Superior Drummer 3 vs Addictive Drums 2 (2020)
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
- A comparison between Superior Drums 3 and Addictive Drums 3 plugged into my Roland TD1KPX2 Electric Drum kit. Which is the best drum vst? #roland #addictivedrums #superiordrummer
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1:59 Addictive Drums
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Thank you for the demo!!! Super helpful. I loved the super dry crisp sound of the SD kit and think it could work well in a studio mix where you want to isolate instruments. AD sounded better on its own though. The sound of the SD kit can be made more wet with effects in the DAW.
You're welcome, and yes you're right, SD is designed and intended to be fully mixed and mastered by professionals as a dry signal. However AD is designed to be good 'out the box' for just throwing on a track without much mixing needed.
@@KeroDean So, EZDrummer is like Addictive Drums in that way? Which do you prefer out of those two? I guess the fact that EZ can be later upgraded to SD and still use EZ soundkits is a pretty important consideration, too … ?
@@kierenmoore3236 I haven't tried ezdrummer as much, but I believe it is supposed to be closer to AD in that its a good easy 'out of the box' sound yeah
Awesome stuff! I recently got a TD1KPX2 - what map preset are you using on AD2? There's no TD1 option in the map menu.
I'm using the Roland TD-11 preset that I modified to turn the 2nd tom into a ride. I found that preset works best for the hihats and everything
Addictive Drums FTW! I find myself using AD2 more than EZDrummer 2 that I have. Now I use EZDrummer 2 for Percussion Sounds, since it has a Latin Percussion EZX and it sounds amazing. You can be very creative with the possibilities of AD2.
Sounds great!
I couldn't find the FTW AdPack, but the Jazz Brush, Stick and the Percussion AdPacks meet my needs.
You can find lots of well recordied boring jazz music. Music is structure or bending the structure.
What is it that you prefer about AD2 over EZ2. I wonder if EZ3 would change that balance for you … ?
Can you go through an in depth tutorial on how you did these covers?
I have a TD-15 and AD2 that I'd like to do covers with, but there's not a good tutorial on what to do.
I can connect the TD-15 to AD2 standalone, but the sounds are "distant" unlike when I just use the module itself. Also, I get a lot of double triggers in AD2 but not with the module. If you could go in depth on your process, that'd be amazing
I did do an updated 'how to' for superior here ua-cam.com/video/q7-R_oHZtgU/v-deo.html but from the sounds of it you probably want to adjust the volume of the VST up, I notice SD3 is pretty quiet (i think its default is -12db) so turning it up does help. With regard to double triggers I think thats to do with crosstalk, I get it as well, I'm not sure if theres a setting for it in SD3 Itself but your module automatically corrects that, so I'll have to look into SD3 a bit more to see if theres a crosstalk setting.
AD2 sounds like the real raw deal to me. I own Superior 3 and EZ 3 too. I prefer AD2 though. Old school rough sounding drums, i like that.
The reason AD2 sounds old school is because it's heavily saturated. SD3 sounds much more like acoustic drums in the room when you just sit down to play them.
I played both, currently on sd3 and I feel it better, on the hats for sure!
SD3 is really great in detail although I find it takes a bit more tweaking to get it playing best. AD is best out the box
@@KeroDean Personally I disagree regarding the tweaking, considering how many presets come with Superior Drummer 3
When I bought the program I was pretty blown away by how many usable presets it comes with that are accessible only by the click of a button. The fact that there are so many different professionally mixed sounds and kits right in the box makes it indeed superior for me personally. AD2 is amazing and definitely great, but out of the box SD3 is equally as good
@@Andoroid I absolutely agree, SD is superior in many ways and is better depending on your needs (and hard drive space lol). I find that AD works best for me and is light on the hard drive but SD is amazing if you have a good enough computer, large HD and all the kits available to you and are ready to mix the volumes. For me SD, specially the kick were really low volume so required a bit of tweaking.
Is superior drummer something that can be used with Logic Pro X ,,,,, and can it be triggered with any electronic drum set like a Roland VAD 503 or TD27 ?
