That's a bit harsh on The Master's plan from Utopia. Initially he was hiding out in human form at the end of the universe to escape the Time War. Which, y'know, worked. When he was unexpectedly rescued and only able to travel between two specific times, he made excellent use of that opportunity. You're talking like this was his supervillain plan from the beginning, when actually it was him rolling with the punches and doing a damn fine job of it. And let's not forget that the Doctor was totally and utterly defeated. In the end, the Doctor only won via what was possibly the single biggest ass-pull in the history of the show - and that's saying a lot.
Definitely a perfect assessment Im in present day and connected to the end of the universe How can I use this I mean he set up a global mind control network overnight, became prime minister and yeah, basically won Pretty damn successful for an off the cuff plan Missy is still way more competent though haha, I mean, she succeeded, the doctor just refused his part in it
I would say that Master is supposed to be like Doctor if Doctor lost his way. This is especially focused on in the new era of Doctor Who. Which is why it is actually important that Master does not plan ahead. Because, neither does the Doctor. It just always turns out well for Doctor, partly because Doctor is not alone. Let's remember "Turn Left", Doctor was alone and it resulted in his death. There is this contrast of two brilliant time lords, two of the smartest, most exceptional beings in the universe. Two beings so same yet so different. Like one person splitting into two bodies that both went their own separate way which results in them having different values in the end. Once they meet and spent some time together the Doctor manages to make Missy see errors of her/his ways - once again pointing out that they are basically the same.
Haha this is true, but he's also sooooo hammy. I still like his era, i still was so excited with his reveal back in the day, even if his finale is meh He's great alongside missy, but she's just SO much better hahah Although I still like him better than the current hammy bastard Offscreen nukes gallifrey, rants exposition for hours and cancelled out all of Missy's development.. And was party to character assassinating the doctor by having her sic Nazis on him hahaha, "see who you really are" yikes
As a villain, the master is always weak yet I like the way the doctor has an equal and/or child hood friend. Both Delgado and Michelle Gomez nail the whole forbidden friends aspect. Which, personally is why I love the master/Missy (specifically Gomez and Delgado) as a flip side/child hood friend to the doctor, much more than an actual villain.
Eh... The friendship is important, but it shouldn't go to the point were it feels like the Master isn't the Doctor's enemy. What makes the Master seem dangerous to me is that they're essentially a control freak with a god complex that stems largely from their Time Lord rank. It's what makes them a good contrast to the Doctor and is why Missy didn't feel like the Master as much, she didn't want power, she wanted to be the Doctor's friend. It kind of de-fangs the Master to me.
Ben Warburton hence why I said I don’t view the master as one of the best Villians. Simms was just absurd, despite the fact they got a very talented actor in they just practically had a pantomime bad guy in doctor who - as said in the video, Missy brought some class and credibility back to the character but the whole point of the master is the history. Hence why I enjoy Delgado and Gomez because both of which understand the importance of this, the scariest part of the master (for me) is the fact that he and the doctor were once a very similar person.
@@Ben-vf5gk You make a good point. The doctor always lives up to his name. Even when he forsook his name (war doctor) he still lived up to it. But the master cannot turn good without forsaking his name. That's exactly what missy did. She betrayed her own name. Don't get me wrong, I loved her as a character more than I do the master. But she wasn't the master.
@@Elnont Sorry, this is all opinion and I don't mean offense but class and credibility?" In Series 10 sure, but I wasn't thinking that when Missy was shoving her tongue into the Doctor's mouth. Simm worked because he oozed arrogance- "I'm a timelord I have that right"- and he still had quieter moments with the Doctor (like the phone call in Sound of Drums) that reminded us of the friendship but didn't sacrifice his place as an antagonist for that. Simm also puts the Doctor through hell and hurt him in ways no other villain could; he took over the world, tortured and humiliated him for a year and made him the last of his kind once again.
Tbf, the Master is a ridiculous villain, but doctor who is a ridiculous show. I think the reason people (or me) like the master showing up is that whoever is playing him or her is so good, you buy into whatever nonsense they are selling. The actors take the ridiculousness of the concept and run with it. The master is the joker to the doctor’s batman. Two sad, mysterious figures, destined to do battle forever. Also, his plans always seem more focused on getting one over the doctor than anything else. So I can’t really hate this villain
Same could be said for the Doctor, the only reason why the 10th Doctor's run was so good was because of David Tennant, same goes for Peter Eccelston, Matt Smith, and Peter Capaldi. No matter how ridiculous the script got the actor who plays the Doctor saves it, whats that? 2 farting alien politicians are planning to use nuclear power plants to power a space ship (I think), a library that a little girl in the matrix dreams of is real and is being attacked by shadows while the Doctor and his soon-to-be-dead wife are meeting for the first time, the Doctor invites his friends to watch him die by the hands of his wife, from the past, while his wife, current, is watching and when all is said and done the Doctor shows up in the diner with one of the invitations to watch himself die, whats next the Doctor spends 4.5 billion years basically Dark Soul-ing himself over and over until he punches his way through a wall of diamond and gets out and then proceeds to claim that a Hybrid is not one person that is two things but rather two people that are one thing, and then conquers Gallifrey to save Clara and then at the end he erases Clara from his own memories. Its all ridiculous, but the actors save it.
Me before this video: You know I disagree with Sam a lot, but that's kinda why he's entertaining, he makes good points, argues them well and everyone's entitled to their opinion... Me after seeing the Video in my recommended: Wait what?! BLASPHEMY!!!! HERETIC!!!
I really do love the Master especially John Simm's. On the point of him being lucky in Utopia. He was for sure but The Tardis always takes the Doctor to where the Doctor needs to go. So if she could see the master was going to do something terrible she would make the Doctor stop it even if by doing so it creates the problem to be stopped in the first place.
The worst villain maybe as despite their boastings they can never actually kill the Doctor. Delgado and Pertwee had such chemistry that seeking depth is hard to ignore.
In fairness, The Master was just kinda winging it from when he reawakened to himself at the end of the universe, to when he landed in London in 2006-7. Even then, The Heavenly Paradigm adds that he only fled to the end of the universe out of desperation and terror, because one of his other plans backfired so hard he thought the Time War would never end.
Ok but terror of the autons literally ends with the doctor being like “hey, you know your plan sucks because the autons will just kill you too when you’re done” and he’s like “oh shit you’re right” and helps reverse it and then runs away. His plans have literally never been good. It *always* feels like he’s making it up as he goes along and making them as convoluted and ridiculous as possible it’s part of the character.
The jokes about the Master just trying to get the doctor's attention right themselves Including the fact that he spent Is lifetime between delgardo and Mcqueen[ With the exception of ainley he seemed pretty stable in his body] Is trying to get inside the doctor
@@plantainsame2049 yeah, to the point where at one point in Dark Eyes, the Doctor directly says that the Master relies on him so that there's someone to give him attention.
Favourite Master stories: - Terror of the Autons- surprisingly fun interesting setup, great new companion, the Master gets some of his best lines, its a wonderful blend of cheesy and dark - Sea Devils, awesome way new take on a great monster, subtle way of handling the Doctor-Master relationship, the swordfight between the Doctor and the Master, the music, everything's great. -Frontier in Space, Delgado, Pertwee, and Manning. In their last story together these three make you realize why you're going to miss them - Survival, what Ainley's master should have been like for most of his tenure -Mastermind, always wanted to see the Master's hypnosis focused on more and taken to darker places. Thank you, Johnathon Morris! -Master, LISTEN TO THIS NOW! -Utopia/Sound of Drums/Last of the Timelords, My jaw dropped upon watching the first part. Two great masters, stakes as high as they'll ever be, a bit of a disappointing resolution, but the Master's death scene pulls it back for me. -World Enough and Time/ The Doctor Falls, Possibly my favorite story of all time. Gomez and Simm are at their best here, they are hilarious and their story fits really well into their story's themes. The scene where they kill each other is perfect.
That’s kinda what I like about the master. Usually the doctor out smarts his opponents but the master just dose some unpredictable stuff that it’s hard to tell what the hells going on
I'd argue other than the Daleks, the Master is the villain that hurts the Doctor the most- his childhood friend becoming a monster, everytime the Doctor can't ever look at their old friend without thinking of all the things he's done. Also, what are your favourite Master stories?
@@SamyulDavis Fair enough, Traken doesn't really hold my interest much barring Tremas and the twist at the end and I have issues with the End of Time but Simm is better here than in Part 1.
I agree. He's an awesome character who was badly utilized by writers, often unable to implement him seamlessly on their storyline. To make a great Master story, they must think like the Master. For instance, it doesn't make sense to pair him with the Daleks for a domination plot. Daleks are chaotic evil and don't take orders, they can only be used as diversion while he devises on a plan taking place at the other side of the universe. It is also a good idea to introduce a subversion as: the master decides to take on honorable way but he fucking sucks at it due to his patently self serving personality. But the character has to remain consistent, otherwise you betray his very essence and bury him.
