I feel like instead of taxing us more to pay teachers they need to remove the incessant amount of administration staff at schools. Why the heck does my school need 4 assistant principles, 4 deans, 5 front desk people, 2 people who sit in the attendance office all day, 3 librarians (nobody ever uses the books), 1 dedicated book keeper, 3 accountants, 10 general administrative staff, a psychologist ( who doesn't even teach psychology in spite of it being a course), and 6 counselors? I swear the admin to teacher ratio is nearing 1:2 which is absurd.
boyrecon most of the teachers were somewhat well payed and then there was a market crash in 2008. Because of this, their paychecks and school funding got cut. Ever scince the economy got up and running again the teachers haven’t gotten their original pay back, hence the teacher strike.
@@AngelicBreath1111 Teachers salaries, in almost every single district across the united states, are protected by union contracts. Teachers were one of the few jobs in the country that were not affected by the 2008 recession. As a matter of fact, here in Illinois, it is in the state constitution that teacher salaries and pension payouts are permanently protected and can never be adjusted, unless a 2/3 majority of the state legislature agrees to readdress it.
They need to get rid of the part of the system where it is virtually impossible to hold teachers accountable and fire them when they neglect their jobs. I also know some areas of the country teachers aren't getting paid much, but where I am teachers are making out like bandits yet they still moan about having to do their jobs. It never ends.
@@silasbishop3055 that would be an improvement. The ethical end would be that parents are not stolen from via taxation and people are free to choose their learning.
I'm a high schooler with a 504 plan and ADHD, but none of my teachers have actually implemented the system and my oldest teacher, who is most likely tenured, hasn't shown up to any meetings we've had and didn't even sign the contract. The school system sucks.
Not to mention all the other ridiculous benefits that they receive. The worst part is that they think that they know everything and don’t get enough money/benefits.
In Florida teachers receive almost 15 weeks vacation. All of this time off includes: 14 personal days during the school year, summer vacation and all major holidays. 15 weeks is almost 3.50 months downtime. Teachers have a negative habit of complaining about their salaries, however they rarely face consequences when their students struggle academically. Granting teachers tenure was a critical mistake in the U.S. In Florida, the average teacher takes home about $49,000 after taxes, medical insurance and retirement contributions have been deducted from their checks. In Florida, most teachers are not required to hold a graduate degree. In Florida, the average salary for a principal is about $64,000 after deductions. Most administrators hold a graduate degree. If a teacher tells you he or she is underpaid, they are lying to your face. In Florida, teachers can elect to receive a portion of their salary during summer vacation or they can receive their entire salary during the school year.
Teachers unions need to go I had overpaid terrible teachers and wonderful underpaid teachers that were bullied into leaving, one guy was my social studies teacher and he was basically pushed into quitting.
$30,000-$105,000 a year for 180-190 days of work! Some get yearly bonuses, too! I think most are paid somewhere in the middle. $30,000 is $2,500/mo and $35,000 is 2900-$3000/mo! So, yeah! And, if you make on the lower end of that and want to earn more, you have a lot of resources and time to earn even more! UNDERPAID?!
"40 hour week contract" you're conveniently leaving out the fact that teachers regularly report to work beyond those contract hours on a regular basis. Summers off, are not exactly summers off. Not sure why you are so jaded, but go work in a public school and then see if you still feel the same way.
I literally have worked in a public school I know what I am talking about. Teachers who work all that extra are typically not the brightest bulbs and are markedly inefficient in their work. If they are struggling because of trying to accommodate IEP and 504, that is about how school itself fails kids.
No you don't. I'm glad someone like you left the profession if you don't see the value and importance of teachers. I have soo many issues with your video especially when you spout "fact" without providing any annotation or citation, but we'll get to that in a second. First I want to draw your attention to a quote you said " the responsibilities teachers have cannot be fulfilled in the contract hours." You said that but yet in this post you say "Teachers who work all that extra are typically not the brightest bulbs and are markedly inefficient in their work." Sounds like somebody doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about if he can't keep his own bullshit straight. Let's go on to your "facts" which aren't. "the average teacher makes about the same gross annual income as the average worker." Let's first look at why this is bullshit even if it were true. Considering majority of teachers have graduate degrees, why the fuck should they be making the same as "the average worker" when roughly 32% of the population even holds a college education. So that means more than 2/3 of workers don't have a degree yet you're saying that teachers making the same is okay when about 60% of teachers have graduate degrees? I'm not gonna dispute the fact of this more so just how stupid you sound saying this statement. Let's move on though "The average teacher only makes "slightly less" (btw nice scientific terms" than the average college graduate." Um no. Average teacher makes about 59k whereas the average BA holder makes about 61k HOWEVER, we need to factor in the fact that 58% of teachers have advanced degrees and they average about 72k a year. (72,000)(.58)+(61,000)(.42)=67380. So that's about 9k higher than the average teacher's salary. Now, you're using wormy sleezy words like "slightly" but I'm pretty sure almost 10k in difference is no where near slightly lower. "teachers have a 40 week contract and "several" months off." Considering you even said "the responsibilities teachers have cannot be fulfilled in the contract hours," then the whole notion of comparing using contract hours is bullshit because in ANY OTHER profession any work outside contract hours or "overtime" is given overtime pay. Since teacher's don't get said overtime pay...... Yea your facts are kinda sounding more like opinions. "Teachers generally have annual contract security after the first 1-3 years." Sorta, but you can still be laid off and since people like you hate funding education, layoffs happen OFTEN. Let's just consider this year. Hundred's of thousands of teachers were laid off. So overall your whatever this was was a waste of time to watch and for you to make. You say teachers make enough yet you aren't a teacher anymore..... You spout facts without providing citation or any form of proof other than the condescending "fact" proclamation before each bullet point. This may persuade the typical UA-cam viewer to take you at your word, but not the educated one like my self. If you were a teacher than you should be educated so there's no excuse for this bull. Either you really aren't that smart, or you're a bold faced liar. Oh, and let's not forget the biggest fact. TEACHERS ARE INTEGRAL TO SOCIETY. So the fact that people like you want to come on here and say they don't deserve to make a decent living is a joke. Without teachers society would crumble. We saw this back in 2020 with people praising teachers, yet in July trolls like you were out saying "they don't want to work." Imagine if educators stopped working..... That maybe a good thing for you then, because then more people would buy your snake oiled bullshit. www.businessnewsdaily.com/9209-essential-us-jobs.html www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-teachers-insig/u-s-schools-lay-off-hundreds-of-thousands-setting-up-lasting-harm-to-kids-idUSKBN23B39R www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2021/02/22/new-from-us-census-bureau-number-of-americans-with-a-bachelors-degree-continues-to-grow/?sh=6c6892b77bbc www.bls.gov/careeroutlook/2018/data-on-display/education-pays.htm www.bls.gov/ooh/education-training-and-library/mobile/high-school-teachers.htm nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=58#:~:text=Do%20you%20have%20any%20information,%E2%80%932000%20(47%20percent). www.niche.com/blog/teacher-salaries-in-america/
@@Tony29103 - public school teachers are indoctrinators - paid to make obedient slaves. If you can’t see that, then there’s no hope for you. Sorry I don’t have a bunch of BS “citations” to give you, as I simply use rational thought and the consequences I observe before me.
@@Tony29103 teachers are so integral to society yet basically everyone forgets what they learned in school. Grade school is great at making sure kids grow to be dependant sheep but not so good at teaching.
@@harrisonk4288 yeah! how dare teachers want to get compensated fairly for their work and be able to not have to worry about whether they're going to be able to eat tomorrow!
He’s literally just spitting bullshit LMAO right at the start he doesn’t even acknowledge the fact that teachers are not average college graduates. You have to do four years of schooling on top of at least a one year credential program where you have to work full time student teaching, and it’s very rarely paid making it impossible to hold down a job while doing it.
