It's terrible that the expanded Champions League is following this type of tournament. 36 teams but instead of dividing into groups, it's a 1 huge league.
Thank you, i was only reading what was said on twitter and was for it, i thought it's not a big deal. This video explains very well as to why i'm against this. This is coming from a Real Madrid fan.
If the European Super League had cut FIFA and UEFA in on the profits from any TV deal then it would have been a done deal. The money is the only reason FIFA and UEFA don't want it done as the would be cut out of the profits.
It's kind of falling appart atm so probably not going to happen. Several teams are busy pulling out.(Manchester United, Manchester City, Barcelona(through fan vote), Chelsea, Liverpool and Atletico Madrid) as of 20/04/2021 21.10 gmt I'm speaking for many football fans in that we will not accept that teams can lose and face no consequences and there not being anything to gain by winning. Also, why the fuck are Inter Milan in there? They're not a top 20 team in Europe. They're behind Villarreal, Lyon, Shaktar, Porto and Ajax ffs. Edit: Update 20/04/2021 21.56 gmt: All English teams to resign this evening, Real Madrid and Barcelona can also not play for this super league, it being against their statutes. Edit: Update 20/04/2021 22.04 gmt: English clubs individually confirming.
Inter had a slump from 2009-2010 season to 2018-2019 season where they really had issues with economy and winning, but they are back on track winning the league this season, being the team in Italy with the second most titles (behind Juventus) and tied with their rivals AC Milan for second most 2nd places (again behind Juventus). They are also the only team that have played all 90 seasons of what is today called Serie A. So yeah they had a slump, but traditionally they are one of the most known teams in Europe and the Super League goes more for brands than actual places. That said even since 2000 Inter have won more domestic, cup and European cup titles than Arsenal or Tottenham which isn't questioned the legitimacy of.
So, Super Leauge is just a bailout for broken clubs that don’t know how to manage money. They were growing in debt for decades and cheating other clubs from fair competition by buying all best players and putting them on the substitution bench, so they don’t have to play against them. They ruined many carriers just to stay relevant at any cost. Now most of them are on verge of bankruptcy and players don’t want to join it anymore, making competition harder each year. In conclusion, this is just another way of rigging the game. First they screwed other clubs, than they screwed the players, now they screwing the fans. What a parasite organizations, I have no respect for it.
Exactly! Also Perez claimed that 4 billion would have watched the Competition! That shows how deluded the idiots who attempted to form this are! It's no wonder they have made such a mess of their finances, with such a poor grasp of figures and such delusional thinking! 4 billion is more than half the population of the entire Earth! No one with the slightest bit of sense would think that anywhere close to that proportion of the World's population will ever watch football, never mind that just a fraction of the real total would have watched their shitty, plastic, airbrushed, elitist" European Super League", or whatever it was going to be called! "Three Countries, Lasted Only Three Days, Shit League", would be a more appropriate name!
@@wir154 Quite fucking right! The population of the ENTIRE Earth is just 7.9 billion and yet I have seen so many ESL apologists claiming that "billions" watch the likes of Man U, Real, Baraca etc.! NO THEY FUCKING DONT!
Champions league or should be call it more like FA champion league must be only belong to champions of each countries isn’t why they call it champions league like many years ago now 2 3 4 going to champions league now more like FA cups
It's like they're trying to make a European football version of the NFL. I just hope they include a draft lottery to the Super League. Imagine your club is just throwing almost all of the games for the season just to get the top draft pick. I used to be a Houston Texans fan. I've been through crap like this.
Sorry, this is a very long comment! Congratulations if you manage to read it all! Hopefully it addresses some of the suspect and in some cases, downright bullshit claims, supporters of the ESL come out with though! The amount of garbage I have read and heard heard from supporters of the Super League has been staggering! A few choice nuggets were (and these are not direct quotes, but the gist of what people have sad!), are: "Football is fucked already and UEFA and FIFA are corrupt, so people shouldn't be protesting about the ESL!" Really? I'm not saying that the current situation isn't bad, but you do not fix something that is broken, by breaking it further! You don't try and put out a fire by throwing petrol on it! If you have a cake made from earwax and bogies to eat, you don't make it taste better by putting icing made from liquefied shit on it! As far as I am concerned the ESL has managed to do something difficult and made UEFA and FIFA look good! "Four billion will watch the ESL!"-Florentino Perez. "4,000 million (4 billion) watch Barca, Real etc."- Some idiot on a UA-cam comment! Four billion is more than half the population of the entire Earth! Only a delusional fool would claim that that proportion of the Earth's population will ever watch football in total, never mind that far less than the true total of football fans would ever have watched the ESL! Certainly far less than currently watch the Champion's League would have watched it. The vast majority of people who would have watched it, already watch the Champion's League! However, large numbers of current Champions League viewers would have boycotted, or just not have been interested in it, either because their club was effectively excluded from it, or because they are against it in principle, or because they think it would be boring as fuck! Check out the protests from fans of included clubs, never mind the fans of excluded ones! "The "Dirty Dozen" have always been the top clubs in Europe!" Bullshit! Every one of them has had a lengthy barren spell in Europe and most have had lengthy barren spells domestically also at some time or other. I'm not saying they haven't all had successes in the past and aren't big clubs, but how many of them would be operating at their current