I was born with glass bones and paper skin. Every morning I break my legs, and every afternoon I break my arms. At night, I lie awake in agony until my heart attacks put me to sleep.
As soon as I took a bite out of my impossible burger today, my entire spine and hips shattered into a thousand pieces. Might have to retract my video. If only I had listened to Joe Rogan.
Whilst you were pretending to eat meat with expensive, highly processed, high-petroleum usage plant fractions, I had a delicious, nutrient-dense Philly cheesesteak made from venison backstrap harvested in my front yard, and provolone cheese made from my own cattle. And with excellent cholesterol ratios, a CAC at 0 and great bone density with no degradation, my supper was waste free, package free and carbon neutral, and earth and body friendly.
Good to see you promoting Avi, would be great to see a collaboration (Avi has already reached out to you, FYI), as there are shared interests, and his channel needs to grow. You may also want to join study Archives, Avi’s server. All of this information is neatly sorted in there (along with plenty of other stuff), so there are basically tons of highly detailed debunks just sitting there waiting to be given attention by someone with the platform and interest (he isn’t at all protective of his content, just wants the ideas to get out, I’m sure you can take your pick). But you might not wanna talk to him about moral realism or he’ll bring you to the dark side..
Your transparency is so incredibly refreshing. Thank you for your fantastic work! Please know there are so many of us that really appreciate your stuff.
I LOVE videos like these. Maybe I'm the oddball, but this style is one of my favorites. I also have really enjoyed the extra clips you now include at the end of every video. I always end up cracking up.
I know this has nothing to do with the actual video, but you look particularly pretty here. The colors of your shirt really suit you and so does the wave in your hair. You look really nice.
I specifically got a YT Premium subscription to help creators like you. I hate watching ads and I used adblock, but it started feeling wrong when watching a lot of content during quarantine. I definitely enjoy these videos about nutrition studies, as well as information about how to get the nutrients we need on a vegan diet. I was vegan and felt terrible so I started consuming animal products again because I had no information about how to eat properly (and I *was* having some protein with every meal). Slowly I'm going back into veganism but I'm trying to pay more attention to my body and keeping an eye on my diet on days/weeks I don't feel so well, to see what I can tweak without going back to animal products.
So glad you talked about calcium and vitamin D. I’m recovering from a foot fracture. The first thing my orthopedic surgeon said when I saw him was “let’s test your vitamin D levels (he didn’t know I was vegan or not). I was shocked that I had a vitamin D deficiency! He said that was a huge factor in breaking my foot - that and being clumsy. 😆. He said it’s very common, especially in women. I was always concerned that I was getting calcium, but didn’t think about vitamin D.
Yeah unless you supplement, pretty much everyone has low vitamin D levels. I live somewhere very sunny and I still have to supplement! I take one 10,000 iu D3 every week cause I'd just forget to take a lower dose daily lol. My levels were are at 30 ng/mL last time I got checked which I believe is pretty good.
That's actually why most Calcium supplements available are combined with Vitamin D; it increases the absorption of Calcium! So even if you're getting enough dietary Calcium, if you're not sufficient in Vitamin D it won't be absorbed well.
the way you oh so eloquently tell people they are flat out wrong is so fantastic. your videos make me smile while educating me on some important things relating to veganism (and others too!) thank you so much for your videos
I think running has a bad reputation because too many already-skinny people do it for weight loss. Low BMI, calorie deficit, of course it won't be good for your bones if you do it that way. No need to knock endurance, but bad practices are bad practices.
@@jayy7754 My nursing textbook considers it a weight-bearing exercise that benefits the legs and hips (though it is also endurance exercise which benefits the cardiovascular system). I agree that it can be misused by those with eating disorders (along with all forms of exercise).
Thanks. A very timely video for me, having recently broken my leg, wrist and neck in a fall. The nutrition information and discussion of research is why I began watching and continue to watch your channel.
Hey, I highly recommend checking out Simon of the Plant Proof (on IG or his website). He is breaking down super scientific information and studies in an easy to understand way and not judgemental. He also has a brilliant podcast. So much to learn!
@@kgon_channel yeah obviously. Olive oil is soo much better! You can actually drink that shit! (It's a joke. But my omivore (but not every day meat) bf drowns his daily salad in it.
So I quickly read through the paper and the thing that jumped out at me is that they don't actually have any measure of bone density, which is obviously directly correlated with fractures. They cite previous studies reporting lower bone density in vegans and vegetarians, but actually connecting the bone density with the fractures and the fracture locations would have been more informative and more interpretable, in my opinion.
@@heidih3048 It is obvious that lower bone density would lead to more susceptibility to fractures, but having the correlating reduced bone density would be more informative about the fractures, rather than just diet and fractures as independent variables. They could also have reported the accompanying activity that led to the fractures to potentially address this point. As it is now, all things are equal, but a slip leading to a fractured hip is different than falling off a bike or getting hit by a car. Right now, all they can say is that vegans may be more prone to specific location fractures, but they can't directly link those fractures to diet induced reduction in bone density.
I used to watch your vids multiple times, but I've been doing that less lately because all the people I follow have been churning out content like mad, so I've spent more time watching other vids too. Might explain some of the view dip.
have you seen mic's video where he talks about breastfeeding?? apparently that was a massive ignored factor, where the difference between the amount of female meat eaters who had kids and vegans who had kids and the amount of decrease in risk of bone breaks between mothers and childfree women almost perfectly explain the bone break rate in vegans? that plus the fact that there's no statistically significant difference in men cinches it for me.