@@143Oshawott Ain't that the truth! Also it's never paid unless you are in a state that allows you to have a provisional license (in MN we have a tiered license system so as long as you have a BA and a school will hire you you can get a tiered 2 license) so if you have that and student teach in your own room I believe you still get paid or if you hold a sub license and sub for your coop teacher. Also here's how you know he's full of it. He said in the video "there's not enough time for teachers to fulfil their duties during the contract day" then in a comment somewhere here he said "those teachers that work outside of school hours are usually not the cream of the crop."
@@Tony29103 Oh yes I’m actually lucky enough to get paid a stipend in LAUSD but that’s literally because they are so understaffed that they have to or else no one will do it! And it shouldn’t even be a by state or district thing you are working a full time job you should be paid for it especially since there’s no hope for you to hold a job down. And yeah there’s no stopping teachers from doing work outside of class. Between the prep period you may get and lunch break that isn’t enough time to answer student and parent questions. Hold after school/lunch sessions for students that need it and grading and lesson plans it’s absurd that he would expect any human being to be able to do all of that everyday while actively teaching during their “work” hours.
@@143Oshawott Oh you lucky shit. Yea I so agree, or at the very least not pay tuition. I mean that I thought was the biggest F-u. Not only are you working full time, not getting paid, but then you pay tuition for working. During my undergrad during a break for some seminar I can't remember i got bored and calculated how much a teacher or ed major spends on their major that no other major does. 900+ extra just for the tests, insurance, CPR certif, background checks etc. It's crap. Well the worst thing about him, well okay aside from his condescending "facts" (btw which aren't) but the worst is he says "teachers can't get everything done" and then chastises those who don't. So glad the likes of him left education.
I understand you're looking at this objectively. And I totally think one has to when looking at this. But may I say that your video kind of is misleading and a little confusing. Only because you say "teachers aren't underpaid they just aren't paid for all of the hours that they are held responsible for." This almost sounds like a contradiction I don't know if you mean it to. The only other thing I will say is everyone who tries to take this into argument looks at only the average they do not take out the top 5% that are working either at a super big school that pays well or the teacher has been there 50 years and gets paid more. They're quite a few states were if you take out these people you can usually drop the average pay about $5,000 a year if not more...
They aren't underpaid because their contract is what is called "Salary." Teachers are typically paid to work a certain number of office hours and, if they choose, could work above those hours. Teachers often feel the stress of the workload, but being "underpaid" is a misnomer because they cannot be "underpaid" for a salary paid by force forcible takings. There are only market demands and force. As they are not "market actors," they are being paid whatever is given to them. It would be no different than a robber complaining that their robbery was "underpaid" because they only found $20 in the wallet they stole.
@@JackLloyd a robber doesn't know there is $20 in that wallet. A teacher, for the most part, knows their salary going in. The time working becomes the issue, not the money paid. A better analogy would be somebody being paid $20 to wash a car. They spent 2 hours instead the 1 hour they were told it would take. $10/hr looks underpaid compared to the $20/hr they envisioned.
Bruh my teachers are getting payed so fucking much I am currently at 2nd year highschool And my teachers judge my handwriting and make me repeat all the work I get treated differently just because I used to be in a private school My school currently is public and I moved there because of the "cough cough virus" But still just because I used to be in a private school doesn't mean they can give me more work and treat me like shit I ain't capping my life sucks right now
Sorry to hear! There is a better way. Learn more here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unschooling#:~:text=Unschooling%20is%20a%20form%20of,rather%20than%20a%20set%20curriculum.
I don't know if your title is serious considering your argument mostly states reason why teachers should be paid more. In any case your facts regarding payrates are false or most likely way out of date for why teachers are underpaid. I do not know where you get you statistics from but the U.S. bureau of labor statistics indicate teachers are paid far under the average yearly pay rate for their education level in almost all areas in the US. Despite what contracts say it is understood that the workload an average teacher has can not be done in a 40 work week in the given school year. In fact if averaged out across a 52 week time span with no vacations an average teacher will work approximately 40hrs a week. some of your arguments actually support this. Having worked in areas where teacher do and do not have union protections, teachers benefits and pay are more than often better in areas where there are unions. This is because other than private schools where teacher pay is funded by government taxes and budget a teacher can not under mostly any circumstance get a raise beyond what what is currently given based on budget. teacher often are afraid and can not leave their teaching positions because teaching skill and credentials more than often does not translate to the public sector job market. Despite the title of the video when listening to your argument you it seems you more or less agreeing. Wish I had more time to argue my points but despite it is saturday I had to go to my classroom and setup for monday because I don't have enough time to do so during school hours and I have to be ready in case I get a walk-in evaluation as it is that time of the year.
Your entire paragraph misses that the idea of what teachers "should" be paid is wholly a subjective valuation and that any payment to teachers is predicated on violent theft.
Zack J oh no I am so scared he’s a engineer I am so sorry sir. Like what does your comment even suppose to mean, I hate teachers yet your saying my teacher is a mom
@@JackLloyd yeah, I was gonna say but I didn't want to come across as rude. They're overworked because they allow themselves to be. Schools could probably fire you and hire someone else who will overwork, but if enough teachers stop allowing it, they would have to fix it.
Show me where that happens. Also underpaid doesn't mean poor. You seem to think "oh they make enough to get by maybe with some new toys that's all they need." Based on how much work they do objectively they are underpaid. This jackass even said "it's impossible for teachers to do their duties in the contract time." Well then pay overtime? Oh right they don't.
@@Tony29103 half of my teachers drove luxury cars and carried designer bags and then complained they weren’t paid enough when all they did was use the same lesson plan of PowerPoint slides every year for 15 years in a row
What sources do you wish to have? "Underpaid" is a subjective valuation. If you want teacher salary data: www.bls.gov/ooh/education-training-and-library/kindergarten-and-elementary-school-teachers.htm#:~:text=%2439%2C810-,The%20median%20annual%20wage%20for%20elementary%20school%20teachers%2C%20except%20special,was%20%2459%2C670%20in%20May%202019.&text=more%20than%20%2497%2C900.-,The%20median%20annual%20wage%20for%20kindergarten%20teachers%2C%20except%20special%20education,percent%20earned%20more%20than%20%2490%2C180. www.bls.gov/ooh/education-training-and-library/high-school-teachers.htm
The only other answer if contract says 40 hours then they should invest 40 hours. That doesn't make any sense. Oh I forget about this: Teachers work at home also making sure grades are entered, grading papers, zoom meetings (on their own time). Maybe that contract should be challenged? If starting teachers make almost the same as tenured (30 plus years) then something is wrong. And you wonder why teachers are quitting? They know staying is never going to pay off. And, they cannot draw social security even if they already worked e enough quarters before their teaching career which my daughter had. This happened to another teacher also. This is so wrong. They should be able to get both.
I'll tell you why they are underpaid Bud. My daughter graduated from a Texas well known university, paid ALL her student loans. Was Teacher of the Year, spent her own money over the years providing supplies, lunch when kids didn't have the money or forgot it, made sure every child valued. She has over 30 years now on Texas and makes around 65,000. 30 years? $65,000??? And those summers they are off are now shortened due to continuous training. My daughter as well as all don't go home at 4pm. They stay and have meetings, prepare their rooms, attend mandatory meetings, parent meetings etc. My daughter six years ago was diagnosed with Lupus. She is in her 50's. She could retire BUT because of retirement pkgs offered she cannot retire for 9 grueling long years because of health insurance costs, salary ( she cannot make it on her salary sge currently has due to the enormous cost of living). SHE paid her student loans off years ago. She worked since 15 years old, helped with helping her mom who was left with four children to raise alone and who never took welfare but worked all the years the kids growing up. Starting teachers in her area start without any experience at $60,000. Go figure. What is in it for loyal hard working great teachers if they spent their entire lives in educating children and cannot keep their living conditions sane as when they are active at work? Texas should pay a professional wage, pay their insurance and reward them for their dedication and their lives spent on your children. That is what is needed. Knowing she has to spend 9 more years not being able to retire is grieving me. She and all like her need a huge raise and a retirement as good as any other state employee!!
