Who makes the ALL TIME Liverpool & Chelsea XI? 👀 | Saturday Social ft Paul Machin & Rory Jennings
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On Saturday Social Paul Machin and Rory Jennings discuss the all-time Liverpool and Chelsea combined 11. Who makes the all-time Liverpool and Chelsea combined 11? Let us know in the comments!
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It's a shame how Rory forgot to mention that Terry and Carvalho once only conceded a record 15 goals in a season
@@otsman9503 WOOOOSSHHHH
😂
@@otsman9503 don’t be an idiot lad
@@otsman9503 u missed the joke
He mentioned it bro
Paul's comment about Ivanovic's tasty shoulders was tragically under appreciated. I don't think they even got it, but it was a worldie of a line
I only just got it reading this comment
OH
insane bars by Paul actually, fairs
I still don’t get it :(
@@fraserweir2024 Suarez bit ivanovic’s shoulder
Zola is an extremely underrated player historically. Was unfortunate he left before the money arrived, or he'd be talked about with the same love as number 10s like Bergkamp and Cantona. Would be absolute magic in the Firminio role in todays game.
Yep recency bias definitely goes against Zola a bit
And he arrived when he was 30 or so. He was supposed to be on the decline but lit up the stadium
Nowhere near luis Suarez though
@Josh G as far as whole careers go sure but you can't throw players who had a couple good years in an all time XI. Because then if they don't replicate those performances that taints the legacy. If someone comes to the Prem, breaks the goal record then leaves they'll have a better legacy than someone that comes to the Prem breaks the record then doesn't play to that level again. Suarez benefits from that bias. He didn't achieve nearly enough in the Premier League to be considered for an all time XI. Drogba would be my choice for striker.
How on earth haven’t hazard made this team madness probaly the most talented football player Chelsea ever had he was magic with a football
Mane is still better
Cause he didn't turn up every week , neither was he a big game player , hazard in terms of ability very good but his efforts have never been more than 70% in his whole career
@@eshaanbhat3732 hazard has the record for most man of matches in prem history. So…
I would argue as a non Chelsea fan that Hazard is the most naturally talented player to have played in Premier League alongside Bale.
@@eshaanbhat3732 not a big game player mate he could win a game on his own pick the ball up from no where and create score draw fouls when he was on top of his game in the prem no one came close to him
I love the way nobody knows who actually starts for Brazil. Allison has made 54 appearances for Brazil and Ederson has made 18
The year they played Ederson in the Copa america they didn’t even win 🤣🤣
i mean, that definitely depends on the manager, for eg, If managers like Pep managed Brazil, he would pick Ederson. Similarly, Pep not starting and fancying Zlatan or Toure in his team does not mean that they're not good.
@@kamsoobi008 yep. Brazil won the 2019 Copa America with Alisson in goal. They tried handing the reigns to Ederson for the 2021 Copa America but they fumbled & now Ederson has resumed his duties as Alisson’s water boy.
@@AshirwadSarmah as a GK alisson is clear saving shots and making big saves is what it's all about really and Ederson doesn't do that, yes he's amazing to watch with his feet unbelievable at times but he's not a good keeper.
@@cavanriley7373 that is a fair point, I was just saying that saying "Alisson has more apps for Brazil" isnt a fair argument, but the point you made is a fair argument to use in the comparison.
Paul Machin “You’re literally holding a picture of Dennis Wise” legendary comment.
Haha mate 🤣
14:40
I literally just came on to this part 😂
That is seriously so perfectly timed
Bet you haven't seen a single game of this player, yet disrespect him in the comments
Only Hazard can compare with Zola in terms of pure talent. Essien could have been one of the very best. Complete box-to-box midfielder. Shame about the injuries.
GK: Cech
RB: TAA
LB: Cole
CB's: Terry and VVD
CDM: Kante
CM: Lampard and Gerrard
RW: Salah
LW: Hazard
CF: Drogba
W
@@gilerzz491 agree with everything, except Suarez needs to be in the front 3.
Only right answer
@@TuraisWorldwide no way, Drogba all day
drogba with one season with 20+ goals no chance hes better than suarez and its not even close
Cech has won the golden glove in the PL the most and has had the most clean sheets in a season. Did you not remember cech clutching the CL by saving pens against messi (prime barca side) in the semis, saving pen from robben in extra time of the CL final against that monster Bayern team, and then saving a couple of pens against Bayern in shootout. That was cech at the end of his best years at chelsea. No comparison, maybe in the future.
So does Joe Hart
@@thenoisyneighbour so what? Why does ederson and Allison not have that record?
Facts.
didn't save a penalty against messi. messi hit the bar. Poor ball knowledge
@@ivarbullen4232 still counts as a save …
Imagine picking Ivanoic and Suarez in the same team
Well you have to give Suarez a food source
I would've left Ivanovic out, cause if you at least have Saurez in your team, you'll always have a bit of Ivanovic as well.
😭
Violation 😂😂
🤣🤣 Well it saves the team a Red Card that's for sure 😂
Suarez had BY FAR the best individual season in the prem and it’s not even debatable. Stats aside he played with a young sterling/countinho/hendo, a Gerrard past his prime, an amazing Sturridge that was out for 1/4 the season and a mediocre backline, and our depth was so awful we relied on victor moses and joe Allen to change the game. The only player comparable was Bale from the season prior.
Suarez was different with it, class
Who’s debating that?
@@Rkid26. Rory was
No one was ever debating that he didn't have the best individual season... bt you still can't put him in yr epl XI over world class players who has been there fr a long time....if Suarez did that non stop for a long time then for sure you can bt it's only one season that he stood out from the rest
@@joeutm212 Rory agreed he did have the best individual season 😂
Any time I watch Rory talk about football, I can’t stop wondering “how can a person know so much (stats-wise), yet so little about football”
He does my head in knows nlthing
Rory does take the mick too many times with his ridiculous comparisons, just talk football not stats class!!!
