@HONEST MAN UTD FAN yes clearly your a Man United fan you r not going to say that City has the better coach but if you look Pep since his started coaching what he has done you can't compare it to klopp
@@Ragnar850 Pep is swimming in his oil money while klopp has a more rigid budget in all his teams. Pep has gone to three world class teams with lots of money, while klopp started at little mainz, somehow got promoted, went to dortmund who were crap at the time, somehow won the champions league, then went to a struggling liverpool and turned them around too. Don't just compare the results, look at the process too idiot edit: klopp didn't win cl, got dortmund to the finals
I'm a Liverpool fan, and I would say Pep gets a lot of stick for managing big clubs. Managing big clubs aint easy. We have seen managers failing at big clubs. Pep has objectively proved that he's a genius man manager and a tactical powerhouse. He's surely one of the best ever. And for Jurgen Klopp he's just my all time favourite manager ever. The sheer passion he exudes on the pitch is just incomparable. Love the man to bits. Can't really compare the two. We're lucky to see them both compete against each other.
I 100% agree with everything you've said, but I'd argue that having success managing big clubs with unlimited spending and loaded with talent isn't enough evidence and the talent and depth of the bench alone can carry a manager. Zinedine Zidane was a manager for less than 2.5 years and won 3 Champions Leagues with Real Madrid, but I wouldn't consider him one of the best managers in the world.
Well I’m an arsenal fan and believe klopp is a better manager. Don’t get me wrong, pep is an absolute legend and one of the best manager of all time. However he hasn’t won a UCL in 11 years and has been the favourite to win it for the last 3 or 4 years
1:16 ''1 title in 30 years'' obviously he means Liverpool as a whole but they way he says it implies that Klopp has managed LFC for all this time. So to be factual, 1 title in 5 years.
Kompany single handedly won 2 Premier League titles with scoring match winning goals against SAF’s united and a 40 yard screamer. Don’t think VVD has ever done that, but how could he he’s only won 1 PL😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
End of the day Pep is cheque book club 💰, give that money to Jurgen klopp he will win the Premier league and champions league in a row but No matter whatever i love it when Man United are crying
Its weird because loads of liverpool fans hate man city fans and vice versa, some of them mock Hillsborough man city fans so its abit strange tbh, and if one team goes on to dominate over the coming years they will hate them as much as man united 😂
@@Johndoe-gf7eu Liverpool are a good team so hate other good teams. If City carry on being good, we will hate them. If Utd carry on being awful we have no business with them.
Let's be real... every fan would like to have a manager like Klopp. Rival fans may not like him because he manages a another team but if he was at your club, you would love him. Every last one of you.
If Klopp lost to Spurs in the champions league he would've been sacked, which then wouldn't have have stolen the premiership. Liverpool had every ref and the fa on their side that season.
@@sauravkumarnanda3193 klopp can go to city and win everything pep could not manage Liverpool and do what klopp has done no chance . The proof is there . Klopp is on another level
One of the best agree to disagree episode ever. they really agree to disagree. they are both so happy for each other. wonderful to watch. no hate no stupidity.
If you want to make 'pound for pound' literal.... then Klopp has spent only £200k per point won in the PL - Pep has spent £650K per point won - and that's on top of the league winning side he inherited. Klopp is clearly the better manager for every single club who isn't backed by a country
Klopp has 1 more season bozo, Even if they spent the same money, Klopp would still be on top just cause he has 1 more season. For all those who saying Klopp doesn’t need to spend to win trophies, for his first trophy he needed to spend 130 million plus net
@@kanchan3312 what he meant by that was he doesn't like a big squad of egos who think they're better than everyone else and deserves more. that's why the fekir deal broke down for eg. he wants the whole squad and club to feel like one family and everyone's got a role. and, for this specific scenario, money does matter cos the question is pound for pound. give Pep 8 mil relegated Robertson from Hull and 5mil relegated shaqiri from Stoke and he wouldn't win the UCL the next season. Klopp did. you could argue forever who's the better coach, but manager POUND for POUND is definitely without a doubt Jürgen Klopp
"The season you won the league, you spent more money than anyone has in one window." Liverpool won the league in 2019/20 and spent £10m in the window on Minamino, Elliot, Adrian and Van Der Berg. Man City has spent £100-200m almost every window... what on earth is he on about?
Yes you fool hes talking about the window before you won the league, you know the one where you spent 164mil after spending 150 the year before. Hence his point that you won that season of the back of heavy investment. Wouldnt make any sense for him to reference the window after the success would it.
He’s simply saying Liverpool was breaking transfer records and that got them to a final and got them a league trophy.. how is that hard to understand, the records are there to show 😏
so Real madrid dont deserve their titles because they spent money on those UCL and laliga titles, same with barca titles when pep was there too! those big clubs spent money lol
@@dylan2961_ oh well….. that alone does not make you a better player you know it and I know it… Consistency it’s pretty much the deciding factor for me and van dike has not Done it long enough for me granted he’s been injured but vinny but then again vinny also struggled with injury in the later stages of his city career and he still stepped up and was the commanding force no matter what…but time will only tell if you wonna talk rationally about it… both players are/was amazing either way
@@dylan2961_ was Djimi Traore a better player than Joao Cancelo? Because he won the UCL. Was Michele Padovano a better player than Alan Shearer? He also won the UCL. Your argument is complete bullshit
The city lad at one point said Klopp can only win with big money as well. He should inform himself on the situation Dortmund were in when Klopp came. They were almost bankcrupt and nowwhere near competing for international football not even speaking about trophies. Then he won the league twice over Bayern with a team of nobodies and youth products and even led them to the Champions League final. He won titles without loads of money, that's a fact.
What is Big Steve saying? The year Liverpool won the league was 19/20, they spent 10m on Minamino and Van den Berg. Unless he is including the season before which was Fabinho, Alisson and Keita which totalled 180m. Man City have spent 300m in one season. So not sure what he is on about there.
@@BigSteveMcfc OK fair enough Steve but u can't forget we sold coutinho for 142 million so we recouped the money. That's like city forced to sell KDB to spend... same concept
@@BigSteveMcfc didnt you spend 200 million in one summer window and buy laporte for 60 odd. What is an Outlier spending for Liverpool (primarily due to the Coutinho money) is norm for City
Klopp took a financially struggling Mainz into the top division for the first time in their history. He then took over Dortmund despite being a second division manager and ended Bayern's dominance and won two in a row, and reached the Champions League final. That's the part a lot of people don't know, everyone knows what he has done at Liverpool. (Edit): Klopp stayed at Mainz for three seasons after getting them promoted, tipped for relegation every season. Still struggling financially, Mainz finished mid table the first two seasons, and eventually went down the third.
Klopp's Mainz also battered Rafa's Liverpool in a pre-season game during those years, doesn't mean much but that's when I first remember hearing Klopp's name
Graham Potter took Ostersunds to the 1st Swedish division from the 4th division in 4 years, beat Arsenal at the emirates in Europa league and managed to win the domestic cup with them in 2017, in 7 years he got a 4th division club to the top for the first time ever and won a trophy too. Are people seeing that and also what he’s doing at Brighton and saying he’s the best manager in the world, better than Pep because no one else could do that job? Pep started at big clubs cos he was good enough for big clubs early on.
@@user-io8cm4dk1f I'm not going to take it as you're being serious, but I'm still going to argue my point. Do you *really* think Sweden compares to Germany and England? Do you think winning the Swedish first division and doing ok in the Europa League compares to winning back-to-back Bundesligas and reaching the Champions League final with the team he had?
@@dhaw97 listen to me. People saying Klopp is better than Pep due to his accomplishments at lower league teams. But the fact is that Pep was at big clubs from the start, obviously there’s a reason for that. And of course I’m not being serious about Potter being the best in the world, but he is a fantastic manager. My point is that what he did in Sweden is bigger than what Klopp accomplished at Mainz, he got back to back promotions with them, I repeat 3 promotions in 4 years, with a team never been in the top flight, them won a trophy with them and look at what he’s done at Brighton. You see how irrelevant the accomplishments in Sweden feel? Then why now that Klopp has won big trophies are people using his small accomplishments to say he’s the best in the world? That’s like for a player, saying he’s the best in the world cos he did it as smaller teams with worse managers and players around them. I’m not against the argument of Klopp>Pep, IMO Pep is better but it’s close, but you can’t use his accomplishments at Mainz, and also can’t use the argument that Pep couldn’t do what he did at Liverpool, cos no one could do what Dyche is doing/has done at Burnley, same for Potter and Ostersunds and Brighton, not many top managers could do those jobs either.
“Those Mickey Mouse cups over seas” if City ever win the CL I bet the world club cup will no longer be a Mickey Mouse cup overseas. Good watch though, enjoyed both of them
As an Evertonian, I have to agree with the Red about Klopp being a better manager. I've always said give Pep a club that needs building and let's see how good he is.
@@eralpkzloglu1343 LOL. bernado silva was so highly rated after his monaco campaign. Sane, madrid wanted him too. Gundogan such a great midfielders, Walker 50m, Mendy 50m, Dias etc. Are u taking the piss? Klopp has like Robertson, Trent. All of City's players were after by big clubs. None for Liverpool's.
