dont worry the whole time he is doing math he is comparing the value of one point and that is totally moot becuase rain of fire is terrible and the actual math that mattters is the reduced damage not the value of the skillpoint
@@user-vm7bx1bq4s the actual math that matter is the one of the value of the skillpoint actually. Let's say you are playing an Archmage and uou just hit level 4, you already have lvl 2 water elemental and lvl 1 brilliance aura. at level 4 you can only choose between lvl 2 brilliance aura or lvl 1 blizzard. You can't compare the whole value of lvl 2 aura to the value provided by lvl 1 blizzard, because even if you picked blizzard, you still have your lvl 1 aura value. That's why you only compare wether an added lvl 2 value to brilliance aura is better than blizzard or not. not the whole ability. And the same goes for Pit lord, you have lvl 2 cleave and lvl 1 howl, you hit lvl 4 and you need to calculate wether you will get more value from having lvl 1 rain of fire and lvl 1 howl, or just lvl 2 howl. That's why you count relative values and not the avsolute ones in RTS games
@@krzysztofputerko1943 rain of fire is a zero skill so NO its exactly like I said. there is no other way to put a fourth skill point except to throw it in the garbage and it wouldnt matter how efficient the gain of level 2 is compared to one becuase it is leagues above the other skill and is actually usefull. the fact u use a other hero as a example proves u cant fking read
That format is new best thing on your channel. Tier lists were great, but you can do very finite quantity of it. This hero spotlight series are good substitution for me.
Bloodmage next - lots of interesting discussion points around Banish - how to use it to creep, using it on enemy dps hero, using it on your own vulnerable hero, using it as part of a nuke vs UD etc all with 0 cd. Also the mana siphon has lots of uses, Phoenix is one of the coolest ults in the game, and Flamestrike is a firm favourite for the 4v4 worker destruction cheese. Also, he's cool as fuck and has a great BAT.
I love the fact that you're considering your youtube audience and not only your chat during your stream It reminds a bit of the old youtube before twitch arrived Juste a little "Hey youtube what's up" is always cool, thank's Grubby love your content ❤
You know I was thinking to myself. Why does this scratch a particular itch? What have I been missing that these kinds of things fill? And then it hit me. This feeling is what I used to get from reading game manuals. When I was a kid. I had tons of console games from the '90s and I used to always get in a really hot bath with a stack of maybe 15 or 16 game manuals or guides and I would just drink coke and go through all the manuals page by page. This is great.
Kids in the modern times revel in this pleasure by reading wiki pages of games. Fandom might not be great, but other wikis keep the same spirit as Wikipedia. GameFAQs comes to mind, too.
Pit Lord is one of the best makeshift 3rd heroes. His Howl of Terror is a 30% damage debuff against non magic immune units and its duration is longer than its cooldown.
As a long-time Azgalor-first enjoyer, it's good to see that you're finally highlighting the only true S-tier hero in the game. In all seriousness, I think the pit lord is among the best heroes for low elo play because he's incredibly tanky, which protects you from your own bad micro, and cleave absolutely wrecks a poorly-microed opposing army.
interesting to read the turn rate guide, shows once again how polished this engine is. Maybe some of the confusion comes there being two turn rates, an actual and a visual, like you notice sometimes how a unit hits attacks before it actually turned all the way towards its target. The guide talks about the visual in equally important terms, though for our purposes actual turn rate is what matters.
Pitlord! my favorite hero. A real shame its not a playable hero in hots. The coil + unholyfrenzy pitlord combo is such a nice strategy. I dont know if this is good, but making a later altar you can get more units, then get tavern hero as you walk over map.
"Lacks fienesse", is somewhat lore accurate, the pit Lord being a reckless destroyer and all. But at the same time, he does posses SOME cunning, such as spilling his blood into the fountain for the orcs to drink and fall under his influence. However, Mannaroth needed Tichondrius for that to happen.
Plus ... You can counter Pit Lord by delaying your upgrades. :) The more attack you have, the more powerful Howl of Terror is. The more armor you have, the more is ignored by Cleave, Rain of Fire and Doom. I'd say the best counter to him as a race is Night Elves. They rarely engage in melee except with tanky units and are also great at kiting. All the other races can counter him, but are forced to play certain strats like having casters or high pop melee units or mass range. This means overall, Pit Lord and almost all casters go really well together. He can make unusual units stand out like Wyverns whete he reduces enemy damage, they prevent enemy from kiting the Pit Lord while kiting themselves.
i am amazed and intrigued about all the flexible uses that the pit lord has. i am going to try that DK/Fiend/Pit tactic right now, sounds fun and versatile af :D
I don't play Warcraft 3; the last time I played was a decade ago, me and my bro fighting AI, but I love watching pros go at it and these videos is just fun
Glad the Death Coil tech got mentioned; this boy is CHONKY when you've got Death Coil I haven't played this game in forever and immediately thought "DK/PL, Necromancer Unholy Frenzy timing push" and then you mentioned it lol. Not sure which 3rd hero to take though.
