The work print version is my fave as you kinda feel for Michael being in those horrid situations and take his side for 90% of the movie. The other two versions go in to more detail and are sicker and even make Loomis nearly as evil as Michael lol.
Yeah in Rob Zombie's Halloween 2, Dr. Loomis (Malcolm McDowell) is a money greedy jacka**. He did seem more evil than Michael Myers in that one, especially more in the Director's Cut version. The first 2007 film, I thought he still seemed caring and wanting to get through to Michael Myers in both T-Cut & D-Cut.
The original copy of the movie I saw was the workprint cause a friend got ahold of it. Loved it honestly, completed Michael's story all in 1 movie. That why when H2 came out I was confused because of the change made in the theatrical version on H1
So Rob Zombie like David Gordon Green & Danny McBride also wanted to make Michael Myers mortal, except in Rob Zombie's timeline it makes sense, whereas David Gordon Green's 2018 trilogy is contradictory because Michael survived a car crash at full speed when sheriff Hawkins crashes him hard with his police vehicle, also he survived numerous gunshots & a brutal mob beatdown that would result in severe fatal injuries to a normal mortal human. So yeah I may not be a fan of the Michael Myers being mortal thing, especially mortal to being shot by many guns, but I see why Rob Zombie made it like that, he wanted to give us something different, pretty much a "what if" universe, whereas David Gordon Green's is not it's own universe because it follows John Carpenter's original 1978 classic, which makes no sense, since in the 1978 film Michael Myers was clearly surviving things no man could ever survive, he was basically semi-immortal and I say Semi because Michael Myers isn't completely unkillable, since he in the 1978 film and it's old sequels Michael Myers can be killed by decapitation (as he did originally in H20), setting him on fire and never putting the fire out, being crushed, or being blown up to pieces (like Jason in the Final Friday movie)
The ending with Michael being talked down by Loomis and then getting shot by the police was beautiful and made the most sense with this story version of Halloween. Its a shame they didnt put that ending in Directors cut since it was also not used in theatrical. Micheal died and it was well done. Would have saved us all from the steaming pile of shit H2 was.
When I saw ( and got) the work print version of 2007. I was very impressed with the movie and its story. A couple of months later me and my friends saw the theatrical version and we all agreed that the work print ending was way better and fullfilling. Suddenly in theatres we saw Michael crushing sealings and a longer chase scene than in the work print....it was a bit too much...but I still have a deep love for RZ's Halloween films. The 2007 work print, I still consider the better version. Glad I still own it on a copied DVD..it's a little collector's dream
So how does one find this Work Print? I never knew there was a 3rd version until I watched this video. As a lifetime Halloween fan I cant believe I've never heard of this until today. Thank you for bringing this to light for those of us who had no clue of its existence.
Somebody once uploaded the ending where Michael is gunned down, firing squad style, by police after Loomis convinces him to let Laurie go. Didn't know it was part of an entirely different cut altogether. Interesting.
I remember just before this came out, it was leaked online and, yes, I acquired a copy of it because I just couldn't wait. (Don't jump on me, I still paid and went to the theater to see it as well.) When I saw it in the theater, I noticed it was quite different. When they announced the director's cut, I assumed it would be the leaked version, but yet again, it was still different. I've never heard anyone talk about it and have long since lost the disc I had burned it to. Even if I can't find a new copy of it now, it was nice to at least hear it acknowledged and talked about.
This was a great video. I knew about two versions of RZH but not a third. I would love to see the third. I've seen the theatrical version obviously in the theater. And I own the directors cut and that one is my favorite. I gotta see that third now. Great stuff,thank you for sharing and have a great day.
Omg I just seen Rob Zombies work print and I saw his theater version and to me it was ok but now seeing this omg why wasn't this in the movie it showed Mike's decent because of either the people he loved left him he saved the women gettin violated and he really was a BEASTMODE even as stalking the bully. It was graphic and gory from the mean step father Judith's boy friend and to Judith and the mother was so sweet to him you got attached to the characters even feeling bad for Mike in a broken home and Didn't die in this omg this was the best. Since Halloween kills
I don’t think I’ve seen the work print version all the way through but I vaguely remembering the monster mash, so when I saw the unrated cut, I was like “where is it?” And just assumed someone edited it in
I definitely remember being in 6th or 7th grade when the movie had come out and the only version I was able to watch was the Workprint with that Dimension Films watermark slapped on the screen haha I think for nostalgic purposes, the Workprint is the version I always go back to. I agree on all points touched on in this video - each version has its strengths and weaknesses. it’s VERY important to remember that the ENTIRE Halloween franchise has done EVERYTHING that’s possible to do with Michael and Laurie. personally I found it interesting that they reincorporated certain plot points from other movies into this one. the original Workprint ending was essentially just the Halloween 4 ending - execution by firing squad. I remember seeing the theatrical cut / directors cut ending with the Loomis bit and Laurie shooting him in the face - I think those were some really bold and new ideas, but I did also find some comfort in a studio meddled ending that was just a rehash of something that had been tried before 😂 even against his will, Zombie tried to deliver something that would serve the story to the best of its abilities. it’s tragic either way BECAUSE of how much context was given about Michael’s full story. great video. thank you for making this! gave me a little boost of serotonin for the day
Theatrical escape scene, directors cut character development, and work print ending would be the absolute best version of this film possible in my opinion. If they ever did an anniversary or re-release I think an edited version of the film as i mentioned would probably change a lot of peoples negative opinion about Rob Zombie's Halloween
For anyone who has grown up with trauma the type that makes you sleep in the basement in hopes you won't be found should avoid ALL of Rob Zombie's movies
His versions are absolutely the best halloweens. I love John carpenter and Halloween’s easy his most overrated film and definitely one of his worst in my opinion. The escapes, thing, they live, Prince of darkness, dark star, assault o.P13, etc are all so much better.
