Re: Do All Vegans Think The Same?
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I teach a large population of low income kids--age 13. They have both breakfast and lunch provided by the school each day. It is nowhere near vegan or healthy. Some of them know I'm vegan and they think it's really cool. I'll answer any of their questions about it, but I always tell them it's not something for them to worry about right now. Sorry, but not everyone can be vegan right now.
Not everyone receives 3 meals a day.
If WHO recommendations could be meet for 7 billion people next week I'd welcome the 100g meet included even while I can afford to afford/plan alternatives.
thanks for not indoctrinating the children. yes vegan diet is not for kids.
Ex Shenanigan a well-planned vegan diet is appropriate for all stages of life; this includes children.
@@annaselbdritt7916 Nope. My family member has a severe bowel issue and vegan would kill them - it nearly did.
@@annaselbdritt7916 stop repeating a paper 4 vegan members of ADA wrote. ADA also has position papers suggesting diary and animal products to kids. Also on that paper it CLEARLY tells you that you need proper supplementation in order to sustain your diet which means that vegan diet IS NOT A COMPLETE diet.
If it was a healthy diet we wouldn't see vegan babies dying from malnourishment, Belgium and Italy wouldn't sentence families to prison time who decided to feed their kids vegan diet.
That ADA paper is only a position paper and who ever tries to pass it as a scientific proof, never ever worked on any type of academic research.
Refusing to eat where animals are being eaten is such a privileged thing to say, especially if you expect others to do the same.
I agree. I have a family member who can only eat meat due to severe health conditions. I'm finding it disgusting that vegans would start to turn this into a war and eat separately or not buy groceries for them.
Lol right?
It’s blatantly silly.
Almost nobody in the world has that option.
There is only 1 completely vegan restaurant in my town of 60,000 people. And there are none in the nearby towns.
There are zero vegan grocery stores where I live either.
And nobody but me is a vegan in my family (my sister is a vegetarian so of course she eats eggs and dairy).
Where tf would I eat? 😂
Everything that came out of his mouth is privileged.
I was born and raised in Columbus, Ohio, and lived there until I was 34. I've lived in Austin, TX the past five years.
Both places are extremely vegan friendly. However, I'm just not someone that goes out to eat often and I never have been. I love cooking and it's much cheaper and most of the time I prefer my cooking to restaurants.
I guess the real privilege, to me, is eating out in general. If someone is coming to my house, they should be able to consume the vegan meal I cooked and if they feel otherwise, that's up for debate.
It's not privileged its a DXE thing. If you wouldn't eat with people feasting on kittens why would you join a table of people tearing into a turkey. Y'all are the crazy ones.
Erin: “I’m the most annoying vegan!”
Richard: “Hold my tofu”
I actually felt bad for her, people found her social media and shat on her...
Aron Gana I honestly thought she was the fake vegan. But tbh I think the situation brought out the annoying side of her. I doubt she’s that way in real life.
Aron Gana I don't feel bad for her at all. If she's going to act that way she should expect backlash
@@meikavorotsky1778 I feel the same. She didn't deserve the harassment, no one does. But when you say something like that/ express your opinion is a hostile way expect people to return that harsh attitude. If she was just nicer there would be no backlash
T McK well yeah like the girl in this video I think her name is Elizabeth? She was clear in her opinions but respectful of others. Nobody deserves harassment but Erin is the kind of person do judge you and get all aggressive and then get mad when someone does the same to her and I just have a major problem with that kind of attitude
Being the only vegan in my friend group and family, I disagree on the ' refusing to eat where animals are being eaten' statement. Veganism is a personal choice, and as long as I am not forced to eat animal products, I'm fine. I want to be an example and not that one annoying person who needs special treatment every time you want to go out. As long as there are vegan options, I'll gladly join them wherever they want to go, and worst case scenario I can bring my own food. Of course, we also go to vegan restaurants and they don't complain, so why should I? I am happy to say that some friends and family members have started consuming less animal products, as they've realised that it's not actually that hard, and that's what matters to me. Making a positive impact and spreading the message without imposing anything is the best thing you can do.
Mae totally agree 🙌🏼
Agreed. I have a diet restriction due to allergies, and my lifelong best friend and her entire family have different degrees of gluten intolerance, with her mom having Celiac. I don't force them to eat gluten containing products, and am actually very proud to cook a meal they're able to eat, even though it's not a "normal" thing for my own family. Meanwhile, they specifically treat the food they prepare me with the same courtesy. We choose our family over the food that's in the cupboard.
Same here. I always make a point of going out with friends only if there are vegan options available at the place we're eating at, but if they want to order something non-vegan they can. I've had far better discussions result from ordering my usual vegan food and people being curious about why I do so, rather than excluding them from the get-go. It's also really amazing when people start catching on and purposely seek out veggie locations for my benefit knowing this - it shows me that they care.
Agree. I am close to my family, despite the fact that they are no where near even close to vegetarian. We've had numerous conversations about it over the years, and I don't expect them to ever give up meat. I grew up deeply religious and having large family dinners on the sabbath and holidays was really important. If I were to stop eating at tables where meat eaters were... I'd have to give up those family events. I enjoy cooking vegan dishes to share, and bringing them to the table is an opportunity for omnivores to try something new. My family has gotten more and more willing to try things over the years, which is only possible because I didn't exclude myself from meals.
Yes! I know that I have influenced friends ro eat less meat because they see that I still eat delicious stuff as a vegan. I also think refusing to eat witha meat eater will just reinforce the snobby vegan stereotype.
Did Richard really imply that Elizabeth should’ve sustained herself on apples and bananas for the 3 months she lived near the artic circle? Really living up to his name with that 😬 Hope he learns
"living up to his name"
SCREAMINGGGGG! 🤣
I live near the arctic circle and I’ve been to Iceland and it’s really not any different. Really small remote villages sure, but that goes for anywhere. Iceland is very developed and Reykjavik has basically the same foods as everywhere else.
Elizabeth is an absolute queen, she put that Richard in his place!!!
She was calm, didn't talk down to him at all. Absolute legend.
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I kept getting distracted wondering who let him out of the house with that fucking shirt. Like....Honeychild, it’s ok. We would’ve figured it out by ourselves, trust this.
@@dimestorewinemom2519 Haha, that's so true, he didn't need that shirt at all.
@@UnnaturalVegan By pushing misinformation, she'd stereotyped a country (Iceland) by proclaiming it to have few to no meat-free alternatives (blatantly false) even though it has an abundance of root vegetables/fruits grown and imported
jhnsnow421 I think she was talking from her own personal experience, sounds like where she stayed was a very small remote village very far up north, and not one of the more major cities where obviously this would not be the case. Especially if she stayed there during the long winters.
I usually help my grandma cook her meals when I visit that are like, old school meat and veg. She’s over 90. I’m not going to force her to eat tofu and berate her for not living to a personal moral standard. I think there’s a fine line between some vegans who are so caught up in their own moral standard they became assholes to others.
I actually came on here with a similar example, spurred by the "nephew" hypothetical from @unnaturalvegan - my grandma died last month at 96. She was in home hospice for prior, and I volunteered to be her personal chef (while making a second dinner for myself).
I stuffed every dish with cream and cheese, made her favorite crab cakes, and even joined her request for "one last pizza together".
Her last meal was a pumpkin milkshake with about a pint of ice cream. I'm proud to have served it to her.
Cooking for the elderly (like this touching anecdote - enjoy your time with your grandma!) or infirm or eating disorders are just a few of the numerous grey areas, here. Life isn't black and white and this type of aggressive veganism does nothing to promote a cause. It only promotes a stereotype.
Sorry for the rant, the nephew example reminded at least two of us of grandmas!
@@abraadduci239 RIP your grandma. You sound like an amazing granddaughter.
Claudia: You sound like an amazing granddaughter!
You just said the keyword! "personal moral standard" wish more people could understand this
Preach girl! I'm sick and tired of the asshole vegan stereotype.
Richard really annoyed me. He is a rigid vegan and comes off as holier than others. That’s the problem with some vegans and unfortunately we get portrayed as Richards. People do not understand that you can’t force veganism on people. People do not like to be told what to do especially with meat. All you can do is help. I’ve helped my family see that every meal doesn’t have to have meat. That’s a step. We need to focus on steps because people are stubborn especially in America. America loves their meat. Think of the big picture, take more steps, be less judgement all and help.
Cierra totally agree, that’s why I like unnatural vegan’s approach, she gives options for moving step-by-step in the direction of vegan 🌱
I agree with you. He rubs me the wrong way. I don’t call myself anything. I just eat plant based. Many years back, when I started learning about eating this way, I learned about a group. So I went. At first I liked it. Then I started to notice the attitude they had. It completely turned me off. I stopped going. Now I’m taking it a step at a time.