level, without "financial doping", either by being bankrolled by billionaires, or by running up obscene debts! The "Big Six" have all had long spells without winning the English Title during my lifetime! Also Everton have won more Titles than 3 of them and, prior to 2005, with 9 Titles, had won 4 more than Tottenham (2) (and still 2!), Man City (2) and Chelsea (1), combined! "The "Dirty Dozen are the clubs that made football!" Hmmm! My club was formed in 1875! I thought that that was earlier than every one of the "Dirty Dozen"! Seems like they certainly didn't make them, at the very least! "Since Liverpool got promoted in the early 1960's, none of the 12 clubs has ever spent time out with their top flights. It has just been smaller clubs that have been relegated!" So it must just be my imagination that AC Milan were relegated for match fixing in the early 1980's and that in England, Man U, Tottenham and especially Chelsea and Man City, have been relegated since the mid 1970's! (City even had a season in the 3rd flight as recently as 1999!) "These clubs have the vast majority of support amongst all the clubs in Europe!" Really? So I assume Barca, with the largest ground in Europe and being one of this elite dozen, also get the largest average attendances at their games! _ _ _ Oh, wait a minute! It says here that Dortmund get Europe's highest average crowds! How can that be, when their ground holds 18,000 less than the Nou Camp and they aren't one of the "Sacred Twelve"? "No one wants to watch clubs from the "farmers leagues"!" Funny! I recall in 2016 a last 16 Scottish Cup replay between Hibernian (Hibs) and Heart of Midlothian (Hearts), played midweek, in the winter cold, on an evening when last 16 knock out Champions League matches were being aired on TV, which was more or less a sell out! How can that be? How can 2 "peasant clubs" from a "farmers league" (and not even the dominant Celtic and Rangers), get so many (and more than the last time Hibs played Liverpool there in Europe!), for an early round Cup replay, midweek, in the winter, when of course their fans should have been in front of the TV, gasping in awe, at Europe's "elite", playing in the Champion's League? "Tottenham have won 37 major trophies!" Look, if you are going to pretend to support a club, surely to fuck you can at least check your facts! Wikipedia is just one short click away! They have won 17, not 37! Even if you count their Charity/Community Shields and their 2 Second Division Titles, they are still nowhere close to 37! Yes they have won 3 European Trophies, but no European Cups/Champion's Leagues and just 2 League Titles (Their last one 60 years ago!) "The vast number of football fans in the USA and in the likes of China and India, mean that European fans of European clubs are a tiny drop in the Ocean!" Firstly, the USA has less than half the population of Europe and football (the original kind anyway!), is nowhere close to being the most popular sport there! Yes, it's true that Europe has little more than half the population of either China, or India, but anyone who thinks that far more people per head of population in Europe don't follow European football, compared to in those countries, is not living in the real World. A very high proportion of a lower number, can still be a large amount, compared to a lower proportion of a higher number. It's certainly likely that financially European fans, with their general affluence compared to most of the World's population and football being by far the most popular sport in most of it's countries (unlike in many countries out with Europe and South America!), contribute far more financially per capita to European football, than fans from any other part of the World do! Especially since they are far more likely to actually have a local tie to clubs from their own area! I am the first to admit though, that the "Dirty Dozen" probably still get a higher proportion of fans (albeit of suspect loyalties!) than they do in Europe itself! (Despite the fact that I have heard of/met some Japanese (and a Brazilian and US) Hibs fans as well as a Mexican, a US and a Nigerian Hearts fan!)
@@Lawand And that cash would soon going to dry up, when TV companies, sponsors etc. start to realise that just a fraction of the numbers who watched the Champions League, are watching the Competition! I know no one who says they would watch it! Football has become plastic enough, without making it even more so! I would also abandon my club, if they ever joined such a disgusting, elitist, plastic competition!
@@wir154 Exactly! Florentino Perez claimed that 4 billion would watch the European Shit League. Anyone who makes such a ludicrous statement, shouldn't be allowed to vote, never mind be running a football tournament! 4 billion is HALF the population of the ENTIRE Earth; and that includes babies, toddlers, people with no internet/TV, people from high population countries such as the USA and India, where other sports trump football in popularity, people who are football fans, but will NEVER watch an ESL (like me!) etc etc etc!
nothing about these 12 clubs is "founding fathers", they are just popular in the modern era. Man city was not even in this conversation had it been 2007
I’ve been following soccer ever since the World Cup, and have been really in to it. Is the Super League still going on this year because I haven’t heard much about it. If it does happen, will these teams still play in their regular leagues and their cups for their countrys like the fa cup?
In general I like the format proposal of the Euro super league which acts as an actual league table instead of a confusing champions league tournament format that’s bloated to the point it’s difficult to keep up with until you get to the knock out stages. The negative here is the idea of 15 permanent members who can’t be relegated is where it’s largely stupid. Personally if you are going to run that type of format invites should be given to the the five major league winners and their domestic cup champion winner equivalents to the FA cup. In fact given that you’ve separated a league of 20 into groups of 10 you could have the remaining 10 winners formed from a group American leagues and domestic cup champion equivalents. The winners of MLS, La Liga Mx, the Brazilian and Argentina leagues (I’m missing a league or country here but can’t think of it) and their domestic cup equivalents Boom, super league in which traditional powers consistently qualify and underdogs who win their domestic cups.