This is wonderful and I agree. You need to forgive yourself. All young people make mistakes because they are learning and experimenting - just some of those have way worse consequences than others and that is tragic.
To comment on your note regarding yoga just to “tone”, it is actually a really good weight bearing exercise. Better even for your upper body than lifting traditional hand weights because you are using your full body weight to balance your entire body with your arms or 1 leg at times. I actually increased my BMD score in my wrists just doing yoga. I am an X-Ray Tech and did the Bone Density scans on patients for our clinic, so I was getting measurements on myself yearly even though I was in my early 30s. Yoga gets a bad rap for just being “stretching”, but there’s much more to it. You work muscles that you don’t normally get in traditional workout methods and in different ways, so it’s very beneficial even to body builders to incorporate it into your routine.
I’m a little concerned about absorbability of some of the calcium supplements added to the nut milks, and confused about which is better. I have osteoporosis and it’s very confusing and hard to trust that the supplemented nut milk calcium is absorbing well. Also, i would never take a calcium supplement without the accompanying other vitamins / minerals. It’s best to take a bone formula with vitamin K 2 7 in my opinion. I read the K2 7 is another very important supplement to take with calcium to absorb well. It’s a complex topic, yet very important! Please don’t ignore keeping track of your calcium. I’m paying the price. I’m really fragile and now have a rebuilt shoulder two metal plates and pins in my body plus hospital bills through the roof. Within 4 years, a broken wrist, broken leg, disk fractures, rebuilt shoulder! And the worst part is, that these came from little accidents where I shouldn’t have broken anything. I’ve also developed a phobic fear about falling, tripping or slipping on winter ice. It’s just exhausting watching every step. Its too dangerous to ride my bike anymore too. I’m so sad. And I’m never really healed, I have nerve damage and constant pain in my one arm & shoulder, plus chronic back pain. Osteoporosis is silent and you’d never know until it’s too late. I’ve always been thin & very active, and thought I watched my diet well. I never dreamt this would happen to me. I finally got a bone scan that confirmed. Be careful. Calcium and it’s absorption is very important!
Im confused, what is the problem with 24% of daily calcium coming from spinach in that hypothetical diet? What makes the calcium from spinach inadequate if you're eating enough to meet the daily value?
Dr. Greger has excellent videos on calcium in a vegan diet. Osteoporosis and osteopenia have more to do with inadequate vitamin D, low vitamin K, and low physical activity, than it does with calcium intake. The body doesn't actually need alot of calcium. Half your bones are made of protein, not calcium.
On the ad revenue, I don't know if it's a pattern, but this is what I do. Being stuck at home alone a lot of the time I'm using UA-cam kind of like a radio station, clicking on my favorite small company contributors and just letting the video play while I'm doing other stuff. As such, I'm not skipping the ads, because then I have to stop doing what I was doing. Plus, if I clicked on your video I most likely support what you are trying to do with your channel and I would want you to make something on my view.
UA-cam now has the premium option, where there are no ads, but it costs money like Netflix. They are giving unskippable ads so you get frustrated and buy premium.
Bone health depends on only two factors. The first is getting enough protein which means .36 grams of protein for each pound of body weight before the age of 65 and .48 grams per pound of body weight after the age of 65. Bones are build on a protein matrix from which calcium hangs. If you don't have a strong protein matrix the calcium has nothing to cling to. It's like a home, if the frame isn't solid the siding will simply fall away. Eat your beans and you'll get these levels without a problem. The 2nd and just as important is reducing daily sodium intake to 1,500 mg per day. Excess sodium causes the bones to leach calcium and dramatically ups the requirement for calcium. Stop the sodium and getting just 500 mg of calcium per day will be plenty. The reason so many vegans have bad bones is not eating plenty of beans and lentils and eating so much vegan junk food that their sodium intake is way above even omnivores in the US.
it does surprise me that the RDA for calcium is lower in the UK, because they have SO little sunlight and fewer food "additives" (fortifications), they they probably get even less vitamin D than the typical american. that seems like it'd make more sense for their RDA to be higher
Okay but your hair keeps getting prettier and prettier in each video. It makes me want to chop mine to shoulder length. Also I hope one day humanity reaches a point that we'll have a full 24 hours without any clickbaity health scare content. But oh well at least I can watch you roast them like chestnuts with my morning coffee. 🤷
UA-cam apparently has done something with its algorithm. A lot of creators have noticed drastic drops in their views and feedback has been generally, that videos don't get recommended to subscribers as much as they used to be.
Actually the 0.8 grams of protein per kg recommended by WHO already takes in consideration the bio-availability of proteins from plants. Before they made this adjustment the RDA was 0.5 grams per kg.
I take a multivitamin everyday. Unfortunately, I have a stress fracture from a bad slip and fall whilst running.🙈 Some would say I fit into this study fracture wise, but runners are more likely to suffer injury regardless of diet. I thought this study was complete crap the moment it came out.
I don't like a lot of the vegan high sources of calcium, I'm not likely to manage to eat them every single day. My local supermarket does a 50% RDA calcium 50% vit d supplement, why not? (i'm a northern latitude too)
Also this appears to be a secondary analysis in EPIC data, which is a FFQ so intakes are estimated from average food intakes. You can look up the EPIC FFQ and see what I mean. Further, they couldn't really specify what was collected since it was a secondary analysis
Hey Swayze! Do you think all of us needs the same amount of nutrients including calcium? My weight is 45 kg(I am not dieting or something, i am just small) and I rarely get enough amount of calcium because my calorie intake is low. I am worried about it, but I can't believe that I need the same amount of calcium as someone who is much taller and weights 90kg for example. Actually I suggest that all these nutrient norms(excluding protein) probably were counted for some middle-sized man like many things in medicine. But I have never heard someone speking about it. Maybe you know something?