I've never seen the work print version. When i saw rhe original theater version, i had to let it rest for two days before I realized I really liked the movie. 🎥🍿 I do however, own the blu-ray and prefer the director's cut .
I'm on the fence with RZs Halloween, I like it for some parts and not for others it is flawed but a 💯 a Rob zombie vision of Halloween. It's been a long time since I've seen any of the original versions of it. I'm pretty sure I did see the workprint 1st but it's such a long time ago. My personal favorite version of it that I will happily watch is the Cole edits , fan cut that can be found on you tube, which brings it back in line with the tone of the original. I highly recommend it to anyone who hasn't seen it
Which one is the best? It depends on the person watching it. Not everyone has the same taste or the same opinions. I think a person can pick their favorite. But picking “the best”? All depends on the viewer.
I enjoy both RZ’s Halloween movies but some of trailer trash dialogue and the over abundance of violence is not my cup of tea. I have heard many complaints about these same things. Rather be someone who just complains I took the first and second movies and cut them into one. I turned his version into more of a stalking Myers. It was a fun experience doing it.
I still own a bootleg of the work print. Honestly, I think its a better film. Shorter for sure and the ending is pretty impactful for a movie that was mostly about Michael and Loomis. Could have saved us from H2 being made.
I have the work print on a DVD….I watched it almost a year before it came to theatres. I loved it back then and was pretty hyped when it came out. Unfortunately, the theatre cut was (as you described) largely different….
I hated the rape scene in the directors cut. I much prefer the theatrical cut of the way Micheal escapes the Asylum. Halloween Ends was HORRIBLE! I really liked that Tyler Mane played Micheal. He was so huge it was frightening
Agree with you completely, there is one scene in the unrated of Rob Zombie's Halloween that didn't need to be there and you explained my thoughts exactly. I did enjoy the unrated version of his Halloween II as my fave just because it has the extended Annie moments which are so touching and tragic plus the ending leaves it open for a third which understandably, we never got. I am extremely curious about the work print cut because until now, I'd never heard of it before.
A part of demystifying Myers is looking at the reality of environment of institutes like mental asylums and prisons. Terrible things do happen there and they do attract people who want to have asses to people who by the nature of the dynamics, are vulnerable to them. The scene is just as ugly as a serial killer stalking and killing people on Halloween.
My buddies and I had the workprint, then saw it in the theater, and all three of us had that "wait what's going on?" moment when the ending was entirely different. The best version, would have to be bits and pieces from each, into a fourth amalgamation. I think they all had something to bring to the overall picture. But as it stands, I believe I'll go with the unrated cut too.
It’s been a while since I’ve seen the work print. There was some moments I wish they kept in the director’s cut, mainly that chase scene. However, I’m happy with the director’s cut.
I used to have that third version on bootleg DVD. It was the very first version I saw. Then when I seen the director and theatrical cuts the ending was extended by a good bit compared to that other version.
I like the theatrical one better. The director's cut, ain't bad but I just think Zombie put the SA scene in the director's cut cause it's a Zombie movie
The workprint was the first one I saw. Me and a buddy were hyped for the flick, he got his hands on a bootleg. I couldn't believe they popped off on Mikey like that. We just sat there letting the credits roll like nahhhhh wtf 🤣
I don't have much good things to say about Zombie's Halloween films. They are mostly awful but I did like Malcolm McDowell's performance as Loomis and Brad Douriffs performance as Bracket. I prefer the prison escape in the directors cut.
The workprint is excellent although I don't care for the rape scene during Michael's escape. I just don't feel like it was needed. The workprint with the theatrical escape scene would be perfect.
Maybe the assaulted scene & MM's response to it was intended to humanize him or establish the possibility that he can demonstrate compassion, albeit through 1
BRO, THE 3rd VERSION IS THE FIRSY ONE I WATCHED AND I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR IT SINCE!! I HAVE BEEN TELLING MY FRIENDS ABOUT IT FOR YEARS AND THEY JUST DON’T GET IT!!
The scene where the female asylum patient is assaulted doesn’t have anything to do with the actual story, but it does give a glimpse into asylum life. Does this kind of thing happen in real life? I can’t give specific examples, but more than likely, yes. These people are in places like this because of behaviors that are not their fault. The ones running & working in the asylums don’t care about the patients, just the $ they are (asylum owners) or aren’t (workers doing a low paying job) getting. I believe this was Rob’s way of doing some social commentary.
I still feel like that scene wasn't necessary. I think the theatrical escape scene is much better. I just don't see where rape has any place in a Halloween movie.
In the OG films... Myers was DEAD after 2. That's why 3 was the way it is. They were going to make it s series that focused on different monsters n stories basically. The SUCCESS of 3 and the reaction made the crew come together for 4 and bring him back. It's not until curse when they implemented that TERRIBLE CULT & CURSE stuff. Wasnt a terrible film but!!! Was corny in parts. As a kid when it came out it was like H20... OH MY GAWD!!!! A NEW ONE!!! Then you watched them and were like 😐😑😐😐🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤨🤨😶😶😶😕😕😕 "yeaaa... idk man. It was alright, BUT!....."
