you're adults at the end of the day, accept the criticism and especially don't shit on your teammates and don't expect them to shit talk back. Hal isn't accepting criticism because he never does, he always rages at his teammates, even if you told him "you pushed alone to that side without telling us while we 2 were together" he would still find a way to turn this around.
@@DarkDyllonHal can accept when he’s wrong though. Let’s not act like he can’t see mistakes every time. I really just think that if the mistake isn’t visible clear in his head his ego will just keep him from accepting he’s wrong.
THANK YOU. Someone who actually understands what they're talking about. All these armchair psychologists comments saying things like "hal laughing at the end because he doesnt even care" don't understand that its just hard to take criticism and he was probably laughing because he was uncomfortable which a perfectly normal reaction not because hes some giant asshole.
You can't really compare it like this tbh. Although Hal has more wins in ALGS. But honestly without reps or Evan Hal won't get the trophy for this year because there are a lot of decisions that Evan made has won them the game. Most of the winning cat wall this year was actually Evan's call@@krichvesroy
@@krichvesroybro what kindve retarded question is this.. skill doesn’t matter it’s accepting the fact Hal got greedy even when Evan told him they are coming his way and still swung that’s on Hal
We don't see what happens off stream but evan is pretty careful whenever he calls out Hal. Everytime he does you can tell its a legitimate criticism or call out
That's what makes him a respectable player. One that doesn't immediately turn a smoke into a fire. I do hope evan can still keep up the patience to understand hal and his mistakes 'cause that guy's ego won't ever go down.
First Timmy to Dezignful. Now Evan to Hal. These mellow-headed gamers are standing up for themselves and im here for it💯 Hal is an amazing player but Evan aint wrong.
I understand they're a team and there's roles assigned but it's hilarious how everyone was like whoaaa Evan calm down as soon as he defends his position, while hal was bitching for 2-3mins and nobody says anything 🤣
Imagine running into a 1v3 acting like you’re that guy and blaming your team because you died 😂 especially Verhulst the man who carries you constantly because you die to stupid decisions
Finally Verhulst says something about Hal's continuously toxic behavior. Verhulst and Reps don't deserve to get bitched at every time something goes wrong with the entire team. If i was talking to someone about something serious and they just started laughing and excusing my outburst as me doing something to impress other people, I wouldn't want to be around that person anymore.
You can kinda tell that Hal is a lil bit sad from what Evan said, but I think it's a good way to let Hal kinda think as well. Cause recently he has been making quite a lot of mispositioning mistakes. And he needs a refresher after this.
There's nothing wrong with being mad and venting, but how you do it is essential. Being on the receiving end of the venting would get annoying. I think Evan wants Hal to vent more positively or skip the venting phase and watch the vod and criticize the events that happened. From first-hand experience, it's too easy to vent to your teammates when you're mad, but this behavior doesn't typically promote a constructive and positive environment. Most people improve faster in a positive environment(there are studies on this).
Agreed. Venting up also helps relieves tension, since it can let off some steam from high paced situations and also can open up discussions. But recommending this to only take a minute or two. Blame who you want to blame, argue who you want to argue, but it's better to choose the words that ain't too personal. Evan and jordan can do this too. Blame hal for his shtty plays, blame jordan and evan for their shtty plays. We already know tsm is like this, so let them vent and rage as much as they want to within 2-3 mins. Then take another minute for a breather to think, then discuss calmly what has to be discussed. This is how important raven's role comes into play. The most important here is how they will handle the situation after venting.
Evan bites hit tongue so much, he chooses carefully what to say, Hal just goes off lol. Everything said was valid, raven came in clutch with the clarity lol
Hal pushed the team without saying anything then blamed Verhulst for not being near him. As verhulst confidence in his skill grows he will be able to deal with less and less of hals shit talk and the team will fall apart
He may forgot to comm but read the situation better as he followed the enemy team rotation on point and the other two went into the most uncomfortable position even Hal had an open space and they could push with the digis, the other two trapped each other in the building
U know its bad when jordan also agreeing with hal, so yeah thats that. But evan's point on hal definetely isnt wrong, and actually good thing for them.
