As a casual player, I thought the Invasion and Kameo stuff were not fun. MK11 was more fun casually despite me not enjoying the slower speed. MKX was the last game I really enjoyed.
I didn’t like mk1 at all, i only played the story, didn’t liked and just uninstalled. The previous 3 mk were waaay better and prefer a tag team mode like in mk9. And of course the other mk were perfect for some casual fighting every now an then because of their adecuate storage size, instead of the whopping 150 gb of mk1.
The hardest thing for me to even try current mk games is knowing they have such a small shelf life. Games like street fighter and Tekken last for years and improve from launch and retain a steady audience on and offline
Max is spot on about the "brand new era" stuff just being bs, I was really excited about the idea of a brand new timeline with reimagined characters but they did not commit to it at all other than I guess Rain
This. As for casual side of me that likes story mode in fighting game, this whole "new era" is really a big miss and wasted potential. The thought of Liu Kang literally created a whole new universe, dare I say has limitless potential of an idea they can executed, but instead no they literally just reboot the same storyline again. The 3D era characters return back just for the sake of them returning, that all. The main villain is Shang Tsung again. They could have gone for a new story, maybe like after Kronika was defeated, a brand new Titans emerge from the shadows to fight Liu Kang, and speaking of a Titan...ho boi how I hate they just treat the Titan merely as a "status" instead of actual race. Everyone is a Titan now. Is just dumb imo. They clearly branded that an Elder Gods is a child of a Titan, as a homage to Greek mythos. But now that idea is completely scrap. They could have take the opportunity to flesh out the Titans lore, who actually they are, what is their connection to the One Being. But nope, they decided to do some MCU multiverse war shit and slap everyone as a Titan because they thought it was cool.
Zest Mage rain is the worst reincarnation of a character I've ever seen. Making a classic fan favorite a moist magician was the tipping point for majority of MK fan
I think they were trying to cater to this generation of ADHD gaming where people don’t have patience. Just get straight to the fighting. I like the 3 lines too.
This is one of the first things I noticed that made me nervous about the game going forward. Cheaping out on such a small but valuable thing was not a good sign
High price tag, unfinished product, little to no customisation compared to mk11, not enough offline content compared to mk11, WB greediness and charging the DLC almost as the main game, Kameos are a hit and miss.
I have zero faith in MK2/13/whatever they're going to call it. Warner Bros will learn nothing from this and make the pushes they always make onto NRS and NRS is going to deliver something even weaker than what's been given here, _which is so incredibly weak already._ I would love to be wrong, but I keep being proven right and I fucking hate it.
I hope the next game NRS are working on behind the scenes is Injustice 3; Not because I'm eager for a new Injustice game, but because in my opinion they should consider another publisher for the Mortal Kombat brand going forward.
NRS should learn from their mistakes and listen to their community. The mkplayerbase and casual audience wants the MK that is fun as MKX. Should've kept this formula and built on a legacy.
The only thing that made MKX fun was the run button speeding things up and allowing more creativity. It still had the same issues as every other NRS game with slow ass dial a combo and a bunch of pointless variations for each character nobody uses after the first week when they figure out which ones the best.
Listening to your community isn't always the best thing since we don't always know what we want and not everyone wants a game like MKX (there are people who think variations are a stupid idea). NRS can't please everyone nor should they. They just need to make a game that plays well, has an entertaining story and doesn't make you pay over $100 to 200 to fully experience its content.
@@SecretLifeOfMcNallyummmm idk about that even the fighting combat was basically faster overall not just the running…. Attacks , jumps , dashes , all were faster. Even if they took the running out I’d still pick it over mk11 and mk1. Had high mixup potential, nice rush down. Didn’t have trash crushing blow mechanic or trash cameos so I don’t see the similarities.
@@Hinokami777the running was the best thing about mkx lmao stop coping. Run cancels led to godlike combos, all these beefy combos and strings you see done by pros are because of run cancels allowing for extensions. Like Liu Kang, Raiden, Sub, all had projectile cancel combos, I think even Scorpion.
@@Hinokami777without the run mechanic mkx would’ve been very similar to mk1 in terms of gameplay speed. Running allowed for combo extensions plus insane pressure
People hardly shoot energy things in the main story and the "multiverse burnout" for you ain't the game's fault. I guess a lot of stories are "bad" then cause they involve people shooting energy of some kind.
I play MK for the story and characters, and the entire reboot concept that doesn’t turn out to actually be a reboot and leans into the completely overdone multiverse bullshit made this the first MK I haven’t gotten since MK9.
@@MrMetalforever5 It's only Marvel, EEAOO did the multiverse angle and won an oscar, it comes down to writing and not having COVID/Strikes throw off everything
@@chrange9714The multiverse burnout is definitely the games fault, it's one of the biggest criticisms of the story, everything was new and fresh until the multuverse stuff was added. People just wanted a simpler, more grounded story, that's what the timeline reboot was for, and only a few chapters later we're back to the timeline crap. The burnout is real because so many stories have multiverse bs amd NRS failed to be original and just copied what others did.
5:30 I do totally agree that they should let you update the background screen and music. For example Tekken’s music gets me hyped up to fucking FIGHT. But MK1’s is kinda boring until that Chinese instrument part plays for like 5 seconds.
NRS fighting games have the most forgettable music in modern fighting games except when it's a remix of a Dan Forden track. Even MVCI had more memorable tracks.
They need to cut ties with WB even if it means no more rights to many guests they wanted. WB just destroy everything they touch with their greed. Street fighter and Tekken make a game and support it for years, give meaningful patch notes to make the game last. Ever since MK1 launched it's been cash grab after cash grab and it's simply unacceptable. 50$ for a DLC that's just a meaningless story expansion with no substance and a kombat pack( that doesn't even have Kameos in it which is scummy AF). The issue with this game are mainly not even gameplay related, it's cause they rushed and took away modes everyone loved. In the next MK game they need to bring back conquest mode, the Krypt, have fckin training mode while searching for matches and most importantly stop scamming people. The 10$ fatalities, announcer voices and skins, the overpriced DLC, Scandal after scandal after scandal no wonder your game dies. And another issue is that the balancing team has been terrifyingly incompetent. Nearly A year and a half after launch and Sindel is still top 3 as she's been since day 1. Homelander was unmatched for over 6 months. Sub Zero received nearly 0 buffs since launch. Ferra is still annoyingly broken. They need to fire the balancing team and send them packing. You can't have a successful fighting game where you've got an unfair meta, a stale meta that never changes, braindead strats being viable at the highest level( scorpion ferra, sindel lao and sindel tremor, homelander ferra, Reiko, scorpion jax). It's just a shame cause this game gameplay wise at least for me is way more fun than MKX. They've found a nice balance between broken and toned down mk11. I think the kameo system had so much potential but they just don't know or don't care enough to buff any kameo in the game. If that's how they deal assists I don't ever wanna see an assist fighter from them again
One thing I love about Max is that he can break down a lot of the talk and makes it feels understandable about why a game just isn't working all that well. He can articulate to someone like me why a game works, why it doesn't and what can be done. It feels like a conversation and hence why he is the only one I go to about "state of the game" stuff because he keeps it chill without being full of bluster about the situation
I think what they did here was better, cause with a tag fighter that would require every assist character to have their own move set. That’s just unreasonable
@@rockycuro7737 But on the other hand, that is exactly why the Kameo system feels underbaked (because it's the cheapest / least amount of effort they could do to bring more characters.) So in the pursuit of cutting corners they ended up with product that feels like it's corners were cut.
@ I mean, it’s because of that system that allows us to see these characters again without needing them to be playable. Isn’t that better than waiting to all those characters to be dlc? Like, how else would we be playing alongside mavado or motaro or Goro or ferra or whoever else? You’d either have to make them fit with the story to work with the fighters, or wait for them to be dlc and somehow work them into the events of the game. But with the kameo system you don’t have to do that. You can bring back obscure characters nobody remembers, you can have motaro return for the first time since mk3, you can have mokap or Stryker or khameleon back in action again.