Yeah. That's the "price" of having one's salary paid for by theft. She should get out of schooling and help kids in a different environment where she makes more money.
I’m just thinking of all the supplies, materials, snacks for kids that don’t have proper meals at home, along with many other things that teacher pay out of pocket for and when we show concern for this issue we get the “well you chose that career”. Yes, I knew the pay, but most people don’t realize you have to deduct even more because a lot of your own $$ goes to the classroom, activities, supplies, and the kids themselves every month. It’s a constant cycle and when we speak on it, we get shut down and criticized (at least in my experience).
>supplies, materials, snacks for kids that don’t have proper meals at home That's social work, not school. Food provision doesn't have to be tied to compulsory schooling. And teachers are not the ones making the meals. >that teacher pay out of pocket That's their choice to do if they wished. They are not forced to,
Don't complain because you CHOSE to buy your classroom snacks. You had a choice and you made it. Do taxpayers get a CHOICE if they don't want to pay for your retirement? Nope... Do I get a choice to fire you if you're a bad teachers? Nope... Do parents get compensated when their kid comes home and after working a full day have to help their kids do homework because the teacher didn't prepare them well enough? Nope... Maybe try considering the level of responsibility you have as a teacher and rise up to the occassion...
@@JackLloyd being a teacher IS social work. We're taught Maslow's Heiarchy of Needs and various other developmental theories... These are children, not objects to throw outdated curiculum at. If we were to approach it like that a lot more kids would be flunking out and ending up in dead-end jobs. The amount of things teachers do, especially with the students themselves and their parents, is nothing short of absolutely amazing. Yet the government sees a need to short a lot of schools and pull levies because nobody sees the importance in it. It wouldn't be wrong to say better pay would bring in better teachers that could pull our education system back up. But oh well, the education system here is beyond saving, that's why I'm going abroad.
@@Namiya_VT Teachers are actually shaming children into obedience and threatening them with social stigmas called "grades" for the sake of compliance. Teachers in a compulsory schooling environment are child abusers, not helpers, inherently due to their role of threatening and shaming children into valuing what they want over the individual wants and needs of the child.
I taught in three different school systems, and NONE of them put 40 hours in it. You were to work until the work was done. No respect from administration, some respect from Some, but not all of the parents. At one school during my second year there I had to drag the principal into my classroom to “observe” the first graders art class and all he could say was “make sure you clean up the mess!” I quit at the end of that year and never taught again.
Ask that to the students themselves . College is a tool to expand your opportunities, but if you don’t have any direction or effort into what you’re trying to accomplish(whether you’re in college or not) you won’t get very far
Teachers have the only job where you get over three months paid vacation a year, so I'm sure the pay balances out, considering most workers would kill to get as much vacation time. Seriously, they get at least two months in the summer off, a week off in spring, over a week off in winter, and every other major and minor holiday that few other jobs get. On top of that, they still get additional vacation time they can use. Maybe everybody else in the country should go on strike to get as much vacation time.
Teachers do NOT have the summer off, especially now that schools start in August, or even July. Their vacation is NOT. Where I taught you chose to be paid over 9 months or have it spread out over 12 months. When I was teaching I had to work a second job even with a roommate to share expenses. My district also required that ALL teachers have a masters degree within 5 years of starting teaching. THAT happened during the summer and/or night classes after the school day was over.
Yes, teachers may get that "vacation time," but it isn't really a vacation for us. During that time, we are coming up with the next school year lesson plans, doing trainings to stay up to date to become a better teacher, having meetings, summer school programs, and more. So, all this time they think teachers are "on vacation," we really aren't. Also want to add, our paychecks are spread over a period of time. So, when it is summer break we are getting paychecks from the school year.
if by balance out you are meaning all the extra overtime we put in while working averages out to 40 hours a week if we had absolutely no vacations meaning holidays or summer/spring than yes with the hours balancing out over vacation time we work around 40 hours a week over the course of a year.
@@mariamcm4173 all my friends who are teachers DO get summers off, plus the holidays and spring break. Stop trying to fool people, only a very few teachers actually work summers or other compulsory programs outside their normal hours. What you are saying is NOT true for the majority 🙄
You know who are underpaid and overworked...healthcare workers. When you come home and have blisters on your feet or bruises from a patient hitting you, hardly have weekend or holiday off... sometimes i wish i would of done teaching. Emt workers and cnas have it worse i think...they are saving a persons life. I heard a lot of them make only 10 bucks an hour. A retail assoicate makes more than them
And the reason healthcare workers are not able to be paid as much is because of government regulation and bloating of administrative requirements. See: mises.org/wire/how-government-regulations-made-healthcare-so-expensive
It does. Her teaching salary is not based on value creation. It is funded by theft (taxes). So she is not able to negotiate for a higher salary because it is tied to a fixed government system.
Teachers are overpaid & should get a pay cut. Look, Teaching is a PART-TIME Job. My wife is a teachers aide & it is absurd how many days off teachers get. First of all they get the whole freaking summer off, the Thanksgiving break, Winter Break (2 Weeks off!) The MLK day, Presidents day & in my district ALL Jewish holidays also. Lots of snow days off, lots of 2 & 3 hour delay. Oh & let's not forget about spring break which is another two weeks. My wife has 37 banked sick/personal/vacation days also.
Let's see as mentioned all the perks of benefits vacation and every other holiday. Teachers don't deal with the customer is always right. Their "employees" are not allowed to challenge them or it's seen as disrespectful. Teachers basically have to commit a crime to get in trouble. They pretty much get to do what the hell they want within a very wide parameter.
Spend a week in a classroom before spewing such nonsense. When you have "employees," you can keep record of bad behavior and fire them. Students, it's harder to do that, especially when you'retje school others send their bad kids to. Many schools try their hardest to avoid suspensions since their funding is influenced on attendance. Call a parent and they're too busy working overtime to care. It's rare students listen let alone respect their teachers. The client, or parent, is always right. Their kid is an instigator? Not if the parent sees it otherwise. Their kid's ADHD is screwing up the rest of class? Nah, the parent doesn't think their kid needs to be in a special class or on medication so they must be right. teachers cant get what they want from parents, supplies, breakfast when their kid goes hungry to school, their kid to be sent with their uniform, punctuality. Two kids get in a fight? Well where was the teacher? I guess not keeping your eyes glued to every single student every second must be a crime. The list goes on. Booo *throws tomatoes*
@@albieoval1657 I've spent years teaching, and I can tell you first-hand that the problem with compulsory school is that it is an unethical institution of force against children crafted to mold them to be obedient to those already in political and economic power. What you say shows a projection of the public schooling experience - the Stockholm Syndrome whereby you defend your captors and pass shame and judgment onto future young people about a situation they are forced into by adults.
@@albieoval1657 I've spent a lot of time in a classroom as a student and I saw what went on. Teacher's can have food and drinks and cellphones ECT, but students can't. Teacher's act like Gods and not only do they act as if they deserve better respect than your own parents they also give the false assumption that when you are a working adult you can do whatever you want. I've seen fatass coaches asking you to run the track which if they did that they would die of a heart attack. Also when one/few does wrong they play the lazy card instead of punishing the troublemakers. You are part of the class you are all in trouble. Not even God did that with Sodom and Gomorrah.
@@JackLloyd What exactly would be your solution to public education in the United States? Based on your solution, what do you think are the long-term implications for the country?
@@JackLloyd no they don't I've been a professor and teacher for years we are not paid for all our time creating assignments, grading, answering students questions, helping students over the phone, speaking with parents while at home, the time & $$ spent buying school supplies for ourselves and students, counseling students after work who only share information with the teacher and not counselors etc.... there are almost no teachers that simply work until the bell rings.
