@@JS45678 I don’t know which one is more of an honor: For Coach Smith to shake your hand after winning a title or him keeping track of your UA-cam channel to support and comment on the videos😂. Man would I love to be a cowboy……and or a UA-camr
@@xEvolutionx-ui5bn Haha…Great post my friend. You really have me in tears laughing. Bravo for a fabulous sense of humor! 👏 (Now, on to guide my Cowboys to getting back to the top of the podium next March, it’s been too long! 🫵🤠✌️)
@@JS45678 coach, can I join your lineup. I never won a state title but I got third place at the SEPA opening after coming back from injury. I graduated in 2021, and I’ve spent this past year in my house like a mad scientist developing my wrestling skills so if one day I could wrestle in D1 College, I will go down in history. On my own, I am good. With you I can be unforgettable. I want to be a cowboy and help you in bringing OSU to the top again. Your school does hold the record for most NCAA Team Titles for a reason. I’m surprised you weren’t mentioned in this video.
@@xEvolutionx-ui5bn Haha!!! 😂😂😂 Well, in truth, I’ve coached State, NCAA, and World Medalists so I’ll see if we have another opening for you my friend! 🫵🤠✌️
Gable didn't always get the top ranked, blue chip recruits. He got a lot of tough, home-grown Iowa kids that he built into champs. Even though Iowa is known for the conditioning and grinding style, it wasn't just that. He was organized and had a system for developing wrestlers. I read once that he was a big fan of John Wooden and his coaching philosophy. For that, I'd give the nod to Gable (for now) I don't know exactly what Cael is doing, (that should be a topic of a future video, Josiah) he is definitely a private man, but he is turning out relaxed, happy, peak performance wrestlers. Some of the intense types of coaches have a lot of banged-up, burnt-out wrestlers come late March. Behind that quiet facade is a smart, creative, trustworthy leader.
To be fair, wrestling was different back in the day. There wasn’t the emphasis on training year round like there is now and many wrestlers didn’t travel the country to wrestle at the biggest tournaments like they do now. That’s why I think what Cael has done is incredible, he gets blue chip recruits but normally all of them turn out to be stars. All the other schools get the same level of recruits and are still so far behind.
Your second point is why I also choose Gable. He did it without mystery, he told you outright what the plan was and there was nothing you could do to stop it and because of that he changed the entire landscape of wrestling. I wish Cael would share his secrets and dare the wrestling community to challenge what hes built/building but obviously hes incredible and can do whatever he likes.
@@thesneakygamer4343 You're right that it was different but it was Dan Gable who changed it. He was instrumental in the growth and style of the sport as well as a dominant coach.
@@nategalvan3907 I guess Cael can’t do much to change that. All I am saying is that the recruits are on a much more level playing field coming into college these days, most of whom are already very developed. Yet, Cael seems to transform and elevate his wrestlers in a way the other coaches haven’t been able to. For example, nick lee was a big recruit but I think no one pegged him to have the amazing career he has had. On the other hand, Chad red was a top 3 recruit in high school and most people thought he would be a multiple time champ and he even beat nick lee in high school. We all have seen how nick lee has evolved as opposed to red.
@@thesneakygamer4343 True enough. I don't even remember Fargo being a big deal when I was in High School (80's). I remember being invited to a tournament in one of the Dakotas and laughing it off because I had no way of literally traveling to the tournament, but I don't even know if it was in Fargo it's been so long.
Cael gets a lot of cult-of-the-new votes, but, wow, Gable's record is incredible. Gable must still reside as king of the hill, but just as Cael took Gable's title as the goat ON the mat, so too will he surpass Gable as the greatest coach. He just needs more time.
Cael wasn't the first guy to surpass Gable on the mat. There were many wrestlers who surpassed Gable before Cael came along, including Mark Schultz, Lee Kemp, Jimmy Jackson, Nate Carr, Mark Churella, TJ Jaworsky, Carleton Haselrig, Lincoln McIlravy, etc. That's just by titles won individually, of course. World title wise we've had Sr level wrestlers who were more successful than Gable as well, though not as many.
They're asking alot of people that weren't alive when Gable was coaching....You can't gauge a coach properly when you gotta go by everybody else's word and what you heard..Cael also isn't done coaching so there's more accomplishments to be had...
Again, I love the fan interaction. I will give this to Gable. How many young wrestlers have a picture of Dan in their home for inspiration? Cael is killing it though and is a very close second.
Gable, he’s the face of wrestling for so long! And he’s only been at one school. Sanderson left his alma mater to go to the center of high school wrestling, Pa, NJ, Ohio… that in itself was a smart move he made.
I like how Sanderson prepares his team at the end of season but I only can think about possibly how much more competitive the college wrestling scene was back in the 80s and 90s. Meaning much more division I programs and talent spread at the time. Might have been relatively more difficult to cultivate a program into a dynasty compared to today.
I would disagree with the statement that wrestling was more competitive in the 80s and 90s. Yes there were more programs but the talent today is far more elite. Back then you could take an average wrestler and make them good. IMO it’s more difficult to take a great wrestler and make them super elite, which is what Cael excels at most. And this is coming from an old timer.
As a wrestler who grew up in the 90’s I favor Coach Gable. However if I’m being unbiased and base it on potential accomplishments, it’s gonna end up being Coach Cael.
tell that to Drew Hildabrlnt who didn’t even place at big 10s and underachieved at NCAA and David Taylor who was YES DOMINANT as hell but got pinned as a freshman by a dude who Cael didn’t consider good enough for that spot. Also Bo Nickal who has bee one of the most dominant wrestler in the Past couple of years, lost in the finals when he’s was undefeated up until that point too. Cael is an awesome coach but the history still being written and I LOVE PSU but for right now Gable wins. Cael gets top recruits who are attracted to him, but gable coached his “good at wrestling but not top tier” Iowa boys to become champs. Just saying.
No doubt it’s Dan gable. Not only was he a great coach and completely transformed wrestling. He is now a great ambassador to the sport. His influence will always be greater than anyone who comes after him.
Does anyone know how many Olympic champions each one coached. I know Tom Brands and David Taylor off hand. That says a lot about the level each guy brings their guys to.
Can't argue with either for what they've done for the sport and their respected institutions. If I had to pick one it would be Cael because of how quickly he turned a PSU program that he inherited which was coming off a 8-12-2 season and placing #17 at NCAAs into a 17-1-1 team that finished #1 at NCAAs in two years. His story has many chapters left and at the end of the day it will be much easier decision than it is now.
the problem with your analysis is you dont know the gable story. he came to iowa as a assistant coach and within a year started killing it soon kurdlemeier left and Gable took the reigns and immediately became the powerhouse of wrestling coaching iowa to 21 big 10 titles and 15 national championships in 21 years as head coach.
