I was involved in a hour long+ gun battle a couple decades ago as a law enforcement officer. The suspect was well armed and knew what he was doing. Anyway, he was shot at by officers from several agencies and units with 9mm, 40 s&w, 45 acp, 5.56 and a couple 870's. The suspect was hit by a couple 9mm, a few 45s and a couple 5.56 rounds and still kept firing. What stopped him? One pellet, yes pellet, of 00 buck. Why? Because it was the only projectile that struck him in a vital area, the base of the brain. All of the other rounds caused superficial wounds because of placement, distance and barriers. So what did I learn? It doesn't matter what you use. If a person is motivated and hell bent on causing damage, shot placement is far more important than the caliber or gauge used against him. Just train and become proficient with your choice of weapon.
Yeah I agree. Its being a marksman with the weapon you use. If you hit the target with an arrow that's all you have to do. Seen a video a guy did where he shoots a 9mm handgun 200 yards (has a spotter to help) which takes a while to even hit target with drop, spin & wind etc. But that round will kill no matter the distance if its on target.
This is so true but there are limits. Like a .22 for example has been known to have many survivors who get shot in the head point blank. But for most calibers above .22 i think ur right. The problem is not everyone is leo and well trained. In a panic self defense situation ur aiming for the biggest target which is the torso or maybe the legs. If you hit, u want the best possible stopping power to knock a man back. U can easily shoot at the torso and have a fmj go straight through and the person can keep coming at you especially if theyre on hard drugs like meth or coke
That's an excellent firearm. I carry both a sig p365 and a glock 19 and have put several thousand rounds thru each flawlessly. The only downside of the sig is difficulty loading magazines but that's what you get with a 10 round mag in such a small platform.
@Slick Yes, the P365 is my carry gun. At the store right now picking up my new Glock 19 MOS. I've been trying to get one for awhile. Gonna put a Holisun 507C optic on it.
As a 38 year vet of Texas Law Enforcement, and firearms Instructor, I find this well thought out and informative. All shooting success is focused on one thing and that's accuracy, so what you can hit with is what you should carry. Jerry, you danced around the one over shadowing factor in Law Enforcement carry weapons but did not quite nail it down, and that is that agencies like New York and others are driven by cost. This is very much why the Glock and the 9mm has seen so much service, budgets are controlled by others and cheapest is usually first. The effectiveness of the 9mm cartridge has improved greatly since I first carried one in the late 70's and during the 'wonder nine' years of the 80's I chose the 45. Later, working in plain clothes the 40 S&W was my choice, now retired I'm back to the 9mm for ease of concealment. Cost will always be a factor but in the long run what is your life worth.
I don’t carry a gun anymore, but when I did I went through the same thing. At first it was a .45 ACP, then I went to a .40 S&W. Next was a 10mm then a .357 Sig in a sub compact Glock and I couldn’t stand the recoil. The one round I shot all the time though for several reasons was a 9mm. I finally said to hell with the others and carried a 9mm for the last 20 years or so. I carried a gun for right at 40 years and I don’t carry a gun anymore simply because I just don’t want to. If I ever do decide to carry a gun again it’ll be my Glock 26 or my subcompact XD in 9mm. Nothing is stamped in stone, but 90 some percent of the time gunfights end very quickly with very few rounds being fired. Why? For one very simple reason: NOBODY wants to get shot. I don’t want to get shot with a Daisy Red Rider BB gun let alone anything that uses gunpowder as a propellant. The very best scenario is still a trip to the hospital if you get shot, the worst scenario is quite obvious. Anyway, best wishes to everyone. Last, if anyone ever questions your caliber of choice, I guarantee you they wouldn’t wanna be shot with it. They’re just like anyone else, they don’t want to be shot with anything no matter what caliber it is.
Good analogy. I say carry what you're comfortable handling and firing accurately. I shot 44 mag with full magnum loads for years and only had problems with 1 or 2 hand loads that were so hot they would shoot about 8 - 10 inches of fire out of the barrel and it would jar your teeth. Needless to say I didn't use those anymore. Other than those incidents I enjoyed shooting and hunting with it but it was too big for EDC. I carried a Glock 20SF for over 7 years and now I carry a Kimber 1911 in 10mm. I also have a Glock 23 but I'm more comfortable with the Kimber 1911. Some can't handle the recoil and accurately fire anything bigger than .380, 38, or 9mm. If that's what they're comfortable with that's what they should use. It's better to be able to hit your target with confidence than hit everything but the target with a larger caliber.
@@duaneadkins1261 I agree 100%. A high caliber handgun is of no use at all if you can’t hit your target. I’d rather hit someone as many times as needed with a .380 than to miss them altogether with a 45 ACP or whatever caliber it may be. Hits count and there’s no getting around it.
After trying out the single stacks, I like the G 48 MOS more than my prior G26. Yes, in almost all situations, the 9mm will get the job done, and it is a relative soft-shooter.
Indeed I carry a Glock 26 Gen 4 with the plus 2 base and a Desantis holster, so I have a total of 13 rounds at my disposal with a gun that I truly love.
Spent 9 years in emergency medicine. Seven as an Advanced EMT (paramedic) Two years as a basic EMT. My observations on the street lead me to believe that it is not caliber that counts as much as what the bullet pierces. I've seen failure to stop with .44 Rem. Magnum.(arms and legs, not torso) But have seen people dead before their body hits the ground.(central nervous system hits) My advice (for what it's worth) is to carry whatever firearms you can CONSISTENTLY hit with. BTW most fatalities from pistol cartridges were from.22 lr rimfire and .357 Magnum. Twenty two's have enough power to enter the chest, then bounce around like a pinball. 357magnum due to hydrostatic damage, ie the projectile is breaking the sound barrier. Just my 3¢ worth (inflation adjusted)
THANK YOU!! Everybody loves to run around "oh look at me and my .45...or 10mm or..... whatever makes you feel superior. SHOT PLACEMENT, folks. Shot placement.
Thank you for this. Yes, there is a plethora of trauma surgeon testimony, that they cant tell the difference between handgun wounds, except for a small number of specific bullets that create signature wounds.
I really like your comment Drake. I'm very interested in the 22TCM or 5.7x28 because they theoretically cause damage with a temporary cavity similar to how a 5.56 or 5.45 works. Fort Hood was a case study for 5.7 and center mass hit lethality.
Drake Savage I'll post the article when I find it. The goat tests. How many guys took all 16 or 17 from 9mm . How many .44 mags guys took to the torso and sat on the curb waiting for you to show up. Just because you're shot doesn't mean you're out of the fight. Or dead. This has been done to death. It's not even a legitimate topic anymore. It started with Elmer Keith and friends and by 1980 all that could be said was said. Doesn't matter how many new clamberings ,icls, Peter Pi bullets....waste of time to discuss preference as statistic based fact.
Machinen Kanone *I am familiar with the goat testing. Very scientific. PETA would never allow anything like this today. But please do post it for those who may be unaware. They were using FMJ, if memory serves, and this proved that in a war setting a large caliber, heavy slug is what you want.
If you are reading this and you open carry or conceal carry, thank you. You're making the world a safer place for everyone. I don't care what you carry, as long as you practice with it enough to hit what you aim at.
@@einundsiebenziger5488 Pacifism gets more people killed. There are always going to be evil people in all walks of life. Do you seriously believe a person intent on hurting someone gives a damn whether there use a gun, knife, baseball bat, fists, etc. Having a gun at least puts you on equal footing with that person.
I worked as an armed guard for several years, started off carrying a 1911 style 45ACP, then switched to a .40s&w Springfield XD and have stuck with that. The .40 is much lighter of a gun and carries more rounds with good "stopping power". I always use a good hallow point round for less penetration though. Thanks for the video.
Lighter is not always better. Yes it's less weight to carry around but the other side of the coin is does saving weight mean carrying something in a caliber which lacks stopping power? Or do you still go for the light gun in a stopper caliber and accept the increased recoil and muzzle flip? If it meant a meaningful caliber in a controlable platform I'd happily accept more weight. My definition of an effective is that if the target can still shoot back it wasn't effective.
I would just like to say a special "thank you" to all the folks who went with the "The 40. is dead" marketing.... Cause I love the price reduction in 40cal ammo.... ;-)
I really like .40 S&W. I sold my G27 and G22. I have not checked prices recently with the .40, so a lower price point is news to me. Another thing I've noticed is a hoard of police Trade GLOCKS chambered in .40 for a great price.
More recoil than 9mm is pretty light criticism. Is that all? Ammo could be cheaper? It seems pretty effective, controllable, and available. Still can’t see why anything has an advantage over .40s+w. But on the other hand, 9mm is PROBABLY going to be enough to save your life.
So income is the issue huh? I guess ill take the 50 cal gi clock for personal carry... what are the odds that ill actually use a box of ammo on a person? Almost none.
Oh now, careful there with that mate. You'll offend some c*** with it that desperately needed offending and you'll be up in front of a magistrate before you finish your beer.
I carry concealed (every day) a Glock 30S 45 ACP with 230 grain Remington JHP (10+1) with lots of 13/round back up magazines on hand. I carry effortlessly and comfortably IWB using a Concealment Express carbon fiber holster at 0330. It's the caliber I was trained on as a young Marine and did some actual fighting with. It makes me feel good, warm and fuzzy inside. Over the years I tried to buy a box or two of 45 ACP every month and accumulated a healthy number of full ammo cans. I don't worry about not being able to afford to practice or just plink for fun.
I was an ER nurse for thirteen years. I've seen 380s do a number on people on several occasions. We're talking multiple organ involvement with a single bullet. I've also taken several shooting classes and the truth of the matter is shot placement trumps whatever handgun caliber someone is trying to set on a pedestal. As long as you get 11-13 inches of pen in ballistic gel through layered denim, carry it with confidence.
Just yesterday I was at my favorite local ammo store with some questions concerning ammo for my new S&W, the best advice I got was for home or personal defense several brands they carried were all good, but most important in their opinion was use a tactical round and make sure no matter what I bought or where make sure it was a bonded round. Buy the cheapest I could find in the weight and power of the tactical round for the range trips, to be used to how the gun acted with that size and load, then go home clean the gun and load the tactical rounds.
We all know shot placement is key. But reality is you can't usually call a shot that exactly. The perp moves, you hurry a shot and off by an inch, etc. For MOST defensive shootings, a 22 is sufficient. Carrying a larger caliber is just a little more margin for error if you have that 5% situation where a tough bad guy wants to fight it out. Personally, I prefer a psychological stop where you don't have to actually fire. A 357, 44 Mag, or 45acp seem best for those. But reality is, if you have to use it, anything you have and can score hits is better than just having your you-know-what in your hand.
My Dad used the Colt 1911 .45 cal in the S. Pacific during WW 2 and in Korea. He called it the people mover. I personally use a .38 Special just like Grand Pa who was a Cop for 30 years. Dad taught me Shot placement and follow up rather than caliber is the key.
I use a 12 gauge shotgun for home defense. I’ve noticed that the vast majority of the ammo marketed as “defense loads” or “tactical loads” are no different than ordinary buckshot...for more than double the price
@Evan Moyer I could maybe see the advantage shooting it at deer at 40+ yards but at home defense ranges it would be fixing something that isn't broke with a 12 gauge 8 or 9 pellet 2-3/4" load.
Buckshot is king. Bird shot will put a beating on someone, but buckshot has a higher probability for death. But birdshot typically won't go through multiple walls so less of a chance to hit people/things through walls. I personally load the first with birdshot, then subsequent shots with buck. Makes my first shot less recoil and allows me to atleast identify the target then get my bearings for the next shot.
As a career police officer and detective for 21 years from 1970 through 191, I know firsthand that your comments and advice are well grounded in reality. After 10 years in Patrol, I was a homicide detective for roughly 11 years. I saw peopele die from gunshot wounds and I attended many autopsies. What yiou said is right--diferent people people respond diffrerently to being shot. The ONE thing I have found that is key to survival in a gunfight is bullet placement. That matters more than caliber. Thanks for your informative and thoughtful approach
Over my 24 years on the PD, I did pick up one very useful piece of information about being shot! Again, it is a matter of where you were hit, but it also has a LOT to do with what you expect to happen should the worst case become a reality. If you believe that being shot will kill you, then a survivable wound may well become a fatal one, if, on the other hand, you believe that anyone can survive being shot then you have a much greater chance of surviving even a near fatal body strike. Funny how the mind works in such matters, so I was taught that you can and will survive if you happen to be hit in a gun fight, and to keep on fighting so long as you are physically able.
But assuming you can master bullet placement... I'd say next thing is that a bigger bullet stops the target quicker. .45 vs 22. I don't think it's even a question.
Being a Law Enforcement Officer I have done tons of research on this very topic! I am just gonna say! Thank You for this video. It is by far hands down the best and most informative video I’ve watched on this topic.
I too am a 1980s kid 🧓🏻✔... I went thru phases too. I'd add a few things to this video but I agree with most of the remarks. Platt & Matix of the 1986 FBI Miami FL shootout were both US Army veterans: Airborne Ranger, MP(Military Police). SA Morales did in fact end the gun battle by using a 12ga pump shotgun. 🛡. NBC made a 1980s era TV movie about the incident. The rise of .40 & 10mm type rounds led to the return of the .45acp caliber. When the 2000s era 1911 Browning patent ran out many US gun firms like Para Ord(Para USA) Auto Ord, Colt, S&W, SIG Sauer, Kimber, etc all promoted 1911a1 style guns. 🤩. Over time & with vastly improved engineering, 9mm bullets, guns returned to the main focus of most cops, target shooters, CCW. The 9mm +P offers a lot. 😉
Speaking of bears - I can say a Llama .380 is a bit under powered when you come upon a bear unexpected. I was headed up to my favorite fishing lake. It is a long drive, and then a hike of several miles to the lake. Once on foot, and yet a mile or more from the lake, I heard a bawling like a city dog, down below me, with its collar caught on a piece of brush. I continued on, wondering what a lone dog was doing way up there. Later as I approached where you could first look down on the lake, there was a sudden violent thrashing in the brush 20-30 yards off the trail. I had never experienced such violent thrashing before. I stepped over next to a big Douglas Fir tree, to see if I could see what was causing the noise beyond there. As I looked I could see nothing, not even any motion. But there was moss and pieces of bark falling on me out of the tree, but the thrashing was quite alarming - No growling or roaring. I kept trying to see what was making such a racket. Then suddenly the thrashing stopped. I took that moment to look up in the tree. There was the prettiest Golden Bear cub you ever did see, hanging onto that tree, looking down at me. The morning sun was just shining down on him making it the perfect Walt Disney photo. And me without a camera. Right then it hit me. I knew from Walt Disney's wildlife movies, a Mama bear will send her cubs up a tree when she senses danger. I knew right then I was in the wrong place at the wrong time! I was closer to the bear cub than Mama bear! I needed to get the hell out of there! All I had was my fishing pole and gear, and my Llama .380. I had never felt so unprepared in my life! Was the .380 loud enough to slow down an angry mama bear? Probably not. Were the bullets capable of slowing her down any? I didn't want to have to find out. I drew the Llama, just in case. I put a round in the chamber and had 7 in the magazine. I kept looking towards where the thrashing had been, and looking either side and behind me, every few steps backwards. I kept backing up until I was well out of sight of the Fir tree. Once I felt it was safe I turned and hurried back to the truck. I've never seen or heard a bear since. But when you go into bear country, you need to take enough stopping power, just in case. I'm fine with a .357 on me, and a .308 in the truck. Whatever you do, do not get between a mama bear and her cub! And don't run. A big fat bear can outrun a horse from standing start. And they love to chase things running away from them.