@@michael08269 yeah. It’s nice to see he’s willing to speak up but also that Hal is more willing to say when he was wrong. Was good of raven and reps also for tryin to help defuse the situation.
It's funny how when Hal is flaming Evans, the others let him rant and even back him up, but once Evans starts clapping back and making valid points, then they wanna cut him off and be like "chill, it's fine, go next"...Fuck that, LET HIM COOK!
Hal over extended and didn’t tell them where he was going. Was too late even if they decided to push back outside to the other doors. The other two didn’t tell Hal they were breaking those doors and pushing inside instead of wrapping around. Both are at fault. Could have easily been the other two getting 2v3 instead of Hal’s 2v1 though. They got split with no coms and it was too late to adjust (unless Hal realized earlier and backed off). Edit: the other two could have told Hal he was alone when they saw him pushing the other door and to back off.
Hearing Hal and how he functions with his team sends me back to when I used to work in high volume restaurants as a line cook/expo. You gotta be able to handle the heat, not just the challenge. But I can’t imagine coming off work just to deal with this sort of shit at home lol much less hearing or watching people communicate like their 12 tickets behind on orders and banging their head on the grill 😂 This is jobless ppl entertainment
It sucks seeing how stubborn Hal is, he definitely has a huge ego , but he’s also has insane passion and is the best team fighter EVER , so I understand, but still he always wants to be right , when he throws or messes up his teammates never grill him, why? Bc they know it happens and go next, I think he yells just as a personal thing tbh, every good players knows their mistakes and move on, it happens.
Hal bringing Evan's chat simply shows his ego got hurt lol
Totally unnecessary comment from Hal to make himself feel better.
nah fr tho. I would of lost my shit on hal after he said that
I’m A Balkan & so is Hal, it’s in our culture as men to have fragile egos hahaha
he’s a ethug laughs when confronted doesn’t actually speak about it after like the rest
i think its actually because he doesnt conceive of him genuinely being wrong, therefore it must be an ego play on evans part.
Even the most positive player has his limit.
After facing resignf now he had enough with ceo
Its true. Khabib said that one time
When the nice guy loses his temper, Hal shivers.
Hal was being serious, and when E actually gets real then Hal wanna laugh it off and ignore his criticisms
schrodinger's douchebag
Yeah Hal may be the GOAT but he also has the emotional maturity of a moody teenager
@@jjeremyhunterr their entire life is on a video game. They don't go outside to develop any type of emotional maturity with people that aren't on the internet.
yep, but worst thing is, they dont even want to, had a friend like that, who always yelled at me for a video game. I stopped having contact with him it was not endureable with him. I told him often he should stop and learn to handle things with a gentle tone and respect hahaha cant win against a kid@@hopey4100
Ego protection
Verhulst is getting comfy especially now that he has 100% job security. But Hal needs to know when he is wrong. He is not the type of guy to admit easily, I honestly think what Evan is doing is actually healthy for Hal.
It feels like Hal respects Evans opinion more than snip3.
Definitely healthy as long as it's not ego driven.
yeah, snipe was dogshit@@orkodork2764
Hal earns friends not enemies he is always on top that's why everyone hates him but he is the one
@@pushkalmithulol this is the weirdest comment ever. Why do you worship him?
Finally verhulst embraced his inner snipe thus became V3rhulst.
Hal: Nobody told me I was alone! Hal: running away from his team after screaming to push in through the door.
yeah, Hal can gtfo. CEO my ass
He literally knew in the moment, he just got fucking fried and need a scape goat.
I’m crying 😂😂😂
How you gonna call a play and shit on your team for 10 minutes because they executed the play and it failed
I would've told him... That's your problem, stick with the team and stop playing like a bot.
That "satisfied your chat" thing felt disrespectful, felt like hal doesnt even respect evans opinion/criticism
Exactly, and it is! Hal’s emotional immaturity is obvious to everyone over 20. It wasn’t OK when Michael Jordan did it either - someone who was objectively head and shoulders above the rest (Hal won multiple LANs but that’s more a reflection of league dynamics and team skill vs pure IGL imo…).