I just watched all three cuts of Apocalypse now in close proximity I don't want to see that movie again for a long time I kind of wonder even though I don't like this film what it would be like to watch all three cuts in close proximity
I really did not like the backstory of the family. I did like see relationship Dr. Loomis developed with Michael. The kid that played young Michael rocked the role, but adult Michael was unrealistically to big.
How was he unrealistically too big? I mean the actor playing him is that big, so it's not unrealistic at all. Some people are just huge and it made a lot more scene having a huge mountain of a man doing these things and carrying a half ton gravestone away from a cemetery. There's nothing unrealistic about Rob Zombie's Halloween. That's what makes it so great. Real life is always much scarier than a bunch of ugga bugga boogeyman shit. We never saw Michael's father. He might have been a very large man as well. Genetics can do wonders, man... What exactly is unrealistic about him growing up to be 6'9", 250lb? I'm not understanding that at all. He wasn't a small 10 year old by any means.
Nah, Michael Myers looking like a professional wrestler is lame. It's too much. The family back story left no mystery or mystique. All of zombie's movies are just a mix of carni, trailer trash redneck smut-like exploitation films. He steals the spirit of tarantino and grind house then discusses his movies like he's making high art. He thinks it's edgy or like he's really making a social comment. Lol It's a shame bc I wanted to like his stuff but I don't think he can get the 70's or texas chainsaw massacre out of his head. He's a hack.
Huge fan of the RZ Halloween not so much it’s sequel but I still do enjoy it for what it is. I think, if I watched all the versions of Michael, this is probably my fave, if not JJC. As for the work print, I did have that (and I may still have it somewhere burnt onto a disc) and I did watch it, but it didnt stop me from enjoying the film. Same with X-Men Origins: Wolverine 😂
I seen this in the drive in back in 2007 and I swear to this day the version I seen had Linda’s boyfriend getting killed in his van when he was getting more beers he did not get stabbed and pinned against the wall. I’m I crazy or did anyone else ever see this scene?
All three are good movies. Best Halloween’s there are. Love carpenter but Halloween is like his week and worst film. His student film dark star is so classic and so much better.
Yeah loved the theatrical version when seen a n theaters told friends one said he had got the movie bootlegged so he'll yeah in watched that with him and started noticing differences and looked it up and yeah that was the Work print lol. I was disappointed with that ending my friend like that's it and I was like no there was a lot more !lol there was funny parts though like when he walked up and picked up the tombstone was like dam lol I liked when HR popped up and hoy the dad lol in Work print it shows him walking up yo him and he's talking to hum look was like wtf lol I like the extra jokes in directors cut lol people funny
I really liked the work print version of the first film. I got it back in 2007 when I was getting screeners on the regular the bob van scene and some of the alternative takes fit well with the ending in that one where he was shot in the front yard after a stand off pulling Lorie out of Loomis car.
Sorry, any version without the assault on the female patient is superior. Hated it when I was 13, hate it now as a 28 year old. One rare instance where studio meddling was very much needed.That being said if the theatrical escape scene had been inserted in the work print, that'd be awesome. Also I predict shout factory doing a special edition with all 3 versions included in the near future.
I don’t believe Rob Zombie gets enough credit from people. You know you all have to really think about a few things. So John Carpenter’s version was set in an earlier time. Where as Rob Zombie’s version was set more into modern day society. So of course the films aren’t going to have the same take from one another. Carpenter’s version for me left out so much that I think should’ve been told. However like I stated before it’s also a film that had an earlier storyline. So it makes sense for it to be mysterious and not really tell you anything about him. (He’s just the boogeyman). Where as Zombie’s version takes and explains the mind of a serial killer and gives you some insight to why he is the way that he is. I love that because it showed modern day trauma and the effects it can have on children. So weather you like carpenter’s version or Zombie’s you have to respect the mind of both and think about where they were both coming from in terms of generations. Carpenter’s took place in what the 1800’s -1900’s. Where Zombie’s took place in the 2000’s.
I have the Directors/unrated cut of H1 what’s the biggest difference between all 3 besides the ending and the asylum escape scene anything good I’m missing out on? That either The theatrical cut/work print am I missing out on anything with owing the directors/unrated cut?
I think both Rob zombies are very good loved both of them he did his own story which was a refreshing change from the dire sequels that was being released.
Disagree wholeheartedly that the theatrical escape is better. Neither escape is very good but the theatrical males no sense cos if Michael had the strength to break metal chains, he could have done it years before. Also, to say that the unrated escape has no relation to the story and only exists to be edgy is a bit unfair. It was shown from the beginning that the oversexualized environment that Michael inhabited during his childhood was one of the factors that contributed to his mental decline and the guards in that scene probably reminded him of those days. It also showed the importance of the masks since he was completely non-reactive until his masks were touched.
Interesting point. The idea of Michael breaking chains whenever he wanted is true but we know that he was "shut down" at Smith's Grove until that "silent alarm was triggered".
What pisses me off about this movie is no one had any idea what this movie was supposed to be about. There are so many ideas that contradict each other. I feel like there is a great movie there somewhere.
I think the rape scene was an event that traumatized Michael even more as he was used to being left alone. It springboarded his extreme violence after his escape!