@@rockycuro7737 I think the implication that neutralguy is making is that you would simply have the main roster as assists and tag partners, instead of having characters that are strictly for assists
@ man unless every kameo character was main roster and had their own movelist, it wouldn’t work with the characters already on the roster. Having them tag in and being forced to do the tag fighting the whole time would’ve just been so bad
To me the biggest problem MK1 suffers from is one that started in MK11 and that is the atmosphere is not what you expect from an MK game. The gameplay is a clear step up from MK11 but not at the same level of fun as MK9/MKX and I think the combos take way too long. When your combos begin to exceed 3-5 seconds of IRL time on every interaction then something has to be done here.
Personally, I dislike paying 70 dollars for the game and not having half the roster because it's all dlc. Kind of...done with fighting games. Love to play love to watch but hate to own it.
This has been a huge problem for years now unfortunately with fighting games. It’s why I stopped buying them at launch cause they just want to monetize everything as DLC instead of giving a great roster at launch.
Because MK's sales are carried entirely by novelty and not quality. Casuals don't care if the game is MKX but better, they care if Elmo and Micheal Myers are playable. If you can't put it in a thumbnail, the suits do not care.
@@jays.6843MK has been riding on “Your dad’s fighting game he played in the arcades in the 80’s” why do you think they keep adding old 80’s action stars and famous characters? That’s all they have
As someone who despises MK11, i have to say it was overall a way better package. I love MK1's gameplay, i dont mind the kameo posing stuff, it helped me figure out some of the moves better before I got into the ambush attacks. But so much of the game just suffers from what is clearly Warner Bros' dirty fingers mucking around in every part of the game outside of its gameplay. It breaks my heart knowing WB is likely gonna pull the plug instead of trying to pull the players back in. The simple fact is that every patch has made this game better and yet we're forced into the same Mortal Kombat dev cycle. A year or so of support then dropped. Only this time it feels like it was dropped before they had the chance to make it even better. It also sucks that yet again, i dont get Kabal in a game that i REALLY enjoy playing. Never got him in X and I'll never get him in 1. I'm stuck with him in 9, which is fun enough but I never quite figured out. And i get him in 11, which i actively dislike playing
As a pro player and a console player , we find matches fast asf but I understand what u mean I wish it was like Tekken in a way let us practice while waiting for a match
Im actually a big fan of Kameos. However Max nailed it, they can kind of be unintuitive and jank. Not to mention the ones that make you stop and pose. They really seemed to restrict a play feature that was supposed to be a huge part of the game.
@hehehehaw8346 respectfully, just because an art style looks closer to real life and is more detailed doesn't instantly mean it's better. There's also more to an art style than graphics alone. I'm referring to the tone more than anything else anyways. The franchise has always had a rather dark element to it. That's been evident in character and level design. MK1 however, shifted to more vibrant colors and more elaborate details that feels rather foreign and out of place for the franchise (yes, even with its more detailed and higher rez blood and gore 😅). Less can at times mean more. And that's not to say we need to cut back on pixels, per se. I just think we need to revisit the more familiar darker visual undertones.
@rmj7 mk9/x have no mechanics. Mkx has a Run button. Other than that they're typical bone basic fighters, but with nrs jank, floaty jumps, slow normals, dull ass dial a combo...
I'll say this forever MK1 feels like a game that should've been made during that MK9 Era. I will never understand how we gone through similar variations of the tag system MK1 has but it still feels incomplete
Wtf does that even mean? You're saying nothing and have the most thumbs up on this video. Mk just needs better gameplay, flat out. Street Fighter doesn't have towers and crypts and all this other shit, it just has good gameplay and some basic extra modes. Mk needs to make the run button a serious staple to deal with every entry feeling slow. They need to ditch dial a combo and go back to something more satisfying like chains in mk3. With Dial a combo you input your string and wait while every move finishes animating. It's not snappy. With chains like mk3, each animation is canceled out by the next button press, making things happen immediately. Its fast and you feel more in control. It's SATISFYING. Mk9 had the same issue, people were just blinded by the Nostalgia of the roster and story and it going back to 2d. Every nrs game has the same problems and people are slowly getting tired of it. MKX was okay, because it was fast and had Run, that's why it's everybody's favorite of the nrs games. But it still had boring ass dial a combos. Make Run a series staple and fix dial a combo where it's not so damn slow feeling.
@SecretLifeOfMcNally Translation: MK1 still feels like a test/incomplete game and should've been released during an earlier age around MK9 as either an update or later game before MKX. MK11 and MKX feel like more complete games, while 1 could still be considered early access of all the features it's missing.
@ViewtifulOtaku7 Or just release good games with good gameplay from the start. "This game feels unfinished, so it would have made more sense if it came out when mk9 did" What? NRS has literally never supported a game more than 2 years ever. All this shit max says like it has a lot of potential to get better is BS because NRS doesn't support their games long enough to improve them. No NRS game ever got a new mechanic added to spice things up. Just more story and character stuff because they can charge for it, but can't charge for a mechanic update. If you're only gonna support your game for a year and a half, you better make sure you release it in a good state.
When I saw the trailer and saw how long it will take to be released which was like 3 months, I feared this would be the future of the game. NRS really should’ve spent more time on the development of this game…
@ With no more content on the horizon it might aswell be. WB needs to learn that you kill off any community when you nope out of your GAS titles preemptively just because they aren’t bringing in the dough. Whoever makes these calls at WB has the IQ of a subterminal amoeba.
I wish they kept the three line interactions like from X and 11, because they’re enjoyable, and tell us some stuff on what happened to other characters. While I don’t mind the Kameos, but I kinda wish NRS would try Kombo Fatalities with the Main Kombatants, because that would be an interesting feature. But one thing I really like about MK1, is the brand new story it gives us, fresh new ideas, and not following the same stuff from the previous games. Though I do miss Shao Kahn being the Major Villain, since he’s such a big threat, even Gods fear him. But, oh well, when in Rome.
I remember an interview had Ed Boon say the kameo system began conceptually as just tailored to each character instead of a separate roster. I think in hindsight, it would have been better.
It’s sad despite how huge MK is culturally it’s one of the least supported fighting game franchises long term. All NRS games in general tbh. I get that it’s mainly a WB issue but these games genuinely feel like the cod of fighting games. Very little changes between games while also feeling underbaked having to wait over a year to finally get to a point where the game is somewhat fun.
Game development issues aside, I really wish MK stuck to what made it unique. They used to push the envelope for what you could put in a video game but MK1 seems to be the “safest” entry the series has ever had. I wish they would go back to taking risks with their story and character design. The game looks amazing yet it feels so bland. I want bat shit insane characters that are badass doing fucked up things all while being present in a competitively balanced fighting game.
They had the formula with MKX when they introduced variations. Then 11 comes around and most moves for characters were prohibited therefore tuning down the game which sucked. Now we’re stuck with MK1 and the god awful cameo system that could’ve been good yet failed hard. It’s like the saying goes, if it’s not broken don’t fix it. Hopefully the next game they give us is thoughtfully planned out or else it’s back to the drawing board for NRS.
Casual player here, I'm still playing it, because I like the idea of collecting stuff and I also enjoy a lot of things in the game but it is INCREDIBLY faulty and raw, I do not even come close to the Kombat League because it takes too much time and it is dull (you can't even swap your main character between matches) and the WORST is that they keep rewarding us with Golden Koins that are useless because the Shrine is PERMANENTLY closed in order to force us to keep farming seasonal koins (silver ones). The constant rewarding of useless golden koins is also a constant reminder that they do not give a shit. Cheers, man!
I enjoyed Mortal Kombat 1 casually so it's disappointing to hear support for the game is ending. But speaking of games getting cut short, I miss Golden Sun so, so much.
Definitely agree with you with things feeling same-y with regards to characters and the story. The only things that truly felt new were Reptile and Baraka being good guys, which was awesome! But then it goes to the multiverse stuff and repeating story beats (kenshi goes blind, sub becomes noob, etc.)
"You're looking at the waiting for ranked matched screen" This is exactly what killed soul calibur 6 for me. I wanted to play that game, but I did not want to wait for 3 minutes to get into a match on launch day
Kameo system was a terrible idea. Any character you want to play feels incomplete because there needs to be a purpose to pair a Kameo with them. Then if the best Kameo to pair them with is one you don’t like, then suddenly you’re not as excited to play your favorite character anymore.