Im pretty sure its weight bearing exercise (like running, and jumping) that increases bone density, not weight lifting as you stated. that doesnt put mechanical stress on bones
Lifting weights definitely puts mechanical stress on your bones. The stress that’s put on your bones comes from the pulling and pushing of your muscles. Picking up weights and moving them is causing your muscles to push and pull, thus putting stress on your bones.
O WoW, making a linear assumption assumption when you shouldn't is a very rookie mistake( in physics at least). It should always be very clearly be stated that you do. I struggled reading the research but I don't remember reading anything about it. It should be noted in the statistical analysis that making that assumption creates huge error margins. And I wouldn't be surprised that if they would they wouldn't archieve statistical significance. In other words, the conclusion might not hold if they redo the statical analysis.
You say "what have we learned - virtually nothing" but then follow it up with 3 min of what to take away. It seems to me that you and other well educated vegans allready know these things but a lot of vegans dont. If the study sheds some light on these issues, its a good thing, isn't it? Also: i dont think the study wanted to show the effects of a "perfect vegan diet" but the effects of the diet of some random vegan people, of which some are very close to a good vegan diet and some are not. As to be expected in real life. The sample-size is of course not representative and there is some other issues. But the results still have some value. Love the channel and your style of reasoning though! Best regards
yeah that was my thought as well, this was of actual vegans not vegans eating perfectly, not 'every vegan is doomed to this fate' but a lot of vegans are maybe going in this direction.
Perhaps have you ever spoken about calcium IN water, and i missed this video but for calcium i found water with hight level of calcium ( about 500 mg /liter) here in France, is that a good source too ? And in my country all salts for cooking are with iode, only non commons salts can be without iode. But thank a lot for all your informations !
No worries Swayze... I am gonna binge watch your vids today while I work 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍 cant fit patreon into my budget at the moment but I can def binge watch your content. I love your videos!!!!!!! 💟💟💟💟💟💟💟💟💟
UA-cam definitely changed the ad system!! The ads are sooo crazy now, they just keep playing and playing until you click skip. And there are longer and longer unstoppable ads everyday
@@Becky0494 Thanks! I still make some mistakes writing in english, but It's from all the streaming of tv shows without subtitles that I learned it so well :D
Looks like this room has the statistical prowess of a potato. At 3:56 she clearly shows her lack of understanding of the 1 inside a 95% CI. And the plebes just eat it up, haha it’s comical, break a leg, I mean, hip ;). People here took advice from someone who stated at the beginning of the video “I don’t know what I’m talking about” lmaoooo
Unnatural vegan frequently defends good "anti-vegan" studies and criticizes bad "pro-vegan" studies, an example of which was mentioned 20 seconds into the video, which you either haven't watched or are deciding to ignore to protect your dogmatic beliefs.
@@MohamedAdelSci Yes..... my "dogmatic beliefs"... oh boy... Good thing you reminded me she's an "unnatural" vegan. I guess that means a normal or "natural" vegan would tend to do the opposite. Thanks for pointing it out and answering my question.
@@virusmyth4930 The unnatural in the name is in reference to the appeal to nature fallacy, not to "normal", So no, it doesn't. Also your original comment was about all vegans, as if being vegan implies being biased, which is clearly proven false by unnatural vegan's channel.
@michelle case She doesn't commit a "reverse appeal to nature" (Like that's not even a thing) nor does she promote "the artifical path" lol, these are strawmans of her stance. There are things that are good for you and things that are bad for you, and it's evidence that can tell us which is which. Science does not point to "nature being the answer", that IS the appeal to nature fallacy. Natural things that are good, are good because there's evidence that they are good, not because they're natural. Likewise lots of man-made things are good for you, yet lots of natural things are bad for you.
Excellent video Unnatural vegan and as has been pointed out that it's flawed because it's biased towards animal foods and sounds like it's been conducted by those who consume animal foods.
No, it's flawed because the methodology is very limited, because any nutrition research is very difficult to do, and because typically you need a study like this to get funding for a more in depth study. Also news sites suck at reporting the nuances of scientific studies since that doesn't make a good headline.
12:45... this really rubbed me the wrong way. So much so that I came back to comment this. Not wanting wrinkles is "really shallow"? Blame the system that values beauty at any cost, not the ones who have to partake in it in order to not be discriminated against. Older women are shamed enough by society for the natural process of aging without another woman swooping in and shaming them further. That comment made me embarrassed FOR you. What a pickme comment to make. I love this channel and most of your views but some of the shit you say is ignorant as hell. Gives me a very 🌟 I'm not like other girls 🌟 vibe. Not caring doesn't make you special.
I would never be without my premium account. And its a ridiculous indulgence but occasionally I cancel it, and within a day of having ads again I'm like nope, and subscribe to it again
Does anyone know any resources that are comprehensive on making sure my vegan diet is balanced? I am happy to buy a book or something. My diet is pretty unhealthy at the moment but I need stuff to be super convenient. I would be very grateful for the help.
