Lord of The Rings Strength and Power Tier List
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Welcome my fellow lord of the rings and hobbit fans, this is my video ranking the characters of Peter Jackson's Hobbit and Lord of the Rings based off of J. R. R. Tolkien's books in the form of a tier list.
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00:00 - Intro
00:41 - Meme Tier
01:20 - Fodder Tier
03:09 - Warrior Tier
05:14 - Elite Tier
07:05 - Beast Tier
09:50 - Wizard Tier
12:30 - Calamity Tier - Розваги
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Thanos snaps and kills half the universe*
Gimli: "that only counts as one"
💀💀
Now that made me laugh🤣
looool spot on
Or a half.
@@ruchirnaidz3660 😂👍
Just to clarify some things. Sauron wasn't killed by tossing the ring to the mount Doom. He poured his power into the ring. He actually survived but as such a weak spirit, that he was no longer able to cause any harm with 99.99% of his power gone.
it would be awesome to see the middle-earth apocalypse, when melkor comes back to life. he is the only one who could bring sauron back to life too
@@blast6822 Melkor/ Morgoth technically was not killed, only defeated and permanently expelled from middle earth. Canonically, only Eru Iluvatar (God) could bring him back to middle earth.
@@mattbalfe2983 but isn't The Shaping of Middle-earth canon?
@@blast6822 Yes
@@mattbalfe2983 but Eru Iluvatar didn't free him in that book, as far i can remember i
As a huge nerd of the LOTR books. This video makes me want to argue with basically every single one of these rankings.
same
They're absolutely terrible.
Absolutely lol@@kurtwpg
real
Can u tell me real rankings? I am new and i am interested
It really bugged me that the witch king was shown as stronger than Gandalf in the movies, specially since the weaker gandalf the grey was able to defeat a balrog.
A weaker Gandalf the Grey after his staff shattered into pieces placing the spell to destroy the Bridge of Khazad-Dum.
Gandalf is actualy not that strong,he is not allowed to use his full power . You can say that who defeated the balrog was his full demi-god being and not actually gandalf the grey. Gandalf the white was a different story,he would easily defeat the Witch King.
@@MarcusKuann So Gandalf was given his god powers back for a few minutes to kill a Balrog? No.
@@MarcusKuann The colors are basically just a ranking within the Maiar though. Gandalf always possessed ridiculous powers but the reason he never used them was because he was meant to be a guide. Nothing more, nothing less. If he were to have directly interfered with the tribulations in middle earth then it would’ve changed the course of everything that happened.
I wish the books showed off Gandalf using his fire abilities against sauron in the fellowship of the ring. Gandalf in the books is super strong
Wooow I’m going to leave this here I wrote this half asleep man, wow lol.
*I wished the movies showed off Gandalf’s fire ball battle with Saruman at the tower of orthanc. Book Gandalf was an OG.
I think Shelob has been done dirty being put in the Fodder tier. I understand why you placed her there as she doesn't do much in the films but lose to Sam. But I think this should be seen as a bigger feat for Sam. If Shelob was given a chance to show what she was capable of in the the movies, I think that she would have been in beast tier. The vile of Galadral was a hard counter for Shelob or any creature of darkness, as Galadral uses it to banish Sauron back to Mordor in the Hobbit. I feel like if Frodo and Sam didn't have it then she would have made short work of them.
The rest of the rankings seem fair to me, that's the only one that looks really out of place.
Yeah she could be higher, but since her only feat is losing to Sam and we can’t quantify how much that vile helped, I couldn’t confidently put her higher based just off the film universe.
i mean thecnically shelob lost to varda's light and she is the one whp destroyed the light tree...
@@rhythmicmusicswap4173 I’m the movie the light helped keep her back, but Sam still fought her off. I didn’t use any book lore for this list as it’s a movie only tier list.
@@weeaboo-warrior yeah I get you but without the light Sam loses even with Sting.
@@fabiansproer378 Maybe, but there isn’t really proof of that.
Gandalf is stronger than the witch king, it's said in the books that gandalf the white was second only to sauron (in the middle earth obviously), but the movies are really confusing and inconsistent with power levels. You should do one of the books
Yes
I'd even argue that Gandalf the White could have held his own against Sauron. That just wasn't his purpose or why he was there. He was there to gather the good hosts and advise/lead them to battle, not 1v1 Sauron.
Well this isn't the books so your first point is irrelevant
@@unwono Very true... If we were going by the books Sauron wouldn't even be in the top 5. Hell, he wouldn't even be the top dark lord. Melkor easily bodies Sauron 10 times out of 10, the true and first dark lord.
@@animefan132 Melkor is just a pathetic resentment against Eru, who does not have the charisma that Sauron has. So he didn't even really know what to do with his power. He just wanted to destroy everything lol.
Yeah, this is a good list. And while some inaccuracies might come from their defeats being situational (like Shelob and the Witch-King) I have no complaints, because that would be going way too deep into speculation.
Shelob wouldn't really be much speculation though, you can see how many people she has killed and how even groups of orcs together are afraid of her.
@@mike-mz6yz Exactly. Not to mention how Sam being a hobbit made him a smaller target than she was used to. Couple that with the gear, his victory, while possible in other situations too, was also situational.
Its pretty darn accurate. In terms of the witch king his drake was beheaded by her in like two seconds and got overwhelmed by her and one hobbit. He should've been in his own subclass between beast class and the maiar wizards. Think in direct confrontation he couldn't face saruman or GTW even without there staves.elrond was able to fend off several nazghul in the hobbit move with sauron watching and the witchking present. There only true power comes from there immortality and teleportation magic
@@hozereh2289 in the books they were only able to kill the witch king because they got a special sword from Tom Bombadil who is entirely not even in the movie.