Woah my mind actually broke a little when I heard the Golden Sun soundtrack on a Max video about MK. I'm not even kidding, it was like two completely separate parts of my being suddenly _collided_ in my head. Took me a few seconds to recover.
mk1 was heading in the right direction when it came to the gameplay and characters getting the right buffs and nerfs soo i hope they keep supporting the game!!! some people dont enjoy the game and some do enjoy it and dats fair analysis, it happens wit all games
I’ve mainly been playing mk1 offline practicing combos and fighting locals. So I’ve never really understood the criticism from a gameplay standpoint. I’ve loved the gameplay of it. But Hearing Max’s take on mk1 and the various online problems finally makes the criticism makes sense to me. I finally understand the gripes people have, but I’m having fun with it at the very least. (Mainly because I don’t have to deal with the issues lmao)
Games monetization and rollout were utterly terrible so it turned people off. If I had nickel for every time I heard that story on the game industry now.
We need Content Creators who dont bs or fall into the sheep/yes man mentality when they get early access to a game. That couldve saved alot of people $60+ and probaly got NRS focused sooner on the next game fully
If you ever want to nerf a feature in a way that tangibly feels worse out of fear that it's unbalanced, you are probably making a mistake unless it's especially egregious.
My biggest issue with MK1 is the input system for Kamos. For example: I can use Mavado. In a middle of a juggle combo, I have to press the Kamo button and a directional button. That is simple on paper but when you are doing combos that require tight movement and button presses and then try to press an alternate combination of buttons for the Kamo and continue my complex combo. It results with 10% of the time things connecting and 90% of the time in Kombat league (an arguably high intense mode to rank up). If it was a simple Kamo button press without the directional part, I would be so much happier. However, due to this issue, I find myself using VERY easy kamos that leads to the same type of gameplay over and over and over. I wish it was different so I could love it as much as I want too.
Max - "I love these characters, they're all really fun" Max 1 minute earlier - "I never clicked with a single character in this game, I didn't really have fun with anybody" Also Max - "The game is really good" Max 1 minute later -"Everytime I go online to play I'm reminded how bad this game is". Bro. Stop sugarcoating shit and just be genuine. Ed boon won't be mad at you for being honest.
@bruuuuuuuuhhhh How can he think the game is quote "really good" if he quote "didn't click with a single character and didn't really enjoy playing as anybody"? He contradicts himself every minute of the video. The game feels really bad but it's also really good but it has a ton of obvious problems but it's really fun but everytime I go online I remember how bad this game is... All direct quotes from the first like 3 minutes of this video.
@@SecretLifeOfMcNally You can acknowledge that you think something is good while also acknowledging that it wasn't for you specifically, the two are not mutually exclusive. It's like if someone praised the gameplay and feel of Elden Ring or Sekiro while also saying they couldn't get behind the "rhythm" of the game's combat. Doesn't magically make the first remark about the games quality null and void, it shows a more personal opinion relative to a broader observation of the game.
@@SecretLifeOfMcNallythe best example is saying you’re a big fan of this character and you’re excited that these characters are back/here to play but their style of gameplay doesn’t feel good to you.
max speaking volumes about the matchmaking, if i have to spend 5 minutes between matches doing nothing but navigating menus to flip a coin on wheather its a ahitty connection or not really killed my enthusiasm for the game
I felt that there wasn't enough choice aswel and characters feel weak now because you need kameo to be strong .like scorpion only being broken with ferra or he's trash i hate that feeling specially when i wont to play scorpion
Yeah... that is a problem with NRS' balance design in my opinion, they are always handicapping everyone and cutting off their wings, for the sake of "balance" (which they never really achieve). Meanwhile other fighting games are letting characters go crazy, having power creep but trying to deal with it, and in those games assists simply let characters go even more crazy, rather than allowing them to function as they should by default.
They jumped the shark after MKX. MK11 was trash. MK1 is already uninstalled off of the hard drives of everyone I know. Meanwhile MK9 and MKX still see a lot of love. MK9 was my favourite but I really liked some of the new characters and their variations in MKX.
MKX gameplay and atmosphere (aand stage interactions) + MK11 production values and content (and Krushing Blows) + MK1 assist as co-op tag + ten or more special attacks per character - "Variations" or "custom abilities" = as good as it could get with what we've seen NRS can do, and the _only_ formula that could save the franchise (if it hasn't already be relegated to a decade or more long stasis).
Max, you spent half the video literally calling the game a pile of shit. "Icing on a cake of shit," and how the kameo system is bad, the gameplay doesn't feel right, none of the characters work for you, how playing the game feels like a chore, and how every part of the game feels like a step backwards...then, you say it's a really good game. I know you try to stay positive, and try to find the good in everything, but just be honest. Because, it sounds like you care more about not burning any bridges rather than just being honest with your audience. If almost every aspect of the game is bad...just say it's a bad game and be done with it.
Something I've noted about Kameos; it feels like every character is restrained in order for the Kameos to work. Like, your character cannot do huge combos without Kameos jumping in, and usually the Kameo you need to extend comfortably is a DLC one.
As a lifelong MK fan I look at MK1 and I don't see a Mortal Kombat game. That isn't Scorpion, that isn't Cyrax, that isn't Mileena, that isn't Sektor, that isn't Havik. That isn't Liu Kang. That isn't Shao Khan.. In a game with such iconic characters, these things matter to some of us. The cameo system is an absurdly lazy attempt to squeeze more characters in without making them fully playable. Not to mention, you get us close to characters like Cassie and Jackie and then just erase them with a new timeline, and you do it so passively that it isn't ever even spoken of. They're just gone. MK1 is not a Mortal Kombat game. It's something else with a MK skin and barely even that.
A bit of a recurring problem of NRS is that they make very good looking fighting games with solid mechanics, but are just not fun to play due to other factors. Injustice 2, MK11, MK1, its 3 flops in a row. Granted having to push the game forward by WB mandate has hurt MK1 a lot, but in my opinion not all of the blame can be placed on WB here. You have been in the industry for a long time and you know the fundamentals of what makes a good fighting game. Not having all of those fundamentals in order from the beginning to build your game upon is the responsibility of NRS.
I know that People like Max love the Kameo system but I can't help but feel like casuals hate it. I also primarily view it as a way to work in characters that they know they'd never be able to finish but still keep them in the game so fans wouldn't be too disappointed, sort of like Assist Trophies from Smash.
Even then it still feels a bit of a slap in the face, like I know there will be people scoffing and saying "Who tha fuq wants to play as so and so" but knowing that there's at least a small amount of fans of certain characters I'd rather have be fully playable and not just some assist that pops up for a second.
As someone in the past year has taken immense leaps starting from a total casual to taking time to learn as much as i can. Mk is a game thats good for dumb fun. Even if the game is more complex than ever, more routes and moves and options, its always gonna appeal to audiences in the broad sense that mk does. Its fun to watch someone rip someone elses spine out. And they know this, if they didnt they wouldnt be adding omni man and peacemaker and ghost face. But to that end i feel like NRS was scared to fully make the leap in either direction. On the casual side theres no krypt, the invasion stuff gets boring fast, and if you really wanna hunker down and git gud, you learn pretty quick that a lot of the characters feel kind of flat in the long run. Which sucks because i really love the presentation to this game. It looks really fuckin cool. I sort of hope that for mk13 (mk1 2?) That they might pull something like tears of the kingdom, and just revamp and add shit to make a better experience as a whole.
MK1 will forever be memed for mentioning random family members that no one knows in their pre-fight dialogue lmao
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Ever since the modern era literally after the PS3 any of these fighting games now all suck because they’re never finished they always want to buy extra stuff extra characters and that’s why when games like this die. It makes me happy because five years from now. I’ll pick up this game, and I will enjoy it when it’s cheap
I only just bought this game last week to play Ghostface, and I can’t agree more on the notes about Kameos. Whole system feels weird, but nothing feels more strange than calling Stryker out to handcuff the opponent and then you just… stand there… and keep standing there… and can’t even close the gap on the other person before they’re free from the cuffs.
