I'd quite like to see the cybermen used in a more Faustian way. They just show up to a planet dying of plague or famine and don't force or attack anyone but just offer conversions. It would kinda play out like Children of Earth.
Using the mondasian cybermen design would be nice too, they work do well cause they're so creepy. Possibly have a survivor cyberman that slowly upgrades a small village because of their worry of the plague. Have him like the lone cyberman, some of his emotions are still there and hes tricking them.
Maybe they use an ambassador; a silver-tongued devil talking people into conversion while the Doctor has to out-argue them and skirts moral greyness as without conversion thousands will die from the plague, but is death better?
@@meris8486 That could be good. I'd take it this ambassador would be a human looking character- cybermen voices might not be the best at sounding smooth talking and convincing?
That's what gets me so upset from only TV watchers. They think a story about a race, or The Doctor, traveling & altering events throughout time & space should be straight forward & have easy answers. I feel like the best answers only give you more questions.
I just sort of handwave it. The Doctor changes history constantly, that there must be all sorts of branching timelines out there, some where the Cybermen come from Mondas, or Telos, or that other Mondas, or where they salvage parts from Pete's World Cybermen and so on.
@@DoinItforNewCommTech that is definitely what it is timelords can travel between dimensions and timelines so we know its possible though the doctor doesnt do it because its difficult. Which means every change the doctor makes does change the time line to some degree it only makes sense things begin to change and events witnessed become different over time thats what playing time does.
My 2 favourite jokes about the Cybermen... The Next Doctor: Doctor: "Whoa, that's cheating sneaking up. Do you have your legs on silent?" Death in Heaven: Missy Cyberman: "Human weaponry is ineffective against Cyber technology." Kate: "I'm sorry, you left this behind on one of your previous attempts." *throws down helmet from The Invasion*
Terrific theoretical analysis, however, I know, because I was a BBCtv visual effects assistant in the early eighties, that the iterations in the Cyberman design had less to do with the drive for innovation than the fact that we couldn't be arsed to check the tapes from the previous series to find out what they looked like. We guessed. Same applies to the Daleks. That's probably why the Cybermens' planet changed its name slightly. Somebody just mis-remembered. Dr Who is a work of genius. When making telly there is no real space; it is all illusional, and there is no real time because broadcast is delayed. It is an adventure in the process of its own creation.
This is an amazing reason for the Cybermen to keep changing. “We forgot what they looked like so we just kinda guessed” is the most BBC thing to ever BBC.
@@TheSparrrow I get that as well, it's a weird world we live in. When there's a thought You know Johnny Lawrence in cobra kai first used Facebook and he saw his old girlfriends profile he liked ALL her photos every last one, his student migel face palmed silently
Thanos: “I am inevitable.” Cyberman: “We are inevitable.” Thanos: *Gets killed by a magical rock collection* Cyberman: *Gets killed by a magic screwdrivers*
I'd like to see one of these for The Slitheen. They've got a great design and despite only appearing as villains for 3 episodes in 2005, I swear they were used in promotions and merch for nearly a decade. I wanna know what those good gassy lads have been up to.
If I had brought back the Cybermen in the revival, i would've given them kind, melodic and peaceful sounding voices as a way of potentially luring people into conversion. It would make them much more unnerving and close to home what with Siri and Alexa nowadays, and would make a nice contrast to the Daleks.
My personal favourite kind of Cyberstory are the few where they actually make a convincing case for conversion. The Flood is REALLY good at this, making true on the fact that they WOULD eradicate world hunger and poverty.
A kind, melodic voice would work. And then have their voices change to the voices used in The Moonbase and Tomb of the Cybermen, which were created using an electrolarnyx.
Yes the "Colchester" episode. As a Colchester resident it really annoyed me, that seeing as most of the episode could be filmed in doors why the BBC didn't just chuck a few guys with a camera in a van and send them to Colchester to get some proper external establishing shots!!!
Y’know the fact that they didn’t actually film it in Colchester doesn’t bother me half as much as the fact that the entire episode is based around a big indoor shopping centre, despite Colchester not having a big indoor shopping centre.
It would make for an interesting ark were a planet is dying and the cybermen have convinced the population that conversion is the only option for survival - and then the doctor shows up. Rather than the usual invasion.
This sounds good. It could slowly develop starting from a place of people just helping to keep themselves alive through technology, so it can show more of a grey area,
I actually really want a Genesis of the Cybermen, set on Mondas, potentially around 1966 as the original Tenth Planet was 86. Also, an Asylum would suit them far better then the Daleks because obviously the failure of the emotional inhibitor would lead to insanity, that the Cybermen would obviously incarcerate one for, perhaps for further assimilation.
They should've made the starter episode of Series 7 "The Asylum of the Cybermen". The Doctor and his companions are kidnapped by The Parliament of the Cybermen to traverse the Asylum finding horrible disfigured Mondasion, Earthshock, Tomb and Cybus Cybermen. Oswin Oswald is actually a half converted Mondasian Cyberman.
nightowl That’s reality of why Doctor Who (and why there’s always a sizeable subset of casual viewers permanently hating on the show)- the reason it’s so awesome is the wiiiiiide potential. It was Hinchcliffe Who pointed out they could do *anything*.
