Can Tesla FSD V12.3 Handle Snow and Ice?
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- Опубліковано 22 бер 2024
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In this video, we take FSD 12.3 for a spin in really bad winter conditions. Come along for the ride and see how well it does.
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That required a lot of nerves! Thanks for the video.
I can't believe it let you engage fsd. Thanks for the video.
I was surprised too but it did. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for reminding my why I left Nebraska!
Wow thank you for testing it on these conditions! Even though it was not perfect, I think it did a good job on the straight roads 😅
Agreed. Thanks for watching!
I think they need to train it more in adverse situations, or incorporate more code to better adjust to road conditions. That being said, the difference between using visually trained AI v.s the code is amazing. You're right, self driving is not designed to be used in dangerous conditions, it's made for convenience, but it's really amazing to see how it behaves in these situations.
It seems to me that for FSD to have any chance of being usable in these conditions it will need not just vision, but also constant feedback on wheel slippage that can adjust speed and stopping distance moment by moment, just like a good human winter driver does.
As you know, driving in snow/ice is not just one kind of thing. Conditions can change moment by moment: clear road, then 50 feet of ice, then clear. Fresh snow in temps below 20F might blow right off a road and be no problem. But fresh snow can sometimes be crunchy - nice and grippy for tires - until it packs and gets suddenly slippery! Add in covered lane markings and curbs, and cameras that can be blocked at any moment by thrown slush. This is going to be a tough problem to solve.
Roads in my area will look like yours tomorrow. I won't be doing any FSD testing! Cross Climate 2 tires look like a good idea though.
100% agree. It has a long way to go in these conditions.
Yeah. That data definitely is being collected, as it uses that for traction control, but FSD might not be taking that data into account yet.
@@catbert7yes, traction control data is being collected, it is also being used by FSD, it's just that FSD is more confident in its own capabilities than we are.
this is the real testing, thank you so much ! please do more videos like this !
Wow that's was impresive! Good job testing it! By the way, and now waching the full video, TESLA should pay you for this! Thanks.
Interesting video. Thanks for filming this experiment.
Happy to do it. Glad it didn't do anything bad - which was possible. It was a little bit of a gamble doing this video but it worked out.
I would really recommend proper Nordic winter tires, like Continental Viking Contact 7, Nokian Hakkapeliitta R5. You will be amazed by their performance in winter weather. Can not get better tires if you going for stud free.
FSD in snow/ice is so unnerving. And, the windshield wiper thing is so annoying. But it looks like V12 made some progress.
I’m not sure how they will overcome crud collection on the cameras. Humans have an advantage that our eye-cameras are inside the car.
Thanks for posting!!
And our eye cameras see in 3D and are mounted on a multi-axis swivel is handy too. Thanks for watching!
@@iowatesla And our eye cameras feed data into a huge brain, engineered by God.
A few Tesla Vision cameras and low-cost silicon computer cannot compare.
Lucky you, no snow in southeast Iowa.
I noticed that when you have in auto max if you press accelerator to increase speed it will hold the speed you accelerated to.
My experience with snow is the take over happens when there is tire slip.
Good to see that it did not go full gung-ho like it used to! It’s still not ready for Midwest winter. I see you are still sporting the Haloblk setup. How are you liking it long term? I love the modularity of it.
It's definitely an improvement. As for the Haloblk, I still use it. The charger magnet is very strong - which I like. Haven't used many of the other features much but I like the option to add them if I need to. I don't mind the bulkiness of the rig from the back side.
Has the “nagging” reduced at all with 12.3?
Do you typically reduce regen braking in snowy conditions?
Wow. Obviously needs some more work with speed management on ice but insane how good it is at predicting lanes it can't see!
Can't much blame it for running over an invisible curb but that is something that will need to be solved, probably with local memory. Don't know Tesla has plans for that...
6:55: I think it was fine, actually. The tentacle was steering correctly to the right, hugging the outer curb.
