AlternateHistoryHub How would you feel about a Diddy Kong Racing sequel that added characters from My Hero Academia, Little Witch Academia, Kirby, The Amazing World of Gumball, Persona 5,Family Guy, Sonic, Diary of a Wimpy Kid, Digimon Tamers, The Simpsons, Invader Zim, Crash Bandicoot and RWBY with Haruko from FLCL, Hat Kid, Popuko and Pipmi from Pop Team Epic, Jason and Eve from Blaster Master, Bomberman, Doom Slayer, Beavis and Butthead also being there? Kirby gets pushed as a second Protagonist to go along with Diddy Kong. Imagine racing against Akko with Izuku, shooting a missile at Gumball, Gumball, Izuku, and Akko smoking pot with their friends, throwing an oil slick at Ren, Ryuji using a bat to knock opponents sideways, Ann using her whip to whip a nearby rival, Yusuke asking Momo if she’d be painted nude, Fregley putting his foot in his mouth to distract the other drivers so they can crash, Futaba showing everyone rule 34, Makoto dodging bombs that Bomberman planted on the race track, etc.
I think this was meant to be ironic, but the show didn't portray it that way. In life, it always seems like things change, especially in revolutions, but they usually revert back to their old ways.
@@godzillavkk Except Bronn doesn't feel inclined to play it back either, and they just gave him the strongest, largest, and wealthiest state in all the land. If someone loaned him something he wouldn't need to pay it back, because come winter if you're not friends with Bronn you might not get food. What's to stop him from encroaching on the more war torn or poorer areas of the Kingdom now that he's in charge? Imagine if he actually militarized his state, becoming the agricultural center as well as a military might, he'd be unstoppable.
This is one of The best intro’s i have ever seen On YT, but i have to say, i was not dissapointed in The last episode, The 5 episodes before that Made Sure of that, those episodes were sooooo bad, i could not get anymore dissapointed!
How else is Alternate History Hub going stay relevant. If he doesn't mention some overrated TV show that people wont shut up about. Its not like he could be making videos about what his channel is suppose to be about. This video is as bad as the "Could the Snap really happen" video. No it couldn't happen because Thanos isn't real and "The Snap" is not possible.
@@Lone432345 the video was called What if "The Snap" actually happened (realistic scenario). Maybe you should quit bitching and let Cody have a little fun analyzing the realistic fallout of something that happened in fiction and do something out of the ordinary for his channel. And in the case of this one it seems he was motivated to make the video purely because how stupid the finale to Game of Thrones was.
But then Dany would become queen, and that would have doom Westeros even more. She's been insane ever since she freed the slaves, or perhaps ever since she became "Mother of Dragons".
"But too many Northmen have bled for the north to ever kneel again" And what the hell have the other six kingdoms been doing for the past forever? A Northman's life is worth 2 southerners for what reason? Honor? Despite every reminder that honor is worth, at day's end, nothing at all? This really was the dumbest thing in the world, and absolute Stark fanservice crap. Also, they seem to have forgotten the primary lesson learned: "Let them remember what happens when they march on the south" Also, Dorne could legitimately claim that since it only swore fealty to the Iron Throne, it has no obligation to the rest of Westeros any longer. Horrendous writing which deserves every bit of scorn it receives.
@Templar Knight and yet, if the south does not entirely subdivide, which is questionable considering how much greater their integration is, the north could never match the resources of the south. Even in Clash of Kings, where Robb Stark is king of the Trident too, it is made abundantly clear when Catelyn visits Renly and learns that he has in excess of 100,000 men at his disposal. And she realizes that any such confrontation is hopeless.
@Templar Knight but my point is that the south doesn't need to use the chokepoint of moat cailin, and they weren't intending to. Tywin Lannister even personally touches on this. The north has next to no naval capacity, even with White Harbor, but has a colossal coastline on both east and west, and the south has overwhelming naval capacity and many times the manpower and fiscal resources of the north. And if the reality is, as is portrayed in the show, that the realm is now a new domain called the six kingdoms, then it owes none of the fiscal debt owed by the Kingdom of the Iron Throne to banks or debtors. Whereas, for the Starks, their realm would continue to owe all relevant debts to the Iron Bank, Highgarden, House Tyrell. It's untenable for them. It's comparable to a comparison of the US Civil War, or any of the many wars between England and Scotland, or even more comparable to a war between the modern UK and Scotland. It's utterly imbalanced, and an untenable situation for the North. The Six Kingdoms of the south only need a single king after Bran the Broken, to decide that they want to reclaim the north, and the north would fall, very easily. And that is why the ending of the show is such flagrant Stark fanservice.
@@TheSamuraijim87 those long comments does make a very good point. Stark fanservices is a load of bullshit. Reach 100,000 and the others has more manpower then the north. At any rate the North independence is a lost cause.
@Templar Knight The Riverlands in the 7 Kingdoms are not a kingdom. They are the North, Vale, Stormlands, Westerlands, Reach, Dorne, and the Iron Islands for they were the only Kingdoms to there when Aegon arrived. The river Lord's rebelled against House Hoare, but didn't instantly become a kingdom when they rebelled; Aegon merely awarded House Tully as the Great House of these lands. You can also see examples of this in the show. Like when King Robert discuss of making the 8 on his boar hunt. He said all the 7 Kingdoms names and then said "And the Riverlands", detailing symbolically it is not a kingdom under the crown. Yes, there are 9 adminstrative regions, but the Riverlands and Crownlands aren't included in the title "7 Kingdoms".
@Ali Kiwan In PLC they mostly elected foreign king to avoid situation that will happen in Westeros, with local lords fighting for power indefinitley. Local king was only elected if no other reasonable options existed, or he prooved himself as a war herom or someone that is unlikely to oppose other local houses in securing election rights to his house.
"There's not been a king since the first court, and that's not likely to change". "What? why not"? "Well, the king is elected by popular vote, and each lord only ever votes for himself". Shout out to pirates 3 for showing us how this would never work.
Well in the Holy Roman Empire it worked pretty good. Seven nobles elected the next King. So why should it not work out in Westeros? Do you think the noble men in Germany did not seek for power? I mean bad writing it is and this council made me cringe harder than I ever did befor or after but the concept of nobles electing their king is not doomed nor dumb.
@@ChaosEIC It didn't work out in the Holy Roman Empire. Several civil wars, poor centralisation of power and frequent foreign interference in domestic disputes. The elector system was abused to no end.
@@Boon2Dock Well in England they had the birthright. Which led to several civil wars and foreign invasions of England so that is not a very solid point. Both systems have advantages and disadvantages. Birthright is not superior to popular vote.
@@ChaosEIC I'm not trying to argue that birthright is superior. I'm pointing out that the elector system is awful for the feudal society that Westeros is in.
@@Boon2Dock And I am arguing it is not awful. The 7 voters would have to make a choice between a strong king who can protect their lands from foreign powers and a weak king which they can control. It would lead to a balance of power for the most part. And do say to me the system is full of corruption. Everything was full of corruption back then...
Hell yeah he was! In his Very first Small council meeting he said "You mofos ain't got no Master of Laws and a Master of Whisperers and No Master of WAR! And where dafuq has Drogon* gone?" *Drogon is the Dragon that Daenerys had (remember, he can possess Animals...right?) and 'The Master of War' is an Office that the Mass-murderer: DAENERYS created.....remember? (King: Bran is maintaining the EXACT SAME Evil Brutal System that Cersei and Daenerys had utilized & maintained!)
What Tyrion has basically created: The Holy Westoros Empire. "Totally not going to end up a chaotic clusterfuck of basically every form of monarchy and republic at once with basically absolute madness as it's internal borders while the central government basically does exist while also not existing at the same time".
I wonder what kind of religious schism would be their Thirty Years' War... @Boss King: Maybe the parallel would be there if the North and the surviving Dothraki teamed up. Otherwise, it's just too weak. @kapitan: Depends on the era of each you're comparing, and your criteria for un-shittiness.
godzillavkk actually he stopped drinking when he was with dany. He was smarter when he did drink. Tyrion is actually one of the smartest characters in the books, but dumb and dumber made him into an idiot
@@Sakraida82 Guys. You do realize the point of my comment was to poke fun at D&D when they said Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet. :P You guys are too kind. D&D just forgot about it.
Suvam Adhikari that doesn’t matter lmao. You can still have the same demands no matter who is in power. In addition, all the kingdoms were independent at some point, and all of them have lost thousands of soldiers. The scene is stupid. I don’t see how anyone can defend it
Can't wait for boder gore,Sansa's desendants being king of the North while being king of the six kingdoms,but the north not being part of the six kingdoms and the having a various lordships scattered around the realm and I can only imagine how well this is going to go... And sorry for the bad writing I kinda forgot to spell well.
Was the Holy Roman Empire that bad? Also the show is to incompetent they forget that with Dorne the "7 Kingdoms" are actually 8 but without the North it is now really 7 Kingdoms.
When you think about it, the exact same Tywin Lannister-style long term strategy of marrying your family into all the 7 kingdoms and thus ruling the country is what this would lead to, and what the Habsburgs did.
Hoster Tully already did that. He married his older daughter to Ned Stark and his younger daughter to Jon Arryn. So now his descendants rule all three northern kingdoms. Sansa made herself an independent sovereign, and because her cousins control two buffer states between her and the Crownlands, she'll totally get away with it.
@@shorewall If he gets good enough at warging, his body is basically just a thing his mind needs to make sure is kept alive. Arya has wolf-dreams when she's on another continent, I'm sure Bran can learn to-oh right, this is the show, only Bran gets any wargy stuff. Guess the other direwolves were just for show.
"That dragon burned the throne, so we should just make Bran king because he comes with his own chair" -what Tyrion could have said _-what Tyrion _*_should_*_ have said_
Northern independence was the WORST idea possible at that point. Not only will Southern revanchism pick up the minute her brother dies (ask Dorne how easily the other kingdoms give up the idea of continental unification), but Sansa missed the perfect opportunity to cement her dynasty on the throne in the new elective monarchy. Think of it this way, at the time of the council in the Dragon pit, Sansa controlled the North, her brother the crownlands, her uncle the Riverlands, and her cousin the Vale. 4/9 of the voting kingdoms are of Tully blood. Grant Yara her independence and they are unbeatable. This could have ensured that their interests were seen too for generations to come with a disproportionate influence in the kingly elections. Instead, Sansa decides to declare independence, which is all well and good until the Northerners have to pay new taxes on wheat and wine imports to get them through a rough winter. Add in the fact that the North probably lost a ridiculous % of its adult Male population between external war, civil war, zombies, and weddings, and the North isnt going to be self sustaining anytime soon. Ugh, that ending made me so mad.
and remember the writers have been trying to sell us the whole idea that sansa is now the smartest person in the kingdoms because she learned from littlefinger BITCH if LF was there he would become king in 5 minutes
North might end up fine. Just play defensive on the neck plus the loss of life might end up helping the survivors get more rights like after the Black Death hit Europe. The south is fucked and will be mired in assassinations and war for generations now.
Kind of reminds me of the ending of "Fury Road" as the change in who was in change led to the water based economy totally destabilizing. It made sense in that movie because it was more fantastical (ironically) than GoT.
The funny thing is that Martin was making fun of Tolkien saying that "Aragorn didn't think about tax rate" Yes you have the whole Stark Clan not thinking about a way to protect their bloodline after the ending the War that started with Ned Stark getting his head shopped off ...
@@HolyknightVader999 well the HRE was doing just dandy until napoleon smashed it with a sledge hammer. are you implying that the system cant work because an ambitious foreign general with a disciplined army will come in and smash them?
And the bickering then fighting between the pirates when Jack voted “Elizabeth Swan” is what would happen between the High Lords of the kingdoms after every election.
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“Sorry for the rushed ending, I work with Star Wars now.” 😂
I think people have a fundamental misunderstanding about GoT...they go on the assumption that its supposed to have a "good" ending in terms of "happily ever after" and that Tyrion is an avatar for modern day thinking...but this isnt true...real democracy was brought up by Sam but the rest laughed at him because, well, why would the people in power give up that power? Were things rushed and not fleshed out? Oh yeah...but to assume that "Tyrion would have never suggested this" is assuming that Tyrion is us.
Its name wasn't actually the "Democratic Republic of Germany." There was so much infighting over every single thing that they never had time to give the country an official name.
