I have always been playing AWDS instead if QWER so for me flash is E and the rest Q. The friend who showed me the game back in 2012 told me thats how the good players play and now i cant swap back😂😂 (Basically the guy only played shooters and was used to it) But its honestly pretty good i have items on the side of my mouse works for me. Like kind of im low Dia.
I think he's pressed because of him being so passionate about this game and then having to endure watching a so called 'educational' video give terrible advice
Isn’t Nemesis always like this? Edit: nothing wrong with people liking him, nor him being like this. Most of the clips I see of him feel pretty similar to this
@@bariskaraulus6084 I've literally used WASD since I started playing and it's literally just better, most of Nemesis' complaints are "It's worse" "it's so dumb" "you can't ward or use items" when that's literally shown at the start of the video. Plus he keep saying "these are such bad examples" but completely ignores the Nidalee example in river where he can see where the enemy is moving while positioning in the dragon pit. Basically the advantage is you can see more and mauver the camera better while still being able to move your mouse for either offensive or defensive plays.
I think Nemesis is not giving it fair consideration. It makes sense to want to remove camera movement from being cursor controlled since u cant move camera and click at same time. Several pro adcs straight up just play full lock screen bc of this. Even with 1 million dpi the half second u lose panning screen with mouse could get u killed if it breaks ur spacing / kiting/ aiming. This strategy means u can keep ur mouse closer to ur character and if u dont like the low dpi u can do the same thing with high dpi. Its just the high dpi isnt needed if u aren't moving ur cursor to the edge of ur screen. Only real downside is less buttons but I think its probably okay to control camera with keys since most ppl arent pressing 4 keys at once so you'll always be able to do a little bit of mouse movement. And like he side for most ppl buttons are going to go to waste. I imagine this play style is best for adcs who have less buttons to press and mainly focus on spacing and kiting. And they never need fkeys.
Nidhogg's strategy doesn't fix the problem either. Low dpi like that will make kiting extremely tiring and it's just as jarring to play WASD in terms of camera movement. IMO his dpi is extreme even for low sensitivity. While it may be acceptable for a champ like Nidalee or J4 (his main tryhard champs), you will find it exhausting with someone like Zeri. The idea of panning the camera while kiting can be done in a fashion where you click/kite back as you move it; this is indeed slower than not panning the camera but the lost time is difficult to notice. Generally, your camera will not be moving greatly in the opposite direction of your movement. In his varus clip, it would make sense to click forward while moving forward which is what you can do on mouse camera as well. There is another middle ground in which you can use the 'center on champion' bind when kiting, thus having the easiest camera positioning to focus on micro. Another reason for camera lock is so that your camera angle is consistent and lets you measure distance more consistently.
@@remember7671 he actually played zeri with these bindings on stream couple hours ago, you can look up vod. It's funny, cuz viewers exactly asked him for zeri.
@@remember7671 Idk what his dpi is like to play on but I imagine u could find a middle ground where ur speed is still same bc of shorter clicks overall. His are extreme almost solely for skill shots, but I think the concept can be easily applied. WASD camera doesnt lock u into low dpi just allows u to play on lower dpi (since u dont need the excess dpi).
I think I remember Jensen and Stixxay talking about how they have similar setups to this, with camera control on WASD, saying it was easier after coming over from WoW. You can also be a freak of nature like Shiphtur/Chapanya and have default bindings, but reach across the whole keyboard and control camera with the Arrow keys.
It's not about this. Obviously settings are preference and there is nothing wrong with wasd as your camera control. The problem is how mockingly it was presented without giving any real strong arguments and examples. This guide would make much more sense as an alternative settings/camera control method video but not as optimal. League has not ideal but close to it after some preferred customisation default settings, feel free to change it as you like but there is no need to shit on default settings or people being "inaccurate" with high dpi. League is not a shooter and losing some accuracy is a worth trade off for quality camera control and other skills like awareness, spacing dodging, info. Wasd camera control is fine but it's more of a work around for low dpi making the default mouse control way too sluggish and not really some "better" method. It's not worse than a guy with default settings and high dpi that can't hit shit and perma losing control of his character/camera cause his camera flies after a little breeze though. Balance matters. If you can't find a good compromise between decent accuracy and camera control then wasd is worth considering but most people easily find a good balanced dpi and sense for both without needing to use the alternative camera control method.
@@lunacy5510 Just because some players prefer a lower DPI doesn't mean they sacrifice quality camera control or other skills such as awareness, spacing, dodging, and information gathering. In most cases you could even say that accuracy would help you dodge and provide space. Overall the suggestion for lower DPI is not as bad as everyone is making it out to be.
@@lunacy5510 He was clearly joking at the end of the video he says whatever settings work for you are your best settings lmao, and the title is probably just click bait because youtube.
They do sacrifice it just how high dpi players sacrifice the accuracy. That's just the way it is, doesn't mean one is better than the other. Both things matter, it's about the balance and personal physical traits, reflexes, skillset also play a role determining if you perform better on lower or higher dpi. That being said Nemesis made a good point about skill shots being generous in league and accuracy in general not being nowhere as important in league as it's in FPS which is why in general pros tend to play on higher dpi cause for the most part the pros of higher dpi outweight the cons. Obviously there are exceptions just how there are great high dpi FPS players.
In King Nidhogg clips you hear like 1000000 clicks from his keyboard and mouse but he is taking a normal amount of actions in game. This must be why, hes just spamming his camera control buttons
It's clearly a trade-off, or you control your camera with mouse and sacrifice cursor placement, or you control it with your keys and sacrifice hand placement (your hand will not be on top of qwer/skills keys). Therefore, optimally you should find a way to control the camera with your feet, eyes or something.
nah but with most champs using wasd is just better like if you dont paly spell casters like ezreal or bruisers you are probably better off using wasd. even then if you come from fortnite where you need to press 12 buttons in the same second while moving your mouse perfectly, using wasd and placing abilities around your fingers as you would your buildings would be no problem even if you were playing spellcasters.
@@zezanje1 yes, there is nothing wrong with playing wasd. Just as there isn't anything wrong with playing using the mouse. Nemesis says that the downside is that you lose 4 keys close to your hand, I personally think that this is not an issue and both set ups are equivalent
@@keepkarlm6771 ye ur completely right but its not even a question whether losing 4 keys is an issue or not. you have some of the best fortnite pros and fastest builders rn who build with default keybinds (f1 f2 f3 f4) while having ot move on wasd, so in a game like league where speed is almost never a factor, it shouldnt ever come into consideration that playing like this will slow down your reflexes or wahtever. i climbed to high diamond playing on 150-300 ping playing bard, a champ with only skillshots. put me on 80 ping in cs or fortnite and i will be playing at 30% capacity.
I love Nemesis but his counterpoints have to be more than "it's dogshit" without backing it up. Kinda ironic since he harps on and on about Nidhogg not backing it up. Really hypocritical and not a good look at all for him
@@NemesislolClips then why not put the reasons in the clip, it just has a bad look on you without context, and if your reasons are the ones shown in the clip. They just make you look bad, from what I understood you got triggered and began to flame the video because of it. Although I agree with some of the criticisms you make about him giving bad examples when talking about higher dpi, and him giving black and white reasoning, I do feel that you just did the same exact thing when arguing back (begin black and white). And I also think that your reaction is not helpful at all when discusing the topic of alternative keybinds. Your mainpoint was that wasd removes too many useful keys from your keyboard, but most default keybinds people don't usually have keys from z,x,c,v,t,g,mouse4,mouse5 all binded, it is just a matter or shuffling around your keybind to fit wasd. you aren't missing any space. And the argument of you not knowing any proplayer that uses alternative keybinds feels lazy. Edit: And just so you know Im a viewer of the creator you reacted to, just to give some context to my response maybe the way I responded was too biased because of it but I did my best to word my problems with your video.
@@NemesislolClips then why not make it a comprehensive video because regarding topics like this context is really important. I don't know that you went over it on stream because it's on the video to provide me with that context. I only made the comment because going by what I saw I saw in the video there were no real response which gave off a very bad look. I'll check out the response tho.
Reminds me how in SWTOR its recommended not to use wasd for movement, instead by clicking right and left mouse buttons together you move forward and moving your mouse right and left rotates your character. What this means is that your left hand is free to engage the whole keyboard for spells/abilities.
Yeah but swtor doesn't require any reaction or timing for abilities, you just stand still and use abilities on enemies, they are totally different games
Do you not need to strafe in SWTOR? Most MMOs still prefer WASD just because double mouse click movement means you cant really properly move sideways and dodge things when you need to/Look around and move forward at the same time
still he is not reaping benefits from using such method, if you aren't being more precise and quicker with the mouse you are not doing anything, and you are still losing reaction time on the skills. The idea has good intention but bad execution and doesn't actually show any benefit on screen, season 1-3 players used to play like that with arrow keys, there's a reason why no one adopted it
The difference being arrow keys are literally at the other side of your keyboard. WASD is fine and kind off more enjoyable if you like to press a lot of buttons @@shadowdhaka
Tbh sometimes it be like that, but this time im pretty sure most people can see this wasd thing is not as good as he makes it sound, can it work ? Sure. Is it the op strat he makes it sound like it is ? No
Hes one of the only ones left that thinks about fun viable tactics instead of play what is meta. Loved his stridebreaker + phase rush utility jarvan build.
@@tranducquang5912 don't know when that proplayer did this, because king nidhogg has been doing it for a looong time so maybe the proplayer got inspiration from him. But obviously stridebreaker is not around anymore.