I have to disagree. I don't think the rape scene added anything at all. It didn't affect Michael in the least. He didn't react until they touched his masks hanging on the wall. I don't think it's possible to traumatize a person who has no conscience and I don't think his shitty home environment played much of a factor in the way he turned out. Sociopaths are generally created by their environment. Michael is a psychopath. He was basically born without a soul for lack of a better word.
@@ojmcclanahan689 I respectfully disagree. The child Michael in that movie was sensitive and bullied and mistreated so badly that his conscience retreated to the back of his head. The rape snapped him out of his fog.
@@zeidenmedia At this point I'm wondering if we even say the same movie. Sounds like some kind of Mandela Effect thing going on here because the character you're describing and the character I saw sound like two vastly different characters. The Michael Myers I saw was not sensitive as a kid. He got his rocks off by torturing and killing animals then taking polaroids of it. The Michael Myers I saw never had a conscience to begin with and the Michael Myers I saw didn't care about what was going on behind him until they messed with his masks. It's kind of amazing how two people can see the same thing so differently.
@@zeidenmedia Yeah, the mom's boyfriend was a first class prick, but there's different factors at work here. He got teased in one scene before brutally murdering the kid in the woods. A poor sensitive child would not have done that, nor would he have been torturing and killing animals and doing god know what with them. He did have a dead cat in his book bag while all of this is going on. He was murdering his pet rat when the movie began. From a psychological standpoint, Michael Myers is a psychopath who's instincts are more akin to an animal than a person. You fall into the same category as the security guard who died because he thought he had a bond with Michael, as well as the nurse who trusted him with a metal fork, and the other people at Smith's Grove who completely ignored Dr. Loomis' warnings. There's two specific thing that Dr. Loomis says in the movie that you're ignoring. One is "The darkest souls are not those which choose to exist within the hell of the abyss, but choose to break free and move silently among us." The other is "He is mad that trusts in the tameness of a wolf." He was never some poor abused kid that was twisted by his unfortunate environment. Michael Myers would have been what he is regardless of where he came from.
I thought they were both terrible. I will say that the extra scenes with the kid in the sanitarium were better, but the rape scene escape was pathetic. Over all they were just like the characters, mostly trash
His halloween movies were pretty bad especially h2. But the workprint cut of halloween 1 was the best version I think. It was leaked quite a bit before the movie released and was up to download lol 😆
My primary issue with Rob's Halloween, as is the case with literally ALL his films, it winds up being the same Antagonist story line: Psych0, r3d-n3ck, Hillb1ll13s doing psychotic and violent things. I loved House of 1000 Corpses. His follow up The Devil's Rejects was a FAR better film than House and in my opinion is the peak of his talent and work. After that, it was the same movie, just with different characters and all staring his Wife. I liked the strong violence in his Halloween remake, but the characters are so off-putting and petulant that you really just want them all to die. So I had some trouble digesting his "vision." Be that as it may, I still own both on bluray. I don't hate it enough to never watch it again. :)
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The work print version is my fave as you kinda feel for Michael being in those horrid situations and take his side for 90% of the movie. The other two versions go in to more detail and are sicker and even make Loomis nearly as evil as Michael lol.
I love the workprint version
Yeah in Rob Zombie's Halloween 2, Dr. Loomis (Malcolm McDowell) is a money greedy jacka**. He did seem more evil than Michael Myers in that one, especially more in the Director's Cut version.
The first 2007 film, I thought he still seemed caring and wanting to get through to Michael Myers in both T-Cut & D-Cut.
That 1st rob was lit!!!! That 2nd boy was headed in the right direction until laurie woke up
The original copy of the movie I saw was the workprint cause a friend got ahold of it. Loved it honestly, completed Michael's story all in 1 movie. That why when H2 came out I was confused because of the change made in the theatrical version on H1
So Rob Zombie like David Gordon Green & Danny McBride also wanted to make Michael Myers mortal, except in Rob Zombie's timeline it makes sense, whereas David Gordon Green's 2018 trilogy is contradictory because Michael survived a car crash at full speed when sheriff Hawkins crashes him hard with his police vehicle, also he survived numerous gunshots & a brutal mob beatdown that would result in severe fatal injuries to a normal mortal human.
So yeah I may not be a fan of the Michael Myers being mortal thing, especially mortal to being shot by many guns, but I see why Rob Zombie made it like that, he wanted to give us something different, pretty much a "what if" universe, whereas David Gordon Green's is not it's own universe because it follows John Carpenter's original 1978 classic, which makes no sense, since in the 1978 film Michael Myers was clearly surviving things no man could ever survive, he was basically semi-immortal and I say Semi because Michael Myers isn't completely unkillable, since he in the 1978 film and it's old sequels Michael Myers can be killed by decapitation (as he did originally in H20), setting him on fire and never putting the fire out, being crushed, or being blown up to pieces (like Jason in the Final Friday movie)
Me personally, I have loved both of the movies since they were released.
Me too. The hate was bad back in the day
The workprint is definitely the better version. I found that version in 2019 and it the only version I can watch now.
Workprint was the best. I feel it was the perfect mix of the theatrical and directors cut which both felt to over the top in both directions.
The ending with Michael being talked down by Loomis and then getting shot by the police was beautiful and made the most sense with this story version of Halloween. Its a shame they didnt put that ending in Directors cut since it was also not used in theatrical. Micheal died and it was well done. Would have saved us all from the steaming pile of shit H2 was.
Growing up I had the 2007 Halloween bootleg. And michael being shot to death was the only version I knew until I seen H2 in theatres. I was confused.