@@MrLtia1234 There's a sizable amount of people hating on the show because Chibnill used the season 12 finale to take a fat hot steaming shit over 60 *YEARS* of established Doctor Who lore! Let us be a little mad about it!! (or was your comment from before that duce dropped?)
@@jacobredfield1386 It actually doesn't break Who-lore at all. What is actually did was fix a few old holes (believe me, there are plenty). It was also pretty terrible, but those two facts aren't related, sorry.
They should do a story set in ancient Greece with cybermen but the cybermen look kinda like Spartan warriors or something because those are the materials and armour they have to convert people.
They're my favourite villains of all time. I wrote one story called 'Like a Doll's Eyes.' An alien doll-maker loses his daughter and then loses his mind, and - obsessed with preserving the next generation - converts hospital kids into Cyberdolls. Such creepy imagery. No other villain is so broad, yet so defined. Brilliant concept!
The Cybermen always appear as a final act of desperation against human extinction. I feel like the toclofane were a type of Cyberman lineage. They are the last of humanity suffering the heat death of the universe and instead of removing emotions, they hard code themselves with a childlike personality, which becomes horrifying when they demonstrate their eagerness to kill with no consequence.
one of my favourite cyberman moments is when yvonne hartman gets converted and straight up blows up those cybermen while saying “i did my duty for queen and country” and cries an oil tear. shit hit me right in the feels
What bugs me is how cavalier they are with killing people, they should have tasers or anti-riot gear to incapacitate targets, their big guns should be reserved for warfare not skirmishes.
Okay, I had to pause the video for a moment when that picture of the Cyberman taking a smoke break flashed up. I've never seen that image before, and it's fucking brilliant!
9:19 that's awesome tho! Heaven on Mondas is another short script I've done. Basically all my ideas revolve around the Cybermen tbh. I'll never stop having ideas, they're such a good concept.
Exactly. I don't know if it's ever been confirmed that that is one of the ideas that created the Cybermen, but it's definitely interesting to look in to.
@nightowl Reminds me of: "There is trouble with the trees for the maples want more sunlight and the Oaks ignore their pleas. But now the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, axe, and saw…" Just as cybermen make everyone equal through scalpels, bone saws and steel with an emotional inhibitor so you can act like none of it happened.
@@gavinpicard3003 Marx himself (and thus his proponents, be them Lenin, Stalin or any Marxist-Leninists or proponents of Marx's so-called Dialectic Materialism™ aka Hegelian ripoff). He was against any notion of transhumanism/eugenism, biological selection or evolutionary supremacy (although transhumanism as a concept may not strictly indicate a biological transcendence). Your reply unfortunetaly tells me that you're not aware of his writings on the theory and practice of natural sciences and his unilateral bitch fight with Darwin, Wallace and Huxley or let's say his personal crusade as he was no man of science, yet he dabbled in the fields he had no knowledge therof. There's a reason Marx and Engels opposed Darwinian evolution and Mendelian genetics and his successors, the Soviet Union made Lysenkoism the state religion by rejecting then modern genetics and biology. Holodomor was literally caused by this pseudo-scientific belief and damaged the Soviet agricultural development and hindered their exploration of the genetics. Stalin hanged or exiled many biologists who simply opposed Lysenkoism. It seems like early Doctor Who writers also lacked the skills of the philosophy and or/history of science and thus drew the simple allegory of communism = transhumanism. No, communists are against transhumanism because it simply violates their main principle: equality, both in social and biological sense.
Me (Before watching dr who last night): *I’m actually excited for Dr Who tonight! Excited for the Cybermen! All I want is a Cyberman army, I’ll be happy if there is a Cyberman army!* Me (watching dr who last night): *Are those... Cyberman heads flying around?* My brother: *Yep*
Love your work, Sam. You're a genuine original. Hope you're getting paid for some of it these days. Oh and don't worry about doing more conventional content. Well, OK, worry about it if it helps monetise your channel. Otherwise, keep on being Sam.
15 minute presentation. Ended by the "clown show" dancing with the stars. All i remember are the 2 dancers at the end of the video. Like for the research
I’ve been trying to make as much sense of this as possible this past week and just gave up, not even the writers could explain where their cybermen fit
Apparently Star Wars has the possibility of Cybermen with the latest SWTOR expansion which mentions a species that relies on cybernetics and at some point they'd eventually get to the point of Cybermen... well it would be a possibility if Disney didn't nuke Star Wars: Legends.
I, too, have always wanted to a converted Adric story. Like, survived the crash by partially converting himself? He decides to live in the shadows and get his vengeance on the Doctor. It could work really well fer Big Finish . . . Dunno if they could pull it off live action.
I'd play it more as that crazed Cyberman is their way in, leading to the sad reveal that the nearby organic matter / available mind was used. Either way, its wanky as hell- but would drive some much-needed closure out of Tegan Nyssa and 5.
To be fair, the Cybermen showing up in Victorian England in 'The Next Doctor' was apparently the result of the barriers breaking down because of the Daleks. The same plot device that lets 10, Donna, Rose & Meta-Crisis Doctor to go to Pete's World
I don't think I'll ever forget when I was a little kid and saw The Five Doctors for the first time. In it, there was one shot where you could very clearly see the actor's mouth under the helmet (when they and the Master were coming to an agreement on the hill), and that absolutely terrified me. I'd already seen quite a few Cybermen episodes at that point, so I knew what they were about, but that mistake was what really made the fact that they were human underneath sink in, and that shook me to the core. I mean, I was a little kid (like maybe four or five), as far as I was concerned, that shit was real.