I always notice it's the vegans who preach the most about how anyone in the world can be vegan, are the ones who consume the most vegan luxury items like the beyond meat burgers and vego chocolate bars, and they want to act like living purely off a limited number of fruits, vegetables and a couple legumes is possible, let alone convenient, healthy and sustainable for the vast majority of people. Well come on then Richard, practice what you preach and lets see how long you fare eating the restrictive diet you seem to think is all some other people deserve, otherwise they're "immoral".
Jules does vegan gains eat luxury vegan food?
@@doofy3111 I have no idea. I know his name is Richard but I wasn't referring to him.
As someone who majors in Human Services and is constantly learning about poverty, it's crazy to hear people like Richard who don't really believe in food deserts. There are plenty of places where fruits and vegetables are not within walking distance, and many people don't have cars. There really is vegan privilege, especially if we're talking about raw food, and it may not be the healthiest, most affordable, or logical option for many people in food deserts.
I live in a rural area and i don't have a car. Where there's a will there's a way.
@@limitlesslenn7612 awesome that you can make it work! But would it still be so achievable if you had a disability? Or suffered from chronic pain? Then walking or biking longer distances might be insurmountable tasks and not something that just takes a little willpower. Just be mindful that there are people who live very different lives than you do.
It is crazy isn't it? I'm not poor, I've always lived in walking distance to a grocery store, I've usually owned a car, but I've also taken public transit and I can easily imagine how much of a pain in the ass it would be if you had to take a bus or worse, more than one, just to reach a grocery store. Then carry the groceries home. Now add two young kids and Jesus god save me. That corner store with the shitty food products is looking better and better.
It's bad enough that he doesn't understand food deserts (in the urban/suburban context). It's even worse that he has so little knowledge of the world that he thinks that getting fresh fruits and vegetables to the Arctic Circle is somehow easy. Some of those communities get deliveries twice a month - and less often when the weather is bad. What's more, if his veganism is rooted in environmentalism, he should know that flying vegetables to remote communities is WAY worse for the environment than killing a moose or whale and feeding the whole community with it.
@@SarahWelstead Exactly! I'm transitioning to plant-based for environmental reasons. I don't have an ethical problem with a beast hunting. But I have an issue with living off-balance, unsustainably and unrespectfully towards nature. I don't want to eat factory-farmed or endangered animals, that means my options in a grocery store when it comes to animal products are very limited. But when I was in Greenland, no stores on the island, I ate seal, like everyone else. (Most of them are not endangered btw) And I had a problem with Greenlanders throwing seal skins and fatt into the sea. I thought it was wastefull.
im a vegan, but my medicine sometimes has dairy/lactose in it, i wish i didnt have to consume them but my health is important. i feel like i can still call myself vegan.
Of course you can! ♥️
I’m a 15 year old vegan, therefor I still live with my mom and sister whom are not vegan, unfortunately most fully vegan restaurants in my area tend to be expensive and provide more “health foods” which isn’t satisfying for my family. As nice as it would be to only eat at vegan restaurants it isn’t realistic for me. ts silly for all these L.A vegans to hold such high standards for the average person like myself. If I took that pledge I would be sitting by myself every meal. Thank you for being a NORMAL person in this community
Sarah WHabAJAk me too no one in my family is vegan, I always go to popular non-vegan restaurants but get the vegan option. I think it’s a good think as it creates demand for vegan food in non-vegan restaurants which means it’s more accessible and a meat eater might choose the vegan option so I think as long as your vegan it doesn’t matter where you eat 💗💗💗
Saaaame. I went vegan my senior year of high school in suburbia, so I lived through lots of family dinners that consisted of me ordering a random combination of side dishes. It was worth it to me to spend time with the people I love, especially since there aren’t any vegan restaurants in my hometown. I think as long as your family is exposed to your point of view it’s okay to eat with them, even if you know you’ll never change them.
Sarah WHabAJAk I went vegan when I was 15 and I cooked my own meals every day. At first we started trying out some of our local vegan restaurants. eventually both of my younger sisters went vegan a year after that. I didn’t expect anything from my family but they really supported me. And now we’re all still vegan 5 years later :D
Sarah WHabAJAk Hi I’m 17, I’ve tried to go vegan, I was vegetarian for a while but I wasn’t able to have a balanced diet or good diet because of my family. I’m gonna move out soon and go vegan. But my family is extremely against it and sometimes would force me to eat some non vegan stuff. Do you have any advice on it coming from another teenager?
Ava Noelle try cooking as many of your own meals as possible, and maybe even make some food for them to eat too, try showing them a documentary or telling them about veganism in a non- aggressive manner. My family was similar to yours at first because they just thought all vegans did was eat grass and yell all the time, but the more I informed them about the lifestyle and it’s benefits the more they were cool with it. It is way harder to go vegan as a minor in a non vegan household, impossible for some people. make sure you aren’t risking your health to go vegan rn you can always wait till you move out if need be.
Yo everytime Richard opened his mouth as it got closer to the end everyone In that crowd's face was like "yo... do you ever just... not talk or..."
Daria Albee FACTS AF.
As a non-vegan who watches you for the interesting discourse and moving towards more plant-based meals more often, that Richard guy is the vegan that turns people off veganism. Because any efforts people are doing aren’t enough, any plant-based accomplishments are just showing contrast to how they’re “failing” everywhere else according to him. Your approach, practicality, and down to earth discussions of veganism and how to make it actually an approachable and sustainable lifestyle makes it much less intimidating and all-or-nothing than it usually feels.
Also as a full time working mom with 3 kids, one of whom is on the autism spectrum and in the realm of extremely picky (and also gluten free), and I myself suffer from chronic migraines... convenience is vitally important.
I just nearly made an identical comment!
He is so off putting that I think he does his cause more harm than good.
You’re still making a difference, even if you aren’t full there yet. You’re doing your best and that’s all that matters 💜💜💜
Yep, I was going to say the same thing. I'm a vegetarian who tends to be more plant-based than not (but I do eat cheese and eggs) and I can't stand that kind of attitude.
Dude, he just tells you that you have to stop exploiting animals for no reason. Do you even know what Veganism is? It is not a diet but a lifestyle. You see other animals as equal not objects. That's why he said that he would not eat meat even if he went to Antarctica. The same way you would not eat human flesh if Antarctica also provided it and told you that there were no other "options"
Tsu' Tey you say “for no reason,” then bring in Antarctica and basic survival. They were discussing the arctic circle (other pole) for one, but that doesn’t matter. Survival is a reason, so this extreme example doesn’t track.
I mean, historically, when it comes to survival in life or death conditions, people do eat human flesh. Donner Party, anyone?
But that’s ok. I’ll give you the moral high ground on this. Vegan award goes to you. I’m glad that it’s so simple for you to maintain this lifestyle and your inflexibility in regards to other people’s lives.
I feel like we've learned a lot more about you from these questions. You wouldn't eat at Chipotle, though? My husband and I first went vegan in 2005, when we were 16 years old, and I will eat the vegan option at non-veg restaurants, without an issue. I think it's important for veg people to show up in non-veg places and request more non-animal foods!
It doesn’t make sense to me.
So you don’t shop at Walmart? Because they sell animal products?
Where are these all vegan grocery stores? 😹
From other videos it sounds like the smell of meat is unpleasant to her, and chipotle can smell quite meaty sometimes :/
“Everywhere had fruits & vegetables”... he’s just uneducated & it hurts. Also, just because you have access to those things doesn’t mean you have access to B12 supplements or other supplements.
So you would also eat human flesh if you had to? (that example with the Antarctica?
Tsu' Tey To the example of Antartica, there are so many other things to eat besides fruits/Veg & humans for that matter. And if I had to, I can’t answer that because I’m not in that position. In a state of survival and near death- no one can say for sure what they would do. The human body can go appropriately 30 days without food, but you can’t say you can go the full 30 days never having experienced extreme hunger. Then Humans consuming human flesh can lead to a number of health problems if done long term. But to answer your stupid question: I’d sooner eat the foods native to the Arctic than start immediately on eating a human.
The only thing I have in common with most vegans is that I'm a vegan as well
David Zapata word. i went vegan for environmental reasons and as a consequentialist who’s a big believer in harm reduction i look at the richards of veganism and i’m like... whew... talk about an uphill battle
😂 this is my new life motto
@@josephinechamron321 I could even say: "The only thing I have common with the vegans..." lol
@@davidzapata8930 ahh so true. i told my friends id changed it to my bio, but they didnt quite get the joke...
I went to high school with Richard.... we both come from an area where poverty and inaccessibility to certain foods is high so his comments are disheartening. He clearly doesn’t remember where he comes from.
To me it just seemed like he really cares about animals
@@charlesswedenburg9449 yeah, more than people.
