Looked at a 2016 Chevy 2500HD High Country
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
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ford chevy Dodge who cares these new trucks are way overpriced
Cory Lambertson just like your canam picture the double the price of any honda kawi and yamaha but they are very good machines still
Double the price? Lol! I bought mine as a new holdover for 1000 dollars less than a grizzly or king quad just a fyi
Cory Lambertson huh every where i have looked they are always a good chunk of change more but you do pay for what you get on a canam
it was 2 years old when I bought it new from a small dealership so I got a great deal on it...and once you own one you know why they are more money...I've had 4 of them
Cory Lambertson The working mans truck the working man can't afford
some like chevy some like ford. at least this guy was honest and didt talk a bunch of shit.
it is all personal preference. each has high points and low points. each has their own issues
Tony Thomason
holy shit it has the same wax coating that GM has used since 1988, what a surprise...
SMiller5488 yes it comes off very easy. I work on GM vehicles for a living. they're easy to work ok for the most part, but my biggest issue with GM is that they just leak. the majority of ford's and dodge vehicles I see are hardly ever leaking. but GM vehicles are very bad about leaks, and seeps.
D to Tha A where do you work on GM vehicles? I guess it's possible they send all of the ones with factory leaks over your way. I work the parts count at a Chevy dealer, and I don't see the same problem.
Matthan Nollman Bad rear main seals and bad intake gaskets. I've had a 93 Camaro, 97 Silverado, and an 01 Lumina all with these problems. Had a 86 K10 and the 97 Silverado with bad transmissions. No more GMs for this guy. Next truck will be a F250.
I wouldn't drive anything made after 2000. my ideal ride is a 90s Silverado with a 12 valve cummins hooked up to an Alison.
Chris Dishneau: Well, hate to say, but you're missing out on a ton of refinement that comes in virtually any truck that's newer
after market parts are way better then stock
Chris Dishneau WTF is wrong with you? If anything, way older vehicles were built better. Not a 90s or 2000 vehicle.
futball24 I think you missed the point. that's the newest I would take. I have no problem with anything older.
@Chris i understand what you are saying but at the same time would you trust the crash rating of a Pre 2000's anything compared to Present day ? my buddy had a 2012 Dodge Ram and a women fell asleep at the wheel or what ever happend but she pulled a hard 90 degree right in the middle of the high way and nearly hit him head on everything from the Cab back was still intact on the truck , "THAT TRUCK saved his life" i got a 2012 F-150 super crew ya all these brands may not be as good as the old truck but safety is what matters the most you know god dam well if you got hit almost head on in a 90s truck at a high rate of speed you would be lucky to walk away at the end of the day,
That's a cosmolene coating that GM has been putting on their vehicles for a long time now without any issues
the great thing about buying a chevy is that you can still hear the wind at normal highway speeds.. its just like riding a buggy behind a horse like your grandpa used to do.. and lots of other stuff that they still haven't fixed since 50 years ago
GM has been using this coating on all their body on frame vehicles since at least 90's, and it has worked well. My old 93 Caprice's frame is in excellent shape and is just now getting some mild surface rust. Give me a break!
sid thetechguy - correct... we have 8 GM trucks, these frames are in great condition costed wax since we bought them from 2001. these trucks over 300,000 miles with original engines better than Chrsyler's Ram and Ford F150..
And I will play devils advocate. My friend has an 06 2500 Chevy used to plow, the entire undercarriage is rusted badly. On the other hand my other friends 05 Chevy which does not see plow duty has a pretty clean frame. It all depends on what one does with it.
washing the frame after plowing makes a big difference , salt will eat any frame fast
mike o: The biggest problem is that the dealerships don't actually tell you they are wax coated. This is important because many people don't know that it's Wax and think it's just grime. So I've seen people actually try to pressure spray the wax off mistaking it as dirt.
The gm Fully Boxed n' waxed frames have a serious corrosion issue that is impossible to get at..
wax? what the hell chevy. that's why your trucks rust out so bad. even normal paint would be better than wax.
it sucks they just cant make things like they used to
scary thing is that they can, they just don't
Are you crazy? Where have you ever seen a chevy "rust out so bad"? I live in Buffalo NY, the only trucks that DON'T rust out are Gm's. The dodges rust bad, and all the fords around here are rotted out in fenders and door bottoms too. Say what you want about other features but everyone knows the GM's, FWIW, don't rust that bad under normal circumstances. Peace.