@@bramt2000 ua-cam.com/video/mNq7c-TkXaw/v-deo.html&ab_channel=LOLWorld its been done 4 years ago at worlds. Ofc, the build is not really similar anymore cause of item changes, but the theory was there. Now im not sure if king nidhogg learn from it or he was the one who first did it, who knows but overall, its not a new strat. Reviving old strat is okay though
I agree with Nemesis on the DPI point and how low DPI exacerbates the problem with moving the camera with a mouse, but it doesn't eliminate the problem entirely and it still seems more demanding to be able to move the camera + aim abilities/movement simultaneously than it does to just use your other hand to balance the workload. The rest of Neme's points about losing access to items and f-keys are simply not true and are addressed in the video. Rebinding all of those things may seem impossible or too foreign to some, but really it's just a matter of practice and personal preference. You don't actually lose access to anything by using this setup or something similar utilizing WASD camera, you'd just have to reacclimate (which fair enough plenty of people aren't willing to do, but that doesn't make the setup bad or "misinformation")
Yeah, I use pretty much default keybinds but Nemesis is way too triggered in this clip. None of them are objectively right there and both provided good and shallow points. It's a more of a tradeoff that depends on your setup playstyle and mechanics but tbh league default settings are fine and it's a bit silly to expect that every player will find it optimal but with the amount of abilities and functions that league has I feel like they did a pretty good job with those default settings and the rest are free to customise. King nidhogg have chosen a quite atrocious and annoying way to present his points though. Would have been so much better video without all the mocking and being presented as alternative/optional camera control method instead of "better or "optimal". Regardless of some points being shallow/not true, logic was quite interesting and to some extend it made sense.
I played Warcraft 3 when you would use all kinds of hotkeys all over the keyboard and couldn't rebind without third party programs lol it truly doesn't matter if you get used to it.
Same, good old wc3 player here that has memorized every single binding! Go ahead and explain to league players what it would feel like to select your TC and move it toward an enemy hero for a war storm (T) + Select SH to do a hex (X) then move your melee units for a surround and spam (M) I swear man, league players are just wusses lol. Imagine playing with locked camera when WC3 players even rotated the whole camera to be able to cast a spell on an enemy that is obscured by 20 units XD
you called his video a black and white view of whats good and isnt(not saying you are wrong) then you immediately discredited what he does to play with 0 counter argument other than "pro players dont do this", its not a bad way to play if you are used to it and its how you like it, but it is dependent on the person
i use shift + wasd to move my camera, so i can still use W ability and D for flash. My monitor is so big (ultra wide screen) and i prefer a lower mouse sensitivity that its unreasonable to move my cursor so far to move camera.
I'm open minded and WASD might be good, but it takes a lot of effort. Hey, if someone wants to use that, then feel free, but for me it's way too complicated and I would have to re-learn how to play the game.
having to move 4 fingers takes a lot more time because there isn't a "finger DPI" option. It just makes teamfights a lot harder also the skill issue part is not being able to flick your mouse properly. This is basically "having long fingers vs having good aim"
this seems very managable even to a cs, tf2 or a fortnite player. its just that league players are used to barely pressing any buttons and just mashing their keyboard half the time for higher apm.
This is good on rts games, but you have to understand that in league this doesn't work, as league requires way faster reaction times on keys and fast mouse movement for a lot of things
There are some actual merits to that setup, and while I'm not willing to try it out myself, I'm very disappointed that people are flaming without even considering it or giving counter arguments other than "DEFAULT IS GOOD I LET RIOT GAMES DICTATE ME" which is funny.
The original video is framed as educational, the title is literally "How WASD Keybinds make you better at League of Legends". That's why the video is horrible, it won't make you better at the game, even if you prefer the WASD setup, it won't improve your rank. It's like teaching silver players mid game macro, horrible misplaced advice. 6:13 he makes that point
normal cast. press the button twice instead of holding it. Gets some time to get used to but it works. Also, this setup is not an unbreakable rule. On some champs like xerath a standard setting might be better. You should just try it and see if it works for your champs.
I use middle mouse button to move camera. Disable the click and drag option, which turns middle mouse into a click and choose a direction scroller like on chrome and such. Lets me quickly shift my camera in the direction of my mouse movement without altering my mouses path or having to go out of my way to push to the side of the screen. Definitely the easiest way for me!
I use mouse drag and 1400dpi on 2k screen, yes it matters, before i used 1200 dpi on 1080p. Not high not low but was perfect for me. I drag screen around with mouse botton, it's more accurate and dosen't require me to be on the edge of screen. It's more suitable for lower-mid DPI. WIth high DPI just touch the edge of screen.
DotA2 players solved this issue way easier - they use MOUSE3 button (your wheel) to control the camera in a certain situations. Highly suggest to learn how to do this if you care. Helps a lot.
@@walkelftexasrangerpan by holding down m3 and moving mouse, you save a lot of time bc you no longer have to push to the edge of the screen and can keep your cursor closer to relevant information
Not just dota, this has been a thing in RTS for decades. I've always considered it suboptimal to use the edge of the screen, but this is a better solution than WASD camera imo.
@@walkelftexasranger try pressing mouse 3 and moving the mouse around and you'll see what he means same option is active in dota 2 and in both games its an actual good way to move the camera but you have to get used to it
It's actually funny because Tobias Fate also plays with WASD camera binds and it's so cursed but it works. He play's GP, TF, and Graves at a really high level. I wouldn't say one is better than the other it's more of a comfort thing.
I mean those champs dont really have extreme movement like irelia or something so you dont really need camera movement. And his graves with w max comet is not exactly a high movement playstyle.
@@maverick9312 Stixxay uses it as well, and that's a pro player. Just because most people don't use it doesn't mean no one can find success with it if they think they'll like it. Nemesis' arguments work on the foundation that people don't have brains and can't try something out for themselves and decide not to use it if it doesn't work. He's acting like new players will watch the video, try it out, then quit league if they didn't like the camera controls. Like dude. How delusional could you be?
there is Nothing to argue, it's such a unhinged take the only thing you can do is point and laugh at Nidhog. It's the same guy who said that riot not adding vc is good because vc would discriminate against players who dont want to talk. Nidhog is just straight up mentally ill, big issues up there.
I tried this for 2 days to see if I could get used to the binds. Needless to say my ranked teammates were not very happy with me. Just do lockscreen if ur a casual player, Riot is introducing a setting for lockscreen players soon so that being on the topside of the map doesn't feel terrible.
well that sounds like a you problem. like the setup actually seems fine for anyone that doesnt have to spam abilities. id even say that its better for bad players that cant aim because it allows them to actually unlock their screens. like the setup doesnt seem half bad, on most champs you dont spam abilities so you wont suffer from not having your fingers on your abilities all the time. like if you have wrist issues this seems way more manageable than playing on 7k dpi imo
@shadowdhaka its still 2-4 times more than than 800dpi which js by far the most optimal dpi overall for all games. you wont be losing any reaction time by ysing lower dpi. cs and valorant pros play on 300dpi and the game is all about reaction time. just learn to move your hands faster and its not an issue. its not gonna be intense on your wrists and you will be more precise.
Ngl the points he makes are kinda stupid. Like ofcourse there are almost no pro players using this. Only takes 1 second to realize why. All high elo players use unlocked camera, so when you want to become good at the gme, you see that good people use mouse for unlock camera, so you force yourself to use the mouse Because you think jts the only option because all the pros do it. Now you have a viscious cycle where all pro players use mouse -> new players see pro use mouse -> nee player becomes pro while use mouse -> pro players use mouse. I used to play a lot of fps games. I recently saw this video, never played unlocked before because the mouse movement felt too bad on my dpi and it was too unnatural for me. I tried wsad for 3 days and now i can fully play unlocked camera.
Right? It's success bias. You see more people use a mouse for the camera, you think it's the best way to play. Then the cycle repeats until the majority of the players, including the top end, use the mouse as the camera. This doesn't mean shit when it comes to deciding whether a setup is good or not. It's literally a logical fallacy.
I do agree with one thing, though: space bar to recenter is insane, actually. Instead i use space bar to lock my screen on my champion. It works like a toggle. Of course, it's also depends on you. If you play with unlocked screen but find yourself holding down space bar too often, then use it.
Kinda reminds me how some Dota 2 pros literally use arrow keys to move their camera, and the end result is basically what Nidhogg is talking about in this video. You can have your cursor ready in the spot you want it to be at.
I mean his point about having to move your mouse to the edge of the screen is valid. It does take longer. But the solution isn't WASD camera. Just use RTS controls. Middle click to move camera.
theres obv a lof ot nuance required to discuss the pros and cons of both settings, but given the fact that SO MANY people struggle to even use the default cursor to edge method, and dont even try and juse use llocked cam - should be a very clear indicator that theres big downsides with it, havent seen anyone mention the one true setting for perfect camera control, maybe its up to me to make a video on it
nemesis is just lame instead of watching all the vod and forming an opinion he just attack every sentence nidhoog says. also first he says bindings are a person to person thing then he just straight up trash on nidhogg bindings even tho it works for him, nemesis just want to keep this snob attitude cuz he cannot believe other dud is challenger for 10+ years playing like this
@@naughtybaum2140 he literally called him "trolling" as if everything he said in the video has no substance. Dude, you can be critical of someone's work, but saying that they're "trolling" isn't criticism. Lol
Wait till Nidhog realizes you won't be able to cast spells with any accuracy and move camera at the same time even with his trash W.A.S.D setup. All this does and waste 4 keys like Nemesis said, and split your focus 3 ways. Nidhog has the fattest ego I've seen so this is definitely to one up other players.
@@namenemas He has like severe adhd (or takes Adderall out the ass) and is hyper competitive and hyper egotisical which means he can keep up with the apm, but most will not be able to and riots default is better. You can't use f keys at all in this set up unless he stated otherwise.
Tbh using anything but QWER on pretty much any moba is trolling. Even old school DotA warcraft players that used legacy keys, it is not optimal at all tbh. Having different binds for items and trinket is fine, but changing Summs and skills binds is so bad
Remember that Tetris was beated with custom bindings. Just because League provided you with some optimal default doesn't mean it's the most optimal way to play league. For example, i myself when i start playing a new game, i always go and try to bind the keys to the best of my capabilities instead of letting the developers decide which is best for me. Trust me, this video makes quite a lot of sense. The problem is that you need to re-adapt your muscle memory and that is just pain, which is why most pro players don't do this.
exactly. nidhogg has a point here, people that play shooters, fortnite or rts would have no problem adapting to this and would probably play way better than they would with default settings.