@@scottborkowski4487 I know the Gable story but you still missed my point. Dan Gable inherited an Iowa program coming off 2 consecutive NCAA National championship teams with 17-0-1 and 14-1 records. Iowa wrestling had already arrived when he took over. Now he still had to drive the bus and he did an unbelievable job doing it but when Cael came to State College - PSU was an afterthought on the wrestling landscape and within two years they were National Champs and off to the races. Both great resumes but the tipping point for me is turning a program around and being able to maintain that dominance which points back to coaching.
@@cmap4519 Thats true but Pennsylvania itself is a blue chip state and hes cael sanderson. He literally moved to the wrestling mecha of recruits. Someone should post the comparison of how many top ranked vs non top ranked guys they both raised up and made champions. I dont have or know it off hand
@@nategalvan3907 Good coaches can attract good local talent- Great coaches attract great talent wherever it is. Since Cael took over at PSU he’s had 33 Individual National Champions 8 from PA totaling 17 titles (Davis,Wright,Ruth,Megaludis,Rutherford,Nolf,Joseph,Starocci) and 10 Individual Champions outside of PA totaling 16 titles (Molinaro,Taylor,Brown,Hall,Nickal,Cassar,Lee,RBY,Dean, Brooks) Cael’s reach is pretty wide and continues to grow- in the 2021-22 lineup PSU only had two kids from PA (Starocci & Edsell) the rest were from MD, MI, MN (2), IN (2), AZ (2). Great athletes seek great coaching.
@@cmap4519 that goes back to the argument of if gable took guys more guys who weren't top teir blue chip and made them champions. Its a matter of taste at this point and for me Gable still wins out. Time will tell if Cael can make his stake undeniable
Right now if you judge: Career numbers: Gable Dominate: Cael Titles: Gable Constancy: Cael Overall: Gable for now.... It's like the MJ vs LeBron there both amazing.
Dan Gable did not get all the top blue chippers like Sanderson has. When Sanderson was at Iowa State he consistently lost to Iowa. Sanderson had the brilliant idea of going to Penn St and keeping the Pennsylvania guys in Pennsylvania. He has also attracted the top blue chippers as well. He is a great coach but Gable did it with mostly just regular State champs not the top of the top.
Here are some facts for everyone. first Cael as a head coach didnt win a championship for his first 4 years, Gable didnt win in his first year 1977. Cael then won 4 straight dropped to 6th for a year, won 4 more dropped to second the won another title. Gable won 9 consecutive from 1978 to 1986. To put into perspective, Cael won 9 titles in 15 years, Gable won 9 in 10 years. Cael has 6 more years in which he has to win titles every year to amass the same 15 titles in 21 years as head coach. Heres another happy fact, Gable started at Iowa as an assistant coach under Gary Kurdelmeier in 1972 after winning an olympic gold for which he is still the only wrestler to finish the olympics without giving up a single point. Back to assistant coaching started in 72, they wont 2 titles in 1975 and 1976 with gable as an assistant before he tool the helm. So if you factor that in he was actually instrumental in winning 17 titles. If you work the timeline thats 17 titles in 24 years as either an assistant or head coach. My analysis is the same will soon happen to Cael that happened to Gable, His wrestlers are starting to coach elsewhere and will soon be highly sought after for head coaching positions so his own coaching style he will be facing and just like with Gable the number of schools that can attract the top talent will grow and your ability to pull the brightest stars will diminish and those championships will become harder fought than they are now. If Gable hadnt retired after 24 seasons in a coaching role who knows where he would have ended up. I remember Harold Nichols of ISU coaching from wheel chair. Another fun fact here for wrestling fans: why didnt Gable wind up coaching at his alma mater ISU? He was there working out and trying to prepare for the olympics and he needed some athletic tape and they made him buy a roll. They didnt see very interested and didnt pursue heavily, he went for a interview and workout session at Iowa and asked for some tape they gave him a roll. When he mentioned that ISU wouldnt even give him a roll they gave him a case of tape to help him get thru the olympics and the rest is history.
You can't go wrong either way but I have to go Sanderson because wrestling has changed slightly...We see things now we didn't see as much in Gables day
I never thought I would see the day that anyone stood next to Gable in the sport of wrestling but...Cael will surpass Gable in stats sooner rather than later. As far as coaches both are geniuses.
I believe they are the best coaches ever in collegiate wrestling, with others hanging close. But if a college coach is just about results, Coach Gable is tops. If college coaching is about results and also preparation for later life (which I believe for many reasons), Coach Sanderson is tops I think. Note, this conclusion is not by any statistics or study, but only my thoughts on the subject. Also, I'd like to say that Sanderson is not a "newcomer", he has coached 16 years to Gable's 21, as far as I can tell.
People are forgetting about Harold Nichlos the legendary coach at Iowa State who coached Dan Gable and and Edward Gallager the legendary coach at Oklahoma State
Classic case of recency bias. Look at the records young ones- it's not close. Gable. Maybe Cael can overcome after 2-3 more decades but right now facts are facts.
How old are you and have you looked at the records between the two ? Cael is not finished writing his history yet. If you were to ask Cael, he would tell you Gable without hesitation. It's just that a lot of younger guys weren't around.
For anyone who reads this, this is long and I go into a lot of detail with my opinion There’s a few reasons I’m picking Gable. For one thing, just bottom line he is more dominant so far. Once he got to Iowa, Iowa was damn well near the top, and little to no one could beat them. And I can guarantee that to this day, no coach has pushed their athletes more than Gable, that’s why all his athletes had such good conditioning. He won 15 team national championships, and 21 big ten championships, so he won the big tens every year. Those stats aren’t to be taken lightly. People say how Cael is able to bring his athletes to a new level coming into NCAA’s, and that was on clear display in the 2021 championships as the Nittamy Lions evolved, and the Hawkeyes didn’t, some even downgraded like Michael Kemerer. But Gable made one of the biggest transformations to a team that anyone has ever made. They won 8 national championships in a row coming into the season of 1985-1986. The team got cocky, didn’t work as hard as they normally, and they were starting to get some holes. When they wrestled Iowa State who was really tough at the time, Iowa got exposed. A few weeks later the NCAA’s would happen and Gable transformed the team so much, they broke just about every record that night. The most points scored (and back when points were worth less), biggest point margin, most pins, and was the first team to get 5 individual national champions. Especially in the 80s where wrestling was more mainstream and tough, that’s amazing. But the one thing that Gable could do as a coach of which I’ve still not seen with Cael is that he could take a normal everyday wrestler who wasn’t a good athlete or the best wrestler, and turn them into a force. He did it with Brad Penrith, Brooks Simpson, Tom Ryan, and many other people. At any other school, those guys probably wouldn’t even make the varsity line up. But when they went to Iowa, not only did they wrestle, the mental toughness, conditioning and just knowledge that Gable gave them was enough for them to wrestle with anybody. Cael to this day has not done that. In fact a lot of the recruits Cael gets is highly accomplished high school wrestlers, and sometimes they don’t even make the cut. Gable at times took people who were only like a 1x state champion, or not even a state champion, and he would turn them into a D1 wrestler I know Iowa gets a bad rap from wrestling fans because they say they go to extremes with certain things, but the fans they have are crazy for a reason, and Dan Gable is most certainly one of those biggest reasons
These two may not even be the best coaches ever. Someone who saved a program, helped his kids in life, made average wrestlers into champions may be out there that is low on the radar. But if I had to choose one of these guys....Danny Boy
Thats a great feel good post, but the metric is based on winning at the highest level, not the social impact they have. With that said its Cael especially with his current trajectory.