@@kenhutcherson5639 I have a smith and wesson sd 9, shield ez 380, and an lcp 380 depends on the day. But I'd suggest the 9mm over the .380s it has less recoil but if you have the funds get her a m&p 9 2.0 its like the ez but less recoil more capacity and is reliable. I bought my guns for different purposes. The sd is for capacity, the ez is for reliability, the lcp is for concealment. With the m&p you have all except concealment hence why I suggest it.
@@blib3786 yes regular hard ball ammo. 45 has killed many bears. +p is definitely better if you have it. Super would be the best choice if your pistol can handle it.
We Brazilians pay for just 10 cartridges what an American pays for a box of 50. If expensive ammunition prevented crimes, our country would be the safest in the world.
I was a Police Officer back in the early 70’s. The first time I was shot was at night in a gun fight while working plain clothes. His first shot we were approx 30’ apart and I return one shot. Thinking I would have to chase him was my first mistake. When the mussel flash dissipated he was about 10 feet closer and running at me. I fired 4 more shots hitting him in the chest four times. With the sixth shot my hand was on his chest when I fired and he ran into me knocking me to the ground. Standing over me he fired five rounds from a 32 caliber automatic pistol hitting several times. My partner then engaged him with a 12 ga shot gun at under 6 feet as he attempted to flee. Took 6 rounds of. 00 buck to bring him down. I had hit him 4 out of 6 times with my 38 revolver and never even slowed him down. Took 6 rounds of 00 buck to finally end this incident. He was an average size man 5’9” tall 170 lbs according to the autopsy report he was hit several times with 38 cal rounds and multiple times with a 12 ga yet no alcohol or drugs found in his system. I had carried a 44 magnum while in uniform but to big to carry while in plain clothes. Don’t think it would have made much difference in this case but who knows.
I have read a storry like that of a leo who hit the agressor with 45 acp about 10 times even with hits in the lung and heart but he still was shooting back. Finally a head shot stoped him.
The caliber doesn't matter if your shot placement is good. , unless the perp is on something. In the 1980's, I was a deputy sheriff, standard sidearm was a .38 special. I've seen a double tap to the chest end the fight. Then I've seen 2 officers empty their revolvers into a geed up doper and just slow him down, it took 2 blasts from a 12 gauge to stop him. I train a 3 shot pattern, 2 center mass, 1 shot to the head. Use something that you will carry & practice. A .380 in the hand beats a .45 in a drawer.
True but shot placement is the factor we have the least control over in a real gunfight. No matter how well you shooting is on paper targets. Hardly anybody I debriefed after ma shooting incident told me they even 'knew' the pistol had sights on much less use them. That's what happens, adrenaline chages everything. This is not theory with me either.my friend
I just turned 65. I'm a little older than you. I shot IPSC/USPSA back in the days when Robby Leatham and Doug Koenig were the smoking guns of the sport. I read everything I could find written by Jeff Cooper and Massad Ayoob. I had spent 4 years in the USMC from '75 to '79. So having been introduced to the 1911, carried and trained with it at a very impressionable age, no one could ever talk me out of the .45 acp...end of story. Jeff Cooper hated the 9mm. Massad called it a "mouse gun". So after watching your video and reminiscing, I look at the evolution of my own personal carry gun and have to say...Wow! Things do change. I'm carrying a Glock 43x with the 15 rd Shield Arms mag and another with a 5 rd extension for the reload. I still carry a 1911 in either 10 or 45 from time to time but I always have to ask why anymore. I guess you hit the nail on the head with your summation. Carry what you are comfortable with, can train with, and most importantly, can hit with. Good video, man!
I carry a .40 my wife carries a .40 my dad carries a .45 my mom carries a 9mm my boss carries a .380, he's 100% correct it's all about what you personally are the most comfortable and qualified to carry.
i carry a crossbow pistol with a bee hive on the end of it and i identify and a submarine detection dolphin. how effect is this for my self preservation?
There's an old story (witnessed by Doc Holiday i believe) where a gentlemen guts into a duel with 2 brothers. They started at over 100 paces and the two brothers open up. The lone gunman keeps his iron holstered and walks towards them through a hail of bullets. When he gets close enough he pulls and kills them both. I remember reading this in high school. The quote attributed to Doc was in summary "accuracy is the most important aspect of shooting"
@Toby Henderson You need to read an indepth narrative of the infamous Miami Dade FBI Shootout with two (2) well armed bank robbers. Six (6) rounds was NOT enough. Firearms News had a very detailed write-up and critique. Google it, read it, read it again. If it doesn't scare you, you're not worth worrying about. I was wearing a badge when it took place. Changed LE tactics & weaponry forever.
You'd better have damn good aim and be able to hit that grizzly in the heart, otherwise a 10mm is just enough to piss off a 500 or 600 hundred lb beast.. with a skull hard enough to ricochet bullets, thick fur and hide, 10-12 inches of fat. No to mention they can run fast enough to charge and cover 30-40 feet in a couple seconds.
@@matthewhartup941 when a griz is charging, you better have good aim no matter what caliber you have. Having 15+1, I will take my 10mm over most. Much less recoil compared to say a .41 or .44 mag, but I will still take 700+ ft lbs with 16 shots, over 6 (yes more powerful I know) of the mighty magnums . Isn't it all about shot placement mostly with all calibers? Just my .2 cents.
Back in the late 80's I took a series of week-long lethal weapons courses with Mas Ayoob. Your video clip reminds of the classroom lectures with Mas. Thank you. You asked at the end of this what do I carry: I have had a CCW for 30 years.....in 3 different states where I've lived. Sig 228 9mm is my carry all this time. (Sig Sauer did a service refresh a couple years ago.) Corbon 115gr JHP. 1350 fps rated. I remember the debate about back then 9mm vs 45 ACP (Jeff Cooper). Mas taught what part of the body to shoot at, combat stance, etc. Been out of guns for several years......but activating again bc of the hatred in America that has occurred/ come to the forefront of everyone in America in the past 4 years.
I have several different caliber guns but my go-to for home defense is a 10mm. I can handle the recoil just fine. With the 1st round being the most important, I find the striking energy the 10mm provides is really hard to beat in a semi auto platform.
no not really actually. if you look at the revised tests the 40 is actually no better and sometimes worse than the 45. plus it seems the 40 is way harder on the guns and many leos are going back to the 9 or the 357 sig. the 40 was a knee jerk action by the fbi. its a good round but has lost much of its stream due to several factors the main one being the wear and tear on the guns compared to the 9 and the 45. not bad mouthing it, but its not really better than the 45, maybe the 380, but not the 45 or 9 in my opinion with the new data out now..
agree 100%. there is a reason it is still around and very popular today. the 40 is dying quick. 9 mm or 45 in my book. if I want more I would go to the 10mm. to me a 40 is like choosing to drive a 6 cylinder over the v8. go 4 or 8 the in between is sorta the least of both worlds not the best.
I never understood the logic of your statement. If you are armed with a .380 mouse gun, it means you DID NOT forget to bring a gun with you. So, if you remembered to bring a gun, why on Earth would you choose a .380? There is no answer you can give me that would ever change my thinking. When I was a cop, one of our guys was ambushed by a guy he locked up several times. This was at arms length, car to car. My buddy took 5 .380 hits and returned fire with a S&W J frame .38+P's. Bad guy lost for 2 reasons. His .380's all passed thru a leather police jacket which absorbed so much energy, NONE of them penetrated over one inch! Reason #2, of my buddy's 5 shots, 3 were later determined to be lethal hits to the head & neck. The other 2 were arm hits. Point is, Bring EnoughGun! Carrying a gun is supposed to be comforting, not comfortable.
ed, i get what you are trying to say but your info is a bit one sided I think. so in your scenario, what if the guy with the 380 had shot your buddy in the head instead of the leather jacket?? the results would have been way different!! a 380 is a great gun to carry for protection. hell a 22 is as well. head shot don't matter what the cal is. i carry both the 9 and the 45, but a 380 to the head is just as dead. to say bring enough gun is just not a very accurate statement for everyone. i agree i would have a 9 or 38 before the 380 but regardless to say a 380 is not lethal is simply not accurate. you being a cop ( my brother in law is as well), should know that the 22 LR kills more people than any. you know the gun you shoot the best is the one to have. thanks for your service by the way
The best calibre is the one you have at hand. It all boils down to shot placement. I live in Africa where I regularly use my sidearm (.40S&W) to shoot problematic baboons. A chest shot that shatters the heart will not stop it in its tracks, it typically still runs for about 10m before it drops. Same results seen using a high power rifle in .375 H&H calibre. A head shot with the .40S&W will break the skull in pieces. I have had cases where the brain was lying about a meter behind the carcass. Those shots stops it where it stands. A human is way way less resilient than a wild animal. My point is, shot placement is the be all and end all. What ever calibre, a brain shot stops it in its tracks. A chest shot will not. A larger calibre is more forgiving to a bad shot as a little bit off target will still do a decent job
Wow a 375 h&h doesn't drop them baboons ? Even in the chest? Holy crap. I have a Ruger 375 I figured a 375 would make a baboon flip it hits so hard I e shot threw trees with that rifle before that's nuts. I've always wanted to come to your country and hunt $$$ is a issue these days though.
@@masterofpuppets2004 I'm not sure why you're bringing race into the discussion when none of us mentioned any other human being. It seems like you're projecting your own insecurities onto the conversation. We were all talking about a certain type of firearm, not people. Unless you consider baboons, monkeys, bears, and dogs to be part of the human race, no humans were mentioned. Please do not cause conflict where there is none to be found. We are all peace loving people enjoying an conversation about a subject we care about. We don't care about or want to get involved in sick race wars, those we leave to people like you who have nothing better to do. If you are a racist, I encourage you to watch this video as it might help you to find the light ua-cam.com/video/_KM1ANWbrIY/v-deo.html
I don’t carry anything as I live in the U.K. and our rights to own a handgun have been removed. You guys over in the USA don’t realise how lucky you are. I intend to visit the USA and I am going to learn how to safely handle and shoot a handgun, maybe progress to an AK47 or M16, hopefully the full auto versions.
michael johnson lucky? define that term. I bet you a doughnut to the bakery your violent crime rate is significantly lower than ours. don't be hasty to assume the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. we have a unique and wonderful right to keep and bear arms. but there is a catch. with power must come responsibility. and more often than not, responceibility does not exist. in a perfect world, we could all own all the guns we want and nobody would misuse them for violence. but then there would be no need for firearms at all as it would be a perfect world. our reality is considerably darker than that. there will always be people that have no regard to human life. and don't care if they commit felonies to obtain and use guns in a violent mannor. then our government says we need more regulations. this only keeps us law abiding citizens from having these guns. criminals again care nothing about breaking the law. they already intend to murder you. what's another fellony for possession?mean while, the laws keep us from having significant firepower to handle these situations. we will be at a disadvantage, while criminals have the upper hand.
and for the most part, the riffles you mentioned are not legal. here. there may be ranges where you can rent one. but we can't technically own anything full auto. or high capacity. civilian guns are getting strictly limited to what they determan as sporting use weapons. in other words, hunting. simi auto, low capacity.
@Richard Peterson Incorrect. Look up the statistics violent crime has skyrocketed in UK. Gun violence is down over there (obviously less guns less gun crime generally). But the OVERALL violent crime is up. Per capita they are worse off than us. And no, I have not provided a link to those stats because I am not your school teacher, find it yourself.
Thanks for the invite Richard - most appreciated. I have been doing some preliminary investigations regarding firearm tuition and whether as a visitor to the US if I can enrol on basic firearm tuition classes. It is my intention to ensure I take a course which will make me competent and, just as importantly, safe when handling or using a firearm. Any recommendations sir? I also hope to visit a few gun shows. I am after a few parts for my deactivated MP40. Again, any ideas on the best shows to visit which focus on WW2 militaria?
My point is Richard is that you guys in the USA have the CHOICE to legally own and use firearms, we in the UK do not. If I moved Stateside I would primarily own a handgun to protect both me, and more importantly, the members of my family. The only people with guns in the UK are the criminal fraternity, and that’s just not FAIR.
I met Ed Mireles the FBI agent that used the shotgun to finish the Miami gunfight. He was a guest speaker at my police firearms instructor class. He spoke at length about the incident and how the stress induced during the battle affected his reactions.
Nice video, I was a .45 everyday carry guy, then ironically enough I started carrying a .380 LCP II. Now I carry a 9mm and every once in a while I carry the Shield .40, but the .45 is never far away. Sometimes I backup with the Ruger 57, not for stopping power but suppressive fire if needed, it has 20 rds and more accurate beyond 20 yds than any of the others with little to no recoil.
this story has a lot of extra details I won't waste your time with. I was carjacked and kidnapped by a gang member who carried me to the kill house. He sprayed me in the eyes with pepper spray and hit me over the head wit a claw hammer. when I cam too he said very politely, "I'M going to kill you now. I staggered to my feet, and told him I had a large sum of money in my bill fold. ("Which I did not)' But as carry was illegal back then in Texas, I couldn't carry anything what so ever that could imprint at all. Being ex LEO, I still had the habit of carrying a back up behind my bill fold.. A tiny North American Arms .22 loaded with Stingers. I told "him hands behind your head, on your knees, your under arrest". He laughed and charged. First shot center mass, second slightly off, third in head. Later the ME told me the first or second Stinger blew the lower third heart to hell and back. The second just missed. The third glanced off the skull. We fought like hell until he expired crying for his mother. I was pretty beat up Moral of this story, It takes more than shot placement. Yes, it killed him. It did not however, stop him. With near perfect shot placement, from a man blinded by pepper spray and hit overy the head with a claw hammer. Luckily I had been shooting handguns, some with the sights removed since I was 7 or 8 years old, starting with an old pump pellet pistol handed down from my uncles. No sights, and learned to hunt squirrels in trees with it. when the Feds returned my little pistol after the grand jury, they ask if I needed anything else. Yep I said, A M-60 in a leg holter and I'll walk around like chester. I'm not going thru this again! I helped get the carry laws passed in Texas, and now carry a nice .45 1911 TRS by my old racing buddy Les Baer. It has gotten me out of a few alterations since.. Does a hell of a job on a vehicle in a drive by. The perp was Satan Disciples. A few of his friends came looking for me. They found me. They are all in prison. A good thing! KnifeMaker
People are so engrossed in movies, (Fantasy,) that they cannot absorb reality at all. Wish it had been a movie. . I became basically a recluse for quite a good long time after the incident. Cost me darn near everything i had. Knife
Marko, I did have to go to Grand Jury. Was not charged, No Billed! Thank you for your concern. Even if born of hatefulness and ignorance. It takes all kinds. KnifeMaker
Thats a great 1st hand account of the realities of caliber stopping power. The flip side however, what other gun would you have been able to hide in your back pocket behind your wallet? I love those little NA guns, never fired one, but held a couple. Great craftsmanship. And a 22 is definitly better than a balled up fist. Glad you made it thru that :)
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G17 for the duty gun, G26 for the concealed. I’ve seen plenty of gun shot victims and I’m convinced that caliber means very little, it’s what gets hit that counts. Higher Magazine capacity gives you more rounds to put on target, more opportunity to hit something that stops the threat. Throw in ammo costs for training, and that’s why I carry 9mm.