I agree that default settings are horrible. The point I'm trying to make is that WASD keybinding for camera is NOT optimal for League of Legends and the way current pros play is better.
@@NemesislolClips no in an ideal world where you weren't given any settings to beging with and where you wouldnt feel uncomfortable with using any kind of setup, this would be superior no? like your camera movement is just more accurate and there is much less pressure on your hand allowing yo to focus more on precise movements, kiting and what not. there was a similar cursed concept like this in the minecraft pvp community where clicking fast was a big advantage, but you would have to balance that with aiming properly so some people would opt into using q as their hit button so that their hand would be free to aim better lol. tldr left hand in league is not doing as much work as it could be doing and the right hand is doing way too much considering how precise its work is. take rts games or fortnite or shooters in intense situations and compare that to league gameplay and even the champs on which this would be the most difficult to pull off like ezreal would pale in comparison.
@@zezanje1 I don't think this would be superior. The best & easiest setting for a beginner player would be to play locked camera, similar to a lot of other games. I don't agree with camera movement being more accurate than using mouse. Any pro player can demonstrate that they are faster & more precise not using WASD keys, without mentioning the other disadvantages that WASD provides.
@@NemesislolClips fam i can demonstrate that its faster to use the mouse as well but that is only because i have been unsing it for the past half a decade if not longer. using your mouse to touch the edge of your screen and then timing how long you should hold it for is much less accurate than just simply doing it with a keyboard, you cnat argue that.
I'm pretty sure some more mechanically demanding champions are just not viable with WSAD. Like I already have to click 4 buttons at the same time while playing riven, how tf do I use WSAD aswell. Not to mention I'd need to grow extra fingers to think about using items.
The guy who made this video has insanely good mechanics and regularly plays hard champions with suboptimal offmeta builds that make them even harder to execute. Idk his elo rn I haven't watched in a while, but I've seen him spam attack speed nidalee on NA chall like it's nothing. He's built different. And that's exactly why no normal, sane person should use the same keybindings as him lol
"You can't reach your keys quickly" Is LoL the only game you've ever played? Saying you can't hit keys quickly is just... demonstrably incorrect. RTS players pulling 100APM on different keys all over the board would disagree. MMO players hitting 50 keybinds with one hand would disagree. Anyone who has played the game differently than the precise way you play for more than 10 minutes will disagree. None of these arguments are backed up in any way, just ranting about someone else's opinion/playstyle. The whole thing boils down to "this is how I'm used to it and it's what other people do so it must be the absolute best way".
imagine a new player with 90 apm watching the video isn't it harmful? then imagine the player becomes a riven enthusiast, i don't ever want that player in my games. An rts player wouldn't move the camera like that also he'll press the map, use f keys, drag screen or will have high dpi and use binds to get back to where he has to look so like using spacebar
You mean the bindings that were shared by a challenger player? Yeah, would be a shame if someone using those bindings ended up in your game. Reeks of fanboi, sorry. @@shadowdhaka
@@psmitty840 you realize he is recommending it in general and challengers are 0.01% of the player base right? if people can't even farm the discussion isn't even relevant, now add they play a champion way beyond their skill level, and add that they had their new setup from a video on youtube. People already can't stop playing lee sin even when they are inting, so this isn't helping is their new go to or "try to win more" instead of working on fundamentals, in such way people keep degrading their gameplay
@@psmitty840 I mean Nemesis is also a challenger player with normal settings so that wouldn't really be a good point to elaborate on. Also you are heavily underestimating the amount of effort a pro player puts into the game to actually learn the ins and out of it.
There's a very simple reason this wasd video is bad. He is aiming with a smaller radius from his character for these skill shots. Lower sensitivity so it's closer to his champ, and he can be more accurate within that smaller radius. However if you just use higher sens you can take advantage of a larger radius to stay just as accurate, without losing any speed. If you want to say you just prefer moving the camera with your KB for comfort and other reasons then that's fine, but it's not true to say this will make your skillshot aim more accurate. It completely depends on the person. And tons of disadvantages are missing from the video (ex, no mention of pinging, voip key, clicking map for globals, cycling, attack-move). Big disadvantages missing from this list. Also, user experience on Azir, Riven, Zeri obviously gonna be a lot different than Grag or Nidalee.
Nidhogg is also sponsoring a scam coaching site, they basically want to force you to pay 600$ after 2 hours of showing powerpoint presentations. He deleted my comment calling it out as well, he is such an NA streamer.
@@NemesislolClips A small update, Nidhogg replied to one of my comments and said that he cut off ties with that coaching site after a lot of complaints arose.
Dude, I get that this setup may not be optimal for most people, esp for a new player coming into league. But acting like it's THAT bad is just straight up delusional. You're acting like people don't have brains. Like a new player will watch the video, try the camera controls out and quit if they don't find success with it. No, they'll just go back to the normal one if they don't like it, and stick with it if they do. You're entire counter-argument hinges in the assumption that new players lack autonomy, which is such an egotistical pov even for a high level player such as yourself. Let people watch the video, try the setup and then decide for themselves. Gatekeeping it by malding over it and saying it's awful and bad for EVERYONE just because you personally find it bad to use is just unreasonable ngl.
It's horrible advice for everyone trying to improve. I'm sure you can reach a really high level using these binds but it will NEVER be the reason a silver player is silver. The original video framed as educational, when it's novelty. It's clickbait and misinformation, Nemesis says this at 6:13
Nid is literally right though.. your left hand is basically afk the entire time without this. Its objectively better to move your camera with left hand.
you don't space or use auto attacks? you don't farm, stop, ping, use f keys, ward? i can't even think of a champion where you aren't actually pressing skills or auto attacks in a time space of more than 5 seconds even accounting for cds, Maaaaaayybe warwick and still. or are you telling me that you right click and don't use attack move or bind it to left click? cause at tha point it was your decision, i just can't wrap around that idea
What do you mean by use auto attacks? If you're talking about target champ only or attack move, those can be easily bound to modifier buttons like shift or ~, or mouse buttons whatever suits you. As for space, yes, you can press space either way your thumb is always there, its kinda irrelevant to the WASD camera unless you want to use space for a different bind. @@shadowdhaka
@@shadowdhaka you can do what youre saying with keyboard binds even with wasd bound to camera movement. Genuinely asking as I'm kinda new to league, are all these keys bound to something important for you and there's no way to fit wasd in for camera? (12345, qwert, asdfg, zxcvb, LALT, LSHIFT, LCTRL) I've played games like escape from tarkov where those keys + those keys w/ modifiers and even more are all bound to pretty important shit, and games like cs where some of the stuff bound to these keys isn't mission critical, but in league I don't totally see why you need that many keys which is why I'm asking, it very well may be a blind spot to me as a newb.
love neme but he doesnt really address nidhoggs points and jumps the gun before listening to the whole thing, influencer mode, shoulda have listened more instead of react andying
I also tried this but then I realized that a) there is a keybind that allows you to move the camera with your mouse while it's pressed without moving your mouse to the edge b) my DPI is too low
only @1:55 in an i'm fuming, like my man, mr nemesis. He said "THE DEFAULT LEAGUE OF LEGENDS BINDINGS ARE BAD", and your retort is "yea you can change them" BUDDY BUDDY, that's the point why are you even commenting, he never said "ayo these keybinds are static" he said that they were badly designed to be your default ones.... 4:04 : The dude said I "RECOMMEND" playing with low dpi to incorporate more hands movement and taking off a load off yout wrists for more longevity WHICH IS AN ACTUAL GOOD ADVICE, knowin that league isn't too dpi dependent, and nemesis retort "it's dogshit only good for fps not for league" ??? like have you played fps ? having mid to high dpi is better for better responses.. 7:43 "yea showmaker is 5k dpi and the best player in the world" yea buddy but not everyone is the best player in the world, being accurate on high dpi is not a given, a trainable skill ? for sure, but really not a given for anyone with either poor hand to eye coordination or overall poor reflexes and accuracy. Also "waste 4 keys" how exactly is that when he literally gave a key binding option that shows HOW YOU CAN STILL PLAY WITHOUT WASTING ANY KEYS ADJACENT TO YOUR FINGERS just a hateful video man for no reason
but like you are just fanboying nemesis. nidhog has a point. you come from games like fortnite or cs where your left hand is engaged so much more and league feels like you are playing half a game. yes you can s tap and use a instead of the mouse to aa which is optimal but those 2 are imo probably even more optimal to use as mouse side buttons. it would probably feel even more nautal that way and some people would kite better kinda like some people like alternating in osu instead of using 1 finger all the time and then using the other one together with it when its necessary. like in fortnie or tf2 or cs you have to be pressing 4-5 buttons pretty much at the same time, so if you come from games like these this should feel even better than using your mouse, like you just split the work your mouse would have to work ot both hands...
@@zezanje1 You're comparing FPS game to MOBA games, those two genres have nothing in common and they're played differently. League isn't about accuracy, it's about decision making. Also you don't have to press 5 buttons at the same times in TF2, where did you heard that? You press 3 buttons at most and the only times where you do that is if you're rocket jumping/sticky jumping/pyro jumping...you get the point.