@Tyler Ramos well damn I didn't know that, guess ya learn something everyday
There are definitely issues with this list, though I can't really blame you since this is based off of the films. While Sauron definitely takes the top spot, the next most powerful is definitely Gandalf the White, who possessed the power to contend with Sauron. The reason Galadriel is implied to be able to be the next Sauron is because she is substantially less powerful than Gandalf, who was never tempted to take the Ring, while Galadriel was tempted. The Ring's power is not to make someone invisible, but to increase the natural power of the wearer. This is why we see a dark Galadriel, whose power would grow. Gandalf's would have grown even greater, as he is a Maia like Sauron. Yet he was pure and the wisest of the Maiar, and so did not.
Regardless, the top is definitely Sauron followed by Gandalf the White.
EDIT: I have done some research over the last year by reading Unfinished Tales, among other works of Tolkien's, and it seems my initial conclusion was flawed. The Ring transports one from the mortal realm to a "Shadow realm" that exists alongside the physical realm. The reason Men and Hobbits are affected this way is because they are attached to the physical realm, having been cut off from Valinor, the Lands Beyond, etc., during the Great Curve that Eru Illuvatar cursed them with. Elves were not, however, affected by this change, and so they do not suffer the same effect of the Ring as Men and Hobbits. Dwarves are unaffected by the invisibility of the Ring because they are too strong-willed (which is why Sauron could not corrupt them with their rings).
The Rings of the Elves do not have the effect either, nor would it turn them invisible to wear the One Ring, since they exist between the Shadow and Physical realms simultaneously already, to some extent. Additionally, the rings of the elves were never possessed by Sauron. Galadriel, being an elf, would not be affected in the same way.
Gandalf and Sauron, being Maia, would not be affected this way either, since they are already more spiritual beings.
Tom Bombadil is not tempted by the Ring because he is perfectly content and a master of the self. There is nothing the Ring could offer him, so he simply rejected its power.
The Ringwraiths, like all other Men and Hobbits, would start to fade from the physical realm into the spiritual one as they wore the Rings. This is why they are invisible without their robes, but are visible when one wears the One Ring. Dwarves do not suffer that effect, hence why the Dwarven Lords had to be killed by dragons or other causes for their rings to be reclaimed by Sauron.
I like this comment, the 5 wizards were sent to middle earth not to contend with Sauron but to aid the races of middle earth through knowledge and unite them to come together to face a common enemy “Sauron”. This is why they were sent to resemble old wise men to not threaten the races as another Sauron like being. Throughout the ages, one by one each wizard other than Gandalf drifted away from the task by which they were given. Radagast kept to himself and looked after the wildlife and nature itself. Sarumon who betrayed the races of middle earth in search of power. The two blue wizards who traveled east and never returned to aid the wars to come. After the death of Gandalf the Grey, Eru Iluvatar knew Gandalf was the only one left who was still following the task. Therefore, he granted him with powers exceeding the 5 wizards to free middle earth from the dominion of Sauron. It’s never stated exactly how much was granted to him but his purpose was to replace Sarumon so at least he was stronger than him. My theory why the witch king could have broken Gandalf’s staff isn’t that he was more powerful than him but simply the fact that he conjured the essence of the dark lord from all the 9 rings and the One ring for which his spirit was binded to all rings given to men and the one ring itself. I don’t believe the Witch King himself was more powerful than Gandalf the White but the rings by which he was bound was if that makes sense
Also if we are going based on the movies, the ghosts should be S tier, or right above Smaug
@@Heuwelman the army of the dead hidden under the mountain? I believe if they were not apart of the battle men would have lost…there was a whole other army of men from the east coming in and they also cleared out the city like water. Honestly they would have given Sauron a challenge since they were bound by the King of Gondor and he knew they couldn’t be controlled by him. S tier list should be Sauron Gandalf the White the army of the dead and Tom Bombadil
@@titkindaguy452 his staff was never broken in the books, Gandalf the white floors the witch king
@@rustaholic2546 yeah there’s a lot of minor details that the movies left out including that and the fact that the staff itself didn’t come with him to his reincarnation but was given by lady Galadriel.
Gimli and Legolas in different tiers...this just doesn't feel right, my man. They need to be next to each other at all times.
I know what you mean, but Legolas just has way better feats. Gimli barely does any fighting on screen, and has needed help multiple times, while Legolas has the most impressive combat feats of the main cast.
@@weeaboo-warrior true, sadly. I think the constant rivalry and the respectful friendship between them along with their equal kill counts show they are SUPPOSED to be at the same level of skill, but it was probably very hard to invent scenarios for Gimli to show off like Legolas did when he's more about brute strength and expert hand-to-hand combat. Doesn't lend itself to insane scenes like the Mumakil kill.
I think they're canonically on a similar level, but yeah you can have the point for the movies.
@@boshman11 not only do they not ever really display bad ass dwarfery in the fellowship trilogy, they made the dwarves seem like incompetent clowns
@@boshman11 spittin
@@weeaboo-warrior I like this list and mostly agree with it, but i have to say i strongly disagree with Lurtz being below Azog fucking son, If It was just Azog while i still disagree i could accept It but his damm son??
I think your really underestimating how good of a fight Lurtz was able to give him Aragorn (He almost killed him for god's sake) and what does that mean, by Just where you put Aragorn which i agree with by the way he should be above Azog and his Son, his fight with Aragorn and what he was able to do with him is certainly more impressive then anything Azog ever did, hell now that i think about it, it's not Azog son being above Lurtz the biggest problem, it's Azog being above him, his son fight against Legolas is more then anything Azog ever did and while i still put Lurtz above him, he should be the closest to him of the 2, at least the only to have a real argument for being above Lurtz, even If i think that's not at all the case. Another point to this is that given the fight Lurtz gave to Aragorn, i Really don't see him dying to Thorin like Azog, at best Gimli but even then...