I would think adrenaline in the subject has a lot to do with whether they are going to stop when shot. Also, in my humble opinion, if you want stopping power, use a shotty. That will not only stop something, but is likely to knock them backwards, vest or not vest. Shotty is the ultimate disruptor.
Great video. Shot placement is everything. I was an officer in a large midwestern city during the 1970s and 80s. We were issued SW model 10, .38 caliber revolvers. They worked, and they worked very well largely because of shot placement. I now carry either an MP 2.0 3.6 9mm or MP Shield 2.0 performance center for one reason. I shoot them both extremely well-period with excellent shot placement. Again, very imformative video.
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Jerry, you hit the nail exactly on the head: the best caliber is the caliber in which you can handle, play shots where they need to be, and stop the attacker. The round is not dependent upon the caliber rather the effectiveness of the person who is wielding the firearm.
One more additional thing, if you can please the round in the T-zone of the head, the assailant is not likely to get up and recover from a head wound of that sort. That is why we have taught a lot of our CTTs to use the two to center of mass and one to the head regiment for dealing with a hostile.
I have a colt 1911 10mm. After about 10000 rounds, I sent it to colt , and had it rebuilt. I also had 30 lpi chechering and tritium sights added. I carry this pistol and hunt deer and it has a holster on my bed. I love my 10mm .
I do love my Colt Delta Elite. It is a big heavy and large for concealed carry. It goes with me hunting though in a Galco OWB holster. Haven’t shot a deer with it yet, but have given the coup de grace to 2 deer.
I have a .380 Ruger LCP for every day, and a Glock27 .40 so people don't laugh at me when I go to the range. I actually want to buy the .22 LCP II next, because it's cheap to practice.
Nice little .22 if you can actually pick it up for list (or less **fingers crossed** but never counting on that). Honestly, most firearms aren't cute little bastards, but dammit if it's not a cute little bastard w/ panache.
The Ruger LCP II .22 is a nice little gun. very easy to operate. It fits in your pocket, but carries 10 rounds. Modern .22LR is not your grandfathers 22LR. I have rounds that expand to .30 when hitting a water jug, and I have rounds that pass through 2 inches of fresh pine, out of a short barrel pistol. It really is a viable self defense round.
@@EconAtheist I think the .22 is too light but I have also thought about the Ruger. It is a short, easy slide to rack and, with basically no recoil, still makes it a valid consideration. Good luck !!! I laughed when you mentioned you took a 40 to the range. There are a lot of purists out there but ultimately it is your choice and comfort level. I get lot of criticism about my fondness for Taurus. I have carried Taurus 9mm and 40 S&W pistols and all have worked. In the woods I have carried Taurus revolvers in 357m and 454 Casull. Great guns !
I started by carrying a Beretta 96 .40 cal, then went to a 9mm Smith and Wesson M&P, then a M&P .45, now I carry a M&P 10mm, the size and feel of the 10mm fits my hands great, the recoil isn't too hard to control, holds 15 rounds in a single mag, and has a red dot mounted to it so I have super quick target acquisition and better accuracy than the irons. Got it loaded with Hornady Critical Duty ammo, runs great and performs well on soft targets. If I'm conceal carrying I have a 365xl in my waistband loaded with 115 grain Winchester silver tips
My 2 cents on Going full circle. 40+ years ago I started carrying.38 caliber revolver as a police officer. As times changed, I was required to carry 357, then a 9 mm, and much later a 40 caliber semi-automatic. Now I am retired and have gone gone full circle back by carrying .38 revolver. The reason is: 1) from my experience I have better shot placement compared to semi-auto. I am more comfortable with a revolver. 2)revolvers are more reliable compared to semi-auto’s. No issues concerning jamming or failure to feed. Revolvers are more forgiving towards abuse. 3) there have been advancements in .38+p bullet performance 4) for me the .38 caliber snubnose are easy to conceal.
Don't know why 38 is often overlooked. Just look at the amount of powder behind it. Plenty of velocity. Maybe it's the crazy comments from a dirty Harry movie that they bounce off car windshields . Some believe that urban legend. Clearly they have not ever shot one or seen the damage a good +p hollow point can do.
@Craig Scott Revolvers can be had in 5 to 8 round capacity. Which should be more than enough if you use situational awareness and stay out of bad places. Most gunfights are over in 2 to 3 rounds. Speed loaders are also extremely effective if you take the time to learn them. High capacity is nice. I have a 19 shot 9mm beside my bed as we speak. But would be just as well served w a 6 or 7 shot 357 Magum. Much better stopping power. Stopping power is not a myth.
I carry a 3 inch 7 round .357 Magnum. It's extremely accurate and has a very controllable recoil. I carry it over my compact 9mm or my 44 Magnum. I'm also in agreement about the quality of the 38 Special +P. I use the Underwood 125gr jhp. It has great expansion and hits with close to 800 ft/lbs of energy. You have excellent comments and I respect your experience and service!
@@jsmith6589 As a police officer myself I heard way too many accounts of cops shooting a thug NUMEROUS times with their .38cal and still getting their ass beat or killed.
I think he might have been referring to 9mm reload which I used find in the 8-10 dollar a box range all the time at the shooting ranges but lately not so much. The only problem with reload is some guns don't like it and it gets your gun filthy dirty. But my Ruger P89 never cared. It shoots anything. You also get an occasional dud with reload.
While in Iraq I witnessed several combatants shot with 45 ACP hardball and nothing but devastating injury's , in one fight I was in, a fellow marine shot a haji center mass at eight feet in a house. He hit him center mass in the sternum and it hit his spine exiting , the exit wound looked like someone threw a softball threw him. No , I don't carry a .45 , I'm just telling you what I eyewitnessed . As always , only the first well placed shot counts in a fight.
Bravo Zulu Roha, your end all phrase is "As always , only the first well placed shot counts in a fight." Loyalty to a thing is ok, but if you cannot slap that bull's ass, all you have is horns and shit... That said, if it takes a deer it takes a peer. So BR, its like this, if the system works and someone can use it with precision...
Great video. I have been carrying 9mm for over 30 years. Currently it’s the Gold Dot 124 +p. I’m also the firearms instructor for my agency, so I purchase the rounds. One of my guys who is on a federal task force asked me why were weren’t switching to the Hornady round and I said, the Gold Dots work in our guns and everyone shoots them well.
I'd rather be missed by a .45 than hit by a .22. Grew up with that stopping power debate. Bullets can ONLY stop a person two ways. 1.) Shut down of the central nervous system. 2.) Asphyxiation. Blood loss to the brain causes unconsciousness and total body shutdown. To achieve either of these, shot placement is key. A .22 in the brain is equally as effective as a .44 magnum... just a lot less messy. I once saw a photograph of the victim of a car accident. He had a fence post - 4 X 4 - clean through his chest and out his back. They had to take a chain saw and cut the post to take him to the hospital. Surprisingly he was still conscious. If you had placed a gun in his hand, he could have pointed it and pulled the trigger. If a 4 X 4 fence post won't immediately render a person unconscious or dead... NOTHING you can carry is guaranteed to do so. Thus I would rather have as many rounds as possible in a package I can shoot accurately and dependably. For me, my choice is a 9mm loaded with Underwood's Xtreme Defenders +P+. If that won't get the job done... either I am having a very bad day or I am in the wrong line of work. Just my .02.
Bad Cattitude Well, it was pretty explosive... He was speeding in a car. The post went through his windshield and then through him. I don't have a reply if you think a 4x4 post won't displace and destroy internal organs. 😉 Post placement like shot placement is everything.
tuckerT48 I have had similar results. Wound channel and stretch cavity in most cases exceeds hollow points. Penetration depth in calibrated ballistic gelatin maintains around 18" regardless of the barrier the projectile penetrates. MAC - Military Arms Channel tested these rounds thoroughly.
I would add a third way... Shock. Everyone reacts to injury differently, and although shock may not STOP them, it can render them ineffective in actively re-engaging. Those ft/lbs of energy when they hit a body are not wasted effort in ceasing escalation.
But where the heck do you even find it?! I've given up on the caliber two years ago. It's ALWAYS very difficult to find and always costs $10 more per box (50 round boxes) than all the other calibers, even .44 Magnum! Ditched the barrel and switched to .40 S&W. Guess what? Ammo availability issues were severely reduced the last two years.
Excellent round! Yes, it's more expensive, but its benefits are worth the costs. I don't understand the detractors of this round..."A little too fast." WTF - it doesn't over penetrate, what's the problem?
@@largol33t1 i find 357 sig ammo everywhere. cabelas, the local gun shops, online and its not THAT much more in price for all the whining i hear about it. The sig Sauer brand practice 357 sig ammo is only $23 for a box of 50...thats damn near average price . There are brands that are expensive but there are others well within a budget range. and the Sig brand ammo is hot...1325fps 125 gr...same exact specs as their defensive ammo which only cost $19 for a box of 20 jhp nickel cased. i have thousands of these rounds in stockpile and im far from rich. I also use 10mm and its the same deal with the ammo...the SIg brand ammo has bulk packs for $100 for 200 rounds and its pretty warm ammo. 180gr about 1250fps. they also have 50 round boxes of practice ammo for $24. again, very little more than average and this is 10mm ammo... of course i have the boutique stuff like underwood, double tap, buffalo bore but not in bulk....also have a couple thousand in the stockpile of sig brand 10mm...very doable.
My first pistol was given to me by my Dad. Before he bought it, we would go to an outdoor shooting range and shot his 357 Dan & Wessen. We would collect all the brass and start to reload hundreds of 9 mm rounds. We did not have 9 mm pistols. So My Dad bought me a Sig Sauer P226 back in 1989. I get further hand gun training from my uncle. My uncle taught me to shoot with one hand. I got proficient and built fundamentals of shooting where I could shoot any caliber. Many years after I graduated college and could afford purchasing more guns, I purchased a Sig Sauer P220 thinking of great knock down power. This 45ACP had more kick but was manageable. Fast forward to 2021 and got a Sig Sauer P226 357 Sig. The 357 Sig ammo was expensive but was available compared to popular rounds like 9 mm and 45ACP. Shoot the 357 Sig and found it to be very powerful yet manageable. Lots of muzzle blast / flash. I believe it has top knock down power than my P226 9mm and possibly better than my 45ACP with added accuracy in long range shooting due to its flatter trajectory from the extreme speeds it can attain. I just recently purchased a Sig P365 X 9mm with the Romeo Red Dot. Using John Corriea's shared videos on active self protection, most gun fight encounters result in wins by FIBS or fudge, I've Been Shot. So first to hit the opponent is critical to dominating a fight. So I like the P365 X for its portability and ease of carry concealment. It also carries 12 + 1 so high capacity is there. Under a chaos or SHTF scenarios, I will primarily use my P226 357 Sig for incredible shooting distance accuracy and knock down power.
Great talk. I really appreciate it. I train and run a Glock 21 and was was happy with that for my personal defense. My agency issued a nine mm. Youvare correct, it is much easier to fire the nine mm. I am retiring soon and I am switching to a compact 9mm for personal safety carry only. I think your information was very helpful. Thank you.
fyi - I carry a S&W 9C - the best thing is it will take full size 17rd 9mm mags.So I carry 2 of them as spare mags. Shoots almost like my full size M&P Match gun.
I came across this and realized when I started I had seen this before. I ve heard. so many opinions in this issue Your solution was the best advice I have ever heard and adopted it as my answer when asked . It makes so much sense , thank you.
I just bought a s&w 40 recently as my first gun. This is mostly due to the fact 9mm is scarce but also the 40 cal ammo is cheaper. I bought some PMC bronze hollow point 165 grain for learning and target practice. They dealer said it should be sufficient enough to stop an aggressor until I learn the gun and get some better home defense ammo.
Just purchased a 40 cal. Smith and Wesson M&P today. My 3rd pistol within a year. Now I’m waiting on my LTC here in Texas to arrive in the mail. Very informative video. 💯💯🇺🇸💪🏾
Good job with your video. I'm a vet, hunter, and life member of the NRA. I belong to 2 shooting clubs and practice frequently. The same applies to hunting wildlife and it does to stopping humans who intend to harm us, SHOT PLACEMENT. Add to that penetration and you have a deadly combo. I shoot .22, .357 Sig, 9mm , .40 S&W, and .45 ACP Kimber. Love them all.
I carry a .45 ACP XDm compact, EVERYDAY. Recoil doesn't bother me. When I talk to people about carrying, I tell them to carry what you are comfortable with or you won't carry it. Better to have a .380 on your hip than a .44 magnum in the safe at home. Personally, when you throw out exotic bullet designs, I like the idea of a nice heavy bullet. Garbage ammo in a .45 ACP is better than garbage ammo in a 9mm. I know cops that have made the full circle back to 9mm, I know others that carry nothing but .45 ACP, whatever they are doing. I don't fault anyone for what they carry, I commend them for carrying.
Not sure what you meant by that...the point is the perp RAN, you stopped him, and no one died, apparently. I'd say that's a good outcome, and if the perp lived then he no doubt is in jail right now, right?
I saw a discussion like this a few years ago. What isn't being talked about here is placement. One interview was of an Special Forces operator and when asked the same question on calibers he said "if I put two in your heart and two in your head you won't know the difference." Placement. Not always an easy thing to accomplish,
@john pierre They all kill you, no question. The only question is, how effective are they, at killing you. A .22 has the change to just stop at your skull bone or deflect, this will next to never happen with a .357 Magnum. There also is a difference between a .308 which has enough power to release in to your brain to insure the brain stem comes of, which is a certain kill, or a 9mm which doesn't. See refernce of ex-cop called Headshots are NO Guarantee
There are no walls of ammunition here either, lots of empty shelves where ammo used to be, or hits the shelves and is gone in 16 minutes. Dam hoarders... Lol
It's very simple folks. The purpose is to either interrupt or shut down the central nervous system or greatly reduce the blood pressure of your attacker. I carry a 357mag because: 1. Revolvers don't malfunction when properly taken care of. 2. No matter how the attacker is dressed, winter or summer, it will penetrate to the vitals. 3. If I can't get the job done with 6, that's my fault because I didn't go to the Range and train.