Mk1 ...felt fun to begin with but to me it felt obvious they were more rushed and had to concentrate on a few select things, fact it had a preorder character... and the Khaos dlc was expensive for what you got felt very Warner bros, MKX was my fav gameplay wise, Kameos were ok but I could never get excited about a Kameo character and the invasions were the most mind numbing thing i have seen in a long while
Yh same here. While I still have fun with this game, MKX is the most fun to me in terms of how characters play. As an example, Kenshi has always been my favourite MK character, but I think I prefer the way he is in MKX compared to MK1. Also, we didn't get any new original MK characters for MK1 for some reason?
Not gonna act like I know better than max, and ik the kameos are derivative of the idea of assists, but I feel going into that with that mentality, your gonna be disappointed. Kameos are built around having really strong moves that can either act as specials or ambushes, and if those super strong moves, like lao’s low hat, are just usable whenever as ambushes, then it becomes unfair, but with things like frost’s ice wall, those make sense to be ambushes, because those don’t make it unfun or unmanageable for the opponent. Now I know neither me or max’s opinions are gospel but I do think he’s wrong about the feel of the game, because things like both forward and back wavedashing, overall quick snappy and fun movement. Parrying feels more fleshed out, and upblock is a rlly nice addition, and air combos are sick. And I feel the story is going in an interesting direction with maybe a clan war and whatnot, though I feel there might be more stuff they expand upon in the future and whatnot.
I feel like we need a whole series reboot. No more timelines just pure to form start from the beginning again like mk9 and go from there. Kameos are definitely a cool idea but execution was fumbled. Bring back the original core roster all playable and maybe a few new ones and make it classic Mortal Kombat even if it feels like X2.0 without the interactables
When comparing mk1 to 11 there just feels like a substantial lack of substance and characther. Each entry has defining point and while yes the cameo system is cool. Does anyone talk about it? Mk11 had so many great changes that felt like a good step forward. This was a weird step to the side. But it makes me hopeful that they did this to further fund their next project!
MK11 was boring as hell too. 3 seconds for a throw animation that happens 10 times per match. 5 second animation for krushing blows that happen 8 times per match. 10 second animation for fatal blows that happen twice a match. And 20 seconds if a fatality happens. You're watch mini cut scenes more than fighting in that game. It doesn't feel good when the game keeps taking control away for little animations that are constantly happening.
People say Mk1 is bad but the only 2 negatives I see people talk about is Invasions and Kameos. Not gonna talk about the monetization as I’m talking from a gameplay perspective. I feel like MK11 was more worse because of multiple reasons. #1 It feels too slow. #2 The custom variant system. #3 Krushing Blows. #4 The meter system. All of these made the game unappealing to me. The crypt was great but also had some ugly requirements like the 50 fatalities on specific characters or something like that for some rewards.
My impression is that Mk11 was boring, and Mk1 was boring, but it feels like there was less shiny stuff that was boring in Mk1 than in Mk11, so it's like a lesser version of boring.
It's inexcusable that there is no room creating still in the game but they will sell you characters. They've been at this almost longer than anyone. Absurd.
As a casual player, I thought the Invasion and Kameo stuff were not fun.
MK11 was more fun casually despite me not enjoying the slower speed.
MKX was the last game I really enjoyed.
This right here.
I didn’t like mk1 at all, i only played the story, didn’t liked and just uninstalled.
The previous 3 mk were waaay better and prefer a tag team mode like in mk9. And of course the other mk were perfect for some casual fighting every now an then because of their adecuate storage size, instead of the whopping 150 gb of mk1.
did you try 9?
Casual here. I had way more fun on MK11 as well.
Why are Kameos not good for you as a casual just curious
The hardest thing for me to even try current mk games is knowing they have such a small shelf life.
Games like street fighter and Tekken last for years and improve from launch and retain a steady audience on and offline
I disagree with current mk games have a small shelf life
@@assassin8636people still play MKX to this day. Its only diehards left but still
Im still playing MKX everyday, its FUN.
@@assassin8636 It's pretty much have a small shelf life with how quick the next installment comes out.
Exactly. Tekken and SF are fighting games first. MK is a like a movie with a game attached as an after thought.
Max is spot on about the "brand new era" stuff just being bs, I was really excited about the idea of a brand new timeline with reimagined characters but they did not commit to it at all other than I guess Rain
Rain could have been a Donatello type of fighter but making him a sorcerer was lame
This. As for casual side of me that likes story mode in fighting game, this whole "new era" is really a big miss and wasted potential. The thought of Liu Kang literally created a whole new universe, dare I say has limitless potential of an idea they can executed, but instead no they literally just reboot the same storyline again. The 3D era characters return back just for the sake of them returning, that all. The main villain is Shang Tsung again. They could have gone for a new story, maybe like after Kronika was defeated, a brand new Titans emerge from the shadows to fight Liu Kang, and speaking of a Titan...ho boi how I hate they just treat the Titan merely as a "status" instead of actual race. Everyone is a Titan now. Is just dumb imo. They clearly branded that an Elder Gods is a child of a Titan, as a homage to Greek mythos. But now that idea is completely scrap. They could have take the opportunity to flesh out the Titans lore, who actually they are, what is their connection to the One Being. But nope, they decided to do some MCU multiverse war shit and slap everyone as a Titan because they thought it was cool.
@@valdovinosjonathan the downgrade Rain got from 11 to 1 is criminal
staff ruined Rain
Zest Mage rain is the worst reincarnation of a character I've ever seen. Making a classic fan favorite a moist magician was the tipping point for majority of MK fan
I like the 3 lines dialogs in MKX and MK11. Reduce them to only 2 in MK1 limited the interactions between the characters
I think they were trying to cater to this generation of ADHD gaming where people don’t have patience. Just get straight to the fighting. I like the 3 lines too.
I personally don’t like how they shortened the interactions, it’s too short to make a good mini convo
Mf this isn't even a fraction of an issue why mk 1 was underwhelming
@@XD_joker571 its a valid criticism regardless of the game's other issues. its a very lame downgrade
This is one of the first things I noticed that made me nervous about the game going forward. Cheaping out on such a small but valuable thing was not a good sign
High price tag, unfinished product, little to no customisation compared to mk11, not enough offline content compared to mk11, WB greediness and charging the DLC almost as the main game, Kameos are a hit and miss.
All the cool costumes cost 10$ that's what killed it for me
And an ungodly install size lol. 150gigs is some nonsense
Bottom line: just buy Street Fighter 6
@@3Guys1Videolame. I find Tekken to be way more enjoyable
Well there's all that, and then there's the fact that the gameplay is slow and unsatisfying. Probably yknow, the most important thing
Golden Sun soundtrack!? Whoa wasn't expecting that while watching a Max video
It's so good 🎵❤️🔊😁
Yea it’s good, idk why people hate it so much, y’all a bunch of old heads fr
GOLDEN SUN REFERENCED
Sauce for anyone who wants a listen: Track 05 - The Elemental Stars
You and me both, Doc!
I was literally just thinking that and scrolled down to see this as the top comment.
I have zero faith in MK2/13/whatever they're going to call it. Warner Bros will learn nothing from this and make the pushes they always make onto NRS and NRS is going to deliver something even weaker than what's been given here, _which is so incredibly weak already._
I would love to be wrong, but I keep being proven right and I fucking hate it.
Mortal Kombat: Call of Duty. Here's the next iterative high budget shovelware.
I hope the next game NRS are working on behind the scenes is Injustice 3; Not because I'm eager for a new Injustice game, but because in my opinion they should consider another publisher for the Mortal Kombat brand going forward.
we all love to ve prove wrong, i love to be wrong when i say silent hill 2 remake gonna be shit but its super good
Golden Sun music brings me back to that masterpiece.
havent played Golden Sun, thought it was from metroid prime for a sec ^^
@@herrbauman Play GS & GS The Lost Age, 2 of the best handheld RPGs ever made for real.
*KBash screaming in the distance*
NRS should learn from their mistakes and listen to their community. The mkplayerbase and casual audience wants the MK that is fun as MKX. Should've kept this formula and built on a legacy.