@@djp5293 tell that to Drew Hildabrlnt who didn’t even place at big 10s and underachieved at NCAA and David Taylor who was YES DOMINANT as hell but got pinned as a freshman by a dude who Cael didn’t consider good enough for that spot. I LOVE PSU but for right now Gable wins.
@@xEvolutionx-ui5bn a true freshman getting pinned by an NCAA finals and junior world silver who was several years older and beat him the previous year while in Redshirt… talk about a self own. Also how long did Hildebrandt have to work with Cael? Oh yea 3 months.
@@djp5293 thats exactly my point, Cael is a an awesome coach but he’s not a wizard and can automatically push every wrestler he has in his room to their full potential. Development is key. There’s been questionable decisions sometimes. Like you said, Taylor was a freshmen and Jenkins was a JR world medalist and the 2008 finalist at 149 lb with more years of experience. Why not just redshirt Taylor and let him develop more and just let bubba finish his year. But like I said Cael didn’t consider him a title contender so he went with Taylor. Taylor could’ve been a 3 timer or even a 4-timer depending on how and if he faced Dake at some point. Cael is a beast but he’s still human underneath. That’s what I was trying to get at.
A lot of ways to address the question, but feel by the end of Cael's new extension it will be more clear...gotta go Gable for now, but two amazing coaches who helped change the sport for the better!
Right now, Dan. But somebody's gotta change the formula. Sanderson is so DOMINANT right now. And the young folks don't know about Dan as much. They pick whom they see.
I choose Gable. He did it without mystery, he told you outright what the plan was and there was nothing you could do to stop it and because of that he changed the entire landscape of wrestling. I wish Cael would share his secrets and dare the wrestling community to challenge what hes building/built but obviously hes incredible and can do whatever he likes.
Does he verbally have to say he has his guys peak and wrestling at their highest in March, or can we observe with our own eyes and figure out some of these secrets?
When Sanderson passes Gable and national titles it will be him without question. Until that day you have to say Dan Gable is the better coach. As a wrestler though, Dan Gable is not even close to as good as Cael Sanderson.
Gable is still the only wrestler that won olympic gold and never surrendered a single point that dates back to 1972 Cael didnt even do that. Fun fact the only loss in Dans career was to Larry Owings in his last collegiate match and only lost by 2 points he went on to destroy Owings at the olympic trials and the rest is history.
@@scottborkowski4487 exactly gable is imo the best wrestler ever and probably will always be sure he lost once but that was only once and it lit the fire for him in the olympics even though i see his cael is obviously still extremely good
Both great coaches but gotta give edge right now to Gable. Cael wasn't great at Iowa State but did much better only after he moved out east and got best picks from eastern seaboard states. So how much is it recruiting and how much of it is coaching? I know Gable took alot of kids that weren't high recrits and turned them into national champs. Not sure Cael can say the same.
I agree but just because you get a good recruit doesnt mean they will perform being able to make sure the kids live up to their potential and make them shine is where cael shines as a coach
Gable was dominant in a time that top coaches had a monopoly on recruits, training facilities, international experience. Not to say that he wasn't a great coach but more ahead of his time. Brands benefitted from Iowa's and gables reputation for a few years but the truth of his coaching abilities are finally showing. Brands is no gable as we have seen. Cael is the new gable during a time when more schools are drawing better recruits and more coaches have many more resources to be great coaches. Cael is still dominating in a more even playing field for all programs. Two different situations, but Sanderson pretty damn impressive so far! Time will tell...........but yes, cael is better
The recruits have changed as well kids patterned themselves after Gable from and early age that tough mean in your face style, high school coaches were the same way and getting into matches yelling at the ref and the wrestler on the mat was common place. That started changing the end of Gables time coaching kids didnt repsond to having their face slapped to get them pumped up today mommy would call the cops if your coach yelled at you. Cael seems to have figured out how to work well in the new confines and Tom and Terry are still living in Gables shadow.
Gable did it with less...when you get all of the top recruits and steal the top talent from other schools like Sanderson does it takes away from ur legendary status...jmo
Gable had lesser to work with yes, but also has lesser competition to work against. As for getting top recruits, there was no such thing has top recruits because high school athletes were lesser developed. Imo its tougher to get great wrestlers to the elite level than it is to get good wrestlers to be great. Gable made good wrestlers great, Cael makes great wrestlers elite.
@DJP when you are starting with great wrestlers to begin with is the job harder or easier? No doubt Cael has his boys ready to wrestle on the big stage but when those athletes are already accustomed to that atmosphere the only thing needed is fine tuning. Please don't misunderstand what I'm saying Cael is great IN MY OPINION what Gable did was more impressive
@@barryderohn4175 I still agree Gable is a greater coach as of now, Cael is still writing his story. It’s a shame it’ll always be a weird comparison because of the level of talent. But if penn state keeps this level of dominance for years to come it’ll be hard to argue against Sanderson
@@barryderohn4175 If everyone else also has great wrestlers then yes its more difficult. Lets not pretend like PSU is the only school picking up great recruits or getting top level transfers. What makes Cael standout is he takes those great recruits and makes them elite. Countless great recruits dont pan out. So yes, its more difficult when the entire landscape is now filled with great wrestlers.
Gable right now if we're looking at records..but who knows how long Cael will be coaching. He could easily surpass gable in team titles and national champions crowned
This is stupid to even bring up. Cael has many years to go to even come close to Gable. There is something called "recency bias" and its all over due to social media. Gable is a legend, Cael still has a few decades left to go.
I agree with Dan king.gable now sanderson will catch up and pass him.two of the greatest wrestlers/coaches ever.also have to mention the Brand brothers definitely not slouches when it comes to wrestling.
This was a waste of 2:15 of my life! Gable by far, no question. Let’s have another vote in 10 years from now and see. Until then stop the GOAT discussion, it’s Gable!