@@walkelftexasranger you need to be pressing your movement keys at all times on scout for example, in cs you need to counterstrafe and what not, but the most mechanically intense game out of the 3 is fortnite where you need to be placing multiple buildings at once while editing many of them at insane speeds which would be similar to what you would need to do in league, just way less intense. most champs require you to use an ability like a few times a minute. and when im talking about tf2 im talking about the competitive scene. the game requirest quite tight movement a lot of the times and having great air strafing is a must even on classes like medic where you owuld use enemy soldier blasts to propell yourself to safety. anyways for example while you play scout in a single fight tht would last a second or 2 you would want to be jumping and air strafing all the time, jumping off the ledges and jumping back onto the platform etc, it requires you to understand what enemy would expect of you so you need to take that into consideration and on top of that execute your idea of the correct movement in that situation, that alone is much simpler than fucking clicking w and d to move your camera up into clicking 2 and 1 in order to perform a fucking alistar combo like come on, with the majority of champions you wouldnt even need to try hard in order to perform exactly as you are right now.
Since he mentioned valorant i believe he plays fps games so he is used to low dpi/sens to be more accurate but league isnt that mechanically intense game
Isn't it a much better idea to take the short amount of time needed to do a cursory glance on who he is before typing a comment based on assumptions alone?
actually if you should use high or low dpi mostly depends on your genetics as your brain will have trouble adapting. if you are not good at fine motor skills you show use low dpi. if you are a fucking surgeon use high dpi. On the other hand. League is a game where you have to be super super precise with your inputs, speed is often more important thats why most good players play with high dpi.
@@wieselflinkesWiesel genetics or not you can adapt most people can deal with a reasonable level of dpi like 800 to 4k(?) depending on what they do with their sens and how much they practice/try to adjust/etc. The surface or your mouse could be way more important if you try to go high dpi i would say but there's arguments for the opposite too, using 1200-1500 is ok for league you don't need to be uber precise you just keep moving your hand and adjust its not an fps game
@@wieselflinkesWiesel High dpi is needed for long mouse strides (primarily camera movement) u could play with a medium dpi and be jsut as fast while being more precise if ur mouse strides are proportionally shorter. Theoretically if u could have perfect mouse movement even with low strides on high dpi u should just do highest dpi but theres a limit for everyone. So again just balancing it.
@@wieselflinkesWiesel If you want to be precise you use low DPI tho ._. Most LoL players use high DPI, because you have to move mouse constantly, unlike in FPS games where you can just "flick" your mouse and click on head and that's it.
@@walkelftexasranger most of the time with lol hitboxes you don't need to be anything close to pixel perfect even if you have to flick high dpi helps you do movements such as kiting the thing with fps games is that you often hold positions, preaim, or adjust based on where something is going to go while in league you have to both control your skills/aa's and your character with mouse so its a balancing act
Nemesis comes across as a jealous hater. It's really weird energy he has. I guess not being able to cut it in the LEC which is one of the worst regions really gets under your skin. Not sure what it is with him. I'm just guessing.
i hate that nidhogg is misrepresenting WASD users like this, he is a prick apparently. i use WASD for camera and for me its very usefull, you kinda loose access to f-keys in my opinion but i think your camera movement not being tied to mouse is a huge upside. and holy fk his other keybinds are dogshit, sums you can put on x and c unless you play a champ like vlad or vi where you need to hold a button then flash oh yeah and his low dpi makes him forced to do it while for me it was comfort and you totally go high dpi and WASD no problem (i use q e r f for abilites) i also dont claim that WASD is optimal, it has big drawbacks and if you wanna be the best and are not used to any style, stick to normal binds (stixxay does use WASD but he is not world level so i cannot claim that it is BEST practice, but i dont think it should hold you back from getting challenger or going pro)
idik just clikc on the map you dont need f keys especially now that you dont have to touch the edges of your screen to move your camera. like if you were decent at any fps really this is much easier than gettign used to f1f2f3f4
this is a personal anecdote so take that as you will but from my experience watching one of his streams a while ago he is 100% a prick. He got triggered at one of the "Why no conq" type questions and started speaking to the viewer in really condescending tone about how "you should say what you really mean. Instead you should say oh is conqueror better than grasp? Which to me gave me the vibe of that one know it all nerd in highschool who would correct you for every little thing and being smug while they do it. Unfollowed him immediately after that.
@@MarigoldAWthere was one time I went to his stream and one guy commented " why conq nidalee" and he straight up egos the guy saying " because I'm challenger, and you are not" the guy is a bit cringe yeah
league player try not to do weird and useless sh!t not possible Just learn the fking game like a normal human being that means unlocking your camera and using the self camera hotkey. U can also have the option to hold that button to follow your champ. Or use mouse wheel u can look it up yourself If u use anything other than these just quit moba games
How is that a fair point lol. It's not a logical argument to go "because this hasn't been tried before, it's not an improvement". Most of these pros have never tried this arrangement
@vriis ikr, if I was a person trying to become league pro, I see them all using mouse for camera, I would use mouse for camera too because the pros do it. And then suprise suprise all the new pros are using mouse too.
I actually completely agree with nemesis on this one You don't have to have low DPI to be accurate, even in shooter games It's literally personal preference
You don't have to. While it does mostly come down to personal preference, the extent to which it is personal preference differs between competitive shooters and league. The difference here is if you look at pro CS players, their DPI trends towards the lower end. You're not going to be seeing many pros with more than 1-2k EDPI. Most are in the roughly 600-800 EDPI range I believe. There are outliers and there are pros with lower (300-400) and higher (1k-2k) but that is not the norm and it's for good reason. Sometimes the shots you have to hit have little to no margin for error. Being ever so slightly off with 2k EDPI, means you are no where near hitting your shot, and you will miss that shot far more often than if you were to play on and be used to a lower EDPI because that same slight error doesn't knock you off target nearly as often. This isn't as prevalent of an issue in league because hitboxes and the targets you're clicking on are far more forgiving and just larger.
Original Video: ua-cam.com/video/1fbbtubVCg4/v-deo.html
You got a response from Nidhogg about your critique.
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D and F flash users found a common enemy… the E users
I have it on O
@@inLogiex based
@@inLogiex At least you'll never click it by accident
I have always been playing AWDS instead if QWER so for me flash is E and the rest Q. The friend who showed me the game back in 2012 told me thats how the good players play and now i cant swap back😂😂 (Basically the guy only played shooters and was used to it) But its honestly pretty good i have items on the side of my mouse works for me. Like kind of im low Dia.
I'm a nemesis fan but why is he so pressed here chill tf out bro
I think he's pressed because of him being so passionate about this game and then having to endure watching a so called 'educational' video give terrible advice
Isn’t Nemesis always like this?
Edit: nothing wrong with people liking him, nor him being like this. Most of the clips I see of him feel pretty similar to this
Bcs it baits a lot of people who want to get good at the game to implement a worse strategy
@@bariskaraulus6084 I've literally used WASD since I started playing and it's literally just better, most of Nemesis' complaints are "It's worse" "it's so dumb" "you can't ward or use items" when that's literally shown at the start of the video. Plus he keep saying "these are such bad examples" but completely ignores the Nidalee example in river where he can see where the enemy is moving while positioning in the dragon pit. Basically the advantage is you can see more and mauver the camera better while still being able to move your mouse for either offensive or defensive plays.
He isn‘t pressed he‘s just based. The guy in the video makes me aggressive as well, talking like he‘s the only guy who plays the game correctly.
I think Nemesis is not giving it fair consideration.
It makes sense to want to remove camera movement from being cursor controlled since u cant move camera and click at same time. Several pro adcs straight up just play full lock screen bc of this. Even with 1 million dpi the half second u lose panning screen with mouse could get u killed if it breaks ur spacing / kiting/ aiming.
This strategy means u can keep ur mouse closer to ur character and if u dont like the low dpi u can do the same thing with high dpi. Its just the high dpi isnt needed if u aren't moving ur cursor to the edge of ur screen.
Only real downside is less buttons but I think its probably okay to control camera with keys since most ppl arent pressing 4 keys at once so you'll always be able to do a little bit of mouse movement. And like he side for most ppl buttons are going to go to waste. I imagine this play style is best for adcs who have less buttons to press and mainly focus on spacing and kiting. And they never need fkeys.
Nidhogg's strategy doesn't fix the problem either. Low dpi like that will make kiting extremely tiring and it's just as jarring to play WASD in terms of camera movement. IMO his dpi is extreme even for low sensitivity. While it may be acceptable for a champ like Nidalee or J4 (his main tryhard champs), you will find it exhausting with someone like Zeri. The idea of panning the camera while kiting can be done in a fashion where you click/kite back as you move it; this is indeed slower than not panning the camera but the lost time is difficult to notice. Generally, your camera will not be moving greatly in the opposite direction of your movement. In his varus clip, it would make sense to click forward while moving forward which is what you can do on mouse camera as well.
There is another middle ground in which you can use the 'center on champion' bind when kiting, thus having the easiest camera positioning to focus on micro. Another reason for camera lock is so that your camera angle is consistent and lets you measure distance more consistently.
@@remember7671 he actually played zeri with these bindings on stream couple hours ago, you can look up vod. It's funny, cuz viewers exactly asked him for zeri.
@@remember7671 Idk what his dpi is like to play on but I imagine u could find a middle ground where ur speed is still same bc of shorter clicks overall. His are extreme almost solely for skill shots, but I think the concept can be easily applied. WASD camera doesnt lock u into low dpi just allows u to play on lower dpi (since u dont need the excess dpi).
It would make sense to use it if League was only about fighting, but that's not the case.
@@remember7671 You can go right now and find VODs of him playing Zeri, this is fully doable in a realistic high elo setting
I think I remember Jensen and Stixxay talking about how they have similar setups to this, with camera control on WASD, saying it was easier after coming over from WoW. You can also be a freak of nature like Shiphtur/Chapanya and have default bindings, but reach across the whole keyboard and control camera with the Arrow keys.
