i do have the same handlebars, with more than 4000 km mileage, no problems so far, and im pretty heavy, around 105kg right now, was at 120kg when i mounted the handlebars, gotta say the bars handled themselves very good.
Congrats on the weight loss! I had these handlebars when I was also around 105kg and no problems for around 600km. Then I got a new bike with better handlebars and never switched to these.
Looking at the failure, the design isn’t great either. To minimise stress raisers, the bars need a more gradual transition from round to flat. The cable feed hole is right at the high stress area, perfect crack propagation point! If we’re to buy similar I the future, I would check the design more thoroughly. Thanks for the video, great job!
@@stephanelouvet1113 it's because they copy the shape from a brand like 3T but have none of the layup design that goes along with it. In some case they just throw carbon into the mold, I had a friend who had a knockoff wheel delaminate and it turned out they were actually glass inside even. That's what makes these things so sketchy.
I've had a pair of these for a few years now and am really pleased with them. I'm a fairly big unit and they suck out a lot of the bumps of the road. Did have them slip in the stem until I used carbon paste, though. (and I had the same problems routing the cables as you had... all good now, though)
4000 miles on my Toseek Carbon aero bars now. Don't forget, even the big expensive brands also fail, spending big bucks is no guarantee you won't get a lemon.
A guy I used to ride with had a new stem break and it was from a premium brand. He crashed as was pretty badly injured. The company paid his hospital expenses and the damage to his bike as a result. That is one difference. You can hold a reputable company liable. The cheap knock off stuff, you are on your own.
They do, but the reports of failures on these are much too high for such a critical component for my taste. One really odd thing on AliExpress about carbon bars is that all the listings are new. It's of benefit to the sellers to leave a SKU up if it's a popular product, if it has a history and good reviews it will sell better. But most of the carbon bars up there are no older than a few months, and even then you can find reports of breakage (make sure to look at "Additional Feedback"- that's where they are, even on existing 5 star reviews). I suspect what happens is they take down and re-list when they get too many reports. You do not see anywhere near this level of breakage reported on name brand carbon bars, you just don't.
@@888899999888 No company will EVER EVER pay your hospital bills. Thats a complete hogwash story. If they did, they'll be accepting liability and opening themselves up for bigger claims and lawsuit. Not even after a crash, which is of course human error.
The juxtaposition of the failure - in relation to the "QC Passed" sticker is priceless!!! Perhaps the early shakedown testing on safety-critical items - such as bars and wheels - is best done on a turbo trainer.
I have had those Toseeks for 2 months and about 1100km and no issues so far, maybe I'm safe! Can confirm they increased the comfort and agility of my bike quite noticiably (not gonna lie, average 1,5-2kph more) so very happy with mine! I did put some really spongous and fat bar tape to help mitgate the bad roads we have here so not all the stress is filtered by the bars!
I've had these bars for about 300 miles or so now with no problems. I'm heavy at 200 lbs also. Torqued to just under 5 nm. Love the feel of them. Hope I live more...
Hi Luke. Just a quick note to say how much I enjoy your channel. Your attitude and enthusiasm are refreshing. Too many people these days are squeamish about risk. Riding a bike is inherently risky, and you're far more likely to get flattened by a truck, than to come to any harm due to a failed component ! Keep up the good work.
As I've said in previous comments to your channel. You inspired my own cheap Chinese Carbon build for my own channel. Thankfully the only real issue I dealt with as of today was a slipping seat post. I've also had several sets of cheap carbon rims without issue. But I am constantly expecting something to fail and so are all of my friends. But I am glad I built the bike. It was a great learning experience if anything. Congratulations on your first sponsor btw! That's a big step for your channel. Thanks again for your inspiration and your continued content. I appreciate you.
You don’t cheap out on glasses. Your body has only one set eyes. So don’t break them. Testing cheap critical bike components on the other hand is the main point of the channel. If a bike part breaks, you can replace them. Your body however is irreplaceable. So like he said. You really have to test it yourself and manage the risk. If you’re uncomfortable with using cheap bike parts. Then go for the well known but expensive brands who stand by the quality of their products.
@@iMadrid11 I'm sorry, but in my opinion, I'd rather take my chances with eye wear than my chances with a frame or bars or some other component. The risk that I see in a component failure is much higher than the risk in eye wear imo.
Hi dude! Actually I finished my "Alibike". Like you, I tried to buy parts with low cost and good reviews from sellers. I managed to ride a bike with the Groupset Sensah Empire. I am almost completing 500 kilometers without major problems, except for a small gap between the stem and the handlebars. Congratulations on your videos!
Bought the Specialized Short Reach handlebars (with 65 mm Reach) to compensate for my small hands and short upper body and honestly, ordinary aluminum handlebars are incredibly light.
I think it’s due to the damping properties and flex the bars give over rough ground rather than the weight. Good carbon bars are usually more comfortable over longer distances and make you feel less fatigued
Oh, this is so funny. I just received the exact handlebars you are showing. Didn't even had time to install them and yes I bought them after seeing your previous video. I knew what I was getting into and I appreciate your effort you put into these videos. Thanks for your honesty.
I commented on your other video because I've got the same bars, rock solid still I might add. The gamble with all carbon/thermoplastics is the same no matter whether they're made by a reputable brand or not. Because of the nature of their construction there will always be units that have defects. The main thing is that no one was injured. In addition, there are 4 bands of protection on sunglasses, UVa, b, c and bluelight.
I bought a pair of them K3 chromatic lens and I bought them at 10am on the Wednesday and they arrived in Ireland from Spain on Thursday at 1pm ....... I've had them a year and they are brilliant and cheap .... the packaging is truly awesome
Different brand of Chinese Carbon bars, but I had the same issue with 2x sets that I ordered. Friends have had similar issues. But then other sets have been perfect. Classic hit and miss due to them having poor QA/QC!
Hello Trace and followers. I built the same bike last winter (same frame, FarSport Wheels, bars and Ultegra group set). Happy to report that I have put 3000km on the bike and it has performed well. I do inspect the bike regularly and do my own maintenance.
Your videos were terrific and inspired me to take on the project in a long cold Canadian winter. I'm glad I did it last year because prices of components and shipping have gone up significantly.
After a few carbon bar failures of my own, I have gone back to trusty and reliable aluminum bars. The weight difference is really minimal and I actually like the more ridged feel. Yanking on carbon bars has always made me feel uneasy under hard acceleration, but with aluminum I can pull as hard as I want without concern.
Thanks Luke! For carbon,I recently bought a 2022 Canyon Endurace roadbike. Great bike,love it!......I watched a video about what goes on at their headquarters in Germany. I'm pretty sure Giant builds Canyon's carbon frames. Giant scans carbon parts twice for any inner weakness.............and Canyon spent 500,000.00 for their own scanner and they re-scan EVERY carbon part and frame they build bikes with..... Canyon does all assembly of bikes in Germany. Frames come from Asia and Canyon then builds bikes.....so yeah,there IS a difference between generic-ish parts out of china,and buying from a bike maker who is dead serious about quality....and yet,Canyon bikes are known as a very good value for what you get.
I have Toseek bullhorns and 2 seat posts and I’ve had no issues. In fact I was surprised at how much stiffer these bars are compared to my last set of carbon bars. I think they make a nice product and the price is right.