Guys, this tier list is solely based off feats from the movies. For example, the cave troll in Moria showed stronger feats than Arwen when she did her water horse spell. Thorin showed more feats than Boromir in the movies.
If this is based on their level of skill and power, Boromir beats Thorin. Witch-King ranked lower than Gandalf and Saruman.
@@thotslayer9922 Plot armour is a concept that breaks the 4th wall. The reader may see it as plot armour (which it would be, in this case), but in the context of world of Tolkien and its characters, Thorin would have beaten Azog because he was better and luck, which is a thing in both fiction and real life, favoured him in this situation.
@@thotslayer9922 Everything you say is true. I'm just pointing out that plot armour is something only existing in the context of a story, which, from the POV of a character of middle earth, would not be the case (Frodo isn't aware that his story is just fiction). The conditions that Thorin won were definitely plot armour, but from the POV a middle earth character, those conditions would have made Thorin the better fighter in THIS situation (even if it would not be the case normally).
Ok but Bard killed Smaug and Legolas killed an Oliphant, why is there such a large tier difference?
For Shelob, here are some fun facts:
1. She is the greatest spider in the films because she is the descent of Ungoliant, the shapeshiftering spider who aided Morgoth in the destruction of the two trees of Valinor.
2. In the books, Sauron was aware of her presence and is said to think of Shelob as his cat
3. For any prisoners in Mordor unfortunate enough to have no use or purpose, they would often be driven into Shelob's Lair as sport. Sauron had the orks give him a report concerning the games the spider played with her prey
Sauron loved it, he had a gaint spider to protect the back way into Mordor. There's nothing he couldve created to better protect that place. He had thousands of Orcs so he a couple here and there went missing he didnt mind and it appeased her. Not to mention like you said they would drop off prisoners and come back to Sauron with the play she made of them.
In the books, Shelob wasn't created, but was the daughter of the embodiment of evil and darkness itself.
@@joshwhite1606 Think you're misunderstanding my usage of "created".
I don't think Ungoliant had the ability to shapeshift, nor did Shelob.
Another fun fact is that: Sauron had some infaution or moreso connection with cats, this is because the earliest versions of his character was to take a giant cat form. He also had a personal cat when he was Annatar "Lord of Gifts".
Another fun fact: in early drafts of the silmarillion, Sauron actually was a cat! True story, I forgot his name though, it wasnt Sauron back then. Something with a T if I remember correctly.
I feel like The Hobbit’s “cartoonish” fighting gave many characters an edge in this compared to the more realistic combat in lotr
Oef, putting Elrond below Legolas is really an underestimation of Lord Elrond.
Apart from that very fun to watch and nicely done!
Thanks, and Elrond could be higher than Legolas, I just think Legolas has better on screen feats.
@@weeaboo-warrior Yeah I understand, based on the movies it is quite the strong list!
Plus Elrond has one of the rings of power.
Based on the films Legolas is silly overpowered but that's not how it is in my head canon.
@@weeaboo-warrior Elronds father killed ancalagon right
In the book it is often mentioned that Gandalf is the nemesis of Sauron. After becoming Gandalf the White, he is on par with Sauron if he uses the ring.
Well the ring makes a huge difference
If you mean the One Ring, Gandalf with the Ring would even be above Sauron. Tolkien explained in one of his letters that Gandalf might be able to break the Ring's loyalty to Sauron which for Sauron would have the same effect as its destruction.
@@tarmairon431 yes, but in the process he would not resist the ring and become pretty much the third dark lord. So gandalf would never choose a path like that, not even as a last resort against sauron.
If you're talking about sheer power then Frodo and Bilbo are by far the most powerful able to resist the sway and power of the ring, only those two were able to do it. Bilbo actually just dropped the ring on the floor and walked away so that is a display of power that is unmatched.
aragorn was able to say no to it
Yeah and Friday managed to walk across a continent with the ring, only failing to throw it into the cracks of doom which the books and movies state is not something anyone can willingly do
@@gimmebeans1092 I mean in the end Frodo failed and only indirect intervention of eru Ilúvatar in the person of gollum made it possible to destroy the ring. Sauron was right, that NO ONE can purposefully destroy it. So it doesn't make Frodo that powerfull, it's a little bit different with Samwise, but you get the point?
@@szymongolac7853 yeah I do get that but I do feel that it was meant to be shown as a massive burden, but yeah he's not actually more powerful than any other hobbit
@@szymongolac7853 don't forget how quickly people like boromir (and faramir to an extent) were tempted by the ring
Gonna be honest, you should do this with the books as the stone giants don't really exist in those, and there are a few differences with the films. Looking at characters in the Silmarillion would also be really cool.
The stone giants are in the books they mention them a ton of times
@@nickanderson7614 It is implied in the books that there are more of them and they are not an entire mountainside, at least from my interpretation
@@nathanielberntson8883 The Hobbit was never intended to be a part of Tolkiens Legendarium. That's why stone giants are so vague and unknown in his mythology.
if you include the books theres gonna be like 3 tiers above sauron
I feel like Thandruil and Shelob should be a few places higher, but other then that, awesome tier list! I would also love to see a fight between Galadriel and a stone giant. That feels like the kind of fight CGI nowdays could make absolutely epic.
It was an honor watching all 20+ hours of the movies with you.
This is a good list for what the films tell you about the characters.
But seeing Shelob in the fodder tier is so funny when you know about the Silmarillion.
to be fair she only was defeated because of light of earendil which has full effect against evil beings such as shelob which was created from evil itself. It drained shelobs power making her weak and vulnerable and sam also used sting which is not an ordinary dagger.