@@movietrailers3988 What you're saying is not accurate. If you are salaried, then you salary is based on the time made for the job. So: "we are not paid for all our time creating assignments, grading, answering students questions, helping students over the phone, speaking with parents while at home," Is immaterial because that is how salary contracts work. If you're hourly, and you're being required to do those other items, then you have a solid lawsuit. But you're not - because that's not typically how the contracts operate. Buying school supplies is not a requirement - which means you're buying them out of your own pocket - not by mandate - and then blaming your contract. It would be people like you who are to blame for why teachers don't get paid. Why? Because you didn't sue if you were commanded to work unpaid or you didn't get reimbursement like you're supposed to if it's for a class demand. So you working unpaid is a part of the problem if that's the case. You're setting the precedent instead of either choosing not to work or suing for unpaid wages.
@@JackLloyd check the news there are tons of teachers and professors who work off the clock and many with no benefits. Why do you think there is so many adjunct professors and teachers on strike. My job has required me to do several trainings that are unpaid.
I'm reading some of these posts. To all who think YOU can go teach everyday and put up with what teachers do, be my guest. Teachers ARE very underpaid. Look at Lebron!!! He can put a basketball in a hoop!! He's now a billionaire?? Omg. Has this country gone insane!! Teachers should actually be higher paid than a lawyer! They are your children's babysitter, protector, educated, counselor and make up what parents refuse to do. How much are your children worth? Raise teachers salaries. They get a degree like lawyers but the headaches and the time they really spend on children are priceless. I honor them and teach your kids to respect authority. Get God back on our schools!! And I pray Texas ban any child from drag queen bars!! The downfall of this country is coming from this very thing. Stop it now and note those who call you a bigot OUT!! We are bigger than they and more of us. Don't be afraid of being called a bigot. It's a badge of honor. Means you are moral and a caring person not radical and perverted.
LeBron is paid highly because he drives a lot of people to see him play who want to see his talents. Teachers only deserve what people are willing to pay them voluntarily. If you think they should be paid more, write them a check yourself.
Teachers have the easiest job ever. You've been in school Your whole life, instead of completing school and getting a job where you have to redefine yourself and try hard for a new boss. You just stayed in school, where its public and not private. You get over 150 days off a year and still make 50-70k. You get every holiday, you get spring break, you get summer. The demands are high on a teachers personal time. However you don't HAVE to do those extra things on your own time and dime. In fact in my entire life I never once had a teacher that did this. Every teacher I ever new came in tired, and whipped out the sheets they printed out 3 years ago with the same questions they used 3 years ago. Shits tough I know.
Teachers in Louisiana are paid dirt, especially in the smaller cities. I know most people are like “well teachers complain about the pay but get new iPhones” there’s this thing called monthly payment 🙄
@@salvulcano7426 lmao for real though 🤣💀 they can afford it, they just like to act like they are getting paid below minimum wage, when they make more than enough. It varies by places like if you live in Louisiana and you live in a smaller city ofc you going to get paid less doesn’t mean that you not making enough or more than the average person there though.
I know why. If you want to know why as well, please watch the documentary, Schooling The World, here: www.filmsforaction.org/watch/schooling-the-world-2010/ And read: www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/freedom-learn/200808/brief-history-education
Being a teacher is such a thankless job. I can't believe I went through all of that financially, emotionally, and time wise to get the credentials needed to educate our children. I strongly think that with the profession with doctors and lawyers. I pray that in the near future teachers are rewarded for all of the sacrifices we make.
You should not be thanked unless someone wishes to thank you for a voluntary transaction. If you're in public school, you're paid by taxes, which are forcible takings. That is not "thank" worthy.
@@JackLloyd Is it fair to say you do not believe education to be a public good and should be up to the private sector to allocate and families to fund voluntarily? Also, do you believe taxes on income, FICA, Medicare, etc are also "forcible takings" and we should not have to pay them?
@@DionHuey Hey Dion! I am for a free market in education and all other goods and services. I have 3 nonfiction books addressing these topics you can check out at: jackvlloyd.com/the-definitive-guide-book/
You neglected to discuss the difference between a teacher collecting a pension which they only have to contribute a very minor amount to, yet in most areas can collect until the day they die. Making 50K a year as a teacher (who only works 9 months a year), who puts 8% into a 75% pension, who only has to work till 59.5 on average, who lives to 90 years old, will have contributed only $122,000 to their pension in total and collect nearly $2 million in retirement (adjusted for COL benefits). In order for a private sector employee to collect that much they would have to saved 40% of their salary, retire at 70, and PRAY that they don't live past 90.
I dont know what area you teach in but sign me up as after working 40 years my pension will amount to roughly $400 a month when retiring in 15 years from now.
they are not doing as good as they can for people. every other month the teachers at my school start protesting for higher pay while Im stuck using text books from 2003. These teachers do nothing but sit behind a computer and read sheets off of google and make us take notes. The principle bought 5000 dollar tables that broke the next day. 1. The teachers in public education systems do not do as good as they can for people 2. Even if they had good intentions, which they dont, they are making poor administrative choices and do not belong in the positions they have. Lastly and most importantly, where is the evidence that increasing teacher pay increases quality of education. The main purpose of schools is to provide students with education, not to provide adults with high paying teaching jobs.
@@liamwhite5529 But shouldnt something like teachers in early years still be held at high enough values my school's teachers barely have enough for rent yet can still give chromebooks to every student they work their butts off working with children that cant go elsewhere teachers are some of the reasons why people even do their career either by encouragement or motivation Ive seen the work my teachers put every day and for some people to say that teachers dont work hard enough is wrong. I see where your coming from and Im very sorry for you and everyone else's situation but why then do good teachers get put down
@@arielwowie2309 First of all obviously this is a situation that should be looked at case by case, some teachers probably are underpaid, some teachers are probably overpaid, clearly funding goes to different places in our schools so this is an issue that should be accessed based on individual school boards. But heres the main point, no one is being forced to become a teacher, they are in those positions because they willingly put themselves there. For the career I want, I'm expecting literally 0 in profit for the first few years after you take out rent and other living costs, and that's completely fair. I wont have the experience yet to demand higher pay, so what do I do? I work my ass off to get to the experience and job that I want, thats how life works. I dont just demand higher pay because I feel entitled to better living standards.
These comments are sad, the idea that people think that teachers are overpaid and use facts such as pointing out rich men who are teachers to prove that teacher salary’s aren’t low... smh. A teacher does have benefits, long breaks, and the ability to unionize, but they deal with so much, like buying school supplies for their own class, teaching and taking care of kids, working longer days, sometimes until 11:00pm at the school. It’s much more than just a 7:00-2:00 job and the stress doesn’t stop at the school doors. Many teachers tutor outside class. The idea that teachers aren’t underpaid is just straight up denial and an argument easily said from people who have higher salary’s.
They only deserve what they agree to. And, more importantly, what is given via consent. Teachers are paid by force - taxes. Therefore, they don't deserve anything because taxes are taken by force. The buying extra supplies? A choice. On them. They don't take responsibility for their actions, just like they don't take responsibility for their finances.
Just pointing out the fact that teachers kind of shape the future of society. And actually, the majority of teachers do work in the summer making lesson plans for when school begins(the same can be said for any breaks within the school year). And no duh some teachers don't work in the summer, there's nothing to work for, a teacher can't do their job without students to teach.
Blue • you can always get another job in the summer which most people can’t do because they don’t have 2 and a half months off. Also there numerous fields where people work more than the regular 9-5 yet get paid for 8 hours a days. I constantly am getting stuff done at night at home and not getting “paid” for it. One of the great things about teachers is they shape the future of society, BUT that doesn’t mean they should be PAID more when they already have a higher starting and average salary than most people in other fields.