The better wrestler and better coach is Cale Sanderson! Dan Gagle had 45 national champions and Cael already has 53 national champions. Caels Sanderson was the better wrestler and is the better coach.
tell that to Drew Hildabrlnt who didn’t even place at big 10s and underachieved at NCAA and David Taylor who was YES DOMINANT as hell but got pinned as a freshman by a dude who Cael didn’t consider good enough for that spot. I LOVE PSU but for right now Gable wins.
Oh your stats are a bit jacked Cael only has 34 champions total but I agree by his 21st year coaching he will pass gable on that front unless his program falls apart
c'mon man, why you gotta do this. Both are amazing coaches and currently Gable gets the nod on longevity but Sanderson is likely to equal that too. They will both go down as the greatest ever in 2 different eras with different challenges. And they will stand alone until some other guy comes along and does it again.
It’s impossible to compare era’s. I see a lot of comments saying Gable did more with less. No way to prove that. The sport is completely different. There are way less teams today. That changes everything. Less teams to beat but more competition for the top kids. There are so many variables. All you can do is look at their record which gives Gable the edge for now. Ask this question in 5-7 years and my answer will be Sanderson.
I keep seeing this same comment but let me bring a little something to your attention for Cael to beat gables number of NCAA championships in the same time frame would have to win 6 more titles in the next 5 years he only has 9 and just finished his 16th year coaching Gable had 15 in 21 as a head coach but if you count in his assistant coaching time at iowa i comes out to 17 titles in 25 years, Cael has been assistant and head for 19 seasons he would need 8 titles in the next 6 years to tie that one. I have not doubt he will pass Gables number of individual champs by his 21st year, he may also beat the number of titles at an ncaa tournemt but that is a tall order to champ more that half your team. He could beat the number of times of getting 5 champs at ncaas both have 5 twice, It is highly unlikely you will see Gables 170 points at the ncaa tournament fall. Possible but thats another very tall order especially given the climate in wrestling today and the number of schools that are right there seriously vying for a title every year.
@@scottborkowski4487 those are great points but you cant compare the era’s. Completely different. I can make a case thats its harder to win now. I can also make a case it was harder to win back then. The total points in a tourney is also not comparable. Counting titles as an assistant??? That means nothing for this discussion.
@@scottborkowski4487 what i do know is when its all said no done. Sanderson will be considered the greatest. There won’t be any debate at that point. He was the better wrestler and will most certainly pass him in titles.
@@mikef9126 titles as an assistant should count because if gable hadnt started as and assistant at the same time that kurdelmeier moved up to head coach iowa would most likely not have won those titles in 75 and 76 together they built a program in 2 years and then started winning it shows the impact that each had even before being a head coach. Iowa was in the pits before gable arrived. If you read the comment i was answering to you might understand this relevance. It seems everyone just simply forgets caels time at ISU 3 years assistant and 3 years head before going to psu as if those years didnt count however gable taking over after helping build a national championship team for 4 years, losing 1 year then going on to win 9 consecutive. Thats another point that makes gable the goat as a coach. You realize there are only 3 programs in history that have put together 9 consecutive titles one was tennis, one golf and gable wrestling. Cael hasnt put together 5 straight yet. You argue that its harder to win one now than it was then, hmmm let me see I seem to remember a time that Iowa, ISU, and Northern Iowa were ranked 1.2.5 respectively and the battles between no 1 iowa and no2 ISU were epic and then there was always Oklahoma St right there knocking as well and there were great wrestlers hacking away at the tournament just like there are today. Then you cant ignore Bobby Douglas at AZ st before he went to ISU. He gave gable run for several years, of course there was the Jim Gibbons era at ISU when then were evenly matched with Iowa and came in 2nd and 3rd most years until they actually bumped Iowa off in 1987 and won the NCAA title that broke the streak and kept Gable from getting 10 straight. I would say that wrestlling was as competitive if not more between the top 3 than it is now.
@@mikef9126 number of titles is only relevant if he gets it done in 21 years and doesnt coach for 30 plus like Harold Nichols did at ISU. Its like Joe PAs record in coaching it sounds great until you realize he amassed those stats over more than 30 years coaching. Numbers wise he may pass gable but numerically he cant pass gables wins in 21 years of coaching even allowing for the covid year the very best he can do is tie.
If you get the best wrestlers, it's easier to be a great coach. Billy the fraud in New England is a great example in football. Without Brady he'd have been fired 15 years ago with zero titles. Different eras also for these coaches. Most people under 35 only know the legend of Gable.
Cael will far surpass Gable by the time he retires. Cael was a better wrestler and is a better coach, in my opinion. Plus the fact that Cael didn't accept the Medal of Freedom from a literal traitor to the country (Donald Trump) means that Cael is a better PERSON than Gable as well.
Who is the better coach: Dan Gable or Cael Sanderson?
@@JS45678 I don’t know which one is more of an honor: For Coach Smith to shake your hand after winning a title or him keeping track of your UA-cam channel to support and comment on the videos😂. Man would I love to be a cowboy……and or a UA-camr
@@xEvolutionx-ui5bn Haha…Great post my friend. You really have me in tears laughing. Bravo for a fabulous sense of humor! 👏
(Now, on to guide my Cowboys to getting back to the top of the podium next March, it’s been too long! 🫵🤠✌️)
@@JS45678 coach, can I join your lineup. I never won a state title but I got third place at the SEPA opening after coming back from injury. I graduated in 2021, and I’ve spent this past year in my house like a mad scientist developing my wrestling skills so if one day I could wrestle in D1 College, I will go down in history. On my own, I am good. With you I can be unforgettable. I want to be a cowboy and help you in bringing OSU to the top again. Your school does hold the record for most NCAA Team Titles for a reason. I’m surprised you weren’t mentioned in this video.
@@xEvolutionx-ui5bn Haha!!! 😂😂😂 Well, in truth, I’ve coached State, NCAA, and World Medalists so I’ll see if we have another opening for you my friend!
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Gable didn't always get the top ranked, blue chip recruits. He got a lot of tough, home-grown Iowa kids that he built into champs. Even though Iowa is known for the conditioning and grinding style, it wasn't just that. He was organized and had a system for developing wrestlers. I read once that he was a big fan of John Wooden and his coaching philosophy. For that, I'd give the nod to Gable (for now)
I don't know exactly what Cael is doing, (that should be a topic of a future video, Josiah) he is definitely a private man, but he is turning out relaxed, happy, peak performance wrestlers. Some of the intense types of coaches have a lot of banged-up, burnt-out wrestlers come late March. Behind that quiet facade is a smart, creative, trustworthy leader.
To be fair, wrestling was different back in the day. There wasn’t the emphasis on training year round like there is now and many wrestlers didn’t travel the country to wrestle at the biggest tournaments like they do now. That’s why I think what Cael has done is incredible, he gets blue chip recruits but normally all of them turn out to be stars. All the other schools get the same level of recruits and are still so far behind.