I’ve got 3 pairs of these bars, they all work fine! One of them I’ve got mounted on my 2019 Trek Di2 SL7. As for “QC”, name brand parts from large manufacturers fail too. Remember the carbon fork failures from Trek? ...lawsuits and recalls on this and many others from different manufacturers over the years, so “cheap Chinese bicycle parts” aren’t the only parts which can have defects. Manufacturing defects happen everywhere, but there is a good point here: INSPECT YOUR BIKE!!! Example: I inspect both my wheels and tires carefully (and the rest of the bike too, but especially the wheels and tires) before I ride EVERY time. On my DTSwiss RR22 wheels, I found several - 8 to 10 smooth cracks around two spoke nipples on the rear wheel. I rode the bike around the block for a test ride and when coming back Into my driveway, hit the lip of the concrete between the end of the driveway and the street (like I always do entering the driveway) and two spokes pulled up from the rim. What if I was riding downhill and hit a bump going 30-40 mph? QC fails don’t just happen on “off brand” parts.... BTW, I enjoy your reviews and comedy!
They do, but handlebars are particularly critical, and these sorts of bars seem particularly dodgy. If you look at reviews on AliExpress there are several reports of this happening. Be sure to look at the "additional feedback"- often people will give five stars initially but then a month later they break. The other very strange thing is that there are very few bars on Ali where the product has been up for more than a few months. It's to the sellers advantage with a good selling well reviewed product to leave that specific SKU up, the number of orders and reviews is reassuring to other customers. Often to the point they can raise the price quite a bit over a new listing. But with carbon bars, they are all very recent. From what I can make out, sellers take down the product and re-list it when they get too many "it broke" reports. Now obviously they don't ALL break. But with something like this, that a substantial number do seem to break is too many IMO. I just went and looked on Ali now and I was able to find someone with a broken bar in the reviews within a few clicks. That's a problem. It does seem far higher than carbon bars from reputable manufacturers, I don't see this level of breakage reported with, say, 3T bars. I buy a lot of stuff from Ali, including other carbon stuff, I have a carbon seatpost that has gone years with no issues. But bars are just too much of a risk. At least this was a somewhat graceful failure.
blorg I see your point. I don’t see any other bars with same kind of design as this - very thin or narrow “blade” type of design terminating in attachment to a stress point. I can see why this fails at this point. If the bars were round or a wider oval, then there probably wouldn’t be a problem. When I received the first pair of bars, (I ordered two) I was concerned the stress point where the bars broke. I’m not a fiberglass or plastic mat structure design person, but I see where a problem could surface. My Trek emonda ALR, and Trek AL cyclocross bikes have “round” conventional Toseek carbon bars, one which I tested with varying weights up to 350 pounds from one side to the other, with the arm almost the length of the bar 440mm - 300mm length - moment was over 4,800. The bar didn’t break. I suspect these streamlined aero bars would not survive the same test. Being an Airline pilot (and a college background in engineering) I was concerned about the stress point. I would rather use Ti, (and Ti is MUCH stronger) but Ti doesn’t have the dampening plastics do (Carbon) and is more expensive.
100%. Work in a bike shop long enough and you’ll see QC failures from literally every name in the industry. I’ve seen failed Kestrel bars from when they were practically the gold standard of carbon bars; I’ve warrantied Zipp, Bontrager, Enve, 3T, and Specialized bars just the same. I’ve sent back Mavic, Easton, Bontrager, Roval, Zipp, and Reynolds wheels. I’ve RMA’d Shimano, SRAM, and Campy brifters. Name brands fail too.
@@eddeppe5957 I wouldn’t ride the 3T bars that these are copying either. A flawed design is a flawed design. I’d ride a “Toseek” or “RXL SL” one-piece bar/stem combo before riding this style of bar, because at least the one-piece ones have smoother transitions and fewer blatantly obvious stress risers.
A while ago they compared original ray ban with copies in different price ranges. All were 100% uv protective. Difference were in the quality of the frame. Don’t be scared by sponsored UV anxiety.
@@TraceVelo Actually all polycarbonate glasses are UV safe due to the natural property of polycarbonate to absorb UV light. Care about the real glass glasses from china as those are known to not use UV filters to save cents and are therefore a possibly dangerous product. View the chart in the link to see how different plastics do in the UV range. i.imgur.com/XLFeP6D.png
You could argue that china has more QA than Amazon these days. Amazon will gladly sell you scam products with matching high reviews to go along with them.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino I only wanted to replace the original set due to a crash... they didn't break but I just wanted to be sure. When I flexed the amazon ones I heard a loud crack. I eventually bought the original 3t bars as I love the profile of them and wanted piece of mind. To be honest tho the toseek copies I got from China are still in 1 piece and seem just as strong
@@billpickle2875 Yeah. People often think that branded carbon fiber is better than the Chinese stuff when...They're all made the same. Only difference is QA. A Chinese carbon fiber part that was well made will be as good and durable as a brand one. Difference is, you're paying for the brand on the latter.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino it seems to be the case. I have wheels and a frame that are excellent. However after hearing a loud crack I decided to remove the worry id spend the extra on the bars. I would have re ordered the toseek but the seller disappeared from ebay. I then saw all the rest of them as a risk due to the amazon set i got. Bars failing would be a complete disaster.
I bought the same bars. Put over 400 km on so far all good. Tried to flex and break them after putting them on and I still give them a test when I think about it. I think they're the most comfortable bar I've had so far. I also have used a carbon stem. They have a bigger clamping area than your average aluminum stem. I don't care what brand of part, I put on my bike, I will inspect it for imperfections. I think it is important, if I want a safe and reliable bike.
Plus marks for the honesty and the follow up on previous recommendations. Part of the cheapness is the buyer beware but its good that you brought that out.
Thanks Bria. I spent ages waiting for a decent sponsor. I have had some really naff offers, from like VPN companies and stuff, but Siroko are a budget oriented cycle brand, so i kinda thought it would atleast be of interest to some of you!
Trace Velo I’m proud of you! This is right up my alley because I, too, wear lab glasses as cycling glasses🤓 I hope you get more and more sponsors because you produce such quality content! Thank you!
@@TraceVelo Why is my reply with nuanced review about the siroko glasses hidden to other users? Just because I pointed out some negative experiences with them? Are you really censoring me?
I've just finished watching your crankset update video & I see that Hambini has also dropped a crankset failure video. Kismet?? Inquiring minds want to know. The reason I'm commenting in this video is that I'm looking for a bar replacement & wanted a refresher. After watching again, no one mentioned the stem used that led to the failure. Were there any sharp edges? Is the clamping plate holding the bar in the correct axis? By that I mean, like a bottom bracket, if the NDS & DS shell of the BB is offset just a little bit...this will lead to misalignment & major problems. Just some food for thought.
So, I got a Toseek handlebar for Christmas, and I have been driving with it for 800 km.. Now they are broken. It seem to be due to over-tightening the bolts (5 nm). Back to aluminium...
Great video once again Luke. Great to see you have a sponsor at last - hopefully the first of many, as your video quality/content is good. Appreciate your honesty with these busted handlebars too - just shows you need to aware of what you are actually buying, and take the risk with it.
Hi Luke. Because of you channel I've got the same handlebar, Sensah empire groupset and I am Extremely HAPPY with everything you have recommend initially. I've got many miles behind me now and I had no issues at all. My only concern is that you have converted and after the initial job to recommend cheap and affordable Chinese staff under the motor " the cycling is for everyone" you have been told off by someone and.... got changed. I really hope that I am wrong and you haven't sold yourself. I will appreciate if the next time you show us a broken part from a trusted company. I saw plenty of these. I love Toseek. I got many parts from them and I will keep using them because they are good and cheap. Best regards Dan.