Shadow hunter. Specifically if there is any redemption for his big bad voodoo. (Like spirit link, or healing wards by him to offset enemy targeting, invuln potion, give him survival items/ alloftheabove etc.)
5:08 The labels on the back Paladins are backwards: the top Paladin has the lowest (8) armor and the lower Paladin has the highest (20) armor. This ironically reinforces the idea that the ability deals the same damage regardless of the target's armor xD
I have had this idea that hero-applied debuffs such as Howl of Terror should be undispellable (like Acid Bomb and Thunder Clap). Imagine Pit Lord third taken for a support role. Negating the entire spell with dispels feels so cheap, and it's not summons which would do need counterplay. - Adûnâi
Pit Lord seems due for some patching: 1. Move Rain of Fire ability to Firelord, and move Firelord's Soul Burn ability to Pit Lord. Both abilities thus exchanged will be more thematically fitting and work somewhat better. 2. Fix bugged nature of Cleaving Attack that lets it ignore armor of secondary targets. 3. Allow Cleaving Attack to transmit through an Orb, but let it only work on air units if a unit in the air was the primary target, and only work on ground units if a unit on the ground was the primary target.
@@ZugzugZugzugson A combination of nerfs and buffs. Fixing the Cleaving Attack bug is a nerf, but letting it transmiit through an Orb to work on air is a big buff. And Pit Lord doesn't usually get very good use of Rain of Fire (and even in the exceptions, it interferes with Cleaving Attack).
I kinda feel like a trick that you didn't mention is focus firing an enemy thats in an advantageous position alongside casting doom and basically insta spawning a unit with warstomp. With good target selection and timing you can shift the entire battle landscape with a surprise doom guard. Obviously this can be countered with fast reaction healing/zepplins, but if you have like a lich or something and have enough dps to 1 shot an enemy unit it can be very powerful.
Wild idea: what if Mountain Giants could have an ability like pitlords howl with higher percentages, combined with some effect of taking damage from other units, like the spirit bond (is that the name for Tauren mages skill? I didn't play the game for 15 years) instead of a taunt. Perhaps it can be coded.
I rly look foward to Brewmaster's spotlight. Because i have no idea when to build towards each of his basic skills, and if i iirc i think i've seen Grubby take different combinations.
I would love for you to go over different mercenaries from mercenary camps and from laboratory and explain why and when they are used. I find that part of the game quite complicated for a casual viewer.
Imagine turning like closing a window (I'm using a window as an example to illustrate the point and also to showcase there is a limit to this value, you cannot close a window beyond the frame and also you cannot smash it shut in this scenario). Your turn rate is the vertical height of your window and you close it from top to bottom. A smaller window gets closed relatively faster than a bigger window if we use the same speed everytime we close one. That's it. I guess these rules were designed to avoid having models doing an instant 180 degree rotation and to make them feel "grounded" according to their size/weight
I think Kotg of the Grove and/or Far Seer would be nice, as they are early game powerhouses with their summons. Also Archmage/Demon Hunter/Death Knight as the 90% pick rate for their races :)
Pitlord being predominantly an Orcish hero is thematically satisfying
"You bought him at the tavern... WILLINGLY?!" - Thrall
@@HellecticMojo "what is your feeble request ?
....Dont waste my time." - PL
Mannoroth: His blood is mine, as is your whole, misbegotten race!
"Revel in the suffering of all other living beings👹👹👹👹👹"
Grubby" that's nice 😊😊😊😊"
Watched that part like 8 times because it was hilarious
Lets gooo! DH next please!
Edit: The editor needs a raise or at least a..one million beers. That cleavage demon-stratiton was sick..quite literally.
I think it's an old thumbnail
16:43 that spontaneous voiceover haha
Game streamers explaining math to people who weren't listening in high school.
here
numbers are hard
dont worry the whole time he is doing math he is comparing the value of one point and that is totally moot becuase rain of fire is terrible and the actual math that mattters is the reduced damage not the value of the skillpoint
@@user-vm7bx1bq4s the actual math that matter is the one of the value of the skillpoint actually.