Missy didn't just SUDDENLY turn good though. I thought the same thing when I first saw the show however rewatching all of Missy's appearances from Deep Breath till the Doctor Falls back to back of each other I realized... the idea of Missy turning good had been hinted at THE ENTIRE TIME! One of the first things she says to the Doctor is "I want my friend back" and at the time on first watch, I assumed this to be a lie, some sort of trick, I didn't think she actually meant what she said but rewatching that with the context that she would later turn good I realized she actually meant it, she wasn't quite on the path to turning good yet but she later went on to help Clara multiple times with seemingly no ulterior motive other than trying to earn the Doctor's trust back. We also found out that Missy was the one who gave Clara the number for the TARDIS phone in the first place, she's the reason the Doctor and Clara ended up together. So yeah... the hints are rather subtle on first viewing because you're expecting her to do something evil the entire time but on rewatch you realize she actually is trying to change, slowly, over the course of three seasons.
Mr. JustAGuyWithALightsaber Um... Something written by Steven Moffet that had the master with "dalek bumps", sewers, daleks, and hints at a future female doctor... Are you sure your not confusing this with The Magicians Apprentice/The Witches Familiar???
@@warfionproductions6580 To be honest. For me, The Master always seemed to be piggy-back riding on minions that could stand alone in their own episodes. For example The 1st Master had the Autons and The Mistress had the Cybermen. However,the plroblem with Missy is that she was doing it all for The Doctor who we know will never say ''yes'' to a scheme like that. Wouldn't it have been much cooled if Missy just handed control over to a previous incarnation of her's? Also if The Master had his/her own evil plan that DIDN'T involve another Doctor Who villainous race or some other grander thing that the master is involved in then WHY aren't people talking about it? Well I guess there's the Doctor Who movie where The Master hijacks the TARDIS's Eye of Harmony. Why can't The Master have more ''master plans'' like that??? Remember how The Doctor said that his/her name was a promise he/she made? Why can't The Master do something like THAT!?!? If not, then The Master's name should instead be changed to The Oppressor since that name fits him/her a lot better given what he/she does to people and The Doctor. My point is, what The Master SHOULD be doing is something that fulfills his promise name ''Master''. THE FRICKING DICTIONARY HAS BETTER CONCEPTS FOR WHAT ''THE MASTER'' SHOULD BE DOING. Don't give us a story about him/her trying to rule something make him/her already rule something. He/She should be owning a mansion/space station with dozens of servants under him/her, a school/education place where he/she is the authority, a religious/fanatical organization that he/she should be the leader of, and IF The Master did have ''companions'' make them servants/slaves who obey & follow him/her for a variety of personal reasons and the only reason why The Doctor(s) would be ''foiling his/her plan(s)'' is because they see it, or the way The Master does it, as wrong. This not only allows The Master to live up to the name but also does something completely new for this type of character. And if The Master would be revealed to be behind some great scheme that an entire series had been building up to like the ''Vote Saxon'', or the Pandorica it would be for revenge because The Doctor had been ruining his/her ''peaceful & kind'' rule. This intrigue plot not only makes sense but part of this plan would be to go back to ruling somewhere else but not before making sure that The Doctor knows what it's like to keep someone from fulfilling their promise. The Doctor stopped him/her so now he/she is going to stop The Doctor. And if the BBC is never going to do something like THAT then we might as well call The Doctor's ''nemesis'' The Oppressor.
I love the Valleyvard's description of the Master after a failed trap; "You really are a second-rate adversary...did you imagine I'd be lured by such a transparent ploy" #Throws exploding feather# #Evil laughter# - Trial of a timelord part 14 The Ultimate Foe
Some of these plans (such as the Cybermen plan) had good ideas but not implemented properly. 11:03 I'm surprised we haven’t seen a live action Master do something like that... it's really easy for any Time Lord to do as long as they know/learn enough about the Doctor's time at UNIT.
The Master can so easily get away with a lot more things than the Doctor (including weird powers like body snatching) because it is mentioned he/she was at school with the Doctor. I just believe that the Master payed more attention and is therefore able to choose his appearance on regenerating whereas it just happens at random with the Doctor. Also, I'm kind of an Eric Roberts Master fan as I am just delighted that such a big actor was willing to take on this iconic role. And he's actually the scariest version of the character in my opinion. Also, talking about Death In Heaven, I like the little moment where Missy mentions that the Cyberman army is her present for the Doctor's birthday and he turns to Clara with a look as if saying: "Well, you never gave me anything," while it is obviously not the moment to talk about that. I find that bit slightly amusing.
To be honest. For me, The Master always seemed to be piggy-back riding on minions that could stand alone in their own episodes. For example The 1st Master had the Autons and The Mistress had the Cybermen. However,the plroblem with Missy is that she was doing it all for The Doctor who we know will never say ''yes'' to a scheme like that. Wouldn't it have been much cooled if Missy just handed control over to a previous incarnation of her's? Also if The Master had his/her own evil plan that DIDN'T involve another Doctor Who villainous race or some other grander thing that the master is involved in then WHY aren't people talking about it? Well I guess there's the Doctor Who movie where The Master hijacks the TARDIS's Eye of Harmony. Why can't The Master have more ''master plans'' like that??? Remember how The Doctor said that his/her name was a promise he/she made? Why can't The Master do something like THAT!?!? If not, then The Master's name should instead be changed to The Oppressor since that name fits him/her a lot better given what he/she does to people and The Doctor. My point is, what The Master SHOULD be doing is something that fulfills his promise name ''Master''. THE FRICKING DICTIONARY HAS BETTER CONCEPTS FOR WHAT ''THE MASTER'' SHOULD BE DOING. Don't give us a story about him/her trying to rule something make him/her already rule something. He/She should be owning a mansion/space station with dozens of servants under him/her, a school/education place where he/she is the authority, a religious/fanatical organization that he/she should be the leader of, and IF The Master did have ''companions'' make them servants/slaves who obey & follow him/her for a variety of personal reasons and the only reason why The Doctor(s) would be ''foiling his/her plan(s)'' is because they see it, or the way The Master does it, as wrong. This not only allows The Master to live up to the name but also does something completely new for this type of character. And if The Master would be revealed to be behind some great scheme that an entire series had been building up to like the ''Vote Saxon'', or the Pandorica it would be for revenge because The Doctor had been ruining his/her ''peaceful & kind'' rule. This intrigue plot not only makes sense but part of this plan would be to go back to ruling somewhere else but not before making sure that The Doctor knows what it's like to keep someone from fulfilling their promise. The Doctor stopped him/her so now he/she is going to stop The Doctor. And if the BBC is never going to do something like THAT then we might as well call The Doctor's ''nemesis'' The Oppressor.
As much as Missy's first plan is super convoluted, I love the plot point that she picked out a cute control freak and stuck her in the Doctor's timeline when his morale was lowest cuz she knew that was a recipe for a toxic, co-dependent disaster of a friendship.
Missy's plan in death in heaven wasn't a prank but is to break the doctor by killing his friends, converting his dead friends and every human in history into cybermen and then giving him the army he needs to never let her or anyone else do such an action ever again. It's not that bad a plan really and whatever the doctor does he loses, he either kills missy (which he almost did if not for the brigader randomly shooting her), actually taken the army and used it (proving that he is no different from her), destroyed the army (committing genocide, not the first time though, especailly when it comes to the cybermen) or what actually happened (losing a companion and badly damaging a relationship with another one, which if moffet know when to leave companions behind would have been when she left the show, but like with amy and rory he didn't). So with that goal in mind it does make some sense and if not for cyber brig randomly having control over himself for no explained reason, it would have worked.
You know quite of few of these wouldn't have gone down so well if the Doctor had never shown up. If the Doctor never showed up in Survival, he'd just eventually turn into one of those cat things. In Utopia, he would eventually die at the end of the universe, in the Doctor Falls, he would have just have fallen into the Black Hole with his army of Cybermen.
Delgado was the best. Ainley was MY Master growing up, and I LOVED Missy. Though, the best Master story has to be The Deadly Assassin (Yes - Even with that attrocious mask)
To be honest. For me, The Master always seemed to be piggy-back riding on minions that could stand alone in their own episodes. For example The 1st Master had the Autons and The Mistress had the Cybermen. However,the plroblem with Missy is that she was doing it all for The Doctor who we know will never say ''yes'' to a scheme like that. Wouldn't it have been much cooled if Missy just handed control over to a previous incarnation of her's? Also if The Master had his/her own evil plan that DIDN'T involve another Doctor Who villainous race or some other grander thing that the master is involved in then WHY aren't people talking about it? Well I guess there's the Doctor Who movie where The Master hijacks the TARDIS's Eye of Harmony. Why can't The Master have more ''master plans'' like that??? Remember how The Doctor said that his/her name was a promise he/she made? Why can't The Master do something like THAT!?!? If not, then The Master's name should instead be changed to The Oppressor since that name fits him/her a lot better given what he/she does to people and The Doctor. My point is, what The Master SHOULD be doing is something that fulfills his promise name ''Master''. THE FRICKING DICTIONARY HAS BETTER CONCEPTS FOR WHAT ''THE MASTER'' SHOULD BE DOING. Don't give us a story about him/her trying to rule something make him/her already rule something. He/She should be owning a mansion/space station with dozens of servants under him/her, a school/education place where he/she is the authority, a religious/fanatical organization that he/she should be the leader of, and IF The Master did have ''companions'' make them servants/slaves who obey & follow him/her for a variety of personal reasons and the only reason why The Doctor(s) would be ''foiling his/her plan(s)'' is because they see it, or the way The Master does it, as wrong. This not only allows The Master to live up to the name but also does something completely new for this type of character. And if The Master would be revealed to be behind some great scheme that an entire series had been building up to like the ''Vote Saxon'', or the Pandorica it would be for revenge because The Doctor had been ruining his/her ''peaceful & kind'' rule. This intrigue plot not only makes sense but part of this plan would be to go back to ruling somewhere else but not before making sure that The Doctor knows what it's like to keep someone from fulfilling their promise. The Doctor stopped him/her so now he/she is going to stop The Doctor. And if the BBC is never going to do something like THAT then we might as well call The Doctor's ''nemesis'' The Oppressor.
