Been a fan for a while. I have used the silicone for a while, I have layered it and painted between layers, and finish it up with some floor varnish and it comes beautiful. To help smooth it a little soapy water and latex gloves and use your fingers, then dab with stick to get peaks. Good vid, often wondered if it was worth the hassle of proper water effects, now I know Thanks.
Thanks so much for posting this. Answered a lot of questions. Never got around to buying the Woodland Scenics because the cost always seemed to high. Sounds like the gel medium is the solution for what I need!!
Your The man Luke . Knew there would be a low cost alternative . The WS range is marked up so much on all their stock you can easily shop in the Railway Hobby suppliers for equal alternative . Then by the time these hit the shelves in Oz it costs a Kidney
Very useful tutorial, thanks. I have have had good results with PVA glue but I used the EVO-STIK Weatherproof adhesive. It dried nice and clear but you are right, you do have to keep working it as it dries or it levels-out.
I like the effect of the acrylic medium. Also, the silicone is harder to manipulate, so that already gives the medium a plus for me, since my skill in this is noob level. Thanks for the video!
Nice test thanks! The mod podge and acrylic powder could be used to make the effect of waves breaking. In combination with the 007 or the medium gloss might look awesome.
Great info! I made a 6 by 4 gamingtable for axis and allies war at Sea and used transparent acrylic silicon ( approx. 3 pound/tube, needed 2). I found out that IT was easier to work with IF you Put/smooth IT out with dishsoap.
Thanks for the tips and the comparisons between alternatives. You presented some very attractive alternatives to the more expensive modelling-dedicated products. I'll be hitting up my local home-improvement store for silicone caulk next time I want to create water effects!
This video helped me out so much in deciding what kind of gel to get for a small beach diorama with a float plane. Hopefully I'll be able to do this before years end. (decided to go with the liquitex gloss gel medium. Now I gotta figure out how to make the water look turquoise/blue .
A TIP for spreading the transparent sylicone ore polymer sealant. DIP YOUR FINGER IN VEGETABLE OIL TO SMOOTH THE WATER OUT. Great work, very good comprehensive tutorials. Thx for the ideea man...I've just made my first diorama and I nedeed a cheap water effect solution. I wanted the water to simulate a mountain river with smooth areas in places. After a few tries a think a have a TIP :) just dip your finger in vegetable oil (in my country the most common one is sunflower oil, but i think any will do) and smooth it out wher you want it. I got a very good result with a slight glossy finish!
To cut your drying time down significantly... Get a simple de-humidifier. Moisture and cold temp. are the biggest factors in dry time. So spend the money for a cheap de-humidifier and you'll be glad you did! Cheers.
great video, you took the time and money to test a variety of products to help others with water effects, I appreciate it because I'm definitely going to try the silicone , thanks
It would have been nice to see the fully cured state for these tests. It looked like the WS product had a higher level of detail than the other products and it would have been nice to see how it looked when it was fully cured. The Mod Podge with acrylic powder looked a hell of a lot like frothy water. Things like a base of a waterfall or the crash of a wave. I didn't see ice when I saw that, I saw beaches. It also would have been nice to see the acrylic medium fully cured as that could be a dual purpose product. If it's brushable you can use it as a substitute for both 'ardcoat like products and water effects.
I used GE Silicone I for a project and was able to smooth it out with a popsicle stick dipped in rubbing (isopropyl) alcohol. Anytime the stick stuck to the silicone I'd rewet the stick or even use it as dispenser to wet the silicone surface. I'm not familiar with 007, so this method might not work with it, but it may be worth a shot.
Awesome test, thanks. I a looking at doing a harbour and beach in N gauge and will try the silicon BUT I like the mod podge look for my waves on the beach part. What a clever mistake! :)
I found something for the "this takes way too long to dry" problem: In this video watch?v=63W29bmwfBk at timestamp 4:40 he begins to talk about how acrylic mixed with silicone is basically an instant-dry paste because of how silicone sets and how acrylic is made up. Actually, the entire first half of his video is moderately interesting for answering the questions from yours, so go watch that I guess.
Excellent video just what I was looking for. I really like your channel and the many money saving ideas you are offering. Living abroad (in Croatia) it's not always as easy to access/find/afford all the tailor made stuff for my crafts. You cannot beat a cheeky cheap alternative!
when I was screwing around with some silicone a while back I thinned it down with lighter fluid. It didn't smell good but I was able to get a nice placid lake. so if you find it too thick try a small amount to make it more pliable.