Soooo, being a skinny female on any type of diet over age 40 increases risk of hip fractures. As a fitness instructor, I have a bigger sample size than this study and can verify that is absolutely accurate. Added after: I stopped watching your videos after the books one and the abbey sharp thing, because you really disturbed me with your casual racism, denial of the existence of the unconscious (basically), and refusal to respond to many comments on the subject. I’m watching a little again, but, not unlike going vegan, I hope to eliminate this channel entirely in the future.
Alpha destiny or Clarence Kennedy give great ways to eat vegan cleanly and be huge. I eat 🥬 smoothie, Garden of Life protein powder. I’m old af and been vegan a long time. I stay strong pretty easy. Don’t pander to this weak vegan bullshit. Hard work pays off no matter what you eat.👋
Swayze has suggested deva multi in past videos. It’s really cheap and I took it for a while and liked it. I’m taking something different now since I’m pregnant though but I did like it when I took it before
Thorne multi is a multi that is comprehensive for vegans. They are tested and score well through third party organizations to ensure you’re getting what they say you are, which is important since the supplement industry is not well regulated. They’re going to cost you more than your run of the mill otc multi, though. They don’t test on animals and have a seemingly good environmental and ethical foundation, so I always appreciate that.
Please ignore all nutrition health studies, they tell us nothing. Know your body, set yourself goals, and eat what makes you feel optimal and helps you achieve your goals.
Not statistically significant. So many meaningless stats being published or meaningful stats which should be 1 percent of the data you need to conclude anything. Sometimes you use lin reg just because the data isn’t going to let you do anything else which gives you statistically significant results. So, lack of a log reg when a log reg is expected is usually indication that the data wasn’t presenting an exponential relationship. That’s troubling if you know the universe has an exponential relationship. But they throw out all of the truly meaningless crap and publish the rest and expect you to know what is noise and what isn’t.
Some of these studies are pointless. In other studies, they use athletes, that comparison seem more controlled. However, I don't think it is wise to recommend calcium supplements without Vitamin K2. Specially people with history of stones.
I wish you would call Avi out on his "abortion holocaust" sentiment. I wouldn't trust him blindly, good that you verified what he was saying for your video.
Thanks for the video. What about all these meat eaters who have heart attacks because they are obese. We have an obese epidemic. It is totally off scale yet these dunderheids manage to make a study about Vegans and their bone strength.
I was born with glass bones and paper skin. Every morning I break my legs, and every afternoon I break my arms. At night, I lie awake in agony until my heart attacks put me to sleep.
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What?
@@heidih3048 it's a Spongebob Squarepants reference lol.
@@hayleym1483 Thank you
LOL
As soon as I took a bite out of my impossible burger today, my entire spine and hips shattered into a thousand pieces. Might have to retract my video. If only I had listened to Joe Rogan.
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go easy on that keyboard
typing is no easy task for us fragile plant eaters
Whilst you were pretending to eat meat with expensive, highly processed, high-petroleum usage plant fractions, I had a delicious, nutrient-dense Philly cheesesteak made from venison backstrap harvested in my front yard, and provolone cheese made from my own cattle. And with excellent cholesterol ratios, a CAC at 0 and great bone density with no degradation, my supper was waste free, package free and carbon neutral, and earth and body friendly.
hahaha
RIP deer
Careful of your thumb bones when you smash those like and subscribe buttons.
I'm watching on my laptop so it's my index finger I have to be careful of 😂
Ha! I’m not vegan so I can smash that like button as hard as I want!
Do you know what happened to she baby
Like oof
@@annala2956 do you know that she has baby
Good to see you promoting Avi, would be great to see a collaboration (Avi has already reached out to you, FYI), as there are shared interests, and his channel needs to grow. You may also want to join study Archives, Avi’s server. All of this information is neatly sorted in there (along with plenty of other stuff), so there are basically tons of highly detailed debunks just sitting there waiting to be given attention by someone with the platform and interest (he isn’t at all protective of his content, just wants the ideas to get out, I’m sure you can take your pick). But you might not wanna talk to him about moral realism or he’ll bring you to the dark side..
Yeah but she might realise you're not an evil racist and that would mean admitting she was wrong.
Man Isaac laid it down RAW!!!!
i feel like she'll ignore this out of ego
Avi + UV would be great. This is universally quantified for clarity.
Isn't he a pro-lifer though? :/
Your transparency is so incredibly refreshing. Thank you for your fantastic work! Please know there are so many of us that really appreciate your stuff.
I LOVE videos like these. Maybe I'm the oddball, but this style is one of my favorites. I also have really enjoyed the extra clips you now include at the end of every video. I always end up cracking up.
I know this has nothing to do with the actual video, but you look particularly pretty here. The colors of your shirt really suit you and so does the wave in your hair. You look really nice.
I specifically got a YT Premium subscription to help creators like you. I hate watching ads and I used adblock, but it started feeling wrong when watching a lot of content during quarantine.
I definitely enjoy these videos about nutrition studies, as well as information about how to get the nutrients we need on a vegan diet. I was vegan and felt terrible so I started consuming animal products again because I had no information about how to eat properly (and I *was* having some protein with every meal). Slowly I'm going back into veganism but I'm trying to pay more attention to my body and keeping an eye on my diet on days/weeks I don't feel so well, to see what I can tweak without going back to animal products.