Shouldn't Shelob be in beast tier? Sam was the only person to ever harm her and he both the Light of Aranduil and an Elvish blade so without them he'd have been dinner. Shelob is definitely WAYYYY higher than than Fodder. Also both Arwen and Legolas should be elite as Legolas isn't literally a beast like the others in that tier and Arwen is powerful af. Other than that I agree with this list it's fairly solid 👍
sam didn't even defeat shelob himself, shelob stabbed herself on sam's sword, the only reason why she got hurt.
River washing away nazgul was actually a feat of Elrond.
A important aspect of the journey of Frodo Sam Pippin and Merry from the Shire to Bree, was the Barrow Downs, a large area covered in Barrows, the Barrows date back to the war between The Witch Kings realm of Angmar and and the the Northern kingdoms of Eriador. The four Hobbits are caught by Barrow Wights, and taken into a Barrow, where they will die and become wights themselves. They are rescued by Tom Bombadil, a character that never made it into LOTR, Tom Bombadil rescues the Hobbits and goes back into the Barrow, and comes out with four short swords, these swords were forged by the elves to specifically fight the Witch King and his armies, and spells were laid on swords for just that purpose. So when Merry stabs the Witch King, the sword does what most swords could not do, it cuts through the sinew's of the witch King, and breaks down the enchantments that hold his form together, there is a argument for saying that Merry struck the killing blow, and of course Merry is also not a man.
They werent forged by elves but by the kingdoms of men up in Arnor if i remember correctly as they were at war with the witch king for the longest peroid of time. Tho tbh the Dúnedain at the time were closer to being numenorians and probably alot more like elves then the regular man we are used to beign portrayed in the story.
@@yoyoimokazaki I am sure your right, but my drift was that they were forged to fight the Witch King and his armies, and therfore had greater potency against the Witch King, than new forged weapons.
No but…. It’s because… she was a woman! Feminism!!!
@@theodom1858 Well maybe, but I am fairly sure that both men and women can weild swords. It may have been that Glorfindel in his vision saw a woman kill the Witchking, and it amused him to make the prophecy, knowing that the Witchking would take it to mean, that he could not be killed.
Its a good list. I mean if i made one using the movies, it would be similar, except id put sheelob a bit higher. Using the books id put gandalf the white bellow sauron with the one ring and thats all. (In the books Gandalf didn't get overpowered by the witch king also as the grey fought all the Nazgul who get a team buff at once including the witch king and was stated to match their combined power.
Then you can say sauron became more powerful for the return of the king yes, but gandalf did as well. Overall great video.
In the books, the wizards are OP. and Gandalf if the strongest by far.
@@joshwhite1606 now that i think of it, gandalf as the grey should be still only one tier bellow Sauron.
@@stansilvestrov3106 Well, it's hard to say, because gandalf, the Balrog, and Sauron are all the same kind of critter. But Gandalf even the white is not allowed...(or doesn't try to be) as powerful as Sauron.
@@joshwhite1606 yes, but he's in the same tier of power, imagine tiger and a lion, a lion might not be as powerful as a tiger, but they have similar strenght.
@@stansilvestrov3106 it’s like a lion in it’s prime versus an old lion. They are the same animal, but one is just currently more powerful.
Tolkien stated that Gandalf with the one ring could win a 1v1 against sauron but Galadriel could not. I think that alone should put Gandalf the white at least in the same tier as her
This list used movies only. Book rankings would be different.
@@weeaboo-warrior that's why your list sucks
@@Nick-eo2ol That doesn't make much sense considering this list was deliberately made to be movie only. They are different than the books. Just like how the Harry Potter movies and books have differences.
@@weeaboo-warrior can you do a book tierlist then also? Would love to see it
@@jasperharviala4278 maybe one day if I get into the books
I would’ve put Thranduil above Tauriel, given how he effortlessly disarmed her in spite of her having a bow aimed at him point blank.
Wasn’t that when she was focused on an orc? He probably is above her, but feat wise she has more.
It was when he was trying to get the elves to retreat from the battle of the Five Armies; Tariel gets on his case about leaving the dwarves to die, accuses him of being incapable of love while holding him at arrow point, to which he cuts her bow in half before she can react (much to her shock), and talking her down.
@@michaeldorsey9231 Ah yes, I just looked at the scene. However she was just bluffing and wouldn't actually shoot, and Thranduil looked away at first and then just surprise slashed her bow at close range. I do agree with you he would probably beat her in a fight though. It's just that he lacks feats. I mention in the video how he and Dain could easily be higher. But thank for reminding me about that scene, I forgot about it.
@@thotslayer9922 Pretty sure that was Glorfindel that kiled a Balrog not Thranduil.
Book Bilbo would be quite higher, as he killed like 50 spiders with stones.
Too bad this isn't a book tier list
Fun Facts: Tauriel does Not exist in Kanon because she only exists in the Films, the spell was Glorfindel/Elrond in the Books and the Ringwraiths can only be defeatet by destroying or by special Blades (Merry had one out of an ancient grave of Arnor)
The flood was elrond and gandalf... Gandalf shaped the horses
Tauriel is the worst and unnecessary part of The Hobbit movies. You can just imagine a producer saying to Peter Jackson, we need more women power and we need a ridiculous love story between a dwarf and an elf. Can't stand her.
@@KTK44 Yes she was thrown in because it had to be three full length movies. And there was no women. Complete garbage added as filler
High quality tier list with well-considered placings for the films. Could you do another tierlist with the books though, as for me they are the canon of LOTR and the films are just spinoffs. As a film tierlist goes though, perfect besides shelobs low ranking. Sauron trusted her to protect the secret entrance into Mordor which has to count for something.
How is Galadriel over Smaug and how is witch king over Gandalf, Saruman and balrog.