@@footballminds3706 wtf blind pooler What about Van Dijk?? What about Alisson ,one of the most expensive Cb and GK signings in Pl. The fuck?? You drink piss for lunch?? I can go on and on. And no im no Cityzen.
@@kichchacultz Please don't. Instead, of going on and on (believe us we can imagine), go and check the positions in the Premiership net spend table-of Liverpool (a club where ends must be made to meet) and City (a club backed by a sovereign wealth fund, whose unlimited budget extends to being able to circumvent FFP by throwing its weight around). Klopp isn't in the top half.
@@kichchacultz im not a lpool fan. do u have a brain? klopp only bought established players after reaching UCL final. pep spent loads in his first 2 man city seasons and he alrdy had a stacked team, bar wing backs.
This argument is so dumb. Why should the best manager, manage a small club? It just makes no sense. Just because Pep didnt need to manage a small club at first and then go to a big club, doesnt take away what hes done with these big clubs.
As a united fan For me klopp is clear of pep no debate both are absolute quality but the money pep has had in comparison to klopp is crazy.. bad time being a united fan aye🤦♀️
The debate is klopp vs pep? And from a financial stand point pep has had a lot more backing hence my point 👆no one knows more than united fans the club is run very badly with stupid wages and signings 👍
@@atharvasawant467 Only that Klopp also knows how to spend.. probably better than Pep too.. look at Salah, Jota, Robbo etc. Pep spent 40 mil on Nathan Ake, 33 mil on ferran torres, 100 mil on an underwhelming Grealish etc..
Hold the phone, did that man City fan just say when Liverpool won the league he spent the most money in a window ever???? Why has he not been called out on this blatant lie
@@dangling-donk the window before the win we only signed minamino (7m), the window before that we signed harvey Elliott and adriad (10m) where are you getting these numbers from 😂😂
It's almost impossible to compare Klopp and Pep. Pep is after perfection. He's mostly interested in achieving his ideal football, so he's not gonna settle for lesser players. Klopp also wants to win but he seems more interested in development and unity. Pep definitely has the ability to coach small budget teams but his ambition and temperament will never let him.
@@mainsxo What a weird comment to make as Liverpool prepare for a Carabao Cup final. I'm assuming you won't be celebrating if Liverpool win then? Would be a bit embarrassing if you did by your logic.
@@matthewchampion8214 he's responding to the City fans comment about Mickey Mouse cups, but probably misunderstood that the city fan was referring to Club World Cup and Uefa Super Cup
@@zoheabaleem Nah this is pure fan bias.... Van Dijk has better passing and better ball playing abilities... Better defensive organization and better positional play...Laporte's first season in City is better than Kompany years at City based on individual performances... I know Laporte hasn't been quite the same but that Laporte first season was better than any Kompany in a City shirt and that wasn't even close to Van Dijk level... Van Dijk might have been around for 3 years as you claimed but Kompany never made City look like a team that could stop conceding goals and that's what VVD has done at Liverpool given how bad thier defensive record was before he arrived, and that's what Dias did last season (and that wasn't anywhere close to VVD's level)
3:34 “the season you won the league you spent more than anyone else in one window”, I think you’ll find in the 19/20 season we bought two players in both summer and January. Those two players being sepp van den berg for around 2 mil, and minamino for 7 ish mil. Talking out his arse. We’ve actually spent hardly anything compared to other top 6 clubs in the past few years.
@@JoeyNeezer no. 17/18 season. January: We sold Phil bought VVD. next season 18/19. We spend the most under Jürgen (Fabinho Shaq Ali Naby). But we got rid of some deadwood as well. (That season we finished second and won the UCL) 19/20. Only Minamino came (i mean to be in the rotation for only 8.8 million). That guy made a false statement there about us spending big BUT i dont blame him he is not an LFC fan so he got it mixed up.
Pep’s had a silver spoon in his mouth his whole managerial career mate😂 Klopp took a £30 million Egyptian right winger and made him better then £300 million of city attackers combined
When Liverpool won the league Liverpool only bought Harvey Elliott in the summer window of the 19-20 season and Taki Minamino in the January transfer window, so the spending big money notion doesn't stand up. Van Dijk and Alisson was bought in the transfer windows of January 18 and June 18 respectively!
Everyone knows Klopp spent money. Liverpool are not a poor club at all, but "compared to Pep" is the question. How does it keep evading people's heads? "oh hurr durr Klopp too spent money"... Yeah, that's the point. Who spent more?
People have this response, because it's easier to try and just invalidate someone's argument than it is to actually go point for point in an argument. It's far easier to just say 'but klopp has spent money tho cmon mate' than it is to properly construct a counter argument to the point 'klopp is a better manager than pep, as he has had comparable success without having had the same level of resource'
City fan was devoid of objectivity. Liverpool fan actually thought about the questions a bit and wasn't such an absolutist. Also that UCL final vs City vs QPR? Liverpool were in Istanbul and came back from 3-0 down at half time in a UCL final against a Milan team consisting of Kaka, Maldini, Shevchenko, Cafu, Gattuso, Pirlo, Nesta, etc coached by Ancelotti. That's an incredible moment. Man City were playing at home against a QPR team fighting relegation and nearly bottled it... Only managing to snatch the win at the very last.
as a city fan i genuinely think steve is delusional the answers for the first 2 questions were jokes and he just has an aggressive personality in general and doesn’t try to listen.
Guardiola is a better manager, not taking anything away from Klopp. Tactics and all. But the kompany van dijk debate is where he lost me , I love vinny and we'll never have a captain like him ever again but he's not better than Van Dijk (there's an argument that he'll go down as one of the greatest CB's of all time)
Guardiola is a tactial genius, amazing football mind, but he could never have done what Klopp has done. Guardiola is about the football, Klopp is about people. If Guardiola has the tools, he can do wonders. If he doesn't have them, he can't. Klopp can. Man City wins because every player executes their role perfectly. The right players, doing the right things. You need to be at the right club for that. Liverpool wins because they want it more. They want it more, because of Klopp. You can't beat City because their style of play is unmatched. You can't beat Liverpool because the players will do EVERYTHING in their power, from start to finish, to win. Liverpool isn't the best team, but they can beat the best team. That's why Klopp is better imo. Mentality monsters. Still amazing managers, different managers.
How do you know that pep can’t do what Klopp has done? He’s never had the chance to do that. Klopp is managing one of the best clubs in the world rn and so is pep but pep is currently doing better. Liverpool are probably the best teams in the world rn player for player but pep is still besting him.
@@t0xict1gerfortnite33 I'm sorry friend, but you have to put away your emotional responses for me to take you seriously. It's obvious you don't know what you're talking about.
Man City fan here. Really well said. Love the rivalry our clubs have been having from the last 5 years . Really a benchmark for the rest of the footballing world
@@johannlothe He’s right about one thing though, we’ve never seen pep attempt to do what klopp has done so there’s no way to know if he could or couldn’t.
What do you mean who called Virgil the best CB on the planet? Um just the whole football community as he was voted the second best player in the world behind Messi 🤣
I love how the Liverpool fan is being pretty logical and trying to keep emotion out of it while the city firm is purely emotional and not making much sense
I think the Liverpool fan is completely boring with his staged persona. Repeating the same nonsense over and over does not show well. Simple facts are that the Liverpool fan tries to bend his opinions to suit and completely ignored the points for guardiola and man city but which city fan should care as pep has taken man city to unprecedented levels whilst higher spending teams like man utd have flopped whilst Chelsea, Liverpool and arsenal have not kept up with man city.
"Klopp spent more than anyone every has in 1 window the year they won the league".... Erm 2017 City spent £223M in a single window. That year they went on to record 100+ points in the league. Thats the most any English team has ever spent...in a single window.
I love how Paul comes in with intelligent, coherent arguments. The City fan “Trophies init” . . . Broken record. Totally miss the point of the questions.
Nah Paul tries to move the goalposts to change the argument more like. Steve said he was basing it off taking his team to winning trophies, then Paul mentions getting to finals and then blames Steve for it. lol Steve is actually a bright guy that makes some good arguments(top banter too), anyone who doesn't see that is probably lacking intelligence themselves. "He doesn't speak posh so he makes no sense to me". Not putting Paul down either, no need to. To be honest, both of them are cut above the normal footy youtube fan on the debating element(knowing their onions).
Disagree, saw the same with Tottenham v Arsenal, cannot put bias’s aside to have an actual debate. Saying random words doesn’t make you right. These things are always nonsense, football fans are so one note, so biased and lack critical thinking. FYI, I’m a football fan, doesn’t mean I can’t see the contradiction. Just wish we could have actual conversations about a SPORT we love instead of utter nonsense.
@@Rorschach--hm3dk The only one talking utter nonsense is you. He wasn't saying random words I've told you where the "trophies" confusion came from(it was Paul forgetting what Steve said). Plain as day it's ALL about club allegiances with you. You did a poor job of masking that with your faux impartial fronting. Bye anyway.