I carry a .45 ACP because: 1. 1911s don't malfunction when properly taken care of. 2. No matter how the attacker is dressed, winter or summer, it will penetrate to the vitals - and beyond! 3. If I can't get the job done with 25 (9 + 2 spare Mec-Gar 8 round mags), I can always beat him to death with the 1911 in his weakened and perforated condition.
I carry a .380 because it's small, relatively light and doesn't tend to pull down my pants so much. A larger gun I probably wouldn't carry. I just hope that the Precision One ammo (and my aim) will be effective if needed.
I carry a .380 for the same reason and carry always. About a year ago I started loading it with Underwood Ultimate Defense. I believe that bullet design is the future.
Very cool video. I come from a family of cops and businessmen and though I chose the business path, I learned a tremendous amount from the LEO’s. The one common denominator was always, what works best for you with regards to shot placement? To this day, I have two EDC weapons that I carry depending on attire and location, a Springfield XDs .45 with a Bladetech IWB holster and Speer Gold Dot HP or a S&W 442 with a DeSantis Grip Clip and Hornady Critical Defense rounds. I train 2 to 3 Times p/month with these and am very proficient with both. At the end of the day, I train with one very important thing in mind and that is the fact that I am armed for a very specific purpose and that is to defend myself and my family! I am not a superhero and these tools do not make me immortal nor am I out looking to fend off the next terror attack. In my humble opinion, as long as you act responsibly, put in the work and, most importantly, recognize the limitations of the tools that you have, any round has merit and can be a useful tool in a pinch!
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J Calhoun I agree with buying QUALITY! Stealth Gear AIWB & N82 Holsters are VERY high quality! S.G. is twice the price as N82, though... The Quality is pretty much equal, though.
J Calhoun Btw, I was just looking at their holsters. Jackson Leatherworks is someone I was thinking about, but I'm glad that I stuck with N82 & Stealth Gear!
The 5.7 round should now be included in this group. I was a street cop for 33 years saw a lot of people shot with handguns, most were 22’s, and 9mm, and it’s all shot placement. For me you want accuracy and high capacity with low recoil, good penetration and fast follow up shots. The 5.6 offers all this, the only problem is nobody makes a compact 5.7 pistol yet, and it’s an expensive round to practice with.
Even extensive training simply isn't statistically necessary for the average citizen. Fact is, you are more likely to drown in your bathtub, looking at the numbers, than get into an armed conflict with another person in your lifetime. If you're not in organized crime, military, law enforcement, or some other special high-risk high-profile position, basic conflict avoidance skills are all that is needed. In the highly improbable event you need more than that, just having a gun is another deterrent as most crimes of opportunity will seek an easier target and the conflict has ended. In the remote statistical probability that even that isn't good enough, even shooting say a home intruder with a 22LR a few times is likely enough to get them to cease and desist as its just not worth it. So IMO a 9mm wins because you can get smaller 9mm pistols than 45ACP pistols, and its more than adequate in getting an attacker to cease attacking. Anything more and you've already abandoned need and transitioned into "want", and when it comes to want, just buy whatever makes you feel good because at that point its really all that matters. If you feel more powerful/cool w/ a 45, buy a 45.
@@BoopSnoot While your statements are, largely, accurate, so is the other guys. Your average person is unlikely to ever need to draw their carry pistol. However, if you're going to carry it, you should be proficient enough in its use to effectively hit the target. No, you don't need to try and replicate SERE training, but you should certainly put in the time at the range to make operating your firearm second nature.
im partial to my old dependable .45 acp. if im going to use a pistol its gonna be close combat and .45 is a great close combat pistol ive carried this same 1911 for over 35 years and its like an extension of my arm anymore.
The old reliable is still reliable. I place more than a little faith in the bullet weight and diameter (especially after hollowpoint expansion) delivering more damage.
I have always carried 45 acp. As I'm getting older I find the 9mm easier to carry all day. If I'm only going to be gone a short time the 45 us my first choice most because I've practiced with it more
24 year retired Paramedic. And a vet. I agree about people reacting different to hits. I had a couple in their 70's. Husband shot wife 4 times in torso with a .45 ACP 1911, then himself in the head. Wife called 911, then walked to recliner and sat down. In her 70's. I carry 9mm HST 124+P gr.
Hunting for 40+ yrs. has shown that you are right as to different reactions to being shot, shot same place, same angle, same gun one runs for 100 yds. the other falls where it stands, no real visible wound difference, same internal damage, no visible difference after skinning, now if I could just once have them run toward the truck
I carry a Charter Arms Bulldog 44 special. After researching on which round has the best expansion in that caliber I went with the Hornady critical defense rounds. I’ve found that one thing to look out for with 44 specials is that some hollow point rounds won’t expand because those projectiles were more designed for the 44 magnum. I’d venture to say that it may be the same case for 38 special cartridges with projectiles more designed for the 357 as well.
There’s no such thing as a magic bullet everything is about bullet placement and training and what you can handle but that’s my humble opinion great video 👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸
Carry what you love, love what you carry. You'll make the needed adjustments in order to afford it only if you truly love what you are using to save your life or your family's.
I certainly thank you. I merely try to make informative videos. I mainly gain haters, so it's nice to know there are some folks that actually get what I am attempting to convey.
The advancements in ammo technology renders any research done Pre-2000's mute. 12 inches of penetration is obtained in all the major hand gun calibers. Its ALL about shot placement. A 22 Magnum or 25 is just as deadly with well paced shots, a 45 or 10mm is survivable if the shots are inaccurate. Me? I carry my "workhorse gun", a Gen3 Glock 19 with either Federal HST or Speer Gold Dot everyday. I practice twice a month with this gun. I also carry a 1911, an all steel Jericho 9mm, a Canik TP9SA 9mm, a Sig P226 40sw, a XDm 45, a CZ Sp01 9mm, basically I like my guns and I carry what I feel like carrying. The main thing is Practice and Speed. Most fights ARE NOT out at 21 ft, maybe for Cops because they are showing up to an already escalated situation. Us civilians? They happen within arms reach, and they happen FAST. I go to the range and never witness people practicing at, say, 7 ft and speed. Certainly no one is getting their heart rates up before shooting. I jog in place while loading the mag, then expel that magazine before my heart rate settles. Yes I get weird looks, and they ask "Why are you shooting at that target so close, and you aren't aiming?" Because, most situations where you need to use your weapon are over in 7 seconds. SPEED and PRACTICE, MUSCLE MEMORY and ACCURACY. Above all SAFETY and RESPONSIBILITY!
Most excellent post, sir. Amazing points. Lenny @ the Glock Store in San Diego seems to do very similar demo shooting in his YT vids, without the jogging/increased heart-rate aspect...but within about 6 to 8 feet showing amazing muscle memory and just robotic shot placement/aim.
You have done your homework! There is a gentleman that is one of the world's elite gunmen that I've seen his video can't remember his name but he said the same thing. Go jog or run fast to pickup your heart rate then load, shoot etc.. and you will definitely notice the difference. When you do this it's more like a real situation or confrontation.
I was involved in a hour long+ gun battle a couple decades ago as a law enforcement officer. The suspect was well armed and knew what he was doing. Anyway, he was shot at by officers from several agencies and units with 9mm, 40 s&w, 45 acp, 5.56 and a couple 870's. The suspect was hit by a couple 9mm, a few 45s and a couple 5.56 rounds and still kept firing. What stopped him? One pellet, yes pellet, of 00 buck. Why? Because it was the only projectile that struck him in a vital area, the base of the brain. All of the other rounds caused superficial wounds because of placement, distance and barriers. So what did I learn? It doesn't matter what you use. If a person is motivated and hell bent on causing damage, shot placement is far more important than the caliber or gauge used against him. Just train and become proficient with your choice of weapon.
Yeah I agree. Its being a marksman with the weapon you use. If you hit the target with an arrow that's all you have to do. Seen a video a guy did where he shoots a 9mm handgun 200 yards (has a spotter to help) which takes a while to even hit target with drop, spin & wind etc. But that round will kill no matter the distance if its on target.
Facts.
I can't even pretend to be an expert but that just seems like a logical conclusion.
Seriously, your story should be told every time that someone opens their mouth about "why didn't they just shoot him in the leg". Thanks for sharing.
This is so true but there are limits. Like a .22 for example has been known to have many survivors who get shot in the head point blank. But for most calibers above .22 i think ur right.
The problem is not everyone is leo and well trained. In a panic self defense situation ur aiming for the biggest target which is the torso or maybe the legs.
If you hit, u want the best possible stopping power to knock a man back.
U can easily shoot at the torso and have a fmj go straight through and the person can keep coming at you especially if theyre on hard drugs like meth or coke
The best caliber is the one you have in your hand when you need it.
@God's Forces on Earth CHINESE GURUTE DOES ME MOM PROUD!
Righteous..
Great answer on that one honestly but I gotta say I still love the 40.
Steve thats true
@Born Unloved Shut up.
As a new gun owner, I found this presentation to be very informative and full of common sense. Thanks! Just purchased a Sig P365.
That's an excellent firearm. I carry both a sig p365 and a glock 19 and have put several thousand rounds thru each flawlessly. The only downside of the sig is difficulty loading magazines but that's what you get with a 10 round mag in such a small platform.
@@anunpopularstance The Glock 19 as well as the Glock 23 are on my short list.
@@anunpopularstance Uplula magazine loader sure made my life easier.
@@dmlchannel3262 Yep, I agree. I have one
@Slick Yes, the P365 is my carry gun. At the store right now picking up my new Glock 19 MOS. I've been trying to get one for awhile. Gonna put a Holisun 507C optic on it.
As a 38 year vet of Texas Law Enforcement, and firearms Instructor, I find this well thought out and informative. All shooting success is focused on one thing and that's accuracy, so what you can hit with is what you should carry. Jerry, you danced around the one over shadowing factor in Law Enforcement carry weapons but did not quite nail it down, and that is that agencies like New York and others are driven by cost. This is very much why the Glock and the 9mm has seen so much service, budgets are controlled by others and cheapest is usually first. The effectiveness of the 9mm cartridge has improved greatly since I first carried one in the late 70's and during the 'wonder nine' years of the 80's I chose the 45. Later, working in plain clothes the 40 S&W was my choice, now retired I'm back to the 9mm for ease of concealment. Cost will always be a factor but in the long run what is your life worth.
I don’t carry a gun anymore, but when I did I went through the same thing. At first it was a .45 ACP, then I went to a .40 S&W. Next was a 10mm then a .357 Sig in a sub compact Glock and I couldn’t stand the recoil. The one round I shot all the time though for several reasons was a 9mm. I finally said to hell with the others and carried a 9mm for the last 20 years or so. I carried a gun for right at 40 years and I don’t carry a gun anymore simply because I just don’t want to. If I ever do decide to carry a gun again it’ll be my Glock 26 or my subcompact XD in 9mm. Nothing is stamped in stone, but 90 some percent of the time gunfights end very quickly with very few rounds being fired. Why? For one very simple reason: NOBODY wants to get shot. I don’t want to get shot with a Daisy Red Rider BB gun let alone anything that uses gunpowder as a propellant. The very best scenario is still a trip to the hospital if you get shot, the worst scenario is quite obvious. Anyway, best wishes to everyone. Last, if anyone ever questions your caliber of choice, I guarantee you they wouldn’t wanna be shot with it. They’re just like anyone else, they don’t want to be shot with anything no matter what caliber it is.
Good analogy. I say carry what you're comfortable handling and firing accurately.
I shot 44 mag with full magnum loads for years and only had problems with 1 or 2 hand loads that were so hot they would shoot about 8 - 10 inches of fire out of the barrel and it would jar your teeth. Needless to say I didn't use those anymore. Other than those incidents I enjoyed shooting and hunting with it but it was too big for EDC. I carried a Glock 20SF for over 7 years and now I carry a Kimber 1911 in 10mm. I also have a Glock 23 but I'm more comfortable with the Kimber 1911.
Some can't handle the recoil and accurately fire anything bigger than .380, 38, or 9mm. If that's what they're comfortable with that's what they should use. It's better to be able to hit your target with confidence than hit everything but the target with a larger caliber.
@@duaneadkins1261 I agree 100%. A high caliber handgun is of no use at all if you can’t hit your target. I’d rather hit someone as many times as needed with a .380 than to miss them altogether with a 45 ACP or whatever caliber it may be. Hits count and there’s no getting around it.
After trying out the single stacks, I like the G 48 MOS more than my prior G26. Yes, in almost all situations, the 9mm will get the job done, and it is a relative soft-shooter.
You have commitment issues
Indeed I carry a Glock 26 Gen 4 with the plus 2 base and a Desantis holster, so I have a total of 13 rounds at my disposal with a gun that I truly love.
Spent 9 years in emergency medicine. Seven as an Advanced EMT (paramedic) Two years as a basic EMT. My observations on the street lead me to believe that it is not caliber that counts as much as what the bullet pierces. I've seen failure to stop with .44 Rem. Magnum.(arms and legs, not torso) But have seen people dead before their body hits the ground.(central nervous system hits) My advice (for what it's worth) is to carry whatever firearms you can CONSISTENTLY hit with. BTW most fatalities from pistol cartridges were from.22 lr rimfire and .357 Magnum. Twenty two's have enough power to enter the chest, then bounce around like a pinball. 357magnum due to hydrostatic damage, ie the projectile is breaking the sound barrier. Just my 3¢ worth (inflation adjusted)
THANK YOU!! Everybody loves to run around "oh look at me and my .45...or 10mm or..... whatever makes you feel superior. SHOT PLACEMENT, folks. Shot placement.
Thank you for this. Yes, there is a plethora of trauma surgeon testimony, that they cant tell the difference between handgun wounds, except for a small number of specific bullets that create signature wounds.
I really like your comment Drake. I'm very interested in the 22TCM or 5.7x28 because they theoretically cause damage with a temporary cavity similar to how a 5.56 or 5.45 works. Fort Hood was a case study for 5.7 and center mass hit lethality.
Drake Savage I'll post the article when I find it. The goat tests. How many guys took all 16 or 17 from 9mm . How many .44 mags guys took to the torso and sat on the curb waiting for you to show up. Just because you're shot doesn't mean you're out of the fight. Or dead. This has been done to death. It's not even a legitimate topic anymore. It started with Elmer Keith and friends and by 1980 all that could be said was said. Doesn't matter how many new clamberings ,icls, Peter Pi bullets....waste of time to discuss preference as statistic based fact.