Your second point is why I also choose Gable. He did it without mystery, he told you outright what the plan was and there was nothing you could do to stop it and because of that he changed the entire landscape of wrestling. I wish Cael would share his secrets and dare the wrestling community to challenge what hes built/building but obviously hes incredible and can do whatever he likes.
@@thesneakygamer4343 You're right that it was different but it was Dan Gable who changed it. He was instrumental in the growth and style of the sport as well as a dominant coach.
@@nategalvan3907 I guess Cael can’t do much to change that. All I am saying is that the recruits are on a much more level playing field coming into college these days, most of whom are already very developed. Yet, Cael seems to transform and elevate his wrestlers in a way the other coaches haven’t been able to. For example, nick lee was a big recruit but I think no one pegged him to have the amazing career he has had. On the other hand, Chad red was a top 3 recruit in high school and most people thought he would be a multiple time champ and he even beat nick lee in high school. We all have seen how nick lee has evolved as opposed to red.
@@thesneakygamer4343 True enough. I don't even remember Fargo being a big deal when I was in High School (80's). I remember being invited to a tournament in one of the Dakotas and laughing it off because I had no way of literally traveling to the tournament, but I don't even know if it was in Fargo it's been so long.
Gable right now. Sanderson will be when it’s all said and done
Yes
Cael gets a lot of cult-of-the-new votes, but, wow, Gable's record is incredible. Gable must still reside as king of the hill, but just as Cael took Gable's title as the goat ON the mat, so too will he surpass Gable as the greatest coach. He just needs more time.
Cael wasn't the first guy to surpass Gable on the mat. There were many wrestlers who surpassed Gable before Cael came along, including Mark Schultz, Lee Kemp, Jimmy Jackson, Nate Carr, Mark Churella, TJ Jaworsky, Carleton Haselrig, Lincoln McIlravy, etc. That's just by titles won individually, of course. World title wise we've had Sr level wrestlers who were more successful than Gable as well, though not as many.
Thanks!
They're asking alot of people that weren't alive when Gable was coaching....You can't gauge a coach properly when you gotta go by everybody else's word and what you heard..Cael also isn't done coaching so there's more accomplishments to be had...
Again, I love the fan interaction. I will give this to Gable. How many young wrestlers have a picture of Dan in their home for inspiration? Cael is killing it though and is a very close second.
Agreed, but Cael has many years left - 2 legends!!!
Gable, he’s the face of wrestling for so long! And he’s only been at one school. Sanderson left his alma mater to go to the center of high school wrestling, Pa, NJ, Ohio… that in itself was a smart move he made.
Gable !!! Cael is not finished writing his history, but there is absolutely no way anyone with wrestling knowledge could choose Cael at this stage.
I like how Sanderson prepares his team at the end of season but I only can think about possibly how much more competitive the college wrestling scene was back in the 80s and 90s. Meaning much more division I programs and talent spread at the time. Might have been relatively more difficult to cultivate a program into a dynasty compared to today.
I would disagree with the statement that wrestling was more competitive in the 80s and 90s. Yes there were more programs but the talent today is far more elite. Back then you could take an average wrestler and make them good. IMO it’s more difficult to take a great wrestler and make them super elite, which is what Cael excels at most. And this is coming from an old timer.
They both came from iowa state to
As a wrestler who grew up in the 90’s I favor Coach Gable. However if I’m being unbiased and base it on potential accomplishments, it’s gonna end up being Coach Cael.
tell that to Drew Hildabrlnt who didn’t even place at big 10s and underachieved at NCAA and David Taylor who was YES DOMINANT as hell but got pinned as a freshman by a dude who Cael didn’t consider good enough for that spot. Also Bo Nickal who has bee one of the most dominant wrestler in the Past couple of years, lost in the finals when he’s was undefeated up until that point too. Cael is an awesome coach but the history still being written and I LOVE PSU but for right now Gable wins. Cael gets top recruits who are attracted to him, but gable coached his “good at wrestling but not top tier” Iowa boys to become champs. Just saying.
LOL when is wrestling based on potential accomplishments?
No doubt it’s Dan gable. Not only was he a great coach and completely transformed wrestling. He is now a great ambassador to the sport. His influence will always be greater than anyone who comes after him.
Gable won 15 NCAA titles in 21 years along with 21 Big Ten championships (won it every year). He was 355-25-5. Gable, not even close.
They are both amazing and cael is still only 44 gable right now but i think the way PSU is going cael when its all said and done
Does anyone know how many Olympic champions each one coached. I know Tom Brands and David Taylor off hand. That says a lot about the level each guy brings their guys to.
Sanderson has varner also
Thank you for this! I am loving the comment section. 😆
Can't argue with either for what they've done for the sport and their respected institutions. If I had to pick one it would be Cael because of how quickly he turned a PSU program that he inherited which was coming off a 8-12-2 season and placing #17 at NCAAs into a 17-1-1 team that finished #1 at NCAAs in two years. His story has many chapters left and at the end of the day it will be much easier decision than it is now.
the problem with your analysis is you dont know the gable story. he came to iowa as a assistant coach and within a year started killing it soon kurdlemeier left and Gable took the reigns and immediately became the powerhouse of wrestling coaching iowa to 21 big 10 titles and 15 national championships in 21 years as head coach.
@@scottborkowski4487 I know the Gable story but you still missed my point. Dan Gable inherited an Iowa program coming off 2 consecutive NCAA National championship teams with 17-0-1 and 14-1 records. Iowa wrestling had already arrived when he took over. Now he still had to drive the bus and he did an unbelievable job doing it but when Cael came to State College - PSU was an afterthought on the wrestling landscape and within two years they were National Champs and off to the races. Both great resumes but the tipping point for me is turning a program around and being able to maintain that dominance which points back to coaching.
@@cmap4519 Thats true but Pennsylvania itself is a blue chip state and hes cael sanderson. He literally moved to the wrestling mecha of recruits. Someone should post the comparison of how many top ranked vs non top ranked guys they both raised up and made champions. I dont have or know it off hand
@@nategalvan3907 Good coaches can attract good local talent- Great coaches attract great talent wherever it is. Since Cael took over at PSU he’s had 33 Individual National Champions 8 from PA totaling 17 titles (Davis,Wright,Ruth,Megaludis,Rutherford,Nolf,Joseph,Starocci) and 10 Individual Champions outside of PA totaling 16 titles (Molinaro,Taylor,Brown,Hall,Nickal,Cassar,Lee,RBY,Dean, Brooks) Cael’s reach is pretty wide and continues to grow- in the 2021-22 lineup PSU only had two kids from PA (Starocci & Edsell) the rest were from MD, MI, MN (2), IN (2), AZ (2). Great athletes seek great coaching.