Yeah everyday I see newer chevys with more frame rust and wheel well rust than my 04 dodge. it's still got original frame paint and only bubble over the wells. hell my 1987 ramcharger still has the paint on a lot of the frame. how can you seriously think the chevy will do better when it doesn't even have paint on it. I don't know what they do up in NY but here in mo they use sand. so as your driving down the road your vehicle is getting sandblasted. if this guy can scrape it off with his fingernail how can you expect it not to under driving conditions with sand and salt? also why would I want to pay that much for a truck they couldn't even take the time to paint the frame on?
Well I see a ton of 3rd gen dodges rotted to hell up here. Chevy's not so much. Perhaps the sand is abrading the wax off there worse than the salt does here? That does suck. I agree wax doesn't last forever but I had my truck for about 7 years and it was fine. I also added duraflaps though and that saves the rockers. And agreed on the prices. I'd never pay that much for damn truck anyways so I don't have to worry about it. I could afford it but why? My trucks MAKE me money, they don't TAKE it. Whether these guys want to admit it or not none of them are really good quality. None of the class 1 to 3/4 are commercial grade equipment. I would LOVE to see one of these cushy interiors after about 250K miles or real use. And then where is all the value you paid so much for to start with? The depreciation will be absurd on these things. Once all the doodads are busted they won't command the prices. Just look at the used prices on luxury vehicles. I expect that HUGE unforeseen repair costs are going to bankrupt a lot of unsuspecting people buying these money-pits used out of warranty. Hell, just the injection system on a 6.7 powerstroke is a 15K bill if they get water in the system. Fuck that!
Chevy makes a nice truck, my big hang up with them is the square wheel wells, just looks silly having a round wheel in a square space.
Wonder Whats Next: Thats funny because thats my big gripe as well. I do prefer how GMC puts a black plastic liner around the wheel wells. I wonder if they are going to do a dramatic change to the front end to match the 1500 closer (LEDs and all) in 2018.
Just matter of taste, i kind of like it, some people hate edgy Lamborghini, or Cadillac styling, i think it's awesome. I dislike more Tesla's S front face, although it's fantastic vehicle overall...nice videos btw
+Big Truck Big RV I was kinda scratching my head on the under coat as well, also not a real big fan of the dash angle cuts, but the rest of the truck is nice. I have 2016 1500 in Silverado trim.
Thats my problem with them too. Square wheel well round tire. Looks stupid.
Wonder Whats Next Don't you worry, I heard in 2018 they are getting square wheels to match! #itsabouttime
For the price of the new trucks I took a 93 1500, switched it to 1 ton suspension with the straight axle, put a 6.0 vortec in it with twin turbos and rigged the allison transmission they put behind the 8.1 the whole build had me around 34k including the truck and it can still out tow anything new off the lot and I'm damn sure it's never going to have near the problems.
ThisGuyWantsBeer the environment thanks you and you saved a shitload of cash at the boot
ThisGuyWantsBeer you got pics I'd love to see the truck.
Till the frame goes,the radiator explodes,starter burns out,frame breaks just behind the front suspension,CHAIN DRIVEN transfer case breaks etc...all this and more before 75 K miles.Oh,by the way,no WARRANTY on GM's truck frames,carefully read your warranty.
Very smart use of your money. You must have vehicle manufacturers blowing up your phone trying to hire you ? Bottom line, you just polished a turd. And uh, yeah... let's see a video of it out-pulling a new diesel from any manufacturer. I happen to have a 2016 King Ranch diesel. Unless you make a video of your pick-n-pull special towing a 5th wheel uphill or something... I call BS. I can tow a 12k lb 5th wheel and get 18 mpg all day (under 60mph). Beat that.
John R I highly doubt he did a solid axle swap twin turbos and a Alison swap that would require so much work it wouldn't be worth it Alison won't fit under a 93 cab without a bunch of modifications. It maby his dream truck but I doubt it exists if it did he should make a video of it and prove to everyone how well it pulls.
I have my Superduty rustproofed and undercoated By Ziebart here in Northern Ohio. The owner of the franchise showed me pictures of brand new GM trucks with terrible frame rust. Every brand vehicle will rust up here now that they started using that Brine on the roads. Stuff coats your machine like oil and is a pain to get off.
I agree with the DEF filler neck. I'm 6'4" and have pretty long arms so I can reach it pretty easily, but my brother in law is 5'9" and has T-rex arms. Guess who fills up his DEF for him...this guy
LMFAO @ T-Rex arms... Lololol.
Now that is funny
Dang, by the time I can afford it that frame will be a rust bucket.