Never knew there was a third one, thanks for sharing :)
I have the Uncut Version of Rob Zombie's Halloween I like it
When I saw ( and got) the work print version of 2007. I was very impressed with the movie and its story.
A couple of months later me and my friends saw the theatrical version and we all agreed that the work print ending was way better and fullfilling. Suddenly in theatres we saw Michael crushing sealings and a longer chase scene than in the work print....it was a bit too much...but I still have a deep love for RZ's Halloween films. The 2007 work print, I still consider the better version. Glad I still own it on a copied DVD..it's a little collector's dream
So how does one find this Work Print? I never knew there was a 3rd version until I watched this video. As a lifetime Halloween fan I cant believe I've never heard of this until today. Thank you for bringing this to light for those of us who had no clue of its existence.
was on the old uncle torrance sites back in 2007, I grabbed it from there
It’s on UA-cam
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Would be interesting to see someone do like a fan remaster of the work print and then do some kind of Supercut with the best of all three versions
I met Rob at the screening of this movie in nyc
Any opinions on Michael's grunts during his kills in pt.2? I've always wondered what others thought or even noticed on this.
I actually liked that aspect..gave him more of the human aspect along with all the other humanizing traits he had.
I can't remember if it was Rzs H 2007, or H2 2009, but one of those movies was edited down from a 3hr runtime. Great vid Night ❤
I didn’t realise first version I saw was the work print version until now. The Monster Mash opening I forgot about.
Somebody once uploaded the ending where Michael is gunned down, firing squad style, by police after Loomis convinces him to let Laurie go. Didn't know it was part of an entirely different cut altogether. Interesting.
The zombie versions are the best Halloween films there is
In the work print, Ryder from blood in blood out is hilarious.
I remember just before this came out, it was leaked online and, yes, I acquired a copy of it because I just couldn't wait. (Don't jump on me, I still paid and went to the theater to see it as well.) When I saw it in the theater, I noticed it was quite different. When they announced the director's cut, I assumed it would be the leaked version, but yet again, it was still different. I've never heard anyone talk about it and have long since lost the disc I had burned it to. Even if I can't find a new copy of it now, it was nice to at least hear it acknowledged and talked about.
This was a great video. I knew about two versions of RZH but not a third. I would love to see the third. I've seen the theatrical version obviously in the theater. And I own the directors cut and that one is my favorite. I gotta see that third now. Great stuff,thank you for sharing and have a great day.
Thank you as well. Glad you enjoyed it and found out about the 3rd cut of the film.
that ending where he gets shot was in the directors' cut, well, the version I saw... but that was years ago
Omg I just seen Rob Zombies work print and I saw his theater version and to me it was ok but now seeing this omg why wasn't this in the movie it showed Mike's decent because of either the people he loved left him he saved the women gettin violated and he really was a BEASTMODE even as stalking the bully. It was graphic and gory from the mean step father Judith's boy friend and to Judith and the mother was so sweet to him you got attached to the characters even feeling bad for Mike in a broken home and Didn't die in this omg this was the best. Since Halloween kills
I don’t think I’ve seen the work print version all the way through but I vaguely remembering the monster mash, so when I saw the unrated cut, I was like “where is it?” And just assumed someone edited it in
I use to have a burnt copy of his Workprint version
I definitely remember being in 6th or 7th grade when the movie had come out and the only version I was able to watch was the Workprint with that Dimension Films watermark slapped on the screen haha I think for nostalgic purposes, the Workprint is the version I always go back to. I agree on all points touched on in this video - each version has its strengths and weaknesses.
it’s VERY important to remember that the ENTIRE Halloween franchise has done EVERYTHING that’s possible to do with Michael and Laurie. personally I found it interesting that they reincorporated certain plot points from other movies into this one. the original Workprint ending was essentially just the Halloween 4 ending - execution by firing squad.
I remember seeing the theatrical cut / directors cut ending with the Loomis bit and Laurie shooting him in the face - I think those were some really bold and new ideas, but I did also find some comfort in a studio meddled ending that was just a rehash of something that had been tried before 😂 even against his will, Zombie tried to deliver something that would serve the story to the best of its abilities. it’s tragic either way BECAUSE of how much context was given about Michael’s full story.
great video. thank you for making this! gave me a little boost of serotonin for the day
I prefer the chase scene and the alternate ending from the workprint. But the theatrical-cut is the superior cut in my opinion
Theatrical escape scene, directors cut character development, and work print ending would be the absolute best version of this film possible in my opinion. If they ever did an anniversary or re-release I think an edited version of the film as i mentioned would probably change a lot of peoples negative opinion about Rob Zombie's Halloween
For anyone who has grown up with trauma the type that makes you sleep in the basement in hopes you won't be found should avoid ALL of Rob Zombie's movies
I give RZ credit for trying something completely different but a lot of it did not land. Some pretty good moments though.
His versions are absolutely the best halloweens. I love John carpenter and Halloween’s easy his most overrated film and definitely one of his worst in my opinion. The escapes, thing, they live, Prince of darkness, dark star, assault o.P13, etc are all so much better.
I've never seen the work print version. When i saw rhe original theater version, i had to let it rest for two days before I realized I really liked the movie. 🎥🍿
I do however, own the blu-ray and prefer the director's cut .
Director's cut is probably what I prefer just as well👍👍
I'm on the fence with RZs Halloween, I like it for some parts and not for others it is flawed but a 💯 a Rob zombie vision of Halloween.