Let's say you are playing an Archmage and uou just hit level 4, you already have lvl 2 water elemental and lvl 1 brilliance aura. at level 4 you can only choose between lvl 2 brilliance aura or lvl 1 blizzard. You can't compare the whole value of lvl 2 aura to the value provided by lvl 1 blizzard, because even if you picked blizzard, you still have your lvl 1 aura value. That's why you only compare wether an added lvl 2 value to brilliance aura is better than blizzard or not. not the whole ability.
And the same goes for Pit lord, you have lvl 2 cleave and lvl 1 howl, you hit lvl 4 and you need to calculate wether you will get more value from having lvl 1 rain of fire and lvl 1 howl, or just lvl 2 howl.
That's why you count relative values and not the avsolute ones in RTS games
@@krzysztofputerko1943 rain of fire is a zero skill so NO its exactly like I said. there is no other way to put a fourth skill point except to throw it in the garbage and it wouldnt matter how efficient the gain of level 2 is compared to one becuase it is leagues above the other skill and is actually usefull. the fact u use a other hero as a example proves u cant fking read
That format is new best thing on your channel. Tier lists were great, but you can do very finite quantity of it. This hero spotlight series are good substitution for me.
I come from the darkness of your pit!
What a foolish boy
Ok, but this video does not explain why there is a burning legion demon chillin in a tavern
All of the legion leaders have been killed, so a lot of their generals have been forced to find new jobs
He's a moonlighter
Bloodmage next - lots of interesting discussion points around Banish - how to use it to creep, using it on enemy dps hero, using it on your own vulnerable hero, using it as part of a nuke vs UD etc all with 0 cd. Also the mana siphon has lots of uses, Phoenix is one of the coolest ults in the game, and Flamestrike is a firm favourite for the 4v4 worker destruction cheese. Also, he's cool as fuck and has a great BAT.
Archmage def needs to have his Spotlight. He's brilliant!
I love the fact that you're considering your youtube audience and not only your chat during your stream
It reminds a bit of the old youtube before twitch arrived
Juste a little "Hey youtube what's up" is always cool, thank's Grubby love your content ❤
I love when Grubby says: “what a foolish boy”. Was expecting it as part of the video. Anyways enjoyed a lot. This talks are so relaxing and light
You know I was thinking to myself. Why does this scratch a particular itch? What have I been missing that these kinds of things fill?
And then it hit me.
This feeling is what I used to get from reading game manuals. When I was a kid. I had tons of console games from the '90s and I used to always get in a really hot bath with a stack of maybe 15 or 16 game manuals or guides and I would just drink coke and go through all the manuals page by page.
This is great.
Kids in the modern times revel in this pleasure by reading wiki pages of games. Fandom might not be great, but other wikis keep the same spirit as Wikipedia. GameFAQs comes to mind, too.
Best part of getting a new game was absorbing the game manual in the car on the way home before playing it.
Kids these days will never know!
Love this. Looking forward for more 😊 tahnks mr Grubs.
8:37 ahhh so satisfying; I could almost hear MK death sound, which is definitely in top3 of my fav death sounds
That rarest of UD Heroes needs a spotlight: Bring the Vampy boy Dreadlord out!
No, old friend. You've freed us all.
Thrall roars.
I'm in love with your later series, the Spotlight and the BHL as well, keep up the great work!
Pit Lord is one of the best makeshift 3rd heroes. His Howl of Terror is a 30% damage debuff against non magic immune units and its duration is longer than its cooldown.
As a long-time Azgalor-first enjoyer, it's good to see that you're finally highlighting the only true S-tier hero in the game.
In all seriousness, I think the pit lord is among the best heroes for low elo play because he's incredibly tanky, which protects you from your own bad micro, and cleave absolutely wrecks a poorly-microed opposing army.
I think Crota gaming channel has a game where the PL wrecks havoc on the opposing enemies army 1v1. ill try to find it for you.
interesting to read the turn rate guide, shows once again how polished this engine is. Maybe some of the confusion comes there being two turn rates, an actual and a visual, like you notice sometimes how a unit hits attacks before it actually turned all the way towards its target.
The guide talks about the visual in equally important terms, though for our purposes actual turn rate is what matters.
You should number those spotlights, #1, #2 etc, so in later times when you make them a playlist, we are able to find the # we want.
Good idea, I think I'll start numbering them when we have a few more, maybe!