@@cmap4519 that goes back to the argument of if gable took guys more guys who weren't top teir blue chip and made them champions. Its a matter of taste at this point and for me Gable still wins out. Time will tell if Cael can make his stake undeniable
Right now if you judge:
Career numbers: Gable
Dominate: Cael
Titles: Gable
Constancy: Cael
Overall: Gable for now....
It's like the MJ vs LeBron there both amazing.
Dan Gable was coached by Harold Nichols who was coached by Cliff Keen who was coached by Edward Gallagher at Oklahoma State
Dan Gable did not get all the top blue chippers like Sanderson has. When Sanderson was at Iowa State he consistently lost to Iowa. Sanderson had the brilliant idea of going to Penn St and keeping the Pennsylvania guys in Pennsylvania. He has also attracted the top blue chippers as well. He is a great coach but Gable did it with mostly just regular State champs not the top of the top.
Here are some facts for everyone. first Cael as a head coach didnt win a championship for his first 4 years, Gable didnt win in his first year 1977. Cael then won 4 straight dropped to 6th for a year, won 4 more dropped to second the won another title. Gable won 9 consecutive from 1978 to 1986. To put into perspective, Cael won 9 titles in 15 years, Gable won 9 in 10 years. Cael has 6 more years in which he has to win titles every year to amass the same 15 titles in 21 years as head coach. Heres another happy fact, Gable started at Iowa as an assistant coach under Gary Kurdelmeier in 1972 after winning an olympic gold for which he is still the only wrestler to finish the olympics without giving up a single point. Back to assistant coaching started in 72, they wont 2 titles in 1975 and 1976 with gable as an assistant before he tool the helm. So if you factor that in he was actually instrumental in winning 17 titles. If you work the timeline thats 17 titles in 24 years as either an assistant or head coach. My analysis is the same will soon happen to Cael that happened to Gable, His wrestlers are starting to coach elsewhere and will soon be highly sought after for head coaching positions so his own coaching style he will be facing and just like with Gable the number of schools that can attract the top talent will grow and your ability to pull the brightest stars will diminish and those championships will become harder fought than they are now. If Gable hadnt retired after 24 seasons in a coaching role who knows where he would have ended up. I remember Harold Nichols of ISU coaching from wheel chair. Another fun fact here for wrestling fans: why didnt Gable wind up coaching at his alma mater ISU? He was there working out and trying to prepare for the olympics and he needed some athletic tape and they made him buy a roll. They didnt see very interested and didnt pursue heavily, he went for a interview and workout session at Iowa and asked for some tape they gave him a roll. When he mentioned that ISU wouldnt even give him a roll they gave him a case of tape to help him get thru the olympics and the rest is history.
that story was great thank you
You can't go wrong either way but I have to go Sanderson because wrestling has changed slightly...We see things now we didn't see as much in Gables day
The same thing was said about him when was coaching. I don’t think that’s a valid reason.
@@huflungpu4456 Me neither. The WORLD changes with time! Everything does. And it isnt.
What about Jonh Smith and Dan Gable?
Great question! Ask coaches?
I never thought I would see the day that anyone stood next to Gable in the sport of wrestling but...Cael will surpass Gable in stats sooner rather than later. As far as coaches both are geniuses.
Gable is the 🐐for as long as he holds the most national team titles. When Cael catches up, let’s talk.
I agree cael is not done coaching but i think he will be when he is done
I believe they are the best coaches ever in collegiate wrestling, with others hanging close. But if a college coach is just about results, Coach Gable is tops. If college coaching is about results and also preparation for later life (which I believe for many reasons), Coach Sanderson is tops I think. Note, this conclusion is not by any statistics or study, but only my thoughts on the subject. Also, I'd like to say that Sanderson is not a "newcomer", he has coached 16 years to Gable's 21, as far as I can tell.
People are forgetting about Harold Nichlos the legendary coach at Iowa State who coached Dan Gable and and Edward Gallager the legendary coach at Oklahoma State
Classic case of recency bias. Look at the records young ones- it's not close. Gable. Maybe Cael can overcome after 2-3 more decades but right now facts are facts.
Cael Sanderson by far!!! Dan Gable is a legend he is a good coach too
How old are you and have you looked at the records between the two ? Cael is not finished writing his history yet. If you were to ask Cael, he would tell you Gable without hesitation. It's just that a lot of younger guys weren't around.
For anyone who reads this, this is long and I go into a lot of detail with my opinion
There’s a few reasons I’m picking Gable. For one thing, just bottom line he is more dominant so far. Once he got to Iowa, Iowa was damn well near the top, and little to no one could beat them. And I can guarantee that to this day, no coach has pushed their athletes more than Gable, that’s why all his athletes had such good conditioning. He won 15 team national championships, and 21 big ten championships, so he won the big tens every year. Those stats aren’t to be taken lightly.
People say how Cael is able to bring his athletes to a new level coming into NCAA’s, and that was on clear display in the 2021 championships as the Nittamy Lions evolved, and the Hawkeyes didn’t, some even downgraded like Michael Kemerer. But Gable made one of the biggest transformations to a team that anyone has ever made. They won 8 national championships in a row coming into the season of 1985-1986. The team got cocky, didn’t work as hard as they normally, and they were starting to get some holes. When they wrestled Iowa State who was really tough at the time, Iowa got exposed. A few weeks later the NCAA’s would happen and Gable transformed the team so much, they broke just about every record that night. The most points scored (and back when points were worth less), biggest point margin, most pins, and was the first team to get 5 individual national champions. Especially in the 80s where wrestling was more mainstream and tough, that’s amazing.
But the one thing that Gable could do as a coach of which I’ve still not seen with Cael is that he could take a normal everyday wrestler who wasn’t a good athlete or the best wrestler, and turn them into a force. He did it with Brad Penrith, Brooks Simpson, Tom Ryan, and many other people. At any other school, those guys probably wouldn’t even make the varsity line up. But when they went to Iowa, not only did they wrestle, the mental toughness, conditioning and just knowledge that Gable gave them was enough for them to wrestle with anybody. Cael to this day has not done that. In fact a lot of the recruits Cael gets is highly accomplished high school wrestlers, and sometimes they don’t even make the cut. Gable at times took people who were only like a 1x state champion, or not even a state champion, and he would turn them into a D1 wrestler
I know Iowa gets a bad rap from wrestling fans because they say they go to extremes with certain things, but the fans they have are crazy for a reason, and Dan Gable is most certainly one of those biggest reasons
These two may not even be the best coaches ever. Someone who saved a program, helped his kids in life, made average wrestlers into champions may be out there that is low on the radar. But if I had to choose one of these guys....Danny Boy
Thats a great feel good post, but the metric is based on winning at the highest level, not the social impact they have. With that said its Cael especially with his current trajectory.
@@djp5293 Your metric is different than mine. I can respect that.
