Make your Thrustmaster FCS Throttle as smooth as butter and gain a detent.
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2020
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Ordered the polymer bearings and just installed them. Thanks to your video, all went well.
Thrustmaster should be ashamed by using the system they do. I only have 2 hours on the TM16000m and the throttle was more like a ratchet wrench than a smooth rail. Thanks to you and Etsy, ALL GOOD! !! !!!
Received and installed mine last night. I was impressed by the build quality. Throttle is super smooth now, love it!
People are saying the same on the reddit threads
www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/jd7zdr/fix_your_fcs_throttle_from_sticking_making_it/g9rbbme/?context=3
www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsSquadrons/comments/jd7zo9/fix_your_fcs_throttle_from_sticking_making_it/g9plbr8/?context=3
Thanks so much for this video and your recommendation of the metal ball bearings. It’s made my FCS smooth as a robot baby’s behind.
Perfect product and perfect manual. One hint - after assemblying, you can still fine tune the tension there is a hole in the bottom piece allowing accessinng the tension screw with the thtottle in the full throttle position. In case of unavailability of the metal bearing at the maker of this mod, you can still acquire them easilly on Amazon (I bouth then on the Polish Allegro).
The one lubricant that everybody recommends for this throttle is Nyogel 767A, which is a damping grease: the sort of stuff in high-end telescopes and camera lenses. It is plastic safe and makes the throttle way smoother. It's useful on sticks as well, but quite pricey for a lubricant.
Expensive but it's incredible. The thottle is now smooth. I used it on the stick too. Highly recommended for all T16000 Hotas owners.
I find silicon grease with PTFE also quite suitable.
I use those polymer linear bearings in my 3d printer. They're self-lubricating so as they wear a bit the dust binds to the rail. They're quiet, and will smooth after a bit of use. Don't oil the rail with them. The metal will roll easier, but I like a bit of stick. Also the grease will gum up, so you might get some issues.
This is exactly what I’ve been looking for. Thanks!
fantastic upgrade! thank you for sharing
Well done review. I am going to order this, now.
Not having access to a printer at the time I got the throttle, I just cut some small channels into the baseplate and glued in some small brass rods.
I had to sand out the plastic a touch so only the rods were contacting the steel, but it's smooth as hell and really quiet.
Took a few hours with a dremel and a vice. I also modified the swing arm so that runs on a small bearing, but I think I'll upgrade that with brass fittings at some point.
just a heads up. every so often as a typical PM for the linear shafts. Its a good idea to remove them and wipe them off with IPA. Then lubricate them with a turbine oil. Its important to use this type of oil when working with linear shafts and bearings. Respectfully, Mike
Sold. Let dude know your gettting views! Ill be ordering one soon.
My right ear appreciates this video
It’s going to be in much higher stock in approx. 3 days. Keep checking back! I can keep making more!!
Hey man, I noticed the link in the description here isn't working for me. Could it be because i'm in europe? Really interested in this product
@@jessemetternich It could be because they're sold out. However here is a link directly to the guy's esty page. www.etsy.com/shop/CoreHawk3D
@@TFCSHQ Thanks a ton!
I just ordered one! Thank you sir - this seems like a way better alternative to the Nyogel I was about to slobber all over my currently shipping throttle!!
Have you ever used the 767A gel along with your device btw? Is it recommended or would it be too sluggish?
@@amirite Thanks for your order Steve! I have not tried that. I wonder if it would make the metal bearings silent... I don't know much about it honestly. If it's damping I wonder if it would deteriorate the seals on the fronts and backs of the metal bearings. The polymer ones recommend no lubricants so I imagine that lubricating them might accelerate their degradation (which is indefinitely slow as far as I know). That being said, it might work really well and if it does degrade stuff fast, you can just buy new bearings on amazon and swap em out! I don't know if I'll be trying that on mine because I'm after a solution you can install and forget about forever and I imagine those would attract more dirt than I'd like personally. Let's be honest though, it's not like I've gone in and measured dirt accumulation rates or anything so who knows, you'd probably be fine! haha sorry for the novel...
nice video, keep up the good work
Silicone/Teflon brake grease on the original sliders and rods works great and you don’t even need to disassemble the unit
We need to blow this channel up!
I just loosened the friction screw and boom, it's smooth!
both the polymer and metal those roller bearings are used in industrial 3d printers either will be smooth and last a long time in a throttle. The polymer are considered and upgrade to the metal ones on 3D printers.
would you clean everything from the grease before you install the bearings? I did some other tuning with Nyogel which improved the original throttle a lot so everything is a bit sticky in there. I don't wanna ruin the bearings though by not removing the grease.