Hey Dan, don't get me wrong I'm still all about that cheap Chinese carbon fibre life. I still have loads of toseek parts on my bike (my set of bars are still going strong), and in fact on my upcoming build, I have a new pair of toseek bars to install. I just think it's important to showcase breaks like these, because they do happen, and helps people make a more informed choice! So yeah not to worry I haven't sold my soul to specialised and Cannondale yet 😜
I’ve broken 3 carbon handlebars, 2 from crashes in racing and 1 from installation of cheap Chinese brake lever. It wasn’t apparent that they were damaged at the time but days later on inspection. Otherwise, the other ones I’ve ridden are fine. Have seen many carbon fiber frames and parts, snapped in other guys crashing though.
Me too, I bought a set of Chinese carbon bars, that seemed not to bad and indeed, I rode them for quite a while, then one day, I was on the hoods and my front wheel went into a small pothole.. The bars snapped off on both sides of the stem and down I went. By sheer good fortune, I wasn't going fast and fell off to one side but still sliced up the inside of my left forearm badly, had I gone straight down, it would have been far worse. Next step was a new Ritchey WCS alloy stem and bars... Spare a thought for my mate he had a carbon seat post let go on him... 2 1/2 hours in surgery picking all the carbon out and patching up a certain area of the body...
Thanks for your concern, no I wasn badly hurt, but certainly shocked...Who knows.. lol.... They were badged as “Time” carbon bars, and I thought them not bad ... but... always had that thought in the back of my head about if they ever let go. And carbon is really sharp! No stitches but some long deep gashes inside my forearm. Never carbon bars or stem again!
had the same exact bars put on the chinese bike i ordered a while back after 8 years off the bike.as a born again noob i crushed them a little with them stem but i was still able to stand infront of the bike and lift all 210lbs of me off the ground with the hoods so how those bars broke under a fraction of the force.shows a huge spectrum of quality.
Have used these for 1100 km so far and no sign of any issues. They are really comfortable, but annoyingly, Shimano hydraulic hose fittings don’t fit through the holes to guide them inside, so still have to run them externally. It’s covered in bar tape, so not terrible, it something of which to be wary.
Thanks for the review mate! My dad recently bought a Toseek handlebar as well and I appreciate it for you giving a heads up and honest review :) Edits: More gratitude :)))
Not limited to cheapo brands. I had an Easton EC90 31.8x700 flat mountain bike bar fail on the first ride. The instructions pamphlet's instructions on stem clamp torque said "use whatever is on the stem" so I did - 6Nm. By the end of the first ride the clamp had bitten into the bar. It was ridiculously flexy anyway, so I pulled it off immediately. Now I know 4Nm maximum.
I've bought and used a number of cheap Aliexpress carbon bits over the years.. saddles are superb (12,000 miles no issues), 50mm carbon wheels pretty poor... spokes broke all the time and struggled to stay true, and a set of bars that I didn't even ride out of my garage having fitted, they flexed like they were made of warm toffee and I snapped them with moderate effort (definitely below that of a hard sprint)! As luke says.. test it hard yourself before you trust it!
A bit off topic, but I have those Sirokos. The lenses are not that easy to change, it takes a bit of faffing about. The frames break easily above the nose bridge - mine did after a year and a half of use, and I changed the lenses only three or four times. The photochromic lenses don't offer a wide range of light transmission. In their highest VLT state they are in the S2 range and are definitely not suitable for riding after dark. And nowadays, due to the properties of polycarbonate used to make lenses, basically all of them block all UV, it's an inherent property of polycarbonate material. No coating or special treatment is needed. The real issue with cheap Chinese lenses is that they not always are of good optical quality - I have a pair that gives me headache after an hour due to slight distortions. Another pair is good in the center, but you can see distortion near the edges of the lens. Aside from that, they tend do scratch easily.
My personal favorite QA/QC sticker placement was on a Fatbike fork that had not one, but two sheared off bolts clogging up mount points. I am surprised whoever wrapped it didn’t flay their hand open on the thing jutting out. You’d think it would be a cheap brand, but it was on a $1400 Salsa frameset, so it can happen regardless of price point.
I had a pair of ControlTech aero bars fitted to my, then new, Cannondale 15 years ago. They split under the clamping area. After slipping down hitting potholes etc., I would tighten even more, not realising they had failed. Believe it or not I continued to ride on them for 7 years, and only discovered the cracking when tightening failed to work. ControlTech are a "reputable" company. I also had to return Deda carbon bars sold through Wiggle, after only 2 weeks the right drop cracked just below the levers when starting of after a pitstop. Deda, also a "reputable" company, as are Wiggle, and the ControlTech bars were supplied and fitted to my new bike by a very reputable bike shop in Chelmsford. It's carbon, meh! You takes your chances, Wiggle returned my 150 quid, the ControlTech bars were far too old by the time I realised that they were screwed. So if you're going to try carbon bars, go cheap, brand names mean diddley when it comes to quality. Plus of course, most of the big brands have their carbon parts made in.....🤔
You should do a video on cheap tools. I had a bad experience with the qkurt chain whip and cassette removal tools. Tools seem to be an area where you need to spend $ but would be interesting to see if there are some that work.
My mate had the fork break on his Cannondale synapse... cannondale refused to warranty the item😳😳😳... in other words they are no better or worse that cheap chinese products... basically once you have parted with your money you are on your own.... PS have just bought a chinese rim.... built my own wheel .... will keep u posted if it breaks 🙂🚲🚲🚲
Cannondale warrantied a 9 year-old frame for me a few years ago - they offer a lifetime warranty to the original owner. Very easy process, and a good experience with both Cannondale and my local bike shop.
Stephen Turk sadly in my mates case they refused to fix the fork even though the bike was less than 9 years old and he was the original owner.... something about his headstock had been to tight bla bla....🤔🤔🤔
My experience with Cannondale was about the same - the local bike shop (did not buy it there, but had used them and moved to that area) told me Cannondale refused to warranty my frame (so I don't know if this was a local bike shop's BS, or Cannondale's). I contacted Cannondale and showed them exactly the social-media sites and forums I would be posting my experience ... and guess what? A replacement Cannondale frame showed up at the LBS.
I've got a set of these and have been using them for the last year on my commute road bike. So far these not shown any signs of a problem after around 2000 miles. I'm not the most abusive to them, but I'll keep an eye on them.
I had a pair of k3s. They broke before the second ride while I was swapping lenses. I followed the directions and they snapped at the nose piece. I glued them back together to be able to ride that day. They wouldn't warranty them because they were "altered". Didn't matter that they broke first, the warranty was voided once they were glued back together. Terrible company, flimsy product.
Finally a new vid. Good to see you back in action! In all fairness and before all the anti-china carbon crew pulls in. Keep your snob comments to yourselves. If you can prove that any leading brand in the world of carbon cycling that hasn't experience some form of failure then sure but I doubt you will find a brand with a perfect track record. Ive got a Toseek carbon saddle, seatpost, stem and bars and have had them for over a year with daily use and not one a single issue or crunch after hitting a pothole.
Last videos you said that this toseek handlebar use UD CFRP. UD CF only works best when the load align with the fibers itself. If multidirection force introduced just choose woven CFRP type. Not to forget with proper R&D/QC company.
Hi New microshift shifters??? I wear the Arsis on my road bike and the Centos on my CX bike, both uses in national and UCI events, and are in the ultegra level!
Being a bigger guy (300lbs) should I buy another material of aero handlebars? I don't want them to break on me when I stand up on my hoods when climbing. Thanks people!