The only thing that made MKX fun was the run button speeding things up and allowing more creativity. It still had the same issues as every other NRS game with slow ass dial a combo and a bunch of pointless variations for each character nobody uses after the first week when they figure out which ones the best.
Listening to your community isn't always the best thing since we don't always know what we want and not everyone wants a game like MKX (there are people who think variations are a stupid idea).
NRS can't please everyone nor should they. They just need to make a game that plays well, has an entertaining story and doesn't make you pay over $100 to 200 to fully experience its content.
@@SecretLifeOfMcNallyummmm idk about that even the fighting combat was basically faster overall not just the running…. Attacks , jumps , dashes , all were faster. Even if they took the running out I’d still pick it over mk11 and mk1. Had high mixup potential, nice rush down. Didn’t have trash crushing blow mechanic or trash cameos so I don’t see the similarities.
@@Hinokami777the running was the best thing about mkx lmao stop coping. Run cancels led to godlike combos, all these beefy combos and strings you see done by pros are because of run cancels allowing for extensions. Like Liu Kang, Raiden, Sub, all had projectile cancel combos, I think even Scorpion.
@@Hinokami777without the run mechanic mkx would’ve been very similar to mk1 in terms of gameplay speed. Running allowed for combo extensions plus insane pressure
Golden Sun OST? True man of culture.
Agreed but it makes sense he’s a final fantasy fanatic
@@Hinokami777 He only likes FF7 actually, he doesn't edit his videos, so it was the editor who put the song in.
I played both games in the past but do you know which song this is, from the OSTs?
@ The song is called “Elemental Stars”
@@justsomeguy6336 Thank ya kindly, mang.
I wish they brought back mk9’s tag in matches where you pick 2 characters and swap between them
Yeah. That would’ve been better than kameos. A full tag mode, but still have 1v1
I love how Max stops the shilling as soon as the criticism becomes the popular opinion lol.
@ so he was basically scared before?
@@RFNY315 This guy/gal has been leaving comments on the last couple videos calling Max a "shill". Don't waste your time with them.
@@Noname15514100+ comments on this channel alone. Ik you’re a troll but genuinely touch some grass
I was kind of bummed with the story, it relied on too many scenes of people shooting energy at stuff. Multiverse burnout didn't help, either.
People hardly shoot energy things in the main story and the "multiverse burnout" for you ain't the game's fault. I guess a lot of stories are "bad" then cause they involve people shooting energy of some kind.
I play MK for the story and characters, and the entire reboot concept that doesn’t turn out to actually be a reboot and leans into the completely overdone multiverse bullshit made this the first MK I haven’t gotten since MK9.
@@MrMetalforever5 It's only Marvel, EEAOO did the multiverse angle and won an oscar, it comes down to writing and not having COVID/Strikes throw off everything
I mean it’s Mortal Kombat you should already expect characters shooting energy and powers
@@chrange9714The multiverse burnout is definitely the games fault, it's one of the biggest criticisms of the story, everything was new and fresh until the multuverse stuff was added. People just wanted a simpler, more grounded story, that's what the timeline reboot was for, and only a few chapters later we're back to the timeline crap. The burnout is real because so many stories have multiverse bs amd NRS failed to be original and just copied what others did.
The online issues make it sound like Max is talking about a pre-pandemic japanese fighting game, not MK1.
God...MKX was so damn fun.
FUN, exactly.
you spelled BROKEN wrong
@@ottosantiagolassus broken and fun are not mutually exclusive
@@Aramanehe ain't wrong tho. Some characters in mkx were batshit insane😂
💯% FACTS !!!
5:30 I do totally agree that they should let you update the background screen and music. For example Tekken’s music gets me hyped up to fucking FIGHT. But MK1’s is kinda boring until that Chinese instrument part plays for like 5 seconds.
Guess what game had this….. mortal kombat X😅
NRS fighting games have the most forgettable music in modern fighting games except when it's a remix of a Dan Forden track.
Even MVCI had more memorable tracks.
I love how Max stops the shilling as soon as the criticism becomes the popular opinion lol.
@@DarkOverlord96 jedah theme went hard in that game
@@Noname15514he’s always said this shit about mk1 ? What do you mean brother
You know it's bad when there's more positive comments about Max's Golden Sun music than about MK1
They need to cut ties with WB even if it means no more rights to many guests they wanted.
WB just destroy everything they touch with their greed.
Street fighter and Tekken make a game and support it for years, give meaningful patch notes to make the game last.
Ever since MK1 launched it's been cash grab after cash grab and it's simply unacceptable.
50$ for a DLC that's just a meaningless story expansion with no substance and a kombat pack( that doesn't even have Kameos in it which is scummy AF).
The issue with this game are mainly not even gameplay related, it's cause they rushed and took away modes everyone loved.
In the next MK game they need to bring back conquest mode, the Krypt, have fckin training mode while searching for matches and most importantly stop scamming people.
The 10$ fatalities, announcer voices and skins, the overpriced DLC, Scandal after scandal after scandal no wonder your game dies.
And another issue is that the balancing team has been terrifyingly incompetent.
Nearly A year and a half after launch and Sindel is still top 3 as she's been since day 1.
Homelander was unmatched for over 6 months.
Sub Zero received nearly 0 buffs since launch.
Ferra is still annoyingly broken.
They need to fire the balancing team and send them packing.
You can't have a successful fighting game where you've got an unfair meta, a stale meta that never changes, braindead strats being viable at the highest level( scorpion ferra, sindel lao and sindel tremor, homelander ferra, Reiko, scorpion jax).
It's just a shame cause this game gameplay wise at least for me is way more fun than MKX.
They've found a nice balance between broken and toned down mk11.
I think the kameo system had so much potential but they just don't know or don't care enough to buff any kameo in the game.
If that's how they deal assists I don't ever wanna see an assist fighter from them again
One thing I love about Max is that he can break down a lot of the talk and makes it feels understandable about why a game just isn't working all that well. He can articulate to someone like me why a game works, why it doesn't and what can be done. It feels like a conversation and hence why he is the only one I go to about "state of the game" stuff because he keeps it chill without being full of bluster about the situation
i agree his perspective always hits
I love how Max stops the shilling as soon as the criticism becomes the popular opinion lol.
@@Noname15514 *blinks, glances at Max's criticisms of the game from launch day which are more or less close to what he said here.
Well okay then.
@@TheShuuman Stop trolling.
@@Noname15514dumbass🤣🤣, dude saw this video and thinks it's the first time he says these things....
Still think a tag fighter with assists would've been way cooler
I think what they did here was better, cause with a tag fighter that would require every assist character to have their own move set. That’s just unreasonable
@@rockycuro7737 But on the other hand, that is exactly why the Kameo system feels underbaked (because it's the cheapest / least amount of effort they could do to bring more characters.)
So in the pursuit of cutting corners they ended up with product that feels like it's corners were cut.
@ I mean, it’s because of that system that allows us to see these characters again without needing them to be playable. Isn’t that better than waiting to all those characters to be dlc? Like, how else would we be playing alongside mavado or motaro or Goro or ferra or whoever else? You’d either have to make them fit with the story to work with the fighters, or wait for them to be dlc and somehow work them into the events of the game. But with the kameo system you don’t have to do that. You can bring back obscure characters nobody remembers, you can have motaro return for the first time since mk3, you can have mokap or Stryker or khameleon back in action again.
@@rockycuro7737 I think the implication that neutralguy is making is that you would simply have the main roster as assists and tag partners, instead of having characters that are strictly for assists
@ man unless every kameo character was main roster and had their own movelist, it wouldn’t work with the characters already on the roster. Having them tag in and being forced to do the tag fighting the whole time would’ve just been so bad
Practice mode while waiting for ranked is a must.
It takes 30 seconds or less to find a fight...lol
The most basic of fucking features
@@roof1975lol i had to wait for 15 minutes to find a match in kasual today
@@roof1975 get off the galaxy gas
To me the biggest problem MK1 suffers from is one that started in MK11 and that is the atmosphere is not what you expect from an MK game. The gameplay is a clear step up from MK11 but not at the same level of fun as MK9/MKX and I think the combos take way too long. When your combos begin to exceed 3-5 seconds of IRL time on every interaction then something has to be done here.