Well, from what I got, he was so terrified if the Time War, that he ran away and wiped his brain at the End of the Universe, and then the Doctor showed up, he didn't plan it, just happened. I think most of these aren't actual plans just stuff he wanted to do. Anyway, even if he did plan to find the Doctor, I think the End of the Universe is somewhere the Doctor would eventually go.
I actually love survival. Yeah I get that it’s goofy and daft but that’s why I love it. Seven is one of my favorite doctors. (He’d probably be number one if it weren’t for Smith.) and his era is just great. And all of it is best shown in that serial. I love the character focus and the fact that most of the writing team were like fuck it we’re gonna be cancelled. Let’s make the most law based, goofy and insane story yet.
I personally love the Master as a villain despite their very clear and present flaws. Here's my ranking of the TV Masters (additionally, 9-7 are on one distinct level, 6-4 on a level above that, and 3-1 on the highest level): 9. Geoffrey Beevers 8. Peter Pratt 7. John Simm 6. Sacha Dhawan 5. Anthony Ainley 4. Derek Jacobi 3. Eric Roberts 2. Michelle Gomez 1. Roger Delgado And my favorite Master stories are The Mind of Evil, Frontier in Space, Planet of Fire, Survival, Utopia (though not the further two episodes of that three-parter), and Dark Water/Death in Heaven.
You're right The Master is not a good villain...because he's not a villain. Now what I mean by this is aside from the theatrics of the character they don't actually fit the vaudeville villain archetype at all. Even as early back as the Delgado era The Master always came off as more of a frenemy than an enemy. The Master in my eyes has always been a dark reflection/foil of what the Doctor could be, he/she is a character who clearly has the potential to do so much good but instead causes chaos and strife. So I disagree in this idea that the Master is some lame and obsolete pantomime villain but rather a friend of the Doctor's playing the part of the villain. The character has undergone several complex changes since their inception in the 70s and Missy's latest character arc in Season 10 is proof of that. If Missy does survive/regenerate I will agree with you that they can't go on like this and thus I think that the dynamic of the character needs to change. The Master is too dependant on the Doctor's existence and should develop into something more e.g. an Anti-Hero, Anti-Villain or just anything to change the dynamic of the character. Moffat laid the groundwork for this in Season 10 and it would be a bloody waste if Chibnall just ignored it, I'd rather the character stay dead than that happening.
The War Master series does great things for the Master, with The Sky Man and pretty much all of Master of Callous being top notch stories in my opinion, but I feel like one of the Masters best stories ALONGSIDE the Doctor might be The Destination Wars, we get the First Doctor vs the First Master (Played by James Dreyfus) and the Masters plan nearly works, he only fails because he couldn't have predicted that the Doctor would have had such an unreliable TARDIS, and that Barbara could help Ian break through the Masters control.
I've always liked the idea of the Master. Great classic iconic look with the goat-tee and high collar black costumes with gold trim. Great actors. But yeah, I'm inclined to agree with you. The Master often suffers from bad writing and nonsensical plots that made him look "nuttier than squirrel shit" (to quote someone who's name I don't know.) 🧔 And now, Doctor, you will witness my greatest victory as I kill every rabbit in England! 🧐 Kill every rabbit in England? What ever for? 🧔 Because I'm evil! HAHAHA! 🧐 O...K...
Hey, you're right, the Master doesn't die, the Master never dies, even when discorporated and seemingly utterly destroyed, they always come back... One might say they're... Impossible... an Impossible Liar....
Been watching so many clips of Doctor who as well as tributes makes me want to go watch it gaining a new respect for your Doctor who videos. Now I have to find some time to watch it all and favorite plan was Missy's she's also my favorite iteration right next to the Prime minster or before.
I feel like they often do really samey stories for the Master, without exploring what the character could be. Honestly, if they ever made the Master as smart as their supposed to be, the show would be over. For all the governments and institutions the Master infiltrates, why does the Doctor always seem to encounter the Master towards the beginning of their plans? Why not after the Master has set themself up as the leader of a galactic supercluster? Two faves: Delgado: original, calm, and polite. I see him as one of the most pragmatic, although they sometimes portrayed him in ways that seem a bit contradictory. Missy: most mature, and therefore most deadly. Seemingly unconcerned with conquest, and, therefore, extremely unpredictable. Also, magnetic as hell. 😎
I find that if you watch 'The Doctor Falls' then 'Death in heaven' (following the masters chronology) the story seems to be that the Doctors Speech about being Kind did in fact effect the Master, and when he Regenerated into Missy, the mission/plan from then was to be the Doctors friend. 1) Find the perfect Companion to fix what happened to Bill. 2) Create an Army for the Doctor... thats what he needed... 3) Defeat/Control the Cyber-men. The Problem with this plan is that she is also Mad. This was probably not planned by the writers but from that perspective i really enjoy the Arc.
Really it's been building since Tennant and Simm's last exchange. But, the episode is so ham-fisted with her turn to 'ghood' that it doesn't really focus or explore how or why. You're right, with the previous couple of appearances from her across series 8-9, the groundwork is there to do a redemption, but it never really acts on the potential imo.
most of the masters plan is created out of desperation or difficult situations and thrives in them. the only one is the keeper of traken. he is dyeing and and decides to wait decades in the tardis, as a statue just siting there, hypnotises a child, hopes she becomes a Politian and the near immortal super emperor dies during that politician's lifespan, and hope he, with his great powers, does not call anyone to stop him.
To be fair to Survival, comparing the Master's plan in Terror of the Autons to it isn't exactly fair because in Survival, he's not really trying to come up with the best way to defeat the Doctor. He's on his back leg, plotting desperately to try to get back to our world by any means necessary, having to do with the impediment of the bloodlust that being on this world gave him- a bloodlust that feeds into his need for revenge on the Doctor. He's not plotting power, he's plotting escape, and his best interests are clouded in his mind. I'm not sure if I explained that coherently, but that's always been my take.
Nah I love the master, John simm and missy r my favourites cuz there the only ones I’ve rlly seen but I do rlly love them both even if there plans r nuts.
The Master is fine. He was way too overused for his own sake as a villain though, much like Davros and the Daleks. It's too bad, because there are a truckload of renegade timelords to write as cool antagonists: The Rani, The Monk, Omega, Morbius or hell let's be crazy, even Romana. Imagine she got into trouble as she completed a mission for the CIA and while doing so a nasty parasite took control of her mind, for instance. It'd be interesting to see how she uses her talents for nefarious purpose and the moral dilemma the Doctor faces as he combats her.
Yeah, they need to use more renegades besides just the Master. I want the Rani and Omega back, but ESPECIALLY the Monk. He’s the best and I love how Big Finish handled him.
@@soarel325 And also, have them suffer regeneration accidents, such as the ones which affected the Crispy Master or the 6th Doctor. I feel like it's an excellent plot device, so rarely exploited correctly alas. Talking about Big Finish stories, a part of me really wanna see the most significant of them getting animated, too xD My mastery of English language isn't good enough for me to follow fluently an audio story.
@Kaagh178 Whereas I agree that there aren't enough lawful Gallifreyans helping the doctor (it's unfortunate that every Castellan is a villain except Spandrell; and that the betrayal of Hedin in Arc of Infinity was a bullshit twist plotted for shock factor), I also think that there aren't enough major villains of the same race, besides Rassilon (unfortunately buried in Hell Bent through bullshit writing) and the Master (presumably dead). The Rani is interesting in the way she's a neutral evil scientist (then a welcome diversion from domination seeking chars), the Monk isn't inherently evil just irresponsible and hedonistic, as for Morbius he's a high-stake villain who spits on the time lord non-interference policy (and he's pretty fearsome at that, as his malevolent charisma allows him to raise armies of billions of soldiers).
Yes, the Master does not work without the Doctor, but that's the point. He/she is the opposite of the doctor, an answer to the question "What if the doctor went bad." The Master was made to be the Doctor's nemesis, the only reason that he exist is to be a pain in the Doctor's back-side. So it's not fair saying the without the Doctor, the Master is pretty pathetic, because of course he is. It's like removing Batman away from the Joker, it just ( normally) wouldn't work. Still love the video man!
Sound of the Drums Master has a well thought out plan & has the time to execute it. that's the best thing about the episode. He is in a position of power & the Tardis team are in hiding having to improvise
6:15 About this bit, if you listen to the Big Finish boxset War Master 1, it's shown that the Master runs away from the war and hides. It wasn't a plan to wait for the Doctor, it was so he could escape the Time War. After he escapes with the Doctor's TARDIS, it's then he plans to take over the Earth in this way.
Not really! They're all excellent performances. I think Delgado has the best presence, Simm has the best moments and Gomez is the best usage of the character, taking her onto uncertain archetype territory.