BIG BRAIN, I like it. I agree with most of what you're saying, it would be nicer to simplify these competitions. However, the big clubs won't like your idea because if/when a team like Real Madrid doesn't qualify for it, there's gonna be some major losses in terms of money. Those clubs have too much to lose to agree to that
The 15 teams that cant be relegated was the whole point. It was created by teams that didnt want to have to worry about relegation, after their bid to remove relegation from their domestic top leagues failed.
I was away and was a casual who watches only WC every 4 years, however, this time I somehow staid around and only learned about this the other night, the idea is thrilling tbh but the way they wanted to do is elite shit and absurd as hell, it needs to be fair to everyone with no one being safe from getting relegated back to their domestic leagues, but when we think about it a Super League already exists under the name of the Champions League.
I think the league is not needed but it would nice to stop the major league organizations from monopolizing the business. The league will create five additional spots for teams to compete in. It is natural for FIFA, UEFA, and others to feel the threat because they will not be able to have a voice in the management and creation. I am a seasonal spectator but I enjoy the sport over the weekends. I would like to see the creation of a new tournament. The real question is how this tournament is going to be differentiated from the others in terms of corruption. (Please people do not tell me told that there is no corruption in Europe; the Americas has a lot).
I want to see the creation of a new tournament as well. The problem is before creating the super league they tried to pursade the FA to let the premier league be a closed league like the MLS. That betrayed their motivation, being simply to ensure that teams dont have to worry about their financial position based on performance. If they had just tried to make the supercup without trying to ruin the domestic leagues first, my guess is it would have been more successful.
Perez should be honest and explain that this is happening in order to save Spanish and Italian super clubs cause as for now they cannot compete with English clubs.
pandemic era bring new solutions to ensure profitability in terms of human and money ...more contributions to club than nation, oppurtunity to fresh player replace main player who play in esl.
My thoughts exactly. FIFA and UEFA are feeling threatened with the idea of a new league that could challenge their own, so of course they will be completely against it
In European football there is this idea that anyone at all times can create a club and get to the top simply by winning games. There is also this idea that if you lose you don't belong at the top. A closed system will never be something that people in Europe will swallow. That is the number 1 problem most people have with it. Also, this idea that these clubs are just businesses like the brands in the US also doesn't exactly apply. They're a huge part of the culture so governments get involved. There is also the fact that this is a blatant case of slamming the door shut behind them. Manchester City in 2005 wasn't a top club. Now they are and want to slam the door shut behind them for any other rising team like Leicester City. Even Barcelona before Cruyff got involved wasn't that amazing. Same for Mannchester United in the 90's. Big teams rise and fall and to artificially stop that from happening just isn't something that is even slightly acceptable. As has been repeated plenty of times, Nottingham Forest won 3 European titles. Now they're in 17th in the second division.
@@kaueleiteantunes6451 if the fans are unhappy with it then no ones gonna watch it. The fans have known the champions League for many years, this new league was a bad idea from the get go
i dont understand why world is against it...it seems to me a good football league...barcelona and real madrid have been trashing other spanish teams for years...why the world is not interested in football among the titans of football?
because its a close league, clubs are cherry pick by past glory not by merit. for example if esl go ahead, chelsea and liverpool will be chosen, and if this season lei and westham finish in top 4, they will be left out. it only benefit those few clubs, and extremely unfair to the whole football community not to mention real and barc wanted this the most because they are very deep in the debt pitch because of years of financial mismanagement , giving bale 600k/week to play golf is just 1 of them. yet they want more money so they can give haaland 800k/week to play at real??? i am a chelsea fan for almost 30 years, i will ditch chelsea if they ever join this.