I mean, that looks really cool and all, but I just greased and untight the regulation screw from mine and it's super smooth now.
Dry graphite lubricant and a polishing sponge. It will take quite a bit of patience, but if you polish the plastic piece that the bars ride on, as best you can, and use a *little* graphite powder it will be butter smooth for many years. But, eventually it will get sticky again. This mod fixes that; polymer bearings with a touch of graphite, PURE SILK.
I did same, grease for airsoft gearbox and loose the screw
Im late to this but its still relevant you can buy silicone gun oil i use it on my FCS throttle it runs as if it was on ice.
I cant choose between the polymer or metal option. I heard the metal is smoother but louder than the polymer, how big is that issue or how mutch smoother is one over the other?
does the screw at the bottom of the throttle do anything when loosening it?
Lubrication is KEY!
Do you grease the runners after you have fitted these?
Hi everybody! Nice solution for this problem. I hope Stefan could send me to Argentina. I have an other issue and is with the "tdc" stick. Some of you were solve this? Thanks in advance!!
Very simple and very low cost fix, put a dab of dialectric grease on your finger, rub it on each rails and move the throtled back and forth. Fixed. Thrustmaster was very very cheap on the lubrication. Of course the linear bearing will permanently solve and improve the throttle but it costs more and requires disasembly of the unit while just greasing the thing properly takes 30 seconds.
Which parts do I need for the throttle? I went to the sellers side, but there was several choices...?
The seller has updated the product several times since this video. However the choices are color (doesn't matter what you pick) and if you want bushings or bearings. (or both). My experience with the bearings was they were maybe a little smoother than the bushings, way less resistance (which isn't necessarily a good thing) but also WAY louder. For most people the bushings is probably what you want. However it's not that much more expensive to just get both. That's what I would suggest so you can try both out.
How where you able to replicate the Form of the original base? And the magnets are too small im trying to make a detent also and that small doent give much pull
How does the Dampening feel if you screw it tighter with the metal bearings?
"replicate the Form of the original base"
What exactly do you mean by this?
"the magnets are too small"
I think they're a bit weak myself. It does work however for what I used it for though. But you could always add your own. Some people have hot glued a larger more powerful magnet to the bottom of the base and sled.
"Dampening"
Personally I really don't like any friction however I just tightened it all the way and honestly cant really tell a big difference. It doesn't seem to stick either.
Mine has 2 months. It works smooth but won't hit zero.
The target software UI shows it moving virtually. Anything below 50% slide won't stay at the intended percentage it just goes up and down and goes crazy. Tried everything but dissasembly.
Any ideas?
Bit late, but compressed air and/or isopropyl alcohol to clean the sensor?
grease should damp the so0und from the ball bearings
Using Teflon washers will be another option.
Hm is it me or does it look like the center detent magic is a little too strong? It kind of looks like it wont allow you to leave the stick at any precis spot just before or after the indent and it will just pull the throttle to it?
Its actually a little weak imo. Without the throttle attached yea it looks strong but I might actually add a second magnet so it's stronger.
@@TFCSHQ Oh good to know! btw what is it about the metal ones you like better? Are they a little smoother than the polymers ones? Just that the polmers have a little more friction?
Less friction. They're both smooth. However the metal ones have much less friction. Its not strong enough to pull the throttle. It does pull the base by itself though. Its not as noticeable as I'd like personally.
i just loosened the bolt and put engine grease all over the rods, been buttery smooth since
I will say, I'm not at all paid by this guy, but using their bushings/bearings is going to be WAY better than just trying to grease the rails. You might get a few days where it feels better, but you'll never get to as smooth as it is with proper bushings/bearings. Everyone in our org who owns this throttle has bought this and its a universal opinion. Its a design flaw on TM's side. Not saying everyone SHOULD be getting this, if you can figure it out yourself, great. But a bottle of lub is like $20, almost the same price of just buying this. It's legit a great redesign. And regardless you're going to want to redesign the slide system not just pouring lube on it and spending tons of time keeping it clean.