The War Master box set is very good. Jacobi Master has a pretty good plan that shows how different the Master is to the Doctor in the way he uses people.
But "Master" is hands down the best master story, showing how even if the master could be good he will always fail, because of what the Doctor did when he was young, something so evil that the master could never top it.
Old vid i know but river says In everyone's favourite ep let's kill Hitler. Melody pond not yet river flies to tardis to save amy and Rory. She says "she showed me how." In reference to the tardis
You sure do love renaming things, I've seen this in my suggested with 3 different titles ,the one that finally got me to click on it was 'The Many Dubious Plans of The Master'.
The Professor Yana thing wasn't even the plan. The Time War was just so horrifying he turned himself into a human at the end of time out of pure desperation
The Master is definitely the weakest recurring villain the show has when it comes to motivation and story, but I don't think that means he's a bad villain or by any means the worst. I think his/her performances and the chemistry the actors who play him/her have with the Doctor make up for the writer's shortcomings when it comes to The Master. To me the order of the recurring Doctor Who villains go, from best to worst: the Daleks, the Cybermen, the Weeping Angels, The Master, the Silence, and finally, the dumbest villains in Doctor Who history, the Zygons. I hated everything about the Zygons, from their character design to their motivations. Seriously, aside from some outstanding performances from by Jenna Coleman and Ingrid Oliver the Zygons were terrible villains. Edit: If I had to pick a favorite Master story, it would have to be either John Simm's appearance in the two part Christmas Special, The Sound of Drums and The Last of the Time Lords, or Roger Delgado's first appearance in Terror of the Autons. Though his death would later be undone by the series through Missy, at the time I felt no matter how rocky his character's story in between, he had entered and exited the show on a high note. And then they went and took a big dump on it in the Series 10 two part finale, World Enough and Time and The Doctor Falls. I was fine with the Missy character and was even starting to like her, but the fact that the show made both incarnations go out like a little bitch makes my blood boil. After decades of finding ways to cheat death on and off screen, they give us what feels like a permanent end to the character (and not a good one) and we know it's not gonna fucking stick cause it didn't the countless other times they faked us out.
Caleb Richardson he’s a great character, but just such an inconsistent and silly presence I didn’t like the original concept of the character and I don’t love the way her arc was dumped. It’s the performances that have propped him up into iconic status.
@@SamyulDavis I'm agreeing with you on how the actor's performances have propped up the character, I just don't necessarily think he's the worst recurring villain we've had.
Uhmmm excuse me, clearly the high sparrow red nose special master isn't good enough. He crawled for years through the most vile sewer in the universe and you don't even give him a mention?! How dare you!!!
Disagree but I do see your point I guess. The only thing I can't agree with really is the concept of him not making sense without the doctor. I imagine there's lots of elements that don't make sense without him he's the main character you kind of have to take him as part of it. But for me I just love the crazy, especially John Simm Lay off End Of Time it's cool lol
To be honest. For me, The Master always seemed to be piggy-back riding on minions that could stand alone in their own episodes. For example The 1st Master had the Autons and The Mistress had the Cybermen. However,the plroblem with Missy is that she was doing it all for The Doctor who we know will never say ''yes'' to a scheme like that. Wouldn't it have been much cooled if Missy just handed control over to a previous incarnation of her's? Also if The Master had his/her own evil plan that DIDN'T involve another Doctor Who villainous race or some other grander thing that the master is involved in then WHY aren't people talking about it? Well I guess there's the Doctor Who movie where The Master hijacks the TARDIS's Eye of Harmony. Why can't The Master have more ''master plans'' like that??? Remember how The Doctor said that his/her name was a promise he/she made? Why can't The Master do something like THAT!?!? If not, then The Master's name should instead be changed to The Oppressor since that name fits him/her a lot better given what he/she does to people and The Doctor. My point is, what The Master SHOULD be doing is something that fulfills his promise name ''Master''. THE FRICKING DICTIONARY HAS BETTER CONCEPTS FOR WHAT ''THE MASTER'' SHOULD BE DOING. Don't give us a story about him/her trying to rule something make him/her already rule something. He/She should be owning a mansion/space station with dozens of servants under him/her, a school/education place where he/she is the authority, a religious/fanatical organization that he/she should be the leader of, and IF The Master did have ''companions'' make them servants/slaves who obey & follow him/her for a variety of personal reasons and the only reason why The Doctor(s) would be ''foiling his/her plan(s)'' is because they see it, or the way The Master does it, as wrong. This not only allows The Master to live up to the name but also does something completely new for this type of character. And if The Master would be revealed to be behind some great scheme that an entire series had been building up to like the ''Vote Saxon'', or the Pandorica it would be for revenge because The Doctor had been ruining his/her ''peaceful & kind'' rule. This intrigue plot not only makes sense but part of this plan would be to go back to ruling somewhere else but not before making sure that The Doctor knows what it's like to keep someone from fulfilling their promise. The Doctor stopped him/her so now he/she is going to stop The Doctor. And if the BBC is never going to do something like THAT then we might as well call The Doctor's ''nemesis'' The Oppressor.
If you get the book the woman who lived it says on the bit about missy that the master shot her with a full blast from his laser screwdriver that would, HE THOUGHT, prevent her regenerating again
I actually really like Eric’s portrayal of the master, he’s got a really sinister look about him and plus it was the 90s after all. And about the American accent, I’ve always just thought well it is a body snatch so he will likely speak in the hosts voice and accent.
Great video. I actually agree with everything you said about the John Simm Master, but I still love him! He’s kinda my big childhood villain. And since I didn’t watch the trailers and avoided news for series ten, I actually didn’t get the reveal spoiled which made me like The Doctor Falls arc more. I do think it was a mistake to just kill Missy off without letting her do her own thing. Also I forgot about that story when he hid in the statue. Hilarious!
He didn't just hide in the statue, it was his bloody TARDIS and the long term plan was to gain access to the Source on Traken which would have given him loads of power! It certainly gave him enough to steal Tremas body and that was only residual energy!
Your thumbnails are fantastic!
Cheers guys, love your content. The Inbetweeners vid essay? You're one of the good ones.
@@SamyulDavis Thats us! Thanks man
You two together. Am I dreaming
@Full Fat Videos Next time someone asks me how I feel about series 11 I'm just going to ask them to watch your video.
@@Ben-vf5gk Ya!
Missy: “Doctor...”
Doctor: “Doctor who?”
Missy: “DOCTOR CHENG!”
This is Wong in so many levels.
@@nozoto how when it's a quote?
FireWarrior2013 death in heaven
That's a bit harsh on The Master's plan from Utopia. Initially he was hiding out in human form at the end of the universe to escape the Time War. Which, y'know, worked. When he was unexpectedly rescued and only able to travel between two specific times, he made excellent use of that opportunity.
You're talking like this was his supervillain plan from the beginning, when actually it was him rolling with the punches and doing a damn fine job of it.
And let's not forget that the Doctor was totally and utterly defeated. In the end, the Doctor only won via what was possibly the single biggest ass-pull in the history of the show - and that's saying a lot.
along with survival. that was more of a house that is on fire that is being currently built. the focus of Perivale is a bit strange thought
Definitely a perfect assessment
Im in present day and connected to the end of the universe
How can I use this
I mean he set up a global mind control network overnight, became prime minister and yeah, basically won
Pretty damn successful for an off the cuff plan
Missy is still way more competent though haha, I mean, she succeeded, the doctor just refused his part in it
Yeah, the events of Utopia is the Master, quite literally, flying by the seat of his pants to make his plan work… and he does it *gloriously.*
Second big yes, at the most because the biggest will always be regeneration as a concept
I would say that Master is supposed to be like Doctor if Doctor lost his way. This is especially focused on in the new era of Doctor Who. Which is why it is actually important that Master does not plan ahead. Because, neither does the Doctor. It just always turns out well for Doctor, partly because Doctor is not alone. Let's remember "Turn Left", Doctor was alone and it resulted in his death.
There is this contrast of two brilliant time lords, two of the smartest, most exceptional beings in the universe. Two beings so same yet so different. Like one person splitting into two bodies that both went their own separate way which results in them having different values in the end.
Once they meet and spent some time together the Doctor manages to make Missy see errors of her/his ways - once again pointing out that they are basically the same.
Not anymore because fucking chibnall
I think we can all agree John simm is a beautiful man who is clearly having so much fun being a villain
Haha this is true, but he's also sooooo hammy.
I still like his era, i still was so excited with his reveal back in the day, even if his finale is meh
He's great alongside missy, but she's just SO much better hahah
Although I still like him better than the current hammy bastard
Offscreen nukes gallifrey, rants exposition for hours and cancelled out all of Missy's development..
And was party to character assassinating the doctor by having her sic Nazis on him hahaha, "see who you really are" yikes
As a villain, the master is always weak yet I like the way the doctor has an equal and/or child hood friend. Both Delgado and Michelle Gomez nail the whole forbidden friends aspect. Which, personally is why I love the master/Missy (specifically Gomez and Delgado) as a flip side/child hood friend to the doctor, much more than an actual villain.
Perfectly said, without the demented friendship aspect...there's not a lot of character left. That's how you get pantomime villain.