“Muh muh democracies are good rights to the people but let’s ignore most of them don’t care about politics and can easy be tuned over to a side by silent political indoctrination causing fraction in national unity this totaly isn’t going to back fire in any way. Let’s make total democracies so brats that don’t know how reality and states work just fuck about and ruin everything”
The moment The North announces it is leaving the 7 kingdoms, The Prince of Dorne would have stood up and said, "I will poison everybody here if Dorne isn't recognized as it's own kingdom!"
Made no sense to me that the North got to be independent. Dorne was an independent principality for like 150 years after Aegon's conquest, yet they don't get autonomy? I call BS
@@whaddyamean99 Dorne's ruling family for all of that time was just wiped out. the new guy doesnt have anywhere near the love or stability Martells enjoyed. and Greyjoys were never independent. it was the Hoares who ruled the Ironborn for most of their history
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 dorne as a nation wants to be Independent lol. They would flock to the new Martell prince for this decision. Same with the iron islands. They were independent for a few years with balon. All 3 should have been independent in the end.
@@dangerousboxx666 the new Prince is not a Martell so far as we know. theyre all dead. its probably some random Yornwood which means their hold on Dorne is tenuous as it is, let alone able to control an independent Dorne. Sansa had been ruling the North on her own for months. and Yara, well, if she attempted to go for independence, what if Bran says no? she knows twice whats happened whe the Greyjoys tried to be independent by force
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 again a of dorne wants independence. Being the only dornish lord there even asking and getting it the dornish lords would probably flock to him as being the one to lift their 150 year occupation. The chances of the dornish lords trying to usurp him because he couldn't get independence seems more likely. Seen as a weak lord when sansa couls get independence but not him.
Bran: I will be King of the Seven Kingdoms Sansa: The North declares its independence lol Bran: Fine, I’ll be King of the Six Kingdoms Everyone: Wait? That was an option?
*Iron Islands:* Aye, we were promised independence! *Dorne:* Independence? Yo, can we get in on this? *The Riverlands:* Hey, so our territory and people have sort of been ravished and butchered by all of YOUR wars (shout out to War of 5 Kings) so if we’re handing out independence...
Bran: I will be King of the Seven Kingdoms Sansa: The North declares its independence lol Bran: Fine, I’ll be King of the Six Kingdoms Everyone: Wait? That was an option? Bran: No, that's because she's my sister and the bitch keeps fucking whining about it.
Because of independence, the North can never be chosen to rule the six kingdoms again. I'm guessing Dorne and the Iron Islands think it's worth it to stay for that reason
Yeah there's a stark king on the throne now but you can't guarantee that that's gonna happen in the future with all this elected monarchy stuff ! Hence the hullabaloo.
Sansa pulled that stunt because she selfishly wanted to be Queen of something (anything). If Tyrion gave a speech and chose here for the throne, the north would have been all in (I suspect). That entire happy ending was ridiculous. Jon would have been killed immediately, and that would have been the end of that. Some of the remaining Kingdoms would have gone to war against the Unsullied and the Dothraki. Dorne and The Iron Islands would probably come to the defense of Dany’s army simply for show. Then use the situation as a reason to claim their independence.
I remember when I finished Dexter, my first thought was “well at least that awful ending can serve as a cautionary tale to future writers” How naïve of me
I watch Dexter up to season 5; season 6 was alright but it has some really lazy writing with the villain half way through the season. Season 7 was good. Season 8's plot was garbage and the finale sucked balls. Season 5 does kinda feel like Spider-Man: Far from home to me in the way though; you go from a climax like season 4 and then you have this filler season with a decent ending, but I'd rather have season 5 as the series finale than season 8
One time I was king of Spain, and then died suddenly and was a woman who had a single county, and then she died and her heir was suddenly elected Emperor of the HRE.
Out of all the material in the world Crusader Kings is what you went with? Pure 100% hipster douche no one outside of a tiny niche hub of PC gamers even know what that is! Lol
Aegon V was elected nearly a century later...at the end of the day, someone really should've convinced his older brother Aemon (yes, that Aemon) that he had more of a duty to the realm than to the Maesters.
That image of the face of smug Bron hovering over Westeros is literally all I need to see to know this is a bad idea. It's so perfect I don't even have words.
Bran in Episode 2 of the season. "I'm not Bran. I'm the 3 eyed raven" The Children of the Forest are the King now. You know. The guys that made white walkers because they hate men.
WRITERS: We'd LIKE to do it justice, but we can't. There just isn't time! HBO EXEC: But there could be. We could give you like, two more seas-- WRITERS: CURSE this short season! (with thanks to the people who wrote that sketch. lol.)
Personally HRE catches too much flack. Once the electoral system was truly formulated in 1353 which laid the groundwork for Hapsburg hegemony the HRE did remarkably well as an institution protecting such a diverse and large population, even with several different religions in its borders. The viability of the HRE only started to wane because of foreign intervention in the 30 Years War and completely transformed into a shadow of its former self by the time Prussia rose, unencumbered by the declining Hapsburg regime in the 18th century. However a union of decentralized and diverse states ranging from the smallest abbeys to the largest duchies in Central Europe all unified by an elected Emperor lasted for about 900 years, which is remarkably impressive regardless.
@@overgrownswamp Highly intelligent,maybe. Genius is a bit of a stretch. Bran also only approved of it(maybe knowing how itd go? Not sure if he can see alternate outcomes)
Tejas Misra elective monarchy’s are just terrible. Ceasar and rome are a prime example. The senate elected him to power before Caesar gave himself infinite power for life, therefore destroying the “elective” bit completely before he was murdered.
Tejas Misra that would really depend on how the vote share works in this fucking terrible system. Since Tyrion is pretty much the only Lannister left I don’t think it would be them specifically in control, but another more powerful or influential house could effectively manipulate or bribe their candidate into power. It’s just a method of government that doesn’t suit the time period
They could have just given Bronn the castle itself, and named some other house the Lord of the Reach, and Warden of the East. He got his castle, and maybe one day could establish a legitimate House, while the Reach got its legitimate leadership.
I swear to God that was the best moment of this entire channel. It takes a lot to get me to even snort air from my nose but that had me genuinely audibly laughing
Best 25 seconds of AlternateHistoryHub 2019. Still waiting for Rome pt 3, but with intros like these, I can wait a little longer. Keep up the great work Cody👍
@@Anony298 there's a difference though. Throughout most of it's run Dexter had no great overarching plot, it had the format of monster-of-the-week with season-long arcs connecting the episodes, you can easily treat seasons as separate stories and ignore the bad seasons. GoT was always meant to be an 80hour-long movie that has to be watched in it's entirety and you can't really watch half of it and ignore the terrible resolution of the story. As for Lost I haven't watched it, but anytime someone brings it up in conversation is to complain about it's shitty ending. And no, not all shows become terrible - season 5 of Breaking Bad is widely considered to be a masterpiece and the Finale is one of the highest rated tv episodes of all time.
It's worse. It was just kind of assumed that once Daenerys got enough power, it would start corrupting her and she'd turn into a dragon-hitler that Jon could assassinate, because that fits the plot points GRRM game them (probably without the context that makes it make sense). This overlooks both that Dany was _already_ an absolute monarch and that power doesn't corrupt like that. Power corrupts by unleashing the corruption hiding within us all. Power isn't the source of corruption-power is just the key that reveals it to the world.
@@ahmdf I was shocked by it, too. The difference was that I saw the shock as a bad thing, because it was "I don't get why this is happening" shock. The Red Wedding, say, caused shock of the slightly distinct "I didn't see this coming" variety, distinguished by my understanding of why things turned out the way they did.
Timothy McLean You’re right, power doesn’t always corrupt, power reveals. When I first started watching the show I thought she die before she could get the throne as a hero..but her being a villain would’ve been great with one more season or two to flesh out an epic Dance of Dragons part 2 between her and Jon.
HRE survived for over 1000 years and Napoleon had to end it Napoleon. But again over 1000 years. Take the Ottomans for example they only managed about 600 years or the Romans. 500 years or so.
Not to rub too much on the soon to be Four Kingdoms, but both of those countries did last for hundreds of years before being destroyed by outsiders, so it's not that terrible. Of course, Cody's points are the more real weaknesses.
@@arhambliss8606 HRE was pretty much dead near or after Protestant alliances and stuff and after that it was just a title nothing more. Even before that, it wasnt an empire nor holy nor roman. Everybody did their own thing even princes sometimes fought with the Emperors.
@@evrensaygn1017 Tell me of an single empire, kingdom then where the nobles or the people in power did not fight the emperor/king in the history of said empire?Just because there where rebellion it does not make it there own thing.
@@arhambliss8606 Agree on your main point, but just to be nitpicky, "Rome lasted 500 years" - depends on what you mean by "Rome" the Kingom/Republic together lasted about 700 years before the Ceasars, the unified Empire lasted about 300 - with a temporary crisis of three empires, the Western half lasted only 150 years after the final split, but the Eastern half lasted for 1000 years later.
Making every single nobleman in all the realm have just as good a claim to the throne as anyone else is such a splendid idea. This will totally not result in an absolute bloodbath and ridiculous privileges for the nobles at the expense of the smallfolk, because an elected king will actually have to win the favour of the people who are to vote for him. Seriously, thinking is difficult.
Tbh, this idea kind of fits Tyrion in the books as of right now. Tyrion despises Westeros and would probably come up with this scheme just to make everyone suffer even more if given the chance
Our local ruins of Italica here in Seville have the incredible honor of being where this marvel of a “worst scene of the f*ckinf series” was recorded... what curse have D&D brought upon this land...
@@peger Nah. Shit like this happens when you try to to cram a couple seasons worth of events into 6 episodes - I doubt anyone could have written it really well in such few episodes. For example the BS about kill the night king and all your white walker problems go away, is really convenient time-saving-wise
They didn't run out source materials they could go for 10 years with the books they got. They skip many of plots lines and stories that sweep under rug.
People would still complain though,,, but yh catch them off guard on the night or early morning, but Dany still has human eyes and she might not see at night while her dragon shooting fire would be a good target
Or just attack at night. Drogon is black, at night time he would be invisible. Like he was in the Varys execution scene, where he was behind Dany all the time and no one saw
@@Darklarik the same goes for the defenses, hard to pinpoint them at night. Usually in warfare night raids were carpet bombings so the need for accuracy was not paramount.
Bronn was a man who did not understand bookkeeping and finance (see season 3) and showed no interest in learning. He will be a disaster as master of coin, at least until the Iron Bank sends a Faceless Man his way..
@@mjbull5156 Nah man, they'll be laughing their asses off while completely outsmarting him in every single deal. What a joy. That's if he isn't immediately overthrown by the Fossoways or Hightowers lol.
JK Wright The problem is (I don't know too much about Elder Scrolls lore sorry) that I assume the system in which jarls elected High Kings had been done for centuries if not thousands of years. But in Westeros, a continent which has never knew a century of peace, with millenia of wars between dozens of kingdoms and later the seven remaining and even when Aegon unified them, the political intrigues, the rebellions from powerful Houses, bastards, The Faith, the smallfolk... you really think with all this in mind, a vote system would actually qork? There would even be more wars before Brann's reign has ended!
The difference is, the Empire is usually there to police Skyrim to make sure that their elections and the country in general did not descend into civil war or anarchy. If the Jarls go back to killing each other and vying for control, the Empire would shove a boot up their ass. The only reason the Civil War in Skyrim lasted for so long was because most of the Imperial Legion was tied down on their border with the Aldmeri Dominion. If they didn't have the elves to worry about, the Empire would have squashed Ulfric Stormcloak's rebellion in an afternoon.
Last TWO seasons. Season 7 was nearly as bad. So bad that I quit on it after, but wrote a LONG explanation as to why. Can send it over to you if you want.
Of all the dumb things decided at that meeting, Sansa demanding the North's independence was the most bafflingly infuriating. I know the creators just wanted to give Sansa a 'yass kween slay' moment, but it makes no sense for her to immediately undermine the first Stark king's rule by seceding. It weakens her family's power as well as her own, not to mention setting up the new Westerosi state to collapse. The one smart thing about appointing Bran king would be that it'd be a compromise with the North, allowing the seven kingdoms to persist without the northmen losing face, and they completely shattered that in the very same scene, and don't even seem aware of it.