@@VlIl Galadiel drove the necromancer out of dol guldur pretty much solo, and witch king defeated Gandalf who defeated Saruman and Balrog. Keep in mind it is just a film tier list.
yeah i want a book tier list so i can see Tom Bombadil at the top
The problem is Gandalf, Saruman, and Radagast are way above Smaug and Galadriel they just can’t use their full power but Gandalf used a good portion against the Balrog and beat him but if the Witch Queen or Galadriel Or maybe even Smaug fought they Balrog they’d most likely get bodied
Well if they can't use their full power they would lose. And it seems it isn't just their choice, as Saruman while evil and with no restraints still seemed weaker than Smaug. Physically they are much weaker than Smaug, and swords and arrows can still pierce them. Also when asked how many dragons he killed Gandalf got real quiet. In the movie versions there is nothing to suggest the Balrog would beat Smaug. Smaug is bigger and has better feats.
@@weeaboo-warrior Yeah that’s why I said it’s difficult to say because they don’t give us all the information in the movies
@@anthonycolasanto5599 That's true, but I don't see where you said that.
Smaug has some huge advantages over Balrogs so I don't think he would lose.
@@weeaboo-warrior saruman does in the simallrion after the first war middle earth was destroyed and the ainur (the valar and Maia’s) swore never to use there full force ever again. If saruman did the valar would come down and give him a timeout which would not be a benefit to saruman.
Best lotr power tierlist out there👍
thanks
This video made me realize how ridiculous movie Legolas was, i mean him and gimli are supposed to be rivals so I think they should be at least at equal grounds, like they are at the books
You able to do another tier list with the books in the future mainly with the other Gods.
Same for the E.U. of Star wars?
As a movie tier list, this is good, but it’d be much different and probably much more accurate to use the books. I’d be interested to see how characters from the Silmarillion such as Glaurung, Turin, or Feanor fit into this tier list.
Would love to see a revamped ranking taking into account all LotR content.
Man, anything from the 1st age or prior would seriously skew the list as the further back you get the more powerful the beings become, with beings like morgoth and ungoliant.
Boromir is arguably just as skilled a fighter as Aragorn.
Aragorn being a ranger edges it for him though.
Aragorn is effectively a superhuman. Boromir was feared by orcs as being a great warrior amongst men, but he still comes nowhere close to Aragorn.
@@mackwilkins5167 I was gonna say that. Aarogorn wielding Anduril had immense power, and it was implied that Sauron feared Aaragorn for what he might become.
Perhaps on the physical side he comes a bit close, but in mentality Aragorn is far above him
4:23 made me laugh more than it shoud lol you earned my sub
very well made tier list, actually put effort in it, i just wished that you would talk a bit more in detail about the characters but it wasnt neccessary. also would love to see a book version
Only one I really disagree with is Gandalf being behind the Witch King. I'm not gonna go all nerd on you haha but he's definitely stronger and that scene from ROTK was taken out most likely due to inaccuracies. Gandalf the White could defeat WK fairly easily. Other than that, love the list.
Denethor asked Gandalf in rotk novel who was more powerful, the witch king or Gandalf. Gandalf couldn’t answer him and denethor even said Looks like the white wizard has met his match.
Didnt gandalf fight off all 9 on the nazguls on weathertop? (dont remember how many it was tho..)
And Gandalf is a maja, and the WK is nothing close to a maja therefore gandalf is far superior the WK as far as my understanding goes
Gandalf couldn’t defeat them so he escaped and the witch king wasn’t at full power. As Saurons power grows the nazguls power grows and because Frodo was bringing the ring closer to Mordor the nazguls were gaining power and Sauron gave the Witch King a huge power boost in rotk stated by Tolkien himself. Also Since the witch king is a wraith and Gandalf has no access to barrow weapons he can’t kilm him.
@@TheTragedyofDarthPlagueis correct, he held them off in similar way aragorn did
Pretty good tier list and judicious use of "I'm going by the movies, not the books," lol. A major point being of course that Gandalf The White should be ranked higher than the Witch King.
But anyway a pretty insightful list. And Sauron would indeed be ranked S Tier. I have a theory that Sauron's slow return to power was accelerated once Smeagol found the Ring and started using it. Maybe even if the Ring was never found and it's power reawakened then Sauron never would have been able to exert his full will and the Third Age just would have dragged on. But also it seems it was within the nature/power of the Ring to be discovered, and it was only a matter of time.
Lol this is hilarious how you compare strengths, but I love it . Good list
great exhaustive list
Dope. The books would rank people much differently as the differences are much larger than in the film. Shelob, for instance, is the child of an even greater and primordial Ungoliant who ATE the world tree and is a pure embodiment of hunger, darkness, and the void. Being her daughter, she has massive power. The same goes for people like Elrond and other Elves who fought much larger creatures than anyone in the 3rd age, as Morgoth's forces in the 1st and 2nd age were MUCH more formidable (hopefully we get to see that in the Amazon adaptation) than the lesser beings found in the Third Age (The King of the Balrogs and Morgoth himself were god-like comparatively to Sauron and The Balrog in the trilogy). Keep rocking :)
the tier list would also have WAAAAAAAAY more characters in it lol
Grima definitely not the lowest tier, he had skill with strategy, influence and was brave enough to dominate the court of Theoden. Even Gandalf praised his ability to thwart his plans and waste his time and said he was not a coward.
That has nothing to do with how strong he is in direct combat though.
Almost closed the tab when I saw Elrond that low. He's a wielder of one of the rings, he's WAY more powerful. Also Gandalf also owns one of the rings and he's significantly more powerful than the Witch King, it's been mentioned in the series numerous times that out of anyone in the Middle Earth, only Gandalf is strong enough to defeat Sauron.
This is a movie list. The Witch King beat Gandalf in the movie.