@@Rorschach--hm3dk By the way this is LADbible. If you don't like "bants" type back and forth, you pretty much have yourself to blame for clicking. It grates on me too sometimes, not with these two though. The way you praised Paul and dug Steve out says it all for me though... I found your bias complaint ironic in that respect.
@@Metali-tin I am a Liverpool fan, that’s truth, hence why I watched it. I get ‘Bants’ as vague as that is, but when two people are having a debate, I don’t get why it has to devolve in to a petty argument, this isn’t the worst one by far, and there was much more respect, but personally I’d love a bit more of an actual unbiased debate, and maybe football fans could get a better reputation. Simply saying “trophies” or in the case of the Tottenham V Arsenal one the lad saying no Spurs player would get in the arsenal team out or pure stubbornness, so Liverpool or not, LADbible or not, I’m not apologising for wanting a bit more of an actual conversation. Jesus, this is my point, most football fans are so one note or fickle, even in the comments you can’t have an opinion 🙄
It True Tho idk why u guys say he the Best u have Ramos, Pique, Marquinos, and so on Ramos won soooo many trophies with Real Madrid same with Pique VVD is just starting he won the Premier league that one and the fa Cup yes but u have to look at other Defender who won so much more Where i put VVD is like 10 here for me the Greatest Defender of all time 1: Maldini 2: Puyol 3:Roberto carlos 4: BAresi 5:Cafu 6:Ramos 7: Pique 8: JOhn Terry If your talking about who the Best Defener right now Yes VVD But best in the World no he still has a lot to go
@@peterumathum4903 I don't agree If u say Best in the World then it a no for me there Defener who are so much better than VVD Maldni, puyol, Baresi, Pique these people have won so much and done so many if u say Who best defender in the Preim yes VVD and who best defender right now is him but VVD best in the world no he only won 1 premier league and fa cup for me in order to be the best Defender u have to have a unstoppable carrerr of winning trophies and contruibte to the team always A Leader im still watching VVD he still has a lot of time but yes some will say VVD is the best but they need to look outside when u say the Word "Best in WORLD"
Jürgen Klopp goes to an Europa league side and wins the UCL, Pep goes to an UCL top 4 side and still can't win it. He also has a lot of money to spend while Jürgen had limited resources...
Dumbest shit I’ve ever heard tuchel took over chelsea whilst they was in 8th and won the ucl so tuchel >> pep 💀 Is this the same pep that schooled sir Alex twice in ucl finals ?
@@04foreverinvincible69 yeah… look at the team he had plus the freak of nature in Messi. I wanna know if he can beat a Barcelona team with just Divock Origi and Sadio Mane. Klopp did 🤫
@@hazeemA777 with same team under rijkard barca went two seasons without any trophies and when he become their manager in that same season he won a treble for barca
An Andy Robertson for an unthinkable 8 Million from stark unknown... a Chelsea & Mourinho reject in Mohammed Salah ... an absolute under rated nobody in Henderson & Trent ... N the list just goes on & on... The man jus keeps building miracles at the background with absolutely no peas to spend at all... It's not just LFC, it's the English game that is so lucky to see and have him 💯 🌎 🙏 ...
What's this city fan on about no one calling VVD the best CB itw??? It's been said countless times by players, managers and pundits. Kompany himself called VVD the best CB to grace the PL, so that's his argument out the window.
Could Klopp have gone to to best clubs with infinite money and win everything, yes. Could Pep have taken over 3 clubs in need of a rebuild with not much money and turn them into European giants? Absolutely not
@@EliTheEnthusiast Klopp has completely changed the role of the modern fullback as well as turning alright players into the best in their position. Salah, Mané, Van Dijk, Alisson, Robbo, Trent, Matip, Wijnaldum, Fabinho are examples.
@@littleboy1273 lol pep literally did that before him, pep invented the role of the inverted full back before klopp did. And since when were gini and Matip the best in their position?😐
@@EliTheEnthusiast I think he’s more making the point that they changed from average players to world class players, meanwhile pep can buy a 22 man squad of world class players
The season we won the league the only player we bought was Takumi Minamino. So in fact it the complete opposite of what he said we won the league with the LEAST amount spent in one window. Adding another reason on why Klopp is a better manager than Pep
Agreed with him except on the VVD vs Kompany debate. No chance is VVD better than Vinny at this present time. Things could change when VVD hangs up his boots though.
With the first question, its really hard to say being a liverpool supporter. I actually respect pep, and honestly with the resources he has, he got man city within the expectations they should be in. Not many managers can do it in the way he has done it, and people that have done it have ride the success from the previous managers. The only criticism from pep is the cl. Klopp for me I personally love the guy, mans an honest hardworking person that makes any player that does come in better than they really should be. There were a few hairy signings from him that didn't work out (karius) but for the most part he does elevate their levels. He also makes me proud of the club with the progression and constant improvement from the team. He adapted his tactics later on to make us more defensively sound and takes the best qualities from our team to win. I dont wanna jinx it, but I really think this team will win alot this season, and its gonna be cause of diaz inclusion. Despite that, pep will be known to be the better manager than klopp sadly. Objectively speaking, he has done more with the bigger names and his legacy as both a player and manager is set. Me personally, I love klopp and cause of the character he has shown, I think for me anyways he's better than pep.
I love the way Klopp goes about it but I hope you aren't suggesting that Pep doesn't raise the quality of his own players? Look how much better Rodri, Cancelo, Mahrez, Zinchenko, even Aguero played after their first year under him.
@@spa2damax 100%, you can even say he really revolutionize kimmich as a cdm, messi as a false 9, and many others as well. Even though pep has taken it from the academy. I do think where klopp got his players from some being absolute no one (lewa and Robertson for example) to being absolutely elite just edges that quality of him over pep. You could definitely make the arguement over busquet as well, but he did play for barca b side...so there was talent there that pep did found in him. Yeah, just think klopp edges him in that regard
Didn’t that centurions team get knocked out the cl by Liverpool losing at anfield and the ethiad. Also lost the league game 4-3 at anfield. Better team than us but lost 3 out of 4 games against us
Can someone inform that City fan that he's wrong by saying Liverpool spent more in any transfer window the window before they won the League. After Liverpool won the Champions League the only player we signed was Van Den Berg. Big lad is wrong, and great work Paul as always ⚽️🙌
Year Liverpool won the league they bought Sepp Van Der Berg and Takumi Minamino across both windows but 'spent the most amount any club has ever spent in one window'....??
The Man City fan saying that Man Utd is Disneyland is spot on. Been saying the exact same thing about the Glazer ownership and the current state of our club for years. Absolutely shameful to be a United fan atm.
As a Liverpool fan, Pep has won more. But I’ll never give up Klopp for Pep because (a) I’m not sure Pep is capable of ending a club’s 30 year league title drought, because Pep has historically only done well at clubs that were already doing well before he arrived, and (b) Klopp’s relationship with the fans and his understanding of the clubs he has managed are unmatched. But if I couldn’t have Klopp, then yeah, I wouldn’t mind Pep because he’s a great manager too.
Bruh Pep Guardiola's Barca didn't have great well established world class players. It was filled of La Masia players and youngsters like Messi Iniesta Xavi Busi Pedro Pique Valdes Puyol. He didn't bought them with loads of cash. He made club graduates into legends like Messi Pique Xavi Iniesta Busi.
We got Adrian and Harvey Elliot, won the league...Nothing can top that night in Istanbul, against a team of legends going 3-0 down and winning. Probably the best Champions League final ever.
Lifelong Liverpool fan here, lived in Ancoats when that QPR game happened. Had my door open for that game, I could feel the ROAR from the Etihad when that Aguero goal went in. Still gives me chills - beat feeling other than Liverpool winning titles etc x
Klopp saved Mainz from relegation and won 2 bundesliga titles with Dortmund, against Bayern. Then came to Liverpool and turned a mid table side into a top 2 in the prem and a real threat in the UCL. Pep is amazing but Klopp proves he can build a team from the ground up and win trophies. Pep can win trophies but he hasn't really built a team from the ground up. That's the difference.
Bro im a liverpool fan and these are the best football managers. But if pep started where klopp started he would achieve everything klopp did maybe nor in the same way but he would definetely achieve a promotion with mainz and a league title with dortmund
But why is building a team from the ground up an indication of a better manager? Its equally impressive taking over a huge team amidst lots of pressure and still managing to succeed. No one acknowledges that Pep had no top level managerial experience before taking over maybe the biggest club job in football at Barca. Maybe Klopp couldn't be able to manage at that elite level without crumbling
I don’t understand the logic, if Klopp was such a genius why did he start at 2nd tier football? Pep did not blackmail barca to give him the job., he took a team who finished 18 points behind in 3rd to winning every possible trophy in the first year of his management. Imagine that
Bruh Pep Guardiola's Barca didn't have great well established world class players. It was filled of La Masia players and youngsters like Messi Iniesta Xavi Busi Pedro Pique Valdes Puyol. He didn't bought them with loads of cash. He made club graduates into legends like Messi Pique Xavi Iniesta Busi.