Ehm. Yeeeees. I'd just get a good vintage frame or modern steel frame if I were you. Personally I can say my Bergamont sweep aluminum, I think 2016 rim brake model, held up super well with 225-270 lbs me and alooooot of luggage. They make a roadbike with the same frame I think. My bike weighs around 12 kg with rear rack. Had a used Scott genius 30. 26 xc fully. Dirtjumped it. Broke 6 months after my last shenanigans. ... I'd go steel if not too pricey. Which is funny to say but now they only do steel as quirky niche option with no price advantage
Trace Velo That's awesome, the F1 is a great camera I had one for a while but it was stolen, sad times. You should check out cheap film off aliexpress haha, I've shot a few rolls of "shanghai" film off there and it actually came out surprisingly well. Cheaper to buy fomapan in the UK but still cool that you can get film on there too.
I saw broken Bianchi carbon Handlebar. So it seems to be more of a problem with carbon in generall. I stick to good old alloy. Mine are fine even after they hit the deck a few times.
I am owning one of them and I can say I am super happy with the quality and the fit. Especially when they are on offer like they are almost all the time.
Maybe this video is the reason that Toseek bars seem to have disappeared from Ebay :D EC90 are the alternatives at this pricepoint - appear to have a more gradual transition from the circular clamp area to aero section. Has anyone seen any EC90 failures? EC90 / Easton have been around for a while.
I purchased a set of Toseek carbon integrated bars through Ebay back in October and they looked great on the bike. Except that after about 400 miles, a cracked developed, interestingly an inch or so over from the right side drop. I was riding and the right side felt "spongy" (liked mentioned in the video). Made it home no problem, took off the tape and there it was. I would not trust this company, yes their product is cheap but that's what you get cheap quality!
Mine broke this week after 2400 miles, i think it was a pothole that did for them. I noticed when playing camera footage back that my right hand seemed to bob up and down when climbing, subsequent inspection revealed a crack where the cables came out underneath. I guess you get what you pay for.
For those of us that remember Thunderbirds we would call you glasses Joe 90 glasses. Good to get a review of glasses that are not possibly just fashion wear, as I get older the quantity of the lens is key to see details. As to poor QC of carbon components from reputable brands there are plenty of examples on at least 2 UA-cam channels.
Another banger! I had just bought some Vision Alloy handlebars ($20 US) for my new unbranded Chinese carbon bike, when I revisited your videos on your carbon bike build. I was then sad I didn't go for those Toseek bars, but now I feel much better about the situation. Congrats on your sponsorship, but let's keep those glasses stems OUTSIDE of the helmet straps. That's pro (so I'm told #allthegearnoidear). Also, as of this writing, 20 comments, but only 10 likes? Let's hit that Like button people!!!!
You said in your first video your frame is a Ridley Noah clone... Do you know what the other Tideace frames are clones of? Or where I can find that info? Thanks! Love your content!
Interesting review 👍🏻 but Velominati RULE #37 states The arms of the eyewear shall always be placed over the helmet straps. No exceptions. We don’t know why, it’s just the way it is
I had a similar Chinese carbon handlebar that also failed when hitting a huge pothole but that's interesting I had the same result that The handlebar did not separate it just became flimsy up and down and because I had double wrapped it with handlebar tape I was easily able to control the bike and get home safely. I always say if you're going to use Chinese handlebars you should double interlock wrap them as an added safety
I had a pair or toseek bars fail at the clamp as well after almost 2000mi. I bought another pair and the seller sent me the wrong color so needless to say I did love those bars but I have a light pair of FSA Aluminum wing bars and they are a bit stiffer but i don't have to worry about them failing.
Got the same bars (and same bike lol) and my bars have been great for 1000+ miles now, I'm 70kg so not so much POWAH as you guys probably. Good video though, love watching them :)
It's the headset nag again, no not that chestnut... what bearings did you replace yours with? Also are they lasting longer now you have done the headset with no gap at the forks?
I've bought these about two months ago and probably for 1500 miles but my bike has fallen over about 2 times and I've fallen with my bike once and they are still holding up surprisingly.
My identical Superlogic bars are still going strong. Infact, my whole Kung Fu bike built is still inpressing. Only thing I wasn't happy with, were the Prologo fake saddle. Now rocking some real Selle Italia.
I have. Bought some superlogic carbon sprint bars replaced one after a crash was not sure if to use after the quality seems to be good so stuck with the brand for seat post and other parts
i do have the same handlebars, with more than 4000 km mileage, no problems so far, and im pretty heavy, around 105kg right now, was at 120kg when i mounted the handlebars, gotta say the bars handled themselves very good.
Congrats on the weight loss! That is seriously impressive!
Amazing weight loss, congratulations! Keep it up!
Congrats on the weight loss! I had these handlebars when I was also around 105kg and no problems for around 600km. Then I got a new bike with better handlebars and never switched to these.
I think it's a QC issue, like he said in the video if they have lasted that long they probably are OK. Too risky for me, this _specific_ component.
My dad has the same handlebars as well. So far with 1000km on it and it still runs very well.
Looking at the failure, the design isn’t great either. To minimise stress raisers, the bars need a more gradual transition from round to flat. The cable feed hole is right at the high stress area, perfect crack propagation point!
If we’re to buy similar I the future, I would check the design more thoroughly. Thanks for the video, great job!
Yes, those shapes are "counter intuitive" when you look at it with a designer / CAE eye. But 3T is making flawless handlebars, so it's possible.
@@stephanelouvet1113 Many things are possible but you need to put an effort to it.
@@stephanelouvet1113 it's because they copy the shape from a brand like 3T but have none of the layup design that goes along with it. In some case they just throw carbon into the mold, I had a friend who had a knockoff wheel delaminate and it turned out they were actually glass inside even. That's what makes these things so sketchy.
I think you've actually id'ed the problem there. The feed hole was the final nail in the coffin. The transition is too fast in the shape as you say.
Glad to see Luke has hit the big time so that he can finally afford a bookcase in the background.
Thanks thetien! Those super basic IKEA bookcases dont come cheap! :P
@@TraceVelo and you actually figured out how to put them together which is probably harder than assembling an integrated stem on a Modone
@@TraceVelo can you please cut the bars up? Would love the carbon layup on the inside
Totally flexing
A few more subs and he'll be able to afford some books.
I've had a pair of these for a few years now and am really pleased with them. I'm a fairly big unit and they suck out a lot of the bumps of the road.
Did have them slip in the stem until I used carbon paste, though. (and I had the same problems routing the cables as you had... all good now, though)
To be fair, they were probably weakened from your immense strength whilst showing how strong they were
4000 miles on my Toseek Carbon aero bars now. Don't forget, even the big expensive brands also fail, spending big bucks is no guarantee you won't get a lemon.
A guy I used to ride with had a new stem break and it was from a premium brand. He crashed as was pretty badly injured. The company paid his hospital expenses and the damage to his bike as a result. That is one difference. You can hold a reputable company liable. The cheap knock off stuff, you are on your own.
@@DaveCM what company was it
They do, but the reports of failures on these are much too high for such a critical component for my taste. One really odd thing on AliExpress about carbon bars is that all the listings are new. It's of benefit to the sellers to leave a SKU up if it's a popular product, if it has a history and good reviews it will sell better. But most of the carbon bars up there are no older than a few months, and even then you can find reports of breakage (make sure to look at "Additional Feedback"- that's where they are, even on existing 5 star reviews). I suspect what happens is they take down and re-list when they get too many reports.
You do not see anywhere near this level of breakage reported on name brand carbon bars, you just don't.
@@jackenoph6422 expect no reply forever :P urban legend.
@@888899999888 No company will EVER EVER pay your hospital bills. Thats a complete hogwash story. If they did, they'll be accepting liability and opening themselves up for bigger claims and lawsuit. Not even after a crash, which is of course human error.
The juxtaposition of the failure - in relation to the "QC Passed" sticker is priceless!!! Perhaps the early shakedown testing on safety-critical items - such as bars and wheels - is best done on a turbo trainer.