This right here...this is the comment i was looking for and didnt even know it
@@itsjayboydavid well stats are better if you wanna conpare if not by stats then its an opinion
Questioning Cech's levels after his head injury is a bit below the belt. Especially considering that although he was shaky for the first year or two after it occurred, he recovered and became the best in the world again. He was remarkable in 2012, the save from Carroll in the FA Cup final stands out alongside his heroics in the UCL penalty shootout.
It's just such an easy argument people go for because they heard someone else make the argument once and decided to copy it, without actually thinking about just how dam good he still was.
Agree with most of that other than the fact that the Carroll ‘save’ crossed the line
He was better with the helmet than without lol
@@bot-cf6ir The whole ball has to cross the line
And yet it seems fine for everyone to diminish Van Dijk after returning from his injury
GK- Cech
RB- Trent
CB- Terry
CB- VVD
LB- Cole
CDM- Kante
CM-Gerrard
CM- Lampard
RW- Salah
LW- Hazard
ST- Suarez
I won’t argue that Allison right now is not as good or even better than Cech was, but Cech done it for 10 years. In a few years it might be different. Ivanovic was excellent but his longevity doesn’t out shine Trents overall ability. Carvalho was excellent, underrated and made Terry world class by covering up for what Terry lacked, but you can’t leave out Terry and VVD. Cole and Robertson are world class but Cole has more years under his belt. Kante also has more years at the top than Fabinho. Drogba was massive big game player, zola was a gem and Mane has been fantastic and maybe in a year or 2 it’ll be different but Salah, Hazard at his peak and Suarez are mandatory
what about xabi alonso over kante
@@rakeshruparell6427 I’d definitely have Alonso in the Liverpool 11 over Thiago because Thiago has just had 1 good year in England. Kante was integral to Leicester winning the league and won the league and premier league player of the season in the same season at Chelsea. I think Alonso’s time at Liverpool is underrated but you can’t put a player in who wasn’t seen as the best CM in his own team at the time ahead of a CM who was premier league player of the year and at the heart of back to back league wins for 2 different clubs
Spot on with that team idk what anyone else is waffling on about
This is the only correct team
Hazard/Mane is the only debate but literally every other position is spot on and it’s not arguable. Mane or Hazard is purely preference it’s like rock n roll (Mane) vs jazz (Hazard)
I'm a Liverpool fan, and honestly putting Carra in there before Sami Hyypia is absolutely criminal IMO.
Who is that Liverpool fan he’s so biased
@@Ryan-ey6sj Carra man😂, average at best him hahaha
I'm a Chelsea fan and thought that was so strange. Wise over Makelele was pure nostalgia from Rory's end aswell.
@@Anonymous-xr8hx Yeah but there was no point bringing in Makelele and Kante to the table considering they played such similar roles.
Agger for carragher xabi Alonso for Thiago and mascherano for Fabinho
the longevity of Ricardo Carvalho was amazing it's a shame his stay at Real wasn't as successful due to conflicts with Mourinho but what he did for Porto and Chelsea was amazing, he had a calm style of CB and was a good passer for his time and won the Euros at 38 years of age
It’s Saturday, the sun it out, the Mrs and kids are away and I’m at home doing the washing up listening to these guys debate away. Lovin it.
Cherish these moments mate
Dream set up 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 you deserve this my friend
Rory saying that Zola goes above Hazard is actually mental. Hazard has the most PL motm awards ever, simple as that, he goes in the team!
Rory hates Hazard for some reason, Hazard was a way better player than virtually any winger ever in the Premier League, Ronaldo is the only comparable one
Mate just accept that he’s a romanticist, he appreciates football for the stories and the emotions
@@barry4649 this has to be a joke 😂. Gareth Bale in Spurs washes Hazard
@@barry4649 Lol no he wasn't
@@barry4649 Salah is miles clear of Hazard mate.
My Combined XI (Fan of neither team)
GK-Cech
RB-Trent
CB-VVD
CB-Terry
LB-Cole
CM-Gerrard
CM-Kante
CM-Lampard
RW-Salah
ST-Drogba
LW-Hazard
No Suarez are u mad
@@milneristhegoat6025 Not over Drogba plus His best Year's were in a barca shirt.
@@milneristhegoat6025 more worrying Ivanovic is left out tbf
Suarez clear
I'm going to take the striker that lead his time to the PL title on multiple occasionsover a Striker who's best football was played in spain..
My all time Chelsea x Liverpool XI
GK: Petr Cech
LB: Ashley Cole
CB: John Terry
CB: Virgil Van Dijk
RB: Trent Alexander Arnold
CM: Gerrard
CM: Lampard
CDM: Kante
LW: Hazard
ST: Drogba
RW: Salah
My team
There is no way Trent or Van Dijk get into that side. Chelsea quite literally have the greatest defence of all time except Milan. An actual joke, Van Dijk isn’t better than Carvallho or Desailly and Trent is isn’t a better defender than Ivanovic
If Trent was in that Chelsea team they would have concedes 30 goals. However they would have scored more as well.
Love your line up but Suarez was probably only even outscored Messi and Ronaldo at their peak. He was dominant in the PL he has to make the Xl
get drogba out of that side
Rory is a really good lad. I hope he has a long and healthy life. Top man. Paul is a great dude as well.
Is this Rory on his burner
I’m sure you hope you live Rory 😂😂
I feel like this is darkly sarcastic 😂
What about me? I'm a good lad too.
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Didier Drogba robbed! Loved being on. Thanks for having me.
Sadio mane robbed more like
Always fun to watch you & Paul argue 😂 my absolute favorites 👏
@roryjennings Zola sneaking in there is both impressive and deserved 👏🏻
How've you not put Hazard up mate
@@-RSH r u dumb g? U mean Hazard was robbed u dumb clown 🤡
Cheers for having me on. Sincere apologies to Gianfranco Zola, a good player but too small, slow and lacking in goals for this team 😁
Bro that Chelsea fan is on crack an idiot an embarrassment to football. And your just so chill haha
usually respect you Paul but that Hazard opinion is a big dent in how I rate your football knowledge. Think you're only saying that coz you have a Salah agenda. Also not mentioning coutinho at all and putting Thiago over him is ridiculous
@@RPCentral7 agreed. Honestly I’d have Henderson and Coutinho over Fabinho and Thiago
Drogba has 2 golden boots
@@RPCentral7 Nah he just said that to get back at Rory for the VVD comment lol.