Really? When does the ESL start then? It's supposed to start in 2022 and there are just TWO weeks left of that year! Don't tell me I have blinked and missed it! I was SO looking forward to watching all those spoilt brat, financially doping, plastic, self appointed "elite" clubs playing each other endlessly and repetitively, in their elitist, airbrushed, dull, repetitive league! Who wouldn't? Certainly 100% of the people I know said they'd watch it! _ _ _ _ Well, if you remove the one from the front of those two zeroes, you get the real percentage of people I know who supported it, even amongst the few people I know who actually support one of the clubs involved! That makes another point though, namely MILLIONS of people do not support those clubs. Dortmund, the club with Europe's highest average attendances most years (despite having a smaller stadium than Barcelona and no doubt attracting FAR less tourist fans than them!) were not involved. in fact NO clubs from the Bundesliga (the league with the highest divisional average attendances in the World) were involved and Germany is by far the most populous country in Western Europe. Their clubs were not interested and, with their 50+1 fan ownership model, their fans simply would not stand for it and are unlikely to bother watching any sort of ESL! (In fact I have friends who are German football fans, as well as many Scottish and English ones, and as I've said NO ONE I know supported the ESL. Even my Spanish friend hated the idea!) Do the halfwits behind the ESL really think that all the vast numbers of fans of excluded clubs would be pressing their noses against the window, gasping in awe, as the supposed cream of Europe, have their private party, that their own club has virtually no chance of entering? Elsewhere, many fans from places with smaller leagues also, are more concerned with supporting their home-grown clubs, rather than the plastic, "elite" of Europe. The Dutch Eredivisie and the Scottish Premiership for instance, attract FAR higher divisional average attendances PER HEAD OF POPULATION, than those supposed "elite" leagues, of either Italy's Serie A, or Spain's La Ligia! In fact the later supposed "farmers league" I mentioned, despite being right on the doorstep of the Premier League, regularly attracts the highest divisional average attendances PER CAPITA in Europe! Yes, I know attendances do not count for everything, but they are a good measure of the genuine, loyal, highest contributing fans, rather than the lightweight, Johnny Come lately, plastic, glory hunters, of dubious loyalties, many of whom are probably watching the club they pretend to support on some pirated streaming service. Or if they do pay to watch them, are likely in many cases to be paying a fraction of what the home Grown fans pay. Basically there are THOUSANDS of professional football clubs in Europe. Why should a tiny fraction of those clubs, some of whom have been less successful, and/or have smaller home grown followings than some of the excluded clubs, be creamed off to form some elitist private members club, that huge numbers of even their own highest contributing, core fans will boycott?
@@ymg8057 Oh boy, you are so wrong in everything you said. The "bad side" is the FIFA/UEFA corrupt idiots. Most of the clubs that want this are not City or PSG. You will see an Super League to control the finances over tose state owned clubs and ensure the clubs have more to say in their business than a old-fashioned UEFA.
@@Ivanovic82 So which are the clubs do want it then? Please name some of them, out with the "dirty Dozen" ESL ones. There was not exactly a positive reaction from the clubs out with the "Dirty Dozen" when the ESL was announced anyway. Or do you mean the remainder of the Dirty Dozen ones? Also, presumably PSG, Bayern and Dortmund were invited to make up the remainder of the priveleged 15 original members, so why did they not take up their places? In the case of the German clubs anyway, it was probably because they are 51% fan owned and their fans would never stand fort it. Plus they probably knew it was an incredibly dumb idea that would attract far fewer viewers than the Champions league currently does. Quite simply the overwhelming majority of the core fans do not want it, otherwise there would have been protests outside grounds in favour of the ESL, rather than against it. (Plus I would know at least one person who was in favour of it, rather than zero people, given that I mix with a lot more football fans than the average person.) In fact, why don't you organise a protest outside the nearest club to you that tried to form the ESL, against them withdrawing from it, next time there's a match on and see what sort of reaction you get. The protests against it will pale into insignificance, compared to what will happen next time, if they ever try to re-introduce it, given that Covid restrictions are over, with people now able to legally gather in large numbers and also able to attend matches. As I've said, I do not know ONE person who supported the idea, or indeed supports the 2024 proposals for the Champions League, which are nowhere near as bad as the European Shit League proposals, but are still pretty bad and sound about as much fun as watching paint drying. (I suppose I'd rather watch paint than shit drying right enough, though I'd only watch it, if my club qualified for it. I would abandon them though, if they tried to join the ESL, if that was at all likely, which it isn't!)
@@ymg8057 The reaction from the public was negative because the project wasn’t presented well. Come on, don’t stay on UEFA and FIFA’s boat. Be a good person.
No it isn't. Loads of people will not touch this disgusting, elitist competitions with a bargepole. I think many of those clubs over estimate how interested the rest of us are in watching them! I do mot recall anyone I know saying they support it, but I sure as hell have heard plenty of rants against it. I personally will not be watching it, that's for sure!
as an american who doesn't follow sports I was very confused what was going on. thanks for the info
haha no problem
soccer is indeed one of the harder sports to understand.
Pro trick : watch series on flixzone. I've been using it for watching lots of of movies recently.
@Elias Mathias Definitely, have been watching on flixzone} for years myself :D
@@eliasmathias722 stfu
This one we needed thank you
Thanks for this. More of these simple videos will be appreciated.
It's terrible that the expanded Champions League is following this type of tournament. 36 teams but instead of dividing into groups, it's a 1 huge league.
Thank you, i was only reading what was said on twitter and was for it, i thought it's not a big deal. This video explains very well as to why i'm against this.
This is coming from a Real Madrid fan.
Thanks for watching and good luck to Madrid the rest of the season!
If the European Super League had cut FIFA and UEFA in on the profits from any TV deal then it would have been a done deal. The money is the only reason FIFA and UEFA don't want it done as the would be cut out of the profits.
Agreed, always all about the money sadly
A competition with limited competition. What's the point?
It's kind of falling appart atm so probably not going to happen.
Several teams are busy pulling out.(Manchester United, Manchester City, Barcelona(through fan vote), Chelsea, Liverpool and Atletico Madrid) as of 20/04/2021 21.10 gmt
I'm speaking for many football fans in that we will not accept that teams can lose and face no consequences and there not being anything to gain by winning.
Also, why the fuck are Inter Milan in there? They're not a top 20 team in Europe. They're behind Villarreal, Lyon, Shaktar, Porto and Ajax ffs.