It's been a long time since I've seen any of the original versions of it. I'm pretty sure I did see the workprint 1st but it's such a long time ago.
My personal favorite version of it that I will happily watch is the Cole edits , fan cut that can be found on you tube,
which brings it back in line with the tone of the original. I highly recommend it to anyone who hasn't seen it
i'm a member of that Small Group who defends ROB ZOMBIE'S "HALLOWEEN" Films
Thank you haha. It's an uphill battle.
Yes it is & I know Cinema can often be Divisive & Subjective but defending ROB ZOMBIE Films sometimes seems like it's considered a Major Crime 🤣🤣
Great job on this Night! I've only seen Rob Zombies Halloween ( the first one) it wasn't my thing lol. The language...ooof😅
Thanks so much Nye. Yeah the language was pretty rough😁😁
Rob Zombie's Halloween has definitely grown on me but i hate hearing about stuff that we'll probably never see but I enjoyed video bro!
I love Rob Zombies Halloween films
Which one is the best? It depends on the person watching it. Not everyone has the same taste or the same opinions. I think a person can pick their favorite. But picking “the best”? All depends on the viewer.
👍👍Well said. My hope is that for people that don't know about all 3 cuts, that if they are interested will check them out.
If only there was a higher resolution version of the workprint.
Please please please do more videos on the work print edit I have never heard of this and am really intrigued!!!!
The novelization gave him a backstory RZH adapts a little
I enjoy both RZ’s Halloween movies but some of trailer trash dialogue and the over abundance of violence is not my cup of tea. I have heard many complaints about these same things. Rather be someone who just complains I took the first and second movies and cut them into one. I turned his version into more of a stalking Myers. It was a fun experience doing it.
I own the theatrical and unrated directors cut of the film. I love both for different reasons. I prefer the Unrated directors cut.
I still own a bootleg of the work print. Honestly, I think its a better film. Shorter for sure and the ending is pretty impactful for a movie that was mostly about Michael and Loomis. Could have saved us from H2 being made.
I don’t care what anyone says I enjoyed both of these masterpieces. I’d rather have Rob Zombie make the new trilogy than what we got.
Work print(rough cut) is by far the best versiom
I have the work print on a DVD….I watched it almost a year before it came to theatres. I loved it back then and was pretty hyped when it came out. Unfortunately, the theatre cut was (as you described) largely different….
RZs Halloween movies are the only movies I saw where the theatrical cuts are the best versions....
I think the escape scene in the theatrical is better, but I think the workprint is the best version of the three, especially the ending.
Zombie's H2 is one of my favorite horror movies. So thankful it exists.
I hated the rape scene in the directors cut. I much prefer the theatrical cut of the way Micheal escapes the Asylum.
Halloween Ends was HORRIBLE!
I really liked that Tyler Mane played Micheal. He was so huge it was frightening
Agree with you completely, there is one scene in the unrated of Rob Zombie's Halloween that didn't need to be there and you explained my thoughts exactly. I did enjoy the unrated version of his Halloween II as my fave just because it has the extended Annie moments which are so touching and tragic plus the ending leaves it open for a third which understandably, we never got.
I am extremely curious about the work print cut because until now, I'd never heard of it before.
A part of demystifying Myers is looking at the reality of environment of institutes like mental asylums and prisons. Terrible things do happen there and they do attract people who want to have asses to people who by the nature of the dynamics, are vulnerable to them. The scene is just as ugly as a serial killer stalking and killing people on Halloween.
My buddies and I had the workprint, then saw it in the theater, and all three of us had that "wait what's going on?" moment when the ending was entirely different.
The best version, would have to be bits and pieces from each, into a fourth amalgamation. I think they all had something to bring to the overall picture. But as it stands, I believe I'll go with the unrated cut too.
It’s been a while since I’ve seen the work print. There was some moments I wish they kept in the director’s cut, mainly that chase scene. However, I’m happy with the director’s cut.
I used to have that third version on bootleg DVD. It was the very first version I saw. Then when I seen the director and theatrical cuts the ending was extended by a good bit compared to that other version.
I like the theatrical one better. The director's cut, ain't bad but I just think Zombie put the SA scene in the director's cut cause it's a Zombie movie
The workprint was the first one I saw. Me and a buddy were hyped for the flick, he got his hands on a bootleg. I couldn't believe they popped off on Mikey like that. We just sat there letting the credits roll like nahhhhh wtf 🤣
I don't have much good things to say about Zombie's Halloween films. They are mostly awful but I did like Malcolm McDowell's performance as Loomis and Brad Douriffs performance as Bracket. I prefer the prison escape in the directors cut.
The workprint is excellent although I don't care for the rape scene during Michael's escape. I just don't feel like it was needed. The workprint with the theatrical escape scene would be perfect.
Maybe the assaulted scene & MM's response to it was intended to humanize him or establish the possibility that he can demonstrate compassion, albeit through 1
BRO, THE 3rd VERSION IS THE FIRSY ONE I WATCHED AND I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR IT SINCE!! I HAVE BEEN TELLING MY FRIENDS ABOUT IT FOR YEARS AND THEY JUST DON’T GET IT!!
The scene where the female asylum patient is assaulted doesn’t have anything to do with the actual story, but it does give a glimpse into asylum life. Does this kind of thing happen in real life? I can’t give specific examples, but more than likely, yes. These people are in places like this because of behaviors that are not their fault. The ones running & working in the asylums don’t care about the patients, just the $ they are (asylum owners) or aren’t (workers doing a low paying job) getting. I believe this was Rob’s way of doing some social commentary.