Evan’s now on par with Hal speaking loosely, but his soft skills are YEARS ahead.
@@t3e_ethe thing Hal and most people forget you can be competitive and not be an asshole I learned that growing up Hal is still mentally a child
Evan is really slowly getting to their level. You can see the improvements since Year 2 when he joined TSM. @@t3e_e
It was actually weak, its Hal realizing his bad habits and trying to salvage his ego.
Very very disrespectful
And reps and that other dude shoulve backed verhulst up
Verhulst getting ready to transform into V3rhulst
😹😹no way
Everyone gangsta till he pulls out the classic CoD insults😈
Once you see the Xx_V3rhulst_xX gametag, it's over.
I like Verhbussy tho 😅
verBUSSSSY
“Ok Evan you satisfied your chat.”
Hal did nothing but act like a b***h for 9 minutes…and this is coming from someone who usually takes Hal’s side on things. Man tried to prove his point for 2 minutes, and then the other 7 he just wanted to win an argument.
I been around people like that trying to win arguments and refuse to be wrong no matter what facts you bring in as much as I like Hal his abit annoying
Hal just is and always has been a crybaby. His fragile ego can’t handle being told anything that doesn’t align with his way of thinking
How do you take Hal’s side lmao😂
@@samroper5435 for real xD
@@samroper5435 on apex related matters? Considering he’s won like a million in earnings, I’m sure I have good reason lol
Big E bout to walk over to Hal’s room and show him who the igl irl is
big E’s gonna samantha the ceo
Verhulst pushed Hal against the wall.
Hal quivered.
Verhulst sternly whispered in Hal's ear, "I'm the igl now".
Hal fell to his knees.
Defeated.
"Now let me see that Halussy"
@@blackbeardteach1193ayooooo… 😅
@@blackbeardteach1193bro? 😂
@@blackbeardteach1193 r34
I'm so glad Evan finally got that off his chest. Yes, they've been winning, but that can't be enjoyable having your teammate just scream at you consistently.
ikr 3x goat for ya
Facts
Straight up
LoL, Hal going to push alone and it is not him fault :D classic Hal.
I wish my teammates would tell me when I'm alone, but alas, it's Apex. You're responsible for knowing your surroundings and where your teammates are. This is nothing new.
imo not that hard to do but honestly can get scuffed at times so I feel that. I'll keep checking the map and be like *they're right behind me* and then I turn around to double check and they're a mile away even though on the map we're side by side
@@timkelly6463this is usually the case, but hal did have a point about them going inside. If they were 10m away from him when the other team started running through, and when hal died his team was 20m away from him, thats their fault. He knew his team wasnt on top of him, but he did not expect his team to get fuether away from him after the enemies location got called out. Thats why they even admitted that was a comms failure, even though they disagree that the decision to go through the building was bad.
@@connormanion9627 true, Hal not coming that he was pushing definitely could be wrong. I think he has a solid argument tho when he was saying they need to be more aggressive, and on a more aggressive team you can assume that comming someone's location means you are pushing them (assuming you're healthy like he was).
But you're definitely right, hals emotions are almost certainly why they died, he needs to get better.
@@timkelly6463that’s literally every competitive shooter goofball. Why would you rely on someone else for your own situation awareness?
Hal always gets mad at people but whenever people match his energy he stops arguing and laughs everything off
He's a much more respectable guy that way, especially when he compliments his mates. But bad plays with bad comms has always bad results, unless they work it out between games.
bec. he wants to be a STAR in the team, when in fact its a TEAM BASE game. I wish apex has a Solo tourney and let see hal can be that goat.
It’s kind of funny that Hal says “let’s push through the door” and then just leaves them, dies and rages at his friends. They literally listened to you Hal, it was completely your choice to flank alone. I could never play with such an annoying human being. Everyone copes with the whole “that’s what it takes at a high level” or “he just has high standards”. It’s dumb, he has no respect and no self awareness. Hal is insufferable and immature.