Machinen Kanone *I am familiar with the goat testing. Very scientific. PETA would never allow anything like this today. But please do post it for those who may be unaware. They were using FMJ, if memory serves, and this proved that in a war setting a large caliber, heavy slug is what you want.
If you are reading this and you open carry or conceal carry, thank you. You're making the world a safer place for everyone. I don't care what you carry, as long as you practice with it enough to hit what you aim at.
Well said!
Amen brother! But remember a bad guy alway's conceal carries so watch you 6!
A gun is still a tool to make killing people easier. So only a person who is NOT carrying any gun is making the world a safer place.
@@joeysweet9045 ... watch your* six.
@@einundsiebenziger5488 Pacifism gets more people killed. There are always going to be evil people in all walks of life. Do you seriously believe a person intent on hurting someone gives a damn whether there use a gun, knife, baseball bat, fists, etc. Having a gun at least puts you on equal footing with that person.
I worked as an armed guard for several years, started off carrying a 1911 style 45ACP, then switched to a .40s&w Springfield XD and have stuck with that. The .40 is much lighter of a gun and carries more rounds with good "stopping power". I always use a good hallow point round for less penetration though. Thanks for the video.
Lighter is not always better. Yes it's less weight to carry around but the other side of the coin is does saving weight mean carrying something in a caliber which lacks stopping power? Or do you still go for the light gun in a stopper caliber and accept the increased recoil and muzzle flip? If it meant a meaningful caliber in a controlable platform I'd happily accept more weight.
My definition of an effective is that if the target can still shoot back it wasn't effective.
.40 S&W with Federal Premium HST's is my choice
180 grain
I would just like to say a special "thank you" to all the folks who went with the "The 40. is dead" marketing.... Cause I love the price reduction in 40cal ammo.... ;-)
I really like .40 S&W. I sold my G27 and G22. I have not checked prices recently with the .40, so a lower price point is news to me. Another thing I've noticed is a hoard of police Trade GLOCKS chambered in .40 for a great price.
And 40 cal handguns now are much cheaper. Supply and demand.
@@josephrodrigues2381 I just purchased a S&W SD40 from Academy for $299.00.
me too !!
More recoil than 9mm is pretty light criticism. Is that all? Ammo could be cheaper? It seems pretty effective, controllable, and available. Still can’t see why anything has an advantage over .40s+w. But on the other hand, 9mm is PROBABLY going to be enough to save your life.
Seems to me that these days the more important question is which caliber ammo can you get your hand on without getting a second mortgage.
So income is the issue huh? I guess ill take the 50 cal gi clock for personal carry... what are the odds that ill actually use a box of ammo on a person? Almost none.
Looked at 9mm but could nit get ammo where I live for it.
Lately I've noticed that .45 ACP is plentiful and priced decently. Might be my choice for a new gun.
10mm more available and cheaper than 9mm for me right now
@@georgemajors1 agree!
I live in Australia, so I carry a "strongly worded protest"
Oh now, careful there with that mate. You'll offend some c*** with it that desperately needed offending and you'll be up in front of a magistrate before you finish your beer.
Why did they give up so easily ??
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SO SORRY FOR YOU AND YOUR COUNTRY, BUT YA GET WHO YA VOTE FOR!!
Sam USA no they got what the vote cheating gave them
I carry concealed (every day) a Glock 30S 45 ACP with 230 grain Remington JHP (10+1) with lots of 13/round back up magazines on hand. I carry effortlessly and comfortably IWB using a Concealment Express carbon fiber holster at 0330. It's the caliber I was trained on as a young Marine and did some actual fighting with. It makes me feel good, warm and fuzzy inside. Over the years I tried to buy a box or two of 45 ACP every month and accumulated a healthy number of full ammo cans. I don't worry about not being able to afford to practice or just plink for fun.
Where do you live? In a war zone?
I am a .45 guy but I’ll still run a 9mm just because there nothing more painful than dieing to the metric system
kudos for metric joke
Mark Greene thanks lol it was the first thing that came to mind for the 9mm
Or dying in English:)
Lol damn imperial/metric bs
lmao, good one.
I carry a scowl around town because I live in Canada. But it's a darn impressive scowl.
😂😂😂😂😂...I'll bet it is. Thanks for that.
Carry a hockey stick.
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I know how you feel bud iam in toronto
@@tomhecht6068 .if we ran down the street hitting people with hockey
Sticks I guess Trudeau would try and ban them too
I was an ER nurse for thirteen years. I've seen 380s do a number on people on several occasions. We're talking multiple organ involvement with a single bullet. I've also taken several shooting classes and the truth of the matter is shot placement trumps whatever handgun caliber someone is trying to set on a pedestal. As long as you get 11-13 inches of pen in ballistic gel through layered denim, carry it with confidence.
This comment is the most valuable information ive read in over a hundred comments. Someone with practical relevant knowledge. Thank you.
@@jesseredfield8194 thanks!
Yep a good shoot yo the head would do the trick on anyone!
Just yesterday I was at my favorite local ammo store with some questions concerning ammo for my new S&W, the best advice I got was for home or personal defense several brands they carried were all good, but most important in their opinion was use a tactical round and make sure no matter what I bought or where make sure it was a bonded round. Buy the cheapest I could find in the weight and power of the tactical round for the range trips, to be used to how the gun acted with that size and load, then go home clean the gun and load the tactical rounds.
We all know shot placement is key. But reality is you can't usually call a shot that exactly. The perp moves, you hurry a shot and off by an inch, etc.
For MOST defensive shootings, a 22 is sufficient. Carrying a larger caliber is just a little more margin for error if you have that 5% situation where a tough bad guy wants to fight it out.
Personally, I prefer a psychological stop where you don't have to actually fire. A 357, 44 Mag, or 45acp seem best for those.
But reality is, if you have to use it, anything you have and can score hits is better than just having your you-know-what in your hand.
My Dad used the Colt 1911 .45 cal in the S. Pacific during WW 2 and in Korea. He called it the people mover. I personally use a .38 Special just like Grand Pa who was a Cop for 30 years. Dad taught me Shot placement and follow up rather than caliber is the key.
But bigger is still better... IF you have shot placement correct!
I use a 12 gauge shotgun for home defense. I’ve noticed that the vast majority of the ammo marketed as “defense loads” or “tactical loads” are no different than ordinary buckshot...for more than double the price
@Evan Moyer I could maybe see the advantage shooting it at deer at 40+ yards but at home defense ranges it would be fixing something that isn't broke with a 12 gauge 8 or 9 pellet 2-3/4" load.
Buckshot is king. Bird shot will put a beating on someone, but buckshot has a higher probability for death. But birdshot typically won't go through multiple walls so less of a chance to hit people/things through walls. I personally load the first with birdshot, then subsequent shots with buck. Makes my first shot less recoil and allows me to atleast identify the target then get my bearings for the next shot.
Truth. Personally, I run 2 3/4" #4 buck for home defense. Cheap enough and _plenty_ effective.
Nittanyburg 20 I bought a shredder 12 gauge
Nittanyburg 20: Standard 12 gauge 00 buckshot will stop any human, even wearing body armor.
As a career police officer and detective for 21 years from 1970 through 191, I know firsthand that your comments and advice are well grounded in reality. After 10 years in Patrol, I was a homicide detective for roughly 11 years. I saw peopele die from gunshot wounds and I attended many autopsies. What yiou said is right--diferent people people respond diffrerently to being shot. The ONE thing I have found that is key to survival in a gunfight is bullet placement. That matters more than caliber. Thanks for your informative and thoughtful approach
Over my 24 years on the PD, I did pick up one very useful piece of information about being shot! Again, it is a matter of where you were hit, but it also has a LOT to do with what you expect to happen should the worst case become a reality. If you believe that being shot will kill you, then a survivable wound may well become a fatal one, if, on the other hand, you believe that anyone can survive being shot then you have a much greater chance of surviving even a near fatal body strike. Funny how the mind works in such matters, so I was taught that you can and will survive if you happen to be hit in a gun fight, and to keep on fighting so long as you are physically able.
But assuming you can master bullet placement... I'd say next thing is that a bigger bullet stops the target quicker. .45 vs 22. I don't think it's even a question.
Being a Law Enforcement Officer I have done tons of research on this very topic! I am just gonna say! Thank You for this video. It is by far hands down the best and most informative video I’ve watched on this topic.
I too am a 1980s kid 🧓🏻✔... I went thru phases too. I'd add a few things to this video but I agree with most of the remarks. Platt & Matix of the 1986 FBI Miami FL shootout were both US Army veterans: Airborne Ranger, MP(Military Police). SA Morales did in fact end the gun battle by using a 12ga pump shotgun. 🛡. NBC made a 1980s era TV movie about the incident. The rise of .40 & 10mm type rounds led to the return of the .45acp caliber. When the 2000s era 1911 Browning patent ran out many US gun firms like Para Ord(Para USA) Auto Ord, Colt, S&W, SIG Sauer, Kimber, etc all promoted 1911a1 style guns. 🤩. Over time & with vastly improved engineering, 9mm bullets, guns returned to the main focus of most cops, target shooters, CCW. The 9mm +P offers a lot. 😉
I will be glad to hear your opinion on the matter.
Speaking of bears - I can say a Llama .380 is a bit under powered when you come upon a bear unexpected. I was headed up to my favorite fishing lake. It is a long drive, and then a hike of several miles to the lake. Once on foot, and yet a mile or more from the lake, I heard a bawling like a city dog, down below me, with its collar caught on a piece of brush. I continued on, wondering what a lone dog was doing way up there. Later as I approached where you could first look down on the lake, there was a sudden violent thrashing in the brush 20-30 yards off the trail. I had never experienced such violent thrashing before. I stepped over next to a big Douglas Fir tree, to see if I could see what was causing the noise beyond there. As I looked I could see nothing, not even any motion. But there was moss and pieces of bark falling on me out of the tree, but the thrashing was quite alarming - No growling or roaring. I kept trying to see what was making such a racket. Then suddenly the thrashing stopped.
I took that moment to look up in the tree. There was the prettiest Golden Bear cub you ever did see, hanging onto that tree, looking down at me. The morning sun was just shining down on him making it the perfect Walt Disney photo. And me without a camera.
Right then it hit me. I knew from Walt Disney's wildlife movies, a Mama bear will send her cubs up a tree when she senses danger. I knew right then I was in the wrong place at the wrong time! I was closer to the bear cub than Mama bear! I needed to get the hell out of there!
All I had was my fishing pole and gear, and my Llama .380. I had never felt so unprepared in my life! Was the .380 loud enough to slow down an angry mama bear? Probably not. Were the bullets capable of slowing her down any? I didn't want to have to find out. I drew the Llama, just in case. I put a round in the chamber and had 7 in the magazine. I kept looking towards where the thrashing had been, and looking either side and behind me, every few steps backwards. I kept backing up until I was well out of sight of the Fir tree. Once I felt it was safe I turned and hurried back to the truck.
I've never seen or heard a bear since. But when you go into bear country, you need to take enough stopping power, just in case. I'm fine with a .357 on me, and a .308 in the truck. Whatever you do, do not get between a mama bear and her cub! And don't run. A big fat bear can outrun a horse from standing start. And they love to chase things running away from them.
I must applaud the common sense perspective of this video. Great points presented flawlessly.
Ma’am, may I ask what you carry? I’m exploring carry guns for my fiancé.
@@kenhutcherson5639 I have a smith and wesson sd 9, shield ez 380, and an lcp 380 depends on the day. But I'd suggest the 9mm over the .380s it has less recoil but if you have the funds get her a m&p 9 2.0 its like the ez but less recoil more capacity and is reliable. I bought my guns for different purposes. The sd is for capacity, the ez is for reliability, the lcp is for concealment. With the m&p you have all except concealment hence why I suggest it.
I typically carry 9mm for the weight, capacity, and cheap practice. When I hike in the mountains though, I pack a 1911.
That 1911 better be at least 10mm, because .45 ain't gonna do much against wildlife.
@@blib3786 45 has successfully killed many bears. Just don't use a hollow point. Use regular target ammo, better penetration
@@andrewn.5117 Standard loads or +P/Super? I wouldn't think a normal .45 would be enough to kill a bear, but I've been wrong before.
I PACH A 2 INCH 44MAG WHEN I HIKE IN TH HILLS, MOUNTAINS, OR THE CITY HAHAH
@@blib3786 yes regular hard ball ammo. 45 has killed many bears. +p is definitely better if you have it. Super would be the best choice if your pistol can handle it.
He said 9 to $10 in 9mm.
Cries in 2021!
We Brazilians pay for just 10 cartridges what an American pays for a box of 50. If expensive ammunition prevented crimes, our country would be the safest in the world.
35$ for a 100 round of 9mm in 2021 im going to them
Today in mid 2024, I regularly find 50rd boxes of 9mm steel cased FMJ target ammonas low as $10 and brass as low as $12 just at Academy sports
@@keithrange4457 honestly not too bad considering inflation but 45 prices are insane
I was a Police Officer back in the early 70’s. The first time I was shot was at night in a gun fight while working plain clothes. His first shot we were approx 30’ apart and I return one shot. Thinking I would have to chase him was my first mistake. When the mussel flash dissipated he was about 10 feet closer and running at me. I fired 4 more shots hitting him in the chest four times. With the sixth shot my hand was on his chest when I fired and he ran into me knocking me to the ground. Standing over me he fired five rounds from a 32 caliber automatic pistol hitting several times. My partner then engaged him with a 12 ga shot gun at under 6 feet as he attempted to flee. Took 6 rounds of. 00 buck to bring him down. I had hit him 4 out of 6 times with my 38 revolver and never even slowed him down. Took 6 rounds of 00 buck to finally end this incident. He was an average size man 5’9” tall 170 lbs according to the autopsy report he was hit several times with 38 cal rounds and multiple times with a 12 ga yet no alcohol or drugs found in his system. I had carried a 44 magnum while in uniform but to big to carry while in plain clothes. Don’t think it would have made much difference in this case but who knows.
I have read a storry like that of a leo who hit the agressor with 45 acp about 10 times even with hits in the lung and heart but he still was shooting back. Finally a head shot stoped him.
The caliber doesn't matter if your shot placement is good. , unless the perp is on something.
In the 1980's, I was a deputy sheriff, standard sidearm was a .38 special. I've seen a double tap to the chest end the fight.
Then I've seen 2 officers empty their revolvers into a geed up doper and just slow him down, it took 2 blasts from a 12 gauge to stop him. I train a 3 shot pattern, 2 center mass, 1 shot to the head. Use something that you will carry & practice. A .380 in the hand beats a .45 in a drawer.
My thoughts exactly! Please see my remarks up top. Thanke!
"Sir... I fired my issued M-9 until my enemy stopped or "Sir... I fired my M 1911, and my enemy stopped" actual report !