From using it at work I know a bit about the silicone Calking. First using it hot is yuor friend. Bowl soem water, take it off the heat and put the tube in. Let it sit in it for about 15 minutes and the result will surprise. It will flow out at a near water consistency. Also it has a interesting property. Dish soap won't stick to it. Mix up a small bowl of water and dish soap, dip any clay molding tools you might want to use in it and the you can tool it without it sticking to the tools you're using.
The modge podge and acrylic powder seem like they would be perfect for doing ocean surf ... did they stay sort of whitish or did they go completely clear over time ?
Hi Luke, how would you recommend getting a smooth-er effect with the evo-stick? Its great for ripples and waves but if i want to lay it a bit smoother, what should I use? Also if I want to make a waterfall effect, what should I lay the evo-stick on so that I can peel it off easy? It's meant to stick to tile so not sure how easy it would be to get off once dried/set?
Hi again, for the next phase of my project, to create waves, I would like to try clear silicone instead of gloss medium gel. But is it compatible with EnviroTex Lite? Because that's what I used to create my water feature (after getting so much issues with Woodland Scenics Realistic Water). Thank you!
silicon can be thinned with mineral spirits it slows the curing time a little bit but if you wanted to self level or fill in little gaps it's the way to go
Perfect vid Luke! Use a bit of spit or water on your finger or sculpting tools with the silicone and you'll find it much easier to work with. Keep it up
G'day mate, just want to say... big thumbs up on your vids, every time I watch one my creative juices start a flowing. I've got some ideas I want to try out when im off on spring break from teaching. Oh and also, you got a mention from black magic crafts as well mate, for the £ store water/resin effects.. that just shows now mate that your name is getting out there 👍🏻
Thinking about joining facebook again just to join the group, you've inspired me to give model scenery a shot. Thank you for all this wonderful content!
Hey Luke, Interesting video. Just a thought, if the silicon is the best finish but a little on the thick side, is there a way of thinning it just a tad?
I used Woodland water effects to put some motion on my rcreek flowing into the lake. Like you I did not want to wait for wver to dr. I Borrowed one of my wifes curl maker hair blow dryer./ I went over theWater effects for 20 min. and after 3 hours all was dry .
great vid as always - I can second the idea to add some white spirit. It makes it stink even worse and it takes longer to dry but can help with the workability a lot and white spirit is dead cheap too :D
Hi, about the gloss medium gel, I've used Liquitex Gloss Super Heavy Gel to create my waves. Since it's not thick as I though it would be, I had to add to many thin layers on top of each other. I didn't have the patience to let each layer to fully dry (3 or 4 days at least) so I added a new layer every two days. But now it's been more than 10 days and the lower layers are still white. I am starting to think I made a mistake. Is it gonna become clear in weeks or months to come or is it gonna stay like that white and cloudy? Should I use a needle or a hobby drill to make tiny hole through the lower layers to allow them to "breath" and dry? I also try some of Woodland Scenics water effect solutions and I only encounter problems. So never again I will buy Woodland Scenics products. Thank you!
Just for clarification, it appears that Evo Stick Clear is actually "Silicone Free" (first item on the label), so anyone who lives elsewhere (like the US) and is looking for an alternative, don't buy silicone, it's different! I'm trying to figure out what the equivalent would be here (otherwise I'd be paying $25 to get Evo Stick shipped over), I think our best bet might be Lexel Adhesive Caulk, says it won't yellow and that it's 19x clearer than silicone, which seems like it lines up with what the Evo Stick is doing. The good news is, they even sell it in a little squeeze tube, so it should work well for our hobby. Going to have to go to Home Depot and see if I can't track some down.
