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Have you ever wondered about the strongest race during the War of the Ring? And how it came to be that way?
Well, that is what we look at today!
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00:00 - Intro
00:59 - The Different Races
04:09 - The Past Ages
06:29 - Angmar, the Witch-king & their Enemies
10:41 - Rohan & Gondor
12:25 - The Lands to the East & Men
14:28 - The Dwarves
15:32 - The Elves
17:29 - Round-up Conclusion
19:10 - QotD & Thank you’s!
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The High Elves in Rivendell and Lindon were of the highest race ever to inhabit Middle Earth. However by the War of the Ring, I would say Gondor. As said at the Council of Elrond "Only the waning might of Gondor holds Mordor from marching upon the Havens."
Yet, Rivendell wielded more "soft power" than any other kingdom. It's influence was from Lindon to mirkwood to gondor. Elves, men and dwarves all respected and heeded Rivendell. It was genius how Tolkien portrayed it. The smallest elven realm had the most effect.
Dain Ironfoot is the best military general in the history of Middle-earth, a strategist of genius and tactician of subtlety and cunning! Do the video! Make the guy do it!
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@@TheBrokenSword no but for real definitely do the video brother. Also thank you for being one of the few truly great channels that deal with middle earth lore
@@christianmino4073 haha i'm talking to myself bro, we will definitely do this video. because my man asked me to source the claim and i said, personal opinion haha
Is there any actual basis for those claims? Which battles did he win?
I'm pretty sure he was being funny, saying that the dwarves are the greatest. I think Turin would've been a better strategist than Dain
“Three times Lórien had been assailed from Dol Guldur, but besides the valour of the elven people of that land, the power that dwelt there was too great for any to overcome, unless Sauron had come there himself”
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The Lord of the Rings
The "Power" in this case i think refers to the Ring Galadriel posseses. I believe she was wielding it to both maintain Lorien and oppose adversaries.
@@balogungaa2301 The 3 Elven Rings were not weapons...
"They were forged by Celebrimbor and his smiths with the desire of "understanding, making, and healing" and granted the power to preserve all things unstained..."
@@Nihm420 What about the Ring with Gandalf, I'm sure it enhanced his Pyro abilities. The Rings of power are not weapons per se,but they do enhance the bearer like Galadriel though already formidable in her own right,was enhanced by bearing one.
"Nenya the Ring of Adamant was entrusted to Galadriel. BY THE POWER OF THE RING'S ENCHANTMENTS AND IT'S LADY'S ARTS ARE THE WOODS OF LOTHLORIEN KEPT SAFE FROM THE FORCES OF DARKNESS"
@@balogungaa2301 Bro.... did you pull that quote from the Weta Workshop page selling Nenya for collectors...?
Dude... I was half-asleep listening to this.... around 7:00 when out of nowhere it blasts the Eowyn vs Witch King sound effects. That shit scared the fuck out of me!
Yep. I thought someone was breaking in the house myself with some break in the house music
Man. The race of man has the highest turnaround in the Tolkien mythos and there are many heroes that stand shoulder to shoulder with Dwarven and elven heroes.
Absolutely! Even the firstborn called the Heroes among the Mortal Race "The Heavy-Handed"
First age you have to say Elves - who else but a High Elf could wound Morgoth himself! Fingolfin RULES! - but even so, you had Hurin Thalion, Tuor, Turin Turambar, and Beren One-Hand.
In the Third Age it's definitely Men.
What-if video idea for you to do:
What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
Men had Gondor, Rhun, Rohan, Easterlings, Harad, Umbar, the lands even east of Rhun, the great northern mountains range,
I would say the dwarves are the strongest, but only over short distances
Short distance indeed, they are wasted on cross-country!
As for those who could win a physical war, I don't think of Hobbits; but then I remember "Samwise the Brave." Who else, other than Tom Bombadil, could hold the ring of power so unaffected?
Peter Jackson originally wanted Sam to find the ring in Bilbo's/Frodo's garden while gardening at the beginning of fellowship but the film would have been quite short as Sam would just have ate a bowl of taters and hurled the ring straight into the fires of Mount Doom from Bagend.
I wish Tolkien gave us more on the Dwarves of Middle-Earth. We barely know anything about them. The 2 houses in the Blue Mountains had roles in the First Age but then nothing after that. We know absolutely nothing about the 4 houses in the far east. We don't know much about the Longbeard's who settled in the Grey Mountains and Iron Hills either.
Agreed
I would love to hear more about Dane ironfoot.
Well based on what we know from either the books and films, the remaining high elves sailed to the west, the drawves have nearly died out and the dominion of men was in effect. So it really between gondor and mordor.