It's not about this. Obviously settings are preference and there is nothing wrong with wasd as your camera control. The problem is how mockingly it was presented without giving any real strong arguments and examples. This guide would make much more sense as an alternative settings/camera control method video but not as optimal. League has not ideal but close to it after some preferred customisation default settings, feel free to change it as you like but there is no need to shit on default settings or people being "inaccurate" with high dpi. League is not a shooter and losing some accuracy is a worth trade off for quality camera control and other skills like awareness, spacing dodging, info. Wasd camera control is fine but it's more of a work around for low dpi making the default mouse control way too sluggish and not really some "better" method. It's not worse than a guy with default settings and high dpi that can't hit shit and perma losing control of his character/camera cause his camera flies after a little breeze though. Balance matters. If you can't find a good compromise between decent accuracy and camera control then wasd is worth considering but most people easily find a good balanced dpi and sense for both without needing to use the alternative camera control method.
@@lunacy5510 Just because some players prefer a lower DPI doesn't mean they sacrifice quality camera control or other skills such as awareness, spacing, dodging, and information gathering. In most cases you could even say that accuracy would help you dodge and provide space. Overall the suggestion for lower DPI is not as bad as everyone is making it out to be.
@@lunacy5510 He was clearly joking at the end of the video he says whatever settings work for you are your best settings lmao, and the title is probably just click bait because youtube.
They do sacrifice it just how high dpi players sacrifice the accuracy. That's just the way it is, doesn't mean one is better than the other. Both things matter, it's about the balance and personal physical traits, reflexes, skillset also play a role determining if you perform better on lower or higher dpi. That being said Nemesis made a good point about skill shots being generous in league and accuracy in general not being nowhere as important in league as it's in FPS which is why in general pros tend to play on higher dpi cause for the most part the pros of higher dpi outweight the cons. Obviously there are exceptions just how there are great high dpi FPS players.
pretty sure tobias fate plays the same way with 1234 being his spells bindings. idk if he still plays like this but sure was a thing back in the day
Me with my summoner spells bound to my mouse for 6 years now
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Beyond based
In King Nidhogg clips you hear like 1000000 clicks from his keyboard and mouse but he is taking a normal amount of actions in game. This must be why, hes just spamming his camera control buttons
It's clearly a trade-off, or you control your camera with mouse and sacrifice cursor placement, or you control it with your keys and sacrifice hand placement (your hand will not be on top of qwer/skills keys).
Therefore, optimally you should find a way to control the camera with your feet, eyes or something.
nah but with most champs using wasd is just better like if you dont paly spell casters like ezreal or bruisers you are probably better off using wasd. even then if you come from fortnite where you need to press 12 buttons in the same second while moving your mouse perfectly, using wasd and placing abilities around your fingers as you would your buildings would be no problem even if you were playing spellcasters.
@@zezanje1 LoL is not a fucking Fortnite.
Depends on your skill lvl. I dont need to see my champion to be able to play the fights.
@@zezanje1 yes, there is nothing wrong with playing wasd. Just as there isn't anything wrong with playing using the mouse. Nemesis says that the downside is that you lose 4 keys close to your hand, I personally think that this is not an issue and both set ups are equivalent
@@keepkarlm6771 ye ur completely right but its not even a question whether losing 4 keys is an issue or not. you have some of the best fortnite pros and fastest builders rn who build with default keybinds (f1 f2 f3 f4) while having ot move on wasd, so in a game like league where speed is almost never a factor, it shouldnt ever come into consideration that playing like this will slow down your reflexes or wahtever. i climbed to high diamond playing on 150-300 ping playing bard, a champ with only skillshots. put me on 80 ping in cs or fortnite and i will be playing at 30% capacity.
I love Nemesis but his counterpoints have to be more than "it's dogshit" without backing it up. Kinda ironic since he harps on and on about Nidhogg not backing it up.
Really hypocritical and not a good look at all for him
I went over reasons on stream on WHY its not optimal.
@@NemesislolClips then why not put the reasons in the clip, it just has a bad look on you without context, and if your reasons are the ones shown in the clip.
They just make you look bad, from what I understood you got triggered and began to flame the video because of it. Although I agree with some of the criticisms you make about him giving bad examples when talking about higher dpi, and him giving black and white reasoning, I do feel that you just did the same exact thing when arguing back (begin black and white).
And I also think that your reaction is not helpful at all when discusing the topic of alternative keybinds.
Your mainpoint was that wasd removes too many useful keys from your keyboard, but most default keybinds people don't usually have keys from z,x,c,v,t,g,mouse4,mouse5 all binded, it is just a matter or shuffling around your keybind to fit wasd. you aren't missing any space.
And the argument of you not knowing any proplayer that uses alternative keybinds feels lazy.
Edit: And just so you know Im a viewer of the creator you reacted to, just to give some context to my response maybe the way I responded was too biased because of it but I did my best to word my problems with your video.
@@NemesislolClips then why not make it a comprehensive video because regarding topics like this context is really important. I don't know that you went over it on stream because it's on the video to provide me with that context. I only made the comment because going by what I saw I saw in the video there were no real response which gave off a very bad look. I'll check out the response tho.
He literally explained why in the clip?
@@magician7252because it’s dogshit isn’t a good reason.
Nemesis is a clown jesus
Reminds me how in SWTOR its recommended not to use wasd for movement, instead by clicking right and left mouse buttons together you move forward and moving your mouse right and left rotates your character. What this means is that your left hand is free to engage the whole keyboard for spells/abilities.
same thing in wow
Yeah but swtor doesn't require any reaction or timing for abilities, you just stand still and use abilities on enemies, they are totally different games
Do you not need to strafe in SWTOR? Most MMOs still prefer WASD just because double mouse click movement means you cant really properly move sideways and dodge things when you need to/Look around and move forward at the same time
The chat literally is : "whatever Nemesis says I'll say the same + trashtalk niddhog because I'm not chall".
still he is not reaping benefits from using such method, if you aren't being more precise and quicker with the mouse you are not doing anything, and you are still losing reaction time on the skills.
The idea has good intention but bad execution and doesn't actually show any benefit on screen, season 1-3 players used to play like that with arrow keys, there's a reason why no one adopted it
The difference being arrow keys are literally at the other side of your keyboard. WASD is fine and kind off more enjoyable if you like to press a lot of buttons @@shadowdhaka
Tbh sometimes it be like that, but this time im pretty sure most people can see this wasd thing is not as good as he makes it sound, can it work ? Sure. Is it the op strat he makes it sound like it is ? No
You meat rider
Not really, it's just battle of personal preferences (same thing as "Flash on D or F?")
nidhogg is a great mechanical player with fun ideas
Hes one of the only ones left that thinks about fun viable tactics instead of play what is meta. Loved his stridebreaker + phase rush utility jarvan build.
@@bramt2000 isn't that what SOFM did in pro play ? Phase rush Jarvan was done a long time ago
@@tranducquang5912 don't know when that proplayer did this, because king nidhogg has been doing it for a looong time so maybe the proplayer got inspiration from him. But obviously stridebreaker is not around anymore.
@@bramt2000 ua-cam.com/video/mNq7c-TkXaw/v-deo.html&ab_channel=LOLWorld its been done 4 years ago at worlds. Ofc, the build is not really similar anymore cause of item changes, but the theory was there. Now im not sure if king nidhogg learn from it or he was the one who first did it, who knows but overall, its not a new strat. Reviving old strat is okay though
In the clips he showed he had silver mechanics. Thats because going from 1234 to wasd constantly takes more time than moving your mouse a millimeter
I agree with Nemesis on the DPI point and how low DPI exacerbates the problem with moving the camera with a mouse, but it doesn't eliminate the problem entirely and it still seems more demanding to be able to move the camera + aim abilities/movement simultaneously than it does to just use your other hand to balance the workload.
The rest of Neme's points about losing access to items and f-keys are simply not true and are addressed in the video. Rebinding all of those things may seem impossible or too foreign to some, but really it's just a matter of practice and personal preference. You don't actually lose access to anything by using this setup or something similar utilizing WASD camera, you'd just have to reacclimate (which fair enough plenty of people aren't willing to do, but that doesn't make the setup bad or "misinformation")
Yeah, I use pretty much default keybinds but Nemesis is way too triggered in this clip. None of them are objectively right there and both provided good and shallow points. It's a more of a tradeoff that depends on your setup playstyle and mechanics but tbh league default settings are fine and it's a bit silly to expect that every player will find it optimal but with the amount of abilities and functions that league has I feel like they did a pretty good job with those default settings and the rest are free to customise. King nidhogg have chosen a quite atrocious and annoying way to present his points though. Would have been so much better video without all the mocking and being presented as alternative/optional camera control method instead of "better or "optimal". Regardless of some points being shallow/not true, logic was quite interesting and to some extend it made sense.
I played Warcraft 3 when you would use all kinds of hotkeys all over the keyboard and couldn't rebind without third party programs lol it truly doesn't matter if you get used to it.
Same, good old wc3 player here that has memorized every single binding! Go ahead and explain to league players what it would feel like to select your TC and move it toward an enemy hero for a war storm (T) + Select SH to do a hex (X) then move your melee units for a surround and spam (M)
I swear man, league players are just wusses lol. Imagine playing with locked camera when WC3 players even rotated the whole camera to be able to cast a spell on an enemy that is obscured by 20 units XD
Also played Warcraft 3 and I used mouse 90% of time.
Simplicity is the best thing when it comes to videogames.
you guys not use mouse wheel button to drag camera view?
you called his video a black and white view of whats good and isnt(not saying you are wrong) then you immediately discredited what he does to play with 0 counter argument other than "pro players dont do this", its not a bad way to play if you are used to it and its how you like it, but it is dependent on the person
The video is framed as educational, that's why everything in it is horrible 6:13
i use shift + wasd to move my camera, so i can still use W ability and D for flash.
My monitor is so big (ultra wide screen) and i prefer a lower mouse sensitivity that its unreasonable to move my cursor so far to move camera.
and you are silver, don't forget to mention that next time
@@anon_148 Emerald 2*
@anon_148 I'm emerald 2 peak, emerald 4 atm. Mouth breathing NPC XD My monitor costs more than your entire months salary. Take comfort in that.