GK: Kepa (or Karius)
RB: Nathaniel Clyne
CB: Kolo Toure
CB: Kolo Toure
LB: Baba Rahman
RM: Sheyi Ojo
CM: Kevin Stewart
LM: Ryan Kent
RW: Divock Origi
CF: Brendan Rodgers
LW: Divock Origi
I know Toure and Origi are such icons it makes sense to pick them twice, but SURELY someone like Lovren or Sakho deserves to make the team as well? And how could you forget Ryan Bertrand's legendary performance on the left wing in the Champions League final?
Agree with Rory. As a full back, Robertson is not in the same bracket as Cole, Alves, Maldini and Lahm.
Don't forget Robertson only cost 8 million.
Why? He's light years ahead of Cole going forward.
Neither is Trent
@@NathansWargames Cole was £5 mil with the snake Gallas going the other way (pound-for-pound that's incredible value, even for the time)
@@Swan94y He can be better than all of them he’s only 23
Chelsea team: swap Wise for Makelele
Liverpool team: swap Thiago for Xabi Alonso and also Carragher for Hypia.
Exactly
Finally some sensible comment
I think we remember Alonso being better than he was because the team wasn't as talented back then, so his style and technique stood out more. I think Thiago is a miles better player. 100% agree on the rest though
Or maybe he had a harder time in an awful team. Put him in this Liverpool team
For me Chelsea 11:
GK: Petr Cech
LB: Ashley Cole
CB: John Terry
CB: Ricardo Carvalho
RB: Cesar Azpilicueta
CDM: N’Golo Kante
CDM: Claude Makelele
CAM: Frank Lampard
LW: Eden Hazard
ST: Didier Drogba
RW: Gianfranco Zola
Liverpool 11:
GK: Alisson
LB: Andrew Robertson
CB: Virgil Van Dijk
CB: Javier Mascherano (needs to be in team but tough to put him in midfield)
RB: Trent Alexander-Arnold
CDM: Xabi Alonso
CM: Steven Gerrard
CM: Thiago Alcantara
RW: Mohammed Salah
ST: Luis Suarez
LW: Sadio Mane
Drogba...changed the premier league...defined the lone striker role......he was the face who restored faith of Chelsea fans..if he was there then Chelsea would always win trophies
But Is not better than suarez. No chance
Suarez is twice the player Drogba ever was
Suarez didn’t take pens. He scored 31 goals in 34 games. 14 assists. Gerrard took 14 pens that season. If Suarez took the pens and played more games, he would have easily scored over 40 goals
@@joshg2603 Drogba didnt take pens either. Lampard did
@@joshg2603 he also has the fifth highest non penalty G/A /90 in league history.
i love every discussion that involved Paul Machin, he is a phenom as Liverpool fans representative
Suarez scored 31 goals WITHOUT penalty and that season Gerrard scored 10 from penalty
Against relegation fodder. Drogba scores important big game goals that actually won trophies.
@@JnoPrds how can you put 'big games that win trophies' to PL context? what type of match is that 'BIG GAME'? and give me the stat or data to back your argument up
if you wider the context outside PL, then Suarez is a clear winner no matter what context you put on
what i love about Machin is, he always argue within context (that sometime narrowing his argument in the debate that clearly he can win)
I’m a Liverpool fan and yes Suarez had one good albeit extra-ordinary season for us, but if this argument is based on premier league alone, then Drogba ahead of Suarez based on his longevity and moreover Drogba was a beast; he turned up on several grand occasions for chelsea
@@nnaemekaokoro1394 then, if the argument is longetivity and trophy, no one from Liverpool in the team, so to get even one to the team, our man Paul clearly argue on skill and completely deny any argument around longetivity and trophy from the start
they created PL combined team based on skill and eye test, and the impact of player to PL as a whole
that why, TAA and Cole there, both revolutionise the role of Fullback
VVD, Gerrard, and Salah is the best we ever seen for their respective position
and then, there is Suarez, the best PL striker based on everything possible you can think, except longetivity and trophy
@Faqih Abdurrahman people like you need people like us to put 'big games that will trophies' into context for you because its not as easy as just looking up their stats and thinking the one with better stats was the better player. So many people who weren't around to watch them play inform themselves in this was and it leads to disrespect on so many players. I can't give you stats but I can try and explain it to you.
Before Drogba and Mourinho most teams in the PL played with 2 strikers. Then they came and Drogba did everything himself. He was the focal point of Chelsea's attack. His holdup play, awareness and ability to bring his teammates into play was unbelievable. Its about the technical aspects of the game. The keeper or defence could kick it up the pitch and Drogba's first touch and control was just perfect. He did it all by himself and that allowed Mourinho to pack the midfield so it was 3 against 2 most games. All these things Drogba did helped them win games. And that's all football is about. It's not about boosting your own stats and waiting for tap ins. It's about getting results and winning trophies. And the things he did made Chelsea really hard to beat for years. He didn't need to score as Man as other strikers because he was doing so much in the buildup to goals. Making runs, occupying both CBs and creating space for teammates etc.
To add to it all when his team really needed a goal, he was the one that always scored. It wasn't luck because he did it for years. He scored in like 10 different cup finals (one of them obviously being at the end of the Champions League final in 2012). And he was constantly scoring in the big Premier League games (ask any Arsenal fan that was around at the time seriously). And in that 09/10 season where he got 29 goals and 13 assists in 32 games (37 and 16 in 44 all comps) so many of them came against the big 6. Like a ridiculous number.
It's hard for people who didn't watch him because they can't just look up the stats and decide but there's a reason he has the reputation he does and there's a reason he's put on a pedestal with players with much better stats.