@@djp5293 tell that to Drew Hildabrlnt who didn’t even place at big 10s and underachieved at NCAA and David Taylor who was YES DOMINANT as hell but got pinned as a freshman by a dude who Cael didn’t consider good enough for that spot. I LOVE PSU but for right now Gable wins.
@@xEvolutionx-ui5bn a true freshman getting pinned by an NCAA finals and junior world silver who was several years older and beat him the previous year while in Redshirt… talk about a self own. Also how long did Hildebrandt have to work with Cael? Oh yea 3 months.
@@djp5293 thats exactly my point, Cael is a an awesome coach but he’s not a wizard and can automatically push every wrestler he has in his room to their full potential. Development is key. There’s been questionable decisions sometimes. Like you said, Taylor was a freshmen and Jenkins was a JR world medalist and the 2008 finalist at 149 lb with more years of experience. Why not just redshirt Taylor and let him develop more and just let bubba finish his year. But like I said Cael didn’t consider him a title contender so he went with Taylor. Taylor could’ve been a 3 timer or even a 4-timer depending on how and if he faced Dake at some point. Cael is a beast but he’s still human underneath. That’s what I was trying to get at.
Dan Gable
It’s still early but Cael seems to be doing in coaching what he did when he wrestled, slightly better than Gable.
Sanderson
A lot of ways to address the question, but feel by the end of Cael's new extension it will be more clear...gotta go Gable for now, but two amazing coaches who helped change the sport for the better!
Give Gable the talent that Sanderson has and he would win just as often. Gotta give Sanderson credit though. He's a great coach and recruiter!!!
Recruiting is part of coaching
Right now, Dan. But somebody's gotta change the formula. Sanderson is so DOMINANT right now. And the young folks don't know about Dan as much. They pick whom they see.
I choose Gable. He did it without mystery, he told you outright what the plan was and there was nothing you could do to stop it and because of that he changed the entire landscape of wrestling. I wish Cael would share his secrets and dare the wrestling community to challenge what hes building/built but obviously hes incredible and can do whatever he likes.
Does he verbally have to say he has his guys peak and wrestling at their highest in March, or can we observe with our own eyes and figure out some of these secrets?
@@nickdurst7189 is this a serious question? What are his methods can you observe those? Not unless youre in the room.
When Sanderson passes Gable and national titles it will be him without question. Until that day you have to say Dan Gable is the better coach. As a wrestler though, Dan Gable is not even close to as good as Cael Sanderson.
dan gable lost one match his whole higher lvl career he never even gave a a point in the olympics
That's funny. Gable lost one match ever and won the Olympics. Would you like to try again!!
Gable is still the only wrestler that won olympic gold and never surrendered a single point that dates back to 1972 Cael didnt even do that. Fun fact the only loss in Dans career was to Larry Owings in his last collegiate match and only lost by 2 points he went on to destroy Owings at the olympic trials and the rest is history.
@@scottborkowski4487 exactly gable is imo the best wrestler ever and probably will always be sure he lost once but that was only once and it lit the fire for him in the olympics even though i see his cael is obviously still extremely good
Both great coaches but gotta give edge right now to Gable. Cael wasn't great at Iowa State but did much better only after he moved out east and got best picks from eastern seaboard states. So how much is it recruiting and how much of it is coaching? I know Gable took alot of kids that weren't high recrits and turned them into national champs. Not sure Cael can say the same.
I agree but just because you get a good recruit doesnt mean they will perform being able to make sure the kids live up to their potential and make them shine is where cael shines as a coach
Gable was dominant in a time that top coaches had a monopoly on recruits, training facilities, international experience. Not to say that he wasn't a great coach but more ahead of his time. Brands benefitted from Iowa's and gables reputation for a few years but the truth of his coaching abilities are finally showing. Brands is no gable as we have seen. Cael is the new gable during a time when more schools are drawing better recruits and more coaches have many more resources to be great coaches. Cael is still dominating in a more even playing field for all programs. Two different situations, but Sanderson pretty damn impressive so far! Time will tell...........but yes, cael is better
The recruits have changed as well kids patterned themselves after Gable from and early age that tough mean in your face style, high school coaches were the same way and getting into matches yelling at the ref and the wrestler on the mat was common place. That started changing the end of Gables time coaching kids didnt repsond to having their face slapped to get them pumped up today mommy would call the cops if your coach yelled at you. Cael seems to have figured out how to work well in the new confines and Tom and Terry are still living in Gables shadow.
Gable did it with less...when you get all of the top recruits and steal the top talent from other schools like Sanderson does it takes away from ur legendary status...jmo
Guys come to PSU for Sanderson, idk if you can use his recruits and transfers against him in an argument
Gable had lesser to work with yes, but also has lesser competition to work against. As for getting top recruits, there was no such thing has top recruits because high school athletes were lesser developed. Imo its tougher to get great wrestlers to the elite level than it is to get good wrestlers to be great. Gable made good wrestlers great, Cael makes great wrestlers elite.
@DJP when you are starting with great wrestlers to begin with is the job harder or easier? No doubt Cael has his boys ready to wrestle on the big stage but when those athletes are already accustomed to that atmosphere the only thing needed is fine tuning. Please don't misunderstand what I'm saying Cael is great IN MY OPINION what Gable did was more impressive
@@barryderohn4175 I still agree Gable is a greater coach as of now, Cael is still writing his story. It’s a shame it’ll always be a weird comparison because of the level of talent. But if penn state keeps this level of dominance for years to come it’ll be hard to argue against Sanderson
@@barryderohn4175 If everyone else also has great wrestlers then yes its more difficult. Lets not pretend like PSU is the only school picking up great recruits or getting top level transfers. What makes Cael standout is he takes those great recruits and makes them elite. Countless great recruits dont pan out. So yes, its more difficult when the entire landscape is now filled with great wrestlers.
Gables dynasty was a lot more successful with accolades so far but cael is closing that gap quickly
I love Sanderson I'm a Penn State alumni and fan but I gotta go with Gable.
It's impossible to say Sanderson right now. 10 more years? Could be interesting
Isn't the fact that you are asking the question at this point enough said?
Cael still has a decade or more to go if he chooses.
They are both good.
The recruiting argument should be void. Recruit rankings and recruiting in general from gables era to Carl's era are totally incomparable.
Most of the Sanderson fans don't know or weren't even born when Gable wrestled and coached. Sanderson has a long long way to go.
Gable right now if we're looking at records..but who knows how long Cael will be coaching. He could easily surpass gable in team titles and national champions crowned
What about john smith???
This is stupid to even bring up. Cael has many years to go to even come close to Gable. There is something called "recency bias" and its all over due to social media. Gable is a legend, Cael still has a few decades left to go.