@@noelleirina5628 what about not killing animals makes you love them more than people
@@charlesswedenburg9449 he said that eating in front of him is the SAME as eating a baby
@@ChakadowGabe *eating animals
I just wonder how people survive within their families if they choose to never eat at a table with meat, never go to a restaurant that serves animals. I would never see my family for a meal (so, no holidays) and I used to see them once a month. There’s no way I could get more than one member of my family to eat at a vegan restaurant. And not serve meat? Forget it
Exactly! There are NO vegan restaurants within two hours of my town so that is not realistic.
N C I was surprised to hear her say that. She lives in Portland but must only eat out with her husband. I live in Seattle and only my mom will go to a vegan resturaunt. It’s super unrealistic to expect. But I do respect people who are that strict
@@SuperFosterMom Portland is an ideal place to be vegan where there are many vegan restaurants. I think one would be quite fortunate to have non vegan friends and family who would be willing to eat vegan when out together.
Richard said he doesn't associate with people that aren't vegan so someone like that prob would just cut those people out there lives
Chillaxes i never heard him say that. What I did hear was swayze say that she only eats at vegan restuaraunts
13:14 remember when Julien accidentally bought honey Graham crackers. That's what I thought of.
I love that you did a video on this! I’m married to a meat eater lol. He respects me but obviously my house is not fully vegan. Unfortunately my husband can’t be vegetarian or vegan due to his job. He’s military and works infantry which means he’s gone a lot and has no choice but to eat whatever food they’re provided (MREs). They’re gone for long periods of time so he can’t really buy stuff ahead of time either. It’s a struggle because he was vegetarian before BUT he will of course eat vegan food that I cook or go to vegan restaurants together.
Trust me you don't want your husband to be vegan he would probably start losing muscle, trust me when I say there are good reasons the Military won't let you be a vegan/vegetarian. Because the food they give them needs to have high caloric density, for a woman who doesn't have a job that is incredibly physically demanding vegan meals can be a great way to keep your calories down. This is especially true if you have a job where you're sitting all day. Marriage is all about compromise and even if later in life when he's retired with a military pension he decides to be mostly vegan/vegetarian. You should realize he's almost certainly going to still eat animal products at least occasionally.
@@ArchaicStigma lol did you really just come here to troll? Do you understand how the body Works?
@@ArchaicStigma That's not true. 🙄 The military does not say you cannot be vegetarian or vegan. My husband retired Army and I was in the Air Force. That's not a thing.
Chris Pie All Chris Pie All lol what?? I just stated that my house is not fully vegan 🥴 and who said I don’t have a job??? I have a job and a masters degree?? And the only reason my husband can’t be vegetarian or vegan is because of his MOS. He’s deployed a lot and has no other options. And he’s not extremely muscular regardless since they are actually deprived of food quite often while in the field or over seas to make the MREs last. He gets one MRE a day. I’m speaking from what I have observed from my husband being in the marines I’m not sure about other branches. Your sexism is reeking in this comment for you to make these assumptions about me.
@@samanthabelina6330 Yeah they have Vegetarian MREs
i'm not a vegetarian or vegan but i do want to improve my diet and i appreciate your sensible, educated take on how to be realistically healthy on such a specific diet. thanks for being so well-spoken :D
Exactly what I'm trying to do.
awesome!
Exactly! Trying to do the same
Richard is so passionate yet will be ex-vegan within 5 years
lmao why?
Yeah, I’ve noticed that people with his mindset don’t usually make it very long. I’m guessing he’ll be an ex-vegan in less than 3 years.
It’s likely that he’ll turn around and become one of those people talking about how veganism is a cult when he quits too.
It’s a bummer, tbh.
Tim Shieff!!
You mean like unnatural vegan? She's not vegan, she thinks it fine eating cheese once in a while
jhnsnow421 when did she say that?
I don’t think the “if you have an exception you’re not allowed to say you’re vegan anymore” can be a realistic way to exist as a vegan... I’ve been vegan for 5 years and I do have an exception, as I think most people who are vegan do: medication is never vegan. It’s all tested on animals and often contains animal ingredients. We live in a world that is filled with animal exploitation and we have to navigate it in the best and least exploitative way we can but 100% perfection isn’t attainable... for anybody, I think. Like I know that’s usually grouped into “as far as it’s practicable” but if you think about it... it is a conscious exception. Also, strongly agree with you on reusing leather items (and wool for that matter). Might I add that imo a thrifted or re-used non-vegan clothing item does less damage to the environment than, as you pointed out, throwing these items away to buy a new “vegan” one. Especially with how bad a problem textile waste has become the way clothes are produced and just... the human exploitation behind it :( I watched a documentary on fast fashion last year, can’t really bring myself to buy from these big fashion store chains anymore (unless absolutely necessary but it hasn’t happened so far)
İ woudl agree with you on leather if you would say the same thing about human leather. Would you wear a human leather after finding out what that is or throw it away bacuse it is disgusting to wear someone's skin?
One thing I wish they addressed was pets and their diets. Scenarios like “I don’t keep pets that eat meat.”
But the herbivores make most pointless pets..
As a new watcher of this channel; here are some complicated questions I would have asked various Vegans (and others):
“Is food (and training toys) for pets an exception to your dietary beliefs?”
“Do wild life (such as pests that carry diseases and kill crops/pets) and insects deserve protection, over our needs? And at what level do humans and tame animals come first?
How would you handle all the homeless (and now unfit to survive) livestock if the world became increasingly Vegan?”
Meat eater here (not proud meat eater) I was hungry so I cooked myself a pasta and just saw your video, I looked at my plate and it’s fully 100% vegan 🌱 and I felt GREAT and proud! Not as a healthier option but the fact I’m not eating a being who had a soul and feelings.
hahahah love this! I still get that feeling every day and I've been vegan for a couple years now 🤗 I hope whatever situation you're in, you're able to eat vegan more often and enjoy that feeling over and over! ♡♡
@Meshari Why do you care?
@Meshari Hmm, this could open up an entirely different conversation.
@Meshari feelings=soul
This is a wholesome comment aw
Because I have dedicated my life to cat rescue I buy meat for my friends and family all the time, but only my feline friends and family. Everything in life is a gray area.
Same, I have 3 cats and buy them meat all the time. I do feel bad but then I... also don't? I am strongly critical of myself all the time so I just cut myself some slack with this one. I love cats and they need meat to live. Waiting for affordable lab meat for them.
Kocia Mama Yes, I think lab grown meat will be the answer for our carnivorous furry and scaly friends. It’s definitely not a utilitarian decision, but I’m not feeding my cat vegan kibble.
@@mustyfan1584 you can't feed a cat vegan anything. You'd kill them.
Don't feel bad about feeding your cats meat! They have to eat meat to live, you actually have no other choice or they will be sick or die.
Same
So Richard tells people to only eat fruits and vegetables. I wonder if he tells ex vegans who were raw foodists or fruitarian that they did it wrong.
Btw, have you seen game changers? Is it actually a good documentary? I haven't watched it yet but I don't think I watched any food or health documentaries since looking at the claims made in what the health.
Haven't watched it yet, but I will soon!
@@UnnaturalVegan Cool. I always like hearing your thoughts on films/videos/articles. You have a way of cutting through the bs! 😊 (Edit, if it's worth making a video about of course. I know the WTH review was demonetized which really sucks)
Yes! Please review Game Changers! My roommate loves (read: “is obsessed with”) it. But he’s a conspiracy nut, so I don’t know what to think.
I watched the game changers yesterday and I thought it was excellent, better than I anticipated
Yes, very good!
For me, i think if you end up eating that Snickers and then continue your vegan life, you are vegan. But if you have the intention to buy a new one in every month you're not. We can not be perfect but our intentions tell a lot about our values.
Being vegan is just a term for someone trying their best not to make harm for other living beings.
My thoughts exactly 🙌🏽
The Invisible Vegan - documentary about black culture and veganism available on UA-cam!!!
Ooo thank you for this!
Rebecca Marchand-Smith ironic that it's saying invisible vegan when they're talking about black people xD
Technorë I’m guessing they’re referencing the book Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison (not to be confused with the sci-fi book).
Yes I love that documentary, it’s also on amazon prime
I don't necessarily agree that vegans are also more compassionate to humans as well as animals. I have heard from a lot of people who are compassionate towards animals a lot of harshness and coldness towards their fellow humans.
I'm glad you're talking about this! (Honestly every person besides Elizabeth frustrated me to some extent. )
Also, about the vegan label - I will usually call myself a vegan to people I know or eat out with etc, but I occasionally eat eggs that I get from a friend who keeps a few hens in her backyard. They are not slaughtered and have plenty of space, so I see absolutely no reason not to. I feel like the avoidance of animal products is about exploitation of animals and supporting cruel industries according to the definition itself (?). Not consuming the eggs just to "stay vegan" without any ethical reasoning to support that decision does not make sense to me.