Glad you took my comment the right way :) I think it'll be fine too, just thought I'd ask if it was written on the bottle. What happened to the "comin at ya like Cleopatra" intro? That made me laugh my arse off when I first heard you say that :DDD Cheers Luke, Keep up the good work :)
MM, thank you for this, i have been out of the purchasing department for a bit and pretty much..well.outta touch, good to know all this. All i have is the melty beads to make water they sorta suck..and modge podge. Which..from what im seeing here..grrr..im sorry this is an old vid but it didn't seam right to post it totally out of context on the board a year after it came up. ANYWAY i digress, i know some pretty old tech's and with modge podge it isn't different. To build layers we would use ceran wrap, cellophane, sticky cling wrap (whichever its called now) take strips and modge em down, shape, brace and so on, it dried fast and if you were lucky you could find the holiday wrap in blue, to add varied blue's to the mix, the thicker the layers of wrap the deeper the color. It sticks, well enough, to itself to be able to shape it. So, experiment on that one of these times, i haven't seen anyone do it in the 20 or so people i watch. Good luck, and really the base of it, have fun!
I just used some liquitex gloss gel medium for my river, but it seems a bit of the raised bits won't dry clear. Is that normal? How long should I wait for it to cure?
Have you ever thought about using a large bottle of elmers clear glue? I'm building an n scale layout and I had dry glue sticking on the edges and it was dry and it looked like clear water. Ima try that :D
Great stuff Luke. I'm looking at doing a large wave (surfing size) for my guildball team (ever heard of it?) Been thinking on how to go about this and the silicon might be the answer. Thanks
What was the full name of the 007 ? been trying to locate on ebay. I am working on my Lizard men army very soon.aslo do you know of a away to remove super glued mini's off their bases ? want to re base some minis I got off ebay.
It does look easy but I live in a one bed flat and I don't have anyway to keep a 2 foot bore laying flat for 24 hour's I was wondering what you think about the 007 stuff
Lukes Aps oh great thanks luke. I was planning to do with glue and water, I'm not sure where to get the alcohol. I thought on using the one being sold at pharmacies
Been a fan for a while. I have used the silicone for a while, I have layered it and painted between layers, and finish it up with some floor varnish and it comes beautiful. To help smooth it a little soapy water and latex gloves and use your fingers, then dab with stick to get peaks. Good vid, often wondered if it was worth the hassle of proper water effects, now I know Thanks.
Thanks so much for posting this. Answered a lot of questions. Never got around to buying the Woodland Scenics because the cost always seemed to high. Sounds like the gel medium is the solution for what I need!!
Your The man Luke . Knew there would be a low cost alternative . The WS range is marked up so much on all their stock you can easily shop in the Railway Hobby suppliers for equal alternative . Then by the time these hit the shelves in Oz it costs a Kidney
Very useful tutorial, thanks. I have have had good results with PVA glue but I used the EVO-STIK Weatherproof adhesive. It dried nice and clear but you are right, you do have to keep working it as it dries or it levels-out.
The modpodge would be great for the frothy effects at the bottom of water falls or for really heavy waves.
I like the effect of the acrylic medium. Also, the silicone is harder to manipulate, so that already gives the medium a plus for me, since my skill in this is noob level.
Thanks for the video!
Nice test thanks! The mod podge and acrylic powder could be used to make the effect of waves breaking. In combination with the 007 or the medium gloss might look awesome.
I've only just discovered you a week ago and I've learned so much. Thanks for all your hard work and sharing.
Great info! I made a 6 by 4 gamingtable for axis and allies war at Sea and used transparent acrylic silicon ( approx. 3 pound/tube, needed 2). I found out that IT was easier to work with IF you Put/smooth IT out with dishsoap.
Thanks for the tips and the comparisons between alternatives. You presented some very attractive alternatives to the more expensive modelling-dedicated products. I'll be hitting up my local home-improvement store for silicone caulk next time I want to create water effects!
This video helped me out so much in deciding what kind of gel to get for a small beach diorama with a float plane. Hopefully I'll be able to do this before years end. (decided to go with the liquitex gloss gel medium. Now I gotta figure out how to make the water look turquoise/blue .
A TIP for spreading the transparent sylicone ore polymer sealant. DIP YOUR FINGER IN VEGETABLE OIL TO SMOOTH THE WATER OUT.
Great work, very good comprehensive tutorials. Thx for the ideea man...I've just made my first diorama and I nedeed a cheap water effect solution. I wanted the water to simulate a mountain river with smooth areas in places. After a few tries a think a have a TIP :) just dip your finger in vegetable oil (in my country the most common one is sunflower oil, but i think any will do) and smooth it out wher you want it. I got a very good result with a slight glossy finish!
To cut your drying time down significantly... Get a simple de-humidifier. Moisture and cold temp. are the biggest factors in dry time. So spend the money for a cheap de-humidifier and you'll be glad you did! Cheers.