Has it ever been explained why the cybermen design always stays the same in New Who? It's always either the 2006 or 2013 design, e. g. episodes like The Doctor Falls, Nightmare in Silver, Dark Water and Rise of the Cybermen have nothing to do with each other
As someone who's favorite Doctor Who villains are the Cybermen, this is the first video I saw on this channel and you got an instant subscribe the second I heard "These are the saddest bois around and they don't even know it" because YES
Revenge of the Cybermen was my first Doctor Who serial. In the US, they would run an entire serial on Saturday nights on the Public Broadcast System, and young me was trying to find a reason to stay up late. My mom knew how much I loved sci-fi, so I was like: "Look, there are robots! I have to see this!" Even though it's pretty cheap looking, just this weird idea of a dude traveling through time foiling the plans of evil doers, including rolling trash cans with plungers and guys wrapped up in tin foil with flashlights on their heads, totally enchanted eleven year old me. And as I continued to watch, I got past the crappy special effects and learned the love the awesome stories. When the actors give it their all, you just kind of don't notice the f/x so much. Now, one of my favorite shows! And it's nice to know that the Daleks are out there to shut down the Cybermen when they get out of hand.
Honestly, I’d love a story of a Cyberman who somehow escaped conversion early, still in Cyberman body, but their mind is their own, still with their emotions, but still connected to the hive mind network of the cyberiad and they have to try to keep their mind from being taken back into the hive and become a mindless, emotionless drone. Have the doctor end up trying to help them somehow
My personal headcanon for the issues in Cyberman lore with The Doctor Falls is that: A) They used shuttles to reach floor 497. While i can see one of the Season 8 Cybermen travelling through 200 metres of solid steel, i can't see the Mondasian or Lumic ones doing that. There are clearly accessible shuttles, as Nardole takes one. B) They don't upgrade themselves slowly. They would make an entire new designs similar to how Tony Stark builds a completely new suit to fix one issue. I could imagine the Lumic Cybermen being the "Mark 2" version of the Mondasian Cybermen, and the Season 8 Cybermen being the weapons grade version.
That makes sense. It makes perfect sense that the 66 cybermen are like the prototype and the cybus cybermen are the final product then the series 8 cybermen are the special weapons variant!
"Doctor who in Doctor Who" The main character goes around by The Doctor, I think the only time a character called themselves Doctor Who was Missy, joking around.
The 1966 Cybes were Not "technophobia" they reflected the worries of an era where heart replacements were being pioneered along with other potential often technology based "fixes" to medical problems, and those working on these such as Dr Kit Pedlar (the creator of the Cybermen who worked with using cameras to help the blind see) the philosophical conundrum that worried them was, how much of a human being can you replace and still be human, if you replace too much do you lose your humanity? That's the Cybermen.
I have a book about Cybermen written by David Banks who played Cybermen in Dr Who through out the 80's, at the back there is a short story that was written by Gerry Davis and Kit Pedlar called Genesis of the Cybermen it was a story of the origins of the Cybermen. It was written for a story within the series but sadly never got made, the story ends when refugees escape Mondas and flee to Earth, obviously suggesting these are the people the humans descended from.
What's great and terrifying about the Cybermen is how resilient they are as a "species." No matter how many you wipe out, if one survives, or if they're not all melted down, they're guaranteed to come back for more conversions.
I always thought the cybermen would make a great metaphor for religious extremists. As in, 'We have found the secret to immortality, and we will share that with you, for your own good. All you must do, is remove/suppress any factors that make you distinct from our ideals. Behave as we do. Convert others. If you resist, or are too incompatible, you are only worthy of destruction.' I honestly thought this might be where the half-converted cyberman in season 12 was going.
It's my personal belief that all the cybermen from telos and planet 14 were from ships sent from Mondas, send out into the universe to take over planets and find a new home world but that's my own head cannon.
@@blackphoenix77 Because the Doctor has stated that there are fix points in time that should never be changed and disaster results anytime he tries, such as the Mars special where he saved the astronauts and yet the Captain killed herself to prove the point to the Doctor that he shouldn't have such absolute power.
@@SamyulDavis I'm a fan of Fenech! It was adorable! "Come on" back as well - it humanizes you, and the rest of your delivery and editing was perfect. indestinct-shuh-buhl actually *improves* the clip!
I have a new take for the Cybermen to be reintroduced to modern audiences. It would be amazing for the Cybermen revert back to Mondasian Cyberman. So rather than being killer robots, depression has become so prevalent that humans decidedly to give up their emotions and became drones. Devoid of all emotions, just working for the elites. All robotic slaves, willingly to give up their emotions, just not to feel the pain anymore.
With all the different Cybermen versions and factions, kinda want a story involving a Cyberman civil war one day, like two factions of cybermen, due to differences in either way to convert, or off differing goals, have them fight each other and just have the doctor and his companions just stuck in the middle
There is a fan audio tape (later released an official BBC CD) complete with a timeline chart included as part of it's packaging entitled Origins of the Cybermen that takes 50 minutes to just cover the history of Old Who and Target novelisations Cybermen. However you're going to do "the lot" in 15 minutes. This should be good. :)
Okay, okay, I think I've got this. Where ever humans exist, there will always be someone wanting to become cyborgs. This is the easiest way of explaining the Cyberman's multiple origin stories.