Eh... The friendship is important, but it shouldn't go to the point were it feels like the Master isn't the Doctor's enemy. What makes the Master seem dangerous to me is that they're essentially a control freak with a god complex that stems largely from their Time Lord rank. It's what makes them a good contrast to the Doctor and is why Missy didn't feel like the Master as much, she didn't want power, she wanted to be the Doctor's friend. It kind of de-fangs the Master to me.
Ben Warburton hence why I said I don’t view the master as one of the best Villians. Simms was just absurd, despite the fact they got a very talented actor in they just practically had a pantomime bad guy in doctor who - as said in the video, Missy brought some class and credibility back to the character but the whole point of the master is the history. Hence why I enjoy Delgado and Gomez because both of which understand the importance of this, the scariest part of the master (for me) is the fact that he and the doctor were once a very similar person.
@@Ben-vf5gk You make a good point. The doctor always lives up to his name. Even when he forsook his name (war doctor) he still lived up to it. But the master cannot turn good without forsaking his name. That's exactly what missy did. She betrayed her own name. Don't get me wrong, I loved her as a character more than I do the master. But she wasn't the master.
@@Elnont Sorry, this is all opinion and I don't mean offense but class and credibility?" In Series 10 sure, but I wasn't thinking that when Missy was shoving her tongue into the Doctor's mouth. Simm worked because he oozed arrogance- "I'm a timelord I have that right"- and he still had quieter moments with the Doctor (like the phone call in Sound of Drums) that reminded us of the friendship but didn't sacrifice his place as an antagonist for that. Simm also puts the Doctor through hell and hurt him in ways no other villain could; he took over the world, tortured and humiliated him for a year and made him the last of his kind once again.
Tbf, the Master is a ridiculous villain, but doctor who is a ridiculous show. I think the reason people (or me) like the master showing up is that whoever is playing him or her is so good, you buy into whatever nonsense they are selling. The actors take the ridiculousness of the concept and run with it.
The master is the joker to the doctor’s batman. Two sad, mysterious figures, destined to do battle forever. Also, his plans always seem more focused on getting one over the doctor than anything else. So I can’t really hate this villain
Same could be said for the Doctor, the only reason why the 10th Doctor's run was so good was because of David Tennant, same goes for Peter Eccelston, Matt Smith, and Peter Capaldi. No matter how ridiculous the script got the actor who plays the Doctor saves it, whats that? 2 farting alien politicians are planning to use nuclear power plants to power a space ship (I think), a library that a little girl in the matrix dreams of is real and is being attacked by shadows while the Doctor and his soon-to-be-dead wife are meeting for the first time, the Doctor invites his friends to watch him die by the hands of his wife, from the past, while his wife, current, is watching and when all is said and done the Doctor shows up in the diner with one of the invitations to watch himself die, whats next the Doctor spends 4.5 billion years basically Dark Soul-ing himself over and over until he punches his way through a wall of diamond and gets out and then proceeds to claim that a Hybrid is not one person that is two things but rather two people that are one thing, and then conquers Gallifrey to save Clara and then at the end he erases Clara from his own memories. Its all ridiculous, but the actors save it.
The Master is just "notice me senpai"-ing the Doctor constantly.
Me before this video: You know I disagree with Sam a lot, but that's kinda why he's entertaining, he makes good points, argues them well and everyone's entitled to their opinion...
Me after seeing the Video in my recommended: Wait what?! BLASPHEMY!!!! HERETIC!!!
Ben Warburton SACRILEGE!!!
@@jabberjaw7163 NONE-BELIEVER! HE/SHE IS THE MASTER AND WELL OBEY HIM/HER OR TELL SAY SOMETHING NICE!!
@@Ben-vf5gk
Burn the non believer, BURN!
I liked the Master when he became a cop and ran around with Gene Hunt for 2 seasons. 😁
Yeah that was great.
The Brigadier made into a Cyberman burned me really badly, burnt almost as bad as crispy Master.
Master's always been my fav, fam 😊
My is Missy, butt i think it's no diffrence XD
He may be dumb, but that don't stop me from lovin' him.
Master is always the best
He is the, master, after all.
"it's impossible to pick a favourite"
Delgado. Just Delgado
Derek Jacobi.
Gomez or MacQueen
Gomez is the best
I really do love the Master especially John Simm's. On the point of him being lucky in Utopia. He was for sure but The Tardis always takes the Doctor to where the Doctor needs to go. So if she could see the master was going to do something terrible she would make the Doctor stop it even if by doing so it creates the problem to be stopped in the first place.
The worst villain maybe as despite their boastings they can never actually kill the Doctor. Delgado and Pertwee had such chemistry that seeking depth is hard to ignore.
It's like Batman and The Joker. The Joker has never killed Batman, because he has just way too much fun messing with him.
In fairness, The Master was just kinda winging it from when he reawakened to himself at the end of the universe, to when he landed in London in 2006-7. Even then, The Heavenly Paradigm adds that he only fled to the end of the universe out of desperation and terror, because one of his other plans backfired so hard he thought the Time War would never end.
the master putting WAYYY too much effort into a practical joke is secretly what i think their whole character is.
K but Missy was pretty good when she stuffed Clara into the Dalek casing and almost convinced the Doctor to kill her
Ok but terror of the autons literally ends with the doctor being like “hey, you know your plan sucks because the autons will just kill you too when you’re done” and he’s like “oh shit you’re right” and helps reverse it and then runs away. His plans have literally never been good. It *always* feels like he’s making it up as he goes along and making them as convoluted and ridiculous as possible it’s part of the character.
The jokes about the Master just trying to get the doctor's attention right themselves
Including the fact that he spent Is lifetime between delgardo and Mcqueen[ With the exception of ainley he seemed pretty stable in his body] Is trying to get inside the doctor
@@plantainsame2049 yeah, to the point where at one point in Dark Eyes, the Doctor directly says that the Master relies on him so that there's someone to give him attention.
Favourite Master stories:
- Terror of the Autons- surprisingly fun interesting setup, great new companion, the Master gets some of his best lines, its a wonderful blend of cheesy and dark
- Sea Devils, awesome way new take on a great monster, subtle way of handling the Doctor-Master relationship, the swordfight between the Doctor and the Master, the music, everything's great.
-Frontier in Space, Delgado, Pertwee, and Manning. In their last story together these three make you realize why you're going to miss them
- Survival, what Ainley's master should have been like for most of his tenure
-Mastermind, always wanted to see the Master's hypnosis focused on more and taken to darker places. Thank you, Johnathon Morris!
-Master, LISTEN TO THIS NOW!
-Utopia/Sound of Drums/Last of the Timelords, My jaw dropped upon watching the first part. Two great masters, stakes as high as they'll ever be, a bit of a disappointing resolution, but the Master's death scene pulls it back for me.
-World Enough and Time/ The Doctor Falls, Possibly my favorite story of all time. Gomez and Simm are at their best here, they are hilarious and their story fits really well into their story's themes. The scene where they kill each other is perfect.
Basically any episode with the Master from 1971-1980 is his best appearance
That’s kinda what I like about the master. Usually the doctor out smarts his opponents but the master just dose some unpredictable stuff that it’s hard to tell what the hells going on
I'd argue other than the Daleks, the Master is the villain that hurts the Doctor the most- his childhood friend becoming a monster, everytime the Doctor can't ever look at their old friend without thinking of all the things he's done.
Also, what are your favourite Master stories?
Ben Warburton he’s in a bunch of the best stories ever but as actual ‘Master stories’?
Traken, Terror of the Autons, End of Time prt 2 & Sea Devils.
@@SamyulDavis Fair enough, Traken doesn't really hold my interest much barring Tremas and the twist at the end and I have issues with the End of Time but Simm is better here than in Part 1.
The doctor?
The master?
I expect to meet the bachelor next season.
The master is the best, clase closed!
I agree. He's an awesome character who was badly utilized by writers, often unable to implement him seamlessly on their storyline. To make a great Master story, they must think like the Master. For instance, it doesn't make sense to pair him with the Daleks for a domination plot. Daleks are chaotic evil and don't take orders, they can only be used as diversion while he devises on a plan taking place at the other side of the universe. It is also a good idea to introduce a subversion as: the master decides to take on honorable way but he fucking sucks at it due to his patently self serving personality. But the character has to remain consistent, otherwise you betray his very essence and bury him.
He’s one of my favourite villains
Other than Cybermen trickster dark horde and Daleks
Missy didn't just SUDDENLY turn good though. I thought the same thing when I first saw the show however rewatching all of Missy's appearances from Deep Breath till the Doctor Falls back to back of each other I realized... the idea of Missy turning good had been hinted at THE ENTIRE TIME! One of the first things she says to the Doctor is "I want my friend back" and at the time on first watch, I assumed this to be a lie, some sort of trick, I didn't think she actually meant what she said but rewatching that with the context that she would later turn good I realized she actually meant it, she wasn't quite on the path to turning good yet but she later went on to help Clara multiple times with seemingly no ulterior motive other than trying to earn the Doctor's trust back. We also found out that Missy was the one who gave Clara the number for the TARDIS phone in the first place, she's the reason the Doctor and Clara ended up together. So yeah... the hints are rather subtle on first viewing because you're expecting her to do something evil the entire time but on rewatch you realize she actually is trying to change, slowly, over the course of three seasons.
The master was great in the fatal death though....