Yes its just a VST plugin, you can use in any DAW. And it can be triggered with any midi input from any ekit that plugs in
Hey Great drumming!
in terms of responsiveness which felt more accurate and natural to you?
Thanks, both of these are actually pretty similar in terms of accuracy and naturalness. I lean towards AD because it sounds the best 'out of the box' without needing to tweak the sound much. SD3 is probably the most realistic and the largest library that has the most articulate sounds, but you have to install a large hard drive of samples to get it, and then really play with the EQ and levels to get it sounding how you want. So I think SD3 for the final mix but AD for just playing on the go the least setup time
Please share TD 1 drum map for Addictive Drums
I own the ad2. Having trouble to find the good preset. Which one do you think the best natural acoustics drum kit
The Fairfax kits are really nice, you can adjust the fx settings to get a more clean acoustic sound too
@@KeroDean thanks man. I ended up buying superior drummer 3 with new york expansion.
Always having trouble getting good sound and tweaking from ad2 lol. Sd3 mixer is just much more easier
Great video 🥰
Thank you so much teerak 😻
Hello, i was going to ask how are you syncing your camera with your recording DAW. Sorry i m a bit new in this things :)
I have a screen recorder recording my daw and audio then I match it up with my video recording in post
@@KeroDean are you using ableton to record it?
@@Walres It depends how you set it up, in my case I'm using loopback audio into the screen recorder to record the sounds from ableton in real time. But you can just record the drums midi and use a screen recorder and sync them later without the need for a loopback recorder
@@KeroDean Oh ok thanks
What is your drum set up? Looking into buying a V drum set soon.
This is a Roland TD1KPX2 plugged into my macbook pro with an instrument (usb-b type) cable
Check out the tourtech 22-m if you have time there's lot of videos here in youtube
clad i watch this, i have AD and was thinking about getting SD, but after this video imo the AD sound much better.
AD sounds a lot better out of the box yeah
@Remage i've been getting some pretty good results with little tweaking, and i'm not a tweaker. i' might give it a shot down the road Thanks.
It's not about comparing the 2 default kits, Superior Drummer 3 has a lot more to play with, especially the mixer and edit functions are second to none. But I use both as well, and I mostly use AD2 for quick ideas or a special groove or sound that SD3 doesn't have.
I'm giving up on SD3. Hit variations just do not sound right. Either it's too machinegun or too "round robin" sounding. Just cannot dial in the natural middle ground.
Addictive Drums 100%!
SD3 by a huge margin is my favorite. AD2 is a super great piece of software too. They do different things and have the perks and drawbacks. AD2 takes like 15gb, and SD3 with all I have for it is like 150gb, so that’s something to consider.
What you’re getting for that extra space though is infinitely more control sonically and infinitely better sounding articulations + the ability to control bleed for every channel and where it’s going, multiple room mics, ambience mics, overheads, and the in/outs for every channel + higher quality source material.
That being said AD is great for getting an “out of the box” sound with lots of processing applied to already processed source material giving them a more forward and “mix ready” sound which is why I think a lot of people here prefer the sound in this demo (tho imo you picked a terrible SD3 preset and if you mixed it yourself I apologize 😂). AD2 is quick and easy the only issue I have are the very limited hat articulation and the overall mushy sound as pretty much every preset is being smashed to make them sound big, but in turn they sound pretty flabby a lot of the time so I recommend turn the compression off on each channel which is kinda annoying af. the compressor in general in AD2 sounds like poop.
Overall I love both software they’re both great products AD2 is light and easy and SD3 is insanely high quality and flexible for those who want to dive in and get basically the best drum sounds possible with software if you know what you’re doing.
We live in good times to have both of these high quality accessible products
Absolutely agree, and just to clarify, and for fairness, I chose the first preset in SD3 and deliberately did not edit it or teak it to show what it sounds like 'out of the box'. Although as you say, its not really designed as an out of the box but I just wanted to be a fair and 'untouched' kind of comparison. Because if you start taking any of them you can make them sound better than they do 'out of the box'
Addictive Drums!
PS can you program rhythms and such for these? Instead of playing it yourself. Doing it on a computer.