So glad you talked about calcium and vitamin D. I’m recovering from a foot fracture. The first thing my orthopedic surgeon said when I saw him was “let’s test your vitamin D levels (he didn’t know I was vegan or not). I was shocked that I had a vitamin D deficiency! He said that was a huge factor in breaking my foot - that and being clumsy. 😆. He said it’s very common, especially in women. I was always concerned that I was getting calcium, but didn’t think about vitamin D.
Yeah unless you supplement, pretty much everyone has low vitamin D levels. I live somewhere very sunny and I still have to supplement! I take one 10,000 iu D3 every week cause I'd just forget to take a lower dose daily lol. My levels were are at 30 ng/mL last time I got checked which I believe is pretty good.
That's actually why most Calcium supplements available are combined with Vitamin D; it increases the absorption of Calcium! So even if you're getting enough dietary Calcium, if you're not sufficient in Vitamin D it won't be absorbed well.
the way you oh so eloquently tell people they are flat out wrong is so fantastic. your videos make me smile while educating me on some important things relating to veganism (and others too!) thank you so much for your videos
Just waiting for her take on Alligator Woman whose hand got chomped at a kid's birthday party.
Thank you for posting this video. The study keeps popping up all over my news feed.
Glad to hear the creators are benefiting from the increase in ads! Must admit it crossed my mind they wouldn't & UA-cam would be pocketing the extra👍❤
Thank you for being a voice of reason for this community 💚💚
Love the profile pic. 👌
I like your snowflake background :3
You guys still have bones? In 2020? In this economy???
They’re the cheap, zero-waste option 💅🏻 I grew mine all by myself
vegans will turn into monkeys in 2021 devolution...... vegans are like co**unists they go backwards
Fast-paced walking and jogging are also considered weight-bearing exercises which promote bone health (source: nursing textbook)
I think running has a bad reputation because too many already-skinny people do it for weight loss. Low BMI, calorie deficit, of course it won't be good for your bones if you do it that way. No need to knock endurance, but bad practices are bad practices.
@@jayy7754 My nursing textbook considers it a weight-bearing exercise that benefits the legs and hips (though it is also endurance exercise which benefits the cardiovascular system). I agree that it can be misused by those with eating disorders (along with all forms of exercise).
@@jayy7754 stop associating everything with eds.
@@opidasdagoat Are you telling me running is bad for bone health in general? That's the alternative. I run FOR my bone health.
Commenting here for the algorithm! great video thank you for talking about this study
I love your research videos! They're some of my favourites :)
Thanks. A very timely video for me, having recently broken my leg, wrist and neck in a fall. The nutrition information and discussion of research is why I began watching and continue to watch your channel.
THANK YOU! Was waiting for this video from you :)
Not vegan yet but I trust this woman in the nice shirt. Hard to find non bias info on this subject. 🍔
Hey, I highly recommend checking out Simon of the Plant Proof (on IG or his website). He is breaking down super scientific information and studies in an easy to understand way and not judgemental. He also has a brilliant podcast. So much to learn!
This lady is very biased and has a load of problems she can't deal with. I would not take advice from someone who drinks canola oil.
@@kgon_channel yeah obviously.
Olive oil is soo much better! You can actually drink that shit!
(It's a joke. But my omivore (but not every day meat) bf drowns his daily salad in it.
@@dutchik5107 Well you can drink pretty much any oil, but how are you going to deal with all the inflammation it will cause in your body?
@@kgon_channel except she doesn’t “drink” it.
"please ignore that vegan bone fracture study"
"please ignore meat related cancer study"
So I quickly read through the paper and the thing that jumped out at me is that they don't actually have any measure of bone density, which is obviously directly correlated with fractures. They cite previous studies reporting lower bone density in vegans and vegetarians, but actually connecting the bone density with the fractures and the fracture locations would have been more informative and more interpretable, in my opinion.
Isn't it obvious that lower bone density would correlate with greater incidence of fractures? A less dense bone is a more easily fractured bone.
@@heidih3048 It is obvious that lower bone density would lead to more susceptibility to fractures, but having the correlating reduced bone density would be more informative about the fractures, rather than just diet and fractures as independent variables. They could also have reported the accompanying activity that led to the fractures to potentially address this point. As it is now, all things are equal, but a slip leading to a fractured hip is different than falling off a bike or getting hit by a car. Right now, all they can say is that vegans may be more prone to specific location fractures, but they can't directly link those fractures to diet induced reduction in bone density.
@@peachyykeen80 Yes, what you suggest would be very useful information here.
I have low bone mass; vegetarian for 44 years. Trying to power eat collards; just added D3 to my diet.
Hi, better take D3 with K2.
Thank you for this eye opener that I need more calcium, lysine and iodine in my diet. Going to check my multivitamins rn
I used to watch your vids multiple times, but I've been doing that less lately because all the people I follow have been churning out content like mad, so I've spent more time watching other vids too. Might explain some of the view dip.
have you seen mic's video where he talks about breastfeeding?? apparently that was a massive ignored factor, where the difference between the amount of female meat eaters who had kids and vegans who had kids and the amount of decrease in risk of bone breaks between mothers and childfree women almost perfectly explain the bone break rate in vegans? that plus the fact that there's no statistically significant difference in men cinches it for me.
This video was great! Very interesting seeing your view point of these studies
This is wonderful and I agree. You need to forgive yourself. All young people make mistakes because they are learning and experimenting - just some of those have way worse consequences than others and that is tragic.
I bought the skillet on the store page not too long ago. I'm really enjoying it; well worth the money!
I just heard a doctor say it was because they are usually thinner from a vegan diet and have less fat to cushion them when they fall.