@@misterm5325 60k IS FUCKING CRAZY bro most people make 50k a year BUSTING THEYRE ASS literally almost loosing limbs after long amounts of times that hard of jobs teachers ARE NOT underpayed
Most teachers should be let off anyway, there are plenty of jobs being lost to automation and teaching is probably one of the easiest professions to heavily automate.
@@duffmann2021 youtube videos from folks in the industry you are studying. Better than most of the flunkie teachers who hadn't worked another job since they were flipping burgers in high school.
1: I'm not paid for any holidays or summer. My contract is for 187 days & that's what I'm paid for, they just spread the money out all year 2: I work in a state where unions are not allowed for teachers, although u can join one, all it does it give u limited protections. 3: it's not that I can't do something else but this is what I went to school for.
Cause I worker harder and more hours in that 187 then anyone else does at 365 day. All on my free time!! Most people that don't teach have no clue what goes into a teachers job and assume all kinds of things!
No, you should only be paid for what the market allows. However, you're not a market employee. Your job is funded by taxation, which is money forcibly taken from people. If your job funding increase was honest, you'd go and just point a gun to your neighbor's head like the IRS does if you wanted to be paid more. In reality, you choose the job you have because the government has monopolized the product, and you find the subjective value of taking that government-funded job greater than the risk of doing anything else.
Let me quote this “teachers should earn just as much as doctors because a doctor can do heart surgery and save the life of a kid but a great teacher can reach the heart of that kid and allow them to truly live see teachers are hero’s they don’t have to get blame but there not the problem they work in a system without many options or rights” do you think differently about teachers pay now
Lexi Magrone No. That person is completely ignorant on the concept of economics and investment. A doctor requires 8 years of schooling and 2 years of residency. A teacher in most states just needs a bachelor's degree. The idea that a teacher should automatically be paid more with less time spent and less money spent on reaching their professional status is absurd. But, more importantly, it should be up to market demands. It should be up to voluntary support what teachers earn, not the theft of taxes.
It’s simple economics, doctors work in a hospital where they generate money and lots of it. So, they get paid well. Teachers work in schools, where money is not generated. Therefore, it reflects in their pay. It’s unfortunate, because teachers are very important and we need good ones.
Teachers are overpaid especially in California my sister in law earns 78,000 a year and she’s been with the school district 12 years. California is an expensive state but it’s not that expensive. What’s so hard about teaching Spanish to high school kids?
teachers are underpaid. Also, it depends on the school. If teachers have a stricter school can have it to where they have to grade assignments, do virtual calls while having to monitor the kids and wherever they go and maybe have to go into school depending on what state they teach in. These things are coming out of a person who has never been a teacher. My mom is a teacher and I can tell you that It is hard for teachers to make homework, grade tests and homework, and teach in the same day. These tasks can create unhealthy mental state for teachers as they are always working and only have time to sleep and make dinner. Depending on which state you are in, It also can be all on teachers if a student is not passing. They are also graded on how effective they are with their students. These tasks that teachers need to do to get a higher score on it is all on the teacher. Yet, there is home conditions, lack of sleep, overall not wanting to learn that can lead to these students not doing what they need to. My mom teaches in a district where there is poverty. Some kids do not have internet, or food, or a stable income for their families. These can lead to mental factors on the child on how they focus in school. Of course, teachers have good benefits but this depends on the district. Teachers do have a nice and stable job. Yet, the cost of these benefits cause extensive work hours put on teachers and students and it is for everyday. Depending on the district, Teachers start out with a usual 45,000 - 50,000 dollars a year. They keep going up with experience. Teachers with experience or 25-30 years of teaching can earn up to 75,000-85,000 dollars a year. These wages are decent, but, it depends on the district and the fact that without teachers there would be no jobs or a future of world intellegence shows that this is not good enough pay. In the beginning of teaching, they are only making as much as a worker. This is not fair because teachers work all day everyday. Not to say that workers do not work all day. Workers can be hard skilled workers with good work ethic. Teachers still have to do work on weekends which is usually grading assignments and posting and making assignments.
There is no way to suggest that a teacher is "underpaid" without a comparative of what they should be paid and why. If you want to understand, go ahead and try to explain WHAT teachers should be paid, why, and by who. Then think about the issues with what you write in a comparative. The only ethical payment teachers can receive is one that is based on individual choice.
Have you ever taught in a public school? Have you ever had your life threatened on a daily basis at work? Have you ever been spit on, hit, cursed, or sexually assaulted? This is what today's teachers deal with on a daily basis. If you don't believe me, spend a day in a local middle school. If you are going to make a youtube video about teaching, at least spend a few days walking in the shoes of an actual teacher.
Then leave... I’m so sick of you self inflicted victims. Can you seriously do nothing else but teach? Or is teaching the only thing you’re qualified to do because you have no other skills because you never developed yourself to be an appealing candidate to the private sector? Wait, don’t answer, I already know the answer.
All teachers should stick together, work the same hours... n not do extra work to impress the managers. Then we can have a work life balance, and actually have a Saturday and Sunday to spend with family.
I feel like instead of taxing us more to pay teachers they need to remove the incessant amount of administration staff at schools. Why the heck does my school need 4 assistant principles, 4 deans, 5 front desk people, 2 people who sit in the attendance office all day, 3 librarians (nobody ever uses the books), 1 dedicated book keeper, 3 accountants, 10 general administrative staff, a psychologist ( who doesn't even teach psychology in spite of it being a course), and 6 counselors? I swear the admin to teacher ratio is nearing 1:2 which is absurd.
The even more ethical outcome is unschooling. ( :
I’m an economics major and now financial analyst. This comment is entirely correct and NEEDED.
I work where it pays well, that way I don’t have to complain
boyrecon most of the teachers were somewhat well payed and then there was a market crash in 2008. Because of this, their paychecks and school funding got cut. Ever scince the economy got up and running again the teachers haven’t gotten their original pay back, hence the teacher strike.
@@Ynot533 Not even remotely true...
@@psiewert83 Then what is? Please inform us.
@@AngelicBreath1111 Teachers salaries, in almost every single district across the united states, are protected by union contracts. Teachers were one of the few jobs in the country that were not affected by the 2008 recession. As a matter of fact, here in Illinois, it is in the state constitution that teacher salaries and pension payouts are permanently protected and can never be adjusted, unless a 2/3 majority of the state legislature agrees to readdress it.
@@psiewert83 You're kidding right? Ever heard of pay freezes where they withhold raises? So you may be on year 5 but making what a year 1 makes.
It’s the preschool and daycare teachers who are actually getting jipped here.
They need to get rid of the part of the system where it is virtually impossible to hold teachers accountable and fire them when they neglect their jobs. I also know some areas of the country teachers aren't getting paid much, but where I am teachers are making out like bandits yet they still moan about having to do their jobs. It never ends.
That's the problem inherent to taxation: people in the state are funded whether or not they do a good job. Their "service" (disservice) is imposed.
@@JackLloyd We should have vouchers. Money goes to the Student.
@@silasbishop3055 that would be an improvement. The ethical end would be that parents are not stolen from via taxation and people are free to choose their learning.
why do teachers get paid well? state/city?
I'm a high schooler with a 504 plan and ADHD, but none of my teachers have actually implemented the system and my oldest teacher, who is most likely tenured, hasn't shown up to any meetings we've had and didn't even sign the contract. The school system sucks.
Teachers here in New Jersey make $70,000 for ten months with paid holidays.
Not to mention all the other ridiculous benefits that they receive. The worst part is that they think that they know everything and don’t get enough money/benefits.