Yes you can trigger both with pre-existing midi, they both include pre played midi loops too. And yes you can draw in midi notes for them to play as well
The thing some people need to consider is if you're doing manual drum programming, most of the stuff you hear is people not putting any effort into shaping the dynamics, velocity, or timing of it. So when you hear people program this crazy fast metal stuff with blast beats and 300 bpm double bass, it's probably going to favor something like SD3, that's the target market of their product let's be honest. Most metal drums are compressed and EQ'd in a way that makes it sound very even and hard hitting. I've used both AD and SD and since I can't play drums in real life that well, dynamic drum programming sounds MUCH better and realistic with Addictive drums. I'm not even using the most recent version.
I think you're certainly deaf if AD sounds more natural to you. Maybe it's time to find passion in painting?
i don't think there is much to debate about which one sounds better, both has tons of good drum sound, but you will choose SD 3 if you like to get better experience of audio processing, and more ability to customize of your drumset. also there is so many groove to tweaks available on SD 3. With AD 2 you can also have possibility to control the sound but more limited. I like to use AD 2 because in much smaller files you get so many good things just right there, if you are a songwriter that can play drum or prefer human to play drum for you, i think AD 2 is for you. But if you can't play drum but wanna to have drum on your mix right away, SD 3 groove will help you more. And if you're a producer, you might also like the ability to control audio using SD 3.
I love the Fairfax kit.
Yeah its a really nice versatile kit
Which is better? I dont know
Whichever you prefer the sound of.
If Superior came down like $150 I would buy it. But they won’t haha. AD2 offers regular sales of 3 kits for $100 or less sometimes. There isn’t enough difference sound wise to justify paying Toontrack that much
I kind of hate that SD patch
Where in the world is the kick in SD3?
For some reason by default its turned down low
I consider to buy AD. The sound has more “umpf” to me. Yes, that out of the box dusty sound i prefer.
anybody knows where i can find custom presets for metal for AD2? Thanx
If only AD2 had more articulations for the high-hat I wouldn't be so tempted to drop $400+ on SD3. That's the only thing I find limiting with AD2 even though it still has enough articulations to get by just fine. Maybe it's just my ADD making me think I want a few more HH articulations. ;)
If you are good with modifying sliders and knobs like I am you can make this sound every bit as good as Overpriced & Bloated Superior Drummer, and save so much on a 1 TB NVME SSD... Im just saying man... Venture more
@@JohnnyMooreJohnnyBobs3DDesignz Thanks. After a lot of looking into this, I think for the most part AD2 suits my needs more. Yes, I've had to do a LOT of tweaking but I'm actually 95% where I want to be on my "generic studio kit" that I use for most stuff. Even the high hat works almost perfectly with enough tweaking. Just that it always seems the grass is greener on the other side, when likely I'd be losing more than what I'm gaining.
@@CharveL88 Trust me dude SD3 is not better just different, A lot will have a different opinion and that's okay but remember they are fanboys, or they have not "totally" discovered all of what AD2 has to offer in its functionality. I know both Software products inside out, have all the libraries, AD2 is just as good and lighter on the SSD 11 GB's vs. 100's of GB's of bloated copies... And lighter on the pocket book somewhat, but not much. I have ways around that one though
- (AD2 ... Yes, it's not as good -as- is "right out of the box" "Nor virtually as pretty as SD3") -
But... but.... you have to tweak settings, TONY THE FUCKME TIGER TWEAKIN' A LOT OF TWEAKIN' Dude...and it takes months if not longer to learn the ins and outs of sliders and knobs complete functionality
(Drinking game for every time I type "functionality")
...and that is working with it every day, mind you) Also keep in mind that there are multiple Special effects settings… 2 knobs lower right, by master volume in AD2 . It took a long time for me to understand how effective those 2 actually are. And I'm lazy... it took me sooooooooooooooooooooooooo loooooooooooooooooooooooooong!
(Attack Of The Clones)
You even have that with AD2 actually, copies among copies, it could be whittled down more and just as functional.
Thing with both SD3 & AD2, I can get them so close to sounding like my actual Acoustic set.