If I called myself a vegetarian people would expect me to be fine with milk and store bought eggs etc, so I still think vegan is the closest to the truth. It tends to anger people that I claim the label "out of convenience"; I know it's not very important, but I'm torn!
(Sorry about the clumsy way I express myself in this post, english is not my first language!)
Just fyi, your English is great!
Honestly, I find it hard to believe English isn't your first language! Your grammar and punctuation are better than what I usually see in comments!
Those eggs are what a lot of people would consider vegan eggs. Chickens and ducks make great pets, but you cant keep a flock of all drakes, or more than one rooster. Or even less than three birds, they don't do well socially without a flock.
@DaRK sOUL & Aviendha , thank you for your points of view!
@@lucysutton2730 thank you!
I became a vegan 6 years ago after my husband and I had been together for 13 years. He is not vegan or vegetarian. I love him and he's an important part of my life. I can't set rules about not having animal products in my house. And even though we don't co-mingle funds, we do share the cost of groceries, which means I can't get away from somewhat contributing to animal agriculture. He is respectful of my belief and bought his own groceries until we started getting delivery. Ugh! I'm conflicted. I try to respect his choice without compromise, but marriage is about compromise.
I am in the same boat, but I think of it as him also eating less animal products now, without me having to persuade him in any way. If I make dinner, it's a vegan one. :) I can't change his moral beliefs (this I've learned over years hehe) but if he was alone or with someone who ate meat, he himself would also eat less plant based. Every little thing counts. :)
when vegan indoctrination breaks marriages. stop thinking your husband has a problem just because the doesn't buy vegan propaganda. it's not only your husband, men usually don't buy ideologies sourced from empathy and ethics. it's precisely structured to be sold to women.
Ex Shenanigan but when they do, they can be some of the most unwavering. Similar to other beliefs.
This is definitely a thought that I had during this video. I’ve been vegan for a little over two years, and none of my family nor friends (including my partner) is vegan. I still have meals with them (where they eat non-vegan food), and when my partner visits me, he buys eggs and chicken and keeps them in my fridge. I allow him to use my cooking utensils and equipment to prepare them (he is respectful of my diet overall though). While I can completely understand why people would find these practices disrespectful, I’ve tried to remember that everyone is on their own journey and has their own relationship with the environment, animals, food, their bodies, etc. And so many factors dictate that relationship (health, ability levels, gender, socioeconomic status, etc). While I can express my opinions, I don’t feel it’s my place to criticize (at least outwardly 😂) what they eat (especially since I hate when they criticize my diet 🙄). I’m not in their position, and I can’t speak to where they’re at. I can only control myself. I also realize that I live in a very non-vegan world and I don’t want to ostracize myself from people I love and care about and who I know ultimately care about me. I also recognize that I wasn’t always vegan and that my journey wasn’t perfect, so I should try to reserve judgement.
Let him go hunting atleast once it's much more rewarding and he will appreciate the meat he eats much more but if he is not capable of that then shouldn't be eating meat if can not personally take the life of another living creature for food
I have been vegan for almost 3 years and bought, cooked, and watched my family eat non vegan food all while I cook and eat my vegan food along side them. I do this because my family is the #1 thing in my life even before my diet and lifestyle. Before I went vegan my family would spend HOURS upon hours cooking and talking and bonding over food, so why would I miss out on all of that because I changed my diet? I do not cook meat for them, but I will make things with milk or eggs because I don’t have an issue with that. If that makes me a bad vegan, so be it lol my family comes first and I think I will always believe that. Disclaimer: when I first went vegan they did ask me if it bothered me or if I minded making these items and I said no. So, this was my choice, not them forcing me to do it.
I thought I’d share my experience with watching Freelee:
When I was in early high school I started watching her videos, around the time I was developing a very serious eating disorder that nearly killed me a few years later. The way she put food on a pedestal of importance, as well as her sense of superiority revolving around her diet seemed fairly normal to me at the time. Watching Freelee is what got me into veganism, but I wish I had found it through anyone else, because I blindly believed her while in a very vulnerable place regarding food. She essentially taught me that if you’re underweight and vegan like her, your health is fine because you can’t get diabetes or heart disease (which is false). I truly believed I could live off of nothing but fruit and vegetables, which validated many of the lies my disorder told me. I am still vegan several years later and have completely changed my views on veganism, however the way she shames entire necessary food groups still affects me. After watching her videos frequently in the past, many of the things she’s said I still remember and can trigger destructive behavior. Freelee has at times made it very difficult for me to get her logic completely out of my head, and stay vegan for the right reasons. Shaming people for their diets does not create a happy healthy vegan world, it’s dangerously toxic to people’s relationship with food. Instead, we need to talk about veganism in rational terms, because what Freelee is doing honestly ruined my life in some ways. I am ultimately responsible for myself, but people who are in an extreme vulnerable place can easily be manipulated by her horrible logic.
Chris Kelsoe I totally relate. If you haven’t watched Emily Ewing or the Viet Vegan, they are amazingly laid back and intuitive around food and such good role models. Good luck and congrats on committing to recovery!
I'm so sorry you've had to deal with that. I went through something similar with Freelee so your words resonate very strongly. She's not nutritionally informed and has always given inaccurate, dangerous advice. She has a very toxic, cultlike presence, and I sometimes still hear her words in my head when I'm thinking of food. I wish I had never gotten sucked into that and just followed the advice of registered dietitians and the latest nutritional information from the very beginning, instead of wasting so many years striving for an unhealthy goal.
It's funny you said that, because I always say that Freelee kind of ruined my life. I didn't find veganism through her, but found her videos early on in my journey. It's taken me the better part of a decade to find a healthy relationship with food and heal from a very destructive mindset.
I wish you the best of luck in your recovery!
Richard is going to be paleo in five years...
Totally.
He gives me NickacadoAvocado vibes.
Richard is hopefully offline in five years.
He’ll be a full on carnivore lol. It’s always the whackos.
No..he seems like he actually cares about animals
@Abdullah Habib wth
"Its the same thing as if you're eating a child in front of me" Um, no I think we can ALL agree those are very different situations xD Can't stand him.
@Sammy lol ok yeah i'm sure if you were forced to eat a chicken or a human child the choice would be obvious
It is the same thing. Eating someone meat that did not want to die. See that why I am saying this channel is full of bs. She does not educate you guys well on matters. Although I do not agree with Richard on not sitting with someone because they consume meat. I know why I don't agree. But you. Nope. You don't see a baby cows flesh the same as human baby flesh. At the end they both were living beings that wanted to live. As a vegan it is productive to seat with meat eaters this way you could educate them on how bad meat is for their health. That's what I do not agree with him.
@@luka9911 A human is much more valuable than an animal. If you would take a gun to a child before a chicken, youre a psychopath please stop trying to justify your craziness
@@jessakazem1373 darling. A human IS an animal. And if the chicken was my chicken that I have known for years and someone told me I had to shoot either my chicken or a baby of a stranger OF COURSE I would shoot the baby. Because I have an emotional connection towards that chicken than the human child. And if you would answer that the life of the human is more valuable JUST because they are human then you are speciest, and that means that you are not a vegan either.
@@luka9911 "Speciest" That's a new one. All animals value their own species over others. That's nature. The fact you would kill a child over a chicken is horrifying
9:30 I think you've been vegan for so long that it's like "what do meat eaters actually do? Do they just hang out in butcher shops?"
Lol
Our local butcher sells eggs, sandwiches and vegan (shortening with herbs) alternative to lard products... When I was little they had fairytales playing if you sat still while waiting for the adult paying... that's like hanging out.
I meant The Butcher Shop. It's a restaurant in Memphis. :)
That’s not too far from the truth. I used to looove my beef jerky and such. I still stare at that aisle wistfully sometimes. Not all of us stopped missing savory meats. I still enjoy knowing that my current choices are more morally responsible.
In respect to the “buying non-vegan things for other people”, I don’t think it should be a problem. I can see why it seems disrespectful to you, but here is a different perspective: People are less likely to validate your veganism and WAAAAY less likely to even give a try to “your” food if they feel judged. Let’s say I’m going to a family event and I know I’m the only vegetarian/vegan there: if they ask me to stop and get some hotdogs and burgers to grill I’ll do it. I’ll also bring a veggie option, but I won’t impose my choice on them because I don’t want them to impose their choices on me. If my sisters want a very specific makeup pallet for Christmas, I’m getting them the one they want even if it ain’t vegan. They go through the trouble of finding vegan gifts for me. It doesn’t create a moral dilema for me because I am not the one asking for it/consuming it. I’m simply integrating their ways and mine in a respectful environment where neither of us feels obligated to adjust or judged by the choices.