"QC Passed" stickers are a lot cheaper than actually testing
I have had those Toseeks for 2 months and about 1100km and no issues so far, maybe I'm safe! Can confirm they increased the comfort and agility of my bike quite noticiably (not gonna lie, average 1,5-2kph more) so very happy with mine! I did put some really spongous and fat bar tape to help mitgate the bad roads we have here so not all the stress is filtered by the bars!
You're a cheap bastard. Purchase some actual handlebars. FSA.
@@ReneeNme i see no reason right now. if they ever fail me I'll just go back to the old aluminium ones.
I've had these bars for about 300 miles or so now with no problems. I'm heavy at 200 lbs also. Torqued to just under 5 nm. Love the feel of them. Hope I live more...
sir is it still good until now?
@@unknownjyra1356 Yes, is still strong.
@@DirtyCityMick how about now? im going to buy 1. Is that still good?
@@hunghaviet5040 Yes, it's still going strong.
Yes that's good that is the limit of the carbon drops 5nm torque
Hi Luke. Just a quick note to say how much I enjoy your channel. Your attitude and enthusiasm are refreshing. Too many people these days are squeamish about risk. Riding a bike is inherently risky, and you're far more likely to get flattened by a truck, than to come to any harm due to a failed component ! Keep up the good work.
As I've said in previous comments to your channel. You inspired my own cheap Chinese Carbon build for my own channel. Thankfully the only real issue I dealt with as of today was a slipping seat post. I've also had several sets of cheap carbon rims without issue. But I am constantly expecting something to fail and so are all of my friends. But I am glad I built the bike. It was a great learning experience if anything. Congratulations on your first sponsor btw! That's a big step for your channel. Thanks again for your inspiration and your continued content. I appreciate you.
I love how the sunglasses are a spot that he doesn't want to risk, but the critical parts of a bike, those are fine 🤷♂️
especially since most cheap sunglasses offer UV protection just fine, and you can check it if you want to be sure.
Pretty much all plastic and glass stop most UV rays...
You don’t cheap out on glasses. Your body has only one set eyes. So don’t break them.
Testing cheap critical bike components on the other hand is the main point of the channel.
If a bike part breaks, you can replace them. Your body however is irreplaceable.
So like he said. You really have to test it yourself and manage the risk. If you’re uncomfortable with using cheap bike parts. Then go for the well known but expensive brands who stand by the quality of their products.
@@iMadrid11 I'm sorry, but in my opinion, I'd rather take my chances with eye wear than my chances with a frame or bars or some other component. The risk that I see in a component failure is much higher than the risk in eye wear imo.
Why try questionable glasses if you have a legit sponsor?
Hi dude!
Actually I finished my "Alibike".
Like you, I tried to buy parts with low cost and good reviews from sellers.
I managed to ride a bike with the Groupset Sensah Empire.
I am almost completing 500 kilometers without major problems, except for a small gap between the stem and the handlebars.
Congratulations on your videos!
Bought the Specialized Short Reach handlebars (with 65 mm Reach) to compensate for my small hands and short upper body and honestly, ordinary aluminum handlebars are incredibly light.
I think it’s due to the damping properties and flex the bars give over rough ground rather than the weight. Good carbon bars are usually more comfortable over longer distances and make you feel less fatigued
Thank you for risking your life testing these products for us. You are a true hero Sir
the second failure happened to me too. 4nm and cracked where stem attached. so sticking with name brands within uk shops now.
It’s nice to know his name is still Luke
As always!
Oh, this is so funny. I just received the exact handlebars you are showing. Didn't even had time to install them and yes I bought them after seeing your previous video. I knew what I was getting into and I appreciate your effort you put into these videos. Thanks for your honesty.
I commented on your other video because I've got the same bars, rock solid still I might add. The gamble with all carbon/thermoplastics is the same no matter whether they're made by a reputable brand or not. Because of the nature of their construction there will always be units that have defects. The main thing is that no one was injured.
In addition, there are 4 bands of protection on sunglasses, UVa, b, c and bluelight.
I bought a pair of them K3 chromatic lens and I bought them at 10am on the Wednesday and they arrived in Ireland from Spain on Thursday at 1pm ....... I've had them a year and they are brilliant and cheap .... the packaging is truly awesome
one of you, Adam in Pembrokeshire ... wait thats me! woot! 15 seconds of fame.
Adam, my man! Thanks again for the email about the bars!!!
Different brand of Chinese Carbon bars, but I had the same issue with 2x sets that I ordered. Friends have had similar issues. But then other sets have been perfect.
Classic hit and miss due to them having poor QA/QC!
Pembrokeshire is an amazing place to cycle
Hello Trace and followers. I built the same bike last winter (same frame, FarSport Wheels, bars and Ultegra group set). Happy to report that I have put 3000km on the bike and it has performed well. I do inspect the bike regularly and do my own maintenance.
NOICE! Good to hear some more Chinese carbon success stories! Glad you found my stuff useful :)
Your videos were terrific and inspired me to take on the project in a long cold Canadian winter. I'm glad I did it last year because prices of components and shipping have gone up significantly.
After a few carbon bar failures of my own, I have gone back to trusty and reliable aluminum bars. The weight difference is really minimal and I actually like the more ridged feel. Yanking on carbon bars has always made me feel uneasy under hard acceleration, but with aluminum I can pull as hard as I want without concern.
Thanks Luke! For carbon,I recently bought a 2022 Canyon Endurace roadbike. Great bike,love it!......I watched a video about what goes on at their headquarters in Germany. I'm pretty sure Giant builds Canyon's carbon frames. Giant scans carbon parts twice for any inner weakness.............and Canyon spent 500,000.00 for their own scanner and they re-scan EVERY carbon part and frame they build bikes with..... Canyon does all assembly of bikes in Germany. Frames come from Asia and Canyon then builds bikes.....so yeah,there IS a difference between generic-ish parts out of china,and buying from a bike maker who is dead serious about quality....and yet,Canyon bikes are known as a very good value for what you get.
I have Toseek bullhorns and 2 seat posts and I’ve had no issues. In fact I was surprised at how much stiffer these bars are compared to my last set of carbon bars. I think they make a nice product and the price is right.
Yeah I still have alot of love for toseek parts. All of the stuff I have ever fitted to my bike from toseek has been totally solid.
I’ve got 3 pairs of these bars, they all work fine! One of them I’ve got mounted on my 2019 Trek Di2 SL7.
As for “QC”, name brand parts from large manufacturers fail too. Remember the carbon fork failures from Trek? ...lawsuits and recalls on this and many others from different manufacturers over the years, so “cheap Chinese bicycle parts” aren’t the only parts which can have defects.
Manufacturing defects happen everywhere, but there is a good point here: INSPECT YOUR BIKE!!!
Example: I inspect both my wheels and tires carefully (and the rest of the bike too, but especially the wheels and tires) before I ride EVERY time. On my DTSwiss RR22 wheels, I found several - 8 to 10 smooth cracks around two spoke nipples on the rear wheel. I rode the bike around the block for a test ride and when coming back Into my driveway, hit the lip of the concrete between the end of the driveway and the street (like I always do entering the driveway) and two spokes pulled up from the rim. What if I was riding downhill and hit a bump going 30-40 mph?
QC fails don’t just happen on “off brand” parts....
BTW, I enjoy your reviews and comedy!
They do, but handlebars are particularly critical, and these sorts of bars seem particularly dodgy. If you look at reviews on AliExpress there are several reports of this happening. Be sure to look at the "additional feedback"- often people will give five stars initially but then a month later they break.