GK-Cech
RB-Trent
CB-Terry
CB-Van Dijk
LB-Cole
CM-Lampard
CM-Kante
CM-Gerrard
RW-Salah
ST-Suarez
LW-Hazard
Now THIS is the perfect combined starting 11!
Absolutely perfect
Hmm. I'd still go with Drogba, for the fact that Suarez was only at Liverpool for two or three years and never won anything. Drogba consistently won us trophies for close to a decade
Pretty good for me…but, Kante in the “Makalele” role?
@@tankourito5419 of course you would still go with drogba, you’re a Chelsea fan. It’s a fact that Suarez was the better player though, and by some distance
The idea of Čech vs Alisson needing to be debated is laughable. Alisson has had four seasons in the Prem that don't come close to Čech's first five seasons, he's had one 80% saves vs SoT season in his entire career at Roma and only one above 75% in the Prem. Čech was the best goalie in the Prem and arguably the world in an era when it was harder to stand out, after a traumatic brain injury as well. Liverpool can get away with lesser quality between the posts because their system (and brilliance in executing it) ensures the ball is mostly kept in the other half. Čech would have not only faced more chances closer to his goal but from better goalscorers too. Even fairly recently in his last two seasons (at age 35/36) he faced higher quality chances as illustrated by his higher PSxG/SoT, and that was his only season that barely dropped below the 70% save rate that Alisson is struggling to just average above in his prime.
Even better, Čech was still performing at a higher level in his first two seasons at Arsenal. It's objectively not even worth discussing.
In the modern game Allison is by far the better keeper.
Distribution is much more important, cech and de gea are maybe the best of the old generation of keepers.
They aren't wanted by clubs now
What are you on about the Liverpool cbs are at half way line every game cech would get found out very easily in that system ali is levels above
That is ridiculous. In terms of impact Alisson has probably been Liverpools best signing. Also there's more to a goalkeepers game than save percentage, I'm also remembering back then a lot more shots coming from long range strikers of the ball than what we see today.
yes let's ignore the fact that liverpool's back line is sat on the halfway line... i'm not saying Alisson is over Cech but your arguement is nonsense. (btw nice try with trying to back ur arguement up with more numbers than there actually is, nice eye deception)
Cech beats Allison in every aspect accept Allison has better feet. Both brilliant keepers tho
Hazard not making this team is hilarious. Light years ahead of everyone on this team
Hahahaha definitely a stretch. Suarez is the best player in this whole team by miles
@@shayannazeri76 hazard and Suarez easily make the best
Nope
@@shayannazeri76 nah Suarez ain't better than Hazard bt they are similar
@@qwerty12476 yeap
14:40 when they were discussing Thiago's ball playing abilities and he says "you're literally holding a picture of Dennis Wise" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
When Paul was insulting zola you could just see Rory's soul leave his body hahahaha
Paul has no class whatsoever
@@harryfalm3118 as a liverpool fan, paul has a lot of bias but i love him for it icl
@Simon w But he is right. VvD is the best in the game today; but nowhere near the best of the Prem, forget the Baresis and Maldinis.
Comparing VvD to Desailly is like comparing Haaland to Brazillian Ronaldo. Best today but no where near what it was.
@@preetjitsingh328 dude vvd is one of the best ever at cb and desailly was great but vvd has been a way better player than him overall don't care if you think this is recency bias vvd is way better cb than desailly and for me their is no cb that ever played in the pl better than vvd
@@arsh_1092 That is nuts! No where near. Even Desailly one of the best in Prem, was not near Baresi and Maldini.
Desailly was way better. Look at the stats. Desailly captained the world cup victory. Started the nice football by Chelsea. Went up against the likes of Henry, Cantona, Owen and kept them quiet.
The likes of Overmars and Leonardo know what they are talking about. There are no #9 or #9.5.
CR7 should not be scoring as many goals as he does today. It's just that not many do play that role he does. So against a 37 year old CR7 and others, VvD looks good.
Here is how I compare them:
Marking: Desailly
Reading of game: Desailly
Tackling: Desailly
Heading : equal
Passing: VvD
Speed: before Desailly mid 30s, equal
Commanding the line: Desailly
Hazard over Zola for me. Hazard has the most motm awards in PL history. Okay he didn’t get 20 a season but he created things with his dribbling and passing. He changed big games. And can still remember both of his ridiculous solo goals at anfield in the league and the carabao cup.
Hazard is the most overrated player ever
Rory is living in nostalgia. Zola Frank Joe Cole have all come out and said Hazard is the best player to play for Chelsea. Best PL player of the 2010s and one of the best in the Messi/Ronaldo generation.
@@train_simulaton_omar1637 if they’ve said that then they are all wrong. Most talented maybe but not best. He didn’t produce enough to be in that bracket. He didn’t win enough either. Robben was a far better player than hazard ever was:)
@@fredyscanlan so now you know more than the Chelsea legends? Hazard at Chelsea was far better than Robben was at Chelsea
@@train_simulaton_omar1637 people were calling him overrated at Chelsea his UCL record is awful. Brilliant talent Terrible mentality got his dream move and turned up overweight nah not a chance that isn't professional.
Paul and Rory are such a perfect comedic pair - Rory’s complete absurdity next to Paul’s dry wit, they’re so funny together
Drogba scored 29 goals in 30 games in the prem back in 2011 I think, also scored in the champions league and FA cup multiple times.
Edit: Just checked it was in 2009/10 and he scored 29 goals and 13 assists in 32 games, he also had more goals per minute than Suarez in his best season.
im not trying to say he had a better season but it is pretty comparable.
one played for chelsea marseille and galatasary, the other played for Ajax, Liverpool, Barcelona and Athletico Madrid, and is probably the best 9 the world has ever seen apart from R9. it's only comparable if u forget everything else apart from prem trophies.
Drogba won two golden boots, so it's unfair to say that he didn't score goals
His goal to game ratio is a joke
Wasn't prolific thou
@@timhansejordet9056 his non penalty goal ratio is nearly identical to Shearer. He just didn’t take penalties
@@timhansejordet9056 Has the fifth highest non penalty G/A /90 in league history. His output was incredible.