Personally, I dislike paying 70 dollars for the game and not having half the roster because it's all dlc. Kind of...done with fighting games. Love to play love to watch but hate to own it.
This has been a huge problem for years now unfortunately with fighting games. It’s why I stopped buying them at launch cause they just want to monetize everything as DLC instead of giving a great roster at launch.
Why dont they just make a new MK9 MKX style game, new graphics, more characters, dont change format just expand on what works
This is what I'm waiting for....been waiting
Because MK's sales are carried entirely by novelty and not quality. Casuals don't care if the game is MKX but better, they care if Elmo and Micheal Myers are playable. If you can't put it in a thumbnail, the suits do not care.
Sadly that depends if WB will allow them to.
You this stuff is easy from the get go? No it's not
@@jays.6843MK has been riding on “Your dad’s fighting game he played in the arcades in the 80’s” why do you think they keep adding old 80’s action stars and famous characters? That’s all they have
As someone who despises MK11, i have to say it was overall a way better package.
I love MK1's gameplay, i dont mind the kameo posing stuff, it helped me figure out some of the moves better before I got into the ambush attacks. But so much of the game just suffers from what is clearly Warner Bros' dirty fingers mucking around in every part of the game outside of its gameplay.
It breaks my heart knowing WB is likely gonna pull the plug instead of trying to pull the players back in. The simple fact is that every patch has made this game better and yet we're forced into the same Mortal Kombat dev cycle. A year or so of support then dropped. Only this time it feels like it was dropped before they had the chance to make it even better.
It also sucks that yet again, i dont get Kabal in a game that i REALLY enjoy playing. Never got him in X and I'll never get him in 1. I'm stuck with him in 9, which is fun enough but I never quite figured out. And i get him in 11, which i actively dislike playing
Kameo system killed the game day 1 for me.
Tag would have being fun.
As a pro player and a console player , we find matches fast asf but I understand what u mean I wish it was like Tekken in a way let us practice while waiting for a match
I remember playing 5+ hours with my buddies on mkx and having a blast. I haven’t felt that with a mk game since then
With Street Fighter V Capcom didn't really have a choice other than sticking to it and hoping someday it paid off
Im actually a big fan of Kameos. However Max nailed it, they can kind of be unintuitive and jank. Not to mention the ones that make you stop and pose. They really seemed to restrict a play feature that was supposed to be a huge part of the game.
Mk11 art style with MK9/X mechanics = winning formula for both diehards and casuals
Mk1 art style feels better and closer to irl. Just look at the background stages the details are insane
@hehehehaw8346 respectfully, just because an art style looks closer to real life and is more detailed doesn't instantly mean it's better. There's also more to an art style than graphics alone. I'm referring to the tone more than anything else anyways.
The franchise has always had a rather dark element to it. That's been evident in character and level design. MK1 however, shifted to more vibrant colors and more elaborate details that feels rather foreign and out of place for the franchise (yes, even with its more detailed and higher rez blood and gore 😅). Less can at times mean more.
And that's not to say we need to cut back on pixels, per se. I just think we need to revisit the more familiar darker visual undertones.
@rmj7 mk9/x have no mechanics. Mkx has a Run button. Other than that they're typical bone basic fighters, but with nrs jank, floaty jumps, slow normals, dull ass dial a combo...
@@rmj7 You are right, I think the best visual style is still MK2, not so dark nor so bright, in perfect balance
MK1 art style is garbage and will age like milk. That's why INJUSTICE 2 MK9 MK11 looks better than mk1 and aged very well.
I'll say this forever MK1 feels like a game that should've been made during that MK9 Era. I will never understand how we gone through similar variations of the tag system MK1 has but it still feels incomplete
Wtf does that even mean? You're saying nothing and have the most thumbs up on this video.
Mk just needs better gameplay, flat out. Street Fighter doesn't have towers and crypts and all this other shit, it just has good gameplay and some basic extra modes.
Mk needs to make the run button a serious staple to deal with every entry feeling slow.
They need to ditch dial a combo and go back to something more satisfying like chains in mk3. With Dial a combo you input your string and wait while every move finishes animating. It's not snappy. With chains like mk3, each animation is canceled out by the next button press, making things happen immediately. Its fast and you feel more in control. It's SATISFYING.
Mk9 had the same issue, people were just blinded by the Nostalgia of the roster and story and it going back to 2d. Every nrs game has the same problems and people are slowly getting tired of it.
MKX was okay, because it was fast and had Run, that's why it's everybody's favorite of the nrs games. But it still had boring ass dial a combos.
Make Run a series staple and fix dial a combo where it's not so damn slow feeling.
@@SecretLifeOfMcNallybro kinda right ^
This quite literally makes no sense
@SecretLifeOfMcNally Translation: MK1 still feels like a test/incomplete game and should've been released during an earlier age around MK9 as either an update or later game before MKX. MK11 and MKX feel like more complete games, while 1 could still be considered early access of all the features it's missing.
@ViewtifulOtaku7 Or just release good games with good gameplay from the start. "This game feels unfinished, so it would have made more sense if it came out when mk9 did" What?
NRS has literally never supported a game more than 2 years ever. All this shit max says like it has a lot of potential to get better is BS because NRS doesn't support their games long enough to improve them. No NRS game ever got a new mechanic added to spice things up. Just more story and character stuff because they can charge for it, but can't charge for a mechanic update.
If you're only gonna support your game for a year and a half, you better make sure you release it in a good state.
When I saw the trailer and saw how long it will take to be released which was like 3 months, I feared this would be the future of the game. NRS really should’ve spent more time on the development of this game…
I was hoping MK1 was going to be over the 1st tournament with The Great Kung Lao and GORO with new characters and the tag team mode from mk9
That Golden Sun theme at the beginning literally made me want to play that game for the 15th time again
This discussion is ten times better just for the Golden Sun background music
Honestly liked MK1 but yeah it’s a dead game now, can’t wait for the next one to be supported for 5 weeks before it’s shut down
😂😂😂
It's not a dead game
@@assassin8636if it’s not dead then it’s dying because nothing about the current state of mortal kombat 1 is really seen as positive
@@jico5147tbf majority of the player base for MK is console on PC steam players count is low but u cant really check that for console
@ With no more content on the horizon it might aswell be.
WB needs to learn that you kill off any community when you nope out of your GAS titles preemptively just because they aren’t bringing in the dough.
Whoever makes these calls at WB has the IQ of a subterminal amoeba.
MKX was the best! so many hours in that game. I wish they just continued with that type of gameplay.
Most NRS games feel like WB abandoned them 1-2 patches before they should have.
Happy thanksgiving everyone
Happy thanksgiving to you!
Same to you
No thanks colonizer
I wish they kept the three line interactions like from X and 11, because they’re enjoyable, and tell us some stuff on what happened to other characters.
While I don’t mind the Kameos, but I kinda wish NRS would try Kombo Fatalities with the Main Kombatants, because that would be an interesting feature.
But one thing I really like about MK1, is the brand new story it gives us, fresh new ideas, and not following the same stuff from the previous games. Though I do miss Shao Kahn being the Major Villain, since he’s such a big threat, even Gods fear him. But, oh well, when in Rome.
I love how Max stops the shilling as soon as the criticism becomes the popular opinion lol.
I remember an interview had Ed Boon say the kameo system began conceptually as just tailored to each character instead of a separate roster. I think in hindsight, it would have been better.
That's weird cuz I play plenty of ranked matches online in MK1. That problem happens to me when playing Jojos all star battle R
It’s sad despite how huge MK is culturally it’s one of the least supported fighting game franchises long term. All NRS games in general tbh. I get that it’s mainly a WB issue but these games genuinely feel like the cod of fighting games. Very little changes between games while also feeling underbaked having to wait over a year to finally get to a point where the game is somewhat fun.
I just hate the live service route they went to unlock customization. Grinding seasonal towers and FOMO shops in my 60+ dollar game feels bad
Game development issues aside, I really wish MK stuck to what made it unique. They used to push the envelope for what you could put in a video game but MK1 seems to be the “safest” entry the series has ever had. I wish they would go back to taking risks with their story and character design. The game looks amazing yet it feels so bland. I want bat shit insane characters that are badass doing fucked up things all while being present in a competitively balanced fighting game.