The best part of this ending is how completely ridiculous and unworkable it is: 1) Even if the Iron islands and Dorne don't IMMEDIATELY secede - the first time electors leave them out in the cold they'll be gone. 2) Bran has literally NO reputation except to a few random high lords. To everyone else he's literally the youngest son of Ned Stark who fell out of a window. He has no connections, no military aptitude, no diplomatic ability, and no charisma. WHY WOULD ANYONE FOLLOW HIM? 3) Bronn is just a meme at this point. He should have been written out of the show after Tyrion's tenure as Hand of the King came to an end. A lot of the stupid twists and nonsensical scenes in this show are literally just BECAUSE WE NEED BRONN TO DO SOMETHING THE AUDIENCE LIKES BRONN. He has ZERO loyalty - his defining character trait is that he can only be bought. Now you've just made him the richest person on the continent. Who knows WTF he is going to do now? And you have VERY little ability to stop him if he wants to fuck around - you literally need him to fund the kingdom and feed everyone in the aftermath of all of these wars. Bronn is an anchor, and making him Lord of Highgarden is literally chaining it to your neck and throwing yourself in the sea. Worst possible decision. Make him run the King's Landing guards or make him a high ranking military officer. Awful decision. 4) The North is basically the most politically powerful part of Westeros now and they're technically not even part of your kingdom. But you still have to make them happy else they'll vote against you - or worse, turn other houses against you and end up in a war. But they have ZERO skin in the game. They get to vote but they don't have to deal with the consequences. This is literally a HORRIBLE decision. 5) The whole voting system in general is a HORRIBLE idea. Congrats, now you're the Holy Roman Empire - except worse, because you don't even have a religion in common or religious authority to help prop you up. You're just a bunch of kingdoms that mostly hate each other and have every incentive to backstab and now you have a constant reason to backstab and assassinate and scheme. Don't like the current king? Threaten, backstab, bribe, assassinate the King and get your own elected. 6) With Dorne and the Iron islands still forced to be part of this charade the first faction that realizes "hey, I can literally get 2 votes just by telling them I'll give them autonomy if they make me King" is basically guaranteed to get elected. Even worse - that house literally only has to get one other vote to get a straight majority and is guaranteed a stalemate as long as they can make sure at least one house that isn't voting for them will not vote as a bloc with their enemies. Also the North now gets to be the tiebreaking vote WHILE STILL HAVING NO SKIN IN THE GAME! This system is literally built from the ground up to tear itself apart at the first opportunity. 7) Tyrion came up with this system and is ALSO now the Hand of the King. BTW, everyone hates Tyrion. The common people still think he's a kinslaying demon monkey who sided with the Essos female version of Hitler. Most of the houses hate him - also, WHO IS GOING TO RUN THE WESTERLANDS NOW? And you put a guy with a history of treachery (betrayed his family, betrayed Daenerys) who also happens to be hated by most of the people in Essos too... as Hand of the King. BTW, since Bran is such a nonentity there's a pretty decent chance that Tyrion will wield most of the power. Total fucking shambles. Just holy shit, for being the "smartest person in Game of Thrones" Tyrion really outdid himself. I can't think of a WORSE system than this one. Just emulating the Dothraki would probably work out better.
Liz Lee I’m sorry but you’re wrong about why Jon was made King in the North, it wasn’t because “he has a penis” it’s because quite frankly while he has been in the North fighting ice demons beyond the wall, leading men against said ice demons and just generally being a badass, Sansa has literally accomplished nothing apart from being married off, twice! To her families enemies no less! Jon is a born leader and quite frankly one of the greatest swordsman alive in Westeros and whilst in the show he got shafted in the last two seasons, that doesn’t change the fact that whilst he’s a warrior king who has been fighting and winning wars, Sansa is just a girl who is more southern than northern!
Yeah but no one generally cares about the north . To the rest of the kingdoms the north is a barren wasteland with cold hard people just like their winters and strange gods .
The North doesn't have a vote or chance to be king because they chose independence - that's the reason Dorne & the Iron Islands have for staying. They'd follow Bran because he's a member of the strongest house left on Westeros because most other houses are extinct after the war. Sure voting isn't a perfect solution, but no TV show could end with 40 minutes of Tyrion drafting a perfect constitutional democracy in medieval times and successfully persuading everyone to accept it. Viewers would recognise it as unrealistic and hate it as much as they do now.
WaveHello tbh I’m unsure as to why the “wheel” needs to be broken as it were, you know apart from the American democracy fuck yeah attitude which is the only reason I can think of for that ridiculous attitude towards a system that in the world of Ice and Fire has worked for over five thousand years! I mean Westeros hasn’t even reached the renaissance yet and they’re trying to implement the building blocks for democracy?
2) Because he's actually Cthulhu and this is now a Lovecraftian nightmare that will manipulate all things with his crazy powers and utterly fuck over all humanity to get his way. You put a flesh puppet on the throne, Tyrion, get work, the greater evil won!
Bet Tyrion made that political decision for a vote for a new king was to change the subject so he wouldn’t be executed or a prisoner anymore just to save his own skin.
And don't forget the new Dothraki faction that just weren't included in this. They'll chose new Khals, start pillaging and bring slavery back to Westeros probably.
@@TBSEminem except this was never stated, they wouldn't follow the Unsullied or follow Grey Worm and why would they ever want to leave when the heart of Westeros is weak and ripe for pillaging.
AngryXInch Won’t work the three eyed raven had the tree. In the books it was specifically cared for by the the children which helped to prolong his life.
A bit over 100, not thousands of years. And his life was only prolonged by being hooked to a weirwood tree and taken care of the by the children of the forest.
They could of done the entire war against the white walkers one season on its own. Then covered the final phase for the Iron Throne. Actually show Daenerys slowly slipping into insanity and Jon realising that he will have to shoulder the Burden of taking the throne.
The ruining of Tyrion as a character stems from his rescue in Season 4 where they omit the Tysha confession from Jamie. Without the Tysha confession from Jamie, his actual reason to go confront Tywin doesn't exist, and thus him doing so in the show as it was written should never have happened, because it was solely Tywin doing what he's been doing to Tyrion his entire life. But in the book, it's literally Tyrion finding out, he was truly loved by some one for who he was, not what he had and his father and brother had both taken that from him, and thus was emotionally unstable and completely justified for his actions in the Tower of the hand from a literary perspective. The show has no justification at all. This also creates a Tyrion that is dark and jaded in the books, that is humorless and more corrupt, that across the 5th book we get to see slowly, ever so slowly start to come back to what he used to be... in the show Tyrion never changes, so instead of taking a fan favorite character and warping him to the point of nearly breaking him in like in the books, they just make him a more generic Tyrion like we saw up until before the trial. Meanwhile the way he acts at the end of the trial, the Tyrion who wishes he could poison the entire room of people around them and watch them choke for air is the type of Tyrion we were supposed to have season 5-6. The omission of the Tysha confession also makes the scene with the whore who can speak westerosie make no sense at all and does nothing for show Tyrion, meanwhile in the books it was to show his mental state of hating himself, missing and wanting Tysha, and also just wanting to die. He begs the whore to just kill him and take his head back to Cersie, where she would be made a lady and never whipped again, but she doesn't understand, so he just throws her legs apart and mounts her again because at least that she can understand. WE NEVER GET THIS KIND OF TYRION BECAUSE OF THE TYSHA CONFESSION BEING OMITTED BY THE SHOW WRITERS! And this is why as the show goes on, Tyrion gets more stale, and his lines get more boring, because there's no true character development, and this is why show Tyrion is an absolute dumbass who doesn't realize that the crypts, full of dead people, is a horrible place to hide from a necromancing ice demon.
Mia Destroyer of worlds No, no, no....twas the guy’s sister who had the unfortunate encounter with the moose; cmon, don’t forget important details, that’s happened too much lately...
Oh my god. Best analogy ever, comparing it to the Hindenburg. We don't remember the marvel of luxurious travel across the Atlantic; we remember the fiery crash and burn. Makes me so sad. Also though makes me look back on shows like Breaking Bad and say, that dude should teach classes in Hollywood on this is how you end a TV show. And so many props on the Red Letter Media reference, even if they were referring to Star Trek and not GOT. The historian in me (I'm a history teacher) was screaming at the screen in that council meeting. Haven't you guys heard of the freaking Holy Roman Empire? The voting by the big powerful nobles worked out really well there huh? I should have put quotes around voting, because look what the freaking Hapsburgs did to that shit.
@@xanderb6946 Wasn't referring to Tyrion man, was referring to the writers of Game of Thrones. Have you seen the interviews? They think their solution was novel and innovative and hadn't been done before and was awesome; obviously they skipped history class in college cause it's been done a lot in history and almost always backfired.
No one: Nobody: Not even an inbred Hapsburg: D&D: So, Tyrion kinda forgot about everything that’s happened and why elective monarchy would be the worst idea possible
@BlackDeathViral03 I used to be a very strong Stannis fan, until I realized that there is no way in hell he was going to get that throne even with all the blood rights and badassery in the world. Not enough aristocratic support. Almost everyone in the the South fucking hates him, especially the Tyrells. The Tyrells first signed on with Renly, then Tywin, just to fight Stannis, because they loved Renly and hated Stannis. They would sign on with a gibbering retard as king if that retard decided to fight Stannis. It doesn't matter how many of the smaller kingdoms he defeats, he can beat the fucking White Walkers for all we care, he's not getting past the Tyrell army, which is four times the size of Robb's 20K-man army. This is why I also thought that the war between Daenerys and Cersei should have been ten times shorter. With the Tyrells on her side, Dany would have no end of troops or supplies. The Tyrell army would park right in front of the capital after Mace Tyrell's death, blockade the city, and feast outside their walls while the city starved. You'd have Olenna Tyrell and Randyll Tarly holding banquet after banquet for their troops, while the people inside the capital look at it with gaunt, elongated faces and starving stomachs, all the while Daenerys is sunbathing on the beaches of Dragonstone having Jon Snow and Missandei pour lotion on her back. Eventually, the people within the walls will riot and remove Cersei. By the time Dany lands on Westeros, it's all over, and Cersei hands over the crown to avoid starving to death. Even if Euron's 1000-ship fleet tries to save Cersei, the Tyrells have the Redwyne fleet, which would be more than enough to sink Euron's ships if they had dragon support. And since this would be early in the war, Euron wouldn't have any anti-dragon ballistas yet. Which means that he's fucked too.
@@HolyknightVader999 Agreed with most of your point, except the bit about Euron. If he can stand on a barren, rocky island, demand 1000 ships and five minutes later have them, I think a few scorpions would be easy to acquire. I'm just surprised he didn't call in a tactical nuke, but I guess Tyrion had already played that little trick.
If it worked hundred of years in the real world why shouldn't it work in Westeros? The point is...accepting a king and knowing that he and his offspring will be king while you and your offspring NEVER has a chance (as long as you stay loyal) is different from electing a king and hoping that one of your kids might be selected if he dies. So for all the Lords it is a way more attractive option.
That totally didn't happen though. The Sultan-to-be just had his (half-)brothers strangled and be done with it. After that policy there weren't that many civil wars. There was wars but it was hardly the problem with stability and system of governance. More like external enemies.
@@gokbay3057 true but it also made the presumed heir keep their younger brothers out positions of power to keep them from starting a civil war and could be quietly murdered. this would back fire if the intended heir died and were stuck with an idiot that was essentially a prisoner in a Palace that knew nothing
And then conveniently forgot why he did that and started acting like he never cared about smallfolk, despite the ENTIRE REASON he betrayed his vows was to protect them.
@@GZilla311 a good person can stop being good. It is not a matter of their nature, but their conditioning. Jamie is conditioned to become less like the knight he wishes to be and to become more sick and twisted like the rest othe nobles f kingslanding
Dany teaches the dothraki to navigate and man the ships themselves when they cross to westeros...in the books. they mostly ignore that part on the show though there is short camera shot of them doing that for like 3 seconds in in earlier seasons. that said, it's pretty pathetic how they treated the dothraki and unsullied like nothing more than plot devices and nuisances to get rid of this season. i hated it so much.
Also...anyone notice how Westeros will basically be turned into three large empires, each ruled by a Stark? I mean, I think we all expect Jon Snow to become "King-Beyond-The-Wall". So we've got Aegon Targaryen/Jon Stark ruling the "Real North", Sansa Stark ruling the "North" and Bran Stark ruling the rest of the continent. Well, kinda like Hapsburg Europe when you think about it...
i stil dont understand how the vale the iron islands and dorne accepted that the counsil was formed by 3 starks a stark cousin and a stark uncle the game was rigged from the start
I'll do you one better. House Tully won the Game of Thrones. Bran the Broken, King of the 6 Kingdoms: Tully mother. Sansa Stark, Queen in the North: Tully mother. Edmure Tully, Lord Paramount of the Riverlands: full-blood Tully. Robyn Arryn, Lord Paramount of the Vale: Tully mother. Jon can have his snowy wasteland, Tullys control the two countries of Westeros, and 3/8 of the voting kingdoms of the "6 Kingdoms".