@@train_simulaton_omar1637 people have him in such low regard because they don't apply any context to his numbers at all. he was a complete forward on top of that
Bruv Thiago😂😂he’s been there for like 8/9 months how is he in the conversation for best in the premier league era???
I would of possibly put Xabi Alonso inatead of thiago
2 years
Yea Thiago was the worst pick out of everyone
Ability as at time playing counts.
Yup that Liverpool guy was a joke.
On talent alone, Suarez is the best player I've ever seen at Liverpool in 40 years of watching. So yeah, I agree on him being included here.
It’s incredible to know that Ashley Cole is considered the greatest left back of all time in England and outside of England he is just considered as a good left back from the 2000s.
That is incredible. He was the best left back in the world for a good 5 - 7 years. But many people don't really understand the game at all.
wot…
He’s overrated in England. Was a good left back but the way some people go on about him is mad
@@lk7923 he isn’t overrated and I’m a Liverpool fan so no sentiments attached. Ashley Cole was damn too good in his prime and let’s not forget he was also a huge part of Arsenal’s invincibles.
England players are always hyped up when the rest of the world doesn’t really care
I am a Chelsea fan and this is my combined team:
GK: Petr Cech
LB: Ashley Cole
CB: John Terry
CB: Virgil Van Dijk
RB: Trent Alexander-Arnold
CDM: N’Golo Kante
CM: Steven Gerrard
CM: Frank Lampard
RW: Mohammed Salah
ST: Luis Suarez
LW: Eden Hazard
Spot on
W
Right on
That is perfect
Id take Fabihno over Kante personally but yeah thats a boss 11
Back 5 picks itself but this is tough
Cech
Trent Terry VVD Cole
Lampard Kante Gerrard
Salah Suarez Hazard
Such a difficult task but I think I agree with this, given the selection on offer 👍
This is an elite team damn 😂😂
I am sorry but trent is so overrated all time wise
I am sorry but trent is so overrated all time wise
@@aungkhant1850 not really just that rb is a very weak -position in the prem
People love to say Drogba didn’t score goals but what did you expect when he played with the greatest goal scoring midfielder of all time. The goals were shared. Drogba could have easily had more goals
Hazard might be becoming the most underrated player of all time
Agreed
It's funny that for Lampard /Gerrard every agrees that stats should be ignored. But for Hazard and Drogba/ Suarez and Mane you are looking at Stats.
I noticed for Kante he's in because of the titles he helped Chelsea win, but Zola got in despite not winning them. Suppose it's whatever works to suit your agenda 😂
@@stevenandrews3891 Notice how Zola and kante played completely different roles 🤔.
Liverpool fans using whether metric that suits their agenda. What else is new 🤣🤣
@@harryfalm3118 I'm not making a point to suit any Liverpool bias, just stating how Rory said Kante's in because he's helped Chelsea win titles. But then ignored Mane despite him helping Liverpool win those same titles, titles Zola never won with Chelsea. I've nothing against Zola being in the team, just making a point about how they change the metric used to include who they want to include (like only judging Thiago for his time at Liverpool but including Kante's league-winning season at Leicester as a further reason for his inclusion, ignoring Fab winning the French league over PSG)
Cause they’re forwards. 100% the stats do matter for them.
How can you even have the cheek to argue Robertson over Cole 🤦♂️
@J D no offence to Robertson but he is nowhere near as good as Cole
@J D and Ashley cole is the best left back ever
Going forward Robertson.. defensively cole
@@James-yc3wm as an overall fullback, its cole.
well if I was to pick any premier league LB that is closest to Cole, it would be Robertson
Can’t believe Roberto Carlos hasn’t been mentioned as the best LB in the world!
Gk - Cech
RB - Trent Alexander-Arnold
CB - Terry and VVD
LB - Cole
CM - Kante, Gerrard and Lampard
RW - Salah
St - Suarez
LW - Hazard
The only team that makes sense here.
W
I think fabregas xabi Alonso and kante are interchangeable but very on point
I also think Carvalho could swap with virg. That Chelsea defense was otherworldy
I can’t fathom the disrespect Drogba gets. As time passes, a legend like Drogba who has been inducted into the pl hall of fame I might, should grow in stature as we appreciate their legacy. However, people simply do not understand nor appreciate his role as a target man. The man occupied defences all on his own and brought the whole team into the game through his physicality and hold up play. His intelligence, assists record and aerial prowess alone more than makes up for any goal scoring deficiencies. 2 golden boots and 164 goals from a targetman who can get in behind, pass and dribble makes him the ultimate number 9 that can do almost everything. Should have been the first name in the team.
Agreed think there's a bit of a myth he didn't score goals but his numbers aren't even that bad, just not elite. Then there's everything else he brought so would be in there for me.
yeah i agree mate, but clearly the liverpool fan wasnt really being honest as he tried to debate cole v robertson. Suarez was a top player for 1 year at liverpool where drogba was best in the world for a few years
Drogba did get massively disrespected here, but if we're being honest, Suarez is clear.
The man is arguably the best ST of his generation (for me ahead of Lewandowski and Benz)
@@De3dSh0t Not as a Liverpool player though.
@@cfcwhit3247 Drogba was never best in the world, he was great for 6 or 7 years but never the greatest, Suarez had 2 years at Liverpool where he was unplayable. It’s a matter of opinion, there’s no right or wrong choice between them
It’s all goals to games and stats for mane V hazard but when it’s Lampard V Gerrard the goals shouldn’t matter and it’s about the style
They played the same position but a different role…Lampard was way more advanced than Gerrard, who had to do more defensive work
Goals matter for attackers passing defending and attacking matter for cms
Wingers score goals/get assists. Cams have different types and Lampard was way more attacking than Gerrard. It’s different positions lad
@@mcslipper8875 hazards a better playmaker
Not really, the reason you can’t compare goals to game ratio with Gerrard vs Lampard is Lampard played in far superior teams
Ashley cole is always named as the toughest defenders by all time greatest prem players like Sarah and Cristiano Ronaldo. I believe he definitely is among the best four backs of all time and I’m a United fan
“He just did that” LOOOOOOOOL!!!! Rory is the best thing on UA-cam man 🤣
How come there's all this chat about that one Suarez season where he scored against relegation fodder, but no one ever mentions that Drogba scored 29 goals and made 13 assists in the PL in 09/10. He only played 32 games.