“he seems to like to break rocks a lot”
idk why but that made me laugh so hard
Good tier list when only considering the movies. I think this list would be very different when you take in consideration the books
well yeah... The Ainur, Spirits (Ungoliant, maybe more who knows), The Elves who beheld the light of the trees, Dragons (unless you just count it all as Morgoths power).
he's not doing the books so
1. I would say shelob should be beast tear or higher being a direct decendant of ungoliant the embodyment of the void who was able to overpower melkor the strongest vala and needed all his balrogs combined to drive her back.
2. Putting legolas and tauriel above Thranduil from a movie feats only makes sense since he did less. But you also have to remember Tauriel was only a few hundred years old, legolas was 2900 and thranduil was 6500 years old.
3. Elrond is also placed too low, he was trained by Gil Galad and Círdan and faught with them. he also has a magical sword, one of the three elven rings of power. And to top that all is one of the few in middle earth able to read and speak quenya basicly the elven language that is used for magic.
4. Galadriel is extremly well placed all though you could argue she could be X tier with sauron. Her power is extreamly undermined in the movies. She was the only elf ever trained by ALL the Valar not just one like most in valinor were. Her hair contains the light of the 2 trees. she is the most gifted elf EVER in foresight and was trained by Melian the maia of Doriath in magic. And it is also stated sauron feared her above all others and would never think of attacking her without the ring. He also never tried to get inside her head since she was so gifted he feared she would instead end up gettig in his head. Tolkien did state Feanor was the most powerfull elf ever but i like to say he had the potential to become the most powerfull. I think late third age Galadriel was more powerfull
But from pure movie stand point i understood this lineup. Apart from Elrond, since we actually see him in action during the last allience against Sauron, which in my opinion ranks him above Aragorn
Placing Aragorn is hard, he is a man…more or less, but he is Elrond’s however many greats grand nephew, he is King of men, he had the will to be able to mind-wrestle with Sauron himself and hold his own, and he is mentioned in the books to be almost unparalleled in fighting skill and healing ability.
Saying Third age Galadriel was stronger then feanor at his prime is madness. That’s like saying Galadriel rivals Sauron with the one ring. The comparison isn’t close. Feanor gave melkor a valar 7 scars that would never heal and an eternal limp. Also Morogoths powers were drained by the end of the first age so that’s why his Balrogs had to save his ass. Tolkien himself said Sauron with the ring was stronger then Morogoth at the end of the first age because that’s how bad his powers were drained.
@@thotslayer9922 Feanor didnt give melkor the scars and limp that was Fingolfin with his sword Ringil. Feanor studied under Aulë. Galadriel studied under all the Vala and some of the maia including Melian. Her hair had the power of the two trees. She was able to read saurons mind when he tried reading hers with the palantir. She destroyed all of dol guldur with a tornado. remember this was in the third age aswell when the magic of the elves was at its weakest and fading. just immagin putting third age galadriel back into the first age. The power she would have is immesurable. She was also stated to be the most powerfull elf in the third age in middle earth. And that is including Glorfindell who was literally an elf with the powers of a maiar.
Tolkien himself would laugh at you saying Galadriel in the first age was a match or even stronger then Sauron with the one ring. It’s a joke honestly. Sauron with the one ring was stated to be greater then melkor at the end of the first age. So your saying Galadriel in the first age was stronger then melkor? Hell no Sauron with the one was only a bit stronger then melkor when he was weakened. Your comment is madness.
Also final nail in your coffin, Sauron created all the mountain ranges around Mordor in a matter of seconds. Destroying dol gul dor was nothing in comparison. Sauron himself took a lightning bolt from one of the valar and it had no effect on him. It had the men of numenor shaking in fear.
Good list! One thing though. There is a third kind of Orcs, called Gundabad Orcs. These are stronger than normal Orcs but not as strong as Uruk-Hai. I think the bottom of the warrior category is the right place for them. From the Wargs you also have a Gundabad varriant, and I think those belong between the little spiders and Shelob. And the white Warg of Azog should be above the Gundabad Wargs.
Edit: now that I think about it, there are many more creatures that are not on this list. And of every kind you have a leader who is just a little bit stronger. But then the list would become much too large and complicated.
Hey man can you tell me what tiers from the one piece tier list are most comparable than the tiers from this vid (or vise versa)
Frodo didn’t carry the one ring for a year for you to put him in the fodder category 🤣
This series is insanely difficult to make a TL on. Good job tho.
For the Peter Jackson movies only, I think this is fairly accurate.
You should do another one based on the original Tolkien lore, as there would definitely be some major differences as well as many more powerful characters to add. Then again, it would take a lot of research so I can understand it being too big a task.
I like how you don’t highball like a lot of other power scaling channels do
Good list, except.... I think you forget the ghosts... I, personally, would put them either on the "Calamity tier" or the "Wizard tier" since I don´t know which Wizards could actually get rid of a ghost, but since they´re not only immortal unless their curse is broken but also untouchable (while being able to touch things) they would be, at least, above "Beast tier"
@@thotslayer9922 interesting, well, it sounds like I should have read the books. But still, as you recognized, this is NOT how they were portrait in the movies😅.
Sam needs to be much higher on the list, as what other people said shelob is a significantly harder enemy than the other spiders especially in the books. Also if you take the LOTR text adventure into account sam can smash just about anythings skull in with a big rock.
With a well placed blow he cleaves Pippin’s skull
Great video, I mostly agree with the tier ranking, however I would like to see where the Army of the Dead would have been placed. Surely somewhere between the beast and wizard tier considering their power.
If you can, do a tier list using book info! This might take more work from you though so I understand using just the movies…
The Silmarillion would put a huge change on things though. You would have elves being put in tiers with Maiar and Sauron would no longer be the top dog.
If you’re going off just what the movies show, this tier list seems pretty good. If going off the books, then I’ve got a few complaints
If only Glorfindel was in the movies..