Pitlord! my favorite hero. A real shame its not a playable hero in hots. The coil + unholyfrenzy pitlord combo is such a nice strategy. I dont know if this is good, but making a later altar you can get more units, then get tavern hero as you walk over map.
grubby has such a soft spot for the pit lord
Pit Lord: "What is your feeble request?"
Viewers: "More hero dissertations."
Love these, pit lord was in my original top 5 favorite heroes.
"Lacks fienesse", is somewhat lore accurate, the pit Lord being a reckless destroyer and all. But at the same time, he does posses SOME cunning, such as spilling his blood into the fountain for the orcs to drink and fall under his influence. However, Mannaroth needed Tichondrius for that to happen.
"I think a certain finesse is called for here...GRRARARARRAAARRRGHAAAAH!!"
doomed shade piles incoming, good luck finding my invisible timebombs. DK crypt fiend into PL obsidian into devourer shade
WHAT A FOOLISH BOY!
6:00 that's definitely the highest amount of cleave damage possible💀😂😂
Watched this live, enjoying it again!
He starts the spoltights with the two objectively best heros in the game, Grubby never dissapints!! :)
I really love this format that really details how heroes work/goes in depth about how or when to use them. Thank you!
the production value on these videos is awesome.
Plus ... You can counter Pit Lord by delaying your upgrades. :)
The more attack you have, the more powerful Howl of Terror is.
The more armor you have, the more is ignored by Cleave, Rain of Fire and Doom.
I'd say the best counter to him as a race is Night Elves. They rarely engage in melee except with tanky units and are also great at kiting.
All the other races can counter him, but are forced to play certain strats like having casters or high pop melee units or mass range.
This means overall, Pit Lord and almost all casters go really well together.
He can make unusual units stand out like Wyverns whete he reduces enemy damage, they prevent enemy from kiting the Pit Lord while kiting themselves.
Loving these spotlights. Concentrated discussions on singular pieces.
i am amazed and intrigued about all the flexible uses that the pit lord has.
i am going to try that DK/Fiend/Pit tactic right now, sounds fun and versatile af :D
I don't play Warcraft 3; the last time I played was a decade ago, me and my bro fighting AI, but I love watching pros go at it and these videos is just fun
Flying Unit doomed, flies over water, dies, no Doomguard spawns.
Pitlord: What trickery is this?
Dreadlord next please :-)
Would love to see spotlights on the units too, explaining the uses and combos, these videos are great for a bronze level like me
Thanks for doing spotlight of my favorite hero so early! I'd like to see Blood or Paladin Mage next
Thank you for being one of the few YTers who uses the word cast correctly!
Finally! University of Warcraft III. Subjects in which the Nobel Laureate of worker rush - Grubby, leads
Glad the Death Coil tech got mentioned; this boy is CHONKY when you've got Death Coil
I haven't played this game in forever and immediately thought "DK/PL, Necromancer Unholy Frenzy timing push" and then you mentioned it lol. Not sure which 3rd hero to take though.
dl with a vampiric aura for kicks, or you can have a lich with frost amor that makes hard to resist the pitbull too
15:55 - Surprised Pikachu face
Very nice! Would love to see you explain Tinker ^^
love this, thanks for all your extra time and devotion and sharing with fans, please do Kaelthas or Sylvanas next
I need a Tinker spotlight to explain me the lore behind neutral goblins in WC3. Were horde wages for goblin sappers really that low?
I love these hero spotlights, please keep them coming
I really want to see a spotlight video of an undead hero next! Lich has got a lot to talk about, and some we almost never see!
I think I speak for almost everyone when I say if you just wanna do this for every single Hero in WC3, we are absolutely here for it.
Shadow hunter. Specifically if there is any redemption for his big bad voodoo. (Like spirit link, or healing wards by him to offset enemy targeting, invuln potion, give him survival items/ alloftheabove etc.)
Another great video! Here are my top three picks for future videos:
1: Paladin
2: Crypt Lord
3: Demon Hunter
I would like to see Dark Ranger next.
5:08 The labels on the back Paladins are backwards: the top Paladin has the lowest (8) armor and the lower Paladin has the highest (20) armor. This ironically reinforces the idea that the ability deals the same damage regardless of the target's armor xD
Mannoroth would approve of this content
I have had this idea that hero-applied debuffs such as Howl of Terror should be undispellable (like Acid Bomb and Thunder Clap). Imagine Pit Lord third taken for a support role. Negating the entire spell with dispels feels so cheap, and it's not summons which would do need counterplay.