I've thinned the clear caulking with household paint thinner, it worked very well.
Hello Saw this video this morning. Tried the silicone this afternoon. Awesome. Just a 2x4 inch display for a 1/2400 ship display Worked great
great video, you took the time and money to test a variety of products to help others with water effects, I appreciate it because I'm definitely going to try the silicone , thanks
It would have been nice to see the fully cured state for these tests. It looked like the WS product had a higher level of detail than the other products and it would have been nice to see how it looked when it was fully cured.
The Mod Podge with acrylic powder looked a hell of a lot like frothy water. Things like a base of a waterfall or the crash of a wave. I didn't see ice when I saw that, I saw beaches.
It also would have been nice to see the acrylic medium fully cured as that could be a dual purpose product. If it's brushable you can use it as a substitute for both 'ardcoat like products and water effects.
I used GE Silicone I for a project and was able to smooth it out with a popsicle stick dipped in rubbing (isopropyl) alcohol. Anytime the stick stuck to the silicone I'd rewet the stick or even use it as dispenser to wet the silicone surface. I'm not familiar with 007, so this method might not work with it, but it may be worth a shot.
silicone can be thinned with vinegar - just a bit goes a long way.
Dustin
Awesome test, thanks. I a looking at doing a harbour and beach in N gauge and will try the silicon BUT I like the mod podge look for my waves on the beach part. What a clever mistake! :)
So gloss gel medium looks the better option for a newbie, great video
I discovered your channel a few days ago and I love em.
+Lukes Aps can you make a winter board ? i would love to see how to make a good winter board for warhammer fantasy. love your vids
I now understand why you said the water effects was crap. Awesome Video dude, keep em coming.
Thanks Luke! Much appreciated helping us navigate H20 effects products. Cheers!
I found something for the "this takes way too long to dry" problem:
In this video watch?v=63W29bmwfBk at timestamp 4:40 he begins to talk about how acrylic mixed with silicone is basically an instant-dry paste because of how silicone sets and how acrylic is made up.
Actually, the entire first half of his video is moderately interesting for answering the questions from yours, so go watch that I guess.
Excellent video just what I was looking for.
I really like your channel and the many money saving ideas you are offering.
Living abroad (in Croatia) it's not always as easy to access/find/afford all the tailor made stuff for my crafts.
You cannot beat a cheeky cheap alternative!
Thanks, I want to make some low profile ponds and lakes and from watching this video I'm going to do vlear silicone on a heavy mill plastic.
Thanks, I've bought some 007, seems much cheaper than any water alternative I've found.
when I was screwing around with some silicone a while back I thinned it down with lighter fluid. It didn't smell good but I was able to get a nice placid lake. so if you find it too thick try a small amount to make it more pliable.
Brilliant video Luke, as are all your videos!! Thanks....
Thanks for the heads-up. Keep 'em coming.
I was about to do the same experiment. Thanks for saving me the cash!
From using it at work I know a bit about the silicone Calking. First using it hot is yuor friend. Bowl soem water, take it off the heat and put the tube in. Let it sit in it for about 15 minutes and the result will surprise. It will flow out at a near water consistency.
Also it has a interesting property. Dish soap won't stick to it. Mix up a small bowl of water and dish soap, dip any clay molding tools you might want to use in it and the you can tool it without it sticking to the tools you're using.
Silicone tubes, clear and white, are about 3USD from harbor freight. I will probably start with silicone when I start building my BB63.
it's a mesmerizing way to save money and create beatiful wave and ripple.plz answer the silicon should be mix by alcohol or not???
I wonder how tinting some Pledge would work for this, since it's basically an acrylic clear.
never used water effects myself, but this is a great resource for when I do :)
The mud pudge(spelled?) could it be used as an add-on/detail to show the waves breaking?
I believe it would look amazing as on a sea-island table!?
The modge podge and acrylic powder seem like they would be perfect for doing ocean surf ... did they stay sort of whitish or did they go completely clear over time ?
Hi Luke, how would you recommend getting a smooth-er effect with the evo-stick? Its great for ripples and waves but if i want to lay it a bit smoother, what should I use?
Also if I want to make a waterfall effect, what should I lay the evo-stick on so that I can peel it off easy? It's meant to stick to tile so not sure how easy it would be to get off once dried/set?