At least that’s how I see it.
My mom has terrible allergies and I buy local honey for it since it introduces a small amount of pollen into her system and helps sort of inoculate her against the pollen.
I don’t think anything of it.
I buy it for her because she won’t buy it herself. It’s not that serious to me, but I get why some vegans wouldn’t want to.
I do understand your point of view but i have to disagree. I think there are situations that you can’t avoid to buy non vegan options for someone else. If i weren’t vegan, i still wouldn’t expect a muslim to bring pork to a barbecue or a jew something non koscher. I enjoy people that take the time to find options for me but i don’t expect them to do just like they shouldn’t expect for me to get something non vegan.
My husband has asked me to get milk or cheese at the grocery store for him, and I tell him no, and try to explain why. I don’t think he really gets it, that it’s an ethical choice for me as well as dietary, but everyone can deal with that situation in a way that is right for them. If someone wants to bring something vegan for me I think that’s very sweet and considerate but I don’t expect it at all.
But you are judging them and it's more how well can you hide it, I think she misunderstood the question as well. It's not like someone's standing with you and they're like hey grab me a hotdog. It's more like you say "hey I'm going to grab a veggie dog anyone want anything?" Then your SO says yea I'd like a hot dog. If your response is get it yourself unless you get veg dog, you just come off as being an asshole.
Agreed. I mean, of course there are some things where I would agree that it's disrespectful. Say if they wanted you to grab a literal sheep head from the butcher (which is a thing, just in case you live in a culture where that's unheard of), I understand why as a vegan you'd say "Yeah, um, how about no". I as a meat-eater would more likely than not refuse, because that's just plain gross. But if you refused to grab me something like a chocolate bar, because it's not vegan, I'd go so far as to argue that you are being rude, not me. In a situation where sometimes I run your errands without complaining (say in the case of a significant other you cohabitate with), I'd expect the same from you. And if you refused to do me the favour and buy stuff for me, I'd probably reciprocate. Not that I'd see a relationship like that work out long-term anyway, but I think it's entitled and honestly borderline-abusive if you expect from me to do shit for you without being willing to return the favour.
19:15
Unnatrual Vegan: FINALLY! A question to which I can give a clear steadfast answer!
Unnatrual Vegan:
says the wrong answer
I laughed so hard at that for some reason, still a superb video though :)
I fucking died during editing.
@@UnnaturalVegan You must get exhausted after all of that research and explaining. We really do appreciate it!
I buy second hand leather. Well, actually I don't know if I do because the label that says if it is leather is gone at that point. So I don't know I buy leather or not but I still rather buy second hand for the planet... Sorry, I may not be vegan but avoiding damage of consumerism to the climate change seems more important to me right now... And yes, I still call myself vegan
Same here
i do too!! i live in a super cold, wintery climate and i haven't found non-leather winter boots to compare to some of the leather ones. i get them secondhand from poshmark
Agreed. I’ll never buy new leather but I use second hand. I don’t care what Richard has to say about it either 😂
No your not vegan
jhnsnow421 thanks, Richard
If I refused to sit through meals with people eating meat then I would never eat meals with my family and friends. I’m the only vegan in my friend group and in my family, so that would really put a strain on my relationships.
Yeah for a lot of people it is unrealistic to ask them to not eat in a place that serves animal products. The vast majority of united states towns do not have vegan restaurants, including where I live. :(
If one of my friends refused to eat at the same table as me for eating animal products, all that would tell me is that they value their moral high ground over our friendship. I'm a reduceatarian and have a ton of vegan friends, but goddamn if one of them called me "gross" and "exploitative" for putting parmesan on my vegan pasta, we'd have a problem.
this. if any of my friend did this i would tell them they won’t have to see my exploitative face any longer.
Very interesting!
Really looking forward to your intuitive eating video. Abby Sharp is also working on a series on it (not out yet but in the works) so it seems to be in vogue.
I have some issues with how it's usually claimed to be the "cure" to diet culture, as I think it's a lot to ask that you know how to listen to your body when you've been overweight or obese for a long time. It's very often people recovering from restrictive eating disorders (anorexia, orthorexia etc) who talk about how great it is, but I don't think that necessarily applies to people who've had problems with eating too much/very unhealthy. And I say that as someone who was a very fat child and young adult.
Your videos are always so based on research and peer reviewed data, so I'm super excited to see what you've found.
Obesetobeast did a video about it and specifically talked about abbey. Abbey comes from knowing how to manage anorexia and hyper restrictive eating. If i ate "intuitively" the way i want. I'd eat sugary cereal, pasta, and girl scout cookies all day every day. If weight loss is my goal i have to track what i eat to see how the calories are adding up and i dont think abbey gets that.
I agree with you.
It’s also interesting that people say it can be a cure for eating disorders, because I’m sure it may be helpful for people with anorexia, but no one mentions how damaging it can be for people with eating disorders like food addiction.
Intuitive eating may not be all bad or all good, but I don’t like how so many people just treat it like some miracle cure for anything.
You can’t treat morbid obesity and food addiction with intuitive eating, imo as someone who has been very overweight throughout parts of my life.
@@catdragonrose2155 I love abbey, but I have allot of problems with how she approaches issues around obesity.
As someone who was overweight until I was about 25, and never learned about nutrition or good eating habits, I kind of resent her hand wavy approach to it. It just feels mocking. It took me over two years to lose weight on weight watchers and change my relationship with food. I didnt need to "ditch diet culture and eat intuitively" I needed to get my effing life together. My life and health have vastly improved being 25kg (50 pounds ish) lighter.
She has said several times that she views IE as something more complex than how she often refers to it, and I am genuinely looking forward to her series to see what she has to say.
But I still think it's irresponsible to just say, eat intuitively read the book, and then say no diets work. Fine, she had an eating disorder and I'm sure that was awful, but being very overweight or obese is also a serious problem which will have long term effects (even if you cant tell what they will be now) and that should be taken just as seriously.
@@MartianBlues11 I completely agree, I mention the same thing in my other reply above (your comment came though while I was writing that and just saw this after commenting.
It really winds me up when people who've had restrictive eating disorders lump it all together.
In a recent video abbey made fun of this thing that lets you "lock away cookies" by mocking the idea that a person wouldn't be able to refrain from eating sweets in the house. The item itself was kind of lame, but not being able to refrain from eating things at home is LITERALLY a problem for lots of people whonover eat.
I am much better now than I was a few years ago because I've spent time PRACTICING not eating chocolate in the fridge, not finishing dessert once I'm full etc. It's super hard when you've never learnt how to have a healthy relationship with food.
And she clearly doesn't get it, and I wish she would just think before she speaks sometimes. Considering she's a dietitian, I expect a bit more from her than your average youtuber.
@@MartianBlues11 another youtuber who talks a lot about IE is What Mia Did Next.
She runs an anorexia recovery channel. It's very good and very interesting.
But it's also very interesting that IE keeps popping up with people who have needed to learn how to allow themselves to eat because their eating disorders were about restriction.
I can definitely see how it must be freeing to sllow yourself to eat when hungry and not hate yourself.
But the support you need as a person who needs a healthier diet is different.
I take my meds every day. Guess I was never a vegan nor have ever been throughout those three years...
Kocia Mama yes!
Unfortunately anyone taking prescription drugs can't be 100% vegan due to medicine being required to be tested on animals in most countries.
@@davidthescottishvegan I think you haven't watched UV's video on how 100% vegan is an unattainable bullshit.
it’s for your health tho. i think that exception is aights? I think it’s so awesome that you still put in effort for everything else! Take care! I hope you feel alright :)
I take 30 prescribed tablets a day. Still vegan. Prescribed medications do not "count". The definition of veganism is "as far as practicable". If we have no other choice, then it's not practicable to forego medication, thus you are still a vegan.
Yes! I’m so glad you’re making a video on this. I was going to request a video because I thought about you as soon as I watched it and what your take would be.
Thanks for taking into account convenience for those of us with dependents/illnesses/disabilities/children
What is easily accessible to some or most people is not always the case for others
Like postmates or grocery pick up, people say how lazy people are but grocery pick up is a life saver for people with chronic illness
And news flash, we are mostly not specifically catered too
Anything that benefits us has to benefit mainstream too
Do you think resturaunts started having gluten free menus to help people with celiac? No. But it became trendy to be gluten free, so now people with celiac have options.
That's the one good thing that came out of the "gluten is the devil" hysteria. But generally speaking I do not appreciate spreading misinformation like many anti-gluten people tend to do.