I find you talking about studies super interesting and informative!! I like these kind of videos
Parathyroid hormone also impacts calcium in the bones. This might be worth considering.
it's very difficult to affect parathyroid
Thank you, Swayze! This is my family's go to reason for me to eat meat, I was really hoping you would talk about this!
omg ive never seen "Uploaded 15 seconds ago" im so early
To comment on your note regarding yoga just to “tone”, it is actually a really good weight bearing exercise. Better even for your upper body than lifting traditional hand weights because you are using your full body weight to balance your entire body with your arms or 1 leg at times. I actually increased my BMD score in my wrists just doing yoga. I am an X-Ray Tech and did the Bone Density scans on patients for our clinic, so I was getting measurements on myself yearly even though I was in my early 30s. Yoga gets a bad rap for just being “stretching”, but there’s much more to it. You work muscles that you don’t normally get in traditional workout methods and in different ways, so it’s very beneficial even to body builders to incorporate it into your routine.
I’m a little concerned about absorbability of some of the calcium supplements added to the nut milks, and confused about which is better. I have osteoporosis and it’s very confusing and hard to trust that the supplemented nut milk calcium is absorbing well. Also, i would never take a calcium supplement without the accompanying other vitamins / minerals. It’s best to take a bone formula with vitamin K 2 7 in my opinion. I read the K2 7 is another very important supplement to take with calcium to absorb well. It’s a complex topic, yet very important! Please don’t ignore keeping track of your calcium. I’m paying the price. I’m really fragile and now have a rebuilt shoulder two metal plates and pins in my body plus hospital bills through the roof. Within 4 years, a broken wrist, broken leg, disk fractures, rebuilt shoulder! And the worst part is, that these came from little accidents where I shouldn’t have broken anything. I’ve also developed a phobic fear about falling, tripping or slipping on winter ice. It’s just exhausting watching every step. Its too dangerous to ride my bike anymore too. I’m so sad. And I’m never really healed, I have nerve damage and constant pain in my one arm & shoulder, plus chronic back pain. Osteoporosis is silent and you’d never know until it’s too late. I’ve always been thin & very active, and thought I watched my diet well. I never dreamt this would happen to me. I finally got a bone scan that confirmed. Be careful. Calcium and it’s absorption is very important!
Im confused, what is the problem with 24% of daily calcium coming from spinach in that hypothetical diet? What makes the calcium from spinach inadequate if you're eating enough to meet the daily value?
Dr. Greger has excellent videos on calcium in a vegan diet.
Osteoporosis and osteopenia have more to do with inadequate vitamin D, low vitamin K, and low physical activity, than it does with calcium intake. The body doesn't actually need alot of calcium. Half your bones are made of protein, not calcium.
On the ad revenue, I don't know if it's a pattern, but this is what I do. Being stuck at home alone a lot of the time I'm using UA-cam kind of like a radio station, clicking on my favorite small company contributors and just letting the video play while I'm doing other stuff. As such, I'm not skipping the ads, because then I have to stop doing what I was doing. Plus, if I clicked on your video I most likely support what you are trying to do with your channel and I would want you to make something on my view.
UA-cam now has the premium option, where there are no ads, but it costs money like Netflix. They are giving unskippable ads so you get frustrated and buy premium.
I've been waiting for this! 😁
Bone health depends on only two factors. The first is getting enough protein which means .36 grams of protein for each pound of body weight before the age of 65 and .48 grams per pound of body weight after the age of 65. Bones are build on a protein matrix from which calcium hangs. If you don't have a strong protein matrix the calcium has nothing to cling to. It's like a home, if the frame isn't solid the siding will simply fall away. Eat your beans and you'll get these levels without a problem. The 2nd and just as important is reducing daily sodium intake to 1,500 mg per day. Excess sodium causes the bones to leach calcium and dramatically ups the requirement for calcium. Stop the sodium and getting just 500 mg of calcium per day will be plenty. The reason so many vegans have bad bones is not eating plenty of beans and lentils and eating so much vegan junk food that their sodium intake is way above even omnivores in the US.
it does surprise me that the RDA for calcium is lower in the UK, because they have SO little sunlight and fewer food "additives" (fortifications), they they probably get even less vitamin D than the typical american. that seems like it'd make more sense for their RDA to be higher
Okay but your hair keeps getting prettier and prettier in each video. It makes me want to chop mine to shoulder length. Also I hope one day humanity reaches a point that we'll have a full 24 hours without any clickbaity health scare content. But oh well at least I can watch you roast them like chestnuts with my morning coffee. 🤷
UA-cam apparently has done something with its algorithm. A lot of creators have noticed drastic drops in their views and feedback has been generally, that videos don't get recommended to subscribers as much as they used to be.
Love this video! Do you mind commenting/making a video on the CBC article about a Palm Oil substitute that the University of Guelph has made? :)
Actually the 0.8 grams of protein per kg recommended by WHO already takes in consideration the bio-availability of proteins from plants. Before they made this adjustment the RDA was 0.5 grams per kg.
I've never seen or heard that anywhere. Do you have a source?
I got that phytoestrogen to keep my bone density at peak levels. Suck on that! kappa
fuck this is some high lvl shit
Very well done 👍
I take a multivitamin everyday. Unfortunately, I have a stress fracture from a bad slip and fall whilst running.🙈 Some would say I fit into this study fracture wise, but runners are more likely to suffer injury regardless of diet.
I thought this study was complete crap the moment it came out.