Drawves died out? No, they stayed in their Halls of stone deep within the mountains in the 4th age, never to come out. So they're still alived but sad they'll never leave their caverns ever again. Like in those story books in our world.
@@donpula6349 but your forgetting their 19 year war with dragons in the grey mountains to the 7 year war of the drawves and orcs. Following the famous battle of five armies and the battle of Dale.
@@anthonyhanks1807 Yes I was awared I was talking about the 4th age. Now with the death of the Balrog, allowing the exile Drawves to take back Moria from the Gollums. Take too back their home and restored everything back to its former glory. Till the exodus of most of the Elves went westward for Valinor and Men became the dominant race there in Middle Earth. This changes everything and Dwarves never come out of their caves due of their love of mining and crafting. That which they will never contact the outside world especially to their kin from Erebor - The Lonely Mountain. Sad isn't it?
@@donpula6349 We just don't know enough about the dwarves. After the 1st Age we know very little about 6 of the 7 houses of the dwarves.
You said all we know about them in the 4th Age. They never came out of their halls again. During the Third Age all 7 houses of the dwarves got a huge beating fighting the orcs. Who knows if they were able to recover their numbers from that. We know Gimli found a small colony in the Glittering Caves before he went West.
@@cjtrules1 Yes the colony he founded within the white mountians behind Helm's deep. The "Gliterring cave" or "Aglarond" - "The Caves of Glory". Also its too bad that we wouldn't about the other 4 Drawven clans in the east and we know thats where the Blue Wizard (1 of the 5 members of the Istari) stationed there. The East and its inhabitants still remained unexplored and we'll never know too.
Nice work dude thanks
The main reason to do a Dain Ironfoot video is to give a real picture of this great character, rather than the cartoonish caricature given in the Hobbit movies. So it's justified!
This is a fun video and love the idea!
Boys, to celebrate Wales being in the World Cup, I wonder if you'd consider doing a video on the influence of Welsh in Tolkien's work? Not only on Sindarin, but also how it initiated his interest in language which eventually led to LOTR? There's a lot revealing stuff in his 1955 lecture "English and Welsh" which is available online. I know it's not quite your usual content but just a thought! It would be interesting 🙂
Either way, C'mon Cymru! 🏴🏴
We did a short on that exact topic about 8 months ago 😊
@@TheBrokenSword I will go looking for it then, thanks!
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That depends entirely on the definition of 'strongest'. Militarily, psychologically, longest living, longest /surviving/, etc.
No judgement, we all make mistakes... But I think the sound editing was off in this video. Specifically, when you're talking about the Witch King of Angmar early on in the video, the soundbite of Eowyn killing him from the movies plays, and then a minute or two later when you mentioned the prophecy of his death and how it plays out, you show the clip of her killing him, which is silent other than the ambient music of the video itself. So, not sure if that's an easy edit to fix it or if it's not worth the time/effort, but I figured I'd mention it.
As always, I love all the content, the videos you guys create are incredible. Keep up the great work!
How about a video on why Dark Lords never take wives, and never have little evil heirs?
Rohan, Gondor, Harad, Rhun, and Dale were all Men.
They were the strongest at this point.
Dwarves and elves combined couldn't have taken the combination of Mumakhil and Rohirrim.
I am going to say the Dwarves. And, for men, I'd say the Dunedain.
I went with the dwarves too before I saw the video. I wasn't taking into account the forces of each race.
All dwarven background is the most interesting imo
Smooth transition into that ad man😂
Why thank you 😂
In a one off battle I'd, say the elves with unparalleled skill and experience, closely followed by dwarves as they were particularly hardy and the most battle ready people, the men. In a drawn out war, men no doubt
I would love a video about Dain Ironfoot
Either the Dunadine, Sauron, or The Noldor.
None of those are races. Dúnedain and Noldor are subgroups of Men and Elves. Sauron is a Maia.
@@cjtrules1 so??
@@cjtrules1 so Maiar, elves and men. How’s that!
@@neilgoldsmith482 So... the title of the video is strongest RACE.
Video idea: What if Durin's Bane was never awakened?
Only if they stop digging too deep...
If they're not so greedy. Greed was the weakness among the Dwarves, it blinded and clouded their own minds.
The race of Men was by far the strongest, except maybe the Orcs. Rohan can raise 12000 horsemen, Gondor could raise 20000-30000, Umbar's fleet numbered over 200 ships, so likely in the tens of thousands, and the Haradrim and Easterlings can likely also raise armies of a similar number, not to mention the Kingdom of Dale, which could raise a few thousand strong army probably. Orc numbers are hard to say, but given how there were ten thousand from Isengard, and maybe 30000-50000 at Minas Tirith(depends on how large a percentage of that army was Haradrim), and over 100000 at the Black Gates, plus tens of thousands were launched from Dol Guldur against Lothlorien and Mirkwood. So well over 100000 for Men, and at least 200000 for the Orcs, though these would be of far lesser quality.