Exactly, and Lampard took 90% of the penalties that season. Drogba also went to afcons that year. Missed some games. So impressive. Winning the PL title too.
And lampard took the penalties...like if drogba took the penalties like salah he'd have comfortably gotten 35 goals
Suarez scored 31 and assisted 17 while playing 33 games in 2014...playing with Jon Flanagan Aly Cisoko and Joe Allen..not even a comparison when you consider their ability on the ball and workrate/pressing off it.... in that year Suarez battered all the big teams singlehandedly aswell Arsenal Spurs Chelsea United and City....different gravy
Because people remember too much of historical narratives and not reality
Because Suarez had literally the best attacking season the PL has ever seen and missed the first 8 games.
Didier was great but when you average 7 goals a season for 7 of your 9 years, I laugh when you get compared to someone Suarez!!
the fact that these guys really argued Alison vs Cech is beyond stupid 😂
I love Alison but it’s not even a conversation!!!
Not only does Cech has that 15 conceded goals record, he is probably the only goal keeper in the world that was forced to take a blood/urine test after displaying an almost supernatural performance during the UCL final against Bayern... he carried that Chelsea team in that game to glory. He won the first UCL for Chelsea!! When everyone else was celebrating in the dressing room, he was taken away to take a freaking urine test lol
totally agree. people forget that cech literally held the world record for minutes without conceding. When talking goalkeeping, during his era cech was beyond stupid for quality. Only world record alisson had was his record transfer fee as a gk to liverpool at the time lol
@@adamjhillman_ Only Edwin van der Sar is clear of cech
@@harryfalm3118 No. Van Der Sar has 132 clean sheets, Cech has 202 (thats 70 more btw)
@@harryfalm3118 In terms of the Premier League era there is only one keeper who is up there with Cech and it's Schmeichel. Van der Sar was a fantastic keeper but he played the majority of his career at other clubs and definitely wasn't as dominant as either Cech or Schmeichel in the Prem.
Alisson is a better goalie, but we'll play up to nostalgia.
We've all seen Cech try playing in a highline before
GK: Cech
RB: TAA
LB: Cole
CB's: Terry and VVD
CDM: Kante
CM: Lampard and Gerrard
RW: Salah
LW: Zola
CF: Drogba
Joe Thomlinson has really good ball knowledge, every time he chimed in I nearly agreed. Hazard is so disresepcted
Liverpool fan here, My all time Liverpool Chelsea 11, cech, Trent, John terry, Virgil van dijk, Ashley Cole ,makalale, Steven Gerrard, frank lampard, Eden hazard, drogba And salah that’s my all time 11
Exactly the same as yours bro
Chelsea fan and I got the exact same one :) how can he not put hazard in the team. Freaking disgrace
Drogba is not better than Suarez you’re absolutely delusional
Chelsea fan, and almost exactly the same, but Kante over Makelele and unfortunately Suarez (who I loathe) over Drogba (who I love) 😅
Drogba over Suarez, did u watch Liverpool in 2014?
You will never see Terry or Carvalho concede 7 goals to Villa…
terrible argument
Literally just thinking this.
You will never see van dijk and matip bottle a quarter final and lose to arsenal 4 2 🤣🤣🤣🤣
And you won’t see them play in a side which achieved 90 plus points in 3 out of 4 seasons and reach 3 champions league finals in 5 years . FACTS
Hope Liv win today
It’s so much easier to score goals since about 2010. The number of handballs and fouls given makes defending ridiculously hard to do effectively like the man U, arsenal and chelsea teams of the 90s and early 00s were able to do
For Liverpool I'd choose Owen wh9 would make the final squad cuz young Micheal Owen in his prime was untouchable
Also if Saurez played at least 5 seasons he would be here no doubt
Gk- Cech
Rb- trent
Cb- terry
Cb- van dijk
Lb- cole
Cm- Lampard
Cm- Gerard
Cm- Kante
Rw - salah
Lw- hazard
St- Drogba
Nice
Same exept drogba out suarez in
LoL.. Drogba.. Mane is a much better player.. let alone Suarez.
@@yomomma98989 drogba better than mane
My man put Thiago in there after 1 season, he’s funny
Fr tho
I’d pick Hendo over Thiago 100%
Because it’s about how GOOD, not how LONG!
@@brentmeistergeneral6074 bro thiago has been decent for liverpool
It would be nice to see these kinda videos with people who know about football. Picking Thiago in all time XI is mental. Leaving Hazard out is even more mental.
Reberto Carlos was pretty world class at full back, phillip lahm, Maldini these are all guys who have a shout to being the greatest
4:27 Alisson has 54 caps, Ederson has 18. Alisson is deffo first choice Brazil goalie
Ederson is still better
@@hbsblkk3842 hell no
No he isn’t, literally a year ago he (Ederson) was the first choice gk
Exactly like alisson was the clear number 1 through the 2019 copa they won, since then they’ve literally alternated and that’s where most of edersons 18 caps have come from. Like In the most recent copa and World Cup campaign they literally alternated every game (even third choice weverton got a game here and there). They’re like a year apart In age and alisson has almost 40 more caps of course Brazil prefers to play him.
GK: Cech
RB: Trent
CB: Terry
CB: Virgil
LB: Cole
CDM: Makeliele
CM: Steven
CM: Lampard
RW: Salah
ST: Drogba
LW: Hazard
Suarez over drogba and Kante over makalele
Only one id argue is Ivanovic for trent other than that it bangs
@@nathanfranklin1151 Nope u must be high on class A as Suarez scored 4 hattrick against Norwich
@@darkstar4102 drogba in the PL wasn't that great - bar 2 seasons his goal returns in the league were very poor. So he may of been around for a number of years but really was only a top league striker for 2 of them. Suarez had the greatest individual season I'd say in prem history. I'd even put prime Torres who came third in the ballon d'Or ahead of the drogba. Just go watch that 13/14 Suarez season again, man was scoring unreal goals most weeks. I say that as a united fan 😂
@@nathanfranklin1151 Yep Sureaz is one season wonder lol Drogba won golden boot twice.