Fracture is from falling😂 not your diet.
@@Lettersandstuff It is hard to convey a joke.
I feel like a conversation between Avi and Shwayze would be fun.
That “tee hee” at the bottom of the sex screen... I’m dead 🤣🤣🤣
at what time was that? didn't see it :'( :D
In the past few months, I've seen more meat eaters getting fractures or sprained ankles. A lot of them aren't on the lower end of BMI, either.
My bone gets stronger when I watch your videos
I don't like a lot of the vegan high sources of calcium, I'm not likely to manage to eat them every single day. My local supermarket does a 50% RDA calcium 50% vit d supplement, why not? (i'm a northern latitude too)
Also this appears to be a secondary analysis in EPIC data, which is a FFQ so intakes are estimated from average food intakes. You can look up the EPIC FFQ and see what I mean. Further, they couldn't really specify what was collected since it was a secondary analysis
Hi UV I know this is not really your realm but I would LOVE to see how you find good information for News/politics!!
maybe she doesn't ... considering her blm video
Thank you a lot for your videos!
Hey Swayze! Do you think all of us needs the same amount of nutrients including calcium? My weight is 45 kg(I am not dieting or something, i am just small) and I rarely get enough amount of calcium because my calorie intake is low. I am worried about it, but I can't believe that I need the same amount of calcium as someone who is much taller and weights 90kg for example. Actually I suggest that all these nutrient norms(excluding protein) probably were counted for some middle-sized man like many things in medicine. But I have never heard someone speking about it. Maybe you know something?
Still nursing a knee injury from 6 months ago. I'm hoping a calcium/D3 supplement can help
Thanks for another great video!
Im pretty sure its weight bearing exercise (like running, and jumping) that increases bone density, not weight lifting as you stated. that doesnt put mechanical stress on bones
I don't think that's how it works..
@@Co-km6cl what do you mean? Dont think its how what works
Lifting weights definitely puts mechanical stress on your bones. The stress that’s put on your bones comes from the pulling and pushing of your muscles. Picking up weights and moving them is causing your muscles to push and pull, thus putting stress on your bones.
Lifting weights is definitely a way to strengthen everything.. bones included
O WoW, making a linear assumption assumption when you shouldn't is a very rookie mistake( in physics at least). It should always be very clearly be stated that you do. I struggled reading the research but I don't remember reading anything about it. It should be noted in the statistical analysis that making that assumption creates huge error margins. And I wouldn't be surprised that if they would they wouldn't archieve statistical significance. In other words, the conclusion might not hold if they redo the statical analysis.
You say "what have we learned - virtually nothing" but then follow it up with 3 min of what to take away. It seems to me that you and other well educated vegans allready know these things but a lot of vegans dont. If the study sheds some light on these issues, its a good thing, isn't it?
Also: i dont think the study wanted to show the effects of a "perfect vegan diet" but the effects of the diet of some random vegan people, of which some are very close to a good vegan diet and some are not. As to be expected in real life. The sample-size is of course not representative and there is some other issues. But the results still have some value.
Love the channel and your style of reasoning though! Best regards
yeah that was my thought as well, this was of actual vegans not vegans eating perfectly, not 'every vegan is doomed to this fate' but a lot of vegans are maybe going in this direction.
Thanks for the video
I saw dogman outside in my trash. What do I do?
Perhaps have you ever spoken about calcium IN water, and i missed this video but for calcium i found water with hight level of calcium ( about 500 mg /liter) here in France, is that a good source too ? And in my country all salts for cooking are with iode, only non commons salts can be without iode. But thank a lot for all your informations !
Rightful Title: Please Ignore Vegans
Love the hair love the make up love the outfit love the video
No worries Swayze... I am gonna binge watch your vids today while I work 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍 cant fit patreon into my budget at the moment but I can def binge watch your content. I love your videos!!!!!!! 💟💟💟💟💟💟💟💟💟
UA-cam definitely changed the ad system!! The ads are sooo crazy now, they just keep playing and playing until you click skip. And there are longer and longer unstoppable ads everyday
Ad, not add. Ad = *Ad*vertizement. Add = *Add*ition.
@@RestingBitchface7 Thanks! English is not my first language, so i still get things wrong sometimes...
@@saraviegas2141 your English is so good!
@@Becky0494 Thanks! I still make some mistakes writing in english, but It's from all the streaming of tv shows without subtitles that I learned it so well :D
👍❤ Enjoyed listening to this❣
i just broke mine and i'm vegan for 1 year now 41 year old athlete.....
Looks like this room has the statistical prowess of a potato. At 3:56 she clearly shows her lack of understanding of the 1 inside a 95% CI. And the plebes just eat it up, haha it’s comical, break a leg, I mean, hip ;). People here took advice from someone who stated at the beginning of the video “I don’t know what I’m talking about” lmaoooo
Thank you!
i just started watching the video so nothing to say about the content yet, but your hair looks bomb as fuck
I'm obese. Am I still supposed to be going by weight for how much protein I need?
Great video as always! Also, you are very pretty!!!!
I wonder if vegans would be booing the study in case the results were pro-vegan.
Clearly not
Unnatural vegan frequently defends good "anti-vegan" studies and criticizes bad "pro-vegan" studies, an example of which was mentioned 20 seconds into the video, which you either haven't watched or are deciding to ignore to protect your dogmatic beliefs.
@@MohamedAdelSci
Yes..... my "dogmatic beliefs"... oh boy...