I suspect we will need to do a Dallas... "Wow! Bobby! You are alive! What a crazy dream those last two years were!"... to fix this. The next show runner is going to have massive work to do to repair and the fans are just going to have to... buy it and move on...
I'd quite like to see the cybermen used in a more Faustian way. They just show up to a planet dying of plague or famine and don't force or attack anyone but just offer conversions. It would kinda play out like Children of Earth.
Or show it as 'the lesser of 2 evils' as the only way to survive and assault from another species or something.
Using the mondasian cybermen design would be nice too, they work do well cause they're so creepy. Possibly have a survivor cyberman that slowly upgrades a small village because of their worry of the plague. Have him like the lone cyberman, some of his emotions are still there and hes tricking them.
@@cybrmaTS genuinely would make them scary and interesting again.
Maybe they use an ambassador; a silver-tongued devil talking people into conversion while the Doctor has to out-argue them and skirts moral greyness as without conversion thousands will die from the plague, but is death better?
@@meris8486 That could be good. I'd take it this ambassador would be a human looking character- cybermen voices might not be the best at sounding smooth talking and convincing?
Making sense of Doctor Who timeline... Not even time lords can do that.
That's what gets me so upset from only TV watchers.
They think a story about a race, or The Doctor, traveling & altering events throughout time & space should be straight forward & have easy answers.
I feel like the best answers only give you more questions.
A lot of inconsistencies but very interesting
I just sort of handwave it. The Doctor changes history constantly, that there must be all sorts of branching timelines out there, some where the Cybermen come from Mondas, or Telos, or that other Mondas, or where they salvage parts from Pete's World Cybermen and so on.
@@DoinItforNewCommTech that is definitely what it is timelords can travel between dimensions and timelines so we know its possible though the doctor doesnt do it because its difficult.
Which means every change the doctor makes does change the time line to some degree it only makes sense things begin to change and events witnessed become different over time thats what playing time does.
They arnt evwn time lords anymore. There just fucking average aliens with doctor DNA spliced into them, bullllshit
My 2 favourite jokes about the Cybermen...
The Next Doctor:
Doctor: "Whoa, that's cheating sneaking up. Do you have your legs on silent?"
Death in Heaven:
Missy Cyberman: "Human weaponry is ineffective against Cyber technology."
Kate: "I'm sorry, you left this behind on one of your previous attempts." *throws down helmet from The Invasion*
Mine has to be from Doomsday
Dalek Thay: Cybermen are superior in only one respect
Cyberman: what is that?
Dalek Thay: you are better at dying
@@fear_cheetah2079 I'm pretty sure that it's Sec that says that. Also that reminds me of Bitch Fight in Canary Wharf...
@CheetaH I loved that episode, hilarious
TBH The 14 Cybermen were pussies when compared to the Mondas or Telos Cybermen.
@@Jedi_Spartan This is not war, this is Cyber Bullying
The best Cyberman moment was the argument between them and The Daleks in “doomsday”
Rob Agreed
Best? No. Funniest? Certainly.
Guys just watch the youtube video " Bitch fight at the canary warfh "
Matthew Ford BUGGAR you took the words right out of my mouth
@@thecoloradokid5418 because of that joe vevers video I will ALWAYS refer to the battle of the canary wharf as the bitch fight of canary wharf
Terrific theoretical analysis, however, I know, because I was a BBCtv visual effects assistant in the early eighties, that the iterations in the Cyberman design had less to do with the drive for innovation than the fact that we couldn't be arsed to check the tapes from the previous series to find out what they looked like. We guessed. Same applies to the Daleks. That's probably why the Cybermens' planet changed its name slightly. Somebody just mis-remembered. Dr Who is a work of genius. When making telly there is no real space; it is all illusional, and there is no real time because broadcast is delayed. It is an adventure in the process of its own creation.
Could not agree more.
This is an amazing reason for the Cybermen to keep changing.
“We forgot what they looked like so we just kinda guessed” is the most BBC thing to ever BBC.
I miss Murray Gold. His Cyberman theme is just mwah 😘👌
@Bilbous Bagoda Greatest cybermen music was ending of "World Enough and Time".
I prefer the creepiness of Martin Slavin's "Space Adventure Parts 1-3"; but Murray Gold's music works for the Cybermen too.
I found it too repetitive and it was super played out, we needed a different tune
@@theentity5201 My Entity in Christ, I said that two years ago.
@@TheSparrrow I get that as well, it's a weird world we live in. When there's a thought
You know Johnny Lawrence in cobra kai first used Facebook and he saw his old girlfriends profile he liked ALL her photos every last one, his student migel face palmed silently
Thanos: “I am inevitable.”
Cyberman: “We are inevitable.”
Thanos: *Gets killed by a magical rock collection*
Cyberman: *Gets killed by a magic screwdrivers*
Kieba How shiny gems, glowy screwdriver lol.
And gold. Ordinary, nonmagical, but shiny gold.
I'd like to see one of these for The Slitheen. They've got a great design and despite only appearing as villains for 3 episodes in 2005, I swear they were used in promotions and merch for nearly a decade. I wanna know what those good gassy lads have been up to.