The Elves don't even come close. Rivendell only seems to have a few hundred residents, and the most populated of the Elven realms, Mirkwood, I would say up to ten thousand, but probably less, leaving Lindon and Lothlorien probably in the low thousands. I would say there's 15000-20000 elves in Middle Earth during the Lord of the Rings.
The Dwarves are a bit better, because while there were only thousands in Erebor, probably less than ten thousand, the eastern Dwarves and The Dwarves of the Blue Mountains are so obscure that it is practically impossible to tell how much dwarves are there. Maybe they are all like Erebor, or there are literally millions of them and they are about to overrun Middle Earth. But since Erebor was one of the stronger Dwarven realms of the time, I'm leaning more towards the former.
But the deal breaker her is that unlike those of the other races, the mannish realms only have a small portion of the population at arms, meaning they could replenish their losses far better and faster than the others, even the Orcs.
Yes more dwarf videos
More Dain please! Cannot wait to hear about him
I say Bombadil the strategizer. He knew to give Merry the knife that would distract the Witch King allowing Eowyn to kill it. Time/future/past and power mean little to Tom. On the other hand influencing his goals seems his domain.
What happened at about 6:50 in the video? I heard some sound effects that probably didn't belong, made me jump out of my seat
Do the Maiar count as a race? They probably lack the numbers but possibly 5 wizards, Sauron, Durins Bane maybe severa other Balrogs and maybe the eagles?
I don't know how this could be a tough question to answer for anyone who at least watched the LOTR trilogy. Third Age is called Age of Men for a reason.
Dwarves couldn't help the Men of the West much since all seven houses were involved in the War of Dwarves and Orcs earlier in the Third Age and suffered huge losses. 4 of the houses lived in the far east so they would be closest to the Easterlings of Rhûn, but we don't hear about them at all. 2 other houses lived in the Blue Mountains which were in the far west of Eriador. These 6 houses were nowhere close to the Realms of Men and were probably too weak anyways. The only Dwarven stronghold that was close to Gondor and Rohan was the Longbeard's in the Misty Mountains but we all know they fled Khazad-dûm because of Durin's Bane. With that the closest stronghold for the Longbeard's was Erebor which was in the north of Rhovanion and east of Mirkwood, so it was still very far away. Even if they wanted to help the Men of the West Erebor became occupied by fighting the Easterlings.
I mean, Ents, obviously.
Got any real questions?
Even though there's a decent amount of background concerning Ironfoot, more than some characters that actually appear in the trilogy, who wouldn't love some deeper insight into this amazing Dwarf.
I thought this was going to be about who were the strongest fighters, like individually. As a group, men fielded the largest and strongest armies by the beginning of the 4th age. Individually, I'd say the top tier remaining elves were the strongest fighters, with maybe the sole exception of Aragorn. Elrond and his closest companions would have seen many centuries of fighting, thousands of year to hone combat skills, not to mention the inherent quasi-magic buffs and wisdom, especially the Noldor left around. I think if it was a battle royal between a group of the dozen top fighters from each race, the Elves would win, though if it was total armies facing off the Men would have the advantage.
Elves, they never seem askared when in battle.
My guess before watching the video: I suppose that would be the orcs, or really all of Saurons peoples, seeing as they would have won the war of the ring if not for Frodo, Sam and Gollum. Even after losing the seige of Minas Tirith, the forces of the orcs and evil men were still more than enough to crush the last Gondorians and Rohirrim.
If I can only pick one race specifically, and not the Alliance of people that worked for Sauron, I would still guess the orcs, considering their sheer numbers.
After wathing the video: At first I resoned that men were not the strongest by themselves due to the fact that they neded the valour of all the free peoples to defeat Sauron, but i did not think about the fact that the men serving Sauron still count as men. I suppose that in the event of evil winning it is possible that Sauron would have ectually replaced his orcs with his human servants, after all, humans are far more orderly and reliable than the orcs of middle earth. In that case Saurons victory would still bring about the age of men, although mankind would be the slaves of the dark lord.
With that in mind I do belive that Tolkiens men would win in a battle royale between the races of middle earth, if we assume that the westerners, southrons and easterlings all team up, they would have so many diffrent strenghts, and I suppose its possible they would outnumber the orcs. I doubt the elves and dwarves would stand much of a chance, they would be to few in number, the dwarves of Erebor nearly lost against the easterlings, and they were allied with the men of Dale. They elves would have some powerful fighters, but again, there were so few of them, and I don't think the couple of elves who were really strong, like Galadriel or Thranduil, would be enough to make a diffrence.