Hi again, for the next phase of my project, to create waves, I would like to try clear silicone instead of gloss medium gel. But is it compatible with EnviroTex Lite? Because that's what I used to create my water feature (after getting so much issues with Woodland Scenics Realistic Water). Thank you!
If you get Type 1 silicone clear and mix with a bit of water, it'll dry in a couple mins. Thickness won't matter for dry time. The water hardens it.
silicon can be thinned with mineral spirits it slows the curing time a little bit but if you wanted to self level or fill in little gaps it's the way to go
Perfect vid Luke! Use a bit of spit or water on your finger or sculpting tools with the silicone and you'll find it much easier to work with. Keep it up
Nice one Luke, it's always good to get the best bang for your buck!
Cheers mate and have a great time with your next project,
Joe
Really enjoyed this video. Extremely helpful. It's my understanding that traditional paints won't stick to silicone.
G'day mate, just want to say... big thumbs up on your vids, every time I watch one my creative juices start a flowing. I've got some ideas I want to try out when im off on spring break from teaching.
Oh and also, you got a mention from black magic crafts as well mate, for the £ store water/resin effects.. that just shows now mate that your name is getting out there 👍🏻
You can make silicone less sticky when modeling by spraying water with dish washing fluid on it. That's how it's done in construction.
Thinking about joining facebook again just to join the group, you've inspired me to give model scenery a shot. Thank you for all this wonderful content!
Hey Luke, Interesting video. Just a thought, if the silicon is the best finish but a little on the thick side, is there a way of thinning it just a tad?
I used Woodland water effects to put some motion on my rcreek flowing into the lake. Like you I did not want to wait for wver to dr. I Borrowed one of my wifes curl maker hair blow dryer./ I went over theWater effects for 20 min. and after 3 hours all was dry .
try heating the sylocan under a lamp. should help some
Doing a jungle river. Should I paint the base first befor adding silicone. And will silicone hold an acrillack paint. Thank you.
Very small amounts of *Naptha* mixed in with the silicone helps enormously.
I can get gloss medium at my local art store for a few bucks. I will give that a shot for my Troglodon water base. Thanks!
Might it help with the PVA glue to hit it with a hair dryer so as to skin it over a bit and help keep the shape?
your channel is great, the acrylic powder is great to make snow and frozen effects
Nice video. I appreciate your honesty.
I'm in desperate need for a frozen lake and stream. I think your idea of mod podge and an additive was good. But how about a whole tape on it? Thanx!
Have you tried dry-brushing the silicon? I've heard silicon caulks don't take paint well.
Great models and miniatures. Well done.
Luke do you prep. The foam board before applying the silicon ..????thank you😊
I hit the right video right away! I'll try the silicone first. Thanks!
Says it all, great video , thanks Luke .
great vid as always - I can second the idea to add some white spirit. It makes it stink even worse and it takes longer to dry but can help with the workability a lot and white spirit is dead cheap too :D
Hi, about the gloss medium gel, I've used Liquitex Gloss Super Heavy Gel to create my waves. Since it's not thick as I though it would be, I had to add to many thin layers on top of each other. I didn't have the patience to let each layer to fully dry (3 or 4 days at least) so I added a new layer every two days. But now it's been more than 10 days and the lower layers are still white. I am starting to think I made a mistake. Is it gonna become clear in weeks or months to come or is it gonna stay like that white and cloudy? Should I use a needle or a hobby drill to make tiny hole through the lower layers to allow them to "breath" and dry? I also try some of Woodland Scenics water effect solutions and I only encounter problems. So never again I will buy Woodland Scenics products. Thank you!
Just for clarification, it appears that Evo Stick Clear is actually "Silicone Free" (first item on the label), so anyone who lives elsewhere (like the US) and is looking for an alternative, don't buy silicone, it's different!
I'm trying to figure out what the equivalent would be here (otherwise I'd be paying $25 to get Evo Stick shipped over), I think our best bet might be Lexel Adhesive Caulk, says it won't yellow and that it's 19x clearer than silicone, which seems like it lines up with what the Evo Stick is doing. The good news is, they even sell it in a little squeeze tube, so it should work well for our hobby. Going to have to go to Home Depot and see if I can't track some down.
add some Naphtha to your caulk. it will thin it the more add. dries fast.