Just build your own truck.
from Ford, Chevy and Dodge parts.
offplanetevent dodge doesnt offer any good parts that ford chevy nissan Toyota dont offer
jj Watson cummins 6.7
My Ram (Bought new in 2015) has been great. Very reliable.
Nobody For President. That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. Mine's got the Hemi, and it's running like a champ. I can brag, and I will, all I want.
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120k really, I can barely remember the last time I bought a car with that few a miles. But seriously, go watch the CRASH TEST VIDEOS, you will quickly change your mind about RAM's.
GOOD INFORMATION I'M A FORD GUY MYSELF AND ABOUT TO GO FULL TIME RV'ING MYSELF BUT I'LL BE TOWING MY FORD BEHIND A CLASS A RV. I'VE GOTTEN 275K+ MILES OUT OF EVERY FORD 6 CYLINDER GASOLINE MOTOR IVE EVER OWNED AND THEY WERE THE BRONCO 2 AND 2 EXPLORER'S XLT'S RIGHT NOW I'M IN A VOLVO XC70 5 CYLINDER TURBO AND THIS THING FLIES WITH INCREDIBLE GAS MILEAGE 335K GASOLINE ENGINE VOLVO MAKES AN AWESOME VEHICLE AND I NEVER THOUGHT I'D HEAR MYSELF SAY IT LET ALONE TELL ANYONE ELSE BUT I CANNOT BITCH. IF IT WAS BUILT LIKE A TANK AND WEIGH A TON IT WOULD BE MY TOW VEHICLE. ANYWAY THAT VIDEO WON YOU ANOTHER SUBSCRIBER.
I like that you were Honest and gave all the Trucks your good and bad opinion man. Good video.
I know some guys that were using the GMC or Chevy Trucks for Snow Plowing and they are having problems with the frame cracking near the front suspension.
Don Hanson wow, our names lol
Twins?
Don Hanson Doppelganger, im just better looking.
Why isn't this in at least 720p? It's 2016 for God's sake.
Dean Fuller: It is recorded in 4K, but I compress it to 360P in my editing software so it uploads easier, quicker, and is less likely to buffer when people are watching it. I have started uploading new videos in 720 though.
You do know the videos play at a quality based on your internet speed. If you can't stream 4k then it backs down to 1440p, 1080p, 720p, etc until it doesn't buffer on the viewers device or hardware.
Dean Fuller 4k videos are rather large in size. Tip: quite a few vloggers use FHD (1080p) 1920x1080 @ 60FPS. With today's Internet speeds it shouldn't be any problem. And to be honest, I prefer 1080 @ 60fps ;)
yeah just render it in 1080@60fps, makes the video much smoother and doesn't effect the quality of upload/stream too much.
that chevy is literally my dream truck, that exact kind and everything... id rather have that than any sports car
I think for the price tag of any of the new diesels i would rather just take the best from all and make a custom truck built to suite. 67-72 c30 body (my preference in body), fully boxed stock frame for strength, cummins 12v for reliable power and cheaper repair, Allison trans, Ford high pinion axles, 1 ton leafs all around with helper bags in the rear, with fully coated frame and under side.
Just in parts you would be at around $20-30k depending on how thrifty you can be and you would basically have a new truck.
I would just like to point out that the Silverado has had power extending tow mirrors since 2000 and still does. In fact, they added power folding to them in 2015(and side view cameras). Prior to that they only had power folding in the non tow mirrors.
Merrill Jay Sampson: Power extending mirrors is what I was referring to. I knew they have and had power folding. And they do not power extend. I know this for a fact.
Big Truck Big RV Right you are, I just looked it up and surprisingly GM axed the power extending in the 2015 and replaced it with power folding. I must say, I'm quite disappointed. Do the Ford's tow mirrors do both? If so, I think I might have to look in that direction when I upgrade next year.
Merrill Jay Sampson: wow, I didn't know they power extended prior to that. I knew they folded though. But yes, Ford Suoer Duty mirrors power extend which is a great convenience. here is a video I made a while back showing why I purchased a Super Duty over the Denali: ua-cam.com/video/OJfv9nSoW4Y/v-deo.html
Yep, my 2005 has power extending, and it is AWESOME. They've been mostly on duallies though.
fucking cheap on gm's part to wax coat the frame and then turn around and charge you 60 grand for the truck..
i know right bullshit prices
SHOULD BE A STAINLESS FUCKING FRAME FOR 60K FFS !!!!!!!!
I work for an rv dealer and I'll tell you what I see all the trucks come through. Chevys are the best. I talk to all the haulers that bring them from Indy and the fords are always broken.