This video is soooo awesome
And then Tom Bombadil decides to sing and the tier list just falls apart
Some of these I think should be a little different based off the books but overall pretty good
Top bad this isn't a book tier list
Harry Potter strength and power tier list?
I was planning on doing one when all the fantastic beasts films come out.
Sick
This was fun and I enjoy the video. It's not technically very accurate but it's still fun.
If looking at the books I can see some major flaws but just going by the movies this is a good teir list. Probs for the time and effort. Would love to see one of the book characters like Melkor and the other Valar
Gandalf is stronger than witch king in the books no matter what the movies say
Movies also say he is
Gandalf in the books is no joke. He's even able to fight Sauron in a battle of wills for some time shortly after being revived.
What about Denethor? He might be fodder tier, but is definitely above the tomato
Glad i was able to get the jokes here, well made list, well done memes.
edit: ive finished it. This list is actually kinda legit besides the joke ones you threw low tiers.
gimli in the movies : *i am your comic relief*
gimli in the books : *greatest axeman in middle earth, according to aragorn*
The tier is wrong in calamity and wizard. The balrog in Tolkien universe is a corrupted Maia (corrupted angels) of the ancient world servant of melkor. Saulron was the tactics guy and the balrog was brute force under melkor. Sauron was not the powerhouse until the one ring. They are well above Smaug the dragon and Galadriel. In melkor rule they had dragons 10x larger than Smaug and they feared the balrog lol. The reason that Gandalf the grey beat the balrog is that he used his full power of Istari which was forbidden by the law from God. Galadriel used her power of the ring and the star bottle whatever to drive sauron. Her power may be useful for dark forces but if she was fighting against balrog or Gandalf she would have died. I call bullcrap of witch king destroying Gandalf the white staff. In the books Gandalf is leagues above him.
This list is on the movie verse only.
Sauron was the most powerful servant of Melkor of all that had names at least, even without the ring.
Elves are generally weaker than balrogs, but the most powerful elves can match them and a few can even win that battle. Galadriel doesn't appear to be a fighter and would probably loose in a 1v1 vs Durin's Bane, but she's still very powerful.
I wouldn't say that Gamdalf is leagues above the Witchking, because he's Sauron's strongest servant and and would be a formidabble foe even for Gandalf. Sure Gandalf is stronger, but I'd say it's one league not leagues.
@@weeaboo-warrior You need to understand though that it is not enough to go Witch King beat Gandalf and Gandalf beat Balrog hence Witch King beats Balrog. That is not how that works.
@@johanlassen6448 i understand different characters could match others differently. Do you have evidence the Balrog beats the Witch King?
@@weeaboo-warrior Well for starters the Balrog soloed Moria, while the Witch King got bodied by Merry and Eowyn. Witch King also got routed by Aragorn at Weathertop, who was absolutely no match for the Balrog.
Man Thranduil is way to low.
He is probably higher, he just didn't get to show off his full strength.
I thought this was going to rank the different rings of power in a tier list. I think that would be cool.
I am so confused, I swear I saw all the movies but most of the footage you are showing is completly new to me. When did Gandalfs staff not work?
Let's clear something up, gandalf being a maia just like sauron, already possess more potential power than even galadriel by a pretty far margin, but gandalf is too Honest and wise to use his full power knowing how it could effect him and others, he also was not tempted by the ring as galadriel was, so he clearly belongs in a higher tier
Also, thranduil belongs much higher than any dwarf, as we see in the hobbit he is a much more dangerous opponent than even probably Legolas, he may not have had as high of a kill count cinematically, but as we see he has faced a dragon, he led his army to defeat the land of angmar in the north, he is one of the only ones who could probably match elrond is sword to sword combat, especially since his style would probably out match elronds single bladed defensive technique
Just going by the movies and an interpretation of those scenes... Gandalf refused to be tested by the ring, he doesn't even consider it, Galadriel allows herself to be tested by the ring and her willpower saw her through. Gandalf even says something along the lines of "don't tempt me, in an effort to do good I would be evil" basically saying if he is tested, he will fail and take the ring.
Galadriel is definitely the "stronger" in that comparison.
@@hyperbomb02 Tolkien himself literally stated gandalf if given the ring could 1v1 sauron galadriel could not, that alone should put him in her tier if not higher
@@Architect_Of_Chaos This is based on the movies though, not the books.
If you want to get specific about the books, Gandalf the White was a match for Sauron, but this was bodiless, ringless Sauron. So with the ring Gandalf would easily beat Sauron, but Sauron would not really be "Sauron" and he technically wouldn't die as he was bound to the ring. So full powered Sauron is still stronger than the White and if the White is using his Ring, he still can't truly "beat" Sauron unless he destroyed his ring. Which is next to impossible. And to split even more hairs, Gandalf the White was more than just "Gandalf" he was fully empowered by Eru (the top God) vs his normal form which was empowered by Manwe which Gandalf's position was under before he became Ishtari. Gandalf before he came to middle earth, as Olorin, even in his full "angelic" form was afraid of Sauron to put this all into perspective.
@@hyperbomb02 I realized as I commented previously, I was too focused on potential and theoretical power when the point of this video was to look at cinematic show of fighting prowess
@@thotslayer9922 i think you might be right, im conflating the movies and how reforming a body makes Sauron "weaker". I just looked it up, doesn't specifically say weaker, but it says it weakens Sauron's connection to the world (extreme shorthand of Tolkien's explanation).
S, for Sauron.
Not sure that Galadriel should be ahead of the Wizards...but she's definitely the most powerful elf, and given her genealogy this isn't suprising. Her brother was Finrod Felagund, who was a definitive badass. Her uncle was Fingolfin, who is quite possibly the most powerful Elf in the entire legendarium [literally was confused for a Valar at one point, and maimed Morgoth in a 1v1 fight.]