Hi Luke,
Do you know if the Gel medium is non-yellowing too? I actually prefer the look of that compared to the silicone.
Cheers :)
Mmmmm, a very PC answer. You dunno do ya? :DDD
I can have a look online, that's ok. Thanks for the tutorial!
Glad you took my comment the right way :) I think it'll be fine too, just thought I'd ask if it was written on the bottle.
What happened to the "comin at ya like Cleopatra" intro? That made me laugh my arse off when I first heard you say that :DDD
Cheers Luke,
Keep up the good work :)
Did you find that the silicone remained slightly tacky? Even when dried?
Your work is amazing,thank you for all of the helpful information 🤙🏻🇮🇹
MM, thank you for this, i have been out of the purchasing department for a bit and pretty much..well.outta touch, good to know all this. All i have is the melty beads to make water they sorta suck..and modge podge. Which..from what im seeing here..grrr..im sorry this is an old vid but it didn't seam right to post it totally out of context on the board a year after it came up. ANYWAY i digress, i know some pretty old tech's and with modge podge it isn't different. To build layers we would use ceran wrap, cellophane, sticky cling wrap (whichever its called now) take strips and modge em down, shape, brace and so on, it dried fast and if you were lucky you could find the holiday wrap in blue, to add varied blue's to the mix, the thicker the layers of wrap the deeper the color. It sticks, well enough, to itself to be able to shape it. So, experiment on that one of these times, i haven't seen anyone do it in the 20 or so people i watch. Good luck, and really the base of it, have fun!
Luke, have you tried a product called liquidtex? It is a artist product that comes in different viscosity's
The Mod Podge isn't meamt for modelling water, it's rather meant for smallet movement/ waves on realistic water
I just used some liquitex gloss gel medium for my river, but it seems a bit of the raised bits won't dry clear. Is that normal? How long should I wait for it to cure?
Have you ever thought about using a large bottle of elmers clear glue? I'm building an n scale layout and I had dry glue sticking on the edges and it was dry and it looked like clear water. Ima try that :D
I use the vallejo water effects. it's pretty good. I'll have to let you have go of it
Would there be a way to thin the latex caulk out a little. Maybe a little isopropyl alcohol or something.
The silicone is the clear winner. Get it?
Bravo....from Macedonia!!!
100% Positive....thanks
for us to live in the US, we may not have the 007 stuff.... what would you say is it's cousin to use here in the our neck of the woods.
hi luke. why not try mixing white spirit or acetone to clear silicone to thin it down
really helpful, thanks for making this!
I want to add small fish to my water scene. What is the best (fake water and material should the fish be made of ) ?
Sorry to hear you’re stopping videos. Good one this.
Thanks Luke you’re a big help🇨🇦🇨🇦
Great stuff Luke. I'm looking at doing a large wave (surfing size) for my guildball team (ever heard of it?) Been thinking on how to go about this and the silicon might be the answer. Thanks
Hi, I'm looking at making a splash effect using the gel medium to recreate a champagne bottle being popped and splashing out any tips for me? Thanks.
Also The splash effect will be being applied to a mirror .
Thanks for the info Luke
Great video, Luke!
What was the full name of the 007 ? been trying to locate on ebay. I am working on my Lizard men army very soon.aslo do you know of a away to remove super glued mini's off their bases ? want to re base some minis I got off ebay.
for a display that needs to have about 6inches of water will any of these work for that?
I have one of the game's workshop 40k city borads and I am thinking about having Walter stars in the guttering what do you suggest
It does look easy but I live in a one bed flat and I don't have anyway to keep a 2 foot bore laying flat for 24 hour's I was wondering what you think about the 007 stuff
It's not really a river more a guter
Ok thanks mate I will give it a go
When you make a video make an approach of the containers because they do not look good the mark
Luke would you recommend this 007 stuff for using in waterfalls?
Otherwise informative Vid and thanks for sharing it with us.
could you warm the silicon to make it flow a bit better?
Thank you Great video. And very helpful.
hi luke how do you stop the evo stick from going hard when not in use
One question. the modge podge home made can be put in these scenarios as water effects as well?
Lukes Aps oh great thanks luke. I was planning to do with glue and water, I'm not sure where to get the alcohol. I thought on using the one being sold at pharmacies
Can anyone point me to a good place to make Ice? should I just take some of this but add alot of white paint to it?