8:55: What a weird time for it to freak out. Didn't seem to be a particularly confusing situation. But then, I feel like that's always how it goes with those. 🤷♂
"Can't much blame it for running over an invisible curb "
A human driver would not have run over the curb.
FSD is supposed to have detailed GPS maps, right?
Is that dash screen custom installed?
In January, I made a trip from CA to GA in my MSP in the middle of a series of snow/ice storms. This was before I had v12.3 and for the most part, it would not let me invoke FSD. Maybe that's changed with 12.3?
Is going to take alot of driving in snow data to get to level 5
Please just forget Level 5. Will not happen for 15-20 years (and certainly not from Tesla). It might be that we never reaches Level 5.
R u in chill mode?
If you follow Out of Spec with Kyle Connor he swears by Nokian tires for a great winter tire and has a few videos with them.
WIpe the wipers down with WD40 a couple of times on a paper towel, this will fix your wiper noise :)
Do you have winter tires?
He literally gave you the tires at the start of the vid...
It must have been trained on snow conditions because nothing of sunny driving is applicable here, it just doesn't quite have the competency level to handle the variable slip surface and the long horizon anticipation necessary for curling conditions. It did good in deducing invisible lanes, not quite disciplined in driving in tracks and not cutting corners. I actually think it should be doable to handle conditions like these relatively easily but can get tricky once the snow and ice is dense enough to risk getting stuck. But that's difficult for people too.
On a side note, isn't Kum&Go a dubious business name? you say it's a coffee shop? :)
Good data i guess ;)
FSD 12 was not made for this...
Ok but then how could Robo Taxis ever be thing ?
They don't drive in poor weather conditions ?
Remember that Version 12 wasn't even supposed to be Beta no more !
Curbs seems to be the issue on multiple videos ..
Somehow AI does not know how to make turn correctly. Coded driving would adjust moving forward a bit before start the turn. Unless TSLA fixed it, I won’t try 12.3. Can‘t risk wheel cap damage
Huh… Winter and self driving cars might never happen 🥶
Cybertruck will make curbs a non issue.
Yup, and mailboxes too.
Buy new wipers. 😅😅😂😂
인간은 못보는 선을 본다.
This is a dangerous condition to engage FSD. Tesla shouldn't allowed FSD to activate in this terrible weather condition. Maybe in FSD beta 13 there will be a snow mode once it has been trained for it.
I would agree but I knew what I was doing. I've lived with this for 3 winters now and know when to break out.
How do you expect FSD to improve without it being activated before it's ready to handle it safely on its own? That's the entire point of Beta. You let it try, you correct it when it makes a mistake, it improves. That's how you make progress.
@@catbert7 lol. what are you talking about? This the dumbest statement I heard about Tesla.
@@catbert7 People pay 12,000 dollars for FSD, then do tons of free unpaid beta testing for Tesla Corporation.
And if your rims get scratched while FSD is driving, no compensation or reimbursement for that.
Very good video, thank you! I live in Canada and I just got FSD 11.4.9. Like you said, it definitely does not like snow haha. Not sure if I'll get FSD 12 before the snow melts, but im curious to see!
I got the update Thursday literally about a minute after it started one of the few snowstorms of the season in Minnesota. It did not do well at all. ua-cam.com/video/dtJrZt3W4yI/v-deo.htmlsi=WZAiBBLLC1NrHttz I didn't record on the way home but turning right from a red light after I left the convenience store it took off too quickly. I stupidly decided to see how it would handle it when it skid. It slammed my back left wheel into the curb. "Luckily" it was one that I have already been meaning to fix for curb rash caused by driving over potholes last winter when it was so bad that they were basically everywhere.
When it was clear the next day, version 12 still didn't impress so I'm not sure why it's so great for most people but not for me.
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I hear ya. FSD's performance varies drastically by location. It's way worse here than what I see in many FSD channels, and hasn't improved significantly in years now... Seems very picky 😒
@@catbert7 11.4.9 was great for the most part but not perfect of course. As I've been driving 12.3 the last few days it's done better so the individual downloads apparently learn as they drive.