The head teacher of local comp on U.K. drives a Porsche
In Florida teachers receive almost 15 weeks vacation. All of this time off includes: 14 personal days during the school year, summer vacation and all major holidays. 15 weeks is almost 3.50 months downtime. Teachers have a negative habit of complaining about their salaries, however they rarely face consequences when their students struggle academically. Granting teachers tenure was a critical mistake in the U.S. In Florida, the average teacher takes home about $49,000 after taxes, medical insurance and retirement contributions have been deducted from their checks. In Florida, most teachers are not required to hold a graduate degree. In Florida,
the average salary for a principal is about $64,000 after deductions. Most administrators hold a graduate degree. If a teacher tells you he or she is underpaid, they are lying to your face. In Florida, teachers can elect to receive a portion of their salary during summer vacation or they can receive their entire salary during the school year.
Omg, Florida doesn't pay enough. A principal earning that? Horrible.
One thing you forgot to mention, is that “educators” get tax refunds on most of the school supplies they bought.
Teachers unions need to go I had overpaid terrible teachers and wonderful underpaid teachers that were bullied into leaving, one guy was my social studies teacher and he was basically pushed into quitting.
The ethical exit is unschooling.
$30,000-$105,000 a year for 180-190 days of work! Some get yearly bonuses, too! I think most are paid somewhere in the middle. $30,000 is $2,500/mo and $35,000 is 2900-$3000/mo! So, yeah! And, if you make on the lower end of that and want to earn more, you have a lot of resources and time to earn even more! UNDERPAID?!
"40 hour week contract" you're conveniently leaving out the fact that teachers regularly report to work beyond those contract hours on a regular basis. Summers off, are not exactly summers off. Not sure why you are so jaded, but go work in a public school and then see if you still feel the same way.
I literally have worked in a public school I know what I am talking about. Teachers who work all that extra are typically not the brightest bulbs and are markedly inefficient in their work. If they are struggling because of trying to accommodate IEP and 504, that is about how school itself fails kids.
No you don't. I'm glad someone like you left the profession if you don't see the value and importance of teachers. I have soo many issues with your video especially when you spout "fact" without providing any annotation or citation, but we'll get to that in a second. First I want to draw your attention to a quote you said " the responsibilities teachers have cannot be fulfilled in the contract hours." You said that but yet in this post you say "Teachers who work all that extra are typically not the brightest bulbs and are markedly inefficient in their work." Sounds like somebody doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about if he can't keep his own bullshit straight.
Let's go on to your "facts" which aren't.
"the average teacher makes about the same gross annual income as the average worker." Let's first look at why this is bullshit even if it were true. Considering majority of teachers have graduate degrees, why the fuck should they be making the same as "the average worker" when roughly 32% of the population even holds a college education. So that means more than 2/3 of workers don't have a degree yet you're saying that teachers making the same is okay when about 60% of teachers have graduate degrees? I'm not gonna dispute the fact of this more so just how stupid you sound saying this statement. Let's move on though
"The average teacher only makes "slightly less" (btw nice scientific terms" than the average college graduate." Um no. Average teacher makes about 59k whereas the average BA holder makes about 61k HOWEVER, we need to factor in the fact that 58% of teachers have advanced degrees and they average about 72k a year.
(72,000)(.58)+(61,000)(.42)=67380. So that's about 9k higher than the average teacher's salary. Now, you're using wormy sleezy words like "slightly" but I'm pretty sure almost 10k in difference is no where near slightly lower.
"teachers have a 40 week contract and "several" months off." Considering you even said "the responsibilities teachers have cannot be fulfilled in the contract hours," then the whole notion of comparing using contract hours is bullshit because in ANY OTHER profession any work outside contract hours or "overtime" is given overtime pay. Since teacher's don't get said overtime pay...... Yea your facts are kinda sounding more like opinions.
"Teachers generally have annual contract security after the first 1-3 years." Sorta, but you can still be laid off and since people like you hate funding education, layoffs happen OFTEN. Let's just consider this year. Hundred's of thousands of teachers were laid off.
So overall your whatever this was was a waste of time to watch and for you to make. You say teachers make enough yet you aren't a teacher anymore..... You spout facts without providing citation or any form of proof other than the condescending "fact" proclamation before each bullet point. This may persuade the typical UA-cam viewer to take you at your word, but not the educated one like my self. If you were a teacher than you should be educated so there's no excuse for this bull. Either you really aren't that smart, or you're a bold faced liar.
Oh, and let's not forget the biggest fact. TEACHERS ARE INTEGRAL TO SOCIETY. So the fact that people like you want to come on here and say they don't deserve to make a decent living is a joke. Without teachers society would crumble. We saw this back in 2020 with people praising teachers, yet in July trolls like you were out saying "they don't want to work." Imagine if educators stopped working..... That maybe a good thing for you then, because then more people would buy your snake oiled bullshit.
www.businessnewsdaily.com/9209-essential-us-jobs.html
www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-teachers-insig/u-s-schools-lay-off-hundreds-of-thousands-setting-up-lasting-harm-to-kids-idUSKBN23B39R
www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2021/02/22/new-from-us-census-bureau-number-of-americans-with-a-bachelors-degree-continues-to-grow/?sh=6c6892b77bbc
www.bls.gov/careeroutlook/2018/data-on-display/education-pays.htm
www.bls.gov/ooh/education-training-and-library/mobile/high-school-teachers.htm
nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=58#:~:text=Do%20you%20have%20any%20information,%E2%80%932000%20(47%20percent).
www.niche.com/blog/teacher-salaries-in-america/
@@Tony29103 - public school teachers are indoctrinators - paid to make obedient slaves.
If you can’t see that, then there’s no hope for you. Sorry I don’t have a bunch of BS “citations” to give you, as I simply use rational thought and the consequences I observe before me.
@@Tony29103 teachers are so integral to society yet basically everyone forgets what they learned in school. Grade school is great at making sure kids grow to be dependant sheep but not so good at teaching.
@@chris-solmon4017 Public school teachers follow a currriculum. Are you special needs?
Want more pay and have a degree? Get another job that pays more and fits your degree
How dare you make a post offering a reasoned solution? LOL ( ;
...then who will teach the nation’s children?
ATD909 People who want to work and aspire to be teachers no matter what they earn
@@ATD909 Well clearly the teachers aren't doing it currently. We have one of the lowest ranked education systems in the world.
@@harrisonk4288 yeah! how dare teachers want to get compensated fairly for their work and be able to not have to worry about whether they're going to be able to eat tomorrow!
I have a Masters in Education, but I been working in a call center for years. It makes more money.
Watching this video made me confused from beginning till the end, I didn’t understand what you were saying throughout the whole video tbh
Because he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about
He’s literally just spitting bullshit LMAO right at the start he doesn’t even acknowledge the fact that teachers are not average college graduates. You have to do four years of schooling on top of at least a one year credential program where you have to work full time student teaching, and it’s very rarely paid making it impossible to hold down a job while doing it.
@@143Oshawott Ain't that the truth! Also it's never paid unless you are in a state that allows you to have a provisional license (in MN we have a tiered license system so as long as you have a BA and a school will hire you you can get a tiered 2 license) so if you have that and student teach in your own room I believe you still get paid or if you hold a sub license and sub for your coop teacher.
Also here's how you know he's full of it. He said in the video "there's not enough time for teachers to fulfil their duties during the contract day" then in a comment somewhere here he said "those teachers that work outside of school hours are usually not the cream of the crop."
@@Tony29103 Oh yes I’m actually lucky enough to get paid a stipend in LAUSD but that’s literally because they are so understaffed that they have to or else no one will do it! And it shouldn’t even be a by state or district thing you are working a full time job you should be paid for it especially since there’s no hope for you to hold a job down. And yeah there’s no stopping teachers from doing work outside of class. Between the prep period you may get and lunch break that isn’t enough time to answer student and parent questions. Hold after school/lunch sessions for students that need it and grading and lesson plans it’s absurd that he would expect any human being to be able to do all of that everyday while actively teaching during their “work” hours.