They had the formula with MKX when they introduced variations. Then 11 comes around and most moves for characters were prohibited therefore tuning down the game which sucked. Now we’re stuck with MK1 and the god awful cameo system that could’ve been good yet failed hard. It’s like the saying goes, if it’s not broken don’t fix it. Hopefully the next game they give us is thoughtfully planned out or else it’s back to the drawing board for NRS.
But Kameo system is effectively "variations."
Casual player here, I'm still playing it, because I like the idea of collecting stuff and I also enjoy a lot of things in the game but it is INCREDIBLY faulty and raw, I do not even come close to the Kombat League because it takes too much time and it is dull (you can't even swap your main character between matches) and the WORST is that they keep rewarding us with Golden Koins that are useless because the Shrine is PERMANENTLY closed in order to force us to keep farming seasonal koins (silver ones). The constant rewarding of useless golden koins is also a constant reminder that they do not give a shit. Cheers, man!
I enjoyed Mortal Kombat 1 casually so it's disappointing to hear support for the game is ending. But speaking of games getting cut short, I miss Golden Sun so, so much.
God, do I miss Golden Sun..
Definitely agree with you with things feeling same-y with regards to characters and the story. The only things that truly felt new were Reptile and Baraka being good guys, which was awesome! But then it goes to the multiverse stuff and repeating story beats (kenshi goes blind, sub becomes noob, etc.)
Very much appreciate the Thanksgiving Day drop!
"You're looking at the waiting for ranked matched screen" This is exactly what killed soul calibur 6 for me. I wanted to play that game, but I did not want to wait for 3 minutes to get into a match on launch day
Kameo system was a terrible idea. Any character you want to play feels incomplete because there needs to be a purpose to pair a Kameo with them. Then if the best Kameo to pair them with is one you don’t like, then suddenly you’re not as excited to play your favorite character anymore.
Woah my mind actually broke a little when I heard the Golden Sun soundtrack on a Max video about MK. I'm not even kidding, it was like two completely separate parts of my being suddenly _collided_ in my head. Took me a few seconds to recover.
No matter what happens with MK1, they will never make me appreciate MK11 (beyond the graphics).
People threw on the nostalgia goggles so quick for that piece of trash game it’s crazy
Yeah it’s still worst to me. Even slower. Dumb mechanics that cater to noobs. Trash roster
MK 11 is just the worst, it made me hate playing a MK game
@@TheJALT2lmao exactly I hate it. It’s like they got a taste of boogers , then said they miss the taste of poop
Mk11 is the worst of the series
mk1 was heading in the right direction when it came to the gameplay and characters getting the right buffs and nerfs soo i hope they keep supporting the game!!! some people dont enjoy the game and some do enjoy it and dats fair analysis, it happens wit all games
I’ve mainly been playing mk1 offline practicing combos and fighting locals. So I’ve never really understood the criticism from a gameplay standpoint. I’ve loved the gameplay of it. But Hearing Max’s take on mk1 and the various online problems finally makes the criticism makes sense to me. I finally understand the gripes people have, but I’m having fun with it at the very least. (Mainly because I don’t have to deal with the issues lmao)
Tekken always was good kerping a pace online feeling like "next match go go go play more immediately!"
Games monetization and rollout were utterly terrible so it turned people off. If I had nickel for every time I heard that story on the game industry now.
We need Content Creators who dont bs or fall into the sheep/yes man mentality when they get early access to a game. That couldve saved alot of people $60+ and probaly got NRS focused sooner on the next game fully
If you ever want to nerf a feature in a way that tangibly feels worse out of fear that it's unbalanced, you are probably making a mistake unless it's especially egregious.
My biggest issue with MK1 is the input system for Kamos. For example: I can use Mavado. In a middle of a juggle combo, I have to press the Kamo button and a directional button. That is simple on paper but when you are doing combos that require tight movement and button presses and then try to press an alternate combination of buttons for the Kamo and continue my complex combo. It results with 10% of the time things connecting and 90% of the time in Kombat league (an arguably high intense mode to rank up). If it was a simple Kamo button press without the directional part, I would be so much happier. However, due to this issue, I find myself using VERY easy kamos that leads to the same type of gameplay over and over and over. I wish it was different so I could love it as much as I want too.
MK 1 is great as a fighting game.
But the whole package, content, micro-transactions made it worst than it truly is.
People are complaining about things they wanted but wouldnt use, just because its not in the game.
Max - "I love these characters, they're all really fun"
Max 1 minute earlier - "I never clicked with a single character in this game, I didn't really have fun with anybody"
Also Max - "The game is really good"
Max 1 minute later -"Everytime I go online to play I'm reminded how bad this game is".
Bro. Stop sugarcoating shit and just be genuine. Ed boon won't be mad at you for being honest.
He is being genuine. He likes the characters, but can't click with them. He thinks the game could have been and can be good, but is ruined often.
@bruuuuuuuuhhhh How can he think the game is quote "really good" if he quote "didn't click with a single character and didn't really enjoy playing as anybody"?
He contradicts himself every minute of the video. The game feels really bad but it's also really good but it has a ton of obvious problems but it's really fun but everytime I go online I remember how bad this game is... All direct quotes from the first like 3 minutes of this video.
@SecretLifeOfMcNally sometimes people have a hard time stringing their thoughts together. No need to accuse him of being a shill or dishonest
@@SecretLifeOfMcNally You can acknowledge that you think something is good while also acknowledging that it wasn't for you specifically, the two are not mutually exclusive.
It's like if someone praised the gameplay and feel of Elden Ring or Sekiro while also saying they couldn't get behind the "rhythm" of the game's combat. Doesn't magically make the first remark about the games quality null and void, it shows a more personal opinion relative to a broader observation of the game.
@@SecretLifeOfMcNallythe best example is saying you’re a big fan of this character and you’re excited that these characters are back/here to play but their style of gameplay doesn’t feel good to you.
I personally love the game having summon/ambush moves for assists. If everything is an ambush, it would be a joke to play.
isn't that what sells assist fighters anyway? people love MVC and that whole series is a constant stroke on screen.
At this point a Tobias and Ed boon classic made MK wont bring me back. I'm so unbelievably checked out with WB. God I hated Kameos and Invasions.
Agree. MK is dead, to me.
😂😂😂 I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT HATES THAT KAMEO CRAP!
And what do you hate exactly with kameos?
I don't think MK 11 is the best game, but it's significantly better than this.
max speaking volumes about the matchmaking, if i have to spend 5 minutes between matches doing nothing but navigating menus to flip a coin on wheather its a ahitty connection or not really killed my enthusiasm for the game
I felt that there wasn't enough choice aswel and characters feel weak now because you need kameo to be strong .like scorpion only being broken with ferra or he's trash i hate that feeling specially when i wont to play scorpion
Yeah... that is a problem with NRS' balance design in my opinion, they are always handicapping everyone and cutting off their wings, for the sake of "balance" (which they never really achieve). Meanwhile other fighting games are letting characters go crazy, having power creep but trying to deal with it, and in those games assists simply let characters go even more crazy, rather than allowing them to function as they should by default.
Never been an MK fan. I never could get on with a block button since the OG MK1 MK2 days
They jumped the shark after MKX. MK11 was trash. MK1 is already uninstalled off of the hard drives of everyone I know.
Meanwhile MK9 and MKX still see a lot of love. MK9 was my favourite but I really liked some of the new characters and their variations in MKX.
MKX gameplay and atmosphere (aand stage interactions) + MK11 production values and content (and Krushing Blows) + MK1 assist as co-op tag + ten or more special attacks per character - "Variations" or "custom abilities" = as good as it could get with what we've seen NRS can do, and the _only_ formula that could save the franchise (if it hasn't already be relegated to a decade or more long stasis).
Max, you spent half the video literally calling the game a pile of shit. "Icing on a cake of shit," and how the kameo system is bad, the gameplay doesn't feel right, none of the characters work for you, how playing the game feels like a chore, and how every part of the game feels like a step backwards...then, you say it's a really good game.