I’m guessing, before watching, that orcs won’t be on the list.
"strongest" is also subjective. Even during the War of the Ring, the race of Men were stronger than the orcs despite the orcs being a larger force. If we are also going with ALL Men of Middle-Earth like you were saying with the Southrons, Easterlings, and Men of the West then they absolutely blow orcs out of the water with their numbers as well. Remember orcs are not smart. None of them were commanders of the various orc armies. The orc armies are all led by The Nazgûl. The one orc lieutenant in the movies, Gothmog isn't even confirmed to be an orc in the books and was 2nd in command under the Witch-King. This favors Men greatly since they are well organized, trained, and had great leadership.
Depends on the definition of the word power.
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Physically, it has to the the trolls. Magically, it's the elves. Sheer numbers, men.
I’d say dwarves would take the day in a battle royals, at a great cost though
The Rohirrim. What else could I choose?? 😅
*Brohirrim don’t you mean? 😂😂
@@TheBrokenSword 😅
I thought the video was about their individual physical strength not as a race lol
You got the dwarves in the iron Mountains wich posess knowledge similar to telchar where humans are not great in skills so dwarves by far
Dwarves all the way! Baruk Khazad Khazad ia Menu love the vid and I would love a Dain Ironfoot video
Mankind FTW
Muster the Rohirrm
What about the ents though
Ah so this isn’t about individuals it’s about the combined everyone form a specific race against that of another. I think it has been stated clearly enough that it would be men. The numbers would be ridiculously overwhelming, and while there were no numenoreans anymore, the dunedain were on par with dwarves still imo or could at least compete. And of course the most important was, Men were far more versatile than the likes of the dwarves for instance.
I would say the Dwarves in the Third age as most Elves were gone by then. As for where this is going. The Enemy of My Enemy is my Friend or at least Ally. Most of what you’re saying is second age. The question said third age. Is this by Amazon history?
"Azog sent me"
Honestly it feels like when this is being asked would determine the outcome. In the first age it’s easily the elves. In the third age it is probably men but it is not as clear
Hell Hammerhand and The grandness of the decentants that defeated Sauron. The Dunedain rangers of the north.
To answer the question of the day: I think it would be the men. They were the most numerous.
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Hobbit strength lies in their heart, not in the reach of their arm. A hardy folk they are. The only race in middle earth who’s not easily corrupted by the ring.
Peter Jackson also kind of made Boromir a worst person in the movies as well. I mean our first introduction to him is him playing with, hurting himself with, and then disrespectfuly and arrogantly in front of others leaving an ancent artifact of his kingdom lying on the ground. After essentially calling it garbage.....not a great first impression going around as a diplomatic guest and messing with your hosts possessions without a care.
who would also smash Galadriel? ( PJ version )
She was OK. I'm not fond of that actress at all. The amazon bastardization shall remain the vile banshee that she is. She makes the Jackson version seem like a smokin' hot babe.
namless things! they would come on top
Yeah, as diverse as a CMA nomination list
Since men are the only race left today, it's a rock paper scissors with Man, No man, and Witch King. But the real answer is obviously elves.
Elves are 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
More Dain please!
The strongest race in The Lord of the Rings, the beasts in the forest that are huge and resemble spiders. And they eat small real spiders just like usual. Bites them and inside the bite is an enZym that paralyzes prey. Roll it into white silk spidel tissue. And they hang upside down. When they are hungry, they suck out the juice, leaving only the outer shell.
Dain Ironfoot video please!
The Strongest RACE was Man, fighting for both for good and for evil. Not even counting the Ring Wraiths as coming from the house of man in the third age.
Dáin, plz.
Men its kinda the point of the series. The elves are leaving the dwarves are in their halls of stone and. The elves dwindled as men increase
This seems like a question that sort of misses the point. Never-the-less monologues on pointless hypotheticals is my fetish. So here we are. 👍🏿
The mightiest race in battle among the incarnates was not actually the Ñoldor, even the elves of the Light. It was the Dwarves.
"In the battles that followed the Dwarves were outnumbered, and though they were the most redoubtable warriors of all the Speaking Peoples they were glad to make alliance with Men." -HoME XII, the peoples of Middle-earth.
No distinctions are made. Of all the 'speaking peoples', including the Elves of the Light. The Dwarves were the greatest warriors Arda has ever had among the incarnates.