Also we have an 05 2500 Silverado as a tow rig I put 16k on that bitch all the time it's not a rocket but it doesn't fail or fall to its knees
When someone uses the correct term for torque (lbs/ft) as you did, it always increases my respect for them and their opinions.
I work at jiffy lube in TN and on most chevys the wax is completely gone on and around the engine crossmember and it starts to rust
Everyone one I see up here in northern PA is gone within the first year and is completely covered with surface rust.
N Perry doesn't it also seem like GM cars leak fluids more than other brands?
D to Tha A the rear main seal on most GM trucks/suvs is leaking
when i was 21 i worked as a lube tech, I will tell you now all gm brand cars poured and leaked way more fluids than any other brand except vw which was equally as terrible. all gm makes leaked rear main seal and tranny fluid like crazy. what got me the most was how new some of them were. I had a pontiac come in that was just a couple years old had 60xxx miles on it and it was drenched, underneath the entire car was covered where this thing was pouring oil
John Polk no joke! I see acadia come in under 30k miles leaking from the timing cover. also the power steering racks leak on just about all of them much sooner than other brands.
Thanks! I think as you may about the wax coating on the frame. Ridiculous is the first word that comes to mind.
And yet that wax coating is amazingly durable. unlike ECoating wich WILL harden and flake off.
Besides the engine being different and hood scope, they have a heavier duty torque converter and revised trans internals for the extra tq and hp, the fuel sytems denso now with a borg turbo also
That wax like coating has been used on GM vehicle frames for what seems like for ever. The first time I saw that stuff was on a 1975 El Camino my dad owned. I think it was also on my moms 76 Oldsmobile Cutlas in some areas. Those cars held up well. We do not get as many rust issues here as in other areas, but that coating is doing what GM wants and needs it to do. All the manufactures have really upped their game in rust protection. The light pickup field is to hot for any manufacture to put out instant rust buckets. Just look at the extensive measures that have been adopted over the years to address the issue. Pre coated metals, use of shielding, replacing rust prone steel parts with corrosion resistant material in many vehicle areas, seriously improved wiring and wiring connectors, Improved paints. The frame is thinner in depth over earlier frames because it is now a fully boxed frame instead of just a open 'C' section. Those cross members are much stronger too. Look at how the capacity ratings on these trucks has climbed a lot over the years. People are now using these things to haul and tow stuff which was the realm of medium and heavy duty International, Mack and Kenworth commercial trucks not all that long ago. I do not know about your area, but around here, there are still large numbers of 90's, 80's and even 70's trucks running around in every day use and abuse. And most of those leaving service now are just plain used up and to expensive to repair, or not equipped with features people want, not because they are rusted piles. I see a number of them advertised with things like bad brakes, transmissions or motors and the bodies and frames and even interiors are still in good shape.
I was in the Auto Transport business for years. I can tell you some Horror stories about hauling brand new Fords! From frames bending, to dragging them off the truck with a chain at dealer delivery!!!!!!
Karl .Gates: that's funny because I've heard the exact same story from people who haul Rams and Chevys to dealerships. it's interesting how everyone's opinion of these trucks differs when you like the other brand
Big Truck Big RV Ford makes a good HD truck, so does Chevy. Never buy a Dodge period! Never buy a 1/2 ton of any brand. I have hauled them all!
Karl .Gates yeah dodge is the most unreliable brand period when it comes cars and trucks. currently ford holds the title as the most reliable major american brand. but Chevy and Ford have been swapping places for the last decade if you don't believe me look up consumer reports. my Bias is Ford Right now, but I'll see what the future holds.
The good thing about not having your def next to you fill cap is you won't put def in you diesel and void your warranty
My Chevy was made 50 years before this one. I like it way better.
My 12 year old Silverado has been drive through a lot of mud and has the same frame wax, no rust yet...
gm frames are all hydro formed and dipped in wax . been that way for many years.covered in wax inside and out. bare steel under the wax it does a good job keeping corrosion out.
Bradley Campbell: You are correct sir.
There are multiple payload levels for1/2, 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. My 4 cylinder 2011 Ranger supercab has the heavy duty payload option even though it's just 2 wheel drive.
02 Sierra for life........304k miles & drives like new!
You did a fair comparison, thanks not many do. as long as your talking frame strength, you might want to check out the frame twist test between Ford and Chevy also Ford and RAM. you might be surprised.