I still feel like that scene wasn't necessary. I think the theatrical escape scene is much better. I just don't see where rape has any place in a Halloween movie.
I swear theres a version where you see one of the girls getting stabbed way more brutally or it could have been Loris Mum. Anyone else remember that?
In the OG films... Myers was DEAD after 2. That's why 3 was the way it is.
They were going to make it s series that focused on different monsters n stories basically. The SUCCESS of 3 and the reaction made the crew come together for 4 and bring him back. It's not until curse when they implemented that TERRIBLE CULT & CURSE stuff.
Wasnt a terrible film but!!! Was corny in parts. As a kid when it came out it was like H20... OH MY GAWD!!!! A NEW ONE!!!
Then you watched them and were like 😐😑😐😐🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤨🤨😶😶😶😕😕😕 "yeaaa... idk man. It was alright, BUT!....."
Yeah it would have been interesting to see where it would have gone with the anthology idea if Season of the Witch was successful.
I would love to know the differences since I don't have this third cut
Maybe I missed it, but how would one see the work print version?
I loved all 3 versions workprint, cinema and directors cut. My personal favourite being the directors cut
I just watched all three cuts of Apocalypse now in close proximity I don't want to see that movie again for a long time
I kind of wonder even though I don't like this film what it would be like to watch all three cuts in close proximity
I really did not like the backstory of the family. I did like see relationship Dr. Loomis developed with Michael. The kid that played young Michael rocked the role, but adult Michael was unrealistically to big.
How was he unrealistically too big? I mean the actor playing him is that big, so it's not unrealistic at all. Some people are just huge and it made a lot more scene having a huge mountain of a man doing these things and carrying a half ton gravestone away from a cemetery. There's nothing unrealistic about Rob Zombie's Halloween. That's what makes it so great. Real life is always much scarier than a bunch of ugga bugga boogeyman shit. We never saw Michael's father. He might have been a very large man as well. Genetics can do wonders, man... What exactly is unrealistic about him growing up to be 6'9", 250lb? I'm not understanding that at all. He wasn't a small 10 year old by any means.
Nah, Michael Myers looking like a professional wrestler is lame. It's too much. The family back story left no mystery or mystique. All of zombie's movies are just a mix of carni, trailer trash redneck smut-like exploitation films. He steals the spirit of tarantino and grind house then discusses his movies like he's making high art. He thinks it's edgy or like he's really making a social comment. Lol
It's a shame bc I wanted to like his stuff but I don't think he can get the 70's or texas chainsaw massacre out of his head. He's a hack.
the zombie era was the best period.
The 2 best Halloween movies
Huge fan of the RZ Halloween not so much it’s sequel but I still do enjoy it for what it is. I think, if I watched all the versions of Michael, this is probably my fave, if not JJC.
As for the work print, I did have that (and I may still have it somewhere burnt onto a disc) and I did watch it, but it didnt stop me from enjoying the film. Same with X-Men Origins: Wolverine 😂
What 'jokes' are the article talking about that are in the unrated but not the theatrical? Off the top of my head, I can't think of any.
I seen this in the drive in back in 2007 and I swear to this day the version I seen had Linda’s boyfriend getting killed in his van when he was getting more beers he did not get stabbed and pinned against the wall. I’m I crazy or did anyone else ever see this scene?
That's the workprint version
@@georgioevans1289 I thought I was crazy for the longest time lol
Where can I find the work print version?
I found it online awhile back. I know there are clips on UA-cam 👍👍
if you cobbled the 3 versions together would it finally make a good movie?
All three are good movies. Best Halloween’s there are. Love carpenter but Halloween is like his week and worst film. His student film dark star is so classic and so much better.
Yeah loved the theatrical version when seen a n theaters told friends one said he had got the movie bootlegged so he'll yeah in watched that with him and started noticing differences and looked it up and yeah that was the Work print lol. I was disappointed with that ending my friend like that's it and I was like no there was a lot more !lol there was funny parts though like when he walked up and picked up the tombstone was like dam lol I liked when HR popped up and hoy the dad lol in Work print it shows him walking up yo him and he's talking to hum look was like wtf lol I like the extra jokes in directors cut lol people funny
I really liked the work print version of the first film. I got it back in 2007 when I was getting screeners on the regular the bob van scene and some of the alternative takes fit well with the ending in that one where he was shot in the front yard after a stand off pulling Lorie out of Loomis car.
Sorry, any version without the assault on the female patient is superior. Hated it when I was 13, hate it now as a 28 year old. One rare instance where studio meddling was very much needed.That being said if the theatrical escape scene had been inserted in the work print, that'd be awesome. Also I predict shout factory doing a special edition with all 3 versions included in the near future.
Where can i find thios third version,?
You may be able to find it online somewhere. It's the workprint. I think it's the best version of the movie, especially the ending.
I don’t believe Rob Zombie gets enough credit from people. You know you all have to really think about a few things. So John Carpenter’s version was set in an earlier time. Where as Rob Zombie’s version was set more into modern day society. So of course the films aren’t going to have the same take from one another. Carpenter’s version for me left out so much that I think should’ve been told. However like I stated before it’s also a film that had an earlier storyline. So it makes sense for it to be mysterious and not really tell you anything about him. (He’s just the boogeyman). Where as Zombie’s version takes and explains the mind of a serial killer and gives you some insight to why he is the way that he is. I love that because it showed modern day trauma and the effects it can have on children. So weather you like carpenter’s version or Zombie’s you have to respect the mind of both and think about where they were both coming from in terms of generations. Carpenter’s took place in what the 1800’s -1900’s. Where Zombie’s took place in the 2000’s.