True but shot placement is the factor we have the least control over in a real gunfight. No matter how well you shooting is on paper targets. Hardly anybody I debriefed after ma shooting incident told me they even 'knew' the pistol had sights on much less use them. That's what happens, adrenaline chages everything. This is not theory with me either.my friend
@mikegrotting depends were you hit them in the head
Two center mass, one head: standard Navy SEAL pattern. That’s what took Bin Laden down.
I just turned 65. I'm a little older than you. I shot IPSC/USPSA back in the days when Robby Leatham and Doug Koenig were the smoking guns of the sport. I read everything I could find written by Jeff Cooper and Massad Ayoob. I had spent 4 years in the USMC from '75 to '79. So having been introduced to the 1911, carried and trained with it at a very impressionable age, no one could ever talk me out of the .45 acp...end of story. Jeff Cooper hated the 9mm. Massad called it a "mouse gun". So after watching your video and reminiscing, I look at the evolution of my own personal carry gun and have to say...Wow! Things do change. I'm carrying a Glock 43x with the 15 rd Shield Arms mag and another with a 5 rd extension for the reload. I still carry a 1911 in either 10 or 45 from time to time but I always have to ask why anymore. I guess you hit the nail on the head with your summation. Carry what you are comfortable with, can train with, and most importantly, can hit with. Good video, man!
I carry a .40 my wife carries a .40 my dad carries a .45 my mom carries a 9mm my boss carries a .380, he's 100% correct it's all about what you personally are the most comfortable and qualified to carry.
i carry a crossbow pistol with a bee hive on the end of it and i identify and a submarine detection dolphin. how effect is this for my self preservation?
I kinda go a bit towards overkill, my personal preference for carry is 10mm
I feel sorry for you people that are ready to shoot and kill others 👎
There's an old story (witnessed by Doc Holiday i believe) where a gentlemen guts into a duel with 2 brothers. They started at over 100 paces and the two brothers open up. The lone gunman keeps his iron holstered and walks towards them through a hail of bullets. When he gets close enough he pulls and kills them both.
I remember reading this in high school. The quote attributed to Doc was in summary "accuracy is the most important aspect of shooting"
I believe it might have been Wild Bill. He pulled stunts like that.
Stopping power is based on shot placement
Toby Henderson hope the wind isn’t in your face when you spray it
@@eastcoaster3943 Better hope you're not indoors as well.
@Toby Henderson if I'm forced to draw my gun on you for your actions you're getting a full clip to the head. End of stupid discussion.
@Toby Henderson You need to read an indepth narrative of the infamous Miami Dade FBI Shootout with two (2) well armed bank robbers. Six (6) rounds was NOT enough. Firearms News had a very detailed write-up and critique. Google it, read it, read it again. If it doesn't scare you, you're not worth worrying about. I was wearing a badge when it took place. Changed LE tactics & weaponry forever.
Good point, Matt. I wondered why he didn’t mention that also. Train for grouping in whatever caliper would work, I would think.
I carry a 105mm Howitzer with one round in the chamber...
wonderbee100 doesn't it chafe?
Is that in an IWB holster?
It doesn't chafe and I carry it around using 6x6 M939 military truck...
wonderbee100 And no back up rounds?dont you have kids?mine carry my 155 howitzer rounds somewhat...fine.
They're 9.....yup....
Finally an end to the caliber debate! LOL!
I carry 10mm +P because here in Alaska Grizzlies are my neighbors and I'm not worry about over penetration.
Im not also
Then you should possibly carry a .500 S&W Magnum.
You'd better have damn good aim and be able to hit that grizzly in the heart, otherwise a 10mm is just enough to piss off a 500 or 600 hundred lb beast.. with a skull hard enough to ricochet bullets, thick fur and hide, 10-12 inches of fat. No to mention they can run fast enough to charge and cover 30-40 feet in a couple seconds.
@@matthewhartup941 Must be pretty small bears at 500 lbs! Grizzlies are 1200 lbs and Kodiak bears are 1500 lbs.
@@matthewhartup941 when a griz is charging, you better have good aim no matter what caliber you have. Having 15+1, I will take my 10mm over most. Much less recoil compared to say a .41 or .44 mag, but I will still take 700+ ft lbs with 16 shots, over 6 (yes more powerful I know) of the mighty magnums . Isn't it all about shot placement mostly with all calibers? Just my .2 cents.
Back in the late 80's I took a series of week-long lethal weapons courses with Mas Ayoob. Your video clip reminds of the classroom lectures with Mas. Thank you. You asked at the end of this what do I carry: I have had a CCW for 30 years.....in 3 different states where I've lived. Sig 228 9mm is my carry all this time. (Sig Sauer did a service refresh a couple years ago.) Corbon 115gr JHP. 1350 fps rated. I remember the debate about back then 9mm vs 45 ACP (Jeff Cooper). Mas taught what part of the body to shoot at, combat stance, etc. Been out of guns for several years......but activating again bc of the hatred in America that has occurred/ come to the forefront of everyone in America in the past 4 years.
Thanks to democrats.
@@andreawhalen4142 actually, thanks to shitty parenting
I have several different caliber guns but my go-to for home defense is a 10mm. I can handle the recoil just fine. With the 1st round being the most important, I find the striking energy the 10mm provides is really hard to beat in a semi auto platform.
A .380 in the hand is better than a .45 left at home.
A .380 to the chest is better than a .45 to the bicep.
no not really actually. if you look at the revised tests the 40 is actually no better and sometimes worse than the 45. plus it seems the 40 is way harder on the guns and many leos are going back to the 9 or the 357 sig. the 40 was a knee jerk action by the fbi. its a good round but has lost much of its stream due to several factors the main one being the wear and tear on the guns compared to the 9 and the 45. not bad mouthing it, but its not really better than the 45, maybe the 380, but not the 45 or 9 in my opinion with the new data out now..
agree 100%. there is a reason it is still around and very popular today. the 40 is dying quick. 9 mm or 45 in my book. if I want more I would go to the 10mm. to me a 40 is like choosing to drive a 6 cylinder over the v8. go 4 or 8 the in between is sorta the least of both worlds not the best.
I never understood the logic of your statement. If you are armed with a .380 mouse gun, it means you DID NOT forget to bring a gun with you. So, if you remembered to bring a gun, why on Earth would you choose a .380? There is no answer you can give me that would ever change my thinking.
When I was a cop, one of our guys was ambushed by a guy he locked up several times. This was at arms length, car to car. My buddy took 5 .380 hits and returned fire with a S&W J frame .38+P's.
Bad guy lost for 2 reasons. His .380's all passed thru a leather police jacket which absorbed so much energy, NONE of them penetrated over one inch!
Reason #2, of my buddy's 5 shots, 3 were later determined to be lethal hits to the head & neck. The other 2 were arm hits.
Point is, Bring EnoughGun! Carrying a gun is supposed to be comforting, not comfortable.
ed, i get what you are trying to say but your info is a bit one sided I think. so in your scenario, what if the guy with the 380 had shot your buddy in the head instead of the leather jacket?? the results would have been way different!! a 380 is a great gun to carry for protection. hell a 22 is as well. head shot don't matter what the cal is. i carry both the 9 and the 45, but a 380 to the head is just as dead. to say bring enough gun is just not a very accurate statement for everyone. i agree i would have a 9 or 38 before the 380 but regardless to say a 380 is not lethal is simply not accurate. you being a cop ( my brother in law is as well), should know that the 22 LR kills more people than any. you know the gun you shoot the best is the one to have. thanks for your service by the way
Shooting is like real estate, location, location, location...
The best calibre is the one you have at hand. It all boils down to shot placement.
I live in Africa where I regularly use my sidearm (.40S&W) to shoot problematic baboons. A chest shot that shatters the heart will not stop it in its tracks, it typically still runs for about 10m before it drops. Same results seen using a high power rifle in .375 H&H calibre.
A head shot with the .40S&W will break the skull in pieces. I have had cases where the brain was lying about a meter behind the carcass. Those shots stops it where it stands.
A human is way way less resilient than a wild animal.
My point is, shot placement is the be all and end all. What ever calibre, a brain shot stops it in its tracks. A chest shot will not. A larger calibre is more forgiving to a bad shot as a little bit off target will still do a decent job
Wow a 375 h&h doesn't drop them baboons ? Even in the chest? Holy crap. I have a Ruger 375 I figured a 375 would make a baboon flip it hits so hard I e shot threw trees with that rifle before that's nuts. I've always wanted to come to your country and hunt $$$ is a issue these days though.
That is why 9mm is the best handgun caliber because you get more rounds to get your shot placement faster.
that is sooo racist.
@@masterofpuppets2004 I'm not sure why you're bringing race into the discussion when none of us mentioned any other human being. It seems like you're projecting your own insecurities onto the conversation. We were all talking about a certain type of firearm, not people. Unless you consider baboons, monkeys, bears, and dogs to be part of the human race, no humans were mentioned. Please do not cause conflict where there is none to be found. We are all peace loving people enjoying an conversation about a subject we care about. We don't care about or want to get involved in sick race wars, those we leave to people like you who have nothing better to do.
If you are a racist, I encourage you to watch this video as it might help you to find the light ua-cam.com/video/_KM1ANWbrIY/v-deo.html
@@masterofpuppets2004 no!!!! LoL!
I don’t carry anything as I live in the U.K. and our rights to own a handgun have been removed. You guys over in the USA don’t realise how lucky you are. I intend to visit the USA and I am going to learn how to safely handle and shoot a handgun, maybe progress to an AK47 or M16, hopefully the full auto versions.
michael johnson lucky? define that term. I bet you a doughnut to the bakery your violent crime rate is significantly lower than ours. don't be hasty to assume the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. we have a unique and wonderful right to keep and bear arms. but there is a catch. with power must come responsibility. and more often than not, responceibility does not exist. in a perfect world, we could all own all the guns we want and nobody would misuse them for violence. but then there would be no need for firearms at all as it would be a perfect world. our reality is considerably darker than that. there will always be people that have no regard to human life. and don't care if they commit felonies to obtain and use guns in a violent mannor. then our government says we need more regulations. this only keeps us law abiding citizens from having these guns. criminals again care nothing about breaking the law. they already intend to murder you. what's another fellony for possession?mean while, the laws keep us from having significant firepower to handle these situations. we will be at a disadvantage, while criminals have the upper hand.
and for the most part, the riffles you mentioned are not legal. here. there may be ranges where you can rent one. but we can't technically own anything full auto. or high capacity. civilian guns are getting strictly limited to what they determan as sporting use weapons. in other words, hunting. simi auto, low capacity.
@Richard Peterson Incorrect. Look up the statistics violent crime has skyrocketed in UK. Gun violence is down over there (obviously less guns less gun crime generally). But the OVERALL violent crime is up. Per capita they are worse off than us. And no, I have not provided a link to those stats because I am not your school teacher, find it yourself.
Thanks for the invite Richard - most appreciated. I have been doing some preliminary investigations regarding firearm tuition and whether as a visitor to the US if I can enrol on basic firearm tuition classes. It is my intention to ensure I take a course which will make me competent and, just as importantly, safe when handling or using a firearm. Any recommendations sir? I also hope to visit a few gun shows. I am after a few parts for my deactivated MP40. Again, any ideas on the best shows to visit which focus on WW2 militaria?
My point is Richard is that you guys in the USA have the CHOICE to legally own and use firearms, we in the UK do not. If I moved Stateside I would primarily own a handgun to protect both me, and more importantly, the members of my family. The only people with guns in the UK are the criminal fraternity, and that’s just not FAIR.
I met Ed Mireles the FBI agent that used the shotgun to finish the Miami gunfight. He was a guest speaker at my police firearms instructor class. He spoke at length about the incident and how the stress induced during the battle affected his reactions.
Nice video, I was a .45 everyday carry guy, then ironically enough I started carrying a .380 LCP II. Now I carry a 9mm and every once in a while I carry the Shield .40, but the .45 is never far away. Sometimes I backup with the Ruger 57, not for stopping power but suppressive fire if needed, it has 20 rds and more accurate beyond 20 yds than any of the others with little to no recoil.
$9 or $10 dollars a box... lmao, those days are long gone!
now those prices can be per round.
Picked up 50 9mm rounds 16 and some change. The deals are out there
@@dakotrondakota9084 let me guess. You got that cheap dirty ass steel case rounds? Tulammo?
@@Gmgfjv no actually it was brass case. Literally just a good deal. 50 rounds of .45 for 26.99 as well.
@@Gmgfjv just picked up 150 m855 for 89.99. Gotta get there when the shipment does lol
this story has a lot of extra details I won't waste your time with.
I was carjacked and kidnapped by a gang member who carried me to the kill house. He sprayed me in the eyes with pepper spray and hit me over the head wit a claw hammer.
when I cam too he said very politely, "I'M going to kill you now. I staggered to my feet, and told him I had a large sum of money in my bill fold. ("Which I did not)' But as carry was illegal back then in Texas, I couldn't carry anything what so ever that could imprint at all.
Being ex LEO, I still had the habit of carrying a back up behind my bill fold.. A tiny North American Arms .22 loaded with Stingers. I told "him hands behind your head, on your knees, your under arrest". He laughed and charged.
First shot center mass, second slightly off, third in head.
Later the ME told me the first or second Stinger blew the lower third heart to hell and back. The second just missed. The third glanced off the skull.
We fought like hell until he expired crying for his mother. I was pretty beat up
Moral of this story, It takes more than shot placement. Yes, it killed him. It did not however, stop him. With near perfect shot placement, from a man blinded by pepper spray and hit overy the head with a claw hammer. Luckily I had been shooting handguns, some with the sights removed since I was 7 or 8 years old, starting with an old pump pellet pistol handed down from my uncles. No sights, and learned to hunt squirrels in trees with it.
when the Feds returned my little pistol after the grand jury, they ask if I needed anything else. Yep I said, A M-60 in a leg holter and I'll walk around like chester. I'm not going thru this again!
I helped get the carry laws passed in Texas, and now carry a nice .45 1911 TRS by my old racing buddy Les Baer.
It has gotten me out of a few alterations since.. Does a hell of a job on a vehicle in a drive by.
The perp was Satan Disciples. A few of his friends came looking for me. They found me. They are all in prison. A good thing!
KnifeMaker
Mike L I don’t know which movie you ripped that out off, but I hope they won’t charge you.
People are so engrossed in movies, (Fantasy,) that they cannot absorb reality at all. Wish it had been a movie. . I became basically a recluse for quite a good long time after the incident. Cost me darn near everything i had.
Knife
Marko, I did have to go to Grand Jury. Was not charged, No Billed!
Thank you for your concern. Even if born of hatefulness and ignorance. It takes all kinds. KnifeMaker
Mike L If my comment has been bothering you so much that you had to answer a second time, I am truly sorry.
Thats a great 1st hand account of the realities of caliber stopping power.