@@143Oshawott Oh you lucky shit. Yea I so agree, or at the very least not pay tuition. I mean that I thought was the biggest F-u. Not only are you working full time, not getting paid, but then you pay tuition for working. During my undergrad during a break for some seminar I can't remember i got bored and calculated how much a teacher or ed major spends on their major that no other major does. 900+ extra just for the tests, insurance, CPR certif, background checks etc. It's crap.
Well the worst thing about him, well okay aside from his condescending "facts" (btw which aren't) but the worst is he says "teachers can't get everything done" and then chastises those who don't. So glad the likes of him left education.
Teachers in east orange, newark,etc are definitely not underpaid they make great money
I understand you're looking at this objectively. And I totally think one has to when looking at this. But may I say that your video kind of is misleading and a little confusing. Only because you say "teachers aren't underpaid they just aren't paid for all of the hours that they are held responsible for." This almost sounds like a contradiction I don't know if you mean it to. The only other thing I will say is everyone who tries to take this into argument looks at only the average they do not take out the top 5% that are working either at a super big school that pays well or the teacher has been there 50 years and gets paid more. They're quite a few states were if you take out these people you can usually drop the average pay about $5,000 a year if not more...
They aren't underpaid because their contract is what is called "Salary."
Teachers are typically paid to work a certain number of office hours and, if they choose, could work above those hours.
Teachers often feel the stress of the workload, but being "underpaid" is a misnomer because they cannot be "underpaid" for a salary paid by force forcible takings.
There are only market demands and force. As they are not "market actors," they are being paid whatever is given to them.
It would be no different than a robber complaining that their robbery was "underpaid" because they only found $20 in the wallet they stole.
@@JackLloyd the wallet and robber analogy is not a good one.
@@albieoval1657 That's an assertion. If you want to make an argument, you have to give reason why you think it's not a good analogy.
@@JackLloyd a robber doesn't know there is $20 in that wallet. A teacher, for the most part, knows their salary going in. The time working becomes the issue, not the money paid. A better analogy would be somebody being paid $20 to wash a car. They spent 2 hours instead the 1 hour they were told it would take.
$10/hr looks underpaid compared to the $20/hr they envisioned.
@@albieoval1657 Could be. But I see their entire check as theft if it is paid from taxes.
Looks like am not going to law school anymore. Teachers credential program here I come.
Same
Medical school.... nah. Just be a teacher
Bruh my teachers are getting payed so fucking much
I am currently at 2nd year highschool
And my teachers judge my handwriting and make me repeat all the work I get treated differently just because I used to be in a private school
My school currently is public and I moved there because of the "cough cough virus"
But still just because I used to be in a private school doesn't mean they can give me more work and treat me like shit
I ain't capping my life sucks right now
Sorry to hear! There is a better way. Learn more here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unschooling#:~:text=Unschooling%20is%20a%20form%20of,rather%20than%20a%20set%20curriculum.
What does your teachers pay have anything to do with everything you just said after that LMAO
I don't know if your title is serious considering your argument mostly states reason why teachers should be paid more. In any case your facts regarding payrates are false or most likely way out of date for why teachers are underpaid. I do not know where you get you statistics from but the U.S. bureau of labor statistics indicate teachers are paid far under the average yearly pay rate for their education level in almost all areas in the US. Despite what contracts say it is understood that the workload an average teacher has can not be done in a 40 work week in the given school year. In fact if averaged out across a 52 week time span with no vacations an average teacher will work approximately 40hrs a week. some of your arguments actually support this. Having worked in areas where teacher do and do not have union protections, teachers benefits and pay are more than often better in areas where there are unions. This is because other than private schools where teacher pay is funded by government taxes and budget a teacher can not under mostly any circumstance get a raise beyond what what is currently given based on budget. teacher often are afraid and can not leave their teaching positions because teaching skill and credentials more than often does not translate to the public sector job market. Despite the title of the video when listening to your argument you it seems you more or less agreeing. Wish I had more time to argue my points but despite it is saturday I had to go to my classroom and setup for monday because I don't have enough time to do so during school hours and I have to be ready in case I get a walk-in evaluation as it is that time of the year.
Your entire paragraph misses that the idea of what teachers "should" be paid is wholly a subjective valuation and that any payment to teachers is predicated on violent theft.
Literally all I understood is that teachers are underpaid
And then?
Zack J where this video isn’t intended for 7 years and there mommy is a teacher
Eli Blount I guess it was intended for illiterate fucks like you 😂😂😂 I’m an engineer. Stfu
Zack J oh no I am so scared he’s a engineer I am so sorry sir. Like what does your comment even suppose to mean, I hate teachers yet your saying my teacher is a mom
Eli Blount ok now you really sound stupid
Bait and switch.
Huh? I said why they are not.
So they're not underpaid, they're overworked.
They are worked as much as they tolerate in a forcibly-funded system.
@@JackLloyd yeah, I was gonna say but I didn't want to come across as rude. They're overworked because they allow themselves to be. Schools could probably fire you and hire someone else who will overwork, but if enough teachers stop allowing it, they would have to fix it.
When your teacher says they're underpaid and then they whip out that new iphone
Show me where that happens. Also underpaid doesn't mean poor. You seem to think "oh they make enough to get by maybe with some new toys that's all they need." Based on how much work they do objectively they are underpaid. This jackass even said "it's impossible for teachers to do their duties in the contract time." Well then pay overtime? Oh right they don't.
@@Tony29103 half of my teachers drove luxury cars and carried designer bags and then complained they weren’t paid enough when all they did was use the same lesson plan of PowerPoint slides every year for 15 years in a row
It’s always so funny to the stuff people believe and agree on.
You mind sending me some sources for your facts? Cause so far, I haven't seen any.
What sources do you wish to have?
"Underpaid" is a subjective valuation.
If you want teacher salary data:
www.bls.gov/ooh/education-training-and-library/kindergarten-and-elementary-school-teachers.htm#:~:text=%2439%2C810-,The%20median%20annual%20wage%20for%20elementary%20school%20teachers%2C%20except%20special,was%20%2459%2C670%20in%20May%202019.&text=more%20than%20%2497%2C900.-,The%20median%20annual%20wage%20for%20kindergarten%20teachers%2C%20except%20special%20education,percent%20earned%20more%20than%20%2490%2C180.
www.bls.gov/ooh/education-training-and-library/high-school-teachers.htm
@@JackLloyd Alright thanks.
The only other answer if contract says 40 hours then they should invest 40 hours. That doesn't make any sense. Oh I forget about this: Teachers work at home also making sure grades are entered, grading papers, zoom meetings (on their own time). Maybe that contract should be challenged? If starting teachers make almost the same as tenured (30 plus years) then something is wrong. And you wonder why teachers are quitting? They know staying is never going to pay off. And, they cannot draw social security even if they already worked e enough quarters before their teaching career which my daughter had. This happened to another teacher also. This is so wrong. They should be able to get both.
Teachers being worked over contract is because teachers keep agreeing to do so instead of standing up for themselves. Saw it myself.
I'll tell you why they are underpaid Bud. My daughter graduated from a Texas well known university, paid ALL her student loans. Was Teacher of the Year, spent her own money over the years providing supplies, lunch when kids didn't have the money or forgot it, made sure every child valued. She has over 30 years now on Texas and makes around 65,000. 30 years? $65,000??? And those summers they are off are now shortened due to continuous training. My daughter as well as all don't go home at 4pm. They stay and have meetings, prepare their rooms, attend mandatory meetings, parent meetings etc. My daughter six years ago was diagnosed with Lupus. She is in her 50's. She could retire BUT because of retirement pkgs offered she cannot retire for 9 grueling long years because of health insurance costs, salary ( she cannot make it on her salary sge currently has due to the enormous cost of living). SHE paid her student loans off years ago. She worked since 15 years old, helped with helping her mom who was left with four children to raise alone and who never took welfare but worked all the years the kids growing up. Starting teachers in her area start without any experience at $60,000. Go figure. What is in it for loyal hard working great teachers if they spent their entire lives in educating children and cannot keep their living conditions sane as when they are active at work? Texas should pay a professional wage, pay their insurance and reward them for their dedication and their lives spent on your children. That is what is needed. Knowing she has to spend 9 more years not being able to retire is grieving me. She and all like her need a huge raise and a retirement as good as any other state employee!!