Edit: Update 20/04/2021 21.56 gmt: All English teams to resign this evening, Real Madrid and Barcelona can also not play for this super league, it being against their statutes.
Edit: Update 20/04/2021 22.04 gmt: English clubs individually confirming.
Yeah I don't know who Inter slept with to get into the club lol, all for nothing i guess
Inter had a slump from 2009-2010 season to 2018-2019 season where they really had issues with economy and winning, but they are back on track winning the league this season, being the team in Italy with the second most titles (behind Juventus) and tied with their rivals AC Milan for second most 2nd places (again behind Juventus). They are also the only team that have played all 90 seasons of what is today called Serie A.
So yeah they had a slump, but traditionally they are one of the most known teams in Europe and the Super League goes more for brands than actual places. That said even since 2000 Inter have won more domestic, cup and European cup titles than Arsenal or Tottenham which isn't questioned the legitimacy of.
The best quote continues to be “You got some really big British clubs, and Tottenham as well”
So, Super Leauge is just a bailout for broken clubs that don’t know how to manage money. They were growing in debt for decades and cheating other clubs from fair competition by buying all best players and putting them on the substitution bench, so they don’t have to play against them. They ruined many carriers just to stay relevant at any cost. Now most of them are on verge of bankruptcy and players don’t want to join it anymore, making competition harder each year. In conclusion, this is just another way of rigging the game. First they screwed other clubs, than they screwed the players, now they screwing the fans. What a parasite organizations, I have no respect for it.
Exactly! Also Perez claimed that 4 billion would have watched the Competition! That shows how deluded the idiots who attempted to form this are! It's no wonder they have made such a mess of their finances, with such a poor grasp of figures and such delusional thinking! 4 billion is more than half the population of the entire Earth! No one with the slightest bit of sense would think that anywhere close to that proportion of the World's population will ever watch football, never mind that just a fraction of the real total would have watched their shitty, plastic, airbrushed, elitist" European Super League", or whatever it was going to be called! "Three Countries, Lasted Only Three Days, Shit League", would be a more appropriate name!
Manchester City be like: our money has no end. We don't get bankrupt
@@wir154 Quite fucking right! The population of the ENTIRE Earth is just 7.9 billion and yet I have seen so many ESL apologists claiming that "billions" watch the likes of Man U, Real, Baraca etc.! NO THEY FUCKING DONT!
Thanks for explaining
Champions league forever man, the hell with that super league!
Champions league or should be call it more like FA champion league must be only belong to champions of each countries isn’t why they call it champions league like many years ago now 2 3 4 going to champions league now more like FA cups
It's like they're trying to make a European football version of the NFL. I just hope they include a draft lottery to the Super League. Imagine your club is just throwing almost all of the games for the season just to get the top draft pick. I used to be a Houston Texans fan. I've been through crap like this.
It’s all about GREED.
Can you also make a video about the CAF Super League
Sorry, this is a very long comment! Congratulations if you manage to read it all! Hopefully it addresses some of the suspect and in some cases, downright bullshit claims, supporters of the ESL come out with though! The amount of garbage I have read and heard heard from supporters of the Super League has been staggering! A few choice nuggets were (and these are not direct quotes, but the gist of what people have sad!), are:
"Football is fucked already and UEFA and FIFA are corrupt, so people shouldn't be protesting about the ESL!"
Really? I'm not saying that the current situation isn't bad, but you do not fix something that is broken, by breaking it further! You don't try and put out a fire by throwing petrol on it! If you have a cake made from earwax and bogies to eat, you don't make it taste better by putting icing made from liquefied shit on it! As far as I am concerned the ESL has managed to do something difficult and made UEFA and FIFA look good!
"Four billion will watch the ESL!"-Florentino Perez. "4,000 million (4 billion) watch Barca, Real etc."- Some idiot on a UA-cam comment!
Four billion is more than half the population of the entire Earth! Only a delusional fool would claim that that proportion of the Earth's population will ever watch football in total, never mind that far less than the true total of football fans would ever have watched the ESL! Certainly far less than currently watch the Champion's League would have watched it. The vast majority of people who would have watched it, already watch the Champion's League! However, large numbers of current Champions League viewers would have boycotted, or just not have been interested in it, either because their club was effectively excluded from it, or because they are against it in principle, or because they think it would be boring as fuck! Check out the protests from fans of included clubs, never mind the fans of excluded ones!
"The "Dirty Dozen" have always been the top clubs in Europe!"
Bullshit! Every one of them has had a lengthy barren spell in Europe and most have had lengthy barren spells domestically also at some time or other. I'm not saying they haven't all had successes in the past and aren't big clubs, but how many of them would be operating at their current level, without "financial doping", either by being bankrolled by billionaires, or by running up obscene debts! The "Big Six" have all had long spells without winning the English Title during my lifetime! Also Everton have won more Titles than 3 of them and, prior to 2005, with 9 Titles, had won 4 more than Tottenham (2) (and still 2!), Man City (2) and Chelsea (1), combined!
"The "Dirty Dozen are the clubs that made football!"