Warfion Productions That was retarded.
Mr. JustAGuyWithALightsaber Um... Something written by Steven Moffet that had the master with "dalek bumps", sewers, daleks, and hints at a future female doctor... Are you sure your not confusing this with The Magicians Apprentice/The Witches Familiar???
@@warfionproductions6580 To be honest. For me, The Master always seemed to be piggy-back riding on minions that could stand alone in their own episodes. For example The 1st Master had the Autons and The Mistress had the Cybermen. However,the plroblem with Missy is that she was doing it all for The Doctor who we know will never say ''yes'' to a scheme like that. Wouldn't it have been much cooled if Missy just handed control over to a previous incarnation of her's? Also if The Master had his/her own evil plan that DIDN'T involve another Doctor Who villainous race or some other grander thing that the master is involved in then WHY aren't people talking about it? Well I guess there's the Doctor Who movie where The Master hijacks the TARDIS's Eye of Harmony. Why can't The Master have more ''master plans'' like that??? Remember how The Doctor said that his/her name was a promise he/she made? Why can't The Master do something like THAT!?!? If not, then The Master's name should instead be changed to The Oppressor since that name fits him/her a lot better given what he/she does to people and The Doctor. My point is, what The Master SHOULD be doing is something that fulfills his promise name ''Master''. THE FRICKING DICTIONARY HAS BETTER CONCEPTS FOR WHAT ''THE MASTER'' SHOULD BE DOING. Don't give us a story about him/her trying to rule something make him/her already rule something. He/She should be owning a mansion/space station with dozens of servants under him/her, a school/education place where he/she is the authority, a religious/fanatical organization that he/she should be the leader of, and IF The Master did have ''companions'' make them servants/slaves who obey & follow him/her for a variety of personal reasons and the only reason why The Doctor(s) would be ''foiling his/her plan(s)'' is because they see it, or the way The Master does it, as wrong. This not only allows The Master to live up to the name but also does something completely new for this type of character. And if The Master would be revealed to be behind some great scheme that an entire series had been building up to like the ''Vote Saxon'', or the Pandorica it would be for revenge because The Doctor had been ruining his/her ''peaceful & kind'' rule. This intrigue plot not only makes sense but part of this plan would be to go back to ruling somewhere else but not before making sure that The Doctor knows what it's like to keep someone from fulfilling their promise. The Doctor stopped him/her so now he/she is going to stop The Doctor. And if the BBC is never going to do something like THAT then we might as well call The Doctor's ''nemesis'' The Oppressor.
I love the Valleyvard's description of the Master after a failed trap; "You really are a second-rate adversary...did you imagine I'd be lured by such a transparent ploy" #Throws exploding feather# #Evil laughter# - Trial of a timelord part 14 The Ultimate Foe
Some of these plans (such as the Cybermen plan) had good ideas but not implemented properly.
11:03 I'm surprised we haven’t seen a live action Master do something like that... it's really easy for any Time Lord to do as long as they know/learn enough about the Doctor's time at UNIT.
Also what happened to Missy's tardis
Rrwatvh death in heaven idk but it proberly burnt out when she gathered all the people souls into the galafreyin orb
The Master can so easily get away with a lot more things than the Doctor (including weird powers like body snatching) because it is mentioned he/she was at school with the Doctor. I just believe that the Master payed more attention and is therefore able to choose his appearance on regenerating whereas it just happens at random with the Doctor. Also, I'm kind of an Eric Roberts Master fan as I am just delighted that such a big actor was willing to take on this iconic role. And he's actually the scariest version of the character in my opinion.
Also, talking about Death In Heaven, I like the little moment where Missy mentions that the Cyberman army is her present for the Doctor's birthday and he turns to Clara with a look as if saying: "Well, you never gave me anything," while it is obviously not the moment to talk about that. I find that bit slightly amusing.
I would love to see a spin-off show of all the things the Master was up to while the Doctor was Doctoring around
I don't need likes, I want comments you cowards
There's the Missy and War Master big finish spinoffs which I recommend
I'm a fan so I want to argue with you.... but I can't. The Master tends to go from cartoonishly silly to genius and then back to cartoon.
Mine's probably either Logopolis, Castrovalva or the Deadly Assassin
The master is GHOOD
To be honest. For me, The Master always seemed to be piggy-back riding on minions that could stand alone in their own episodes. For example The 1st Master had the Autons and The Mistress had the Cybermen. However,the plroblem with Missy is that she was doing it all for The Doctor who we know will never say ''yes'' to a scheme like that. Wouldn't it have been much cooled if Missy just handed control over to a previous incarnation of her's? Also if The Master had his/her own evil plan that DIDN'T involve another Doctor Who villainous race or some other grander thing that the master is involved in then WHY aren't people talking about it? Well I guess there's the Doctor Who movie where The Master hijacks the TARDIS's Eye of Harmony. Why can't The Master have more ''master plans'' like that??? Remember how The Doctor said that his/her name was a promise he/she made? Why can't The Master do something like THAT!?!? If not, then The Master's name should instead be changed to The Oppressor since that name fits him/her a lot better given what he/she does to people and The Doctor. My point is, what The Master SHOULD be doing is something that fulfills his promise name ''Master''. THE FRICKING DICTIONARY HAS BETTER CONCEPTS FOR WHAT ''THE MASTER'' SHOULD BE DOING. Don't give us a story about him/her trying to rule something make him/her already rule something. He/She should be owning a mansion/space station with dozens of servants under him/her, a school/education place where he/she is the authority, a religious/fanatical organization that he/she should be the leader of, and IF The Master did have ''companions'' make them servants/slaves who obey & follow him/her for a variety of personal reasons and the only reason why The Doctor(s) would be ''foiling his/her plan(s)'' is because they see it, or the way The Master does it, as wrong. This not only allows The Master to live up to the name but also does something completely new for this type of character. And if The Master would be revealed to be behind some great scheme that an entire series had been building up to like the ''Vote Saxon'', or the Pandorica it would be for revenge because The Doctor had been ruining his/her ''peaceful & kind'' rule. This intrigue plot not only makes sense but part of this plan would be to go back to ruling somewhere else but not before making sure that The Doctor knows what it's like to keep someone from fulfilling their promise. The Doctor stopped him/her so now he/she is going to stop The Doctor. And if the BBC is never going to do something like THAT then we might as well call The Doctor's ''nemesis'' The Oppressor.
As much as Missy's first plan is super convoluted, I love the plot point that she picked out a cute control freak and stuck her in the Doctor's timeline when his morale was lowest cuz she knew that was a recipe for a toxic, co-dependent disaster of a friendship.
Missy's plan in death in heaven wasn't a prank but is to break the doctor by killing his friends, converting his dead friends and every human in history into cybermen and then giving him the army he needs to never let her or anyone else do such an action ever again. It's not that bad a plan really and whatever the doctor does he loses, he either kills missy (which he almost did if not for the brigader randomly shooting her), actually taken the army and used it (proving that he is no different from her), destroyed the army (committing genocide, not the first time though, especailly when it comes to the cybermen) or what actually happened (losing a companion and badly damaging a relationship with another one, which if moffet know when to leave companions behind would have been when she left the show, but like with amy and rory he didn't). So with that goal in mind it does make some sense and if not for cyber brig randomly having control over himself for no explained reason, it would have worked.
This was a great video essay.
You know quite of few of these wouldn't have gone down so well if the Doctor had never shown up.
If the Doctor never showed up in Survival, he'd just eventually turn into one of those cat things. In Utopia, he would eventually die at the end of the universe, in the Doctor Falls, he would have just have fallen into the Black Hole with his army of Cybermen.
Delgado was the best. Ainley was MY Master growing up, and I LOVED Missy. Though, the best Master story has to be The Deadly Assassin (Yes - Even with that attrocious mask)
To be honest. For me, The Master always seemed to be piggy-back riding on minions that could stand alone in their own episodes. For example The 1st Master had the Autons and The Mistress had the Cybermen. However,the plroblem with Missy is that she was doing it all for The Doctor who we know will never say ''yes'' to a scheme like that. Wouldn't it have been much cooled if Missy just handed control over to a previous incarnation of her's? Also if The Master had his/her own evil plan that DIDN'T involve another Doctor Who villainous race or some other grander thing that the master is involved in then WHY aren't people talking about it? Well I guess there's the Doctor Who movie where The Master hijacks the TARDIS's Eye of Harmony. Why can't The Master have more ''master plans'' like that??? Remember how The Doctor said that his/her name was a promise he/she made? Why can't The Master do something like THAT!?!? If not, then The Master's name should instead be changed to The Oppressor since that name fits him/her a lot better given what he/she does to people and The Doctor. My point is, what The Master SHOULD be doing is something that fulfills his promise name ''Master''. THE FRICKING DICTIONARY HAS BETTER CONCEPTS FOR WHAT ''THE MASTER'' SHOULD BE DOING. Don't give us a story about him/her trying to rule something make him/her already rule something. He/She should be owning a mansion/space station with dozens of servants under him/her, a school/education place where he/she is the authority, a religious/fanatical organization that he/she should be the leader of, and IF The Master did have ''companions'' make them servants/slaves who obey & follow him/her for a variety of personal reasons and the only reason why The Doctor(s) would be ''foiling his/her plan(s)'' is because they see it, or the way The Master does it, as wrong. This not only allows The Master to live up to the name but also does something completely new for this type of character. And if The Master would be revealed to be behind some great scheme that an entire series had been building up to like the ''Vote Saxon'', or the Pandorica it would be for revenge because The Doctor had been ruining his/her ''peaceful & kind'' rule. This intrigue plot not only makes sense but part of this plan would be to go back to ruling somewhere else but not before making sure that The Doctor knows what it's like to keep someone from fulfilling their promise. The Doctor stopped him/her so now he/she is going to stop The Doctor. And if the BBC is never going to do something like THAT then we might as well call The Doctor's ''nemesis'' The Oppressor.