Terry Henson: thanks. Check out my older videos to see that comparison
E coat is water based.. So if your not painting over it,it will wash off at some point. The frames are painted. The wax coating is to help with rust
Nate Rogers: not true sir. The e-coat bath consists of 80-90% deionized water and 10-20% paint solids. The deionized water acts as the carrier for the paint solids which are under constant agitation. The final product is not water based, water just acts as the carrier but is not part of the paint itself. they are both used for metal and rust protection.
+Nate Rogers An E coating is not the LEAST bit water soluble.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_coating
Nate Rogers You're*, not your.
Nice review. A friend has the older GMC with power-extending mirrors. Now that I bought a 2016 GMC, I prefer the manual extending mirrors. One less thing to break. When I was installing the add-on bed steps, I noticed the waxed frame. I was thinking, What the heck is this? At least I can apply wax if it's scraped off. No power washing!
My dealer recommended POR-15. I've cleaned up my underside a ton with a clay bar.
I have several spray cans of NOX rust to touch up spots where the lift contacts. The difference is it doesn't peel like paint or lift like paint or ecoat and it beads and repels water. If you maintain it properly like anything else it will hold up. I have two Mid 2000's F350's that look just as bad as my 05 dmax, not a flake of paint or Nox on either haha. The only better solution would be to powder coat and cost wise it isnt there yet.
what's crazy is that all the brands keeping upping the HP and TRQ numbers. I had a 2005 Duramax and now a 2010 F350 w/ 6.4 and I thought 600lb ft of torque stock was crazy. Now 900# is entry level :-)
good review. I dont mind a difference of opinion, and criticism is okay. I've been a GM guy forever and used to be a complete homer. but years and experience have taught me how to look at anything with a critical eye. I've owned a 2001 gmc since it was new and there's been plenty of crud that I've hated but a lot that I've loved on it.
Bought my 2014 brand new...zero issues. Two recalls tho for safety belt or something.
Chris DIYer no issues but recalls 😂😂😂
hey if you wanna start a recall war lol
www.wafb.com/story/33492739/ford-door-latch-recall-now-impacting-millions-of-vehicles
i have a 2002 ford F-350 and the rear main seal leaks like crazy and the oil pan is really rusty. on the 7.3L Powerstroke you have to lift the engine completely out to replace it. i now sand and repaint the oil pan with truck bed liner once a year. i live in the arid southwest. all diesel and gas engines have their unique set of problems. i also have a 6.0L Powerstroke excursion which has had two complete engine rebuilds and only has 110k miles on it. Every brand has problems. just fix and upgrade and move on.
Thanks for pointing that scratch out
I bought the white one next to it instead
Everybody is making good trucks these days. If you off road a lot , you might need the bone jarring front straight axle that the Ford and Ram HD trucks use, if your a pavement driver like me, you might like the IFS on the GM HDs. I sold Fords back in 2010 and love the F150 with the IFS. They outsell HD Fords big time and are a great truck. At that time I owned an 08 Duramax Dually Silverado It rode almost as good as the F150s. I got to drive many Superduties. After my Silverado Dually and the amazing F150s, they felt like a lumber wagon to me. So far I love my 2016 Silverado HD Silverado.
Chevy/GMC does lag behind the other two manufacturers in options as of2016
I hope GM improved the rustproofing on the 2500/3500. I had a 2005 GMC 2500HD with Duramax for 9 years and the underside rusted like you wouldn't believe. The worst part is the GM frames hang lower and so you see the rust when walking up to the truck. Plus, I had the LLY which had problems. Nice looking, but switched to RAM now and like how it's built. Shame as I had 91, 95, 98, 2001, and 2005 GM pickups.
raykrv6a that's one thing I can't stand about GM trucks is how their frames hang below the body.
If I was buying one of those I would have some half inch reinforcing plates cut out on a water jet and bolt them to all those threads over the rear axle on each side.
As a current Chevy owner what you referred to is exactly why I am going with a Ram, Chevy went "pretty". Ford also makes "Pretty" and extremely expensive trucks. It's a truck for god sake not a Ferrari.
Any way you look at it, anything new is overly priced and once you take it off the lot, it depreciates way to fast. They all have their issues and pluses. I agree with him on the frame though, looks a little small for the size of truck.
The large holes are used to flip the frames during assembly.
Than shorter frame section is between the leaf spring mounts...not that much of an issue if a little shorter there.
I have a 2005 Chevy Silverado dually has not yet give me a problem and it's going to be 2017 still no problems love my Silverado
Pretty honest review I feel like not enough people are like this guy, there all closed minded and specifically are die hard gm, ford, or ram guys, causing them to get a truck that doesn't really fit their specific needs.
pay more get less. that's our future
Want a well made reliable American built truck with most of its parts manufactured in America...BUY A JAPANESE TOYOTA LMAO !!!!!