Hmmm! My club was formed in 1875! I thought that that was earlier than every one of the "Dirty Dozen"! Seems like they certainly didn't make them, at the very least!
"Since Liverpool got promoted in the early 1960's, none of the 12 clubs has ever spent time out with their top flights. It has just been smaller clubs that have been relegated!"
So it must just be my imagination that AC Milan were relegated for match fixing in the early 1980's and that in England, Man U, Tottenham and especially Chelsea and Man City, have been relegated since the mid 1970's! (City even had a season in the 3rd flight as recently as 1999!)
"These clubs have the vast majority of support amongst all the clubs in Europe!"
Really? So I assume Barca, with the largest ground in Europe and being one of this elite dozen, also get the largest average attendances at their games! _ _ _ Oh, wait a minute! It says here that Dortmund get Europe's highest average crowds! How can that be, when their ground holds 18,000 less than the Nou Camp and they aren't one of the "Sacred Twelve"?
"No one wants to watch clubs from the "farmers leagues"!"
Funny! I recall in 2016 a last 16 Scottish Cup replay between Hibernian (Hibs) and Heart of Midlothian (Hearts), played midweek, in the winter cold, on an evening when last 16 knock out Champions League matches were being aired on TV, which was more or less a sell out! How can that be? How can 2 "peasant clubs" from a "farmers league" (and not even the dominant Celtic and Rangers), get so many (and more than the last time Hibs played Liverpool there in Europe!), for an early round Cup replay, midweek, in the winter, when of course their fans should have been in front of the TV, gasping in awe, at Europe's "elite", playing in the Champion's League?
"Tottenham have won 37 major trophies!"
Look, if you are going to pretend to support a club, surely to fuck you can at least check your facts! Wikipedia is just one short click away! They have won 17, not 37! Even if you count their Charity/Community Shields and their 2 Second Division Titles, they are still nowhere close to 37! Yes they have won 3 European Trophies, but no European Cups/Champion's Leagues and just 2 League Titles (Their last one 60 years ago!)
"The vast number of football fans in the USA and in the likes of China and India, mean that European fans of European clubs are a tiny drop in the Ocean!"
Firstly, the USA has less than half the population of Europe and football (the original kind anyway!), is nowhere close to being the most popular sport there! Yes, it's true that Europe has little more than half the population of either China, or India, but anyone who thinks that far more people per head of population in Europe don't follow European football, compared to in those countries, is not living in the real World. A very high proportion of a lower number, can still be a large amount, compared to a lower proportion of a higher number. It's certainly likely that financially European fans, with their general affluence compared to most of the World's population and football being by far the most popular sport in most of it's countries (unlike in many countries out with Europe and South America!), contribute far more financially per capita to European football, than fans from any other part of the World do! Especially since they are far more likely to actually have a local tie to clubs from their own area! I am the first to admit though, that the "Dirty Dozen" probably still get a higher proportion of fans (albeit of suspect loyalties!) than they do in Europe itself! (Despite the fact that I have heard of/met some Japanese (and a Brazilian and US) Hibs fans as well as a Mexican, a US and a Nigerian Hearts fan!)
Exactly! The arrogant fucks who tried to form this were unbelievably delusional!
Why do all the NBA players in the intro be really bright?
I dont think it can replace champions league
If ajax gets invited and they accept i definitely won’t support them anymore
They definitely will this will be their chance to play in a competitive league for the first time plus the cash they need
Netherlands could bring 3 teams into the ESL, Denmark 1, France 3, Czech Republic 1 so it’s not over yet.
@@Lawand And that cash would soon going to dry up, when TV companies, sponsors etc. start to realise that just a fraction of the numbers who watched the Champions League, are watching the Competition! I know no one who says they would watch it! Football has become plastic enough, without making it even more so! I would also abandon my club, if they ever joined such a disgusting, elitist, plastic competition!
@@wir154 Exactly! Florentino Perez claimed that 4 billion would watch the European Shit League. Anyone who makes such a ludicrous statement, shouldn't be allowed to vote, never mind be running a football tournament! 4 billion is HALF the population of the ENTIRE Earth; and that includes babies, toddlers, people with no internet/TV, people from high population countries such as the USA and India, where other sports trump football in popularity, people who are football fans, but will NEVER watch an ESL (like me!) etc etc etc!
I prefer leagues over championships. Maybe the could do the Super League each 4-5 years?
nothing about these 12 clubs is "founding fathers", they are just popular in the modern era. Man city was not even in this conversation had it been 2007
☠️☠️😂 damn straight this man Ain’t lying.
Good video man, I stopped watching football 20 years ago when it became like monopoly.
Best joke
Thanks for Explaining this I didn't understand the situation
I’ve been following soccer ever since the World Cup, and have been really in to it. Is the Super League still going on this year because I haven’t heard much about it. If it does happen, will these teams still play in their regular leagues and their cups for their countrys like the fa cup?
Nah the Super League got disbanded for now
K, thanks
In general I like the format proposal of the Euro super league which acts as an actual league table instead of a confusing champions league tournament format that’s bloated to the point it’s difficult to keep up with until you get to the knock out stages.