He’s the ceo of apex. Keep crying
@@NovusInc Hope he sees this bro
exactly this. He ran off and flank alone and got caught and raged at his teammates.
as one of the smartest players in the game he absolutely made an excuse that "I didn't know i was alone!" Well then open your eyes and pay attention to where your teammates are? Thats what he does best majority of the time so we absolutely know that was a lie and he made a bad play.
@@JoshDoesits also his teammates responsibility to tell him to hold if he calls a push and they arent ready or able. And that didnt happen
Okay. After rewatching this fight. Reps says he’s going with Evan. Hal notices an enemy running toward the back two doors so Hal wide swings the back two doors thus over extending. Evan clearly tells Hal “their coming to your doorway” at the 2:14 mark. Hal could have Q’d himself out of there or stopped pushing and observed before finishing the swing. Hal pushed anyway after hearing Evans coms then Hal gets fried by two guys in the doorway. Evan gave good coms and reps told the team he’s going with Evan. All coms were clear, Hal just got thirsty.
Yea man, he knew he was alone and he put himself in a bad position and got fried for it. Any time he overextends and dies, he complains that they didn't tell him he was alone but if it were Evan or Jordan over extending he rages at them for being out there along.
@@PatB22 Facts
He heard evan commed that the guys went to his door. He even agreed. He just didn't expect to go down that immediately. Other thing is he assumed evan and reps got their way inside the building already, thus sandwiching the team inside. Though it's only all in hal's head. That's why the first word that comes out of his mouth everytime he's downed is "why" because he didn't take into consideration his team's status.
Great analysis for those that didn’t watch the video but why do you care so much lol
@@deluxebulls5939 I care about a game that I’ve been playing for 3 years now.
Hal better get ready, big E is evolving to be like Snipe!
It's funny to see Hal trying to sweep it under the rug when he realized Evan is getting serious. You can sense it in his voice and clearly see it in his face at the end. LOL
Big E see timmy stood up against dezign and he do that to hal XD
Except its hal's team, always has been.
in a respectful way like Timmy did, that whole thing was great for Even. Anyone saying "it's his team" stfu owning something doesn't give you a right to yell at people...trash ass world we live in making dumbass people think this is okay...
@@doctorkrelaa u stfu, u do know that this kind of igl'ing is what won all algs lan tournament right? Hal and zero are the only lan winners and yep they yell because they are passionate and believe that the team can be better.
@@doctorkrelaathis guy is still the softest commentator out of everybody he reported me because the truth hurts him 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@szethh2013 His team. They're not his slaves.
Hal could literally murder a human being and Raven would be like "what the fuck Evan?"
All facts
😭😭😭😭
LMAO
Omg fr 😐
you can see that Hal doesn't take Evan serious the way he laughs and basically implies that Evan is just doing it for his chat.
I don’t think it’s personal, Hal just got a giant ego and isn’t comfortable getting put in his place so he has to say little dumb shit like that to help himself feel like he’s maintaining some kind of control in the situation.
@@alexpopov6661
If that’s the case then it is personal. Then he’s just attacking Evan because he’s insecure about not keeping a level of authority and emotional control over his friends. It’s pathetic, and Evan knows it.
@@Biggest-OunceI wouldn’t include the word friends when they are playing the game seriously. I’m assuming they are playing scrims so they are playing as a team not as friends. Different dynamic in my eyes instead of ranked or sum shit.
@@alexpopov6661 extremely good way to word it.
@@G.dot_ they have repeatedly said they are best friends. nuff said.
I friggin love Reps man. He's a pure anchor in-game and IRL. TSMs success can be directly routed back to him being solid ground for the team.
Even isn't wrong not every time but a large amount of time Hal ranges before seeing the full picture
Trash Ohio native and can’t spell but puts Dr after his name. Society is doomed 🤡🤡🤡
Evan got EA positive player of the year and thought "Fuck it"
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I.e. the doormat award.
I'd probably feel disrespected too😂
It's nice to see Evan stand up for himself and call Hal on his bullshit.
yea finally I would have punched hol from way before
@@peterpiper3790not a good idea mate. I know your frustration too, but i wouldn't recommend it. It'll get worse results. A calm discussion is better.