The other very strange thing is that there are very few bars on Ali where the product has been up for more than a few months. It's to the sellers advantage with a good selling well reviewed product to leave that specific SKU up, the number of orders and reviews is reassuring to other customers. Often to the point they can raise the price quite a bit over a new listing. But with carbon bars, they are all very recent. From what I can make out, sellers take down the product and re-list it when they get too many "it broke" reports.
Now obviously they don't ALL break. But with something like this, that a substantial number do seem to break is too many IMO. I just went and looked on Ali now and I was able to find someone with a broken bar in the reviews within a few clicks. That's a problem. It does seem far higher than carbon bars from reputable manufacturers, I don't see this level of breakage reported with, say, 3T bars.
I buy a lot of stuff from Ali, including other carbon stuff, I have a carbon seatpost that has gone years with no issues. But bars are just too much of a risk. At least this was a somewhat graceful failure.
Example of what I mean, by five stars, but then look at the "Additional Feedback":
imgur.com/a/xahtRu9
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I see your point.
I don’t see any other bars with same kind of design as this - very thin or narrow “blade” type of design terminating in attachment to a stress point. I can see why this fails at this point. If the bars were round or a wider oval, then there probably wouldn’t be a problem. When I received the first pair of bars, (I ordered two) I was concerned the stress point where the bars broke. I’m not a fiberglass or plastic mat structure design person, but I see where a problem could surface.
My Trek emonda ALR, and Trek AL cyclocross bikes have “round” conventional Toseek carbon bars, one which I tested with varying weights up to 350 pounds from one side to the other, with the arm almost the length of the bar 440mm - 300mm length - moment was over 4,800. The bar didn’t break. I suspect these streamlined aero bars would not survive the same test.
Being an Airline pilot (and a college background in engineering) I was concerned about the stress point.
I would rather use Ti, (and Ti is MUCH stronger) but Ti doesn’t have the dampening plastics do (Carbon) and is more expensive.
100%. Work in a bike shop long enough and you’ll see QC failures from literally every name in the industry. I’ve seen failed Kestrel bars from when they were practically the gold standard of carbon bars; I’ve warrantied Zipp, Bontrager, Enve, 3T, and Specialized bars just the same.
I’ve sent back Mavic, Easton, Bontrager, Roval, Zipp, and Reynolds wheels. I’ve RMA’d Shimano, SRAM, and Campy brifters.
Name brands fail too.
@@eddeppe5957 I wouldn’t ride the 3T bars that these are copying either. A flawed design is a flawed design. I’d ride a “Toseek” or “RXL SL” one-piece bar/stem combo before riding this style of bar, because at least the one-piece ones have smoother transitions and fewer blatantly obvious stress risers.
@8:45 should have used clam torque 5N with carbon paste not 4N. I believe that bit too tight .
A while ago they compared original ray ban with copies in different price ranges. All were 100% uv protective. Difference were in the quality of the frame. Don’t be scared by sponsored UV anxiety.
Ok fair enough, interesting to hear!
@@TraceVelo Actually all polycarbonate glasses are UV safe due to the natural property of polycarbonate to absorb UV light.
Care about the real glass glasses from china as those are known to not use UV filters to save cents and are therefore a possibly dangerous product.
View the chart in the link to see how different plastics do in the UV range.
i.imgur.com/XLFeP6D.png
Well, that was a cracking good point of view. Thanks for being honest though.
I ordered a set direct from China and were fine.... bought a second set from amazon and I could break them by flexing them.
You could argue that china has more QA than Amazon these days. Amazon will gladly sell you scam products with matching high reviews to go along with them.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino I only wanted to replace the original set due to a crash... they didn't break but I just wanted to be sure. When I flexed the amazon ones I heard a loud crack. I eventually bought the original 3t bars as I love the profile of them and wanted piece of mind. To be honest tho the toseek copies I got from China are still in 1 piece and seem just as strong
@@billpickle2875 Yeah. People often think that branded carbon fiber is better than the Chinese stuff when...They're all made the same. Only difference is QA. A Chinese carbon fiber part that was well made will be as good and durable as a brand one. Difference is, you're paying for the brand on the latter.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino it seems to be the case. I have wheels and a frame that are excellent. However after hearing a loud crack I decided to remove the worry id spend the extra on the bars. I would have re ordered the toseek but the seller disappeared from ebay. I then saw all the rest of them as a risk due to the amazon set i got. Bars failing would be a complete disaster.
I bought the same bars. Put over 400 km on so far all good. Tried to flex and break them after putting them on and I still give them a test when I think about it. I think they're the most comfortable bar I've had so far. I also have used a carbon stem. They have a bigger clamping area than your average aluminum stem. I don't care what brand of part, I put on my bike, I will inspect it for imperfections. I think it is important, if I want a safe and reliable bike.
I've bought some Toseek non-aero bars. Let's see how the quality is... My celeste coloured frame is on delivery now...
Plus marks for the honesty and the follow up on previous recommendations. Part of the cheapness is the buyer beware but its good that you brought that out.
me, watching this when mine come in tomorrow:
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How are they going lol, did they break?
How are your bars going?
SAME LOOOL
Are you still alive? Planning to get this. But i think its not a good idea? Lol.
@@ziggycustodio still holding strong! I've had no issues. I used a proper torque wrench to install - highly recommend.
Congratulations on the sponsor!! Now you’ll look more like a cyclist and less like a lab nerd!😅
Thanks Bria. I spent ages waiting for a decent sponsor. I have had some really naff offers, from like VPN companies and stuff, but Siroko are a budget oriented cycle brand, so i kinda thought it would atleast be of interest to some of you!
Trace Velo I’m proud of you! This is right up my alley because I, too, wear lab glasses as cycling glasses🤓 I hope you get more and more sponsors because you produce such quality content! Thank you!
@@Bri-bl2nc THANKYOU SO MUCH!!! What an awesome comment, you've geniunely made my day!
@@TraceVelo Why is my reply with nuanced review about the siroko glasses hidden to other users? Just because I pointed out some negative experiences with them? Are you really censoring me?
Weird, I don't ever delete any comments, I always like to hear both sides of any argument. No idea why it wouldn't appear... ???
I've just finished watching your crankset update video & I see that Hambini has also dropped a crankset failure video. Kismet?? Inquiring minds want to know. The reason I'm commenting in this video is that I'm looking for a bar replacement & wanted a refresher. After watching again, no one mentioned the stem used that led to the failure. Were there any sharp edges? Is the clamping plate holding the bar in the correct axis? By that I mean, like a bottom bracket, if the NDS & DS shell of the BB is offset just a little bit...this will lead to misalignment & major problems. Just some food for thought.
So, I got a Toseek handlebar for Christmas, and I have been driving with it for 800 km.. Now they are broken. It seem to be due to over-tightening the bolts (5 nm). Back to aluminium...
Great video once again Luke. Great to see you have a sponsor at last - hopefully the first of many, as your video quality/content is good. Appreciate your honesty with these busted handlebars too - just shows you need to aware of what you are actually buying, and take the risk with it.
Hi Luke. Because of you channel I've got the same handlebar, Sensah empire groupset and I am Extremely HAPPY with everything you have recommend initially. I've got many miles behind me now and I had no issues at all. My only concern is that you have converted and after the initial job to recommend cheap and affordable Chinese staff under the motor " the cycling is for everyone" you have been told off by someone and.... got changed. I really hope that I am wrong and you haven't sold yourself. I will appreciate if the next time you show us a broken part from a trusted company. I saw plenty of these. I love Toseek. I got many parts from them and I will keep using them because they are good and cheap. Best regards Dan.