The reason the throttle sticks in places isn't because its plastic on metal. Without a bearing any scratches or changes to the surface of the rod will change the friction. Changes in friction change the speed when you push on the throttle. This ruins consistency with small adjustments. When your pushing down your increasing the friction. This makes the small changes less pronounced and it feels smoother
I have a question about the magnet detent. The magnets are placed to sucking from each other(N-S, not N-N/S-S), and fixed only by tape/glue, right? Won't you worry if the tape/glue aged in future, the two magnets will be loosen and finally leave the plastic and sticking with each other? Sorry for my English, hope I express my question correctly
This happened to an org mate of mine who just used the double sided foam tape. However I ended up using super glue for mine, roughing both the magnet and the throttle, and they're still attached. You could also do the same with epoxy
@@TFCSHQ thanks for the reply. So with super glue it'll be sticking there forever. If in future I want to remove the DIY detent, it'll damage the inner surface of the plastic case... 🤔
In my experience with superglue it probably won't damage much. The Epoxy will. That said, you could also use other glues, like white school glue or hot glue and you for sure won't damage anything and it'll be easier to remove.
@@TFCSHQ got it, thanks for the info and happy flying :-)
Shoe Goo will hold them down solid.
Thanks for pointing out that the part at 11:11 is reinstalled wrong. That protruding thingy is also meant to hold the wires down... I guess you are not getting to 100% anymore that way, unless it recalibrates automatically.
I believe I address I installed that wrong at 15:38
Sold 😂
WD-40 Specialist White Lithium Grease 10oz from Walmart works great and it's cheap.
IIRC that also eats away at plastic.
contains petroleum distillates
Fwiw, those aren't bearings. They're bushings. And the "rubber thingeys" are called O rings. Good video.
I fixed it just with a srcewdriver
I have a spare one with metal bearings.
Sadly it's out of stock :( BTW you should put grease on those bearings to reduce noise and wear.
Guy has said on reddit (iirc) new stock coming in about 3 days.
@@TFCSHQ awesome thanks for the update
or you add some cellotape on top of the metal sliders
can you give us a rundown of all your gear, if possible?
All my joysticks?
I own a Virpil Alpha, Delta, WarBRD grip, a WarBRD gimbal and a MT-50 throttle. A Thrustmaster FCS HOTAS (With pedals). A X65-f, X55, and several Saitek sticks from 2003-2005ish era as wel as the Saitek pedals. Microsoft Sidewinder. A logitech 3d eXtreme joystick. A CH Fighterstick and lastly a Defender Cobra M5. Might be missing something, I've had a lot of equipment. I also own a track IR which I use the wireless DeLan clip for.
If you check my channel you can see my full current setup in the "The Ultimate Star Citizen HOTAS Setup And Binds" video.
thank you, the video "The Ultimate Star Citizen HOTAS Setup And Binds" that set up is insane that is what i was wondering about.
o i am left handed any suggestions?
@@omarmald If this is your first stick, and its for SC, probably go with dual T16000m sticks. To my knowledge there are no throttles for left handers. If this is for some other game, and you want a throttle and will use the stick with your right hand. The Thrustmaster FCS hotas is a very good starting point.
actually graphite powder works really well with plastic to metal. But its still not ideal.
You clearly also have a lot of dust and hairs in your throttle. That will most probably cause problems even with the new upgrade?
Non yet. The dirt etc didn't help, but you can google, all FCS throttles get this problem, even when clean.
brand new out of the box, it was sticky as hell. I returned it the very next day.
Or you could just line the plastic with UHMW or PTFE thread sealant tape... would save you some money.... and be just as effective.... just saying...
ua-cam.com/video/uXqHUsm0cho/v-deo.html - installation guide. Thank you very much for the walkthrough and review!
I uhhhhh i just used a dab of wd-40 on the slides and it works perfectly fine.
I think all the dirt was causing you them problems, like all I saw was hair wrapped around everywhere
For sure wasn't helping but because of the design of the throttle its really easy to get shit trapped in there. Throttle still smooth now however. And not just mine, but our org pretty much all got one of these for their FCS throttle and everyone reports back positively. About 5 or 6 of us use/used that throttle with that upgrade.
nice tutorial. but please, please remove that bunch of (cat?) hairs from the rails before putting them into the new bearings.
i have the T.Flight ruder pedals which have similar rails. if you put on a very thin layer of silicone grease/oil, they are much smoother.
Thanks for the video. IMO Thrustmaster is crap. Even the Warthog. On the 16000 not only do you have this problem but the joystick on the front is crap as well as the left-right flipper on the front. I just ordered a Virpil throttle and stick. I am not putting another cent into this cheap plastic crap. And there support is crap. If your device is not under warranty they won't do crap for you. I tried to order a couple of parts and they told me, sorry, don't sell parts. If it isn't under warranty you are screwed. Thrustmaster is dead to me. Total crap.
Thrustmaster is trash, I bought their stuff, it's bad. Cheap materials and components, high price.
The designer hotas setups cost more than a pc! 😂