I'll make sure they're next on the pile! very biased towards my blathereen bitches
The sarah jane adventures kept using them too which was great. But yes i agree. They've always stuck in my head since i was 8 years old.
Daniel Pullella It was nice that they managed to get so many stories from the Slitheen and Blathereen.
If I had brought back the Cybermen in the revival, i would've given them kind, melodic and peaceful sounding voices as a way of potentially luring people into conversion. It would make them much more unnerving and close to home what with Siri and Alexa nowadays, and would make a nice contrast to the Daleks.
Castellan of Gundabad that’s such a good idea
My personal favourite kind of Cyberstory are the few where they actually make a convincing case for conversion. The Flood is REALLY good at this, making true on the fact that they WOULD eradicate world hunger and poverty.
you know alexa listens to your conversations, so I think that is a great idea!!
A kind, melodic voice would work. And then have their voices change to the voices used in The Moonbase and Tomb of the Cybermen, which were created using an electrolarnyx.
@Atahualpa Inca or, cybermen made from timelords!
Oh, wait 😬
“This ones sassy” that line made me subscribe bc it came out of nowhere. 10/10. Actually Lol’d
Yes the "Colchester" episode. As a Colchester resident it really annoyed me, that seeing as most of the episode could be filmed in doors why the BBC didn't just chuck a few guys with a camera in a van and send them to Colchester to get some proper external establishing shots!!!
Y’know the fact that they didn’t actually film it in Colchester doesn’t bother me half as much as the fact that the entire episode is based around a big indoor shopping centre, despite Colchester not having a big indoor shopping centre.
It would make for an interesting ark were a planet is dying and the cybermen have convinced the population that conversion is the only option for survival - and then the doctor shows up. Rather than the usual invasion.
Irrelevant12 ??? This would be a great concept!
Arc. But, y’know?
This sounds good. It could slowly develop starting from a place of people just helping to keep themselves alive through technology, so it can show more of a grey area,
James corden wasn’t converted as they didn’t have a suit to fit him
Even the Cybermen can't reprogram Corden's massive ego
😳
Even if they just shoved his head in the helmet and blocked up the air holes.
Thomas Moir I thought they were gonna use that obese one that fought the sixth doctor
I actually really want a Genesis of the Cybermen, set on Mondas, potentially around 1966 as the original Tenth Planet was 86. Also, an Asylum would suit them far better then the Daleks because obviously the failure of the emotional inhibitor would lead to insanity, that the Cybermen would obviously incarcerate one for, perhaps for further assimilation.
They should've made the starter episode of Series 7 "The Asylum of the Cybermen". The Doctor and his companions are kidnapped by The Parliament of the Cybermen to traverse the Asylum finding horrible disfigured Mondasion, Earthshock, Tomb and Cybus Cybermen. Oswin Oswald is actually a half converted Mondasian Cyberman.
holy shit, this would've made x10 more sense!
And it’s only going to get more complicated with the series 12 finale
We need Cyber wars in the canon. Trust me, the potential is infinite.
nightowl That’s reality of why Doctor Who (and why there’s always a sizeable subset of casual viewers permanently hating on the show)- the reason it’s so awesome is the wiiiiiide potential. It was Hinchcliffe Who pointed out they could do *anything*.
Nah episodes were shit
@@MrLtia1234 There's a sizable amount of people hating on the show because Chibnill used the season 12 finale to take a fat hot steaming shit over 60 *YEARS* of established Doctor Who lore! Let us be a little mad about it!! (or was your comment from before that duce dropped?)
@@jacobredfield1386 It actually doesn't break Who-lore at all. What is actually did was fix a few old holes (believe me, there are plenty).
It was also pretty terrible, but those two facts aren't related, sorry.
That clip at the end will haunt me forever
The context of Jack's warning is worse than we all feared.
@@nightowl8477 Fucking hell, what DOES it want? I don't wanna know, actually...
@Rory Goodchild I did, it wants that sweet, sweet Cyberium.
They should do a story set in ancient Greece with cybermen but the cybermen look kinda like Spartan warriors or something because those are the materials and armour they have to convert people.
They're my favourite villains of all time. I wrote one story called 'Like a Doll's Eyes.' An alien doll-maker loses his daughter and then loses his mind, and - obsessed with preserving the next generation - converts hospital kids into Cyberdolls.
Such creepy imagery. No other villain is so broad, yet so defined. Brilliant concept!
Sounds phenomenal.
Sounds wonderfully disturbing, if the angels can make cherubs creepy then cybermen could make Dolls even creepier
Gawd! Please let me read that! Is it a Doctor Who story?
That actually sounds brilliant
The Cybermen always appear as a final act of desperation against human extinction. I feel like the toclofane were a type of Cyberman lineage. They are the last of humanity suffering the heat death of the universe and instead of removing emotions, they hard code themselves with a childlike personality, which becomes horrifying when they demonstrate their eagerness to kill with no consequence.
one of my favourite cyberman moments is when yvonne hartman gets converted and straight up blows up those cybermen while saying “i did my duty for queen and country” and cries an oil tear. shit hit me right in the feels
That one and the one with Bill "I waited, I waited, I waited for you". Both of these scenes bring me to tears every time.
The cyberman are such an amazing concept with such untapped potential
What bugs me is how cavalier they are with killing people, they should have tasers or anti-riot gear to incapacitate targets, their big guns should be reserved for warfare not skirmishes.