Hey Dan, don't get me wrong I'm still all about that cheap Chinese carbon fibre life. I still have loads of toseek parts on my bike (my set of bars are still going strong), and in fact on my upcoming build, I have a new pair of toseek bars to install. I just think it's important to showcase breaks like these, because they do happen, and helps people make a more informed choice! So yeah not to worry I haven't sold my soul to specialised and Cannondale yet 😜
I’ve broken 3 carbon handlebars, 2 from crashes in racing and 1 from installation of cheap Chinese brake lever. It wasn’t apparent that they were damaged at the time but days later on inspection. Otherwise, the other ones I’ve ridden are fine. Have seen many carbon fiber frames and parts, snapped in other guys crashing though.
Me too, I bought a set of Chinese carbon bars, that seemed not to bad and indeed, I rode them for quite a while, then one day, I was on the hoods and my front wheel went into a small pothole.. The bars snapped off on both sides of the stem and down I went. By sheer good fortune, I wasn't going fast and fell off to one side but still sliced up the inside of my left forearm badly, had I gone straight down, it would have been far worse. Next step was a new Ritchey WCS alloy stem and bars... Spare a thought for my mate he had a carbon seat post let go on him... 2 1/2 hours in surgery picking all the carbon out and patching up a certain area of the body...
Jees that does not sound pleasant, sorry to hear that. What make were the bars?
Thanks for your concern, no I wasn badly hurt, but certainly shocked...Who knows.. lol.... They were badged as “Time” carbon bars, and I thought them not bad ... but... always had that thought in the back of my head about if they ever let go.
And carbon is really sharp! No stitches but some long deep gashes inside my forearm.
Never carbon bars or stem again!
Love your content please don’t ever stop whatever you’re doing. Cheers
had the same exact bars put on the chinese bike i ordered a while back after 8 years off the bike.as a born again noob i crushed them a little with them stem but i was still able to stand infront of the bike and lift all 210lbs of me off the ground with the hoods so how those bars broke under a fraction of the force.shows a huge spectrum of quality.
Have used these for 1100 km so far and no sign of any issues. They are really comfortable, but annoyingly, Shimano hydraulic hose fittings don’t fit through the holes to guide them inside, so still have to run them externally. It’s covered in bar tape, so not terrible, it something of which to be wary.
Nice work on the sponsorship!! The specs look good! Also, another great, honest video!
Thanks Alex, much appreicated!!!
Thanks for the review mate! My dad recently bought a Toseek handlebar as well and I appreciate it for you giving a heads up and honest review :)
Edits: More gratitude :)))
The quality just depends on which 7 year old made them that day.
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I know this comment was a long time ago but just saying this happened to Hugo Hofstetter twice in the same race on Bianchi bars 🙄
Not limited to cheapo brands. I had an Easton EC90 31.8x700 flat mountain bike bar fail on the first ride. The instructions pamphlet's instructions on stem clamp torque said "use whatever is on the stem" so I did - 6Nm. By the end of the first ride the clamp had bitten into the bar. It was ridiculously flexy anyway, so I pulled it off immediately. Now I know 4Nm maximum.
You're spot on at presenting and cover a niech topic 👍 Congrats on sponsorship
Your videos have opened my mind to Chinese parts, and are also very informative. Keep up the great work.
I've bought and used a number of cheap Aliexpress carbon bits over the years.. saddles are superb (12,000 miles no issues), 50mm carbon wheels pretty poor... spokes broke all the time and struggled to stay true, and a set of bars that I didn't even ride out of my garage having fitted, they flexed like they were made of warm toffee and I snapped them with moderate effort (definitely below that of a hard sprint)! As luke says.. test it hard yourself before you trust it!
Well done on the Sponsorship Luke...a guest slot on GCN and now sponsorship.......what next for Tracevelo?
Can you do a video on your Elite Wheels? What model, what size, what price? I'm also thinking of buying from them.
Yeah this is coming in the next video... Its gonna be a BANGER so stay tuned!
Man, congratulations for the sincerity. Impressive.
I will stay away from cheap carbon steams and handlebars.
I love this channel now. saves everyone whole lot of trouble!
A bit off topic, but I have those Sirokos. The lenses are not that easy to change, it takes a bit of faffing about. The frames break easily above the nose bridge - mine did after a year and a half of use, and I changed the lenses only three or four times. The photochromic lenses don't offer a wide range of light transmission. In their highest VLT state they are in the S2 range and are definitely not suitable for riding after dark.
And nowadays, due to the properties of polycarbonate used to make lenses, basically all of them block all UV, it's an inherent property of polycarbonate material. No coating or special treatment is needed. The real issue with cheap Chinese lenses is that they not always are of good optical quality - I have a pair that gives me headache after an hour due to slight distortions. Another pair is good in the center, but you can see distortion near the edges of the lens. Aside from that, they tend do scratch easily.
for this, I like your channel you show me what cheap parts are good to buy
My personal favorite QA/QC sticker placement was on a Fatbike fork that had not one, but two sheared off bolts clogging up mount points. I am surprised whoever wrapped it didn’t flay their hand open on the thing jutting out. You’d think it would be a cheap brand, but it was on a $1400 Salsa frameset, so it can happen regardless of price point.
I had a pair of ControlTech aero bars fitted to my, then new, Cannondale 15 years ago. They split under the clamping area. After slipping down hitting potholes etc., I would tighten even more, not realising they had failed. Believe it or not I continued to ride on them for 7 years, and only discovered the cracking when tightening failed to work. ControlTech are a "reputable" company. I also had to return Deda carbon bars sold through Wiggle, after only 2 weeks the right drop cracked just below the levers when starting of after a pitstop. Deda, also a "reputable" company, as are Wiggle, and the ControlTech bars were supplied and fitted to my new bike by a very reputable bike shop in Chelmsford. It's carbon, meh! You takes your chances, Wiggle returned my 150 quid, the ControlTech bars were far too old by the time I realised that they were screwed. So if you're going to try carbon bars, go cheap, brand names mean diddley when it comes to quality. Plus of course, most of the big brands have their carbon parts made in.....🤔
This is why my toseek fork stays on the shelf and not on my hardtail.
I'm super sceptical about the quality.
Great video as allways!
I would be terrified of any carbon fork off road. I wonder about all these gravel bikes too.
You should do a video on cheap tools. I had a bad experience with the qkurt chain whip and cassette removal tools. Tools seem to be an area where you need to spend $ but would be interesting to see if there are some that work.
Love the content and the quality of yours videos. Happy to hear you have a sponsor and i hope your channel continue growing up!!!
My mate had the fork break on his Cannondale synapse... cannondale refused to warranty the item😳😳😳... in other words they are no better or worse that cheap chinese products... basically once you have parted with your money you are on your own....
PS have just bought a chinese rim.... built my own wheel .... will keep u posted if it breaks 🙂🚲🚲🚲
Wicked, yeah do keep me posted. If it breaks, deffo shoot me an email with some pics!!
You will have to sue them..
Cannondale warrantied a 9 year-old frame for me a few years ago - they offer a lifetime warranty to the original owner. Very easy process, and a good experience with both Cannondale and my local bike shop.
Stephen Turk sadly in my mates case they refused to fix the fork even though the bike was less than 9 years old and he was the original owner.... something about his headstock had been to tight bla bla....🤔🤔🤔
My experience with Cannondale was about the same - the local bike shop (did not buy it there, but had used them and moved to that area) told me Cannondale refused to warranty my frame (so I don't know if this was a local bike shop's BS, or Cannondale's). I contacted Cannondale and showed them exactly the social-media sites and forums I would be posting my experience ... and guess what? A replacement Cannondale frame showed up at the LBS.