Klopp definitely a better manager. Pep ripped it up because he always has a big budget & can get near enough any player he wants. Klopp has done wonders to get Liverpool back on top
Liverpool did indeed spend big money, but like usual we had to sell our best player to do so. Man City can pull money out of their arses like it's nothing. 100 mil on Grealish for him to warm the bench - ridiculous stuff.
Even as a Dortmund fan I believe Pep is better. Although it’s close and their stories are really different I believe Pep edges it because of his achievements with Barça between 2008 and 2012. That team is simply the best football team of all time and it’s not just the best team of all time because of the players. Before he arrived they didn’t win a title for 2 years when Messi, Iniesta and Xavi were already there. He was the one to implement the system that made them so strong. So he clearly played a crucial part in the making of the best team in the world. And in my opinion being the manager of the team that’s known to be the best team of all team while contributing a lot to its success beats any other achievement as a manager.
Klopp’s achievements at Dortmund and Liverpool are greater than Pep’s at Barcelona and City, and I say this as a United fan. Pep’s so called great Barcelona team needed the help of the referees to even reach both the UCL finals in 2009 and 2011. Pep has breached numerous doping regulations as player in Italy and as manager of Barcelona. He’s also head of the team that’s breached multiple ffp rules to win a UCL with City. Klopp > Pep. And his football is more enjoyable to watch than Pep’s.
@@shahzadiraniu being a united fan tells it all lmao, I got the absolute utmost respect for klopp but pep is unarguably a top 2 coach of all time, there’s just no world where klopps greater then pep, no wonder u hate pep 😭 his barca made united and sir Alex look like a joke
With thanks to Paul Machin of The Redmen TV and Big Steve
Ofc he would say that, He's a Liverpool fan ffs
Cheers for the invite, really enjoyed doing the show!
We loved having you on@@MaychTV ! An absolute pleasure to work with
Paul's a top lad we had a laugh, Cheers lads
@@MaychTV love you Paul you legend. the average fan knows pound for pound Klopp is better than Pep
This is the most realistic one so far. Yes they disagree but they're going off passion and respect instead of talking about stupidity
Facts
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@@Anthony-pw5gu oil sadly
Paul talks shit half the time.
@@philipkempbell7174 You must have him confused with someone else. Paul knows his stuff.
As a Liverpool fan ,Them agreeing on how disappointing man u look ,just made my day😂😂
But you Liverpool fans are delusional when you say klopp id better than pep i mean comon where was klopp in 2009 when Pep created the best team ever
@HONEST MAN UTD FAN yes clearly your a Man United fan you r not going to say that City has the better coach but if you look Pep since his started coaching what he has done you can't compare it to klopp
@@Ragnar850 rma 2017 is much greater than them
@@Ragnar850 Thats cuz pep is swimming in money while klopp has to work on a budget at all times
@@Ragnar850 Pep is swimming in his oil money while klopp has a more rigid budget in all his teams. Pep has gone to three world class teams with lots of money, while klopp started at little mainz, somehow got promoted, went to dortmund who were crap at the time, somehow won the champions league, then went to a struggling liverpool and turned them around too. Don't just compare the results, look at the process too idiot
edit: klopp didn't win cl, got dortmund to the finals
This was great. Especially the bit at the end. Both of them letting United fans have it. Hilarious that.
Obsessed with united
Ahhh. As a United fan that was a sucker punch at the end. But 2 amazing superfans. 🙂
@@rabbittko1421 good one🤣
@@rabbittko1421 I’ll try
Rent free
I'm a Liverpool fan, and I would say Pep gets a lot of stick for managing big clubs. Managing big clubs aint easy. We have seen managers failing at big clubs. Pep has objectively proved that he's a genius man manager and a tactical powerhouse. He's surely one of the best ever. And for Jurgen Klopp he's just my all time favourite manager ever. The sheer passion he exudes on the pitch is just incomparable. Love the man to bits. Can't really compare the two. We're lucky to see them both compete against each other.
this is a great comment
I 100% agree with everything you've said, but I'd argue that having success managing big clubs with unlimited spending and loaded with talent isn't enough evidence and the talent and depth of the bench alone can carry a manager. Zinedine Zidane was a manager for less than 2.5 years and won 3 Champions Leagues with Real Madrid, but I wouldn't consider him one of the best managers in the world.
yeah pochetinho has one of the best players in history, yet they are having a hard time
Managing big clubs is still easier than small clubs...or clubs like Spurs....
Well I’m an arsenal fan and believe klopp is a better manager. Don’t get me wrong, pep is an absolute legend and one of the best manager of all time. However he hasn’t won a UCL in 11 years and has been the favourite to win it for the last 3 or 4 years
1:16 ''1 title in 30 years'' obviously he means Liverpool as a whole but they way he says it implies that Klopp has managed LFC for all this time. So to be factual, 1 title in 5 years.
Liverpool champions league 1 city 0
People do the same with pep when they say city never won the cl
@@hamlran8502 There's a difference between 30 years and never winning it.
It amazes me the number of people that think football started with the Premier League. Don’t ever forget the 18mother titles we won. 👍👍👍
6 now m8
This part about City being so many points ahead really did age well
ahh man im getting really worried now
😂😂 so true
All liv fans said league over and boring at the time
They just did this yesterday......
@@weSnooker you sound hurt lol
Trying to play down how good Virgil is just makes you look stupid tbh. Sometimes you just have to drop the pride and say that player is class.
Lmao he actually said Virgil had a «good» season when we was 13mm from 100p and won the CL. That was literally the greatest season ever from a cb.
Nah you overate your players all the time.
@@mooseyjuice6t9 exactly
@@mooseyjuice6t9 I've never seen anyone more overrated than Ruben Dias tbh .
@@slimevillage880 you sound blind.
"Who called him the best centre-half on the planet.. Klopp?"
Kompany did 😅 Also said VvD is the most complete defender in PL history.
@EKLAVYA PRATHABHA VARMA Have you heard Maguire?
@EKLAVYA PRATHABHA VARMA He's the 2nd most expensive.
Kompany single handedly won 2 Premier League titles with scoring match winning goals against SAF’s united and a 40 yard screamer. Don’t think VVD has ever done that, but how could he he’s only won 1 PL😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@karangupta2329 this comment makes no sense 🤦🏾♂️. Ask any manager in the world who they’d rather have in their team and 100% of them will say VVD.
End of the day Pep is cheque book club 💰, give that money to Jurgen klopp he will win the Premier league and champions league in a row but No matter whatever i love it when Man United are crying
As soon as someone mentions trophies when comparing players, they've completely admitted defeat and are just clutching at straws
'The current state of Manchester United is hilarious'
I think the entire premier league can agree on that.
And now we’re mocking them 😈😂
Barca fans too,we dislike united
united fan watching:
sipping tea smiling
until that last question:
almost choked n cry 😂😂
That was amazing
Its weird because loads of liverpool fans hate man city fans and vice versa, some of them mock Hillsborough man city fans so its abit strange tbh, and if one team goes on to dominate over the coming years they will hate them as much as man united 😂
@@Johndoe-gf7eu Liverpool are a good team so hate other good teams. If City carry on being good, we will hate them. If Utd carry on being awful we have no business with them.
@@dhaw97 spoken like a true plastic
Let's be real... every fan would like to have a manager like Klopp. Rival fans may not like him because he manages a another team but if he was at your club, you would love him. Every last one of you.
Nah I’d rather Tuchel
happy with pep
Tell that to us who reach orgasm everytime we watch a Guardiola team pass the ball with so much precision and fluidity!!!
@callum And that's suppose to be a flaw??... Lmao tell that to the history books where his trophy records will be displayed!!!
@@abrahamjames7004 I hear you guy but if you didn't have Guardiola and had Klopp you would love him.
Pep goes to rich clubs, klopp doesn't.. What klopps achieved is nothin short of brilliant. End of argument
For U ...For me Pep is simply better no argument...
you just care about money you dont see how the squad plays a Brilliant manager is judged by how his squad and how he revolutionize a club
So Liverpool don’t have money? Loooool
If Klopp lost to Spurs in the champions league he would've been sacked, which then wouldn't have have stolen the premiership. Liverpool had every ref and the fa on their side that season.
@@sauravkumarnanda3193 klopp can go to city and win everything pep could not manage Liverpool and do what klopp has done no chance . The proof is there . Klopp is on another level
One of the best agree to disagree episode ever. they really agree to disagree. they are both so happy for each other. wonderful to watch. no hate no stupidity.
Paul Machin is class. He makes a good argument instead of being a blinded fan.
If you want to make 'pound for pound' literal.... then Klopp has spent only £200k per point won in the PL - Pep has spent £650K per point won - and that's on top of the league winning side he inherited. Klopp is clearly the better manager for every single club who isn't backed by a country
It's not always about money klopp said in his interview that that he likes team with less depth
Klopp has 1 more season bozo,
Even if they spent the same money, Klopp would still be on top just cause he has 1 more season.