@@umjackd IIRC there's canonically nothing really west of Westeros - The world is just round and Arya would end up in the shadowlands. Though to be fair I'd be down with seeing Arya slaughter a bunch of shadow demons and dragons, Doomguy style, as much as I am kinda tired of Arya (A feeling that I'm sure many people share).
Far less dangerous when he can only see and cannot act, bran has no armies, no dragons, no power, legitimacy, or even friends, he can't even procreate and make heirs ffs, he is king in the the crownlands who hate every king not of targaryen descent, surrounded by regions lead by men much more powerful than him and faaar from loyal and that's not even considering the fact that he is a king from a different land, race and religion and who has come to the south for the first time in his life, not only that but he can't even get help from the north since they are officially independent now. The most logical thing to happen would be a rebellion that he has no way of stopping.
alternative ashole leave the man alone and let him writes his book in his own time he dont owe us anything. what if people like you stoped bitching he is an old man writing in his own fucking pace. if it is so easy to write the why dont you ?
They purposefully rushed the show many seasons ago and power walked two huge books in half a season with the open intent of getting ahead and becoming the sole controlers of the narrative. If they kept pace with the books, they would be aproaching the last published book by around the current season. We may complain about Martin as readers, but the show is certainly not the fault of his slow writing.
When Peter Dinklage says in that interview "Tyrion is smart, but I guess not that smart" You can FEEL the existential pain Dinklage is feeling when he has to say that. The role of his fucking life up until now, one of the most memorable and beloved characters in all of television, has been reduced to...I can't even begin to describe.
Yeah, what's more, they choosed Bran Stark to be their king... who's a Northener whose sister rules the now-independent North. How stupid all of them are? Next total war in no more than 5 years. Lol.
I'm from Poland and I can relate how Tyrion's plan is shit. In 16th century Poland was quite a superpower with great economy, culture. That was the first part of this noble democracy. And then came 17th century, when I can say "the nobles kinda forgot they are running the country" and we had 100 years of constant war. It weakened our country that much that it didn't take to much effort for Russia, Austria and Prussia to make Poland dissapear. From superpower to nothing, thanks Tyrion.
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i like this style its very M E M E F U L
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So how should Game of thrones should end.
AlternateHistoryHub How would you feel about a Diddy Kong Racing sequel that added characters from My Hero Academia, Little Witch Academia, Kirby, The Amazing World of Gumball, Persona 5,Family Guy, Sonic, Diary of a Wimpy Kid, Digimon Tamers, The Simpsons, Invader Zim, Crash Bandicoot and RWBY with Haruko from FLCL, Hat Kid, Popuko and Pipmi from Pop Team Epic, Jason and Eve from
Blaster Master, Bomberman, Doom Slayer, Beavis and Butthead also being there?
Kirby gets pushed as a second Protagonist to go along with Diddy Kong.
Imagine racing against Akko with Izuku, shooting a missile at Gumball, Gumball, Izuku, and Akko smoking pot with their friends, throwing an oil slick at Ren, Ryuji using a bat to knock opponents sideways, Ann using her whip to whip a nearby rival, Yusuke asking Momo if she’d be painted nude, Fregley putting his foot in his mouth to distract the other drivers so they can crash, Futaba showing everyone rule 34, Makoto dodging bombs that Bomberman planted on the race track, etc.
Tyrion: Bran the Broken
Bran: Just Bran is fine
Tyrion: Bran the Busted Up
Bran: Tyrion I-
Tyrion: Bran the wheely wheely legs no feely
LMAO 😂😂😂
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Sounds like a Harry Potter parody spell that makes you lose feeling in your legs
Ser Bronn Of the Blackwater there is already a spell for that
Bran the man who can’t stand
Shout out to Hodor, the only kingsguard to successfully protect the king.
(Slow clap)
Hodor
you forgot jorah the andal
Barristan Selmy: "Am I a joke to you?"
Don’t mention Hodor, it makes me cry😢
They broke the wheel and replaced it with a wheel chair.
If that's not progress then I don't know what is.
So progressive!
I think this was meant to be ironic, but the show didn't portray it that way. In life, it always seems like things change, especially in revolutions, but they usually revert back to their old ways.
I read this in Lady Olenna's sarcastic voice 😂
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Oh fuck me this comment must not fade. Its a perfect description of season 8 ending
Bronn season 3: How does a loan work?
Bronn Season 8: I'm Master of Coin.
Great writing there, D&D.
People can learn.
@@godzillavkk Except Bronn doesn't feel inclined to play it back either, and they just gave him the strongest, largest, and wealthiest state in all the land. If someone loaned him something he wouldn't need to pay it back, because come winter if you're not friends with Bronn you might not get food. What's to stop him from encroaching on the more war torn or poorer areas of the Kingdom now that he's in charge? Imagine if he actually militarized his state, becoming the agricultural center as well as a military might, he'd be unstoppable.
@@midnightmadness6344 But Highgarden's wealth was mostly stolen.
@@godzillavkk Yeah, but the reach is still the most populated kingdom, the lords tax the peasants.
@@FrederikSeerupNielsen For now...
The moment when you screw up your story so badly that the *Alternate History Hub* starts mocking your decisions.
Trygve Plaustrum This is like getting mocked by Stan Lee... It just doesn't happen.
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This is one of The best intro’s i have ever seen On YT, but i have to say, i was not dissapointed in The last episode, The 5 episodes before that Made Sure of that, those episodes were sooooo bad, i could not get anymore dissapointed!
How else is Alternate History Hub going stay relevant. If he doesn't mention some overrated TV show that people wont shut up about. Its not like he could be making videos about what his channel is suppose to be about. This video is as bad as the "Could the Snap really happen" video. No it couldn't happen because Thanos isn't real and "The Snap" is not possible.
@@Lone432345 the video was called What if "The Snap" actually happened (realistic scenario). Maybe you should quit bitching and let Cody have a little fun analyzing the realistic fallout of something that happened in fiction and do something out of the ordinary for his channel.
And in the case of this one it seems he was motivated to make the video purely because how stupid the finale to Game of Thrones was.
"sorry for the rushed ending, I work with star wars now"
Absolutely _no_ mercy.
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Hilbert França the first two will be great but the third will suck because they will rushe it so that they can start their Harry Potter series
When?
@@shore1001 About 7:40.
@@soundninja99 Chocolatnave123 dw guys, we're all autistic!
Tyrion doomed Westeros by not letting Danny burn the Red Keep when she had 3 dragons and end the war.
BuT We HaVe to UsE WEsterOSI sOldiErs
I would have even accepted a “Tyrion betrays Dany” plot because then all of his stupid advice would have at least made some narrative sense
She rectified it by burning the whole city.....improvise?
And instead just burn all of Westeros after they surrendered.....
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But then Dany would become queen, and that would have doom Westeros even more. She's been insane ever since she freed the slaves, or perhaps ever since she became "Mother of Dragons".
"But too many Northmen have bled for the north to ever kneel again"
And what the hell have the other six kingdoms been doing for the past forever? A Northman's life is worth 2 southerners for what reason? Honor? Despite every reminder that honor is worth, at day's end, nothing at all? This really was the dumbest thing in the world, and absolute Stark fanservice crap. Also, they seem to have forgotten the primary lesson learned:
"Let them remember what happens when they march on the south"
Also, Dorne could legitimately claim that since it only swore fealty to the Iron Throne, it has no obligation to the rest of Westeros any longer.
Horrendous writing which deserves every bit of scorn it receives.
@Templar Knight and yet, if the south does not entirely subdivide, which is questionable considering how much greater their integration is, the north could never match the resources of the south.
Even in Clash of Kings, where Robb Stark is king of the Trident too, it is made abundantly clear when Catelyn visits Renly and learns that he has in excess of 100,000 men at his disposal. And she realizes that any such confrontation is hopeless.
@Templar Knight but my point is that the south doesn't need to use the chokepoint of moat cailin, and they weren't intending to. Tywin Lannister even personally touches on this.
The north has next to no naval capacity, even with White Harbor, but has a colossal coastline on both east and west, and the south has overwhelming naval capacity and many times the manpower and fiscal resources of the north. And if the reality is, as is portrayed in the show, that the realm is now a new domain called the six kingdoms, then it owes none of the fiscal debt owed by the Kingdom of the Iron Throne to banks or debtors. Whereas, for the Starks, their realm would continue to owe all relevant debts to the Iron Bank, Highgarden, House Tyrell. It's untenable for them.
It's comparable to a comparison of the US Civil War, or any of the many wars between England and Scotland, or even more comparable to a war between the modern UK and Scotland. It's utterly imbalanced, and an untenable situation for the North.
The Six Kingdoms of the south only need a single king after Bran the Broken, to decide that they want to reclaim the north, and the north would fall, very easily. And that is why the ending of the show is such flagrant Stark fanservice.
@@TheSamuraijim87 those long comments does make a very good point. Stark fanservices is a load of bullshit. Reach 100,000 and the others has more manpower then the north. At any rate the North independence is a lost cause.
@Templar Knight The Riverlands are not considered a kingdom. The Iron Islands is
@Templar Knight The Riverlands in the 7 Kingdoms are not a kingdom. They are the North, Vale, Stormlands, Westerlands, Reach, Dorne, and the Iron Islands for they were the only Kingdoms to there when Aegon arrived. The river Lord's rebelled against House Hoare, but didn't instantly become a kingdom when they rebelled; Aegon merely awarded House Tully as the Great House of these lands.
You can also see examples of this in the show. Like when King Robert discuss of making the 8 on his boar hunt. He said all the 7 Kingdoms names and then said "And the Riverlands", detailing symbolically it is not a kingdom under the crown. Yes, there are 9 adminstrative regions, but the Riverlands and Crownlands aren't included in the title "7 Kingdoms".
The dragon destroyed the iron throne because it wasn’t wheelchair accessible. 10/10 writing give them all the Emmys
nah, he just understands focaldian philosophy
Other way around. Losing the throne doesn't matter if the new king brings his own!
@@Salnax Yeah and they can make another throne out of few rusted swords... pretending that nothing happened.
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@Ultra Mega I thought the chair was made from the corpses of House Reed, since they were never mentioned again after Meera left Bran.
Westeros: is an electoral monarchy now.
Habsburgs: It's free real estate.
Erbkaisertum this shit
why the hell westeros suddenly became holy roman empire??
@@martabakcoding7784 That's not true at all. Westeros is actually an empire. It's probably more Roman and Holy too.
*Shots fired*
@Ali Kiwan In PLC they mostly elected foreign king to avoid situation that will happen in Westeros, with local lords fighting for power indefinitley. Local king was only elected if no other reasonable options existed, or he prooved himself as a war herom or someone that is unlikely to oppose other local houses in securing election rights to his house.
@@Fabrissable Elected a foreign king? What kind of drugs are you on man.
"I expect nothing and I'm still let down." Hahaha best quote ever
malcom in the middle was such a great show, the show also has bryan cranston and his role is the most funny in the whole show
"There's not been a king since the first court, and that's not likely to change". "What? why not"? "Well, the king is elected by popular vote, and each lord only ever votes for himself". Shout out to pirates 3 for showing us how this would never work.
Well in the Holy Roman Empire it worked pretty good. Seven nobles elected the next King. So why should it not work out in Westeros? Do you think the noble men in Germany did not seek for power?
I mean bad writing it is and this council made me cringe harder than I ever did befor or after but the concept of nobles electing their king is not doomed nor dumb.
@@ChaosEIC It didn't work out in the Holy Roman Empire. Several civil wars, poor centralisation of power and frequent foreign interference in domestic disputes. The elector system was abused to no end.
@@Boon2Dock Well in England they had the birthright. Which led to several civil wars and foreign invasions of England so that is not a very solid point.
Both systems have advantages and disadvantages. Birthright is not superior to popular vote.
@@ChaosEIC I'm not trying to argue that birthright is superior. I'm pointing out that the elector system is awful for the feudal society that Westeros is in.