@@yuuki3343 disagree. It’ll teach him a lesson. If you don’t make it in his team, then go to another team with excellent players it’s not like TSM wins every year they have lost before
@@peterpiper3790 you can leave tsm without physically hurting someone. You're worse than hal that way. That being said, it's still a bad idea punching someone after making a bad call. Keep it in the game.
@@peterpiper3790bum
everyone is saying to verhulst that “it doesn’t matter” but then why does hal’s rage matter
Jordan and Raven easing up the tension w
5:52 when Evan tried to prove his point and everyone brushed it off here, kinda feels like TSM don’t wanna hear him out which gonna backfire long-term when something worse happens in scrims 😂
Verhulst changed after seeing Timmy stand up to dezignful , mans not taking shit anymore after that 😅😂
Hal had nothing to say after Evan started talking 😂😂😂😂
Immediately shut down lmao so weak. “Lolz ok it’s not that serious” after 3 minutes of one way bitching
Reps and raven: heyyyyy guyyys chillllll plz
I think Ravens true role on the team is being the “peacekeeper” 😂😂
Big E Lost It! He LOST IT
Here's a thing I'll say as a person thats coached some high level teams, both professionally and personally, accepting feedback, for many people is a really tough skill to develop. For many people getting feedback on areas where they get to improve is really difficult to manage, because they see any perceived error on their part being called out as basically a personal attack. They think that people calmly discussing areas they could improve, is somehow them saying "you're a bad person"....Thats why Hal isn't accepting the criticism, he's just letting insecurity about his own self image poison the actual positive things Verhulst is trying to say, this in turn sets off Verhulst, because he's putting himself out there and basically getting slapped down
I guess what I'm saying is this:
1. Giving feedback is uncomfortable, you don't want to hurt anyones feelings, particularly your teammates and friends, so do it with empathy and positivity always. Recognise your own imperfections and always reinforce that you're coming from a place of trying to aid development, not trying to belittle anyone.
2. Getting feedback is always really tough, but you need to understand that people are trying to help you by giving this information. What's more, they're trusting you as a person enough that you're not going to throw it back in their face and that the camaraderie you have will be deepened through whats basically a trust sharing exercise.
Anyway, just my two cents
Sometimes you find gems in the comment section.
the issue is that Hal is notorious for this, you're adults at the end of the day, accept the criticism and especially don't shit on your teammates and don't expect them to shit talk back.
Hal isn't accepting criticism because he never does, he always rages at his teammates, even if you told him "you pushed alone to that side without telling us while we 2 were together" he would still find a way to turn this around.
2nd point is gold
@@DarkDyllonHal can accept when he’s wrong though. Let’s not act like he can’t see mistakes every time. I really just think that if the mistake isn’t visible clear in his head his ego will just keep him from accepting he’s wrong.
THANK YOU. Someone who actually understands what they're talking about. All these armchair psychologists comments saying things like "hal laughing at the end because he doesnt even care" don't understand that its just hard to take criticism and he was probably laughing because he was uncomfortable which a perfectly normal reaction not because hes some giant asshole.
Verhulst got his positivity award and now on his villain arc.
raven is so wholesome for de-escalating the situation and making everyone understand each other at the end
He's a coach for a reason. He knows exactly this will happen after they won algs and crowned as the best team.
hal: u r making a mistake and u shd accept my criticism
also hal: cringing when verhulst told him he made a mistake
bro i felt like big E was yelling at me
because, how many did hal ALGS won without evan? and how many Evan win without hal
You can't really compare it like this tbh. Although Hal has more wins in ALGS. But honestly without reps or Evan Hal won't get the trophy for this year because there are a lot of decisions that Evan made has won them the game. Most of the winning cat wall this year was actually Evan's call@@krichvesroy
@@krichvesroybro what kindve retarded question is this.. skill doesn’t matter it’s accepting the fact Hal got greedy even when Evan told him they are coming his way and still swung that’s on Hal
We don't see what happens off stream but evan is pretty careful whenever he calls out Hal. Everytime he does you can tell its a legitimate criticism or call out
That's what makes him a respectable player. One that doesn't immediately turn a smoke into a fire.