For all those who saying Klopp doesn’t need to spend to win trophies, for his first trophy he needed to spend 130 million plus net
@@kanchan3312 what he meant by that was he doesn't like a big squad of egos who think they're better than everyone else and deserves more. that's why the fekir deal broke down for eg. he wants the whole squad and club to feel like one family and everyone's got a role. and, for this specific scenario, money does matter cos the question is pound for pound. give Pep 8 mil relegated Robertson from Hull and 5mil relegated shaqiri from Stoke and he wouldn't win the UCL the next season. Klopp did. you could argue forever who's the better coach, but manager POUND for POUND is definitely without a doubt Jürgen Klopp
@@karangupta2329 do you understand simple maths? Money spent divided by points won…. Both with a 5+ year sample size - more games is irrelevant
@@karangupta2329 that was Coutinho money 150+ million
And the net spend was positive with Vvd Allison Keita coming in
"The season you won the league, you spent more money than anyone has in one window." Liverpool won the league in 2019/20 and spent £10m in the window on Minamino, Elliot, Adrian and Van Der Berg. Man City has spent £100-200m almost every window... what on earth is he on about?
😂😂 So what?? Spent money bro... Don't cry here ...If you can't spent money then Cry more 😀😀...
Yes you fool hes talking about the window before you won the league, you know the one where you spent 164mil after spending 150 the year before. Hence his point that you won that season of the back of heavy investment. Wouldnt make any sense for him to reference the window after the success would it.
He’s simply saying Liverpool was breaking transfer records and that got them to a final and got them a league trophy.. how is that hard to understand, the records are there to show 😏
so Real madrid dont deserve their titles because they spent money on those UCL and laliga titles, same with barca titles when pep was there too! those big clubs spent money lol
Nugget.. Hasn't a clue.
Scoring a 40 yard volley makes you a better defender apparently
Not listening to his point fully, focusing on one phrase and commenting out of context, makes your comment valid apparently.
no being one of the best defenders in the world for years makes him better
@@jmacmcfc4662 what a champions league medal for Vincent Kompany
@@dylan2961_ oh well….. that alone does not make you a better player you know it and I know it… Consistency it’s pretty much the deciding factor for me and van dike has not Done it long enough for me granted he’s been injured but vinny but then again vinny also struggled with injury in the later stages of his city career and he still stepped up and was the commanding force no matter what…but time will only tell if you wonna talk rationally about it… both players are/was amazing either way
@@dylan2961_ was Djimi Traore a better player than Joao Cancelo? Because he won the UCL. Was Michele Padovano a better player than Alan Shearer? He also won the UCL. Your argument is complete bullshit
Two genuine football fans that can actually have a grown up conversation
The city lad at one point said Klopp can only win with big money as well. He should inform himself on the situation Dortmund were in when Klopp came. They were almost bankcrupt and nowwhere near competing for international football not even speaking about trophies. Then he won the league twice over Bayern with a team of nobodies and youth products and even led them to the Champions League final. He won titles without loads of money, that's a fact.
Liverpool back 4 - TAA, Matip, VVD, Robertson = £83m
Man City back 4 - Stones, Diaz, Laporte, Cancelo = £228m
Dont forget the backups lol:
City: Ake 45 mil, Zinchenko 2 mil, Mendy 57 mil, Walker 52 mil
Liverpool: Tsimikas 13 mil, Gomez 5 mil, Konate 30 mil, Williams free (academy)
@@biggestshaq7018 😂😂😂 I was just gonna type this
And most of the money on Liverpool's side was spent on VVD lol
That’s what they bought them for year value wise now switch them please
@@allanomer6378 try 66.8m and including keepers still puts Liverpool’s still over £100m cheaper
What is Big Steve saying? The year Liverpool won the league was 19/20, they spent 10m on Minamino and Van den Berg. Unless he is including the season before which was Fabinho, Alisson and Keita which totalled 180m. Man City have spent 300m in one season. So not sure what he is on about there.
To be fair mate we was talking about a calendar year it just didn't come out right for the edit but we was basically saying a full year,
Which they got from selling Coutinho
@@BigSteveMcfc still not the most a team spent. Compare City and Liverpool transfers windows and you'll see, transfermarkt has it detailed
@@BigSteveMcfc OK fair enough Steve but u can't forget we sold coutinho for 142 million so we recouped the money. That's like city forced to sell KDB to spend... same concept
@@BigSteveMcfc didnt you spend 200 million in one summer window and buy laporte for 60 odd.
What is an Outlier spending for Liverpool (primarily due to the Coutinho money) is norm for City
Klopp took a financially struggling Mainz into the top division for the first time in their history. He then took over Dortmund despite being a second division manager and ended Bayern's dominance and won two in a row, and reached the Champions League final.
That's the part a lot of people don't know, everyone knows what he has done at Liverpool.
(Edit): Klopp stayed at Mainz for three seasons after getting them promoted, tipped for relegation every season. Still struggling financially, Mainz finished mid table the first two seasons, and eventually went down the third.
Klopp's Mainz also battered Rafa's Liverpool in a pre-season game during those years, doesn't mean much but that's when I first remember hearing Klopp's name
Graham Potter took Ostersunds to the 1st Swedish division from the 4th division in 4 years, beat Arsenal at the emirates in Europa league and managed to win the domestic cup with them in 2017, in 7 years he got a 4th division club to the top for the first time ever and won a trophy too. Are people seeing that and also what he’s doing at Brighton and saying he’s the best manager in the world, better than Pep because no one else could do that job? Pep started at big clubs cos he was good enough for big clubs early on.
@@user-io8cm4dk1f I'm not going to take it as you're being serious, but I'm still going to argue my point. Do you *really* think Sweden compares to Germany and England? Do you think winning the Swedish first division and doing ok in the Europa League compares to winning back-to-back Bundesligas and reaching the Champions League final with the team he had?
@@dhaw97 listen to me. People saying Klopp is better than Pep due to his accomplishments at lower league teams. But the fact is that Pep was at big clubs from the start, obviously there’s a reason for that. And of course I’m not being serious about Potter being the best in the world, but he is a fantastic manager. My point is that what he did in Sweden is bigger than what Klopp accomplished at Mainz, he got back to back promotions with them, I repeat 3 promotions in 4 years, with a team never been in the top flight, them won a trophy with them and look at what he’s done at Brighton. You see how irrelevant the accomplishments in Sweden feel? Then why now that Klopp has won big trophies are people using his small accomplishments to say he’s the best in the world? That’s like for a player, saying he’s the best in the world cos he did it as smaller teams with worse managers and players around them. I’m not against the argument of Klopp>Pep, IMO Pep is better but it’s close, but you can’t use his accomplishments at Mainz, and also can’t use the argument that Pep couldn’t do what he did at Liverpool, cos no one could do what Dyche is doing/has done at Burnley, same for Potter and Ostersunds and Brighton, not many top managers could do those jobs either.
He didnt end the Bayern dominance. He kind of delayed it, because Bayern only really started to win all these titles afterwards.
“Those Mickey Mouse cups over seas” if City ever win the CL I bet the world club cup will no longer be a Mickey Mouse cup overseas. Good watch though, enjoyed both of them
It's funny that the oil money investment and recruitment of pep was to actually get these overseas Mickey mouse cups 😂😂
America continents are desperate to win that cup.
We have won it and it is a Mickey Mouse trophy :)
The 13 points comment hasn’t aged well
this is a level headed discussion. i just healed from ty being horrendous the last time this series came on
never thought I'd see the day when we finally discovered a city fan
Atleast one that existed before the 2000 thousands
Hahahahahah quality
Liverpool fan who thinks they are a big club while winning 1 PL in 30 years
@@grealish2234 and how many ucl has city in their history?
@@antongotesson5171 lmao . U guys claim we are a small club . Why would a small club have a ucl
As an Evertonian, I have to agree with the Red about Klopp being a better manager. I've always said give Pep a club that needs building and let's see how good he is.
@@eralpkzloglu1343 LOL. bernado silva was so highly rated after his monaco campaign. Sane, madrid wanted him too. Gundogan such a great midfielders, Walker 50m, Mendy 50m, Dias etc. Are u taking the piss? Klopp has like Robertson, Trent. All of City's players were after by big clubs. None for Liverpool's.
@@footballminds3706 wtf blind pooler
What about Van Dijk?? What about Alisson ,one of the most expensive Cb and GK signings in Pl.
The fuck?? You drink piss for lunch??
I can go on and on.
And no im no Cityzen.
@@kichchacultz Please don't. Instead, of going on and on (believe us we can imagine), go and check the positions in the Premiership net spend table-of Liverpool (a club where ends must be made to meet) and City (a club backed by a sovereign wealth fund, whose unlimited budget extends to being able to circumvent FFP by throwing its weight around). Klopp isn't in the top half.
@@kichchacultz im not a lpool fan. do u have a brain? klopp only bought established players after reaching UCL final. pep spent loads in his first 2 man city seasons and he alrdy had a stacked team, bar wing backs.
This argument is so dumb. Why should the best manager, manage a small club? It just makes no sense. Just because Pep didnt need to manage a small club at first and then go to a big club, doesnt take away what hes done with these big clubs.