I would, but they dont make anything comparable to the big 3 when you need to move more than your dog and groceries
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I exceed single rear wheel capacity Mr, so tell me how a tundra can haul as much concrete, rocks, gravel as I do with my 1 ton dually and maybe Ill say the tundra is equivalent. And even there, the tundra with a smaller load still consume more gas than I consume fuel. The big 3 offers 1 ton trucks, toyota doesnt. Plain and simple, Im not bashing, I'd totally check out a 1 ton dually toyota, but they dont do these as they make box trucks instead.
Veikra Most people buy 1 tons and duallys out of necessity not choice. The Tundra and Tacoma does what most people will likely use there truck for. It is also the truck of Texas as well as made in Texas. There are reasons people buy the big 3s trucks 1st but capacity isn't one of them.
Buy a Japanese truck and watch your frame rust. Toyota will say , thats normal.
So wait, the Chevy has two separate "fuel doors" one for DEF and one for fuel? or where is the DEF fill point at?
I'll never buy a new truck for what they cost these days. The first year the value drops like a rock.
The GM frames since at least 2011 have been considerably stronger than Ford. Strength comes from a lot of things, and looking at it isn't going to tell you anything.
they dont do proper coating because they want you to get started on the next purchace nice and early.
i forget to "like " videos,so i like all of them... good info, and thoughts! i,ll keep a watchin! Dano 10/12/16
So what's your thought on the slightly thicker frame? My understanding NEW Frame is 1/8" and GM has been 3/8"?? For awhile. I'm wondering how GM with a thicker boxed frame is not able to tow more and compete with FORD and RAM?
Micah Watts. According to the Ford engineers, the new Super Duty uses 4mm+ (1/8"+) thick 50k and 80k PSI High strength steel throughout the frame. I'm curious as to why they say "4mm and Up" but don't give the full specs. I was told that because some of the areas overlap, this is where they get the "and up" sizing (similar to other brands). The GM Frame is 4.59mm (.60mm thicker than the Super Duty, which isn't much) and 60k PSI. Older GM C-Channel frames (pre-2011) were 5.2mm thick vs Ford's 6.7mm Thick C-Channel. Most people don't understand that the main purpose of using High Strength Steel is so you can make a much thinner metal as strong as a thicker gauge steel. This doesn't do well when exposed to salt air and rust unfortunately.
Higher strength steels generally mean that they're less ductile and more brittle. 50k and 80k psi tensile strength is also a very broad range. I'd be much more interested in the actual composition of the steel and the rockwell hardness of it. That will tell you a lot more than what they've spewed out from their marketing department.
bingo!
i dont think the frames are hardened so it would be the same hardness as mild steel.... how can a high strength steel be brittle? thats contradicting... vehicle frames are not brittle
so essentially what we have here is a much higher strength steel on the Superduty than GM therefore nominally slightly thinner frame thickness?
I only had one Gmc and it was one he'll of a rustbucket after 5 years. I pretty much had to give it away. So long gm.
I have the Escalade and it looks like the frame was dipped in rhino liner but the trucks don't get that treatment. Very sad because looking at older GM trucks, the frame is giving up before the body and the drive train could outlast 2 truck lifetimes.
everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I drive a 2007 gmc with 250k. they only things I've done to my truck has been oil changes, brakes, changed the master cylinder. every truck gives you the capabilities to make it a long lasting truck. depends how you take care of it. in my opinion i don't like ford's or dodges. certain things i do but i stick with my gmc.
Prior to the new 2017, it's been illustrated time and time again that the frame is stiffer on the Chevy and Dodge, at least torsionally. We use Super Dutys day in and day out at work (Construction) and they are good trucks, but they certainly twist and creak a lot torsionally. Lots of cab noise along those lines. But yes, I would own one. I am commenting specifically on F-350 models up through '16.
I prefer a strong, flexible frame. Ford never should have boxed their frames just because a few videos were made showing Fords frames flexing more than the others. C-channel frame design is better than a full boxed frame. Semis don't have fully boxed frames and look what they can tow and how much weight they carry on them; dump trucks as well.
A stif frame is best. Theres the suspension for the rest.
You can still have a flexible fully-boxed frame. Just use a thinner material to lower the stiffness of the section.