@@HerrMisterTheo my friend with a gluten sensitivity said it's actually not good for people who can process gluten to not not have it (if that makes sense?) But she's no doctor so I'm not sure the exact reliability of this statement
But I agree with you
That is one positive thing about the ~I'm gluten free~ trend
I'm a diabetic and I am really hoping the "low carb" trend will lead towards a lw carb section in the grocery store much like the "anti gluten" (not those with celiac, but those who are anti gluten) trend did for a gluten free sections. Most people assume that diabetes is about not eating sugar but it is more involved with that- and not every diabetic can eat the same. For example, I avoid all fruit because even "low glycemic" fruits raise my blood sugar so sky high.
Also, you can buy secondhand leather from places like thrift stores. That way you won't be increasing demand. :)
If you buy that leather belt a carnivore might have to go buy a new one and then increase demand.
If (and only if) you can find that item second hand. I have really small feet. Nowhere has second hand shoes in my size unless it's kids stuff. I am not a child, I don't buy kids stuff. Nowhere makes high quality non plastic, smart vegan shoes in my size. I emphasise smart because I need shoes for work. Trainers are a no go, and I live in Yorkshire so I need something warm, so espadrilles aren't an option either. Leather does the job best.
Tom Jones
I disagree.
There is no way to tell a leather belt from a faux leather belt just by looking.
So in that case, even wearing faux leather “could” lead someone to buy real leather.
But still, I don’t think that’s the case.
Buying second hand doesn’t inspire other people to buy new, expensive, leather things.
The non-vegan person was probably going to buy the leather already.
@@MartianBlues11 Yes you can tell leather from faux leather very easily. It smells and feels different and the grain looks different when you look on the side. If unsure you can check your opinion with the burn test. I worked in a vintage store. Full grain vintage leather belts typically went for $25 for a thin plain one up to $120 for a more special one. Comparable synthetics belts used to go for $2 - $5 in the specials bin. You may be thinking of cheap bonded "leather" (thinly glued leather onto a non leather, synthetic base) but they not real leather. The thin layer on the surface is just for show and those belts have a shorter life than a 100% synthetic belt.
I will never understand why non-vegans bully vegans who are just living their life. I always get told that "I'm mexican so I shouldn't be vegan" or that I'm "ashamed" of being mexican so I try to "white-wash" myself by being vegan by many family members. I've never really considered this bullying because I think that takes away meaning from the word, but I do think its unnecessary and pretty rude honestly.
I'm guessing Richard has a long history of extreme behavior and quitting
He gives me former drug addict vibes & going vegan was how he got over it. Or past eating disorder & uses veganism for that structure. Either way it’s not good
@@breonawarren1507 to me it's the other way around. Had an eating disorder and now I can't follow any diet that feels restrictive because it makes me fall back to past patterns... vegetarianism works, but veganism is just a little too much for me.
Oh murdering billions of animals isnt extreme but not wanting to eat and use animal products is extreme
@@breonawarren1507 look I had an eating disorder and used veganism for restricting. I didn't care for animals and the environment I just cared about myself. Now I'm 3 years recovered and have just gone back to vegan a year ago because of the animals and the environment. There is a difference between a plant based DIET and a vegan lifestyle based on ethical and moral beliefs. Some people just are fed up with the hypocrisy and dumb shit people tell themselves to stay ignorant about the truth and care more about animals than their own tastebuds. Animal exploitation is violent and very frustrating. I understand Richard and the nice vegan girl because I used think like the nice vegan girl when I wasnt brutally informed about the way shit is going on and now I'm heading in a Richard kinda way because being nice girl vegan isn't going to do shit for animals and the enviroment. But I don't understand why people like u have to try project shit on to people like us. Like why is it so hard to believe that people just wanna change shit and not wanna harm animals?
@@ebthclr1624 are you having a breakdown?
YES!! I’ve been waiting for this since the episode first came out! Love hearing your analytical perspective ❤️
I just stumbled on your channel, you apologise a lot in this for complex answers and considering exceptions to your own perspective, you don't need to! That nuance is why I'm now subscribing, even though we don't agree on everything I really appreciate when someone can clearly navigate the "meat" of an issue without falling back on polar absolutes, it's rare online and refreshing to see.
Can you do a video on amber/thefairlylocalvegan?
I was going to ask the same thing. Her video was excellent and she spoke about the realities of poverty and health in such a great way.
are you referring to her video about not everyone being able to be vegan or her health struggles? if the latter,honestly her video depressed me. So many "anti-vegans" jumped at the opportunity to blame veganism and tell her what to eat when in reality,Crohn's disease can become so incredibly hard to manage and it would be out of control whatever the diet would be. So sad to see someone suffering like that.
@@anonchick4789 I was just hoping to get her take on thefairlylocalvegan in general, but if i had to prioritize i would say "why everyone can't be vegan"
I honestly thought you'd agree to the "vegans can make exceptions" prompt seeing how you've promoted being as vegan as possible even if you can't be completely vegan for whatever reason in the past. It really surprised me.
Thank you, this also confused me!
I love your little blurbs at the end. Always my favorite part of the video
I love Tyra! I've followed her on Twitter forever and I didn't know she was in that video.
Looking forward to your intuitive eating video. I'd really love if you touch on how people who are recovering from eating disorders are often targeted as good candidates for that style of eating without consideration for how our hunger cues often have been damaged by the disorder :)
This video made me realize I’m a very laid back vegan. Lol and I’ve inspired many people around me to reduce meat consumption and eat vegan a lot of the time.
When me and my boyfriend moved in together he asked me if I'd ever cook non vegan for him and I said no. He asked why and I literally looked at him and said "I actually have a reason for being vegan...theres no reason for you to eat meat other than habit" and he was like...oh shit. He pretty much accepted it though because he realized that its not just a diet... We've lived together for about a year now and he's pretty much vegan unless he is traveling because I do 100% of the cooking. He didn't even notice transitioning haha
Some people HAVE to eat meat for health reasons. You're basically condeming someone like this to death by this stance.
Tom Jones what did you miss in my comment? I was speaking of a conversation between me and my boyfriend...he has NO REASON to eat meat.
@@tomjones2157 I think you're looking too much into her comment...its her boyfriend, I'm sure she would know if he had health issues causing him to be unable to go vegan.
Tom Jones
I don’t think her boyfriend is someone who needs it though.
That seemed like the point of her comment.
@@tomjones2157 Lol, first, if anyone does legitimately *have* to eat meat, it's certainly rare, and is thus unlikely to apply to her boyfriend. Secondly, even if it does, can he not cook for himself? 'I won't cook meat' is not the same as 'I will prevent you from eating meat, in all circumstances, until you die'...
Just discovered your channel and I love your takes on things, so I've gone back to watch these old videos. Personally I myself am not Vegan/vegetarian. I've tried a few times with the guidance of an aunt who is strictly vegan and had lived that way for over 60 years... but, I hate how sick the restrictiveness makes me since I have a fine-motor skill disorder. Certain textures make me gag/vomit and this is very true of certain powders and supplements, namely the protein ones... I just do not do well, and my mental health just dropped out on me when I cut out meat completely. So for me the thing about labels really resonates with me. I call myself a "consciousness omnivore"... meaning I do eat meat or things containing dairy a few times a week, but they're circumstances where I myself haven't purchased it, and I try to donate monthly to causes that support the production of supplements and powders in hopes that one day I could just make the complete shift without feeling like complete garbage.
On the night that I do eat meat, I'll usually I'll take dinner with my parents on those nights (as we share the same household and they would have purchased the meat for themselves anyway) and I have found that to be the best personal compromise. It's not ideal by far, but I thought I'd just add to the nuance of the conversation, as I did find this video (and many others I've been watching today) as insightful... particularly some of the "What I ate today" videos and guides... because there are some recipes I'm hopeful to try once I gather the ingredients even if I do omit the powders.
So I just realized, wenever your video ends, I tap to see how much time's left, and the more there this, the more excited I get about your "after thoughts" lol. Especially when there's still a good minute or two to go.
The Liberation Pledge is a Direct Action Everywhere (DxE) tactic! You wouldn't know from the website because they're trying to make it less associated with them (in order to attract more people), but they created that website. I was there when Wayne Hsiung (DxE's founder) announced it. They've hosted a few events about it, and they all wear those forks, but otherwise it's a bit hushed that it's them. The foot binding story came from Wayne. He never cited a source for this. When asked, he just said he read it somewhere. I specifically asked him because I also couldn't find anything about this food binding story- and he couldn't answer me.
They have never been discerning about what they base their tactics on, though. They actually set up an indoctrination program modeled after the Mormon Home Teaching Program (like, directly modeled after it- they have a somewhat prominent ex-Mormon organizer), and tried to hush up anyone who said anything about where it came from (it's called "DxE Connections," if you want to look into it - basically they pair each new person up with a "Connector" who will be their mentor, and this person sets up these hang outs with their "Connectee" and they have a huge database of data tracking it all - it's pretty appalling). Anyway, if you ever hear something like "Liberation Pledge" or "Dog Meat Please" or really any phrase from a vegan that sounds like someone made it up, or anything that sounds like it will alienate you from most of society... you can be sure it's DxE.