The negative here is the idea of 15 permanent members who can’t be relegated is where it’s largely stupid. Personally if you are going to run that type of format invites should be given to the the five major league winners and their domestic cup champion winner equivalents to the FA cup. In fact given that you’ve separated a league of 20 into groups of 10 you could have the remaining 10 winners formed from a group American leagues and domestic cup champion equivalents. The winners of MLS, La Liga Mx, the Brazilian and Argentina leagues (I’m missing a league or country here but can’t think of it) and their domestic cup equivalents
Boom, super league in which traditional powers consistently qualify and underdogs who win their domestic cups.
BIG BRAIN, I like it. I agree with most of what you're saying, it would be nicer to simplify these competitions. However, the big clubs won't like your idea because if/when a team like Real Madrid doesn't qualify for it, there's gonna be some major losses in terms of money. Those clubs have too much to lose to agree to that
What about EUROPEAN super league don't you understand
The 15 teams that cant be relegated was the whole point. It was created by teams that didnt want to have to worry about relegation, after their bid to remove relegation from their domestic top leagues failed.
Well said 👍
I was away and was a casual who watches only WC every 4 years, however, this time I somehow staid around and only learned about this the other night, the idea is thrilling tbh but the way they wanted to do is elite shit and absurd as hell, it needs to be fair to everyone with no one being safe from getting relegated back to their domestic leagues, but when we think about it a Super League already exists under the name of the Champions League.
I think the league is not needed but it would nice to stop the major league organizations from monopolizing the business. The league will create five additional spots for teams to compete in. It is natural for FIFA, UEFA, and others to feel the threat because they will not be able to have a voice in the management and creation. I am a seasonal spectator but I enjoy the sport over the weekends. I would like to see the creation of a new tournament. The real question is how this tournament is going to be differentiated from the others in terms of corruption. (Please people do not tell me told that there is no corruption in Europe; the Americas has a lot).
I want to see the creation of a new tournament as well. The problem is before creating the super league they tried to pursade the FA to let the premier league be a closed league like the MLS. That betrayed their motivation, being simply to ensure that teams dont have to worry about their financial position based on performance. If they had just tried to make the supercup without trying to ruin the domestic leagues first, my guess is it would have been more successful.
Whatever league they want to make.. mere champions league theme music can kill any other European league
from what I understand they might cancel the tour de france or it might start to get unpopular ..and frivolous !
is this still happening?
Perez should be honest and explain that this is happening in order to save Spanish and Italian super clubs cause as for now they cannot compete with English clubs.
I want Aberdeen, Glasgow Celtic and Glasgow Rangers in the Eurioean Super League.
pandemic era bring new solutions to ensure profitability in terms of human and money ...more contributions to club than nation, oppurtunity to fresh player replace main player who play in esl.
LFC can now walk alone
They should also get rid of FIFA too all together bunch of crooks you should look there first.
Ikr, they act like they own futbol
whats the big deal tho? can't those clubs do what they want? i'm not a soccer fan but i'm seeing this everywhere.
True but they've played in one place called league for so long and the fans loves they more years and all of the sudden they betrade them
Are you american?
My thoughts exactly. FIFA and UEFA are feeling threatened with the idea of a new league that could challenge their own, so of course they will be completely against it
In European football there is this idea that anyone at all times can create a club and get to the top simply by winning games.
There is also this idea that if you lose you don't belong at the top.
A closed system will never be something that people in Europe will swallow.
That is the number 1 problem most people have with it.
Also, this idea that these clubs are just businesses like the brands in the US also doesn't exactly apply. They're a huge part of the culture so governments get involved.
There is also the fact that this is a blatant case of slamming the door shut behind them. Manchester City in 2005 wasn't a top club. Now they are and want to slam the door shut behind them for any other rising team like Leicester City. Even Barcelona before Cruyff got involved wasn't that amazing.
Same for Mannchester United in the 90's.
Big teams rise and fall and to artificially stop that from happening just isn't something that is even slightly acceptable.
As has been repeated plenty of times, Nottingham Forest won 3 European titles. Now they're in 17th in the second division.
@@kaueleiteantunes6451 if the fans are unhappy with it then no ones gonna watch it. The fans have known the champions League for many years, this new league was a bad idea from the get go
I am mad. >:(
Man your account is 10 years old 0o0
The rich elitists league
i dont understand why world is against it...it seems to me a good football league...barcelona and real madrid have been trashing other spanish teams for years...why the world is not interested in football among the titans of football?
Players attending in the Super League are BANNED from competing in official UEFA matches (World Cup, Champions League etc.)
I‘m also adding: Inter Milan is not a giant, they are not even in the top 20 teams of Europe right now
because its a close league, clubs are cherry pick by past glory not by merit. for example if esl go ahead, chelsea and liverpool will be chosen, and if this season lei and westham finish in top 4, they will be left out.
it only benefit those few clubs, and extremely unfair to the whole football community
not to mention real and barc wanted this the most because they are very deep in the debt pitch because of years of financial mismanagement , giving bale 600k/week to play golf is just 1 of them. yet they want more money so they can give haaland 800k/week to play at real???
i am a chelsea fan for almost 30 years, i will ditch chelsea if they ever join this.
Maybe it against football for all philosphy ...my 2 cents
Because greed...