“The elf seems super human”
My brain turned into Internet Explorer for a few minutes hearing that.
I didn't say "the elf seems super human", I said elves usually seem to be super human. And that is a correct statement. If you are trying to say it's so obvious I shouldn't have said it, not everyone watching the video is a lord of the rings expert.
I have... a LOT of questions. Shelob in fodder? Dude basically the only thing not afraid of her is Sauron.
idk that he isn't afraid of her. I mean he never messes with her and lets her eat orcs to keep her happy. I mean his Master was afraid of her mom so maybe he is?
@@mike-mz6yz It's said in some portion of the lore that Sauron and she has a mutual relationship but that there is no real fear between them
@@Modulates I know he talks about how they're relationship, but that it is totally unspoken. They leave each other alone because they benefit from the other being there. Still that doesnt say neither fears the other.
It is said that she guarded that entrance better then any servant or group of servants Sauron could have put there. That could be taken to means he saw her as more powerful then a group of trolls with wargs and men lead by a Nazgûl.
@@mike-mz6yz or more powerful than anything else in his realm. At the very least he and she are near in power, no?
@@Modulates yeah for sure, I think he is probably more powerful....or at least was before numenor and before creating the rings and losing his ring.
The spiders are just so interesting, since the first spider is said to have been there since before arda...which makes it seem like she was not made by Eru. Ungoliants being not from Eru that means shelobs isn't either so who knows how they really match up.
The power of the witch king is in despair, and as despair grows so does his power. A big part of warfare is psychological, by beating down the enemies spirit you make their defeat inevitable. I've always felt that the witch king, as well as Sauron himself, have their power determined by the opponents perception of their power. When the land is in darkness, and the armies of Sauron are at the doors of Minas Tirith, when victory is assured for the dark lord and the city is in terror, at that moment, the witch king is greater than Gandalf because their powers come from their spirits and the lord of the Nazghul feels secure in his victory while Gandalf is in doubt.
Had the armies of the west surrounded the witch king, and had Gandalf fought him one on one in the moment of Saurons defeat, the witch king would have no chance to resist Gandalf.
That's basically how it is in lord of the rings. People lose because their spirit is broken, not because they're just physically weaker.
The Gandalf pun made me stick around for the video
Well made
Thank you
Always entertaining to watch fairly clueless fans making these types of videos. Really entertaining
This video is specifically on the movies only, and I rewatched all the extended editions while taking notes. If you think what you think you know supersedes my re-watches with not taking, you are extremely arrogant.
I think you made a mistake. In the LOTR a person's power of will and resistance to temptation was just as important or even more important of an attribute than how physically powerful or good in combat you were. Frodo and Sam might be physically weak but they were mentally stronger than anyone else in the book. Nobody could have withstood what they did for as long as they did with maybe the exception of Gandalf...maybe
Beeing a Movie based Tierlist its pretty solid...taking all books into account i think it would change quite a bit for some characters but as its just movies i like it :D
Bro please debate King Bullet,Broku and Tylearn on some MCU power scaling and whether or not people like Iron Man,Captain America,Spider-Man with the Iron Spider Suit,Hulk,Thor,Captain Marvel,Scarlett Witch,Doctor Strange,and Thanos should be higher in the Top 20 to 15 to 10 most powerful MCU characters ever of all time list as of now anyway.....
Also, Gandalf vs Voldemort vs Doctor Strange vs Wanda could be interesting
Gandalf would own Voldemort, Wanda would own everyone else and doctor strange would own Voldemort but not the other three.
wanda is omniversal reality changer
Truly worst list ever
How so?
Just to kinda clear it up the o my dwarves that were considered “warriors” were Thorin, dwalin, Balin, Kili, and Fili. This is clarified in the scene were they are all around Bilbos table.
In the books it wasn't Galadriel who drove Sauron from Dol Guldur but a 'device of Saruman' according to Gandalf at the Council of Elrond.
It's a good one for the movies XD, because in the books probably it will change a lot. For example, Gandalf the White was the only one who could fight Sauron and maybe have a chance to win in a 1v1.
I loved it 🙂
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Well is true and for the most part right since you put them in tiers by what they did in the movies , in the books Aragorn smokes Legolas and pretty much everyone , he's very op
If I remember correctly it is also hinted that the elves are less powerful than they used to be in 'the age of man'. So humans were as powerful as elves if not more powerful, but in the past Elves were tossing around cave trolls like it was nothing. That is atleast the impression I got.
I know u see that only from the perspective of the movies but where would u put tom bombaldil in ur list?
my only addition would be that the eagles would have been killed at the black gate by the fellbeast, the fellbeast and their riders were less driven off and more drawn away when they sensed Frodo with the ring steps away from the edge of mount doom and were attempting to reach him. However to go more in depth than that if we are talking about the older eagles in the first age especially some of the named ones (who have fought dragons) its safe to say the fellbeast would be torn to ribbons
Can you do one from the Books?
legolas in the movies : *i am your god*
legolas in the books : *dainty fairy prince*
You should do one on the books
Even your run of the mill Elf warrior should be able to deal with Merry, Pippin and Bilbo, barring plot armor. Some of those guys have CENTURIES of experience.
lets just forget about tom bombadil and the books saying about him that he could have tossed the ring into the mountain and defeat sauron but also be home for lunch on the same day? :D
no quote but i remember reading something like this xD
Never read the books but he sounds like he has a massive ego and very dislikeable
I think Legolas's biggest advantage is actually his agility and acrobatics, in sword fighting, he's as you say, around Aragorn level and he's a really good bowman, but it's not like he's leagues better than someone like Tauriel or other elves/well trained humans. His agility and acrobatics is what really propels him above a lot of people, because he can easily out manoeuvre almost every character here besides maybe Tauriel
Just curious where would you put talion from the games?
I haven't played the games so I can't say.