That statement would be true at the time it was made, I'm sure - do you know when that was? I'm just thinking the Noldor that first came over with Feanor and Fingolfin, with the Light of Valinor still in their eyes would probably have taken the Dwarves of any era.
@@sweeperboy Late First Age. It also holds true as of the Nirnaeth Arnoediad.
The dwarves may not have had as great warriors as Fëanor and Fingolfin, but the average dwarf would be a more skilled warrior than the average Ñoldo, light or not.
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if you were to put all ever created of each species... it would either be orcs or humans.. they reproduced like cockroaches and would just have numbers on their side. if you took the "mightest" warrior of each species it would probably be the istari (wizards) depending on the rules of the fight. if it was mele then the elf would win, if they just "randomly" showed up somewhere and had to fight, the istari would win
I think physically the dwarves are strongest. Mentally it would probably be the hobbits then maybe elves. Men were mentally weak and easily corrupted and they were also weak physically too.
But I think the wizards might be the strongest in all categories but not able to show it in full capacity.
The orcs. If they united
Do elves shave?
No. They don't grow beards. There is one exception but that's exception.
@@ReasonAboveEverything I'm aware I was referring to the ad
MEN whould’ve had no chance…It would’ve been between dwarves and elves… Dwarves managed to kill Thingol…yes they were killed after that but still to kill an elven king is not the easiest of the tasks
But this is during the Lord of the Rings, not the Quenta Silmarillion.
Strongest - hobbits. They have deception on their side.
Weakest - Ring Wraith. These guys scream like biotches the whole time then someone lights a match and waves it at them, then bam they hightail out!
Men don't use skin care products
Men
Overlooking Hobbits, just like Sauron. smh
Let's get a video of dain
But the hobbits have many legends of their great fighters. I don't remember the details but there was an account in one book about a hobbit knocking an orcs head off and it bouncing down a rabbit hole or something.
I like the book and movies but I have to suspend my own intlligence and ignore the fear of actual Moors woven throughout.
Men.
dorf.
I think the Maiar were the strongest, despite their small number. Without Sauron, none of the wars would have been necessary. Without Saruman, the others might have defeated Sauron much earlier. Without Gandalf, they wouldn't have defeated him at all. And the balrog actually took out Gandalf before he got his special dispensation. Honestly, since Illuvatar was going to intervene anyway (by sending Gandalf back), he may as well have intervened by taking all the Maiar, including the balrogs, Sauron and the wizards, OUT of Middle Earth and saving everyone much heartache (as well as the entirety of the plot 😃).
That's a faulty analysis.
The Free Peoples needed to defeat Sauron for themselves and overcome his darkness. That was the price Men needed to pay to become masters of the world (save Aman).
It's quoted all the way back in the Ainulindalë, by Ilúvatar himself-
"And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined."
Evil needed to exist in the world for there to be such a thing as 'good'. Adversity needed to exist for the sake of betterment. If Ilúvatar had simply resolved the Free People's problems, they would have turned out far worse- weak, and reliant on powers other than their own wills.
And without the vast majority of good maiar such as Gandalf, the peoples of the world wouldn't have had the opportunity to overcome their tyrants and oppressors.
Both the good and the evil maiar- as well as every single Ainu spirit, including Melkor- had their purpose within Eä.
@@Count.Saruman That's all the religious ret-con, which I don't care about in fiction or in this world. I was talking about the facts on the (fictional) ground, and I wasn't taking it all that seriously. I'd just rank the Maiar who lived in Middle Earth as the most influential beings in Middle Earth.
@@Cat_Woods Too christian, perhaps, but it isn't a retcon. It was in the original text of the Silmarillion.
The maiar did have a lot of influence, true, but getting rid of them wouldn't have helped anything.
@@Count.Saruman If Illuvatar had simply forbidden all Maiar from living in Middle Earth and enforced that, all the worst problems are solved at the outset. You do still have a problem: no plot. That's what I meant about not being too serious about it. It's actually funny how much that would solve. There's still the "Melkor's ring" evil embedded in Middle Earth, and Melkor has to be dealt with eventually -- but by Illuvatar and/or the Valar, not by those who live in Middle Earth. Middle Earth would be so much better off.
To me all that stuff about how these people need evil (to have something to fight against for the sake of developing their characters) is just post-hoc rationalization for the fact that in the real world, evil happens without a good reason. But you're of course welcome to your own opinion. And of course you're right that your opinion matches the canon -- Tolkien was a Christian.
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We all know the Hobbits. The only group that destroyed Sauron.
This video is beyond racist.
Hobbits of course bilbo gave up the ring frodo carried the ring Sam gave the ring up to frodo what other race could do that answer none
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