I don't see how many folks say there frames are rusted I live in Houston by the Salty ass air and high humidity and my 2002 2500 hd is holding up dam good only surface rust which is very light at that.i go beach fishing all the time I just make sure that I wash my truck off after.Which I'm sure most people don't salt will rust shit even in the cold I'm sure yall use salt on the roads with the snow plows that's where the rust is coming from.
It appears to me that it's almost like a rubberized wax coating, which will probably help with absorbing vibrations and the water seems to be off of it as opposed to the painting frames which water always gets in and starts the flake the paint off and rust rotted away so honestly I go with the Chevy frame just saying
ParkwayJoe81: you make some good points about the possible noise and vibration reduction of using wax....but sadly it doesn't have any type of rubber in it....it's just wax. Plus, the body frame/cab isolation bushings doing the majority of the vibration and noise transfer reduction. Good points though. Plus, Ecoating is a far better bonding technology than simply painting. The Ecoated finish is electrostatically bonded to the metal vs just adhering like regular paint. Thanks for commenting
I will take my 1967 c20 any day over a new truck.
I can't blame you
Wish you could buy a brand new one.
Eyellgeteven
many hotrod shop to buy one. You can a donor, fork out 10G for paint 10G for mecanical and 5g for interior. Result, cheaper than a new truck, and still new
Veikra Very true and it's something I've thought about...maybe someday.
85' K5 Blazer and 86' K30 Truck --- I'll never own a new truck. Only rebuilt and restored.
This cracks me up, for every chevy that lasts a million miles there is a ford that went 2 million, Dodges rust like hell, chevys rust faster and fords rust on the show room floor! No wait Fords run forever, dodges are pos's and chevy is a reason for having a AAA card, but don't trust fords that last pos I had was the last, well don't look here cause my bowtie was here when god created the earth and its still running like the day my GGGrandfather bought it. NO no Toyota best thing made, once they got the frame fixed....NISSAN best thing since a Datsun, well I had a Pinto that would only run on water, and it never rusted. Cracks me up, everyone has a reason, excuse and a solution. God help us all we are being run by a country of armchair NASA experts on Metallurgy, electronics, plastics, rubber, leather, football, sex and rotary engines. Shit we don't need Donald Trump we have everyone in this posting and every where else on the internet that has all the answers.
waxed frames have to be resealed every now and then and if you dont they rust right up! Ford used to do this on the ranger it was a rust bucket when i sold it. On any new vehicle I'd undercoat with an asphalt based undercoat and have it touched up every year! Even the asphalt under coat is thin by the time the dealer puts it on !! In Illinois the hot road salt will eat your vehicle !!!
When I bought my '04 F-150 Heritage 4x4 in '05 sprayed on 8 cans of 3M rubberized undercoating and do it every 3 years it still looks new after 11 years. Is that waxy stuff lanolin based?
Umm, why do you care about ride quality in a 2500HD or F-450? Go buy a Caddy or something if you're looking for comfort. Those trucks were made to work. Also, you definitely can get front park aid sensors on F-series trucks.
that shit don't last long. my chevy was all rusty within a year. maybe the material doesn't work as well in canada.
Do they even make pickups with only two doors and no crew cab? It's been a while since I've seen any, regardless of brand.
Yes they do. All brands make most variants. GM makes single short, single long, extended short, extended long, 4 door midget, 4 door regular, and 4 door long.
I believe that Ford still makes single long beds in their 150 & 250 line and Ram makes a single short 1500.
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Yes, all of them do. It is just that they don't sell a lot of them. Everybody wants a 4 door today.
The reason you have a "wax" coating on the frame is that it's a "self healing" coating. If a rock or stick or whatever hits the frame, the coating will migrate over the opening and "heal" it self.
That is one complaint that my buddies and I have about our GM trucks is that the frames rust right away. I've talked to the factory and a rep told me that they will surface rust but there is an alloy layer in the frame metal that won't allow the frame to rust completely through. I haven't read that anywhere so I don't know if he was telling the truth or not.
J. Ko G.M. Has been using a galvanizing agent on their frames and body panels of trucks for over 30 years. I've owned nine GM trucks and the frames get surface rust but don't rust through for a very long time.
J. Ko Yes he was telling the truth, Metallurgy engineering tensile strength can be very technical, but all manufacturers try different things, some work better than others.I would prefer to have a strong frame and have it powder coated.