I'm open minded and WASD might be good, but it takes a lot of effort.
Hey, if someone wants to use that, then feel free, but for me it's way too complicated and I would have to re-learn how to play the game.
This way is actually lowkey better if you can manage it with your fingers, which if you play RTS games definitely isn't hard.
having to move 4 fingers takes a lot more time because there isn't a "finger DPI" option. It just makes teamfights a lot harder
also the skill issue part is not being able to flick your mouse properly. This is basically "having long fingers vs having good aim"
@@shadowd9810this is just straight up a skill issue
this seems very managable even to a cs, tf2 or a fortnite player. its just that league players are used to barely pressing any buttons and just mashing their keyboard half the time for higher apm.
This is good on rts games, but you have to understand that in league this doesn't work, as league requires way faster reaction times on keys and fast mouse movement for a lot of things
When will people finally realize that LoL is not FPS/FG and that people have preferences?
And here I play Dota2 with Scroll drag for camera movement
There are some actual merits to that setup, and while I'm not willing to try it out myself, I'm very disappointed that people are flaming without even considering it or giving counter arguments other than "DEFAULT IS GOOD I LET RIOT GAMES DICTATE ME" which is funny.
The original video is framed as educational, the title is literally "How WASD Keybinds make you better at League of Legends".
That's why the video is horrible, it won't make you better at the game, even if you prefer the WASD setup, it won't improve your rank. It's like teaching silver players mid game macro, horrible misplaced advice. 6:13 he makes that point
How do you aim Xerath Q or Varus Q while you're using WASD camera? You can't aim your camera while you're holding an ability
normal cast. press the button twice instead of holding it. Gets some time to get used to but it works. Also, this setup is not an unbreakable rule. On some champs like xerath a standard setting might be better. You should just try it and see if it works for your champs.
Now you dont do it too i think
You can still move your mouse to the edge of the screen?
I use middle mouse button to move camera. Disable the click and drag option, which turns middle mouse into a click and choose a direction scroller like on chrome and such. Lets me quickly shift my camera in the direction of my mouse movement without altering my mouses path or having to go out of my way to push to the side of the screen. Definitely the easiest way for me!
so the 500th in a row unhinged, dead wrong take from that mentally ill jungler? Color me surprised.
Bro is sooo sooo triggered xD
Nemesis literally has zero sense of humor, he's a fucking shut in lmao
I use mouse drag and 1400dpi on 2k screen, yes it matters, before i used 1200 dpi on 1080p. Not high not low but was perfect for me.
I drag screen around with mouse botton, it's more accurate and dosen't require me to be on the edge of screen. It's more suitable for lower-mid DPI. WIth high DPI just touch the edge of screen.
just click on the mouse wheel ingame broooo 💀
Reading this comment section is giving me brain damage
DotA2 players solved this issue way easier - they use MOUSE3 button (your wheel) to control the camera in a certain situations. Highly suggest to learn how to do this if you care. Helps a lot.
With wheel you control only 2 sides of camera tho?
@@walkelftexasrangerpan by holding down m3 and moving mouse, you save a lot of time bc you no longer have to push to the edge of the screen and can keep your cursor closer to relevant information
Not just dota, this has been a thing in RTS for decades. I've always considered it suboptimal to use the edge of the screen, but this is a better solution than WASD camera imo.
@@walkelftexasranger try pressing mouse 3 and moving the mouse around and you'll see what he means same option is active in dota 2 and in both games its an actual good way to move the camera but you have to get used to it
It's actually funny because Tobias Fate also plays with WASD camera binds and it's so cursed but it works. He play's GP, TF, and Graves at a really high level. I wouldn't say one is better than the other it's more of a comfort thing.
Yeah thought about him as well, I think its just personal preferences but TF is the goat
really high level 😂(d1)
@@maverick9312 He hit challenger playing only GP and TF. He doesn't sweat anymore he just plays for fun
I mean those champs dont really have extreme movement like irelia or something so you dont really need camera movement. And his graves with w max comet is not exactly a high movement playstyle.
@@maverick9312 Stixxay uses it as well, and that's a pro player. Just because most people don't use it doesn't mean no one can find success with it if they think they'll like it. Nemesis' arguments work on the foundation that people don't have brains and can't try something out for themselves and decide not to use it if it doesn't work. He's acting like new players will watch the video, try it out, then quit league if they didn't like the camera controls. Like dude. How delusional could you be?
bro I just lock and unlock cam on spacebar
tobias fate plays like this lol, but has all his spells on mouse.
This guy seems to never have heard of mb3
i really like nemesis but the fact he didn’t give 2 seconds to try to understand someone else’s take is kinda upsetting.
He's salty af
his whole take is that I don't understand than its teRriBle
I completely understand the take he was trying to say. It is straight up wrong and it teaches people watching the video wrong things.
It is objectively a bad take
there is Nothing to argue, it's such a unhinged take the only thing you can do is point and laugh at Nidhog.
It's the same guy who said that riot not adding vc is good because vc would discriminate against players who dont want to talk. Nidhog is just straight up mentally ill, big issues up there.
I tried this for 2 days to see if I could get used to the binds. Needless to say my ranked teammates were not very happy with me. Just do lockscreen if ur a casual player, Riot is introducing a setting for lockscreen players soon so that being on the topside of the map doesn't feel terrible.
well that sounds like a you problem. like the setup actually seems fine for anyone that doesnt have to spam abilities. id even say that its better for bad players that cant aim because it allows them to actually unlock their screens. like the setup doesnt seem half bad, on most champs you dont spam abilities so you wont suffer from not having your fingers on your abilities all the time. like if you have wrist issues this seems way more manageable than playing on 7k dpi imo
@@zezanje1 ok
@@zezanje1 you don't need 7k dpi, 1-2k is more than enough with ok sens no wrist issues from that if you don't do weird movements and bs
@shadowdhaka its still 2-4 times more than than 800dpi which js by far the most optimal dpi overall for all games. you wont be losing any reaction time by ysing lower dpi. cs and valorant pros play on 300dpi and the game is all about reaction time. just learn to move your hands faster and its not an issue. its not gonna be intense on your wrists and you will be more precise.
Ngl the points he makes are kinda stupid. Like ofcourse there are almost no pro players using this. Only takes 1 second to realize why. All high elo players use unlocked camera, so when you want to become good at the gme, you see that good people use mouse for unlock camera, so you force yourself to use the mouse Because you think jts the only option because all the pros do it. Now you have a viscious cycle where all pro players use mouse -> new players see pro use mouse -> nee player becomes pro while use mouse -> pro players use mouse.
I used to play a lot of fps games. I recently saw this video, never played unlocked before because the mouse movement felt too bad on my dpi and it was too unnatural for me. I tried wsad for 3 days and now i can fully play unlocked camera.
Right? It's success bias. You see more people use a mouse for the camera, you think it's the best way to play. Then the cycle repeats until the majority of the players, including the top end, use the mouse as the camera. This doesn't mean shit when it comes to deciding whether a setup is good or not. It's literally a logical fallacy.
This clip made me lose IQ, my guy I dont have enough fingers for that
wtf
"whats he saying its just preference", "its dogshit why would you play like this"
I do agree with one thing, though: space bar to recenter is insane, actually. Instead i use space bar to lock my screen on my champion. It works like a toggle. Of course, it's also depends on you. If you play with unlocked screen but find yourself holding down space bar too often, then use it.
I have attack move on D, Summoner spell 1 on A (default D), and lvl up on F keys
niddhogg must be trolling
Kinda reminds me how some Dota 2 pros literally use arrow keys to move their camera, and the end result is basically what Nidhogg is talking about in this video. You can have your cursor ready in the spot you want it to be at.
is it just me but i love how he say league of legends xddd
I mean his point about having to move your mouse to the edge of the screen is valid. It does take longer. But the solution isn't WASD camera. Just use RTS controls. Middle click to move camera.
theres obv a lof ot nuance required to discuss the pros and cons of both settings, but given the fact that SO MANY people struggle to even use the default cursor to edge method, and dont even try and juse use llocked cam - should be a very clear indicator that theres big downsides with it, havent seen anyone mention the one true setting for perfect camera control, maybe its up to me to make a video on it
this reminds me of starcraft or red alert
I tried it and I'm challenger now
I dont know, i personally like to use monitor buttons for my camera movement, with power button for champion movement. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Hes probably pissed and just wanted to flame to get the stress out of his system... pretty bad take from nemesis here
I laugh in starcraft.
nemesis is just lame instead of watching all the vod and forming an opinion he just attack every sentence nidhoog says. also first he says bindings are a person to person thing then he just straight up trash on nidhogg bindings even tho it works for him, nemesis just want to keep this snob attitude cuz he cannot believe other dud is challenger for 10+ years playing like this
what are you saying ... where does he attack him? drama baiting for no reason. There are people that can talk without it being personal or attacking..
@@naughtybaum2140 he literally called him "trolling" as if everything he said in the video has no substance. Dude, you can be critical of someone's work, but saying that they're "trolling" isn't criticism. Lol
or hold down mousewheel and not have to mve your cursr all the way to the side ..
I think niddhog is more right ngl
yeah true
Ofcourse a silver like you would think that
@@jormungandr4690 im grandmaster u clown
Wait till Nidhog realizes you won't be able to cast spells with any accuracy and move camera at the same time even with his trash W.A.S.D setup.
All this does and waste 4 keys like Nemesis said, and split your focus 3 ways. Nidhog has the fattest ego I've seen so this is definitely to one up other players.
Would be really weird for him to realize this only after reaching challenger with this setup lol.
@@namenemas He has like severe adhd (or takes Adderall out the ass) and is hyper competitive and hyper egotisical which means he can keep up with the apm, but most will not be able to and riots default is better. You can't use f keys at all in this set up unless he stated otherwise.