Michael Ballack forgot to mention that today's football is also much much more inclusive offensively when it comes to defenders. Back in the days defenders were just that: defenders. Nowadays even goalkeepers must be great football players - so do the center backs. Also the right/left backs basically make or break a team's success nowadays: if you dont have great outside backs you are not competing for titles...
It’s not only about goals and assists, people tend to get blinded by that these days. Even attacking players can bring so much to the team without being the one scoring the goal or providing the assist. Eden hazard dominated games in his pomp, as did drogba, and not just the basic premier league games. Harry Kane has outscored drogba massively over his career, but how much weight do you put on a hat-trick against Norwich vs a goal in an fa cup or champions league final? One might win you the golden boot, but the other wins you the champions league.
The disrespect to Drogba is insane 😂
That’s what happens when you average 7 goals a season for 7 seasons (take away his two good years) as a striker… He was strong… thats it. Not at same level as the rest.
@@brentmeistergeneral6074 take away his 2 good years . Well no? Cuz u only say that because if u don’t. U have no point
Drogba was a big game player who had a set of fantastic moments and for that reason is a Premier League icon but Suarez was simply a much more consistent player who literally had the best individual season in prem history
Ikr, and they left out Andy Carroll all together
@@brentmeistergeneral6074 Take away his good years and he's not had any good years? what kind of argument is that.
My ALL TIME Liverpool & Chelsea XI with 4-3-3 formation:
Petr Cech, Reece James, Ashley Cole, John Terry, Virgil van Dijk, N'Golo Kante, Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, Sadio Mané, Didier Drogba, Fernando Torres
It’s about stats until it’s a conversation about lampard and Gerrard😂
Stats is all lampard has because in regards to pure footballing ability lampard lives in Gerrards shadow
@@OSCARFROG same applies to Hazard and Salah
@@lk7923 yeah Hazard was miles above Salah...and also the way he carried his team was unbelievable
Drogba over Suarez. Got to give it to Rory for his consistency and leadership argument.
Leadership? Suarez led our team through carrying us for a whole season. That’s genuine leadership, not going ‘oh come on lads let’s do a bit better’
Drogba’s record isn’t great in the PL…254 games 104 goals is nothing special considering he was playing for the best team
@@bot-cf6ir He led you to a carling cup congrats, if thats the level of leadership then im taking Drogba.
Saures also jumped ship and then went on to be better, he wasnt top when he was prem like Drogba was
@@GIBBO4182 Drogba 168 goal contributions in 254 games for his time in the Premier League.
Yes... he wasn't as a prolific scorer as Suarez. His goals though carried Chelsea to more league titles and trophies than Suarez did in his time in the top division of English Football. If Luis had stayed for longer then he would probably be ahead of him in the pecking order. But he left Liverpool to be more successful in La Liga with Barcelona.
Drogba is things made of LEGEND....
I strongly disagree with Liverpool top eleven. Samy Hypia was better than Caragher. Even Daniel Agger and Skrtel were really good. This is my best 11:
Allison
Trent. Hypia VVD. Robo
Mascherano
Gerrard. Coutinho
Salah. Torres. Suárez.
I’d argue against countinho and for wijnaldum. Ridiculously underrated.
GK: Petr Cech
RB: Branislav Ivanovic
CB: Jamie Carragher
CB: John Terry
LB: Ashley Cole (Biggest no brainer)
CM: Steven Gerrard
CM: Michael Ballack
CM: Frank Lampard
RW: Mohammed Salah
ST: Luis Suarez
LW: Eden Hazard
Cech wipes the floor with alisson why are they even discussing it
because Allison is only keeper to ever win 3 golden gloves in one season
Probably because one played for a Mourinho coached defensive Chelsea team and one is playing for a Klopp coached high line playing Liverpool team. You can say Cech was better, but don’t make it seem like Ali doesn’t deserve a shout.
Probably because one played for a Mourinho coached defensive Chelsea team and one is playing for a Klopp coached high line playing Liverpool team. You can say Cech was better, but don’t make it seem like Ali doesn’t deserve a shout.
Probably because one played for a Mourinho coached defensive Chelsea team and one is playing for a Klopp coached high line playing Liverpool team. You can say Cech was better, but don’t make it seem like Ali doesn’t deserve a shout.
Hazard was so disrespected in this conversation
Alisson is an Elite level Goalkeeper, and arguably the 2nd best in the world at the moment, (Behind Jan Oblak IMO) But Cech gathering 1,005 saves with 202 Clean sheets in 443 appearances is staggeringly underrated, He quite Literally is the best Goalkeeper of the premier league era. Ofc there will always be the argument over Schmeichel too. But Cech was honestly a one level above Schmeichel.
Why they forgot about El Ninho???
He was the best ever in his time at Liverpool, and chelsea fans know it absolutely better than anybody else.
His transfer to chelsea ruined all his career, but what class of player he was, why nobody didn't tell about him
Suarez was better than Torres as good as Torres was.
Man said he never seen more talented midfielder than Thiago.