I do hope evan can still keep up the patience to understand hal and his mistakes 'cause that guy's ego won't ever go down.
First Timmy to Dezignful. Now Evan to Hal. These mellow-headed gamers are standing up for themselves and im here for it💯 Hal is an amazing player but Evan aint wrong.
Timmy already left once. No one likes childish toxic igl’s
hal was smiling at first he was happy to see verhulst talk back against him lol
"No one told me I'm alone"
Minimap: "Am i a joke to you?"
Fk Hal's attitude, tbh.
They need to look at the map and eachother more
You can't do that when enemies already in front of you.
i dont know how verhulst put up with his shit for so long
I understand they're a team and there's roles assigned but it's hilarious how everyone was like whoaaa Evan calm down as soon as he defends his position, while hal was bitching for 2-3mins and nobody says anything 🤣
Thats true as hell lol
Imagine running into a 1v3 acting like you’re that guy and blaming your team because you died 😂 especially Verhulst the man who carries you constantly because you die to stupid decisions
Finally Verhulst says something about Hal's continuously toxic behavior. Verhulst and Reps don't deserve to get bitched at every time something goes wrong with the entire team. If i was talking to someone about something serious and they just started laughing and excusing my outburst as me doing something to impress other people, I wouldn't want to be around that person anymore.
You can kinda tell that Hal is a lil bit sad from what Evan said, but I think it's a good way to let Hal kinda think as well. Cause recently he has been making quite a lot of mispositioning mistakes. And he needs a refresher after this.
lol that bang who keeps going down to zone
“Nobody told me that I’m alone” is a wild take 🤦♂️
He snapped 😂😂😂
Evan said, “pissing” oh no….
Surely Hal can afford to put the heating on in his house! Dude looks cold!
Too much equipment in the room bro. It needs to be cold
My boy Verhulst bout ready to start his villian arc 😂
Evan got inspired by Timmy shouting back at dezign
"doesn't know what happened and starts complaining..." I can relate 😅
There's nothing wrong with being mad and venting, but how you do it is essential. Being on the receiving end of the venting would get annoying. I think Evan wants Hal to vent more positively or skip the venting phase and watch the vod and criticize the events that happened.
From first-hand experience, it's too easy to vent to your teammates when you're mad, but this behavior doesn't typically promote a constructive and positive environment. Most people improve faster in a positive environment(there are studies on this).
Agreed. Venting up also helps relieves tension, since it can let off some steam from high paced situations and also can open up discussions. But recommending this to only take a minute or two. Blame who you want to blame, argue who you want to argue, but it's better to choose the words that ain't too personal. Evan and jordan can do this too. Blame hal for his shtty plays, blame jordan and evan for their shtty plays. We already know tsm is like this, so let them vent and rage as much as they want to within 2-3 mins.
Then take another minute for a breather to think, then discuss calmly what has to be discussed. This is how important raven's role comes into play.
The most important here is how they will handle the situation after venting.
Studies that I won't quote, but they exist!
@@JM_Tushe
You have Google don't you
I mean hal lost his fight on the flank... knowing his team was pushing through... then got mad about being alone
2:08 zero comms from Hal.
Reps is the glue, “ were playing in 4 months” best who ever did it 😂
GET EM EVAN !!!! /// we need a snipedown reaction to this !!!!!
Evan bites hit tongue so much, he chooses carefully what to say, Hal just goes off lol. Everything said was valid, raven came in clutch with the clarity lol
Hal pushed the team without saying anything then blamed Verhulst for not being near him. As verhulst confidence in his skill grows he will be able to deal with less and less of hals shit talk and the team will fall apart
Damn bro Evan tellin him what’s up
Raven and Jordan playing the parental roles 😅
Big E turned into Big D real quick 👊🏽🔥 he’s about to go nutty
Hal looked right at them on that left side then went to the right side on his own... then asks why was he alone...🤦🏻♂️
He may forgot to comm but read the situation better as he followed the enemy team rotation on point and the other two went into the most uncomfortable position even
Hal had an open space and they could push with the digis, the other two trapped each other in the building
U know its bad when jordan also agreeing with hal, so yeah thats that.