@@Boon2Dock And I am arguing it is not awful. The 7 voters would have to make a choice between a strong king who can protect their lands from foreign powers and a weak king which they can control. It would lead to a balance of power for the most part. And do say to me the system is full of corruption. Everything was full of corruption back then...
As bad as Bronn being granted high garden is...
even worse is that they make him master of coin.
Yep the man who in earlier seasons, didn't know what a loan was.
@@pdc4930
And saw no reason to pay it back
Ah yes. The most famously bribable person in the country who can barely read and doesn't understand the concept of a loan. Genius
@@danielbailey211 I honestly don't know what stops him from selling the reach to someone and just going to the summer isles lmao
tbf they just grant him land and title to stop him from killing tyrion.
Game of Thrones Season 8 Finale proved that Bran the broken was Emperor Palpatine all along.
It was super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Whoopsie
Hell yeah he was! In his Very first Small council meeting he said "You mofos ain't got no Master of Laws and a Master of Whisperers and No Master of WAR! And where dafuq has Drogon* gone?" *Drogon is the Dragon that Daenerys had (remember, he can possess Animals...right?) and 'The Master of War' is an Office that the Mass-murderer: DAENERYS created.....remember? (King: Bran is maintaining the EXACT SAME Evil Brutal System that Cersei and Daenerys had utilized & maintained!)
@@1sam-ef The master of war was created by Cersei and given to her uncle Kevan, please pay attention.
I love democracy.
What Tyrion has basically created: The Holy Westoros Empire.
"Totally not going to end up a chaotic clusterfuck of basically every form of monarchy and republic at once with basically absolute madness as it's internal borders while the central government basically does exist while also not existing at the same time".
At least there's no France to end it
Boss King that’s a bad thing, now it’ll be the northmen with their bearded women or a Dothraki horde that will demolish Westeros
@@TribuneAquila so just Russians?
Holy Roman Empire > Westerosi shithole
I wonder what kind of religious schism would be their Thirty Years' War...
@Boss King: Maybe the parallel would be there if the North and the surviving Dothraki teamed up. Otherwise, it's just too weak.
@kapitan: Depends on the era of each you're comparing, and your criteria for un-shittiness.
Ever since Tyrion joins Daenerys, his IQ starts to drop
That's what drinking does.
@VoidKeeper Including yours.
@VoidKeeper Yes.
godzillavkk actually he stopped drinking when he was with dany. He was smarter when he did drink. Tyrion is actually one of the smartest characters in the books, but dumb and dumber made him into an idiot
It's the "Creator's Pet" Effect. Everyone has to be stupider to prop up the favorite character.
I'm guessing that Yara kind of forgot about the independence of her kingdom.
I'm guessing she agreed for peace. But wish could have seen her face when Sansa did that.
@@augustwillow3925 Besides she can always let the other kingdoms feed and rebuild her, and secede later.
@@Sakraida82 Guys. You do realize the point of my comment was to poke fun at D&D when they said Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet. :P You guys are too kind. D&D just forgot about it.
I think it's you who forgot that the deal was made with Dany, not Bran. Independence for supporting Dany in her war. She didn't support the north.
Suvam Adhikari that doesn’t matter lmao. You can still have the same demands no matter who is in power. In addition, all the kingdoms were independent at some point, and all of them have lost thousands of soldiers. The scene is stupid. I don’t see how anyone can defend it
They basically started the Holy Roman Empire 2.0.... Great job D&D.
Braeden Griffiths as if they know what the HRE is
Can't wait for boder gore,Sansa's desendants being king of the North while being king of the six kingdoms,but the north not being part of the six kingdoms and the having a various lordships scattered around the realm and I can only imagine how well this is going to go...
And sorry for the bad writing I kinda forgot to spell well.
Even worse they created the HRE post 1648 when the emperor had no actual power.
Was the Holy Roman Empire that bad?
Also the show is to incompetent they forget that with Dorne the "7 Kingdoms" are actually 8 but without the North it is now really 7 Kingdoms.
@@bryanmanuel4945 The North will be the New Austria. I cant wait for the Starks to be as inbred as the Hasburgs
When you think about it, the exact same Tywin Lannister-style long term strategy of marrying your family into all the 7 kingdoms and thus ruling the country is what this would lead to, and what the Habsburgs did.
Hoster Tully already did that. He married his older daughter to Ned Stark and his younger daughter to Jon Arryn. So now his descendants rule all three northern kingdoms. Sansa made herself an independent sovereign, and because her cousins control two buffer states between her and the Crownlands, she'll totally get away with it.
And how are the Habsburgs doing?
Goddamn Tywin *_may_* have been intelligent but he certainly was not wise.
@@Diego-zz1df They lost a world war.
@@Diego-zz1df Pretty well. They're still rich AF.
Isn't Bran a Greenseer ?
He is technically immortal , he could reign indefinitely.
God emperor confirmed you guys !
maybe I think he find a Greenseer who just powerful as he is.
Geez, living forever as a cripple? Can't he find some magic to get better? :D
@@shorewall If he gets good enough at warging, his body is basically just a thing his mind needs to make sure is kept alive. Arya has wolf-dreams when she's on another continent, I'm sure Bran can learn to-oh right, this is the show, only Bran gets any wargy stuff. Guess the other direwolves were just for show.
He ascended to a higher plane of existence by becoming a paraplegic....kinda like big E himself
Bran: “Now to stick trout all over myself and move to a sandy place.”
"That dragon burned the throne, so we should just make Bran king because he comes with his own chair"
-what Tyrion could have said
_-what Tyrion _*_should_*_ have said_
Tyrone: Well a Lannister Always pays his debts and my bro did Professor Xaviered You.
This is the best explaining of bran becoming the king why haven't I thought about it..
What Tyrion _should_ have said LOL
Would have made much more sense than whoever has the better story should be king.
Jenna yea it was kinda lucky that drogon melted the iron throne down to a wheelchair ramp
Northern independence was the WORST idea possible at that point. Not only will Southern revanchism pick up the minute her brother dies (ask Dorne how easily the other kingdoms give up the idea of continental unification), but Sansa missed the perfect opportunity to cement her dynasty on the throne in the new elective monarchy.
Think of it this way, at the time of the council in the Dragon pit, Sansa controlled the North, her brother the crownlands, her uncle the Riverlands, and her cousin the Vale. 4/9 of the voting kingdoms are of Tully blood. Grant Yara her independence and they are unbeatable. This could have ensured that their interests were seen too for generations to come with a disproportionate influence in the kingly elections.
Instead, Sansa decides to declare independence, which is all well and good until the Northerners have to pay new taxes on wheat and wine imports to get them through a rough winter. Add in the fact that the North probably lost a ridiculous % of its adult Male population between external war, civil war, zombies, and weddings, and the North isnt going to be self sustaining anytime soon.
Ugh, that ending made me so mad.
and remember the writers have been trying to sell us the whole idea that sansa is now the smartest person in the kingdoms because she learned from littlefinger BITCH if LF was there he would become king in 5 minutes
North might end up fine. Just play defensive on the neck plus the loss of life might end up helping the survivors get more rights like after the Black Death hit Europe. The south is fucked and will be mired in assassinations and war for generations now.
Yup. Queen Sansa will be facing her own rebellion pretty soon.
Kind of reminds me of the ending of "Fury Road" as the change in who was in change led to the water based economy totally destabilizing.
It made sense in that movie because it was more fantastical (ironically) than GoT.
The funny thing is that Martin was making fun of Tolkien saying that "Aragorn didn't think about tax rate"
Yes you have the whole Stark Clan not thinking about a way to protect their bloodline after the ending the War that started with Ned Stark getting his head shopped off ...
His solution is literaly Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth with Prussia having independence.
To me it sounds a bit more like the Holy Roman Empire with its Prince-Electors.
And we all know where that ended, right?
Prussia is not the North. the North is devastated, with only 4000 good fighting men. Prussia is more like the Reach which is still there.
@@HolyknightVader999 well the HRE was doing just dandy until napoleon smashed it with a sledge hammer. are you implying that the system cant work because an ambitious foreign general with a disciplined army will come in and smash them?
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 fine and dandy??!! you must be on about a different HRE
"They can even vote for themselves."
*Pirate Court flashbacks*
And the bickering then fighting between the pirates when Jack voted “Elizabeth Swan” is what would happen between the High Lords of the kingdoms after every election.
“Sorry for the rushed ending, I work with Star Wars now.” 😂
I think people have a fundamental misunderstanding about GoT...they go on the assumption that its supposed to have a "good" ending in terms of "happily ever after" and that Tyrion is an avatar for modern day thinking...but this isnt true...real democracy was brought up by Sam but the rest laughed at him because, well, why would the people in power give up that power?
Were things rushed and not fleshed out? Oh yeah...but to assume that "Tyrion would have never suggested this" is assuming that Tyrion is us.
Brian Nevs your a fool
@@MicMan03 Seriously, please tell me why
You are Weeeeeak@@briannevs7992
@@briannevs7992 Tyrion inacted an elective monarchy, just like ck2
Chaos isn’t a ladder. It’s a ramp
Hahaha, Baelish sounds like a fuckhead now
For The Emperor
And be thankful that it didn't end up being a conveyor belt
Chaos is a ladder and brann is the best at climbing.
We have to break the wheel.
*replaces one wheel with two*
"im sure if we change the way we've been selecting rulers for thousands of years nothing can go wrong" ~Democratic Republic of Germany 1919
Its name wasn't actually the "Democratic Republic of Germany." There was so much infighting over every single thing that they never had time to give the country an official name.
@@cooperross9495 It was still called the German Reich, but was commonly know as the Weimarer Republik
Sorry beeing serious(wooosh me, i deserve it), but the DDR (or GDR in English) was East Germany in the cold war, i think you mean the Weimar Republik
That's not fair. The Germans tried a hell of a lot harder than -D&D- Tyrion to figure out how Westeros should be run.
“Muh muh democracies are good rights to the people but let’s ignore most of them don’t care about politics and can easy be tuned over to a side by silent political indoctrination causing fraction in national unity this totaly isn’t going to back fire in any way. Let’s make total democracies so brats that don’t know how reality and states work just fuck about and ruin everything”
The moment The North announces it is leaving the 7 kingdoms, The Prince of Dorne would have stood up and said, "I will poison everybody here if Dorne isn't recognized as it's own kingdom!"
Made no sense to me that the North got to be independent. Dorne was an independent principality for like 150 years after Aegon's conquest, yet they don't get autonomy? I call BS
@@whaddyamean99 Dorne's ruling family for all of that time was just wiped out. the new guy doesnt have anywhere near the love or stability Martells enjoyed. and Greyjoys were never independent. it was the Hoares who ruled the Ironborn for most of their history
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 dorne as a nation wants to be Independent lol. They would flock to the new Martell prince for this decision. Same with the iron islands. They were independent for a few years with balon. All 3 should have been independent in the end.
@@dangerousboxx666 the new Prince is not a Martell so far as we know. theyre all dead.
its probably some random Yornwood which means their hold on Dorne is tenuous as it is, let alone able to control an independent Dorne.
Sansa had been ruling the North on her own for months.
and Yara, well, if she attempted to go for independence, what if Bran says no? she knows twice whats happened whe the Greyjoys tried to be independent by force
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 again a of dorne wants independence. Being the only dornish lord there even asking and getting it the dornish lords would probably flock to him as being the one to lift their 150 year occupation. The chances of the dornish lords trying to usurp him because he couldn't get independence seems more likely. Seen as a weak lord when sansa couls get independence but not him.
Bran: I will be King of the Seven Kingdoms
Sansa: The North declares its independence lol
Bran: Fine, I’ll be King of the Six Kingdoms
Everyone: Wait? That was an option?
*Iron Islands:* Aye, we were promised independence!
*Dorne:* Independence? Yo, can we get in on this?
*The Riverlands:* Hey, so our territory and people have sort of been ravished and butchered by all of YOUR wars (shout out to War of 5 Kings) so if we’re handing out independence...
Bran: I will be King of the Seven Kingdoms
Sansa: The North declares its independence lol
Bran: Fine, I’ll be King of the Six Kingdoms
Everyone: Wait? That was an option?
Bran: No, that's because she's my sister and the bitch keeps fucking whining about it.
Ah, my favourite prosecutor.How´s the coffee?
@Liz Lee sounds like brexit ? ;)
Because of independence, the North can never be chosen to rule the six kingdoms again. I'm guessing Dorne and the Iron Islands think it's worth it to stay for that reason
Sansa: The northerners would never accept a southern king
I mean, c'mon, Bran is literally a Stark. How could you be less southern than that?