Thank god we have Paul as the face of redmen tv. He’s so eloquently spoken and has great points. Makes it very hard to argue with.
As a united fan For me klopp is clear of pep no debate both are absolute quality but the money pep has had in comparison to klopp is crazy.. bad time being a united fan aye🤦♀️
you cant talk about spending money if you dont know how to spend
The debate is klopp vs pep? And from a financial stand point pep has had a lot more backing hence my point 👆no one knows more than united fans the club is run very badly with stupid wages and signings 👍
@@Camere2k9 it's the only thing city fans can do is hide behind United's failings in the transfer market.
@@atharvasawant467 Only that Klopp also knows how to spend.. probably better than Pep too.. look at Salah, Jota, Robbo etc. Pep spent 40 mil on Nathan Ake, 33 mil on ferran torres, 100 mil on an underwhelming Grealish etc..
Thats why you are United fan. No logic
nice to see there are actually some nondelusional liverpool fans, really liked this guy
He did say van dijk is one of the greats tho
@@hyy7854 whats wrong about it?
@@hyy7854 he is
@@hyy7854 People regard Jamie Carragher as one of the greats and Virgil Van Dijk is miles better than Carragher.
@@hyy7854 not wrong
Hold the phone, did that man City fan just say when Liverpool won the league he spent the most money in a window ever???? Why has he not been called out on this blatant lie
Its true
@@foriegn4life462 we bought adrian and harvey Elliott in the window before winning the league?
Its true, 164mil the window before the win (record) and 150mil the year before that.
@@dangling-donk the window before the win we only signed minamino (7m), the window before that we signed harvey Elliott and adriad (10m) where are you getting these numbers from 😂😂
@@dangling-donk I'm gonna need to know who these players are my guy?
It takes balls to step in and ship out players like Ronaldinho as an unknown manager
It's almost impossible to compare Klopp and Pep. Pep is after perfection. He's mostly interested in achieving his ideal football, so he's not gonna settle for lesser players. Klopp also wants to win but he seems more interested in development and unity. Pep definitely has the ability to coach small budget teams but his ambition and temperament will never let him.
how would you know he has the ability when there is no proof. soft brain.
@@ReaverIII No proof of his ability? put those crayons away son and take a nap.
@@brianshockledge3241there is no proof of him doin it with an inferior team
@@stevenosullivan187 steve no sullivan I take it.
Mickey Mouse trophies when city fans go wild over the Carbabo cup and community shield 😂😂😂😂
@Rcn Zizo so what’s citeh excuse for the community shield yous lot go on like it’s a ucl 😂😂
@Rcn Zizo major lololol
@@mainsxo What a weird comment to make as Liverpool prepare for a Carabao Cup final. I'm assuming you won't be celebrating if Liverpool win then? Would be a bit embarrassing if you did by your logic.
@@matthewchampion8214 he's responding to the City fans comment about Mickey Mouse cups, but probably misunderstood that the city fan was referring to Club World Cup and Uefa Super Cup
@@mainsxo No City fan mentions the community shield
this city fan was absolutely had by the LIverpool lad 😂😂😂😂
He couldn't stick on point
Yeah Liverpool fan argued in a far more coherent way
As a city fan, this is the most logical Liverpool fan I've ever seen... Secondly, Kompany is a legend but Van Dijk is a far better player than him
@@zoheabaleem vvd is a better player as a cb nobody cares about kompany playing CDM and CM that's not the subject
@@zoheabaleem Nah this is pure fan bias.... Van Dijk has better passing and better ball playing abilities... Better defensive organization and better positional play...Laporte's first season in City is better than Kompany years at City based on individual performances... I know Laporte hasn't been quite the same but that Laporte first season was better than any Kompany in a City shirt and that wasn't even close to Van Dijk level... Van Dijk might have been around for 3 years as you claimed but Kompany never made City look like a team that could stop conceding goals and that's what VVD has done at Liverpool given how bad thier defensive record was before he arrived, and that's what Dias did last season (and that wasn't anywhere close to VVD's level)
Still yet to come across a logical city fan though.
@@zoheabaleem question was who’s the better defender
Maych is a champion.
3:34 “the season you won the league you spent more than anyone else in one window”, I think you’ll find in the 19/20 season we bought two players in both summer and January. Those two players being sepp van den berg for around 2 mil, and minamino for 7 ish mil. Talking out his arse. We’ve actually spent hardly anything compared to other top 6 clubs in the past few years.
didnt we sell Coutinho for £145 and spent it on Ally n Virg
@@JoeyNeezer no.
17/18 season. January: We sold Phil bought VVD.
next season 18/19. We spend the most under Jürgen (Fabinho Shaq Ali Naby). But we got rid of some deadwood as well. (That season we finished second and won the UCL)
19/20. Only Minamino came (i mean to be in the rotation for only 8.8 million).
That guy made a false statement there about us spending big BUT i dont blame him he is not an LFC fan so he got it mixed up.
I loved the Man City guys explanation of agueros moment
Pep’s had a silver spoon in his mouth his whole managerial career mate😂 Klopp took a £30 million Egyptian right winger and made him better then £300 million of city attackers combined
That savage true!
compare the trophies, even in big clubs teams flop i.e PSG and UTD
Pep took a young academy grads and made the Best DM ever and the best player ever
Pep literally created the greatest midfield ever with the magician from Argentina
Bullshittt
When Liverpool won the league Liverpool only bought Harvey Elliott in the summer window of the 19-20 season and Taki Minamino in the January transfer window, so the spending big money notion doesn't stand up. Van Dijk and Alisson was bought in the transfer windows of January 18 and June 18 respectively!
With Countinho money!
Liverpool won the league in the summer they signed Alisson mate!!!
No we didn’t we won it the season after in the 19/20 season
@@abrahamjames7004 that just isn’t true though. That was the season where we won the champions league
@@abrahamjames7004 no we didn't, we signed Alisson and won the Champions league then in his second season won the league
Everyone knows Klopp spent money. Liverpool are not a poor club at all, but "compared to Pep" is the question. How does it keep evading people's heads? "oh hurr durr Klopp too spent money"... Yeah, that's the point. Who spent more?
People have this response, because it's easier to try and just invalidate someone's argument than it is to actually go point for point in an argument. It's far easier to just say 'but klopp has spent money tho cmon mate' than it is to properly construct a counter argument to the point 'klopp is a better manager than pep, as he has had comparable success without having had the same level of resource'
klopp spends what he earnes thats their difference
Pep 1 billion quid, Klopp 500 mill.
So pep spent half more, crazy
@@VladScousov plus the team pep inherited was a PL championship winning team klopp got a team that was top 4 at very very best.
@@paulthrutner9114 yh, what klopp has done in his career, steps over any amount of trophy pep won in his lifetime, its not even a debate for me
All fans could join in and laugh from 18:28 onwards 🤣🤣
City fan was devoid of objectivity. Liverpool fan actually thought about the questions a bit and wasn't such an absolutist.
Also that UCL final vs City vs QPR? Liverpool were in Istanbul and came back from 3-0 down at half time in a UCL final against a Milan team consisting of Kaka, Maldini, Shevchenko, Cafu, Gattuso, Pirlo, Nesta, etc coached by Ancelotti. That's an incredible moment.
Man City were playing at home against a QPR team fighting relegation and nearly bottled it... Only managing to snatch the win at the very last.
The season Liverpool won the league we signed MInamino, Elliot and Van Den Berg
And non of them had a massive impact on Liverpool winning the league. I don’t know what that city fan is on about really
as a city fan i genuinely think steve is delusional the answers for the first 2 questions were jokes and he just has an aggressive personality in general and doesn’t try to listen.
Guardiola is a better manager, not taking anything away from Klopp. Tactics and all.
But the kompany van dijk debate is where he lost me , I love vinny and we'll never have a captain like him ever again but he's not better than Van Dijk (there's an argument that he'll go down as one of the greatest CB's of all time)
@@shivaanmcfc7512 would be interesting to hear from a player who played under both managers, like gundogan, his autobiography would be worth a read
City fan forgets that Pep didn’t have to sell KDB to be able to make 2 big signings…That’s the difference & it’s a HUGE one
Liverpool fan here. That last question was hilarious
The blasphemy is unreal
Guardiola is a tactial genius, amazing football mind, but he could never have done what Klopp has done. Guardiola is about the football, Klopp is about people. If Guardiola has the tools, he can do wonders. If he doesn't have them, he can't. Klopp can. Man City wins because every player executes their role perfectly. The right players, doing the right things. You need to be at the right club for that. Liverpool wins because they want it more. They want it more, because of Klopp. You can't beat City because their style of play is unmatched. You can't beat Liverpool because the players will do EVERYTHING in their power, from start to finish, to win. Liverpool isn't the best team, but they can beat the best team. That's why Klopp is better imo. Mentality monsters. Still amazing managers, different managers.
How do you know that pep can’t do what Klopp has done? He’s never had the chance to do that. Klopp is managing one of the best clubs in the world rn and so is pep but pep is currently doing better. Liverpool are probably the best teams in the world rn player for player but pep is still besting him.