I've got a set of these and have been using them for the last year on my commute road bike. So far these not shown any signs of a problem after around 2000 miles. I'm not the most abusive to them, but I'll keep an eye on them.
I've had my pair of K3s for almost 3 years. Lenses are almost bulletproof. Great system.
I had a pair of k3s. They broke before the second ride while I was swapping lenses. I followed the directions and they snapped at the nose piece. I glued them back together to be able to ride that day. They wouldn't warranty them because they were "altered". Didn't matter that they broke first, the warranty was voided once they were glued back together. Terrible company, flimsy product.
Finally a new vid. Good to see you back in action!
In all fairness and before all the anti-china carbon crew pulls in. Keep your snob comments to yourselves. If you can prove that any leading brand in the world of carbon cycling that hasn't experience some form of failure then sure but I doubt you will find a brand with a perfect track record.
Ive got a Toseek carbon saddle, seatpost, stem and bars and have had them for over a year with daily use and not one a single issue or crunch after hitting a pothole.
Last videos you said that this toseek handlebar use UD CFRP. UD CF only works best when the load align with the fibers itself. If multidirection force introduced just choose woven CFRP type. Not to forget with proper R&D/QC company.
I bought same bars for two carbon bikes.. Haven't rode them yet, so so far so good....
Your bar broken yet?
I wonder if toseek have become so popular that other manufacturers copy them.
I have that same. Made on that handlebar about 60 000 km (40 000 miles) Still works fine!
Hi
New microshift shifters???
I wear the Arsis on my road bike and the Centos on my CX bike, both uses in national and UCI events, and are in the ultegra level!
Being a bigger guy (300lbs) should I buy another material of aero handlebars? I don't want them to break on me when I stand up on my hoods when climbing. Thanks people!
Ehm. Yeeeees. I'd just get a good vintage frame or modern steel frame if I were you. Personally I can say my Bergamont sweep aluminum, I think 2016 rim brake model, held up super well with 225-270 lbs me and alooooot of luggage. They make a roadbike with the same frame I think. My bike weighs around 12 kg with rear rack. Had a used Scott genius 30. 26 xc fully. Dirtjumped it. Broke 6 months after my last shenanigans. ... I'd go steel if not too pricey. Which is funny to say but now they only do steel as quirky niche option with no price advantage
Hey..You promised a review for the new group set...Where is it???
Sunglasses UV protection is possible to check, there are especific machines to do that.and also gives you the exact level of protection .
You shoot film? I noticed the plustek box within the first few seconds, it's quite unique haha
Lol, great spot. Yeah I have an old Canon F1, haven't picked it up in a few months tho. Really need to get back into it
Trace Velo That's awesome, the F1 is a great camera I had one for a while but it was stolen, sad times. You should check out cheap film off aliexpress haha, I've shot a few rolls of "shanghai" film off there and it actually came out surprisingly well. Cheaper to buy fomapan in the UK but still cool that you can get film on there too.
I saw broken Bianchi carbon Handlebar. So it seems to be more of a problem with carbon in generall. I stick to good old alloy. Mine are fine even after they hit the deck a few times.
See if Siroko will let you test out a couple of their jerseys. They make some really cool looking ones that I've been tempted to buy.
I am owning one of them and I can say I am super happy with the quality and the fit. Especially when they are on offer like they are almost all the time.
Highly anticipated video installment. Ride safely on the road bro.
Yooo, very interesting sponsor segment. I genuinely like that.
Thanks Yvan! I really tried to make it interesting, rather than a bog standard RAID SHADOW LEGENDS bit..
They do happen to all brands, Deeda seat post failed with no warning. My Ali express replacement has covered around 15000 miles so far.
Maybe this video is the reason that Toseek bars seem to have disappeared from Ebay :D EC90 are the alternatives at this pricepoint - appear to have a more gradual transition from the circular clamp area to aero section. Has anyone seen any EC90 failures? EC90 / Easton have been around for a while.
I have the same bar. Ritchey superlogic is written on them. Riding these for over 8000 kilometers
I purchased a set of Toseek carbon integrated bars through Ebay back in October and they looked great on the bike. Except that after about 400 miles, a cracked developed, interestingly an inch or so over from the right side drop. I was riding and the right side felt "spongy" (liked mentioned in the video). Made it home no problem, took off the tape and there it was. I would not trust this company, yes their product is cheap but that's what you get cheap quality!
Mine broke this week after 2400 miles, i think it was a pothole that did for them. I noticed when playing camera footage back that my right hand seemed to bob up and down when climbing, subsequent inspection revealed a crack where the cables came out underneath. I guess you get what you pay for.
Mate you’re not a loser, your videos are super quality and very funny!
For those of us that remember Thunderbirds we would call you glasses Joe 90 glasses. Good to get a review of glasses that are not possibly just fashion wear, as I get older the quantity of the lens is key to see details. As to poor QC of carbon components from reputable brands there are plenty of examples on at least 2 UA-cam channels.
Another banger! I had just bought some Vision Alloy handlebars ($20 US) for my new unbranded Chinese carbon bike, when I revisited your videos on your carbon bike build. I was then sad I didn't go for those Toseek bars, but now I feel much better about the situation. Congrats on your sponsorship, but let's keep those glasses stems OUTSIDE of the helmet straps. That's pro (so I'm told #allthegearnoidear). Also, as of this writing, 20 comments, but only 10 likes? Let's hit that Like button people!!!!
very incredible about te sensah levers.
i got a pair of Micronew Levers and, i almost have them around 2 years with no failure yet.
You said in your first video your frame is a Ridley Noah clone... Do you know what the other Tideace frames are clones of? Or where I can find that info? Thanks! Love your content!
Interesting review 👍🏻 but Velominati RULE #37 states
The arms of the eyewear shall always be placed over the helmet straps. No exceptions. We don’t know why, it’s just the way it is
I already bought my handler bar. It is in transit from China now. :( Thanks for this video I will check the status of the handle bar every ride.
Yeah just take it easy for the first few miles, and keep an eye on them like you say!
I had a similar Chinese carbon handlebar that also failed when hitting a huge pothole but that's interesting I had the same result that The handlebar did not separate it just became flimsy up and down and because I had double wrapped it with handlebar tape I was easily able to control the bike and get home safely. I always say if you're going to use Chinese handlebars you should double interlock wrap them as an added safety
I had a pair or toseek bars fail at the clamp as well after almost 2000mi. I bought another pair and the seller sent me the wrong color so needless to say I did love those bars but I have a light pair of FSA Aluminum wing bars and they are a bit stiffer but i don't have to worry about them failing.
We're always enjoying your episodes Luke
Luke can you do a video on chains? There are some good looking cheap chains but should I buy those or is that not worth it?
Got the same bars (and same bike lol) and my bars have been great for 1000+ miles now, I'm 70kg so not so much POWAH as you guys probably. Good video though, love watching them :)
Thankyou!!!!! I was just about to buy a pair of sunglasses! Cheers mate, really appreciate it😭😭🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 Great content by the way! Love from Hong Kong
It's the headset nag again, no not that chestnut... what bearings did you replace yours with? Also are they lasting longer now you have done the headset with no gap at the forks?
I've bought these about two months ago and probably for 1500 miles but my bike has fallen over about 2 times and I've fallen with my bike once and they are still holding up surprisingly.
My identical Superlogic bars are still going strong. Infact, my whole Kung Fu bike built is still inpressing. Only thing I wasn't happy with, were the Prologo fake saddle. Now rocking some real Selle Italia.
I have. Bought some superlogic carbon sprint bars replaced one after a crash was not sure if to use after the quality seems to be good so stuck with the brand for seat post and other parts