Bran: Bitch please, the Northerners shut up and took it from the Boltons, our kind are nothing more than barking dogs.
The kid is Ned motherfucking starks last true son and heir to winterfell. How can you get more northern then that??!!!
Yeah there's a stark king on the throne now but you can't guarantee that that's gonna happen in the future with all this elected monarchy stuff ! Hence the hullabaloo.
Sansa pulled that stunt because she selfishly wanted to be Queen of something (anything).
If Tyrion gave a speech and chose here for the throne, the north would have been all in (I suspect).
That entire happy ending was ridiculous.
Jon would have been killed immediately, and that would have been the end of that. Some of the remaining Kingdoms would have gone to war against the Unsullied and the Dothraki.
Dorne and The Iron Islands would probably come to the defense of Dany’s army simply for show. Then use the situation as a reason to claim their independence.
@@hieroglyphy6181 Eh Dorne was always independent, they were simply allies. Who knew their best interest was to always side with targaryens
I remember when I finished Dexter, my first thought was “well at least that awful ending can serve as a cautionary tale to future writers”
How naïve of me
I watch Dexter up to season 5; season 6 was alright but it has some really lazy writing with the villain half way through the season. Season 7 was good. Season 8's plot was garbage and the finale sucked balls. Season 5 does kinda feel like Spider-Man: Far from home to me in the way though; you go from a climax like season 4 and then you have this filler season with a decent ending, but I'd rather have season 5 as the series finale than season 8
Which Better Call Saul and Brooklyn Nine-Nine don’t go on the same path.
Watch barry
Why don't you try to do alternate history scenarios for Game of Thrones. Shit like, what if Robb Stark wasn't killed at the Red Wedding and etc.
I like this idea
Or how about what if House Targaryen actually still had Dragons or King Robert discovered the truth about Jon's true origins.
Or if Stannis won the battle of Blackwater bay?
Or What if King Robert survived the boar hunt?
TabsZy Gaming everyone bends the knee
Tyrion: Bran should be King
Bran: *knows the last three eyed raven lived for thousands of years* yeeeeeeeesssss
Not if it's the same guy from the books. He was well over 100, but not thousands of years old.
Well, he did that by merging with the tree, I think. I don't know if King's Landing has a weirdtree for Bran to take root.
Not if he really is Brynden Rivers.
Oh god the king is part tree now!
@@Hoztyle619 they sure as shit don't anymore after the dragon attack
Its like D&D played CK2 for an hour in the HRE, got elected as Emperor, and thought WOW THIS IS PERFECT FOR WESTEROS
They played the Ck2 game of thrones mod and let it run for a couple hours and this season popped out
@@moosenut7671 Honestly yes. I'd do that too. D&D was like "Mmmmm gimmie some of that sweet juicy elective gavelkind."
One time I was king of Spain, and then died suddenly and was a woman who had a single county, and then she died and her heir was suddenly elected Emperor of the HRE.
But how much incest did the CK2 match have? That's very important for the story.
Out of all the material in the world Crusader Kings is what you went with?
Pure 100% hipster douche no one outside of a tiny niche hub of PC gamers even know what that is! Lol
The last time the lords of Westeros elected the king The Dance of Dargons happened.
Not really. The first Blackfyre Rebellion would make a better comparison.
nameless Well that Rebellion technically was because one of the worst kings in Westeros legitimated ALL OF HIS BASTARDS SONS
Oh yeah, the dance of *DARGONS*
Aegon V was elected nearly a century later...at the end of the day, someone really should've convinced his older brother Aemon (yes, that Aemon) that he had more of a duty to the realm than to the Maesters.
Mostly because the lords wanted a man but the rightful heir, a woman, didn't want to cede power.
When Tyrion started his speech I thought he would say enough of United Kingdoms of Westeros, now let's just breakup and rule our lands ourselves.
Which would actually have been a good ending, especially given the fact to Westeros has never been united since the ending of season one.
That image of the face of smug Bron hovering over Westeros is literally all I need to see to know this is a bad idea. It's so perfect I don't even have words.
And HBO offered D&D chance to make 10 seasons and George also supported this idea.
@FBI Wait they will write the Star Wars. Will it be the next trilogy or some tv show? Also poor Star Wars fans.
George and HBO to D&D: Told you so.
Hell, they could of had 12, if they're good and keep making money. These guys just wanted to be done and stopped trying.
100th like
D&D should have just let someone else do the last seasons...
What a bunch of selfish pricks.
The power vacuum every time a king dies would be a shit storm
It could turn even into Warlord Era maybe, who knows
@@MattJunewski probably be ninepenny kings on steroids as any big Lord can get the seat lol
Late I know but
Especially if the king died without an heir.
@@DaveMiller6042 heirs wouldn't matter in this case 😁 when the king dies they vote in another king
@@DeezUp4Da3zz as long as that Lord has the support of the most powerful lords of Westeros
Bran in Episode 2 of the season. "I'm not Bran. I'm the 3 eyed raven"
The Children of the Forest are the King now.
You know. The guys that made white walkers because they hate men.
WRITERS: We'd LIKE to do it justice, but we can't. There just isn't time!
HBO EXEC: But there could be. We could give you like, two more seas--
WRITERS: CURSE this short season!
(with thanks to the people who wrote that sketch. lol.)
Super easy, barely an inconvenience
What's the sketch called?
Search for Game of Thrones Season 8 Pitch Meeting, it's pretty funny.
Pat Wheeler all the pitch meetings are good
Short seasons are TIGHT
A prequel meme intro from Cody??!!!!?
*A surprise to be sure but a welcome one*
I have to wait 90 days to change my name we will watch your career with great interest.
Hello there.
@@SneakyJ1991 GenEraL kEnoBI!
How much more days?
Yep
This never causes any problems at all.
Ahem ahem: HolyRomanEmpire, ughugh, ugh
Personally HRE catches too much flack. Once the electoral system was truly formulated in 1353 which laid the groundwork for Hapsburg hegemony the HRE did remarkably well as an institution protecting such a diverse and large population, even with several different religions in its borders. The viability of the HRE only started to wane because of foreign intervention in the 30 Years War and completely transformed into a shadow of its former self by the time Prussia rose, unencumbered by the declining Hapsburg regime in the 18th century. However a union of decentralized and diverse states ranging from the smallest abbeys to the largest duchies in Central Europe all unified by an elected Emperor lasted for about 900 years, which is remarkably impressive regardless.
They can even elect themselves, what could go wrong?
*polish-lithuanian commonwealth has left the chat*
Audience: I can't wait to see which dynasty ultimately seizes the----
D&D: *GOTT ERHALTE FRANZ DEN KAISER*
Warhammer?
@Silver Legion Habsburg: hey has anyone seen my sister?
@@YoghurtKiss ua-cam.com/video/w81MS8qDb80/v-deo.html
*USERN GUTEN KAISER FRANZ!!!*
@Silver Legion No, Franz was Kaiser of Austria, not the Holy Roman Empire.
To be fair to the writers, setting up a system that would lead to inevitable war is very in character for Westeros.
Tis true my friend..tis true. 😂
They did say around s2 nothing would end well for any of these characters, after all
Just more of the same. This entire video is retarded and so is he for making it.
This is not a system set up by the Lords or a power-hungry king. This was proposed by a gEnIuS imp and supported by the all-knowing historian.
@@overgrownswamp Highly intelligent,maybe. Genius is a bit of a stretch. Bran also only approved of it(maybe knowing how itd go? Not sure if he can see alternate outcomes)
D&D: "Democracy is great!"
Actual history: "Well, yes. But actually no."
Democracy is soft socialism.
Monarch democracy?
Indirect democracy yes, direct democracy no. Even if indirect democracy is good it is not in the interest of the kingdoms or houses to implement it
Tejas Misra elective monarchy’s are just terrible. Ceasar and rome are a prime example. The senate elected him to power before Caesar gave himself infinite power for life, therefore destroying the “elective” bit completely before he was murdered.
Tejas Misra that would really depend on how the vote share works in this fucking terrible system. Since Tyrion is pretty much the only Lannister left I don’t think it would be them specifically in control, but another more powerful or influential house could effectively manipulate or bribe their candidate into power.
It’s just a method of government that doesn’t suit the time period
They could have just given Bronn the castle itself, and named some other house the Lord of the Reach, and Warden of the East. He got his castle, and maybe one day could establish a legitimate House, while the Reach got its legitimate leadership.
He should've been the New lord of the Twins He gets to spend his life shaking down the Riverlands with tolls.
Bran the broken - Long may he wheel
More Bran the peekin'wheelie. He watches people fuck fight marry and die. And rolls in his wheelie.
😏😂
we wanted dany to break the wheel instead we got a broken wheeler
I wheely like this comment
Bran the wheely wheely legs no feely
That Intro was one of the most glorious things I've ever seen in all of UA-cam-dom
I swear to God that was the best moment of this entire channel. It takes a lot to get me to even snort air from my nose but that had me genuinely audibly laughing
Best meme of the day
Best 25 seconds of AlternateHistoryHub 2019. Still waiting for Rome pt 3, but with intros like these, I can wait a little longer. Keep up the great work Cody👍
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"People asking for rome part 3" golden
Oh my God that Hindenburg comparison is so perfect.
@@Anony298 there's a difference though. Throughout most of it's run Dexter had no great overarching plot, it had the format of monster-of-the-week with season-long arcs connecting the episodes, you can easily treat seasons as separate stories and ignore the bad seasons.
GoT was always meant to be an 80hour-long movie that has to be watched in it's entirety and you can't really watch half of it and ignore the terrible resolution of the story.
As for Lost I haven't watched it, but anytime someone brings it up in conversation is to complain about it's shitty ending.
And no, not all shows become terrible - season 5 of Breaking Bad is widely considered to be a masterpiece and the Finale is one of the highest rated tv episodes of all time.
Khaleesi turned way too fast from good/okay queen to mad queen
It's worse. It was just kind of assumed that once Daenerys got enough power, it would start corrupting her and she'd turn into a dragon-hitler that Jon could assassinate, because that fits the plot points GRRM game them (probably without the context that makes it make sense). This overlooks both that Dany was _already_ an absolute monarch and that power doesn't corrupt like that. Power corrupts by unleashing the corruption hiding within us all. Power isn't the source of corruption-power is just the key that reveals it to the world.
I actually liked that part. My shock was deep.
@@ahmdf I was shocked by it, too. The difference was that I saw the shock as a bad thing, because it was "I don't get why this is happening" shock. The Red Wedding, say, caused shock of the slightly distinct "I didn't see this coming" variety, distinguished by my understanding of why things turned out the way they did.
Timothy McLean You’re right, power doesn’t always corrupt, power reveals. When I first started watching the show I thought she die before she could get the throne as a hero..but her being a villain would’ve been great with one more season or two to flesh out an epic Dance of Dragons part 2 between her and Jon.
Dany was on the road to mad queen since literally the first season. What's her response when she doesn't get her way?
Burn it.
D&Ds just started unholy mix of HRE and Poland-Lithuania. Both of them died painfully and this awaits for The Six Kingdoms of Westeros.
HRE survived for over 1000 years and Napoleon had to end it Napoleon. But again over 1000 years. Take the Ottomans for example they only managed about 600 years or the Romans. 500 years or so.
Not to rub too much on the soon to be Four Kingdoms, but both of those countries did last for hundreds of years before being destroyed by outsiders, so it's not that terrible.
Of course, Cody's points are the more real weaknesses.
@@arhambliss8606 HRE was pretty much dead near or after Protestant alliances and stuff and after that it was just a title nothing more. Even before that, it wasnt an empire nor holy nor roman. Everybody did their own thing even princes sometimes fought with the Emperors.
@@evrensaygn1017 Tell me of an single empire, kingdom then where the nobles or the people in power did not fight the emperor/king in the history of said empire?Just because there where rebellion it does not make it there own thing.
@@arhambliss8606 Agree on your main point, but just to be nitpicky, "Rome lasted 500 years" - depends on what you mean by "Rome" the Kingom/Republic together lasted about 700 years before the Ceasars, the unified Empire lasted about 300 - with a temporary crisis of three empires, the Western half lasted only 150 years after the final split, but the Eastern half lasted for 1000 years later.