The flip side however, what other gun would you have been able to hide in your back pocket behind your wallet?
I love those little NA guns, never fired one, but held a couple. Great craftsmanship. And a 22 is definitly better than a balled up fist.
Glad you made it thru that :)
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Well said. My thoughts exactly.
Not nearly as bad TheYankeeMarshall
Yes; that is a sad case. Lord, have mercy.
G17 for the duty gun, G26 for the concealed. I’ve seen plenty of gun shot victims and I’m convinced that caliber means very little, it’s what gets hit that counts. Higher Magazine capacity gives you more rounds to put on target, more opportunity to hit something that stops the threat. Throw in ammo costs for training, and that’s why I carry 9mm.
I would think adrenaline in the subject has a lot to do with whether they are going to stop when shot. Also, in my humble opinion, if you want stopping power, use a shotty. That will not only stop something, but is likely to knock them backwards, vest or not vest. Shotty is the ultimate disruptor.
The best caliber is the one you will hit the target with
Amen to that 🙏🏾
.22lr?
Great video. Shot placement is everything. I was an officer in a large midwestern city during the 1970s and 80s. We were issued SW model 10, .38 caliber revolvers. They worked, and they worked very well largely because of shot placement. I now carry either an MP 2.0 3.6 9mm or MP Shield 2.0 performance center for one reason. I shoot them both extremely well-period with excellent shot placement. Again, very imformative video.
the biggest threat to our lives are McDonalds drive through lanes
That too is a personal choice.
You can say that again lmao
WRONG. Skip the fires and shakes, double up on the burgers and you are eating a low carb, high protein diet, as nutritionist have been urging for at least a decade.
Whiplash only problem with that, so much preservatives your gut is unable to digest it.
lies! the biggest threat to our lives is the passing of time. Lets get deep and philosophical brohamsky.
Jerry, you hit the nail exactly on the head: the best caliber is the caliber in which you can handle, play shots where they need to be, and stop the attacker. The round is not dependent upon the caliber rather the effectiveness of the person who is wielding the firearm.
One more additional thing, if you can please the round in the T-zone of the head, the assailant is not likely to get up and recover from a head wound of that sort. That is why we have taught a lot of our CTTs to use the two to center of mass and one to the head regiment for dealing with a hostile.
I love my 1911 10mm its heavy and the recoil is very manageable.
I Have A Delta Elite. 10mm Is Great Gun, Just A Pain In ass To Carry. Especially If You Do Physical Work Every Day
I have a colt 1911 10mm. After about 10000 rounds, I sent it to colt , and had it rebuilt. I also had 30 lpi chechering and tritium sights added. I carry this pistol and hunt deer and it has a holster on my bed. I love my 10mm .
Russell Snook How long it took you to reach 10k rounds?
I do love my Colt Delta Elite. It is a big heavy and large for concealed carry. It goes with me hunting though in a Galco OWB holster. Haven’t shot a deer with it yet, but have given the coup de grace to 2 deer.
I have a .380 Ruger LCP for every day, and a Glock27 .40 so people don't laugh at me when I go to the range.
I actually want to buy the .22 LCP II next, because it's cheap to practice.
Nice little .22 if you can actually pick it up for list (or less **fingers crossed** but never counting on that).
Honestly, most firearms aren't cute little bastards, but dammit if it's not a cute little bastard w/ panache.
The Ruger LCP II .22 is a nice little gun. very easy to operate. It fits in your pocket, but carries 10 rounds. Modern .22LR is not your grandfathers 22LR. I have rounds that expand to .30 when hitting a water jug, and I have rounds that pass through 2 inches of fresh pine, out of a short barrel pistol. It really is a viable self defense round.
@@EconAtheist I think the .22 is too light but I have also thought about the Ruger. It is a short, easy slide to rack and, with basically no recoil, still makes it a valid consideration. Good luck !!! I laughed when you mentioned you took a 40 to the range. There are a lot of purists out there but ultimately it is your choice and comfort level. I get lot of criticism about my fondness for Taurus. I have carried Taurus 9mm and 40 S&W pistols and all have worked. In the woods I have carried Taurus revolvers in 357m and 454 Casull. Great guns !
I like all guns shit I even get a 22 better than nothing have fun at the range ammo price is right
But nobody would want to stand infront of a .380
The best calibre by far is one that offends Wal Mart!
so all of them, noted
Your right screw walmart
J. Jennings, Now that fits!
10mm, Walmart sells everything else
Steven no
I started by carrying a Beretta 96 .40 cal, then went to a 9mm Smith and Wesson M&P, then a M&P .45, now I carry a M&P 10mm, the size and feel of the 10mm fits my hands great, the recoil isn't too hard to control, holds 15 rounds in a single mag, and has a red dot mounted to it so I have super quick target acquisition and better accuracy than the irons. Got it loaded with Hornady Critical Duty ammo, runs great and performs well on soft targets. If I'm conceal carrying I have a 365xl in my waistband loaded with 115 grain Winchester silver tips
My 2 cents on Going full circle. 40+ years ago I started carrying.38 caliber revolver as a police officer. As times changed, I was required to carry 357, then a 9 mm, and much later a 40 caliber semi-automatic. Now I am retired and have gone gone full circle back by carrying .38 revolver. The reason is:
1) from my experience I have better shot placement compared to semi-auto. I am more comfortable with a revolver.
2)revolvers are more reliable compared to semi-auto’s. No issues concerning jamming or failure to feed. Revolvers are more forgiving towards abuse.
3) there have been advancements in .38+p bullet performance
4) for me the .38 caliber snubnose are easy to conceal.
Don't know why 38 is often overlooked. Just look at the amount of powder behind it. Plenty of velocity. Maybe it's the crazy comments from a dirty Harry movie that they bounce off car windshields . Some believe that urban legend. Clearly they have not ever shot one or seen the damage a good +p hollow point can do.
Agreed. My favorite is the 357 Magnum but 38 is great. I run it often
@Craig Scott Revolvers can be had in 5 to 8 round capacity. Which should be more than enough if you use situational awareness and stay out of bad places. Most gunfights are over in 2 to 3 rounds. Speed loaders are also extremely effective if you take the time to learn them. High capacity is nice. I have a 19 shot 9mm beside my bed as we speak. But would be just as well served w a 6 or 7 shot 357 Magum. Much better stopping power. Stopping power is not a myth.
I carry a 3 inch 7 round .357 Magnum. It's extremely accurate and has a very controllable recoil. I carry it over my compact 9mm or my 44 Magnum. I'm also in agreement about the quality of the 38 Special +P. I use the Underwood 125gr jhp. It has great expansion and hits with close to 800 ft/lbs of energy. You have excellent comments and I respect your experience and service!
@@jsmith6589 As a police officer myself I heard way too many accounts of cops shooting a thug NUMEROUS times with their .38cal and still getting their ass beat or killed.
When he said 9 or 10 dollars for 9 mm, I had to check the date of the video. Yeah.
I did the same exact thing! 9mm is just as expensive, if not more expensive than 45 now.
Bang bang GOT’EM!!!
I think he might have been referring to 9mm reload which I used find in the 8-10 dollar a box range all the time at the shooting ranges but lately not so much. The only problem with reload is some guns don't like it and it gets your gun filthy dirty. But my Ruger P89 never cared. It shoots anything. You also get an occasional dud with reload.
40 is no more than 9mm
Ha...So did I. That pricing is long gone for now and may never return.
Aside from shot placement, modern bullet technology has made a huge difference in bullet effectiveness.
Yurr Next
Agreed!
Yurr Next I agree too. There are a lot of good rounds to choose from.
Bill Randall who would used .45 fmj with so many good rounds to choose from these days?
While in Iraq I witnessed several combatants shot with 45 ACP hardball
and nothing but devastating injury's , in one fight I was in, a fellow marine shot a haji center mass at eight feet in a house. He hit him center mass in the sternum and it hit his spine exiting , the exit wound looked like someone threw a softball threw him. No , I don't carry a .45 , I'm just telling you what I eyewitnessed . As always , only the first well placed shot counts in a fight.
Bravo Zulu Roha, your end all phrase is "As always , only the first well placed shot counts in a fight." Loyalty to a thing is ok, but if you cannot slap that bull's ass, all you have is horns and shit... That said, if it takes a deer it takes a peer. So BR, its like this, if the system works and someone can use it with precision...
Great video. I have been carrying 9mm for over 30 years. Currently it’s the Gold Dot 124 +p. I’m also the firearms instructor for my agency, so I purchase the rounds. One of my guys who is on a federal task force asked me why were weren’t switching to the Hornady round and I said, the Gold Dots work in our guns and everyone shoots them well.
I'd rather be missed by a .45 than hit by a .22. Grew up with that stopping power debate. Bullets can ONLY stop a person two ways.
1.) Shut down of the central nervous system.
2.) Asphyxiation. Blood loss to the brain causes unconsciousness and total body shutdown.
To achieve either of these, shot placement is key. A .22 in the brain is equally as effective as a .44 magnum... just a lot less messy. I once saw a photograph of the victim of a car accident. He had a fence post - 4 X 4 - clean through his chest and out his back. They had to take a chain saw and cut the post to take him to the hospital. Surprisingly he was still conscious. If you had placed a gun in his hand, he could have pointed it and pulled the trigger.
If a 4 X 4 fence post won't immediately render a person unconscious or dead... NOTHING you can carry is guaranteed to do so. Thus I would rather have as many rounds as possible in a package I can shoot accurately and dependably. For me, my choice is a 9mm loaded with Underwood's Xtreme Defenders +P+. If that won't get the job done... either I am having a very bad day or I am in the wrong line of work. Just my .02.
Benjamin Moore do you realize a plus P plus 9mm is essentially a 40 S&W nominal round?
+1 on the Underwood +P+ 9's. They cycle reliably in all of my 9mms, good for reloading too.
Bad Cattitude Well, it was pretty explosive... He was speeding in a car. The post went through his windshield and then through him.
I don't have a reply if you think a 4x4 post won't displace and destroy internal organs. 😉 Post placement like shot placement is everything.
tuckerT48 I have had similar results. Wound channel and stretch cavity in most cases exceeds hollow points. Penetration depth in calibrated ballistic gelatin maintains around 18" regardless of the barrier the projectile penetrates. MAC - Military Arms Channel tested these rounds thoroughly.
I would add a third way... Shock. Everyone reacts to injury differently, and although shock may not STOP them, it can render them ineffective in actively re-engaging. Those ft/lbs of energy when they hit a body are not wasted effort in ceasing escalation.
Love the 357 sig, accurate as hell and hits crazy hard.
But where the heck do you even find it?! I've given up on the caliber two years ago. It's ALWAYS very difficult to find and always costs $10 more per box (50 round boxes) than all the other calibers, even .44 Magnum! Ditched the barrel and switched to .40 S&W. Guess what? Ammo availability issues were severely reduced the last two years.
Excellent round! Yes, it's more expensive, but its benefits are worth the costs. I don't understand the detractors of this round..."A little too fast." WTF - it doesn't over penetrate, what's the problem?
Beowulf The detractors probably don’t really use it or never have.
@@largol33t1 i find 357 sig ammo everywhere. cabelas, the local gun shops, online and its not THAT much more in price for all the whining i hear about it. The sig Sauer brand practice 357 sig ammo is only $23 for a box of 50...thats damn near average price . There are brands that are expensive but there are others well within a budget range. and the Sig brand ammo is hot...1325fps 125 gr...same exact specs as their defensive ammo which only cost $19 for a box of 20 jhp nickel cased. i have thousands of these rounds in stockpile and im far from rich. I also use 10mm and its the same deal with the ammo...the SIg brand ammo has bulk packs for $100 for 200 rounds and its pretty warm ammo. 180gr about 1250fps. they also have 50 round boxes of practice ammo for $24. again, very little more than average and this is 10mm ammo... of course i have the boutique stuff like underwood, double tap, buffalo bore but not in bulk....also have a couple thousand in the stockpile of sig brand 10mm...very doable.
@@Bxwaveprince, I seen sig brand 357 sig v crown jhp for $16.99 a box of 20 while the rip was $55 for 20.
May I just say that this is one of the most sensible, rational and coherent videos I've come across on this subject. Well done!
My first pistol was given to me by my Dad. Before he bought it, we would go to an outdoor shooting range and shot his 357 Dan & Wessen. We would collect all the brass and start to reload hundreds of 9 mm rounds. We did not have 9 mm pistols. So My Dad bought me a Sig Sauer P226 back in 1989. I get further hand gun training from my uncle. My uncle taught me to shoot with one hand. I got proficient and built fundamentals of shooting where I could shoot any caliber. Many years after I graduated college and could afford purchasing more guns, I purchased a Sig Sauer P220 thinking of great knock down power. This 45ACP had more kick but was manageable. Fast forward to 2021 and got a Sig Sauer P226 357 Sig. The 357 Sig ammo was expensive but was available compared to popular rounds like 9 mm and 45ACP. Shoot the 357 Sig and found it to be very powerful yet manageable. Lots of muzzle blast / flash. I believe it has top knock down power than my P226 9mm and possibly better than my 45ACP with added accuracy in long range shooting due to its flatter trajectory from the extreme speeds it can attain. I just recently purchased a Sig P365 X 9mm with the Romeo Red Dot. Using John Corriea's shared videos on active self protection, most gun fight encounters result in wins by FIBS or fudge, I've Been Shot. So first to hit the opponent is critical to dominating a fight.
So I like the P365 X for its portability and ease of carry concealment. It also carries 12 + 1 so high capacity is there. Under a chaos or SHTF scenarios, I will primarily use my P226 357 Sig for incredible shooting distance accuracy and knock down power.
A well placed shot from a .22 is better then 6 missed shots from a .45.
Why miss with a 45? I can see not shooting if it jammed, but misses should not happen if you train enough..
Better *than*, fucktard.
Now do that with someone shooting back from that 20ft.
If you have missed six shot , you probably deserve to die , that's too is part of the natural selection .
No.His comment is something about a real world subject which sounds good but has no relevance in the real world so it's what you would call bullshit.
10mm for me . Im 55 been shooting it since my mid twenties. I reload though for practice. I have other calibers but 10 my favorite.
Great talk. I really appreciate it. I train and run a Glock 21 and was was happy with that for my personal defense. My agency issued a nine mm. Youvare correct, it is much easier to fire the nine mm. I am retiring soon and I am switching to a compact 9mm for personal safety carry only. I think your information was very helpful. Thank you.
fyi - I carry a S&W 9C - the best thing is it will take full size 17rd 9mm mags.So I carry 2 of them as spare mags. Shoots almost like my full size M&P Match gun.
I came across this and realized when I started I had seen this before. I ve heard. so many opinions in this issue
Your solution was the best advice I have ever heard and adopted it as my answer when asked . It makes so much sense , thank you.