I know you try to stay positive, and try to find the good in everything, but just be honest. Because, it sounds like you care more about not burning any bridges rather than just being honest with your audience. If almost every aspect of the game is bad...just say it's a bad game and be done with it.
Feels like MvC Infinite all over again
Something I've noted about Kameos; it feels like every character is restrained in order for the Kameos to work. Like, your character cannot do huge combos without Kameos jumping in, and usually the Kameo you need to extend comfortably is a DLC one.
Let’s be honest. We want the MKX formula back
No, just no.
i liked the idea for the clash at the beginning of the game to replace the loading screen but the idea being used on a bad game is so sad to me
As a lifelong MK fan I look at MK1 and I don't see a Mortal Kombat game.
That isn't Scorpion, that isn't Cyrax, that isn't Mileena, that isn't Sektor, that isn't Havik. That isn't Liu Kang. That isn't Shao Khan..
In a game with such iconic characters, these things matter to some of us.
The cameo system is an absurdly lazy attempt to squeeze more characters in without making them fully playable.
Not to mention, you get us close to characters like Cassie and Jackie and then just erase them with a new timeline, and you do it so passively that it isn't ever even spoken of. They're just gone.
MK1 is not a Mortal Kombat game. It's something else with a MK skin and barely even that.
A bit of a recurring problem of NRS is that they make very good looking fighting games with solid mechanics, but are just not fun to play due to other factors. Injustice 2, MK11, MK1, its 3 flops in a row. Granted having to push the game forward by WB mandate has hurt MK1 a lot, but in my opinion not all of the blame can be placed on WB here. You have been in the industry for a long time and you know the fundamentals of what makes a good fighting game. Not having all of those fundamentals in order from the beginning to build your game upon is the responsibility of NRS.
I know that People like Max love the Kameo system but I can't help but feel like casuals hate it. I also primarily view it as a way to work in characters that they know they'd never be able to finish but still keep them in the game so fans wouldn't be too disappointed, sort of like Assist Trophies from Smash.
Max literally starts the video stating why he doesn't like the Kameo system
Clearly you didnt watch the video...
Even then it still feels a bit of a slap in the face, like I know there will be people scoffing and saying "Who tha fuq wants to play as so and so" but knowing that there's at least a small amount of fans of certain characters I'd rather have be fully playable and not just some assist that pops up for a second.
Yeah put me off buying the game tbh breaks immersion loved mk11
@headshot217 I enjoyed mk11 and it's combat options and variations. Mk1 you are watching the same skill sets over and over.
As someone in the past year has taken immense leaps starting from a total casual to taking time to learn as much as i can. Mk is a game thats good for dumb fun. Even if the game is more complex than ever, more routes and moves and options, its always gonna appeal to audiences in the broad sense that mk does. Its fun to watch someone rip someone elses spine out. And they know this, if they didnt they wouldnt be adding omni man and peacemaker and ghost face. But to that end i feel like NRS was scared to fully make the leap in either direction. On the casual side theres no krypt, the invasion stuff gets boring fast, and if you really wanna hunker down and git gud, you learn pretty quick that a lot of the characters feel kind of flat in the long run. Which sucks because i really love the presentation to this game. It looks really fuckin cool. I sort of hope that for mk13 (mk1 2?) That they might pull something like tears of the kingdom, and just revamp and add shit to make a better experience as a whole.
I really like MkX cos it fast pace
MK1 will forever be memed for mentioning random family members that no one knows in their pre-fight dialogue lmao
Ever since the modern era literally after the PS3 any of these fighting games now all suck because they’re never finished they always want to buy extra stuff extra characters and that’s why when games like this die. It makes me happy because five years from now. I’ll pick up this game, and I will enjoy it when it’s cheap
I stopped listening when I noticed Golden Sun OST in the background 😂
Facts
I only just bought this game last week to play Ghostface, and I can’t agree more on the notes about Kameos. Whole system feels weird, but nothing feels more strange than calling Stryker out to handcuff the opponent and then you just… stand there… and keep standing there… and can’t even close the gap on the other person before they’re free from the cuffs.
Mk1 ...felt fun to begin with but to me it felt obvious they were more rushed and had to concentrate on a few select things, fact it had a preorder character... and the Khaos dlc was expensive for what you got felt very Warner bros, MKX was my fav gameplay wise, Kameos were ok but I could never get excited about a Kameo character and the invasions were the most mind numbing thing i have seen in a long while
Yh same here. While I still have fun with this game, MKX is the most fun to me in terms of how characters play. As an example, Kenshi has always been my favourite MK character, but I think I prefer the way he is in MKX compared to MK1. Also, we didn't get any new original MK characters for MK1 for some reason?
Could a no kameo mode do anything to help those who aren’t into it?
$50 for DLC is a GD rip-off TBH...
Hate the price as well, but by definition it’s not a rip-off…
BRUH IS THAT THE LEMURIA LIGHTHOUSE OST FROM GOLDEN SUN?! As if you couldn't get any f***ing cooler, you magnificent bastard! 😍😍😍
Not gonna act like I know better than max, and ik the kameos are derivative of the idea of assists, but I feel going into that with that mentality, your gonna be disappointed. Kameos are built around having really strong moves that can either act as specials or ambushes, and if those super strong moves, like lao’s low hat, are just usable whenever as ambushes, then it becomes unfair, but with things like frost’s ice wall, those make sense to be ambushes, because those don’t make it unfun or unmanageable for the opponent. Now I know neither me or max’s opinions are gospel but I do think he’s wrong about the feel of the game, because things like both forward and back wavedashing, overall quick snappy and fun movement. Parrying feels more fleshed out, and upblock is a rlly nice addition, and air combos are sick. And I feel the story is going in an interesting direction with maybe a clan war and whatnot, though I feel there might be more stuff they expand upon in the future and whatnot.
I feel like we need a whole series reboot. No more timelines just pure to form start from the beginning again like mk9 and go from there. Kameos are definitely a cool idea but execution was fumbled. Bring back the original core roster all playable and maybe a few new ones and make it classic Mortal Kombat even if it feels like X2.0 without the interactables
Kudos to whoever put Golden Sun music in the background of this video 🫡
How come no one talks about the delay that MK always has? Putting the inputs in before the actual combo is finished..
I want them to keep the cosmetics that mk11 had. The dialog the intros endings customization the fatalities were all so much better.
Glad to see im bot the only person here caught odf gaurd by the golden sun music
Didnt expect golden sun music, but is very welcome
MK9 is still my favorite. I miss that game.
I loved MK9 . My favorite from the franchise. Have so much memories with MK9.
When comparing mk1 to 11 there just feels like a substantial lack of substance and characther. Each entry has defining point and while yes the cameo system is cool. Does anyone talk about it? Mk11 had so many great changes that felt like a good step forward. This was a weird step to the side. But it makes me hopeful that they did this to further fund their next project!
MK11 was boring as hell too.
3 seconds for a throw animation that happens 10 times per match.
5 second animation for krushing blows that happen 8 times per match.
10 second animation for fatal blows that happen twice a match.
And 20 seconds if a fatality happens.
You're watch mini cut scenes more than fighting in that game. It doesn't feel good when the game keeps taking control away for little animations that are constantly happening.
People say Mk1 is bad but the only 2 negatives I see people talk about is Invasions and Kameos. Not gonna talk about the monetization as I’m talking from a gameplay perspective. I feel like MK11 was more worse because of multiple reasons. #1 It feels too slow. #2 The custom variant system. #3 Krushing Blows. #4 The meter system. All of these made the game unappealing to me. The crypt was great but also had some ugly requirements like the 50 fatalities on specific characters or something like that for some rewards.
Oh yes, MK11 is a good step forward with its break away system and the combo dropping festival.
My impression is that Mk11 was boring, and Mk1 was boring, but it feels like there was less shiny stuff that was boring in Mk1 than in Mk11, so it's like a lesser version of boring.
It's inexcusable that there is no room creating still in the game but they will sell you characters. They've been at this almost longer than anyone. Absurd.
They need to remaster Mortal Kombat Trilogy in 4K that’s all we need
ABSOLUTELY!!!!