@@t0xict1gerfortnite33 I'm sorry friend, but you have to put away your emotional responses for me to take you seriously. It's obvious you don't know what you're talking about.
Man City fan here. Really well said. Love the rivalry our clubs have been having from the last 5 years . Really a benchmark for the rest of the footballing world
100% agree
@@johannlothe He’s right about one thing though, we’ve never seen pep attempt to do what klopp has done so there’s no way to know if he could or couldn’t.
Saying Vincent kompany isn’t as important as Aguero is like saying VVD isn’t as important as Salah. What an absolutely abysmal argument lol
The Liverpool fans on this always win the arguement.
Not this time. The city fan was too eloquent for the liverpool fan
@@iamviral7362 Too eloquent? Did you watch the video? Delusional lol
@@iamviral7362 do you even unverstanden meaning of the word?
@@radef.6177 should be asking you Shakespeare
Nah there was one video where the Liverpool fan was fucking delusional
What do you mean who called Virgil the best CB on the planet? Um just the whole football community as he was voted the second best player in the world behind Messi 🤣
This isn’t gonna stop but love listen to the two accents always clash🤣🤣
Ik 😃
I love how the Liverpool fan is being pretty logical and trying to keep emotion out of it while the city firm is purely emotional and not making much sense
City fan and i agree, Liverpool fan had great composure in the conversation which overall came out on top in the discussion
I think the Liverpool fan is completely boring with his staged persona. Repeating the same nonsense over and over does not show well. Simple facts are that the Liverpool fan tries to bend his opinions to suit and completely ignored the points for guardiola and man city but which city fan should care as pep has taken man city to unprecedented levels whilst higher spending teams like man utd have flopped whilst Chelsea, Liverpool and arsenal have not kept up with man city.
"Klopp spent more than anyone every has in 1 window the year they won the league".... Erm 2017 City spent £223M in a single window. That year they went on to record 100+ points in the league. Thats the most any English team has ever spent...in a single window.
I love how Paul comes in with intelligent, coherent arguments. The City fan “Trophies init” . . . Broken record. Totally miss the point of the questions.
Nah Paul tries to move the goalposts to change the argument more like. Steve said he was basing it off taking his team to winning trophies, then Paul mentions getting to finals and then blames Steve for it. lol Steve is actually a bright guy that makes some good arguments(top banter too), anyone who doesn't see that is probably lacking intelligence themselves. "He doesn't speak posh so he makes no sense to me". Not putting Paul down either, no need to. To be honest, both of them are cut above the normal footy youtube fan on the debating element(knowing their onions).
Disagree, saw the same with Tottenham v Arsenal, cannot put bias’s aside to have an actual debate. Saying random words doesn’t make you right. These things are always nonsense, football fans are so one note, so biased and lack critical thinking. FYI, I’m a football fan, doesn’t mean I can’t see the contradiction. Just wish we could have actual conversations about a SPORT we love instead of utter nonsense.
@@Rorschach--hm3dk The only one talking utter nonsense is you. He wasn't saying random words I've told you where the "trophies" confusion came from(it was Paul forgetting what Steve said). Plain as day it's ALL about club allegiances with you. You did a poor job of masking that with your faux impartial fronting. Bye anyway.
@@Rorschach--hm3dk By the way this is LADbible. If you don't like "bants" type back and forth, you pretty much have yourself to blame for clicking. It grates on me too sometimes, not with these two though. The way you praised Paul and dug Steve out says it all for me though... I found your bias complaint ironic in that respect.
@@Metali-tin I am a Liverpool fan, that’s truth, hence why I watched it. I get ‘Bants’ as vague as that is, but when two people are having a debate, I don’t get why it has to devolve in to a petty argument, this isn’t the worst one by far, and there was much more respect, but personally I’d love a bit more of an actual unbiased debate, and maybe football fans could get a better reputation. Simply saying “trophies” or in the case of the Tottenham V Arsenal one the lad saying no Spurs player would get in the arsenal team out or pure stubbornness, so Liverpool or not, LADbible or not, I’m not apologising for wanting a bit more of an actual conversation. Jesus, this is my point, most football fans are so one note or fickle, even in the comments you can’t have an opinion 🙄
Most reasonable and realistic football episode in this series 🙌
Really doesn't say much for the rest of it!
"No one other than liverpool fans call VVD the best defender in the world"
Excuse me what
Yeah that was just straight up delusional. Pretty much everyone is in agreement that he is
It True Tho idk why u guys say he the Best u have Ramos, Pique, Marquinos, and so on Ramos won soooo many trophies with Real Madrid same with Pique VVD is just starting he won the Premier league that one and the fa Cup yes but u have to look at other Defender who won so much more Where i put VVD is like 10 here for me the Greatest Defender of all time
1: Maldini
2: Puyol
3:Roberto carlos
4: BAresi
5:Cafu
6:Ramos
7: Pique
8: JOhn Terry
If your talking about who the Best Defener right now Yes VVD But best in the World no he still has a lot to go
@@peterumathum4903 I don't agree If u say Best in the World then it a no for me there Defener who are so much better than VVD Maldni, puyol, Baresi, Pique these people have won so much and done so many if u say Who best defender in the Preim yes VVD and who best defender right now is him but VVD best in the world no he only won 1 premier league and fa cup for me in order to be the best Defender u have to have a unstoppable carrerr of winning trophies and contruibte to the team always A Leader im still watching VVD he still has a lot of time but yes some will say VVD is the best but they need to look outside when u say the Word "Best in WORLD"
@@emmanuelcooper326 I dont disagree with you, but in this context I think they were talking bout currently
Watching this a year later 😂 post-treble and Liverpool playing in the Europa League
Paul completely destroyed this guy in a very respectful way.
That's what I saw.
When did he destroy? Half the time he couldn't even talk
@@left4deadR stick to your Fortnite pal, Paul is a football genius.
@@left4deadR it's the debate between 2 people of course he wouldnt talk 100% of the time WTF
@@siapaini4379 so?
Jürgen Klopp goes to an Europa league side and wins the UCL, Pep goes to an UCL top 4 side and still can't win it. He also has a lot of money to spend while Jürgen had limited resources...
Dumbest shit I’ve ever heard tuchel took over chelsea whilst they was in 8th and won the ucl so tuchel >> pep 💀
Is this the same pep that schooled sir Alex twice in ucl finals ?
@@04foreverinvincible69 tuchel had a great team when he came it's just that things weren't working out with lampard
@@04foreverinvincible69 yeah… look at the team he had plus the freak of nature in Messi. I wanna know if he can beat a Barcelona team with just Divock Origi and Sadio Mane. Klopp did 🤫
@@hazeemA777 with same team under rijkard barca went two seasons without any trophies and when he become their manager in that same season he won a treble for barca
@@04foreverinvincible69 is it the dumbest shit you e ever heard because you're ignorant or arrogant. The guy just stated facts that's all...relax.
An Andy Robertson for an unthinkable 8 Million from stark unknown... a Chelsea & Mourinho reject in Mohammed Salah ... an absolute under rated nobody in Henderson & Trent ... N the list just goes on & on... The man jus keeps building miracles at the background with absolutely no peas to spend at all... It's not just LFC, it's the English game that is so lucky to see and have him 💯 🌎 🙏 ...
What's this city fan on about no one calling VVD the best CB itw??? It's been said countless times by players, managers and pundits. Kompany himself called VVD the best CB to grace the PL, so that's his argument out the window.
“We’ll see” is the best quote in this video. Aged to absolute perfection😭
I absolutely love all the slight digs at the Invincibles. 70 draws, invincible with 40 points… love it.
Could Klopp have gone to to best clubs with infinite money and win everything, yes.
Could Pep have taken over 3 clubs in need of a rebuild with not much money and turn them into European giants? Absolutely not
You literally have no proof of that😂😂😂😂 don’t say absolutely not. Pep has changed the sport, can’t say the same about klopp
@@EliTheEnthusiast Klopp has completely changed the role of the modern fullback as well as turning alright players into the best in their position. Salah, Mané, Van Dijk, Alisson, Robbo, Trent, Matip, Wijnaldum, Fabinho are examples.
@@littleboy1273 lol pep literally did that before him, pep invented the role of the inverted full back before klopp did. And since when were gini and Matip the best in their position?😐
@@EliTheEnthusiast I think he’s more making the point that they changed from average players to world class players, meanwhile pep can buy a 22 man squad of world class players
Agenda is real. Pep never needed to go to bum clubs. Why do elite coaches need to?
The season we won the league the only player we bought was Takumi Minamino. So in fact it the complete opposite of what he said we won the league with the LEAST amount spent in one window. Adding another reason on why Klopp is a better manager than Pep
Hes obviously reffering to the summer before u won the league…
@@plobeck.1572 yeah but they sold Coutinho for £147. So they didn’t spend that much net
@@plobeck.1572 no he didn’t. He specifically said the season we won the league. So he’s wrong but he won’t mention that now would he?