Good thing you reminded me she's an
"unnatural" vegan.
I guess that means a normal or "natural" vegan would tend to do the opposite.
Thanks for pointing it out and answering
my question.
@@virusmyth4930 The unnatural in the name is in reference to the appeal to nature fallacy, not to "normal", So no, it doesn't. Also your original comment was about all vegans, as if being vegan implies being biased, which is clearly proven false by unnatural vegan's channel.
@michelle case She doesn't commit a "reverse appeal to nature" (Like that's not even a thing) nor does she promote "the artifical path" lol, these are strawmans of her stance. There are things that are good for you and things that are bad for you, and it's evidence that can tell us which is which. Science does not point to "nature being the answer", that IS the appeal to nature fallacy. Natural things that are good, are good because there's evidence that they are good, not because they're natural. Likewise lots of man-made things are good for you, yet lots of natural things are bad for you.
That study shows up on my Google feed like everyday. It's so annoying!!
go eat some meat and you bones will get strong no mock meat
@@punker4Real And you go learn grammar.
Excellent video Unnatural vegan and as has been pointed out that it's flawed because it's biased towards animal foods and sounds like it's been conducted by those who consume animal foods.
No, it's flawed because the methodology is very limited, because any nutrition research is very difficult to do, and because typically you need a study like this to get funding for a more in depth study. Also news sites suck at reporting the nuances of scientific studies since that doesn't make a good headline.
And that's why I love my fortified oat milk, with B12, D and Calcium :D
What brand?
12:45... this really rubbed me the wrong way. So much so that I came back to comment this. Not wanting wrinkles is "really shallow"? Blame the system that values beauty at any cost, not the ones who have to partake in it in order to not be discriminated against. Older women are shamed enough by society for the natural process of aging without another woman swooping in and shaming them further. That comment made me embarrassed FOR you. What a pickme comment to make.
I love this channel and most of your views but some of the shit you say is ignorant as hell. Gives me a very
🌟 I'm not like other girls 🌟 vibe. Not caring doesn't make you special.
A couple of oranges for breakfast works for calcium.
Premium is worth it if you spend enough time on UA-cam. I haven't watched an ad in months.. soo nice.
I would never be without my premium account. And its a ridiculous indulgence but occasionally I cancel it, and within a day of having ads again I'm like nope, and subscribe to it again
Does anyone know any resources that are comprehensive on making sure my vegan diet is balanced? I am happy to buy a book or something. My diet is pretty unhealthy at the moment but I need stuff to be super convenient. I would be very grateful for the help.
I would recommend the book “Vegan for life” by Jack Norris. Very comprehensive. The book “Becoming vegan” is also pretty good.
@@veganforthem76 thank you I will check them out!
Soooo, being a skinny female on any type of diet over age 40 increases risk of hip fractures. As a fitness instructor, I have a bigger sample size than this study and can verify that is absolutely accurate.
Added after: I stopped watching your videos after the books one and the abbey sharp thing, because you really disturbed me with your casual racism, denial of the existence of the unconscious (basically), and refusal to respond to many comments on the subject. I’m watching a little again, but, not unlike going vegan, I hope to eliminate this channel entirely in the future.
Alpha destiny or Clarence Kennedy give great ways to eat vegan cleanly and be huge. I eat 🥬 smoothie, Garden of Life protein powder. I’m old af and been vegan a long time. I stay strong pretty easy. Don’t pander to this weak vegan bullshit. Hard work pays off no matter what you eat.👋
Which "buff vegans" do you watch? I'd be interested to watch some of their what I ate todays.
"I am in Clothes " It is a bit sad people have to say that
Can some give me recommendations for a good vegan multivitmain?
Swayze has suggested deva multi in past videos. It’s really cheap and I took it for a while and liked it. I’m taking something different now since I’m pregnant though but I did like it when I took it before
@@laceygreen693 thanks for the reply! :)
Thorne multi is a multi that is comprehensive for vegans. They are tested and score well through third party organizations to ensure you’re getting what they say you are, which is important since the supplement industry is not well regulated. They’re going to cost you more than your run of the mill otc multi, though. They don’t test on animals and have a seemingly good environmental and ethical foundation, so I always appreciate that.
@@myneoangel4299 thank you so much for this info :)
Your skin looks great.
Please ignore all nutrition health studies, they tell us nothing. Know your body, set yourself goals, and eat what makes you feel optimal and helps you achieve your goals.
Not statistically significant. So many meaningless stats being published or meaningful stats which should be 1 percent of the data you need to conclude anything. Sometimes you use lin reg just because the data isn’t going to let you do anything else which gives you statistically significant results. So, lack of a log reg when a log reg is expected is usually indication that the data wasn’t presenting an exponential relationship. That’s troubling if you know the universe has an exponential relationship. But they throw out all of the truly meaningless crap and publish the rest and expect you to know what is noise and what isn’t.
I went Vegan for Vegan for eight months... Never went back.
Some of these studies are pointless. In other studies, they use athletes, that comparison seem more controlled. However, I don't think it is wise to recommend calcium supplements without Vitamin K2. Specially people with history of stones.
I wish you would call Avi out on his "abortion holocaust" sentiment. I wouldn't trust him blindly, good that you verified what he was saying for your video.
Commenting to bump up the algorithm haha
Thanks for the video. What about all these meat eaters who have heart attacks because they are obese. We have an obese epidemic. It is totally off scale yet these dunderheids manage to make a study about Vegans and their bone strength.