- Adûnâi
I think Firelord deserves to be next. Love your videos!
Please keep doing these!
thanks for this one! I'm guessing for the next spotlight you might do a race not done yet, so I'll vote for my favorite hero the warden!
Cool, this is so informative. Nice analyzing 👍
Pit Lord seems due for some patching:
1. Move Rain of Fire ability to Firelord, and move Firelord's Soul Burn ability to Pit Lord. Both abilities thus exchanged will be more thematically fitting and work somewhat better.
2. Fix bugged nature of Cleaving Attack that lets it ignore armor of secondary targets.
3. Allow Cleaving Attack to transmit through an Orb, but let it only work on air units if a unit in the air was the primary target, and only work on ground units if a unit on the ground was the primary target.
sounds like what you MEANT to say is "Pit Lord seems due for some NERFS".
you basically just suggested to make him worse in basically every way.
@@ZugzugZugzugson A combination of nerfs and buffs. Fixing the Cleaving Attack bug is a nerf, but letting it transmiit through an Orb to work on air is a big buff.
And Pit Lord doesn't usually get very good use of Rain of Fire (and even in the exceptions, it interferes with Cleaving Attack).
I would love a firelord video next
6:00 OF detected.
Gorlocks Sister.
Thanks for putting this out!
I kinda feel like a trick that you didn't mention is focus firing an enemy thats in an advantageous position alongside casting doom and basically insta spawning a unit with warstomp. With good target selection and timing you can shift the entire battle landscape with a surprise doom guard. Obviously this can be countered with fast reaction healing/zepplins, but if you have like a lich or something and have enough dps to 1 shot an enemy unit it can be very powerful.
Excellent video! You should do Lich next!
I think Tinker would be great as a next hero spotlight candidate. I've never really understood what are his objectives and gameplan.
5:59 thank you for bleaching my eyes grubby
based content creation
Another banger for my favorite unloved lord of pits! Could you do Warden next grubby?
Great video man ❤
hey cool my 2nd fav hero, you already did the 1st :D thanks Grubby xoxo
Wild idea: what if Mountain Giants could have an ability like pitlords howl with higher percentages, combined with some effect of taking damage from other units, like the spirit bond (is that the name for Tauren mages skill? I didn't play the game for 15 years) instead of a taunt. Perhaps it can be coded.
firelord of course!
Really enjoying these.
Goblin Tinker and Firelord would ba awesome
I love this! More in this series please
I rly look foward to Brewmaster's spotlight. Because i have no idea when to build towards each of his basic skills, and if i iirc i think i've seen Grubby take different combinations.
This explanation is really great
I would love for you to go over different mercenaries from mercenary camps and from laboratory and explain why and when they are used. I find that part of the game quite complicated for a casual viewer.
Love the series! Keep it up
Panda 🐼 next!
Great video, i would love to see one on Pandaren Brewmaster!
Lich next would be cool
Love this format!
Imagine turning like closing a window (I'm using a window as an example to illustrate the point and also to showcase there is a limit to this value, you cannot close a window beyond the frame and also you cannot smash it shut in this scenario). Your turn rate is the vertical height of your window and you close it from top to bottom. A smaller window gets closed relatively faster than a bigger window if we use the same speed everytime we close one. That's it. I guess these rules were designed to avoid having models doing an instant 180 degree rotation and to make them feel "grounded" according to their size/weight
Can't wait for tinker.
firelord!!!! you gotta tell us all about firelord! i remember playing him back in the day, but i was a noob so everything i know is wrong!
Shabba nabba babba doo! Lets go for the shadow hunter next!
I think Kotg of the Grove and/or Far Seer would be nice, as they are early game powerhouses with their summons.
Also Archmage/Demon Hunter/Death Knight as the 90% pick rate for their races :)
Have you not made a Panda spotlight video yet? you have to do a Panda Spotlight. Go Grubby!
Hi Grubbs!
Going forward, I'd love to see a section on how you'd buff low-tier heroes. What would make the Pit Lord more viable for meta play?
Next hero defo should be the infamous "Tier D" bug, the Crypt Lord
The howl of terror explanation reminded me of why I fucking hate math and how unintuitive it is
Amazing video!! Pls do a video on warden and DH🙌🏻
Firelord next would be lit 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Nice ! Next the Dark Ranger please
One of my fav W3 Heroes!
I'd like to nominate the Warden for a hero spotlight. She seems to play differently to other NE heroes and I'd like an explanation for that.