Okay, I had to pause the video for a moment when that picture of the Cyberman taking a smoke break flashed up. I've never seen that image before, and it's fucking brilliant!
Humanity might be upgrading but old habits die hard even in circuitry.
Love, love, love your stuff!
I learn things I've never heard, & probably would never had due to so much extra content in PROSE/Audio.
The worst thing you've ever seen is now the worst thing I've ever seen.
Thanks for that.
9:19 that's awesome tho! Heaven on Mondas is another short script I've done. Basically all my ideas revolve around the Cybermen tbh. I'll never stop having ideas, they're such a good concept.
*You forgot about the Communism!* There's a reason why we've always asked for Daleks vs. Cybermen. It's a battle of ideology.
Exactly. I don't know if it's ever been confirmed that that is one of the ideas that created the Cybermen, but it's definitely interesting to look in to.
@nightowl
Reminds me of: "There is trouble with the trees for the maples want more sunlight and the Oaks ignore their pleas. But now the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, axe, and saw…" Just as cybermen make everyone equal through scalpels, bone saws and steel with an emotional inhibitor so you can act like none of it happened.
Communism minus transhumanism. Cybermen are transhumanists and communism is against transhumanism.
John Smith Who says communism is against transhumanism?
@@gavinpicard3003 Marx himself (and thus his proponents, be them Lenin, Stalin or any Marxist-Leninists or proponents of Marx's so-called Dialectic Materialism™ aka Hegelian ripoff). He was against any notion of transhumanism/eugenism, biological selection or evolutionary supremacy (although transhumanism as a concept may not strictly indicate a biological transcendence).
Your reply unfortunetaly tells me that you're not aware of his writings on the theory and practice of natural sciences and his unilateral bitch fight with Darwin, Wallace and Huxley or let's say his personal crusade as he was no man of science, yet he dabbled in the fields he had no knowledge therof.
There's a reason Marx and Engels opposed Darwinian evolution and Mendelian genetics and his successors, the Soviet Union made Lysenkoism the state religion by rejecting then modern genetics and biology. Holodomor was literally caused by this pseudo-scientific belief and damaged the Soviet agricultural development and hindered their exploration of the genetics. Stalin hanged or exiled many biologists who simply opposed Lysenkoism.
It seems like early Doctor Who writers also lacked the skills of the philosophy and or/history of science and thus drew the simple allegory of communism = transhumanism. No, communists are against transhumanism because it simply violates their main principle: equality, both in social and biological sense.
Me (Before watching dr who last night): *I’m actually excited for Dr Who tonight! Excited for the Cybermen! All I want is a Cyberman army, I’ll be happy if there is a Cyberman army!*
Me (watching dr who last night): *Are those... Cyberman heads flying around?*
My brother: *Yep*
"We need a design for these Cyberdrones, can you come up with something?"
"Sure, how much time do we have?"
"About 3 minutes"
They're basically the kids from The Utopia/Last of the Timelords.
I'm not sure it's worth keeping track of timelines in Doctor Who, each show runner does their own thing.
Loving the Whitaker variants, very 70s.
It's definitely futile and takes the fun out, this is just a bit of fun parody of the idea that everything has to go on a consistent timeline
Love your work, Sam. You're a genuine original. Hope you're getting paid for some of it these days. Oh and don't worry about doing more conventional content. Well, OK, worry about it if it helps monetise your channel. Otherwise, keep on being Sam.
15 minute presentation. Ended by the "clown show" dancing with the stars. All i remember are the 2 dancers at the end of the video. Like for the research
I’ve been trying to make as much sense of this as possible this past week and just gave up, not even the writers could explain where their cybermen fit
Doctor Who canon has always been an oxymoron.
The Cybermen are this inexplicable mixture of terrifyingly efficient and also *incredibly* unlucky
Apparently Star Wars has the possibility of Cybermen with the latest SWTOR expansion which mentions a species that relies on cybernetics and at some point they'd eventually get to the point of Cybermen... well it would be a possibility if Disney didn't nuke Star Wars: Legends.
Star wars + Doctor who..... Epic.
@@jeckjeck3119 Dumb.
@Aunchient Pistol also said warp looks like hyperspace from Star Wars.
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And Jojo in Doctor Who. Now I want to see that. Bad Wolf will be Doctor's stand.
That last episode was very fan wanky and I loved it. 80s Cybermen, Gallifrey and the Master. Perfect
80s cybermen? Where?
Daniel Pullella the Earthshock design.
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I, too, have always wanted to a converted Adric story. Like, survived the crash by partially converting himself?
He decides to live in the shadows and get his vengeance on the Doctor.
It could work really well fer Big Finish . . .
Dunno if they could pull it off live action.
I'd play it more as that crazed Cyberman is their way in, leading to the sad reveal that the nearby organic matter / available mind was used. Either way, its wanky as hell- but would drive some much-needed closure out of Tegan Nyssa and 5.