I just bought a s&w 40 recently as my first gun. This is mostly due to the fact 9mm is scarce but also the 40 cal ammo is cheaper. I bought some PMC bronze hollow point 165 grain for learning and target practice. They dealer said it should be sufficient enough to stop an aggressor until I learn the gun and get some better home defense ammo.
Just purchased a 40 cal. Smith and Wesson M&P today. My 3rd pistol within a year. Now I’m waiting on my LTC here in Texas to arrive in the mail. Very informative video. 💯💯🇺🇸💪🏾
I'm waiting for 10 more days to pass and then nobody will need a LTC.
Finally someone making sense when talking about handgun rounds.
Good job with your video. I'm a vet, hunter, and life member of the NRA. I belong to 2 shooting clubs and practice frequently. The same applies to hunting wildlife and it does to stopping humans who intend to harm us, SHOT PLACEMENT. Add to that penetration and you have a deadly combo. I shoot .22, .357 Sig, 9mm , .40 S&W, and .45 ACP Kimber. Love them all.
This is the best explained caliber difference I have ever heard. The part wbere you said people react differently. Thats the biggest aspect.
I carry a .45 ACP XDm compact, EVERYDAY. Recoil doesn't bother me. When I talk to people about carrying, I tell them to carry what you are comfortable with or you won't carry it. Better to have a .380 on your hip than a .44 magnum in the safe at home. Personally, when you throw out exotic bullet designs, I like the idea of a nice heavy bullet. Garbage ammo in a .45 ACP is better than garbage ammo in a 9mm.
I know cops that have made the full circle back to 9mm, I know others that carry nothing but .45 ACP, whatever they are doing.
I don't fault anyone for what they carry, I commend them for carrying.
By the way, great video!
Thanks for hanging in and watching.
Totally agree. Something is better than nothing. My one buddy carries a .22 . He's comfortable with it and it has 10 rounds.
I shot a Robber 16 times with a .22 Winchester..he ran for 3 blocks. Nope, my life is worth more than a few pennies/round.
Not sure what you meant by that...the point is the perp RAN, you stopped him, and no one died, apparently.
I'd say that's a good outcome, and if the perp lived then he no doubt is in jail right now, right?
I saw a discussion like this a few years ago. What isn't being talked about here is placement. One interview was of an Special Forces operator and when asked the same question on calibers he said "if I put two in your heart and two in your head you won't know the difference." Placement. Not always an easy thing to accomplish,
"What do carry with you?"
"Whatever ammo I have bulk of."
I'm pretty sure shot placement wins over neverending velocity vs. mass debate 🇺🇸
Just use what you want. It's your life.
In my village, he who carries most vicious monkey usually takes the day’s harvest.
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Six shooter. My vicious monkey ran away when the first A-10 WATHOG flew over. Pilot smiled like Gerand Thumb.
The difference between the 9mm and all the other cartridges is that the 9mm can kill someone, whereas the other cartridges can kill someone. Got it?
Penetration (body armor?), recoil recovery, fragmentation capability, capacity. That about covers it.
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@john pierre They all kill you, no question.
The only question is, how effective are they, at killing you.
A .22 has the change to just stop at your skull bone or deflect, this will next to never happen with a .357 Magnum.
There also is a difference between a .308 which has enough power to release in to your brain to insure the brain stem comes of, which is a certain kill, or a 9mm which doesn't.
See refernce of ex-cop called Headshots are NO Guarantee
Cartridges don't kill but the bullet. So shit the same what caliber you using if you don't know to handle it.
16:12 when you are in a sporting goods store and you are looking at that wall of ammunition...
Cries in 2021 😭
There are no walls of ammunition here either, lots of empty shelves where ammo used to be, or hits the shelves and is gone in 16 minutes. Dam hoarders... Lol
The best caliber is the one that hits your target. I'd rather be missed by a cannon than hit by a BB gun.
Indifferent Centrist I see your analogy but I think I'd rather take a hit by a bb than have a cannon ball wiz by my head. That would suck. Lol
@dan j Do you even physics bro?
@dan j what?
If the cannon misses by a mile, then yeah. If the cannon hits anywhere near, say 30 yards of me, I'd rather be hit by a BB.
How about a 50 cal airgun?
It's very simple folks. The purpose is to either interrupt or shut down the central nervous system or greatly reduce the blood pressure of your attacker.
I carry a 357mag because:
1. Revolvers don't malfunction when properly taken care of.
2. No matter how the attacker is dressed, winter or summer, it
will penetrate to the vitals.
3. If I can't get the job done with 6, that's my fault because I
didn't go to the Range and train.
@@Updog69420 If you drop 6 the 7th is probably already running for the hills.
The 7th probably guessed he’s out of rounds. He’s balls deep at this point.
@@Updog69420 Well then I think hes about to have a bad day since he didn't notice the lady was carrying a 7 shot revolver.
Nick Knight I’d never leave it up to anyone to defend my asshole. I’ll keep my 17+1.lol
I carry a .45 ACP because:
1. 1911s don't malfunction when properly taken care of.
2. No matter how the attacker is dressed, winter or summer, it will penetrate to the vitals - and beyond!
3. If I can't get the job done with 25 (9 + 2 spare Mec-Gar 8 round mags), I can always beat him to death with the 1911 in his weakened and perforated condition.
I carry a .380 because it's small, relatively light and doesn't tend to pull down my pants so much. A larger gun I probably wouldn't carry. I just hope that the Precision One ammo (and my aim) will be effective if needed.
do what I did, look for gel test comparisons and even better, pork shoulder tests. See how it actually performs. Don't just buy the hype
+wilemelliott or, do yourself a favor and look up Paul Harrell's videos. He has, by far, the best gun educational channel on YT.
only thing wrong with a 380 is the accuracy, personally, I have a LCP, can't hit anything past 7 yards, 2.76 barrel is too jumpy for me I guess.
Most pistol 'shootouts' are within 12-16 feet. This includes police shootouts as well.
I carry a .380 for the same reason and carry always. About a year ago I started loading it with Underwood Ultimate Defense. I believe that bullet design is the future.
Gotta say, out of all the videos I have watched on guns and hunting etc.. This was one of the most educational and coolest ones I've seen in awhile.
Very cool video. I come from a family of cops and businessmen and though I chose the business path, I learned a tremendous amount from the LEO’s. The one common denominator was always, what works best for you with regards to shot placement? To this day, I have two EDC weapons that I carry depending on attire and location, a Springfield XDs .45 with a Bladetech IWB holster and Speer Gold Dot HP or a S&W 442 with a DeSantis Grip Clip and Hornady Critical Defense rounds. I train 2 to 3 Times p/month with these and am very proficient with both. At the end of the day, I train with one very important thing in mind and that is the fact that I am armed for a very specific purpose and that is to defend myself and my family! I am not a superhero and these tools do not make me immortal nor am I out looking to fend off the next terror attack. In my humble opinion, as long as you act responsibly, put in the work and, most importantly, recognize the limitations of the tools that you have, any round has merit and can be a useful tool in a pinch!
Greg Stanfill Check-out the N82 (N8=Nate+2=squared) holster is Perfect for business attire! My bros chose police, but I went business... The N82 is the most COMFORTABLE holster!
Imagine a soft, suede, leather pad behind your holster... THAT'S WHAT IT IS! It's so comfortable :-)
That's best for men, but FLASHBANG i s number one for women! All you have to remember is to keep your BOOGER HOOK OFF OF THE BANG SWITCH WHEN DRAWING! If she remember that; she'll be fine...
J Calhoun I agree with buying QUALITY!
Stealth Gear AIWB & N82 Holsters are VERY high quality! S.G. is twice the price as N82, though... The Quality is pretty much equal, though.
J Calhoun Btw, I was just looking at their holsters. Jackson Leatherworks is someone I was thinking about, but I'm glad that I stuck with N82 & Stealth Gear!
"Sorry, five chihuahua's and they're gettin' a little onry." LOL... Too funny!
... chihuahuas* (plural, no apostrophe)
EDC: .44 Magnum or .45 Colt.
Reason: With the right loads in the right hands, they work.
The 5.7 round should now be included in this group. I was a street cop for 33 years saw a lot of people shot with handguns, most were 22’s, and 9mm, and it’s all shot placement. For me you want accuracy and high capacity with low recoil, good penetration and fast follow up shots. The 5.6 offers all this, the only problem is nobody makes a compact 5.7 pistol yet, and it’s an expensive round to practice with.
*ALL* beat a sharp stick.... *NONE* are worth a damn passing by the bad guy!!!
Train, people.... *WITH THE GUN AND AMMO YOU CARRY!!!*
Even extensive training simply isn't statistically necessary for the average citizen. Fact is, you are more likely to drown in your bathtub, looking at the numbers, than get into an armed conflict with another person in your lifetime. If you're not in organized crime, military, law enforcement, or some other special high-risk high-profile position, basic conflict avoidance skills are all that is needed. In the highly improbable event you need more than that, just having a gun is another deterrent as most crimes of opportunity will seek an easier target and the conflict has ended. In the remote statistical probability that even that isn't good enough, even shooting say a home intruder with a 22LR a few times is likely enough to get them to cease and desist as its just not worth it.
So IMO a 9mm wins because you can get smaller 9mm pistols than 45ACP pistols, and its more than adequate in getting an attacker to cease attacking. Anything more and you've already abandoned need and transitioned into "want", and when it comes to want, just buy whatever makes you feel good because at that point its really all that matters. If you feel more powerful/cool w/ a 45, buy a 45.
@@BoopSnoot While your statements are, largely, accurate, so is the other guys. Your average person is unlikely to ever need to draw their carry pistol. However, if you're going to carry it, you should be proficient enough in its use to effectively hit the target. No, you don't need to try and replicate SERE training, but you should certainly put in the time at the range to make operating your firearm second nature.
10 mm Glock 20. Great gun!
im partial to my old dependable .45 acp. if im going to use a pistol its gonna be close combat and .45 is a great close combat pistol
ive carried this same 1911 for over 35 years and its like an extension of my arm anymore.
I am the same with 1911's but i now carry 10mm rock island. I love this weapon!
The old reliable is still reliable. I place more than a little faith in the bullet weight and diameter (especially after hollowpoint expansion) delivering more damage.
I agree...my missus likes her .38 and I don't want to argue with her, but my .45 is either the answer, or i'm having that very bad day...
I have always carried 45 acp. As I'm getting older I find the 9mm easier to carry all day. If I'm only going to be gone a short time the 45 us my first choice most because I've practiced with it more
24 year retired Paramedic. And a vet. I agree about people reacting different to hits. I had a couple in their 70's. Husband shot wife 4 times in torso with a .45 ACP 1911, then himself in the head. Wife called 911, then walked to recliner and sat down. In her 70's. I carry 9mm HST 124+P gr.
Hunting for 40+ yrs. has shown that you are right as to different reactions to being shot, shot same place, same angle, same gun one runs for 100 yds. the other falls where it stands, no real visible wound difference, same internal damage, no visible difference after skinning, now if I could just once have them run toward the truck
True meaning of gun control. One shot one kill.
I think it really boils down to the handgun you are available to use effectively.
I carry a Charter Arms Bulldog 44 special. After researching on which round has the best expansion in that caliber I went with the Hornady critical defense rounds. I’ve found that one thing to look out for with 44 specials is that some hollow point rounds won’t expand because those projectiles were more designed for the 44 magnum. I’d venture to say that it may be the same case for 38 special cartridges with projectiles more designed for the 357 as well.
Easy to conceal Ruger LC9s with Cor Bon +P JHP has great stopping power with quick expansion. Various grains available if you can find them now.
There’s no such thing as a magic bullet everything is about bullet placement and training and what you can handle but that’s my humble opinion great video 👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸
THOSE WHO FIRE THE MOST BULLETS IN THE LEAST AMOUT OF TIME WILL ALWAYS WIN !!,,,,,,,,,,,,,sam 101 airborne!
Carry what you love, love what you carry. You'll make the needed adjustments in order to afford it only if you truly love what you are using to save your life or your family's.
Fellow Ulysses here, I can attest to this statement
I'm a 357 Sig guy. I reload this keeps the cost way down and a huge selection of bullets.
Problem is in states like Ny where you cannot have more than seven bullets, thus 45acp is really the only way to go..
"... and there was a shotgun too, and it actually ended the fight."
hardly the first time that's ever been said
Tuff carrying a shotgun concealed.
Joe Soph .410 defense shells are viable
@@HTKennedymusic Yep!
@@HTKennedymusic oh Yeah! Four 000 shot in a 2.5" shell...that will put hurt on anyone...
There have been cases out of the Illinois State Police where people who were high on PCP took an actual 12 gauge slug and didn't slow them down at all
Jerry, I have about 6 channels that I can click the thumbs up before the video starts. Yours is one of those channels.
I certainly thank you. I merely try to make informative videos. I mainly gain haters, so it's nice to know there are some folks that actually get what I am attempting to convey.
The advancements in ammo technology renders any research done Pre-2000's mute. 12 inches of penetration is obtained in all the major hand gun calibers. Its ALL about shot placement. A 22 Magnum or 25 is just as deadly with well paced shots, a 45 or 10mm is survivable if the shots are inaccurate. Me? I carry my "workhorse gun", a Gen3 Glock 19 with either Federal HST or Speer Gold Dot everyday. I practice twice a month with this gun. I also carry a 1911, an all steel Jericho 9mm, a Canik TP9SA 9mm, a Sig P226 40sw, a XDm 45, a CZ Sp01 9mm, basically I like my guns and I carry what I feel like carrying. The main thing is Practice and Speed. Most fights ARE NOT out at 21 ft, maybe for Cops because they are showing up to an already escalated situation. Us civilians? They happen within arms reach, and they happen FAST. I go to the range and never witness people practicing at, say, 7 ft and speed. Certainly no one is getting their heart rates up before shooting. I jog in place while loading the mag, then expel that magazine before my heart rate settles. Yes I get weird looks, and they ask "Why are you shooting at that target so close, and you aren't aiming?" Because, most situations where you need to use your weapon are over in 7 seconds. SPEED and PRACTICE, MUSCLE MEMORY and ACCURACY. Above all SAFETY and RESPONSIBILITY!
Most excellent post, sir. Amazing points. Lenny @ the Glock Store in San Diego seems to do very similar demo shooting in his YT vids, without the jogging/increased heart-rate aspect...but within about 6 to 8 feet showing amazing muscle memory and just robotic shot placement/aim.
Great gun list. Cz sp01, jericho, and 1911! Add a smith and wesson 686 while ur at it
You have done your homework! There is a gentleman that is one of the world's elite gunmen that I've seen his video can't remember his name but he said the same thing. Go jog or run fast to pickup your heart rate then load, shoot etc.. and you will definitely notice the difference. When you do this it's more like a real situation or confrontation.
I Agree, it is important to also do dry Fire practice, and pratice with what you carry. Gun & ammo.
Amazing take and information. Thank you for sharing.