Klopp himself said that pep is the better manager. 😭😭😭
@@skylineultra8120 he’s being humble you clown
With the scouser on this one
Agreed with him except on the VVD vs Kompany debate. No chance is VVD better than Vinny at this present time. Things could change when VVD hangs up his boots though.
@@deathdragonslayer1 kompany better career (so far)…but vvd better player
I love the way Steve tells his stories. He’s got such a way of making you picture everything he’s seen
Big respect to this City fan! Not a glory hunter like a large majority
Great debate between two level headed fans
The Liverpool fan was too generous the city fan is a biased af
if he's too harsh on that city fan, he will be called "tOxIc". :')
With the first question, its really hard to say being a liverpool supporter. I actually respect pep, and honestly with the resources he has, he got man city within the expectations they should be in. Not many managers can do it in the way he has done it, and people that have done it have ride the success from the previous managers. The only criticism from pep is the cl. Klopp for me I personally love the guy, mans an honest hardworking person that makes any player that does come in better than they really should be. There were a few hairy signings from him that didn't work out (karius) but for the most part he does elevate their levels. He also makes me proud of the club with the progression and constant improvement from the team. He adapted his tactics later on to make us more defensively sound and takes the best qualities from our team to win. I dont wanna jinx it, but I really think this team will win alot this season, and its gonna be cause of diaz inclusion. Despite that, pep will be known to be the better manager than klopp sadly. Objectively speaking, he has done more with the bigger names and his legacy as both a player and manager is set. Me personally, I love klopp and cause of the character he has shown, I think for me anyways he's better than pep.
I love the way Klopp goes about it but I hope you aren't suggesting that Pep doesn't raise the quality of his own players? Look how much better Rodri, Cancelo, Mahrez, Zinchenko, even Aguero played after their first year under him.
@@spa2damax 100%, you can even say he really revolutionize kimmich as a cdm, messi as a false 9, and many others as well. Even though pep has taken it from the academy. I do think where klopp got his players from some being absolute no one (lewa and Robertson for example) to being absolutely elite just edges that quality of him over pep. You could definitely make the arguement over busquet as well, but he did play for barca b side...so there was talent there that pep did found in him. Yeah, just think klopp edges him in that regard
Klopp is better, if he too had the backing like guardiola has in city, even he would have built a similar kind of dominating team
That 13 points ahead thing went down well
Didn’t that centurions team get knocked out the cl by Liverpool losing at anfield and the ethiad. Also lost the league game 4-3 at anfield. Better team than us but lost 3 out of 4 games against us
@Ess 41 it was a dead rubber match
@@siphomnisi3842 When City won the league they beat Liverpool 4-1, February 2021?
@@rajkaranvirk7525 that was a different season then. Also van Dijk was injured
Where’s this manc been? Literally everyone refers to VVD as the best CB
Can someone inform that City fan that he's wrong by saying Liverpool spent more in any transfer window the window before they won the League.
After Liverpool won the Champions League the only player we signed was Van Den Berg.
Big lad is wrong, and great work Paul as always ⚽️🙌
Paul, a true representative of LFC! The City lad was decent too
Man that Istanbul match is the best match ever this match shouldn't be an other opinions this match it's the definition of football
Big Steve wouldn't even be sat there without oil money.. What a clown
Year Liverpool won the league they bought Sepp Van Der Berg and Takumi Minamino across both windows but 'spent the most amount any club has ever spent in one window'....??
Paul is an absolute legend. absolutely owned the deluded city fan
Klopp does it on a self sustainable budget. Plus he takes over clubs that are in turmoil. Big difference.
the aguero goal/istanbul segment was so wholesome between the 2 as they understood each others opinions
The guy that said Van Djik was the best CB was Kompany.
The Man City fan saying that Man Utd is Disneyland is spot on. Been saying the exact same thing about the Glazer ownership and the current state of our club for years. Absolutely shameful to be a United fan atm.
As a Liverpool fan, Pep has won more. But I’ll never give up Klopp for Pep because (a) I’m not sure Pep is capable of ending a club’s 30 year league title drought, because Pep has historically only done well at clubs that were already doing well before he arrived, and (b) Klopp’s relationship with the fans and his understanding of the clubs he has managed are unmatched.
But if I couldn’t have Klopp, then yeah, I wouldn’t mind Pep because he’s a great manager too.
Comparing the German Eddie Howe to the greatest football mind to ever live is an insult to football kid.
@@madtitan-bringerofgenocide I agree tuchel should never be compared to klopp
@@olliered9924 aww cute kid
Bruh Pep Guardiola's Barca didn't have great well established world class players. It was filled of La Masia players and youngsters like Messi Iniesta Xavi Busi Pedro Pique Valdes Puyol. He didn't bought them with loads of cash. He made club graduates into legends like Messi Pique Xavi Iniesta Busi.
@@olliered9924 😂😂 brilliant.
The fool said German Eddie Howe...he really doesn't know football.
We got Adrian and Harvey Elliot, won the league...Nothing can top that night in Istanbul, against a team of legends going 3-0 down and winning. Probably the best Champions League final ever.
And Sepp Van Den Berg for £1.5m
It was the best ucl final ever, nothing compares
I love how all of a sudden it just turns to Man UTD banter lol
Lifelong Liverpool fan here, lived in Ancoats when that QPR game happened. Had my door open for that game, I could feel the ROAR from the Etihad when that Aguero goal went in. Still gives me chills - beat feeling other than Liverpool winning titles etc x
Thing is that centurion team lost 3 times to Liverpool that year. 🤷♂️
Omg a real life Man City fan??
🥶
Life isn’t about social media mate. Go to Manchester and meet some.
Nah he must be a paid actor
Klopp saved Mainz from relegation and won 2 bundesliga titles with Dortmund, against Bayern. Then came to Liverpool and turned a mid table side into a top 2 in the prem and a real threat in the UCL. Pep is amazing but Klopp proves he can build a team from the ground up and win trophies. Pep can win trophies but he hasn't really built a team from the ground up. That's the difference.
Bro im a liverpool fan and these are the best football managers. But if pep started where klopp started he would achieve everything klopp did maybe nor in the same way but he would definetely achieve a promotion with mainz and a league title with dortmund
But why is building a team from the ground up an indication of a better manager? Its equally impressive taking over a huge team amidst lots of pressure and still managing to succeed. No one acknowledges that Pep had no top level managerial experience before taking over maybe the biggest club job in football at Barca. Maybe Klopp couldn't be able to manage at that elite level without crumbling
I don’t understand the logic, if Klopp was such a genius why did he start at 2nd tier football? Pep did not blackmail barca to give him the job., he took a team who finished 18 points behind in 3rd to winning every possible trophy in the first year of his management. Imagine that
Bruh Pep Guardiola's Barca didn't have great well established world class players. It was filled of La Masia players and youngsters like Messi Iniesta Xavi Busi Pedro Pique Valdes Puyol. He didn't bought them with loads of cash. He made club graduates into legends like Messi Pique Xavi Iniesta Busi.
@@karangupta2329 because mainz was the team Klopp was playing for and they needed a manager so they asked klopp
Abroad cups ??? Plastic cups?? You haven't even won a europa cup or conference
And lost to Chelsea in the final of the CL
What is Steve on about
6 months later and city still better
Bro we are the best team in English football history and city only won 6 premier league 😂
Klopp definitely a better manager. Pep ripped it up because he always has a big budget & can get near enough any player he wants. Klopp has done wonders to get Liverpool back on top
and he isn't wrong...
Liverpool did indeed spend big money, but like usual we had to sell our best player to do so.
Man City can pull money out of their arses like it's nothing. 100 mil on Grealish for him to warm the bench - ridiculous stuff.
They won 3 PLs before grealish .
@@grealish2234 that wasn't my point?
@@grealish2234 défend what he said "pulling money out of abudabi daddy's ass"
Pep vs Klopp disappeared in 2023 and it ain’t a debate anymore.
Even as a Dortmund fan I believe Pep is better. Although it’s close and their stories are really different I believe Pep edges it because of his achievements with Barça between 2008 and 2012. That team is simply the best football team of all time and it’s not just the best team of all time because of the players. Before he arrived they didn’t win a title for 2 years when Messi, Iniesta and Xavi were already there. He was the one to implement the system that made them so strong. So he clearly played a crucial part in the making of the best team in the world. And in my opinion being the manager of the team that’s known to be the best team of all team while contributing a lot to its success beats any other achievement as a manager.
Klopp’s achievements at Dortmund and Liverpool are greater than Pep’s at Barcelona and City, and I say this as a United fan.
Pep’s so called great Barcelona team needed the help of the referees to even reach both the UCL finals in 2009 and 2011.
Pep has breached numerous doping regulations as player in Italy and as manager of Barcelona. He’s also head of the team that’s breached multiple ffp rules to win a UCL with City.
Klopp > Pep. And his football is more enjoyable to watch than Pep’s.
@@shahzadiraniu being a united fan tells it all lmao, I got the absolute utmost respect for klopp but pep is unarguably a top 2 coach of all time, there’s just no world where klopps greater then pep, no wonder u hate pep 😭 his barca made united and sir Alex look like a joke