Making every single nobleman in all the realm have just as good a claim to the throne as anyone else is such a splendid idea. This will totally not result in an absolute bloodbath and ridiculous privileges for the nobles at the expense of the smallfolk, because an elected king will actually have to win the favour of the people who are to vote for him.
Seriously, thinking is difficult.
Tbh, this idea kind of fits Tyrion in the books as of right now. Tyrion despises Westeros and would probably come up with this scheme just to make everyone suffer even more if given the chance
Our local ruins of Italica here in Seville have the incredible honor of being where this marvel of a “worst scene of the f*ckinf series” was recorded... what curse have D&D brought upon this land...
D&D: "We kind of just forgot about good writing"
Nah. Shit like this happens when you end up with source material and you have to finish the rest of the story yourself. ;)
@@peger Nah. Shit like this happens when you try to to cram a couple seasons worth of events into 6 episodes - I doubt anyone could have written it really well in such few episodes. For example the BS about kill the night king and all your white walker problems go away, is really convenient time-saving-wise
Thanos can you please snap out of existence D&D ?
They didn't run out source materials they could go for 10 years with the books they got. They skip many of plots lines and stories that sweep under rug.
Please, I've seen bad writing, and it's nothing like this.
Couldn't the dragon have attacked on a foggy morning or something? Would explain why the ballista became useless all of a sudden.
People would still complain though,,, but yh catch them off guard on the night or early morning, but Dany still has human eyes and she might not see at night while her dragon shooting fire would be a good target
@@genzo_-sensei5719 then cooking all of kings landing suddenly has valid reasoning.
actually they did this somewhat right. Dany attacked with the sun on her back, a tactic that was used by pilots in WW1 and WW2.
Or just attack at night. Drogon is black, at night time he would be invisible. Like he was in the Varys execution scene, where he was behind Dany all the time and no one saw
@@Darklarik the same goes for the defenses, hard to pinpoint them at night. Usually in warfare night raids were carpet bombings so the need for accuracy was not paramount.
>Bronn is made master of coin and lord of the reach
You could power all of the east coast with how many wats were produced
Bronn was a man who did not understand bookkeeping and finance (see season 3) and showed no interest in learning. He will be a disaster as master of coin, at least until the Iron Bank sends a Faceless Man his way..
@@mjbull5156 Nah man, they'll be laughing their asses off while completely outsmarting him in every single deal. What a joy. That's if he isn't immediately overthrown by the Fossoways or Hightowers lol.
Skyrim: Has a system where Jarls elect a high king
GoT: I'll take your entire stock!
How often do you hear about jarls going to war with each other
JK Wright The problem is (I don't know too much about Elder Scrolls lore sorry) that I assume the system in which jarls elected High Kings had been done for centuries if not thousands of years. But in Westeros, a continent which has never knew a century of peace, with millenia of wars between dozens of kingdoms and later the seven remaining and even when Aegon unified them, the political intrigues, the rebellions from powerful Houses, bastards, The Faith, the smallfolk... you really think with all this in mind, a vote system would actually qork? There would even be more wars before Brann's reign has ended!
The difference is, the Empire is usually there to police Skyrim to make sure that their elections and the country in general did not descend into civil war or anarchy. If the Jarls go back to killing each other and vying for control, the Empire would shove a boot up their ass. The only reason the Civil War in Skyrim lasted for so long was because most of the Imperial Legion was tied down on their border with the Aldmeri Dominion. If they didn't have the elves to worry about, the Empire would have squashed Ulfric Stormcloak's rebellion in an afternoon.
@@HolyknightVader999 Kinda like the Brits and the US independence. The Brits were fighting a proper world war.
@@MrYzan And then Spain and France got involved.
Who would have guessed the Iron throne was a wheelchair all along?
sUBvErT auDiENcE exPecTaTionS
Nikeel A.W the wooden throne
Now we have a literal wheel, two of them in fact.
AnYthiNg i doNt unDersTand iS StUpid AnD bAd wrItinG EveN thO ThAtS hoW the BoOK eNds
@@manorui100 What is your point? Are the books uncriticizable? You aren't allowed to dislike something in the show if its in the books?
@@manorui100 Is it though? For all I know the books aren't even finished.
This can all be summed up four words the writers of the last season like to say...
‘I forgot about that’.
DonHewgodooko
Also “you need bad pussy”
No D and D never forget, it's the characters
Last TWO seasons. Season 7 was nearly as bad. So bad that I quit on it after, but wrote a LONG explanation as to why. Can send it over to you if you want.
Benioff prides himself by only reading one book for research. Yes, the guy who wanted to do Confederate.
Michael Diekmann D&D making a show about fucking slavery in today's climate? What could possibly go wrong?
I could only imagine how that would go
Of all the dumb things decided at that meeting, Sansa demanding the North's independence was the most bafflingly infuriating. I know the creators just wanted to give Sansa a 'yass kween slay' moment, but it makes no sense for her to immediately undermine the first Stark king's rule by seceding. It weakens her family's power as well as her own, not to mention setting up the new Westerosi state to collapse. The one smart thing about appointing Bran king would be that it'd be a compromise with the North, allowing the seven kingdoms to persist without the northmen losing face, and they completely shattered that in the very same scene, and don't even seem aware of it.
Tyrion: Let's make Westerros Electional Monarchy!
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth: Liberum Veto!
Hopefully Westeros have a tsar in the east a sultan to south and two kaisers to the west!
Chaos *an oligarchy
I'll pay you if you vote for me:P.
Cheers from Poland.
*Elective
westeros is now more like HRE now with prince electors and shit.
The best part of this ending is how completely ridiculous and unworkable it is:
1) Even if the Iron islands and Dorne don't IMMEDIATELY secede - the first time electors leave them out in the cold they'll be gone.
2) Bran has literally NO reputation except to a few random high lords. To everyone else he's literally the youngest son of Ned Stark who fell out of a window. He has no connections, no military aptitude, no diplomatic ability, and no charisma. WHY WOULD ANYONE FOLLOW HIM?
3) Bronn is just a meme at this point. He should have been written out of the show after Tyrion's tenure as Hand of the King came to an end. A lot of the stupid twists and nonsensical scenes in this show are literally just BECAUSE WE NEED BRONN TO DO SOMETHING THE AUDIENCE LIKES BRONN. He has ZERO loyalty - his defining character trait is that he can only be bought. Now you've just made him the richest person on the continent. Who knows WTF he is going to do now? And you have VERY little ability to stop him if he wants to fuck around - you literally need him to fund the kingdom and feed everyone in the aftermath of all of these wars. Bronn is an anchor, and making him Lord of Highgarden is literally chaining it to your neck and throwing yourself in the sea. Worst possible decision. Make him run the King's Landing guards or make him a high ranking military officer. Awful decision.
4) The North is basically the most politically powerful part of Westeros now and they're technically not even part of your kingdom. But you still have to make them happy else they'll vote against you - or worse, turn other houses against you and end up in a war. But they have ZERO skin in the game. They get to vote but they don't have to deal with the consequences. This is literally a HORRIBLE decision.
5) The whole voting system in general is a HORRIBLE idea. Congrats, now you're the Holy Roman Empire - except worse, because you don't even have a religion in common or religious authority to help prop you up. You're just a bunch of kingdoms that mostly hate each other and have every incentive to backstab and now you have a constant reason to backstab and assassinate and scheme. Don't like the current king? Threaten, backstab, bribe, assassinate the King and get your own elected.
6) With Dorne and the Iron islands still forced to be part of this charade the first faction that realizes "hey, I can literally get 2 votes just by telling them I'll give them autonomy if they make me King" is basically guaranteed to get elected. Even worse - that house literally only has to get one other vote to get a straight majority and is guaranteed a stalemate as long as they can make sure at least one house that isn't voting for them will not vote as a bloc with their enemies. Also the North now gets to be the tiebreaking vote WHILE STILL HAVING NO SKIN IN THE GAME! This system is literally built from the ground up to tear itself apart at the first opportunity.
7) Tyrion came up with this system and is ALSO now the Hand of the King. BTW, everyone hates Tyrion. The common people still think he's a kinslaying demon monkey who sided with the Essos female version of Hitler. Most of the houses hate him - also, WHO IS GOING TO RUN THE WESTERLANDS NOW? And you put a guy with a history of treachery (betrayed his family, betrayed Daenerys) who also happens to be hated by most of the people in Essos too... as Hand of the King. BTW, since Bran is such a nonentity there's a pretty decent chance that Tyrion will wield most of the power. Total fucking shambles.
Just holy shit, for being the "smartest person in Game of Thrones" Tyrion really outdid himself. I can't think of a WORSE system than this one. Just emulating the Dothraki would probably work out better.
Liz Lee I’m sorry but you’re wrong about why Jon was made King in the North, it wasn’t because “he has a penis” it’s because quite frankly while he has been in the North fighting ice demons beyond the wall, leading men against said ice demons and just generally being a badass, Sansa has literally accomplished nothing apart from being married off, twice! To her families enemies no less!
Jon is a born leader and quite frankly one of the greatest swordsman alive in Westeros and whilst in the show he got shafted in the last two seasons, that doesn’t change the fact that whilst he’s a warrior king who has been fighting and winning wars, Sansa is just a girl who is more southern than northern!
Yeah but no one generally cares about the north . To the rest of the kingdoms the north is a barren wasteland with cold hard people just like their winters and strange gods .
The North doesn't have a vote or chance to be king because they chose independence - that's the reason Dorne & the Iron Islands have for staying.
They'd follow Bran because he's a member of the strongest house left on Westeros because most other houses are extinct after the war.
Sure voting isn't a perfect solution, but no TV show could end with 40 minutes of Tyrion drafting a perfect constitutional democracy in medieval times and successfully persuading everyone to accept it. Viewers would recognise it as unrealistic and hate it as much as they do now.
WaveHello tbh I’m unsure as to why the “wheel” needs to be broken as it were, you know apart from the American democracy fuck yeah attitude which is the only reason I can think of for that ridiculous attitude towards a system that in the world of Ice and Fire has worked for over five thousand years!
I mean Westeros hasn’t even reached the renaissance yet and they’re trying to implement the building blocks for democracy?
2) Because he's actually Cthulhu and this is now a Lovecraftian nightmare that will manipulate all things with his crazy powers and utterly fuck over all humanity to get his way. You put a flesh puppet on the throne, Tyrion, get work, the greater evil won!
So in short the kingdoms of westeros became the HRE. Yea that spells stability.
Holy Roman Empire > Westerosi shithole
It's not Tyrion's solution for Westeros that doomed everyone. It was D&D's Solution for Westeros Doomed Everyone
Bet Tyrion made that political decision for a vote for a new king was to change the subject so he wouldn’t be executed or a prisoner anymore just to save his own skin.
That's a nice story, you're king now! Oh and Disney wants you to write for em.
And don't forget the new Dothraki faction that just weren't included in this. They'll chose new Khals, start pillaging and bring slavery back to Westeros probably.
Jon is supposed to be their new khal since he killed Dany but whatever
The dothraki went back to essos,you see them boarding ships alongside the unsullied
@@TBSEminem except this was never stated, they wouldn't follow the Unsullied or follow Grey Worm and why would they ever want to leave when the heart of Westeros is weak and ripe for pillaging.
@@Yellow.1844 I don't think it works like that. Very few Dothraki followed Dany when Drogo died. I don't remember them having a line of succession.
Oh and the wildlings, now there's no wall in the east. They just have to walk whenever they fell rapey or pillagey
Did everyone forget the three eyed raven lives for thousands of years?
Bran forgot to mention it to them
AngryXInch Won’t work the three eyed raven had the tree. In the books it was specifically cared for by the the children which helped to prolong his life.
A bit over 100, not thousands of years. And his life was only prolonged by being hooked to a weirwood tree and taken care of the by the children of the forest.
They could of done the entire war against the white walkers one season on its own. Then covered the final phase for the Iron Throne. Actually show Daenerys slowly slipping into insanity and Jon realising that he will have to shoulder the Burden of taking the throne.
tyrion is definitely smart. well... at least 3 seasons ago :(
The ruining of Tyrion as a character stems from his rescue in Season 4 where they omit the Tysha confession from Jamie. Without the Tysha confession from Jamie, his actual reason to go confront Tywin doesn't exist, and thus him doing so in the show as it was written should never have happened, because it was solely Tywin doing what he's been doing to Tyrion his entire life. But in the book, it's literally Tyrion finding out, he was truly loved by some one for who he was, not what he had and his father and brother had both taken that from him, and thus was emotionally unstable and completely justified for his actions in the Tower of the hand from a literary perspective. The show has no justification at all.