But evan's point on hal definetely isnt wrong, and actually good thing for them.
I think all this shows is that Cat is still OP for comp. That's all. Also, 2 of 3 on controller, is bang the best option here?
Bruh how can you say nobody told me I was alone 😂
Here in Mexico we have a saying for Evan's reaction "Al chile que bueno"
Verhulk has entered chat
One word- passion.
*Hal very clearly sending it by himself without saying anything*
WHY DIDN'T YOU COMM THAT I WAS OUTSIDE ALONE
Hal SHOULDVE said he had 2 on him, Hal SHOULDVE made sure he wasn’t solo pushing, maybe he SHOULDVE played with the team.
I’ve never heard Evan actually speak his mind. It’s good to see.
Previously Evan spoke back to Hal as well and Hal actually apologized for it
@@michael08269 yeah. It’s nice to see he’s willing to speak up but also that Hal is more willing to say when he was wrong. Was good of raven and reps also for tryin to help defuse the situation.
you didnt have to photoshop his wyebrows so hard 😂
Big E finally getting comfortable and EGOing Hal is awesome
evan going full design mode
Evan is a man at the end of the day. You can only take so much rage.
Evan after playing with dezingful and timmy is diff diff 😂😂😂😂😂. He is BIG E now😂
Those smirks tell me that unless they reach an understanding off stream, Hal did not get the message
tbf its not even if its correct or not in the moment if the shot caller makes a call you just do it and then address it after.
good for Evan, the student has become the teacher
It's funny how when Hal is flaming Evans, the others let him rant and even back him up, but once Evans starts clapping back and making valid points, then they wanna cut him off and be like "chill, it's fine, go next"...Fuck that, LET HIM COOK!
Wasn’t nobody running at him 😂
Timmy gave him the courage
Good, sometime their IGLs be tripping lol
crazy to think that a player speaking his mind is somehow news lol. “EVAN RESPONDED AND DEFENDED HIM SELF!! HE SPOKE” like what
About time, well overdue hal just be raging
We get an “EVAN TALKS BACK TO HAL OMG CRAZY CLICK HERE” every like month or so. It’s SO crazy
I’m ngl people like Hal do need to be put in their place. Cuz this kinda of situation does affect others especially when it is a reoccurring thing.
i like how reps is in this
Hal over extended and didn’t tell them where he was going. Was too late even if they decided to push back outside to the other doors. The other two didn’t tell Hal they were breaking those doors and pushing inside instead of wrapping around. Both are at fault. Could have easily been the other two getting 2v3 instead of Hal’s 2v1 though. They got split with no coms and it was too late to adjust (unless Hal realized earlier and backed off).
Edit: the other two could have told Hal he was alone when they saw him pushing the other door and to back off.
Love how the team doesn't let one thing get them down need more teammates like this and not bully solos either.
evan would snap hal’s toothpick body in half
after Evan played with Timmy and Dezign he knows whats bad rage and evan needs to call hal on that more so hal can become a better leader.
Hearing Hal and how he functions with his team sends me back to when I used to work in high volume restaurants as a line cook/expo. You gotta be able to handle the heat, not just the challenge. But I can’t imagine coming off work just to deal with this sort of shit at home lol much less hearing or watching people communicate like their 12 tickets behind on orders and banging their head on the grill 😂
This is jobless ppl entertainment
Hal needs to start respecting the new CEO.
hal-"why didnt you say im alone".............dude you have a map
this is the 1st time I feel like Big E was gonna grab Hal through the mic & strangle him.
Nah Hal should have comped he’s pushing right to go with him
It sucks seeing how stubborn Hal is, he definitely has a huge ego , but he’s also has insane passion and is the best team fighter EVER , so I understand, but still he always wants to be right , when he throws or messes up his teammates never grill him, why? Bc they know it happens and go next, I think he yells just as a personal thing tbh, every good players knows their mistakes and move on, it happens.
Aye im ngl evan pressed his ahh 😭😭
thank god for couch raven mans jus holds down this team
Thank god for Raven