So in summary the master is a mess of a person who was no idea what they’re doing at any point in their life.i can relate
The War Master is a fantastic story showing just what the Master is like without the Doctor. Probably Big Finish's finest
Well, from what I got, he was so terrified if the Time War, that he ran away and wiped his brain at the End of the Universe, and then the Doctor showed up, he didn't plan it, just happened. I think most of these aren't actual plans just stuff he wanted to do. Anyway, even if he did plan to find the Doctor, I think the End of the Universe is somewhere the Doctor would eventually go.
I Enjoyed the Master episode "And You Will Obey Me" also "The Death of Hope" Might be my favorite
I actually love survival. Yeah I get that it’s goofy and daft but that’s why I love it.
Seven is one of my favorite doctors. (He’d probably be number one if it weren’t for Smith.) and his era is just great. And all of it is best shown in that serial. I love the character focus and the fact that most of the writing team were like fuck it we’re gonna be cancelled. Let’s make the most law based, goofy and insane story yet.
I personally love the Master as a villain despite their very clear and present flaws. Here's my ranking of the TV Masters (additionally, 9-7 are on one distinct level, 6-4 on a level above that, and 3-1 on the highest level):
9. Geoffrey Beevers
8. Peter Pratt
7. John Simm
6. Sacha Dhawan
5. Anthony Ainley
4. Derek Jacobi
3. Eric Roberts
2. Michelle Gomez
1. Roger Delgado
And my favorite Master stories are The Mind of Evil, Frontier in Space, Planet of Fire, Survival, Utopia (though not the further two episodes of that three-parter), and Dark Water/Death in Heaven.
You're right The Master is not a good villain...because he's not a villain. Now what I mean by this is aside from the theatrics of the character they don't actually fit the vaudeville villain archetype at all. Even as early back as the Delgado era The Master always came off as more of a frenemy than an enemy. The Master in my eyes has always been a dark reflection/foil of what the Doctor could be, he/she is a character who clearly has the potential to do so much good but instead causes chaos and strife. So I disagree in this idea that the Master is some lame and obsolete pantomime villain but rather a friend of the Doctor's playing the part of the villain. The character has undergone several complex changes since their inception in the 70s and Missy's latest character arc in Season 10 is proof of that. If Missy does survive/regenerate I will agree with you that they can't go on like this and thus I think that the dynamic of the character needs to change. The Master is too dependant on the Doctor's existence and should develop into something more e.g. an Anti-Hero, Anti-Villain or just anything to change the dynamic of the character. Moffat laid the groundwork for this in Season 10 and it would be a bloody waste if Chibnall just ignored it, I'd rather the character stay dead than that happening.
The War Master series does great things for the Master, with The Sky Man and pretty much all of Master of Callous being top notch stories in my opinion, but I feel like one of the Masters best stories ALONGSIDE the Doctor might be The Destination Wars, we get the First Doctor vs the First Master (Played by James Dreyfus) and the Masters plan nearly works, he only fails because he couldn't have predicted that the Doctor would have had such an unreliable TARDIS, and that Barbara could help Ian break through the Masters control.
Expecting somebody to open a fob watch they wear every day isn't exactly a weird plan.
the hottest of the takes
I've always liked the idea of the Master.
Great classic iconic look with the goat-tee and high collar black costumes with gold trim.
Great actors.
But yeah, I'm inclined to agree with you.
The Master often suffers from bad writing and nonsensical plots that made him look "nuttier than squirrel shit" (to quote someone who's name I don't know.)
🧔 And now, Doctor, you will witness my greatest victory as I kill every rabbit in England!
🧐 Kill every rabbit in England? What ever for?
🧔 Because I'm evil! HAHAHA!
🧐 O...K...
This was an unintentionally well timed video
Hey, you're right, the Master doesn't die, the Master never dies, even when discorporated and seemingly utterly destroyed, they always come back... One might say they're... Impossible... an Impossible Liar....
Ironic how you managed to predict the master coming back
I honestly think that the actress who played the master, would have made an amazing doctor.
Been watching so many clips of Doctor who as well as tributes makes me want to go watch it gaining a new respect for your Doctor who videos. Now I have to find some time to watch it all and favorite plan was Missy's she's also my favorite iteration right next to the Prime minster or before.
Happy 55th Doctor Who Anniversary
I love John simm as the master, it's such a great performance
Ok i can see your point. I can't say i am 100 behind you more like 75% . but you do have a point.
I feel like they often do really samey stories for the Master, without exploring what the character could be. Honestly, if they ever made the Master as smart as their supposed to be, the show would be over.
For all the governments and institutions the Master infiltrates, why does the Doctor always seem to encounter the Master towards the beginning of their plans? Why not after the Master has set themself up as the leader of a galactic supercluster?
Two faves:
Delgado: original, calm, and polite. I see him as one of the most pragmatic, although they sometimes portrayed him in ways that seem a bit contradictory.
Missy: most mature, and therefore most deadly. Seemingly unconcerned with conquest, and, therefore, extremely unpredictable. Also, magnetic as hell. 😎
I find that if you watch 'The Doctor Falls' then 'Death in heaven' (following the masters chronology) the story seems to be that the Doctors Speech about being Kind did in fact effect the Master, and when he Regenerated into Missy, the mission/plan from then was to be the Doctors friend.
1) Find the perfect Companion to fix what happened to Bill.
2) Create an Army for the Doctor... thats what he needed...
3) Defeat/Control the Cyber-men.
The Problem with this plan is that she is also Mad.
This was probably not planned by the writers but from that perspective i really enjoy the Arc.
Really it's been building since Tennant and Simm's last exchange. But, the episode is so ham-fisted with her turn to 'ghood' that it doesn't really focus or explore how or why. You're right, with the previous couple of appearances from her across series 8-9, the groundwork is there to do a redemption, but it never really acts on the potential imo.
most of the masters plan is created out of desperation or difficult situations and thrives in them.
the only one is the keeper of traken. he is dyeing and and decides to wait decades in the tardis, as a statue
just siting there, hypnotises a child, hopes she becomes a Politian and the near immortal super emperor dies during that politician's lifespan, and hope he, with his great powers, does not call anyone to stop him.
To be fair to Survival, comparing the Master's plan in Terror of the Autons to it isn't exactly fair because in Survival, he's not really trying to come up with the best way to defeat the Doctor. He's on his back leg, plotting desperately to try to get back to our world by any means necessary, having to do with the impediment of the bloodlust that being on this world gave him- a bloodlust that feeds into his need for revenge on the Doctor. He's not plotting power, he's plotting escape, and his best interests are clouded in his mind. I'm not sure if I explained that coherently, but that's always been my take.
Nah I love the master, John simm and missy r my favourites cuz there the only ones I’ve rlly seen but I do rlly love them both even if there plans r nuts.
Isn't Logopolis the highest stakes master plan? He straight-up Thanoses 30% of the universe.
Well this video ages well...
:'(
The Master is fine. He was way too overused for his own sake as a villain though, much like Davros and the Daleks.
It's too bad, because there are a truckload of renegade timelords to write as cool antagonists: The Rani, The Monk, Omega, Morbius or hell let's be crazy, even Romana. Imagine she got into trouble as she completed a mission for the CIA and while doing so a nasty parasite took control of her mind, for instance. It'd be interesting to see how she uses her talents for nefarious purpose and the moral dilemma the Doctor faces as he combats her.
Yeah, they need to use more renegades besides just the Master. I want the Rani and Omega back, but ESPECIALLY the Monk. He’s the best and I love how Big Finish handled him.
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And also, have them suffer regeneration accidents, such as the ones which affected the Crispy Master or the 6th Doctor. I feel like it's an excellent plot device, so rarely exploited correctly alas.
Talking about Big Finish stories, a part of me really wanna see the most significant of them getting animated, too xD My mastery of English language isn't good enough for me to follow fluently an audio story.
@Kaagh178
Whereas I agree that there aren't enough lawful Gallifreyans helping the doctor (it's unfortunate that every Castellan is a villain except Spandrell; and that the betrayal of Hedin in Arc of Infinity was a bullshit twist plotted for shock factor), I also think that there aren't enough major villains of the same race, besides Rassilon (unfortunately buried in Hell Bent through bullshit writing) and the Master (presumably dead). The Rani is interesting in the way she's a neutral evil scientist (then a welcome diversion from domination seeking chars), the Monk isn't inherently evil just irresponsible and hedonistic, as for Morbius he's a high-stake villain who spits on the time lord non-interference policy (and he's pretty fearsome at that, as his malevolent charisma allows him to raise armies of billions of soldiers).