I'm happy to give you more insight on this/point you towards some good resources if you ever do a follow up video on DxE, I know quite a lot about them - I used to be involved in DxE scene (largely in their earlier days, before they started collecting felonies) and I know a looooot about them and their leadership, the good and the bad. Anyway, I love your work!!
Thanks, I didn't know about their Mormon connections. Their "soul winning" sessions on the streets reminded me of evangelicals. The liberation pledge looks very much like the purity movement.
@@narilias6621 The "speak out" culture they've cultivated definitely looks like street preaching, totally. They don't have strong Mormon connections, to be fair, just one ex-Mormon. But IMO the problem is that no one in their leadership said, "hey guys, maybe copying Mormonism isn't what we want to do." I think you're spot on that there's something pseudo-religious about them, though-they've (inadvertently, perhaps) formed a cult. There's a lot going on to analyze with their hero worship of their main leaders. They act like they are saints for the animal rights movement. Wayne in particular has awarded himself a semi-celebrity status, claiming he has some grand career as a law professor he's given up to do this (which is really a stretch). And now there's a sense they've fostered that he and his chosen inner circle are sacrificing their own freedom, picking up countless felonies, all for the sake of the animals (when really, it's because he gets off on feeling badass, seeming self-sacrificial, and being worshipped on Facebook). And if you don't think what they're doing is effective or positive, you get told "you must had thee animals." So they guilt-trip their members into supporting these tactics, and demonize any other vegan groups in the Bay Area.
Frankly, DxE meets most, if not all, of the criteria for being a cult-it's a closed community, they foster an us vs. them mentality, they use undemocratic decision making, they repress dissent, run denunciation sessions for members who defy Wayne, reject of ANY reason someone could give to leave the "community" as being valid (they usually claim the ex-member had mental health problems), push for homogenization of their members (those identical blue shirts), they have institutionalized alienation from friends & family (the Liberation Pledge), pressure to engage in actions that sit in legal grey zones, authoritarian leadership without accountability (their organizational structure is appalling), constant sacrifices required for the leadership on the part of members, no financial disclosures for the TONS of money they claim to need, absolute vindication of the leader from ANYTHING he has done wrong (and the same is done for the rotten men he protects), etc. They also have some pretty terrible power dynamics running unchecked, older men dating much younger women, that sort of thing. And now they put a woman in the supposed leader's position- and I feel damn sorry for her, because she's being used as a scapegoat for all of this unchecked foul behavior.
They demonize, marginalize and, retaliate against anyone who disagrees with them, and they convince all of their indoctrinated members to do the same. So I strongly urge anyone involved with them to think critically about their culture, and try to back out SLOWLY. They've been accused of a lot of pretty foul things, ranging from not paying sanctuaries money they promised to pay, to tokenizing Black & Latino/a members, to protecting men who have committed sexual crimes (I personally witnessed this), to accusing a Jew member of infiltration and stealing money and (I also witnessed this). They recently posted a video of an activist of theirs nearly being strangled to death and sustaining nerve injuries because of their stunts. It's NOT a group to mess around with. There are some really great people there, and like many others, I found friendships and meaningful experiences at their events before I realized just how toxic they were beneath the surface. They're a terrible representation of what animal rights activism should look like.
@@singlesidedampersand Waw, scary !
We have DxE here in France too and their leader (William Burkhard) has a bad reputation among animalists because he's into porn photography (he usually pictures himself as the "strong man" in these photos).
On another topic, he recently made a video in a pig farm in which he appeared in a suit and tie. People laughed at it but now I understand that his outfit was modelled after Wayne's...
@@narilias6621 Ooh, he sounds like exactly the sort of guy they would would work with... vain, macho, sexist. 🤦♀️I hope you have some other vegan groups in the area, not just them!
I just keep seeing Captain America’s shield in your shirt
I looked and now I can't unsee it💀💀💀
I'm a 22 year old university student who still live at home. Ive been vegan for a little over two years, and was vegetarian a year and a half before that. Since going vegetarian back in January of 2016, I've been cooking my own food every day, but the rest of my family still eat meat. Generally, the only rule I've established with them is that i don't want to help with their food, like cut up meat or cracking an egg, but I can't get away with much more than that. I mean, they're the ones who pay for groceries so I'm just grateful they're supportive of my dietary choices. If my parents both work late one night and ask me to buy groceries, then of course I'm gonna do that. At the end of the day, it's not my money. Restaurants here (stockholm, sweden) is harder. Ive only been to one fully vegan restaurant, so to "avoid" restaurants serving meat is not an option. I'm just thankful when I can find something to eat tbh.
I saw this video and I immediately got excited for you to make a response, especially to t-shirt guy
If I wouldn’t eat with anyone who eats animals I would have pretty lonely lunch breaks 🙈. I would imagine for most people they can’t really make that choice or if they do that means much less socialising.
Sometimes you do little things that remind me you studied philosophy in university. I’m a philosophy major and I giggled when you said “if there’s an exception to the rule, I will find it.” Sounds about right 😂
Wow, this was a really cool concept (source video) and your video made some excellent points! As far as labeling goes, I don’t think it really matters what people choose to label themselves but I do think it matters if that in turn “muddies the waters” of food labeling. For example, I have always understood “plant based” to mean sans animal products. I am hearing of a number of people calling themselves “plant-based” to indicate that they eat mostly plant based and then eat non-vegan foods (dairy, eggs, fish, meat) once or a few times a week. Again, whatever they want to call themselves, fine-but, I have seen products in the store labeled “plant based” and bought them without checking the ingredients, only to realize later that it had dairy or egg in it (and then have to return it). For this reason, I think clearly defined labels have value.
Also, if I had it my way I would only ever go to vegan restaurants, but I live in a very suburban area with no vegan restaurants. I cook almost all my meals for myself & my vegan boyfriend (luckily I am a great chef 👩🏻🍳), but if I am with my non vegan family and they want to go out to eat, we will go to a restaurant that we know can accommodate me. While I don’t feel great spending money at a restaurant that profits off of animal suffering, I figure if there are enough other people like me eating at this restaurant over time, they might consider adding more vegan options on their menu to accommodate the growing demand.
I’m the exact type of person you were talking about regarding Freelee! I when I went vegan 4 years ago, I started by watching Freelee (I did not eat what she suggested because I’m a dietitian) but her content kept me in the community which helped a lot!
I disagree - I think expecting someone to conform to your beliefs when you hang out with them is disrespectful. I never expect someone to order something vegan when I go out with them - that would be so absurd. It would be like if someone who was celiac expected me to also be gluten free. I remember one friend told me her other friend was vegan and would make a big fuss if she ordered something not vegan when she was with her and it really turned her off from wanting to hang out with this person. It does not make veganism look appealing when you impose your beliefs onto others.
Refusing to eat with me won't make me become vegan, but it will make me choose my friends better.
I think they should do “vegetarians and vegans: can they see head to head”
All the vegetarians would just talk about how much they love cheese
you should put this comment on some jubilee videos
chelsie buckley i don’t really think that’s fair, being vegetarian is better than nothing and is a stepping stone for lots. I’m 14 and my parents just let me go vegetarian last week, if I would’ve asked to go vegan they wouldn’t have even considered it. they both grew up on dairy farms and I buy almond milk and nutritional yeast for my own meals but it’s not realistic to ask that much of them right away
Thanks for doing this!! I’m glad I asked in your last video for this! I really love your takes and all your videos. You would probably like a lot of the other videos Julbilee has too! Anytime you find one that seems interesting I’m down to hear what you have to say!! Btw I absolutely love your spooky shirt!
God, it's hard enough being a vegetarian here. If I refused to eat where meat is served, I'd starve to death. Some people need to get out of their bubbles and see the world more, gosh.
Jay by see the world more you mean be ok with murder? Just wondering.
@@themyrtlewoodshomestead9371 Would you starve or drink a glass of milk, I'm wondering. 🤔
World is not black and white, if you haven't experienced that, you should get out more.
Exactly! Not everyone lives in LA!!
Jay answer my question is eating animal products murder? If grow most my own food because it’s too expensive not too. So I understand my limitations and work within those parameters. And no I don’t live in LA lol. I most certainly couldn’t afford it then lol
The whole “I wont eat where meat is served” seems so pretentious to me. You can tell me your friends or family members are going to be vegan. I really don’t think it’s disrespectful to eat meat in front of someone who is vegan. If they’re not making you eat it it’s not a problem. It’s no ones responsibility to follow your diet or restrictions.