Cael Sanderson 🔥🔥🔥
I agree with Dan king.gable now sanderson will catch up and pass him.two of the greatest wrestlers/coaches ever.also have to mention the Brand brothers definitely not slouches when it comes to wrestling.
This was a waste of 2:15 of my life! Gable by far, no question. Let’s have another vote in 10 years from now and see. Until then stop the GOAT discussion, it’s Gable!
The better wrestler and better coach is Cale Sanderson! Dan Gagle had 45 national champions and Cael already has 53 national champions. Caels Sanderson was the better wrestler and is the better coach.
tell that to Drew Hildabrlnt who didn’t even place at big 10s and underachieved at NCAA and David Taylor who was YES DOMINANT as hell but got pinned as a freshman by a dude who Cael didn’t consider good enough for that spot. I LOVE PSU but for right now Gable wins.
Oh your stats are a bit jacked Cael only has 34 champions total but I agree by his 21st year coaching he will pass gable on that front unless his program falls apart
Cael Sanderson gets my vote.
Think Cael goes down as having the most succesful story in the sport both as a wrestler and coach?
Clearly Gable but if Cael keeps the same rate into the next decade then he could take it
It's cael. This era is harder to coach in across ALL sports. The transfer portal. Social media. Etc.
c'mon man, why you gotta do this. Both are amazing coaches and currently Gable gets the nod on longevity but Sanderson is likely to equal that too. They will both go down as the greatest ever in 2 different eras with different challenges. And they will stand alone until some other guy comes along and does it again.
It’s impossible to compare era’s. I see a lot of comments saying Gable did more with less. No way to prove that. The sport is completely different. There are way less teams today. That changes everything. Less teams to beat but more competition for the top kids. There are so many variables. All you can do is look at their record which gives Gable the edge for now. Ask this question in 5-7 years and my answer will be Sanderson.
I keep seeing this same comment but let me bring a little something to your attention for Cael to beat gables number of NCAA championships in the same time frame would have to win 6 more titles in the next 5 years he only has 9 and just finished his 16th year coaching Gable had 15 in 21 as a head coach but if you count in his assistant coaching time at iowa i comes out to 17 titles in 25 years, Cael has been assistant and head for 19 seasons he would need 8 titles in the next 6 years to tie that one. I have not doubt he will pass Gables number of individual champs by his 21st year, he may also beat the number of titles at an ncaa tournemt but that is a tall order to champ more that half your team. He could beat the number of times of getting 5 champs at ncaas both have 5 twice, It is highly unlikely you will see Gables 170 points at the ncaa tournament fall. Possible but thats another very tall order especially given the climate in wrestling today and the number of schools that are right there seriously vying for a title every year.
@@scottborkowski4487 those are great points but you cant compare the era’s. Completely different. I can make a case thats its harder to win now. I can also make a case it was harder to win back then. The total points in a tourney is also not comparable. Counting titles as an assistant??? That means nothing for this discussion.
@@scottborkowski4487 what i do know is when its all said no done. Sanderson will be considered the greatest. There won’t be any debate at that point. He was the better wrestler and will most certainly pass him in titles.
@@mikef9126 titles as an assistant should count because if gable hadnt started as and assistant at the same time that kurdelmeier moved up to head coach iowa would most likely not have won those titles in 75 and 76 together they built a program in 2 years and then started winning it shows the impact that each had even before being a head coach. Iowa was in the pits before gable arrived. If you read the comment i was answering to you might understand this relevance. It seems everyone just simply forgets caels time at ISU 3 years assistant and 3 years head before going to psu as if those years didnt count however gable taking over after helping build a national championship team for 4 years, losing 1 year then going on to win 9 consecutive. Thats another point that makes gable the goat as a coach. You realize there are only 3 programs in history that have put together 9 consecutive titles one was tennis, one golf and gable wrestling. Cael hasnt put together 5 straight yet. You argue that its harder to win one now than it was then, hmmm let me see I seem to remember a time that Iowa, ISU, and Northern Iowa were ranked 1.2.5 respectively and the battles between no 1 iowa and no2 ISU were epic and then there was always Oklahoma St right there knocking as well and there were great wrestlers hacking away at the tournament just like there are today. Then you cant ignore Bobby Douglas at AZ st before he went to ISU. He gave gable run for several years, of course there was the Jim Gibbons era at ISU when then were evenly matched with Iowa and came in 2nd and 3rd most years until they actually bumped Iowa off in 1987 and won the NCAA title that broke the streak and kept Gable from getting 10 straight. I would say that wrestlling was as competitive if not more between the top 3 than it is now.
@@mikef9126 number of titles is only relevant if he gets it done in 21 years and doesnt coach for 30 plus like Harold Nichols did at ISU. Its like Joe PAs record in coaching it sounds great until you realize he amassed those stats over more than 30 years coaching. Numbers wise he may pass gable but numerically he cant pass gables wins in 21 years of coaching even allowing for the covid year the very best he can do is tie.
Dan right now.
Gable hands down
Seriously, Bro? Cael. Modern Wrestling is so much more competitive. How many has Sanderson won, in way less years?
Cael Sanderson 👍
Not even close- Cael!
Sanderson, no question. Never beaten....
Never beaten in college, but lost in world team tryouts, in world competitions too. Gable only had the one loss and dominated after that.
Gable is the greatest, Sanderson is the latest.
Gable
Healthier happier and more technical savvy wrestlers produced by Sanderson. I think Sandersons top wrestlers could beat gables top
Cael
If you get the best wrestlers, it's easier to be a great coach. Billy the fraud in New England is a great example in football. Without Brady he'd have been fired 15 years ago with zero titles.
Different eras also for these coaches. Most people under 35 only know the legend of Gable.
Recall the last SB 13-3..who coached the team and the defense that day..yes bill the fraud...idiots should be banned
@@johnhaversack1634 What about the Super Bowl the year before that?
IDK. I'm just a fan but > :32 that average ugly guy pulled down that gorgeous college girl then he's gotta be smart so > Cael
Michael Jordan is the Dan Gable of basketball.
There's your answer.
If Cael was the “top wrestling coach of all time” he wouldn’t have had to leave a major wrestling power to win it all.
Way to early to talk about this in my opinion
LOL kids today. Somebody look up Going For X already.
Also whose team holds the most ever points scored in the NCAAs. Here's a hint, it was in 1997.
Come on…Cael
Cael will far surpass Gable by the time he retires. Cael was a better wrestler and is a better coach, in my opinion. Plus the fact that Cael didn't accept the Medal of Freedom from a literal traitor to the country (Donald Trump) means that Cael is a better PERSON than Gable as well.
Ed Gallagher.
The competition levels are much higher now-
Cael wins it
This is your worst video ever man...
I'm from Michigan...
There no way its even close yet...
Cael hasn't done it long enough...
Recency Bias...
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