I’m guessing zidane played golf 🥱
Probably never rated Thiago before he joined liverpool
The presenter, who is also a Man Utd fan, said after messi he was the best player he’d ever seen live. It’s called an opinion mate
He meant live not on tv
He meant live you bellend listen to what he said “🥱🥱”
People forget drogba was rattled with injuries at his prime and came back even stronger
My Chelsea XI would be this
(4-2-3-1)
ST- Drogba
CAM - Lampard CAM - Deco
CAM - Fabregas
CDM - Essien CDM - Ballack
LB - A. Cole CB- Terry CB - Carvalho RB - Ivanovic
GK- Cech
Bench:
D. Costa; Eto'o; Robben; T. Silva; Makélélé; Azpilicueta; Ruud Gullit; Di Matteo; Zola
Manager: José Mourinho
i agree
get ballack on CAM in place of Deco, and makelele on CDM
I know he's a Chelsea fan but from a united fan, 100% agree with Rory about Ashley Cole, for me he's the best LB I've ever seen play and ever likely to see NO DOUBT ❤️
They kind of bogged themselves in by going with a 433. I would have had it as a 442 and gone:
Cech
Trent VVD Terry Cole
Salah Gerrard Lampard Hazard
Drogba Suarez
Too attackish
Gerrard and lampard can be box to box to be fair
this is exactly what didnt work for england, lampard and gerrard need a midfielder behind them so 433 is better
I’m a city fan but wouldn’t you have xabi alonso over Thiago
Paul Machin and Rory Jennings: what a combo!
The best combined Liverpool and Chelsea XI:
Goalkeeper: Cech
Defenders: Ashley Cole, Terry, Carragher, Trent
Midfielders: Lampard, Gerrard, Makelele
Forwards: Drogba, Torres, Hazard
I don't think there's any team in the Premier League better than this.
Hazard is levels above Mane. I'm a Chelsea fan but the things he did when at his prime he was the third best player in the world.
He's much more creative and tricky than Mane.
If I remember correctly, the third best player at the time was Neymar.
@@zwavhudimudzanani9335 Hazard was the 3rd best player itw in his last season at Chelsea
Did he even win the champions league with chelsea
Disappeared in the big games
@@jamescain707 literally scored a single penalty outside the group stages in Europe
GK-Cech
RB-Trent
CB-Terry
CB-Van Dijk
LB-Cole
CM-Lampard
CM-Kante
CM-Gerrard
RW-Salah
ST- Torres
LW-Hazard
Swap Torres for Drogba, every day of the week
Swap Torres for either Droga or Suarez and that would be my team too.
GK: Alisson Becker
RB: Cesar Azpilicueta
RCB: John Terry
LCB: Virgil Van Dijk
LB: Ashley Cole
CDM: N’Golo Kante
RCM: Frank Lampard
LCM: Steven Gerrard
RW: Mohammed Salah
ST: Didier Drogba
LW: Eden Hazard
Salah & Mane should not be anywhere near Drogba, Suárez & Hazard in terms of all time forwards in Premier League. Suárez only makes the list based on his brilliant season. Drogba has 4 titles and Hazard has 2 FFS
I like Rory but there’s absolutely no way VVD is that overrated. He’s been the best CB in the world since he joined Liverpool yet he’s being compared to Carvalho😂😂
You clearly never watched Carvalho play, and there are no other great centre backs currently. It's easy to be the best when the people equal to you or better than you are all retired
Van Dijk's competition is Diaz. It says it all
@Harry Stevenson take Terry away and carvalho showed how average he was. Genuinely on maguires level, not as clumsy
@@tankourito5419 I have no doubt he was an incredible player but Van Dijk is genuinely flawless as a defender
@@ashwilliams4959 didn’t Carvalho win the Champions League without Terry?
@Harry Stevenson Calvalho was an absolute beast, possibly IMO even better than Terry in that partnership, but he played in a Mourinho system that was setup super defensively, there's no way he'd be anywhere near as good in Liverpool's high line. VVD could play in any defensive setup and be a god, easily the best defender in the world and it's not close.
How Xabi alonso Robbie Fowler mancherano and Ian rush didn't make it
(Ian rush played in 1993-94 season so it's count as he played in the premier league)
In that case, I’d stick Barnes in midfield!
The only positions I find debatable are RB and ST.
TAA and Ivanovic will always go down to wanting a defensive full back or attacking. But Ivanovic also had a thing for scoring goals too.
The Drogba and Suarez one is ridiculously tight to call. You’d need a neutral to decide on that as each fan would pick their own
Drogba has a case I'd agree, but there's no way on God's green Earth Ivanovic gets in over TAA that's pure Chelsea bias
Drogba or Suarez?
Consistency was brought up as an argument for drogba. He was a big game player that didn’t score as consistently as Suarez
That’s why I’d choose Suarez
Suarez scored 0.63 goals a game, assisted 0.21 a game.
Drogba scored 0.40 goals a game and assisted 0.22 a game.
Suarez clearly ahead. Better at everything except headers and even then he was very good at headers. Considering the teams they were in as well. Drogba is idolised and overrated.
Rory putting Denis wise in his team 😂
i was shocked as a Chelsea fan
I couldn’t believe it 😂
Realistically that spot should be Jorginho or Essien but both were great for like 2 years max
@@barry4649 Jorginho is nowhere near. It should be makelele
@@Sahota2002 I agree. Jorginho isn't consistent for long periods
How is Maych not putting Hyypiä into his Liverpool XI? He's our best CB after VVD in the Prem era for sure
Feel like it was strange not to mention Xabi Alonso too
Carra was obviously a sentimental shout
Cech
Ivanovic
Terry
VVD
Cole
Lampard
Gerrard
Kante
Hazard
Suarez
Drogba
442
Wouldn’t work as 442 but I want the best players, maybe mane on left for kante as RM/LM but even that wouldn’t work because Gerard’s and Lampard ain’t holding midfielders but I can’t believe Torres isn’t in the conversation, he was utter class when he was at Liverpool, so explosive and his finishing was so good
The thing that gets me about these is that when someone has a player that has retired there is a lot of nostalgia and “over their career”. So the argument starts where xyz player played well over 10 years vs a current player who has only been there for 3 years. Safe option “Best ALL TIME First XI (retired)”.
Thiago plays well for half a season and now he’s in the all time team
Agree, should've been Alonso or Henderson in place of Thiago
That’s Liverpool fans for you, they complete a couple of passes and suddenly they’re the best in the world
Kronos has been doing that for 8 years
Thiago has been great for 2 seasons, only thing that's been a let down are his injuries. Fantastic from the word go when he came on against Chelsea, and save for a single game against Leicester been consistently great