To be fair, the Cybermen showing up in Victorian England in 'The Next Doctor' was apparently the result of the barriers breaking down because of the Daleks. The same plot device that lets 10, Donna, Rose & Meta-Crisis Doctor to go to Pete's World
I don't think I'll ever forget when I was a little kid and saw The Five Doctors for the first time. In it, there was one shot where you could very clearly see the actor's mouth under the helmet (when they and the Master were coming to an agreement on the hill), and that absolutely terrified me. I'd already seen quite a few Cybermen episodes at that point, so I knew what they were about, but that mistake was what really made the fact that they were human underneath sink in, and that shook me to the core. I mean, I was a little kid (like maybe four or five), as far as I was concerned, that shit was real.
The 80's versions are probably my favorite, mostly from David Banks emoting more than a Cyberman probably should in his performances.
DAVIS: "When are we getting a converted Adric story, Big Finish?"
EVERYONE ELSE: "Never!"
Adric would make a good 80s cyber lieutenant because he’s a math nerd.
Has it ever been explained why the cybermen design always stays the same in New Who? It's always either the 2006 or 2013 design, e. g. episodes like The Doctor Falls, Nightmare in Silver, Dark Water and Rise of the Cybermen have nothing to do with each other
I like this "broke cannon" series/format/thing
Considering they travel through time, I'm suddenly wondering why we don't have caveman cybermen.
Can't deplete the original stock!
Cole's cybermen who fought in the Last Great Time War are also worth mentioning.
Beware the lone cybernan. He's gonna rock the dancefloor 🤣🤣🤣
This was like a nice warm continuity hug to my canon frustrated brain
Me 2017: Nothing can ever be worse than Moffat....
*Time passes*
Me 2020: *Incoherent screaming*
:)
Never have I felt such disgust writhe across my face. That end clip is a sin and you have sinned for using it, DAVIS.
Still better than last season.
Woah woah woah..... You seemed to gloss over the Cyber Slitheen.
I NEED SLITHEEEEEÈEN!!!!!
Cyber Judoon too!!
Oh “The World Shapers”, your nonsensical attempt at canon fixing leading to more canon problems never ceases to amaze me!
Girl in the fireplace could have been a perfect revival Cyberman origin.
Big Finish already did a sequel to Earthshock showing what happened to Adric, he became king of a group of scorpions in dinosaur times
As someone who's favorite Doctor Who villains are the Cybermen, this is the first video I saw on this channel and you got an instant subscribe the second I heard "These are the saddest bois around and they don't even know it" because YES
Revenge of the Cybermen was my first Doctor Who serial. In the US, they would run an entire serial on Saturday nights on the Public Broadcast System, and young me was trying to find a reason to stay up late. My mom knew how much I loved sci-fi, so I was like: "Look, there are robots! I have to see this!" Even though it's pretty cheap looking, just this weird idea of a dude traveling through time foiling the plans of evil doers, including rolling trash cans with plungers and guys wrapped up in tin foil with flashlights on their heads, totally enchanted eleven year old me. And as I continued to watch, I got past the crappy special effects and learned the love the awesome stories. When the actors give it their all, you just kind of don't notice the f/x so much. Now, one of my favorite shows! And it's nice to know that the Daleks are out there to shut down the Cybermen when they get out of hand.
Honestly, I’d love a story of a Cyberman who somehow escaped conversion early, still in Cyberman body, but their mind is their own, still with their emotions, but still connected to the hive mind network of the cyberiad and they have to try to keep their mind from being taken back into the hive and become a mindless, emotionless drone. Have the doctor end up trying to help them somehow
My personal headcanon for the issues in Cyberman lore with The Doctor Falls is that:
A) They used shuttles to reach floor 497. While i can see one of the Season 8 Cybermen travelling through 200 metres of solid steel, i can't see the Mondasian or Lumic ones doing that. There are clearly accessible shuttles, as Nardole takes one.
B) They don't upgrade themselves slowly. They would make an entire new designs similar to how Tony Stark builds a completely new suit to fix one issue. I could imagine the Lumic Cybermen being the "Mark 2" version of the Mondasian Cybermen, and the Season 8 Cybermen being the weapons grade version.
That makes sense. It makes perfect sense that the 66 cybermen are like the prototype and the cybus cybermen are the final product then the series 8 cybermen are the special weapons variant!
Fun fact in age of steel the cyber man that was going to get married was originally supposed to be a 11 year old boy
I just have to say, that bit at the end WTF?!
"Doctor who in Doctor Who"
The main character goes around by The Doctor, I think the only time a character called themselves Doctor Who was Missy, joking around.
Actually, WOTAN and a few other characters in the War Machines refer to the Doctor as “Dr Who” so it’s technically two stories
The 1966 Cybes were Not "technophobia" they reflected the worries of an era where heart replacements were being pioneered along with other potential often technology based "fixes" to medical problems, and those working on these such as Dr Kit Pedlar (the creator of the Cybermen who worked with using cameras to help the blind see) the philosophical conundrum that worried them was, how much of a human being can you replace and still be human, if you replace too much do you lose your humanity? That's the Cybermen.
So...part of technophobia? You know you can start a point without derailing another.
I have a book about Cybermen written by David Banks who played Cybermen in Dr Who through out the 80's, at the back there is a short story that was written by Gerry Davis and Kit Pedlar called Genesis of the Cybermen it was a story of the origins of the Cybermen. It was written for a story within the series but sadly never got made, the story ends when refugees escape Mondas and flee to Earth, obviously suggesting these are the people the humans descended from.
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Subscribed for that beautiful rendition of the Cyberman theme
2:26 This is accurate and as an American I REALLY hate that it is.