Completely agree. She said it's disrespectful for someone to invite her to a non-vegan restaurant, so all family meals out wou;d have to cater to her. That's very self-centred
I miss your videos :D when I see them in my recommended I get happy
You are so articulate! You speak with purpose. I’m learning a lot from you, you’re awesome !
Why do I know so many Richard's and honestly vegans like Richard dont make me feel like I should be more plant based.
Elizabeth convinced me tbh.
Btw I love your videos you bring facts and my friend use to watch freelee and and the Fischer girls and I'm glad you put light on the way they go about veganism and misinformation.
Because it's never a good feeling to hear someone telling you that you can do better, as oppose to someone that pats your back and gives you a medal for trying.
@@buddhanguyen1883 it's because he's a prick and so are you
@@ChakadowGabe it's funny how insecure and weak willed people are constantly seeking the opinion and approval of other vegans. Why are these people vegan in the first place? Aggressive vegans make you not want to be vegan? Do aggressive black rights activists make you not want black people to have equal rights? How moronic. If you need the approval of others to do the right thing, think about how much of a shit you give about the cause in the first place.
@@buddhanguyen1883 I love eating animals. That's the right thing to do in my opinion. Imagine being so moronic you think otherwise
@@ChakadowGabe you love eating animals, which is why you go on a vegan channel and trying to tell vegans about how much you love meat. Like i said, weak and insecure. You're trying to seek validation and attention.
I think if you are coming to be my house, you should expect me not serving meat. If you want something non vegan, thats fine, bring it with. If i come to your house and you don’t have a vegan option for me, that is totally fine too! I wouldn’t expect a muslim to serve pork (if i weren’t vegan) so knowing their diet, i know what i am expecting. I just don’t feel comfortable buying animal products either if its for me or not.
Exactly! Though, as a Jewish person, if you brought pork or shellfish into my house I would be pissed.
you are so intelligent and well spoken I love hearing your perspectives!
Hey, thanks for mentioning the bit about "picky eaters" and giving that validity. I have a request though, that if you mention it in the future, could you possibly mention ARFID (avoidant/resistrictive food intake disorder) specifically, as well? Of course not all picky eaters would be classified as having ARFID, but it's a really rarely mentioned disorder and I think people don't always realize that it can be so truly debilitating for some.
I'm shocked you haven't been bullied for being vegan. I also question the wording because bullying has a certain connotation. I avoid talking about being vegan in most circumstances. I do mention it at times, such as work functions. I don't ask for a vegan option, I just have to address questions regarding menus and the like for outings (just an example). I have received the most volatile and angry confrontation from just saying that I'm vegan. People who start debates that I have no desire to be involved in and the moment I say one thing in response I'm deemed as acting morally superior or trying to force my views on others. You are VERY lucky that you have not experienced this.
Yup! I’ve experienced that too! I’ve also had someone basically try to harass me into eating a chicken wing 🙄 literally this woman at a family party that was just someone’s friend (not even family, never even heard of her before) followed me around for pretty much the entire time trying to “convince” me to try her chicken wings 🙄🙄🙄🙄
I was gonna suggest you respond to this! I think besides richard they were all very level headed and open minded which is a refreshing way to see vegans being portrayed. but i do agree that richard just seems very passionate about animal welfare so i do hope he took things the others were saying to mind.
This is such a great video and I found it really interesting to discover that despite being vegan for over 4 years, it turns out I actually have very relaxed views on it compared to other vegans. Perhaps I could be more actively trying to change the minds of others but I find that this doesn't actually work for me unless someone wants to get into a genuinely serious and intelligent discussion.
I also think (regarding Freelee's activism) that it's a difficult one to measure. Her platform is so large that she is originally the person who drew me to veganism based on the footage she was showing of animal cruelty. Perhaps I would've seen this elsewhere eventually but I was never really drawn to any crazy diets or the pseudoscience. That could be because I did a degree in Biochemistry and have been trained to think more critically? I think if you are someone that can be drawn to these crazy diets or you are in the mindset of being very keen to lose weight, you will always find something that isn't necessarily backed up by science. Be that raw vegan, paleo, carnivore diet etc! Just to be clear though, I am not defending Freelee's videos. I just think it's interesting that she was the person who turned me onto veganism despite how much I disagree with her.
i absolutely loved elizabeth! i don’t live in iceland, but in another nordic country (finland) and it seriously is winter over here already. this morning it was -7 degrees celsius. domestically produced fruits and vegetables won’t sustain us for next six months. i had avocado and persimon for breakfast but they are expensive and are definitely not produced anywhere near finland. plus cotton won’t keep me warm. i choose to avoid oil-based fabrics for climate so my options for winter are basically leather and wool. richard is so priviledged he should have to spend some time in the arctic circle himself.
The leather thing is interesting, because I've recently come to the conclusion that I'm okay with owning leather products that have been given to me or purchased from a second-hand charity shop, as it's not contributing to the industry and it's more sustainable than buying a vegan replacement. Also completely agree on the work boots, because the ones supplied by my industry are only leather.
SIDE NOTE: YOURE SUCH A MOM SWAYZE WITH YOUR HALLOWEEN SHIRTS. AGH I LOVE IT.
On the ending of footbinding: it was the threat of being thrown into a gulag that stopped the practice, not some silly public pledge.
Thank you for your thoughts on the liberation pledge. I’ve considered it before but didn’t actually take it. I couldn’t articulate the sticking point. That being said I think that it’s a worthy thing if you want to take it on. I don’t like sitting down with people who are eating meat, specifically. It does sometimes make me uncomfortable (basically when I think about it instead of shutting it out and successfully “numb out”).
Do a video on the 5 vegans 1 meat eater! It's so funny and interesting as well!!
that "liberation pledge" is so privileged it hurts. i say that as a fairly privileged person myself, because it would be quite literally impossible for me, even as a vegetarian. no one else in my family is vegetarian/vegan, i don't have my own vehicle (as an adult with a license, mind you), and most of my friends also eat meat. i already make most of my own meals, but to have to eat alone, too? no thanks, i'd rather deal with the gross smell of meat but be surrounded by my loved ones during meal times. can't imagine this guy's vegan crew has more than a few restaurants they can go to, but like, good luck to him in his pledge, i guess
I watched this last night and was hoping you'd do a response!!!!!
I CANT WAIT for the intuitive eating video... im pumped
Not all vegans think the same way, my vegan cult leader said so 😤😤
Do those people who refuse to buy or cook non-vegan food not have pets? I buy meat/cook for my pets.
Funny you mentioned Freelee. She was one of the first vegan channels I randomly stumbled upon years ago. I thought the idea of Raw till 4 was interesting. So I decided try it (though my cooked meals weren’t always vegan/vegetarian then). And then once the season changed, I came to the conclusion that it would only make sense to eat like this during the summer months. So I just eat more fruits than usual in the summer versus other seasons (though not raw till 4)
For extremist like her, it depends on the type of person you are. If you’re a Yes Wo/Man then yeah it could be dangerous. But whenever I saw new ideas and I wanna try it, I usually think about how to adapt it to my preferences and predicaments. If I can’t then, I’d ignore it.
After experimenting on myself I find that eating mostly plant based + eggs here and there and baked goods (that may possibility have dairy/egg) works for me 🤷🏾♀️
I never understood why militant vegans like a Richard or Freelee are so judgey towards people who aren’t vegan but eat vegan 75-90% of the time. If I was into animal rights, I wouldn’t have beef (intentional pun) with someone who chooses to reduce their meat/dairy/egg intake versus someone who chooses to eat 100% meat lol. But this is all hypothetical. I really don’t care how people eat. I think it’s weird how evangelical and cult like people are about their diets nowadays: vegans, pelo, keto, carnivore, etc. It’s annoying
I wish you had been in their video! I recommend your videos to all transition ing vegans because you're such a middle ground between emotions and logic. Super refreshing perspective on every angle of veganism. Stay cool!
"I refuse to eat where animals are being eaten"
Honey your privilege is showing
If you disagree with people beating their dogs, and you have a friend who occasionally beats their dog, would you want to be around that? Probably not.
wait you HAVE to do a video about erin from that other jubilee video...I was so secondhand embarrassed on behalf of all vegans
For me, it’s really unrealistic and would be nearly impossible not to sit at a table where meat is being eaten. Between family gatherings, eating out with friends, and my work kitchen where lunch breaks overlap, it would be extremely isolating to refuse to sit or eat with meat eaters. I think sharing my meals with them is both a lot more pleasant experience and also encouraging to people who are curious about eating more plant based or going vegan. If my family and friends thought that going vegan meant they could never sit at a table with their family, friends, and coworkers, literally no one would try it.
You should say there is a part at the end of the video. I usually clicked off after patron thing and one time I realised there is a pretty funny stuff at the end :)