Fords are built without your tax dollars, unlike GM, which had to be bailed out to survive. Ford guy until the day I die
I've had Fords and Chevy's I work on all my vehicles myself and my conclusion is.........they all break when u beat em and Fords are always slower
The so called wax coating is a joke I live Down on the gulf coast with a 2011 Silverado with the same "wax" coating and my frame doesn't have a spot of rust on it my neighbor who only comes down every few weekends with his f350 that's a 12 model his frame is full of rust hell the whole underneath of the truck is full of rust just saying it might come off if you screw with it but how many people go and rub the frame of there trucks all the time just saying
I was VERY impressed with the rust resistance of my 07 2500HD that I had for about 7years. Had a similar coating. And it was driven in the northeast. Idk why people are complaining. Gm has always faired the best with rust. One only needs to look at older trucks and compare. Apparently they know what they're doing.
Whats with the big holes in the frame my trucks got that too weird
Random Videos Pre drilled for aftermarket gooseneck or fifth wheel towing frame.
Silverado and Sierra: Proof you can put a round peg in a square hole....
its not wax its called cosmoline ,for salt and rust protection
Richard Lloyd: Incorrect sir. It is indeed WAX. Many people purchase Cosmoline as an aftermarket spray to coat ONTOP of the Wax or to replace the Wax coating since it bonds well and adds an additional layer of protection. Firearms have uses Cosmoline for sometime to help prevent corrosion. Thanks for the response though sir.
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It is actually Daubert chemical nox rust x121-b trust me. I sued GM over it
Leaf springs in 2016. I can't believe but I saw them.
leaf springs will carry weight better no matter how you slice it....that's why all the big trucks still use them.
How stoneaged
TheSoloAsylum Air bags are under every class 8 truck we have at work. We've been using air ride sence the 90's
Jay Smith Thats what I ecpected to read.
Many heavy duty trucks use both leaf springs and air ride and many use one or the other.
I have felt that Ford and Dodge made for more or a work environment and gm was more to the retail user.
the dodge half tons are not for hauling at all... rear coil suspension not good for loads, the dodge would be more casual oriented
peterincgy they are city trucks, made to look like they can haul a load! blacktop cowboys lol!
***** that would be a shortbox? correct? why do they not allow you to load a full size box? coils cant handle it as well as leafs
they need to go back to the drawing board again. redesign
Most P/U truck buyers never get close to what the truck is able to do. The more heavy duty you go the worse the ride gets why they have not put air ride seats in is beyond me people will pay when they feel that ride.
Most of the new chevy is made in China and built in Canada.
turns out its really nice
I prefer my 8 inch ladder frame on my older truck, it easier to rust proof and wont accumulate dirt to make it rust faster since its not close box
i think thats 2015 model 2016 has led eyebrows. right?
Your E coating is not penetrating the metal. The only place it is protecting the steel is on the surfaces they can actually spray with the powder. The wax coatings actually impregnate the steel with the corrosion protection. Chevy Better.
If you really pay attention to how the frames are designed and manufactured pay attention to where the steering box is mounted.
Both Chevy and dodge the frame is weaker at this most important area, hence aftermarket support for strengthening these areas in bolt on kits are available. I've seen both truck frames damaged in these areas, I've never seen a Ford with damage in this area whether it be a Superduty or any previous models. I currently own an 07' Superduty.
Agreed. I've been in the business of building off-road trucks since the late 70's and I've seen so many cases of frame damage on Chevy trucks it's ridiculous. Ford frames don't break like Chevy and Dodge frames do.
But GM uses rack and pinion. Their tie rods break not mounting locations.
I like the way most GM drive but damn they do cut corners but each major automaker cuts the corner some place. Good years/combos with each one exp when it comes to Diesel pick ups. DEF is a joke I feel bad for people that fall for having to use that.
I drive a Silverado. Am I the only neutral guy that doesn't care what you drive? I certainly wouldn't down your Ford or Ram or Tundra, etc. It's your choice and your money.
pughconsulting: Agreed. I actually try to be objective. I like them all. I'm just point out little differeces
I would down on the RAM, but more because I've watched the crash test videos and seen how bad it is compared to the others. the Ford is bit of a mixed bag, it's more expensive to have the body work done due to the aluminum body, but at the same time you don't have to worry about the cab rusting out on you.
LONE STAR And legs!
DanielRichards644 Saw*, not seen. By the way, you use the same auto body tools to work with the aluminum skins as you do steel.
joseph migliore
maybe you should watch some videos on the differences of working with an aluminum body over steel when doing repair work (not just swapping out a fender or some crap like that.
You know why? because they use low cost material, and many of you out there, are loyal to them, even they have so many problems..
I'll stick with my 03 silverado 4.3L 5 speed with a 8 foot bed