Exactly. 99% of commenter here are dogshit silver players.
must've hit Nemesis' soft spot with how angrily he reacted to a satirical video that explains a player's preference of binds
nidhogg is cracked
middle mouse users rise up
i like nemesis but why is he so pressed and not giving this idea a second thought? his whole argument is that its shit and he doesnt understand it.
Because it's shit for HIM.
If it's good for you than use it, it's that simple.
Tbh using anything but QWER on pretty much any moba is trolling. Even old school DotA warcraft players that used legacy keys, it is not optimal at all tbh. Having different binds for items and trinket is fine, but changing Summs and skills binds is so bad
dont cry im playing with these settings it's too comfortable so shut
High DPI is good if you have insane talent. For the average person it's better to use lowish DPI.
Remember that Tetris was beated with custom bindings. Just because League provided you with some optimal default doesn't mean it's the most optimal way to play league. For example, i myself when i start playing a new game, i always go and try to bind the keys to the best of my capabilities instead of letting the developers decide which is best for me. Trust me, this video makes quite a lot of sense. The problem is that you need to re-adapt your muscle memory and that is just pain, which is why most pro players don't do this.
exactly. nidhogg has a point here, people that play shooters, fortnite or rts would have no problem adapting to this and would probably play way better than they would with default settings.
I agree that default settings are horrible. The point I'm trying to make is that WASD keybinding for camera is NOT optimal for League of Legends and the way current pros play is better.
@@NemesislolClips no in an ideal world where you weren't given any settings to beging with and where you wouldnt feel uncomfortable with using any kind of setup, this would be superior no? like your camera movement is just more accurate and there is much less pressure on your hand allowing yo to focus more on precise movements, kiting and what not. there was a similar cursed concept like this in the minecraft pvp community where clicking fast was a big advantage, but you would have to balance that with aiming properly so some people would opt into using q as their hit button so that their hand would be free to aim better lol.
tldr left hand in league is not doing as much work as it could be doing and the right hand is doing way too much considering how precise its work is. take rts games or fortnite or shooters in intense situations and compare that to league gameplay and even the champs on which this would be the most difficult to pull off like ezreal would pale in comparison.
@@zezanje1 I don't think this would be superior. The best & easiest setting for a beginner player would be to play locked camera, similar to a lot of other games. I don't agree with camera movement being more accurate than using mouse. Any pro player can demonstrate that they are faster & more precise not using WASD keys, without mentioning the other disadvantages that WASD provides.
@@NemesislolClips fam i can demonstrate that its faster to use the mouse as well but that is only because i have been unsing it for the past half a decade if not longer. using your mouse to touch the edge of your screen and then timing how long you should hold it for is much less accurate than just simply doing it with a keyboard, you cnat argue that.
i forgot jokes dont translate to european
ouch not a goodlook nem
I'm pretty sure some more mechanically demanding champions are just not viable with WSAD. Like I already have to click 4 buttons at the same time while playing riven, how tf do I use WSAD aswell. Not to mention I'd need to grow extra fingers to think about using items.
I imagine you would space bar during riven combos. The main beneficiary of this play style is going to be ranged champs that need to see far I think.
he plays nidalee in the video. it's 1000% possible but i agree it seems like a nightmare if you haven't been using WASD camera from birth
nah, i started playing with this keybinds a few weeks ago, it's a banger once you get the hang out of it@@beppermint4092
laceration has been using wasd for time immemorial.
The guy who made this video has insanely good mechanics and regularly plays hard champions with suboptimal offmeta builds that make them even harder to execute. Idk his elo rn I haven't watched in a while, but I've seen him spam attack speed nidalee on NA chall like it's nothing. He's built different. And that's exactly why no normal, sane person should use the same keybindings as him lol
"You can't reach your keys quickly"
Is LoL the only game you've ever played? Saying you can't hit keys quickly is just... demonstrably incorrect. RTS players pulling 100APM on different keys all over the board would disagree. MMO players hitting 50 keybinds with one hand would disagree. Anyone who has played the game differently than the precise way you play for more than 10 minutes will disagree. None of these arguments are backed up in any way, just ranting about someone else's opinion/playstyle. The whole thing boils down to "this is how I'm used to it and it's what other people do so it must be the absolute best way".
imagine a new player with 90 apm watching the video isn't it harmful? then imagine the player becomes a riven enthusiast, i don't ever want that player in my games.
An rts player wouldn't move the camera like that also he'll press the map, use f keys, drag screen or will have high dpi and use binds to get back to where he has to look so like using spacebar
You mean the bindings that were shared by a challenger player? Yeah, would be a shame if someone using those bindings ended up in your game. Reeks of fanboi, sorry. @@shadowdhaka
@@psmitty840 you realize he is recommending it in general and challengers are 0.01% of the player base right?
if people can't even farm the discussion isn't even relevant, now add they play a champion way beyond their skill level, and add that they had their new setup from a video on youtube.
People already can't stop playing lee sin even when they are inting, so this isn't helping is their new go to or "try to win more" instead of working on fundamentals, in such way people keep degrading their gameplay
@@psmitty840 I mean Nemesis is also a challenger player with normal settings so that wouldn't really be a good point to elaborate on. Also you are heavily underestimating the amount of effort a pro player puts into the game to actually learn the ins and out of it.
im not going to pretend that I am a challenger player, but his discussion of DPI shows that the rest of his points loses a lot of value
There's a very simple reason this wasd video is bad. He is aiming with a smaller radius from his character for these skill shots. Lower sensitivity so it's closer to his champ, and he can be more accurate within that smaller radius. However if you just use higher sens you can take advantage of a larger radius to stay just as accurate, without losing any speed. If you want to say you just prefer moving the camera with your KB for comfort and other reasons then that's fine, but it's not true to say this will make your skillshot aim more accurate. It completely depends on the person. And tons of disadvantages are missing from the video (ex, no mention of pinging, voip key, clicking map for globals, cycling, attack-move). Big disadvantages missing from this list. Also, user experience on Azir, Riven, Zeri obviously gonna be a lot different than Grag or Nidalee.
Nidhogg is also sponsoring a scam coaching site, they basically want to force you to pay 600$ after 2 hours of showing powerpoint presentations. He deleted my comment calling it out as well, he is such an NA streamer.
name?
@@NemesislolClips can I msg someone on discord so I can explain it better? I feel like UA-cam comments might block links / formatting bad.
@@NemesislolClips A small update, Nidhogg replied to one of my comments and said that he cut off ties with that coaching site after a lot of complaints arose.
This is proof league isnt a skilled game. This isnt even a crazy difficult setup to pull off
Dude, I get that this setup may not be optimal for most people, esp for a new player coming into league. But acting like it's THAT bad is just straight up delusional. You're acting like people don't have brains. Like a new player will watch the video, try the camera controls out and quit if they don't find success with it. No, they'll just go back to the normal one if they don't like it, and stick with it if they do.
You're entire counter-argument hinges in the assumption that new players lack autonomy, which is such an egotistical pov even for a high level player such as yourself. Let people watch the video, try the setup and then decide for themselves. Gatekeeping it by malding over it and saying it's awful and bad for EVERYONE just because you personally find it bad to use is just unreasonable ngl.
nemesis must've lost a bet or something bro is so heated for no reason 😭😭😭
It's horrible advice for everyone trying to improve. I'm sure you can reach a really high level using these binds but it will NEVER be the reason a silver player is silver. The original video framed as educational, when it's novelty. It's clickbait and misinformation, Nemesis says this at 6:13
Nid is literally right though.. your left hand is basically afk the entire time without this. Its objectively better to move your camera with left hand.
you don't space or use auto attacks? you don't farm, stop, ping, use f keys, ward?
i can't even think of a champion where you aren't actually pressing skills or auto attacks in a time space of more than 5 seconds even accounting for cds, Maaaaaayybe warwick and still.
or are you telling me that you right click and don't use attack move or bind it to left click? cause at tha point it was your decision, i just can't wrap around that idea
What do you mean by use auto attacks?
If you're talking about target champ only or attack move, those can be easily bound to modifier buttons like shift or ~, or mouse buttons whatever suits you.
As for space, yes, you can press space either way your thumb is always there, its kinda irrelevant to the WASD camera unless you want to use space for a different bind. @@shadowdhaka
For sure im gonna bind attack move on the mouse buttons AHAHAHAHAHA
@@yologoodvibes193 You absolutely can bind attack move to left mouse button, thats how I play and it works pretty well
@@shadowdhaka you can do what youre saying with keyboard binds even with wasd bound to camera movement. Genuinely asking as I'm kinda new to league, are all these keys bound to something important for you and there's no way to fit wasd in for camera? (12345, qwert, asdfg, zxcvb, LALT, LSHIFT, LCTRL) I've played games like escape from tarkov where those keys + those keys w/ modifiers and even more are all bound to pretty important shit, and games like cs where some of the stuff bound to these keys isn't mission critical, but in league I don't totally see why you need that many keys which is why I'm asking, it very well may be a blind spot to me as a newb.
i think its only useful when playing below 30fps
love neme but he doesnt really address nidhoggs points and jumps the gun before listening to the whole thing, influencer mode, shoulda have listened more instead of react andying
you really just watched nidhoggs reaction to comment it here XD
@@naughtybaum2140 nope i commented before i saw his reaction video
What points? It is objectively bad, look how incredibly slow he is at using his skills, because he has to use his fingers for camera instead.
there is nothing to address, just another day of nidhogg being dead wrong about everything he speaks about.
Bro playing starcraft broodwar, instead of league of tilt
I also tried this but then I realized that
a) there is a keybind that allows you to move the camera with your mouse while it's pressed without moving your mouse to the edge
b) my DPI is too low
how easily streamers are triggered nowadays ??