I have the Directors/unrated cut of H1 what’s the biggest difference between all 3 besides the ending and the asylum escape scene anything good I’m missing out on? That either The theatrical cut/work print am I missing out on anything with owing the directors/unrated cut?
I seen the screener (the 3rd version) with monster mash and I like it much more than the theatrical release.
I think both Rob zombies are very good loved both of them he did his own story which was a refreshing change from the dire sequels that was being released.
Where can I see the work print copy of Halloween?
Disagree wholeheartedly that the theatrical escape is better. Neither escape is very good but the theatrical males no sense cos if Michael had the strength to break metal chains, he could have done it years before.
Also, to say that the unrated escape has no relation to the story and only exists to be edgy is a bit unfair. It was shown from the beginning that the oversexualized environment that Michael inhabited during his childhood was one of the factors that contributed to his mental decline and the guards in that scene probably reminded him of those days. It also showed the importance of the masks since he was completely non-reactive until his masks were touched.
Interesting point. The idea of Michael breaking chains whenever he wanted is true but we know that he was "shut down" at Smith's Grove until that "silent alarm was triggered".
What pisses me off about this movie is no one had any idea what this movie was supposed to be about. There are so many ideas that contradict each other. I feel like there is a great movie there somewhere.
I think the rape scene was an event that traumatized Michael even more as he was used to being left alone. It springboarded his extreme violence after his escape!
I have to disagree. I don't think the rape scene added anything at all. It didn't affect Michael in the least. He didn't react until they touched his masks hanging on the wall. I don't think it's possible to traumatize a person who has no conscience and I don't think his shitty home environment played much of a factor in the way he turned out. Sociopaths are generally created by their environment. Michael is a psychopath. He was basically born without a soul for lack of a better word.
@@ojmcclanahan689 I respectfully disagree. The child Michael in that movie was sensitive and bullied and mistreated so badly that his conscience retreated to the back of his head. The rape snapped him out of his fog.
@@zeidenmedia At this point I'm wondering if we even say the same movie. Sounds like some kind of Mandela Effect thing going on here because the character you're describing and the character I saw sound like two vastly different characters. The Michael Myers I saw was not sensitive as a kid. He got his rocks off by torturing and killing animals then taking polaroids of it. The Michael Myers I saw never had a conscience to begin with and the Michael Myers I saw didn't care about what was going on behind him until they messed with his masks. It's kind of amazing how two people can see the same thing so differently.
@ojmcclanahan689 Yeah, I saw a very abusive stepfather and how he got bullied horribly. I guess we saw different movies.
@@zeidenmedia Yeah, the mom's boyfriend was a first class prick, but there's different factors at work here. He got teased in one scene before brutally murdering the kid in the woods. A poor sensitive child would not have done that, nor would he have been torturing and killing animals and doing god know what with them. He did have a dead cat in his book bag while all of this is going on. He was murdering his pet rat when the movie began. From a psychological standpoint, Michael Myers is a psychopath who's instincts are more akin to an animal than a person. You fall into the same category as the security guard who died because he thought he had a bond with Michael, as well as the nurse who trusted him with a metal fork, and the other people at Smith's Grove who completely ignored Dr. Loomis' warnings. There's two specific thing that Dr. Loomis says in the movie that you're ignoring. One is "The darkest souls are not those which choose to exist within the hell of the abyss, but choose to break free and move silently among us." The other is "He is mad that trusts in the tameness of a wolf." He was never some poor abused kid that was twisted by his unfortunate environment. Michael Myers would have been what he is regardless of where he came from.
I loved the first remake from zombie. But the sequel in my opinion was absolutely trash. Just my opinion
I like the 120 use the original John Carpenter soundtrack . Can someone please tell me where I can find it . I wish I knew how I got this first one .
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I wanna believe there is a cut of the film titled "Skullfuck Edition" lol
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Jason is better then halloween
Rob zombie halloween doesn't not count as real halloween movies
I thought they were both terrible. I will say that the extra scenes with the kid in the sanitarium were better, but the rape scene escape was pathetic. Over all they were just like the characters, mostly trash
I think the rape scene was great, only because it was interesting to see michaels reaction to this.
His halloween movies were pretty bad especially h2. But the workprint cut of halloween 1 was the best version I think. It was leaked quite a bit before the movie released and was up to download lol 😆
My primary issue with Rob's Halloween, as is the case with literally ALL his films, it winds up being the same Antagonist story line: Psych0, r3d-n3ck, Hillb1ll13s doing psychotic and violent things. I loved House of 1000 Corpses. His follow up The Devil's Rejects was a FAR better film than House and in my opinion is the peak of his talent and work. After that, it was the same movie, just with different characters and all staring his Wife. I liked the strong violence in his Halloween remake, but the characters are so off-putting and petulant that you really just want them all to die. So I had some trouble digesting his "vision." Be that as it may, I still own both on bluray. I don't hate it enough to never watch it again. :)
Dr satan is by far the best thing about house of a thousand corpses.
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Every version sucks ass because Zombie made a rookie mistake & humanized one of cinemas most iconic killers. Literally nobody asked for that.