Kaagh178 I love Romana so much for the same reasons as you. We could use more Gallifreyan protagonists
Ziusudra Rassilon was handled best on Big Finish. Check out Zagreus if you haven’t yet
Yes, the Master does not work without the Doctor, but that's the point. He/she is the opposite of the doctor, an answer to the question "What if the doctor went bad." The Master was made to be the Doctor's nemesis, the only reason that he exist is to be a pain in the Doctor's back-side. So it's not fair saying the without the Doctor, the Master is pretty pathetic, because of course he is. It's like removing Batman away from the Joker, it just ( normally) wouldn't work. Still love the video man!
Well, this video about the Master seemed very fitting, considering the character returned in series 12 and boy do I love Sacha's portrayal.
The Master is my favourite villain in doctor Who to be honest I just always get excited whenever he/she is in a story.
Sound of the Drums Master has a well thought out plan & has the time to execute it. that's the best thing about the episode. He is in a position of power & the Tardis team are in hiding having to improvise
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About this bit, if you listen to the Big Finish boxset War Master 1, it's shown that the Master runs away from the war and hides. It wasn't a plan to wait for the Doctor, it was so he could escape the Time War. After he escapes with the Doctor's TARDIS, it's then he plans to take over the Earth in this way.
Jacobi - best Master of nuWho. More menace in one line than Simm and whatshername combined. I. Am. The. Maassssster.
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"Doctor Who is too political nowadays."
I loved how Michelle Gomez portrayed Missy but.. not really my cup of tea.
The Master lives to fight The Doctor. He loves it, and so does The Doctor.... though he/she will never admit it.
"Dear dear, you really are a second rate adversary aren't you"
The valeyard: the ultimate foe
Colin Baker's run was INTENT on discrediting the Master, it's hilarious
@@SamyulDavis yeah, Ainley (not Ainsley haha) suffered the most from the big cheese.
Throw in the Rani (which sidelines him as a lackey horribly) and you've got quite the panto baddie
@@SamyulDavis have you changed your mind about having a favourite and least master since you made this video?
Not really! They're all excellent performances. I think Delgado has the best presence, Simm has the best moments and Gomez is the best usage of the character, taking her onto uncertain archetype territory.
"and then there's the end of time... we don't talk about the end of time"
I love Survival, but I have absolutely no idea what was going on in it.
Interesting point of view. Points I haven't seen displayed and I can see your point but he is still one of my favourite villains
The War Master box set is very good. Jacobi Master has a pretty good plan that shows how different the Master is to the Doctor in the way he uses people.
But "Master" is hands down the best master story, showing how even if the master could be good he will always fail, because of what the Doctor did when he was young, something so evil that the master could never top it.
Yeah his body was burnt in 2007 but he had a Ring™ that we conveniently didn’t see so he could come back
Old vid i know but river says In everyone's favourite ep let's kill Hitler. Melody pond not yet river flies to tardis to save amy and Rory. She says "she showed me how." In reference to the tardis
You sure do love renaming things, I've seen this in my suggested with 3 different titles ,the one that finally got me to click on it was 'The Many Dubious Plans of The Master'.
Dutch Alfred Make videos first, think later
The Professor Yana thing wasn't even the plan. The Time War was just so horrifying he turned himself into a human at the end of time out of pure desperation
The Master is definitely the weakest recurring villain the show has when it comes to motivation and story, but I don't think that means he's a bad villain or by any means the worst. I think his/her performances and the chemistry the actors who play him/her have with the Doctor make up for the writer's shortcomings when it comes to The Master. To me the order of the recurring Doctor Who villains go, from best to worst: the Daleks, the Cybermen, the Weeping Angels, The Master, the Silence, and finally, the dumbest villains in Doctor Who history, the Zygons. I hated everything about the Zygons, from their character design to their motivations. Seriously, aside from some outstanding performances from by Jenna Coleman and Ingrid Oliver the Zygons were terrible villains.
Edit: If I had to pick a favorite Master story, it would have to be either John Simm's appearance in the two part Christmas Special, The Sound of Drums and The Last of the Time Lords, or Roger Delgado's first appearance in Terror of the Autons. Though his death would later be undone by the series through Missy, at the time I felt no matter how rocky his character's story in between, he had entered and exited the show on a high note. And then they went and took a big dump on it in the Series 10 two part finale, World Enough and Time and The Doctor Falls. I was fine with the Missy character and was even starting to like her, but the fact that the show made both incarnations go out like a little bitch makes my blood boil. After decades of finding ways to cheat death on and off screen, they give us what feels like a permanent end to the character (and not a good one) and we know it's not gonna fucking stick cause it didn't the countless other times they faked us out.
Caleb Richardson he’s a great character, but just such an inconsistent and silly presence
I didn’t like the original concept of the character and I don’t love the way her arc was dumped. It’s the performances that have propped him up into iconic status.
@@SamyulDavis I'm agreeing with you on how the actor's performances have propped up the character, I just don't necessarily think he's the worst recurring villain we've had.
The Master had no choice but to hide away at the end of the universe to escape the horrors of the time war.
0:58 Can i hear one of the Minecraft C418 tracks very faintly in the background?
Don't judge...
I am the *Master* and you will *obey* me!
This new title is much better than the last one
CosmiKazie which did you like? I’m stuck for naming the thing.
SamyulDavis I like the current one the most, because it’s less mundane than “Doctor Who’s Dumbest Villain” and it just generally works
Uhmmm excuse me, clearly the high sparrow red nose special master isn't good enough. He crawled for years through the most vile sewer in the universe and you don't even give him a mention?! How dare you!!!
Max Farquhar That master is a joy and the only canon I care about
Disagree but I do see your point I guess.
The only thing I can't agree with really is the concept of him not making sense without the doctor. I imagine there's lots of elements that don't make sense without him he's the main character you kind of have to take him as part of it.
But for me I just love the crazy, especially John Simm
Lay off End Of Time it's cool lol
To be honest. For me, The Master always seemed to be piggy-back riding on minions that could stand alone in their own episodes. For example The 1st Master had the Autons and The Mistress had the Cybermen. However,the plroblem with Missy is that she was doing it all for The Doctor who we know will never say ''yes'' to a scheme like that. Wouldn't it have been much cooled if Missy just handed control over to a previous incarnation of her's? Also if The Master had his/her own evil plan that DIDN'T involve another Doctor Who villainous race or some other grander thing that the master is involved in then WHY aren't people talking about it? Well I guess there's the Doctor Who movie where The Master hijacks the TARDIS's Eye of Harmony. Why can't The Master have more ''master plans'' like that??? Remember how The Doctor said that his/her name was a promise he/she made? Why can't The Master do something like THAT!?!? If not, then The Master's name should instead be changed to The Oppressor since that name fits him/her a lot better given what he/she does to people and The Doctor. My point is, what The Master SHOULD be doing is something that fulfills his promise name ''Master''. THE FRICKING DICTIONARY HAS BETTER CONCEPTS FOR WHAT ''THE MASTER'' SHOULD BE DOING. Don't give us a story about him/her trying to rule something make him/her already rule something. He/She should be owning a mansion/space station with dozens of servants under him/her, a school/education place where he/she is the authority, a religious/fanatical organization that he/she should be the leader of, and IF The Master did have ''companions'' make them servants/slaves who obey & follow him/her for a variety of personal reasons and the only reason why The Doctor(s) would be ''foiling his/her plan(s)'' is because they see it, or the way The Master does it, as wrong. This not only allows The Master to live up to the name but also does something completely new for this type of character. And if The Master would be revealed to be behind some great scheme that an entire series had been building up to like the ''Vote Saxon'', or the Pandorica it would be for revenge because The Doctor had been ruining his/her ''peaceful & kind'' rule. This intrigue plot not only makes sense but part of this plan would be to go back to ruling somewhere else but not before making sure that The Doctor knows what it's like to keep someone from fulfilling their promise. The Doctor stopped him/her so now he/she is going to stop The Doctor. And if the BBC is never going to do something like THAT then we might as well call The Doctor's ''nemesis'' The Oppressor.
My favorite master stories aren't even Doctor Who stories. Derek Jacobi's war Master audiodrama is by far the BEST Master story.
4.23 - "Now with fangs????" brilliant!
If you get the book the woman who lived it says on the bit about missy that the master shot her with a full blast from his laser screwdriver that would, HE THOUGHT, prevent her regenerating again
The Master is balance to The Doctor. As long as one survives, so will the other.
I actually really like Eric’s portrayal of the master, he’s got a really sinister look about him and plus it was the 90s after all. And about the American accent, I’ve always just thought well it is a body snatch so he will likely speak in the hosts voice and accent.
Alex Macqueen is my favorite Master.
My favorite master story is Day of the Master from the Ravenous series.
Great video. I actually agree with everything you said about the John Simm Master, but I still love him! He’s kinda my big childhood villain. And since I didn’t watch the trailers and avoided news for series ten, I actually didn’t get the reveal spoiled which made me like The Doctor Falls arc more. I do think it was a mistake to just kill Missy off without letting her do her own thing. Also I forgot about that story when he hid in the statue. Hilarious!
Blockbuster Edits You didn’t get it spoiled? I’m so jealous.
He didn't just hide in the statue, it was his bloody TARDIS and the long term plan was to gain access to the Source on Traken which would have given him loads of power! It certainly gave him enough to steal Tremas body and that was only residual energy!