Another tip I can give you for the "ultra fine tuning" Use your scroll wheel on your mouse 1 click at a time or to your discretion. I do a click then pound on shit 'rinse & repeat! ;)
Addictive Drums XLN for the win! Superior Drummer sounded ok but definitely sounded more "keyboard drums" than acoustic drums. AD makes each drum hit sound like an individual performance and not just retriggering the same sample.
Agreed! I feel that AD is more fun and expressive to play too.
I think Addictive is more flexible and sounds better for me of course
I definitely find myself playing AD much more often. It loads faster and sounds great out of the box. It also plays really well triggered with my edrums
Bro that default kit does not do justice to superior
Why are you not playing the same grooves? Kind of hard to compare them if you are playing different grooves.
that's a good point, I tried (in other videos) to do that and in the next videos I will, thanks
AD2 sounds less flat...
Yes I believe SD3 is designed to be tweaked and mastered to your desired sound by a professional mixer. But AD sounds better out of the box
AD2 sounds much better to me...
I agree, its much more fun to play out of the box too
I'm using AD2, it just sounds better to me. You can remove a lot of the effects for a dry sound anyway.
BUT! One thing I'm not crazy about - even though it's a small thing - is that there aren't bell sounds for crash cymbals. Not a game changer but it would be nice. Also, I'm pretty sure there's a limit on how many kitpieces you can have on AD2 compared to SD3 although I'm not sure about that.
Superior snare is great.I feel it’s overly priced though.
Yeah the price is hard to swallow but if you're willing to tweak and mix the sounds I think its worth it
Superior definitely more realistic.
I beg to differ
Finally someone who realizes what mic'd up unprocessed drums sound like.
"ad2 sounds better"
Well yeah, in this, because the superior samples are raw while the ad2 are a bit more premixed
Glad someone here finally gets it though
More realistic as in no room mics and unbalanced mix. Cause that's what it sounds like. These comparisons are what the plug-ins sound like defaulted and AD2 wins hands down in that respect. Glad I made the right decision
Definitely SD3. The truth is this is not in any way an accurate comparison. Out-of-the-box comparisons don’t equal the best sounding recordings. SD3 is in another league entirely. Despite what this out-of-the-box sound makes you think. Having said that, AD2 is still pretty darn great. I just find the comparison completely misleading.
@@evenstephen2000 absolutely. If you want to start with samples that sound like an actual drummer and you process in any way you like, go SD3. If you want a drum sound that has someone else’s “signature” on it, go AD.
Sd3 best sound quality
XLN audio is owned by Max Martin. They discontinued support of the original Addictive Drums in 2014, forcing users who had already paid for it to upgrade to AD2 if they updated their OS past high Sierra. I just went through a battle with their marketing manager over this through email after updating to Mojave and losing 400$ in software / adpaks and them refusing to budge. That a man who has a net worth of 260 million dollars would allow his company to nickel and dime musicians over an update is outrageous. No integrity.
I didn't know that, that's very poor customer service thanks for letting us know.
Wait, what? Why should they continue to support every version of Mac OS? Sorry, but your complaint is ridiculous.
You should make a video about it.
Myself and others have had the same experience with Toontrack regarding the limited upgrade window from SD2 to SD3 (there's a thread on the Toontrack user's forum). Yet they still keep the upgrade path open for EZDrummer users and drop those of us who invested in SD2. I switched to AD2 and have never looked back. I guess all software companies have their own upgrade policies and will win and loose their customer base. I'm just glad AD2 was a viable alternative after using SD2 and I eagerly await an AD3 upgrade....
2:07 :3
Sem dúvida o addictive drum é melhor
sim esse é o meu favorito
Addictive Drums sounds so pure. It's as if you're in the same room of the recorded drums. Superior Drums still sounds too "EQ'd."
AD for live & for raw pure sound. SD for the "heavy EQ album" approach.
Bottom line: AD for the win!
Well said! I find that playing AD is a lot more fun straight out of the box. But as you said SD takes a lot of eq but does offer a lot more flexibility if you need it
hasta las patas el demo bro ... simplicidad es mejor..
This guy needs to learn a new drum fill.