Champions League forever. By the way 5000 people died in India, due to covid pandamic.
But business continues.
It’s money grab league
First!
This is the future of European football. I’m sure.
Really? When does the ESL start then? It's supposed to start in 2022 and there are just TWO weeks left of that year! Don't tell me I have blinked and missed it! I was SO looking forward to watching all those spoilt brat, financially doping, plastic, self appointed "elite" clubs playing each other endlessly and repetitively, in their elitist, airbrushed, dull, repetitive league! Who wouldn't? Certainly 100% of the people I know said they'd watch it! _ _ _ _ Well, if you remove the one from the front of those two zeroes, you get the real percentage of people I know who supported it, even amongst the few people I know who actually support one of the clubs involved!
That makes another point though, namely MILLIONS of people do not support those clubs. Dortmund, the club with Europe's highest average attendances most years (despite having a smaller stadium than Barcelona and no doubt attracting FAR less tourist fans than them!) were not involved. in fact NO clubs from the Bundesliga (the league with the highest divisional average attendances in the World) were involved and Germany is by far the most populous country in Western Europe. Their clubs were not interested and, with their 50+1 fan ownership model, their fans simply would not stand for it and are unlikely to bother watching any sort of ESL! (In fact I have friends who are German football fans, as well as many Scottish and English ones, and as I've said NO ONE I know supported the ESL. Even my Spanish friend hated the idea!) Do the halfwits behind the ESL really think that all the vast numbers of fans of excluded clubs would be pressing their noses against the window, gasping in awe, as the supposed cream of Europe, have their private party, that their own club has virtually no chance of entering? Elsewhere, many fans from places with smaller leagues also, are more concerned with supporting their home-grown clubs, rather than the plastic, "elite" of Europe. The Dutch Eredivisie and the Scottish Premiership for instance, attract FAR higher divisional average attendances PER HEAD OF POPULATION, than those supposed "elite" leagues, of either Italy's Serie A, or Spain's La Ligia! In fact the later supposed "farmers league" I mentioned, despite being right on the doorstep of the Premier League, regularly attracts the highest divisional average attendances PER CAPITA in Europe! Yes, I know attendances do not count for everything, but they are a good measure of the genuine, loyal, highest contributing fans, rather than the lightweight, Johnny Come lately, plastic, glory hunters, of dubious loyalties, many of whom are probably watching the club they pretend to support on some pirated streaming service. Or if they do pay to watch them, are likely in many cases to be paying a fraction of what the home Grown fans pay.
Basically there are THOUSANDS of professional football clubs in Europe. Why should a tiny fraction of those clubs, some of whom have been less successful, and/or have smaller home grown followings than some of the excluded clubs, be creamed off to form some elitist private members club, that huge numbers of even their own highest contributing, core fans will boycott?
@@ymg8057 Oh boy, you are so wrong in everything you said. The "bad side" is the FIFA/UEFA corrupt idiots. Most of the clubs that want this are not City or PSG. You will see an Super League to control the finances over tose state owned clubs and ensure the clubs have more to say in their business than a old-fashioned UEFA.
@@Ivanovic82 So which are the clubs do want it then? Please name some of them, out with the "dirty Dozen" ESL ones. There was not exactly a positive reaction from the clubs out with the "Dirty Dozen" when the ESL was announced anyway. Or do you mean the remainder of the Dirty Dozen ones? Also, presumably PSG, Bayern and Dortmund were invited to make up the remainder of the priveleged 15 original members, so why did they not take up their places? In the case of the German clubs anyway, it was probably because they are 51% fan owned and their fans would never stand fort it. Plus they probably knew it was an incredibly dumb idea that would attract far fewer viewers than the Champions league currently does.
Quite simply the overwhelming majority of the core fans do not want it, otherwise there would have been protests outside grounds in favour of the ESL, rather than against it. (Plus I would know at least one person who was in favour of it, rather than zero people, given that I mix with a lot more football fans than the average person.) In fact, why don't you organise a protest outside the nearest club to you that tried to form the ESL, against them withdrawing from it, next time there's a match on and see what sort of reaction you get.
The protests against it will pale into insignificance, compared to what will happen next time, if they ever try to re-introduce it, given that Covid restrictions are over, with people now able to legally gather in large numbers and also able to attend matches. As I've said, I do not know ONE person who supported the idea, or indeed supports the 2024 proposals for the Champions League, which are nowhere near as bad as the European Shit League proposals, but are still pretty bad and sound about as much fun as watching paint drying. (I suppose I'd rather watch paint than shit drying right enough, though I'd only watch it, if my club qualified for it. I would abandon them though, if they tried to join the ESL, if that was at all likely, which it isn't!)
@@ymg8057 The reaction from the public was negative because the project wasn’t presented well. Come on, don’t stay on UEFA and FIFA’s boat. Be a good person.
No it isn't. Loads of people will not touch this disgusting, elitist competitions with a bargepole. I think many of those clubs over estimate how interested the rest of us are in watching them! I do mot recall anyone I know saying they support it, but I sure as hell have heard plenty of rants against it. I personally will not be watching it, that's for sure!
Can you also make a video about the CAF Super League