It's the league streamer mentality, you don't understand/like it = shit and reg(t)arded
Wtf😂
rare neme L
valorant player being mad lol doesnt have WASD movement
He's an RTS player I think so he's used to using WASD to move camera for example.
only @1:55 in an i'm fuming, like my man, mr nemesis. He said "THE DEFAULT LEAGUE OF LEGENDS BINDINGS ARE BAD", and your retort is "yea you can change them" BUDDY BUDDY, that's the point why are you even commenting, he never said "ayo these keybinds are static" he said that they were badly designed to be your default ones....
4:04 : The dude said I "RECOMMEND" playing with low dpi to incorporate more hands movement and taking off a load off yout wrists for more longevity WHICH IS AN ACTUAL GOOD ADVICE, knowin that league isn't too dpi dependent, and nemesis retort "it's dogshit only good for fps not for league" ??? like have you played fps ? having mid to high dpi is better for better responses..
7:43 "yea showmaker is 5k dpi and the best player in the world" yea buddy but not everyone is the best player in the world, being accurate on high dpi is not a given, a trainable skill ? for sure, but really not a given for anyone with either poor hand to eye coordination or overall poor reflexes and accuracy. Also "waste 4 keys" how exactly is that when he literally gave a key binding option that shows HOW YOU CAN STILL PLAY WITHOUT WASTING ANY KEYS ADJACENT TO YOUR FINGERS
just a hateful video man for no reason
Huh im pretty sure most pro FPS players have very low DPI. Some CS pro i know back in the days play with like 400 dpi
These keybinds are fucking cursed lmaooo
but like you are just fanboying nemesis. nidhog has a point. you come from games like fortnite or cs where your left hand is engaged so much more and league feels like you are playing half a game. yes you can s tap and use a instead of the mouse to aa which is optimal but those 2 are imo probably even more optimal to use as mouse side buttons. it would probably feel even more nautal that way and some people would kite better kinda like some people like alternating in osu instead of using 1 finger all the time and then using the other one together with it when its necessary. like in fortnie or tf2 or cs you have to be pressing 4-5 buttons pretty much at the same time, so if you come from games like these this should feel even better than using your mouse, like you just split the work your mouse would have to work ot both hands...
@@zezanje1 You're comparing FPS game to MOBA games, those two genres have nothing in common and they're played differently.
League isn't about accuracy, it's about decision making.
Also you don't have to press 5 buttons at the same times in TF2, where did you heard that?
You press 3 buttons at most and the only times where you do that is if you're rocket jumping/sticky jumping/pyro jumping...you get the point.
@@walkelftexasranger you need to be pressing your movement keys at all times on scout for example, in cs you need to counterstrafe and what not, but the most mechanically intense game out of the 3 is fortnite where you need to be placing multiple buildings at once while editing many of them at insane speeds which would be similar to what you would need to do in league, just way less intense. most champs require you to use an ability like a few times a minute. and when im talking about tf2 im talking about the competitive scene. the game requirest quite tight movement a lot of the times and having great air strafing is a must even on classes like medic where you owuld use enemy soldier blasts to propell yourself to safety. anyways for example while you play scout in a single fight tht would last a second or 2 you would want to be jumping and air strafing all the time, jumping off the ledges and jumping back onto the platform etc, it requires you to understand what enemy would expect of you so you need to take that into consideration and on top of that execute your idea of the correct movement in that situation, that alone is much simpler than fucking clicking w and d to move your camera up into clicking 2 and 1 in order to perform a fucking alistar combo like come on, with the majority of champions you wouldnt even need to try hard in order to perform exactly as you are right now.
Since he mentioned valorant i believe he plays fps games so he is used to low dpi/sens to be more accurate but league isnt that mechanically intense game
Isn't it a much better idea to take the short amount of time needed to do a cursory glance on who he is before typing a comment based on assumptions alone?
@@vriis ? I just made a guess on why he plays low sens. It's not that deep
your guess is incorrect. nice try though
"and i play tetris" and now we know why he is so weird, just look how tetris players grip the controller its madness
low sens / high sens is all dependend on the player and sensor of your mouse since your brain can easily adapt to any sens:-)
actually if you should use high or low dpi mostly depends on your genetics as your brain will have trouble adapting. if you are not good at fine motor skills you show use low dpi. if you are a fucking surgeon use high dpi. On the other hand. League is a game where you have to be super super precise with your inputs, speed is often more important thats why most good players play with high dpi.
@@wieselflinkesWiesel genetics or not you can adapt most people can deal with a reasonable level of dpi like 800 to 4k(?) depending on what they do with their sens and how much they practice/try to adjust/etc.
The surface or your mouse could be way more important if you try to go high dpi i would say but there's arguments for the opposite too, using 1200-1500 is ok for league you don't need to be uber precise you just keep moving your hand and adjust its not an fps game
@@wieselflinkesWiesel High dpi is needed for long mouse strides (primarily camera movement) u could play with a medium dpi and be jsut as fast while being more precise if ur mouse strides are proportionally shorter.
Theoretically if u could have perfect mouse movement even with low strides on high dpi u should just do highest dpi but theres a limit for everyone. So again just balancing it.
@@wieselflinkesWiesel If you want to be precise you use low DPI tho ._.
Most LoL players use high DPI, because you have to move mouse constantly, unlike in FPS games where you can just "flick" your mouse and click on head and that's it.
@@walkelftexasranger most of the time with lol hitboxes you don't need to be anything close to pixel perfect even if you have to flick high dpi helps you do movements such as kiting the thing with fps games is that you often hold positions, preaim, or adjust based on where something is going to go while in league you have to both control your skills/aa's and your character with mouse so its a balancing act
Nemesis comes across as a jealous hater. It's really weird energy he has. I guess not being able to cut it in the LEC which is one of the worst regions really gets under your skin. Not sure what it is with him. I'm just guessing.
bro add new mechanic to only make it harder XD
Imagine playing yasuo with WASD xdd
i hate that nidhogg is misrepresenting WASD users like this, he is a prick apparently.
i use WASD for camera and for me its very usefull, you kinda loose access to f-keys in my opinion but i think your camera movement not being tied to mouse is a huge upside.
and holy fk his other keybinds are dogshit, sums you can put on x and c unless you play a champ like vlad or vi where you need to hold a button then flash
oh yeah and his low dpi makes him forced to do it while for me it was comfort and you totally go high dpi and WASD no problem
(i use q e r f for abilites)
i also dont claim that WASD is optimal, it has big drawbacks and if you wanna be the best and are not used to any style, stick to normal binds (stixxay does use WASD but he is not world level so i cannot claim that it is BEST practice, but i dont think it should hold you back from getting challenger or going pro)
only real comment
idik just clikc on the map you dont need f keys especially now that you dont have to touch the edges of your screen to move your camera. like if you were decent at any fps really this is much easier than gettign used to f1f2f3f4
this is a personal anecdote so take that as you will but from my experience watching one of his streams a while ago he is 100% a prick. He got triggered at one of the "Why no conq" type questions and started speaking to the viewer in really condescending tone about how "you should say what you really mean. Instead you should say oh is conqueror better than grasp? Which to me gave me the vibe of that one know it all nerd in highschool who would correct you for every little thing and being smug while they do it. Unfollowed him immediately after that.
@@MarigoldAWthere was one time I went to his stream and one guy commented " why conq nidalee" and he straight up egos the guy saying " because I'm challenger, and you are not" the guy is a bit cringe yeah
With your keybinds it looks possible to play WASD, but I still wouldn't go for it.
league player try not to do weird and useless sh!t not possible
Just learn the fking game like a normal human being that means unlocking your camera and using the self camera hotkey.
U can also have the option to hold that button to follow your champ.
Or use mouse wheel u can look it up yourself
If u use anything other than these just quit moba games
Use an MMO mouse and a keypad like the Tartarus, bind your spells to one peripheral and your camera control/pings to the other
What the actual fuck
Fair point there actually isn't one Pro that plays WASD camera lmao. I guess if you're just a casual player you can try it for fun
How is that a fair point lol. It's not a logical argument to go "because this hasn't been tried before, it's not an improvement". Most of these pros have never tried this arrangement
@vriis ikr, if I was a person trying to become league pro, I see them all using mouse for camera, I would use mouse for camera too because the pros do it. And then suprise suprise all the new pros are using mouse too.
@@vriis Who in their right mind at the highest level would want to clog up 4 important keybinds for camera movement when your mouse does it already.
@@EclairTw jensen and stixxay??? and also if you think 4 keybinds is that detrimental you have never touched an rts in your life xddd
@@KyonkoxChan yeah you're slow in the head
wtf is this guys problem? why he is so mad
Neme getting the joke: challenge failed
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there wasnt any joke. that is how the guy actually plays
I actually completely agree with nemesis on this one
You don't have to have low DPI to be accurate, even in shooter games
It's literally personal preference
You don't have to. While it does mostly come down to personal preference, the extent to which it is personal preference differs between competitive shooters and league. The difference here is if you look at pro CS players, their DPI trends towards the lower end. You're not going to be seeing many pros with more than 1-2k EDPI. Most are in the roughly 600-800 EDPI range I believe. There are outliers and there are pros with lower (300-400) and higher (1k-2k) but that is not the norm and it's for good reason. Sometimes the shots you have to hit have little to no margin for error. Being ever so slightly off with 2k EDPI, means you are no where near hitting your shot, and you will miss that shot far more often than if you were to play on and be used to a lower EDPI because that same slight error doesn't knock you off target nearly as often.
This isn't as prevalent of an issue in league because hitboxes and the targets you're clicking on are far more forgiving and just larger.
no its not, its straight up worse. 1 out of thousands of csgo pros use edpi higher than 2k and he is famous for it so ye.
Ask any voltaic user whether or not high or low DPI is optimal and come back. High DPI being playable at high elo =/= optimal
He need to be a Dota 2 player to understand the meaning of overloaded fingers. XD
Or better a Starcraft player.
P.S. 3600-4800 dpi player here
Love the "Lockscreen Fallacy". Comparing to lockscreen is stupid. Unlock your screen and stop coping.
What is this shit? (the original video i mean)