This also creates a Tyrion that is dark and jaded in the books, that is humorless and more corrupt, that across the 5th book we get to see slowly, ever so slowly start to come back to what he used to be... in the show Tyrion never changes, so instead of taking a fan favorite character and warping him to the point of nearly breaking him in like in the books, they just make him a more generic Tyrion like we saw up until before the trial. Meanwhile the way he acts at the end of the trial, the Tyrion who wishes he could poison the entire room of people around them and watch them choke for air is the type of Tyrion we were supposed to have season 5-6.
The omission of the Tysha confession also makes the scene with the whore who can speak westerosie make no sense at all and does nothing for show Tyrion, meanwhile in the books it was to show his mental state of hating himself, missing and wanting Tysha, and also just wanting to die. He begs the whore to just kill him and take his head back to Cersie, where she would be made a lady and never whipped again, but she doesn't understand, so he just throws her legs apart and mounts her again because at least that she can understand. WE NEVER GET THIS KIND OF TYRION BECAUSE OF THE TYSHA CONFESSION BEING OMITTED BY THE SHOW WRITERS!
And this is why as the show goes on, Tyrion gets more stale, and his lines get more boring, because there's no true character development, and this is why show Tyrion is an absolute dumbass who doesn't realize that the crypts, full of dead people, is a horrible place to hide from a necromancing ice demon.
"We apologize for Season 8, those responsible have been sacked."
Personally I preferred "The Huge Molars of Horst Nordfink" and "Hot Hands of an Oslo Dentist"
The way King's landing was sacked, preferably.
the sacking of those responsible for the sacking have also been sacked and replaced with less sackable sackers
It was the moose guy again
Mia Destroyer of worlds
No, no, no....twas the guy’s sister who had the unfortunate encounter with the moose; cmon, don’t forget important details, that’s happened too much lately...
Oh my god. Best analogy ever, comparing it to the Hindenburg. We don't remember the marvel of luxurious travel across the Atlantic; we remember the fiery crash and burn. Makes me so sad. Also though makes me look back on shows like Breaking Bad and say, that dude should teach classes in Hollywood on this is how you end a TV show. And so many props on the Red Letter Media reference, even if they were referring to Star Trek and not GOT.
The historian in me (I'm a history teacher) was screaming at the screen in that council meeting. Haven't you guys heard of the freaking Holy Roman Empire? The voting by the big powerful nobles worked out really well there huh? I should have put quotes around voting, because look what the freaking Hapsburgs did to that shit.
yeah somhow I doubt that Tyrion heard of the HRE
@@xanderb6946 Wasn't referring to Tyrion man, was referring to the writers of Game of Thrones. Have you seen the interviews? They think their solution was novel and innovative and hadn't been done before and was awesome; obviously they skipped history class in college cause it's been done a lot in history and almost always backfired.
"You can't write characters, who are smarter than you."
Hmmm...when exactly did D&D run out of book material?
about season 4- the red & purple weddings were the climax to the series to me. and they happened literally 100 pages apart in book 3.
This is possibly the most memetastic AlternateHistoryHub video yet.
So dank, so spicy, so Cody. 😎👍
Obi: You have become what you have sworn to destroy!
Tyrion: Frick You
I already love watching your channel, found you through Mr. Terry, but watching you do it from this perspective is just glorious!
in context everything that happens makes me think bran was the villain the whole time.
He was. The Night King was the true hero, whose quest was thwarted by a flying little girl.
"Season 8 was a thing that existed...", a perfect summary!
No one:
Nobody:
Not even an inbred Hapsburg:
D&D: So, Tyrion kinda forgot about everything that’s happened and why elective monarchy would be the worst idea possible
@BlackDeathViral03 I used to be a very strong Stannis fan, until I realized that there is no way in hell he was going to get that throne even with all the blood rights and badassery in the world. Not enough aristocratic support. Almost everyone in the the South fucking hates him, especially the Tyrells. The Tyrells first signed on with Renly, then Tywin, just to fight Stannis, because they loved Renly and hated Stannis. They would sign on with a gibbering retard as king if that retard decided to fight Stannis. It doesn't matter how many of the smaller kingdoms he defeats, he can beat the fucking White Walkers for all we care, he's not getting past the Tyrell army, which is four times the size of Robb's 20K-man army.
This is why I also thought that the war between Daenerys and Cersei should have been ten times shorter. With the Tyrells on her side, Dany would have no end of troops or supplies. The Tyrell army would park right in front of the capital after Mace Tyrell's death, blockade the city, and feast outside their walls while the city starved. You'd have Olenna Tyrell and Randyll Tarly holding banquet after banquet for their troops, while the people inside the capital look at it with gaunt, elongated faces and starving stomachs, all the while Daenerys is sunbathing on the beaches of Dragonstone having Jon Snow and Missandei pour lotion on her back.
Eventually, the people within the walls will riot and remove Cersei. By the time Dany lands on Westeros, it's all over, and Cersei hands over the crown to avoid starving to death. Even if Euron's 1000-ship fleet tries to save Cersei, the Tyrells have the Redwyne fleet, which would be more than enough to sink Euron's ships if they had dragon support. And since this would be early in the war, Euron wouldn't have any anti-dragon ballistas yet. Which means that he's fucked too.
He's right. Elective monarchy led to the Star Wars prequels.
@@HolyknightVader999 Agreed with most of your point, except the bit about Euron. If he can stand on a barren, rocky island, demand 1000 ships and five minutes later have them, I think a few scorpions would be easy to acquire. I'm just surprised he didn't call in a tactical nuke, but I guess Tyrion had already played that little trick.
If it worked hundred of years in the real world why shouldn't it work in Westeros?
The point is...accepting a king and knowing that he and his offspring will be king while you and your offspring NEVER has a chance (as long as you stay loyal) is different from electing a king and hoping that one of your kids might be selected if he dies. So for all the Lords it is a way more attractive option.
This is what happens when you reset your intelligence points and invest them in charisma.
I've never laughed at an intro so hard in my life. Thank you so much. You earned a new sub
"descend into war every human lifetime"
*ottoman empire intensifies*
Did you talk shit about me Ulan !!
I hope you are ready to become şiş kebap
That totally didn't happen though. The Sultan-to-be just had his (half-)brothers strangled and be done with it. After that policy there weren't that many civil wars. There was wars but it was hardly the problem with stability and system of governance. More like external enemies.
@@gokbay3057 true but it also made the presumed heir keep their younger brothers out positions of power to keep them from starting a civil war and could be quietly murdered. this would back fire if the intended heir died and were stuck with an idiot that was essentially a prisoner in a Palace that knew nothing
Jaime's Kingslayer level was so high he tried to kill the king 8 years ago
And then conveniently forgot why he did that and started acting like he never cared about smallfolk, despite the ENTIRE REASON he betrayed his vows was to protect them.
@@GZilla311 a good person can stop being good. It is not a matter of their nature, but their conditioning.
Jamie is conditioned to become less like the knight he wishes to be and to become more sick and twisted like the rest othe nobles f kingslanding
Ask About Socialism/ Ask About Inequality Nope just bad writing. He even left Cersei because it was the right thing to do.
Holy Roman Empire V2: Westeros boogaloo
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This is the first video I have watched from this channel and already love the intro
Don't forget the fact that THE DOTHRAKI NOW KNOW HOW TO NAVIGATE.
To an island of death to any outsider who sets foot on it. Pretty sure someone wanted them out of the way and set the course for them.
Dany teaches the dothraki to navigate and man the ships themselves when they cross to westeros...in the books. they mostly ignore that part on the show though there is short camera shot of them doing that for like 3 seconds in in earlier seasons. that said, it's pretty pathetic how they treated the dothraki and unsullied like nothing more than plot devices and nuisances to get rid of this season. i hated it so much.
Also...anyone notice how Westeros will basically be turned into three large empires, each ruled by a Stark? I mean, I think we all expect Jon Snow to become "King-Beyond-The-Wall".
So we've got Aegon Targaryen/Jon Stark ruling the "Real North", Sansa Stark ruling the "North" and Bran Stark ruling the rest of the continent.
Well, kinda like Hapsburg Europe when you think about it...
Don't forget that Arya is invincible and going to kill whatever's out west. She's the Columbus of her time.
i stil dont understand how the vale the iron islands and dorne accepted that the counsil was formed by 3 starks a stark cousin and a stark uncle the game was rigged from the start
I'll do you one better. House Tully won the Game of Thrones.
Bran the Broken, King of the 6 Kingdoms: Tully mother.
Sansa Stark, Queen in the North: Tully mother.
Edmure Tully, Lord Paramount of the Riverlands: full-blood Tully.
Robyn Arryn, Lord Paramount of the Vale: Tully mother.
Jon can have his snowy wasteland, Tullys control the two countries of Westeros, and 3/8 of the voting kingdoms of the "6 Kingdoms".
Another thing to piss other houses and kingdoms off.
@@umjackd
IIRC there's canonically nothing really west of Westeros - The world is just round and Arya would end up in the shadowlands.
Though to be fair I'd be down with seeing Arya slaughter a bunch of shadow demons and dragons, Doomguy style, as much as I am kinda tired of Arya (A feeling that I'm sure many people share).
A ruler capable of seing everything that happens in his kingdom is a really dangerous thing
Far less dangerous when he can only see and cannot act, bran has no armies, no dragons, no power, legitimacy, or even friends, he can't even procreate and make heirs ffs, he is king in the the crownlands who hate every king not of targaryen descent, surrounded by regions lead by men much more powerful than him and faaar from loyal and that's not even considering the fact that he is a king from a different land, race and religion and who has come to the south for the first time in his life, not only that but he can't even get help from the north since they are officially independent now. The most logical thing to happen would be a rebellion that he has no way of stopping.
7:20-7:34 that ending was HILARIOUS!!!😆
Well, _somebody_ is a bit salty about the ending.
Sorry, I meant *everybody* is salty about the ending.
Including you I presume?
@@lord2529 _Especially_ me
@@PitterPatter20 Yeah, I can taste the salt from the Iron Isle all the way from here. lol
Alternate GoT: What if George RR Martin could write any faster and not let GoT writers outpace him?
alternative ashole leave the man alone and let him writes his book in his own time he dont owe us anything. what if people like you stoped bitching he is an old man writing in his own fucking pace. if it is so easy to write the why dont you ?
George R.R. Martin would need Stephen King's ghost writers in order to keep up with the pace the show was going.
We could still be in the book material but they rushed everthing because they wanted to do other things
They purposefully rushed the show many seasons ago and power walked two huge books in half a season with the open intent of getting ahead and becoming the sole controlers of the narrative. If they kept pace with the books, they would be aproaching the last published book by around the current season.
We may complain about Martin as readers, but the show is certainly not the fault of his slow writing.
@@edisonmichael6345 This. The showrunners did not like the idea of people being able to spoil their show with the books.
When Peter Dinklage says in that interview "Tyrion is smart, but I guess not that smart"
You can FEEL the existential pain Dinklage is feeling when he has to say that. The role of his fucking life up until now, one of the most memorable and beloved characters in all of television, has been reduced to...I can't even begin to describe.
Loved your ending message. Shots fired so well
AlternateHistoryHub should make Game of Thrones season 9 and everyone would love to see it
Zuzu great idea
Zuzu dumb
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Except me cuz i never seen it 🍾 & will never see it. But i’ll give y’all likes cuz am nice like that.
Its over man, move on.
As a Pole I cringed when they accepted the idea of electing kings. yEAH THAT CERTAINLY ENDED WELL
They are either going to be eaten by the 3 independent realms or become a hereditary monarchy again.
@@callan6499 he refers to the polish-commenwealth who was en elective monarchy nedless to say it crashed and burned and got invaded.
Yeah, what's more, they choosed Bran Stark to be their king... who's a Northener whose sister rules the now-independent North. How stupid all of them are? Next total war in no more than 5 years. Lol.
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I'm from Poland and I can relate how Tyrion's plan is shit. In 16th century Poland was quite a superpower with great economy, culture. That was the first part of this noble democracy. And then came 17th century, when I can say "the nobles kinda forgot they are running the country" and we had 100 years of constant war. It weakened our country that much that it didn't take to much effort for Russia, Austria and Prussia to make Poland dissapear. From superpower to nothing, thanks Tyrion.