14:57 I’ve never cringed so hard!!
Airwolf 276 my cheeks hurt from cringing
El Gweedy same
Ewwww that made me cringe
Tech10K me making that video?! Far from it!
I haven’t cringed that hard since Doctor in Distress
What's great and terrifying about the Cybermen is how resilient they are as a "species." No matter how many you wipe out, if one survives, or if they're not all melted down, they're guaranteed to come back for more conversions.
I effing loved that Cyber-risk flash game. Is it still up somewhere?
I believe it is all lost media :(
I always thought the cybermen would make a great metaphor for religious extremists. As in, 'We have found the secret to immortality, and we will share that with you, for your own good. All you must do, is remove/suppress any factors that make you distinct from our ideals. Behave as we do. Convert others. If you resist, or are too incompatible, you are only worthy of destruction.' I honestly thought this might be where the half-converted cyberman in season 12 was going.
“Now your just somebody that I used to know” gotye definitely talking about a cyberman
What's even harder is that the Cybermen don't even time travel, so, yeah... There's that.
That dance at the end tho ... sheer cringeworthy perfection 🤣🤣🤣
The original borg.
4:57 What comic is that?
Also, I laughed pretty hard.
It's my personal belief that all the cybermen from telos and planet 14 were from ships sent from Mondas, send out into the universe to take over planets and find a new home world but that's my own head cannon.
I didn't know that I died and went to a hellish existence in where this monstrosity exists: 14:55
that hell is called prime-time british television
The cybermen return with the dumbest looking faces of the modern era, it’s a nice call back but it looks like Kirby ate a cyberman
I had a vision that we will see Matt Smith. CAN YOU SEE HIM NOOOOOOOO
If you can replace the cybermen with darleks it's a bad cybermen story
13:25 they transformed into t-posing glowy cybermen, i can't wait for the memes of that!
Closing Time really triggers me because I grew up in and around Colchester.
There is no indoor shopping centre in Colchester.
There can’t be a doctor who canon when you can travel through time... it’ll keep on changing as episodes go on
I don't see how anyone can get upset by changes in canon on a series where timelines are constantly being rewritten
@@blackphoenix77 Because the Doctor has stated that there are fix points in time that should never be changed and disaster results anytime he tries, such as the Mars special where he saved the astronauts and yet the Captain killed herself to prove the point to the Doctor that he shouldn't have such absolute power.
I thought I'd repressed the Pterodactyl punch until now.
13:41 The only time that I won't mind if Chris reckons a part of Doctor Who history
Watching this video, I realize that the Cybermen are kind of incompent.
They just fuck up over and over, in a very distinctly human way.
10:21 "pretty indestinct-shuh-buhl"...? 😂 😂 👏 It's like a soundbyte of Housos by Fenech dropped in to say hello. 😅
Come on man
@@SamyulDavis I'm a fan of Fenech! It was adorable! "Come on" back as well - it humanizes you, and the rest of your delivery and editing was perfect. indestinct-shuh-buhl actually *improves* the clip!
The new Cybermasters from the season 12 finale is going to either make the cyber man lore really good or absolutely fuck it all up
well that was cyber bollocks , but they probly had them removed , oh well !
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Robocop is a cyberman.
I have a new take for the Cybermen to be reintroduced to modern audiences. It would be amazing for the Cybermen revert back to Mondasian Cyberman. So rather than being killer robots, depression has become so prevalent that humans decidedly to give up their emotions and became drones. Devoid of all emotions, just working for the elites. All robotic slaves, willingly to give up their emotions, just not to feel the pain anymore.
That's sounds a bit like Cybermen's strategy from graphic novel "The Flood"
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With all the different Cybermen versions and factions, kinda want a story involving a Cyberman civil war one day, like two factions of cybermen, due to differences in either way to convert, or off differing goals, have them fight each other and just have the doctor and his companions just stuck in the middle
I don't think they would it's kind of against their prime objective
To survive and upgrade
sees the weird dance thing at the end.....brain needs a reboot
One way to look at Cybermen and Daleks, Cybermen=Evolutionists - Daleks=Creationists.
There is a fan audio tape (later released an official BBC CD) complete with a timeline chart included as part of it's packaging entitled Origins of the Cybermen that takes 50 minutes to just cover the history of Old Who and Target novelisations Cybermen. However you're going to do "the lot" in 15 minutes. This should be good. :)
Wasn't there at some point ape-like cybermen or is that my memory from however long ago it was I watched Dr Who playing up?
Pretty sure that's the Cybershades? From The Next Doctor with David Tennant
Okay, okay, I think I've got this. Where ever humans exist, there will always be someone wanting to become cyborgs. This is the easiest way of explaining the Cyberman's multiple origin stories.
I think Cybermen are at their best when they play up the body horror and make it clear there are corpses in there and they're not just robots.
What is it with superior alien species not being able to steer their own craft
Where do I watch this thing about cyber Martha punching a pterodactyl?
That's torchwood series 1
Hit us with that phat Slitheen lore
The staff of Star Trek Discovery probably got their notes on how to wreck stuff from all this confusion.....
I suspect we will need to do a Dallas... "Wow! Bobby! You are alive! What a crazy dream those last two years were!"... to fix this. The next show runner is going to have massive work to do to repair and the fans are just going to have to... buy it and move on...