Yeah. That's the "price" of having one's salary paid for by theft. She should get out of schooling and help kids in a different environment where she makes more money.
I’m just thinking of all the supplies, materials, snacks for kids that don’t have proper meals at home, along with many other things that teacher pay out of pocket for and when we show concern for this issue we get the “well you chose that career”. Yes, I knew the pay, but most people don’t realize you have to deduct even more because a lot of your own $$ goes to the classroom, activities, supplies, and the kids themselves every month. It’s a constant cycle and when we speak on it, we get shut down and criticized (at least in my experience).
>supplies, materials, snacks for kids that don’t have proper meals at home
That's social work, not school. Food provision doesn't have to be tied to compulsory schooling. And teachers are not the ones making the meals.
>that teacher pay out of pocket
That's their choice to do if they wished. They are not forced to,
Don't complain because you CHOSE to buy your classroom snacks. You had a choice and you made it. Do taxpayers get a CHOICE if they don't want to pay for your retirement? Nope... Do I get a choice to fire you if you're a bad teachers? Nope... Do parents get compensated when their kid comes home and after working a full day have to help their kids do homework because the teacher didn't prepare them well enough? Nope... Maybe try considering the level of responsibility you have as a teacher and rise up to the occassion...
@@JackLloyd being a teacher IS social work. We're taught Maslow's Heiarchy of Needs and various other developmental theories... These are children, not objects to throw outdated curiculum at. If we were to approach it like that a lot more kids would be flunking out and ending up in dead-end jobs. The amount of things teachers do, especially with the students themselves and their parents, is nothing short of absolutely amazing. Yet the government sees a need to short a lot of schools and pull levies because nobody sees the importance in it.
It wouldn't be wrong to say better pay would bring in better teachers that could pull our education system back up. But oh well, the education system here is beyond saving, that's why I'm going abroad.
@@Namiya_VT Teachers are actually shaming children into obedience and threatening them with social stigmas called "grades" for the sake of compliance. Teachers in a compulsory schooling environment are child abusers, not helpers, inherently due to their role of threatening and shaming children into valuing what they want over the individual wants and needs of the child.
@@JackLloyd if you knew good teachers, you wouldn't think that.
I taught in three different school systems, and NONE of them put 40 hours in it. You were to work until the work was done. No respect from administration, some respect from Some, but not all of the parents. At one school during my second year there I had to drag the principal into my classroom to “observe” the first graders art class and all he could say was “make sure you clean up the mess!” I quit at the end of that year and never taught again.
So your complaint is that you had to work till the job was done....like literally every single salaried employee in the United States?
Whats the point of going to college if you end up being underpaid
There is no point to college outside of subjective value. College is no guarantee of employability.
Ask that to the students themselves . College is a tool to expand your opportunities, but if you don’t have any direction or effort into what you’re trying to accomplish(whether you’re in college or not) you won’t get very far
Teachers have the only job where you get over three months paid vacation a year, so I'm sure the pay balances out, considering most workers would kill to get as much vacation time. Seriously, they get at least two months in the summer off, a week off in spring, over a week off in winter, and every other major and minor holiday that few other jobs get. On top of that, they still get additional vacation time they can use. Maybe everybody else in the country should go on strike to get as much vacation time.
Yes. And, despite teachers saying that they need to plan or do CLEs over summer, the reality is that they are off-contract and flexible.
Teachers do NOT have the summer off, especially now that schools start in August, or even July. Their vacation is NOT. Where I taught you chose to be paid over 9 months or have it spread out over 12 months. When I was teaching I had to work a second job even with a roommate to share expenses. My district also required that ALL teachers have a masters degree within 5 years of starting teaching. THAT happened during the summer and/or night classes after the school day was over.
Yes, teachers may get that "vacation time," but it isn't really a vacation for us. During that time, we are coming up with the next school year lesson plans, doing trainings to stay up to date to become a better teacher, having meetings, summer school programs, and more. So, all this time they think teachers are "on vacation," we really aren't. Also want to add, our paychecks are spread over a period of time. So, when it is summer break we are getting paychecks from the school year.
if by balance out you are meaning all the extra overtime we put in while working averages out to 40 hours a week if we had absolutely no vacations meaning holidays or summer/spring than yes with the hours balancing out over vacation time we work around 40 hours a week over the course of a year.
@@mariamcm4173 all my friends who are teachers DO get summers off, plus the holidays and spring break. Stop trying to fool people, only a very few teachers actually work summers or other compulsory programs outside their normal hours. What you are saying is NOT true for the majority 🙄
Isn't Gary Vee a teacher or what about Robert Kiyosaki a teacher sooo yeah they are not clearly underpaid.
Actually Robert Kiyosaki is a conman
You know who are underpaid and overworked...healthcare workers. When you come home and have blisters on your feet or bruises from a patient hitting you, hardly have weekend or holiday off... sometimes i wish i would of done teaching. Emt workers and cnas have it worse i think...they are saving a persons life. I heard a lot of them make only 10 bucks an hour. A retail assoicate makes more than them
And the reason healthcare workers are not able to be paid as much is because of government regulation and bloating of administrative requirements.
See: mises.org/wire/how-government-regulations-made-healthcare-so-expensive
@@JackLloyd good point! Administrative jobs in healthcare get paid pretty well
Alana's Take I also had a nurse friend tell me that every nurse has a ghost story so they also being haunted too on top of all that
Careful, there will be an angry mob of teachers coming to argue with you while off this summer about how you just don't get it.
My mom has a masters degree and is a teacher but she doesn’t get paid sh*t doesn’t make any sense
It does. Her teaching salary is not based on value creation. It is funded by theft (taxes). So she is not able to negotiate for a higher salary because it is tied to a fixed government system.
Your trying to be the next Justin ain't ya
You know why I didn’t get a masters and teach?? Because it doesn’t pay what I want. We are free to choose
Teachers get a raise every year they work let's say they have been in that field for 5 years than they are probably making and extra 10 or 15k a year.
YT Jax a masters degree isn’t required to teach and isn’t necessary it’s just a add on and because she works for a union she won’t get paid more
Teachers are overpaid & should get a pay cut. Look, Teaching is a PART-TIME Job. My wife is a teachers aide & it is absurd how many days off teachers get. First of all they get the whole freaking summer off, the Thanksgiving break, Winter Break (2 Weeks off!) The MLK day, Presidents day & in my district ALL Jewish holidays also. Lots of snow days off, lots of 2 & 3 hour delay. Oh & let's not forget about spring break which is another two weeks. My wife has 37 banked sick/personal/vacation days also.
Teachers should not get a pay cut. They should be fired and public school abolished.
To see why, visit: self-directed.org
You sound angry. Maybe some counseling can help.
Teacher aide punch in and out though. I would know I am one. They are not on salary
jaimekid2 btw i agree. Teachers are just teaching out dated lies and they expect higher wages lol
My wife is a teacher's aide & she IS salaried. She continues to get her regular pay check through the summer even though she is not working.
Sounds right to me; nice video.
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Let's see as mentioned all the perks of benefits vacation and every other holiday. Teachers don't deal with the customer is always right. Their "employees" are not allowed to challenge them or it's seen as disrespectful. Teachers basically have to commit a crime to get in trouble. They pretty much get to do what the hell they want within a very wide parameter.
That much is true. There is a wide degree of insulation in the profession.
Spend a week in a classroom before spewing such nonsense. When you have "employees," you can keep record of bad behavior and fire them. Students, it's harder to do that, especially when you'retje school others send their bad kids to. Many schools try their hardest to avoid suspensions since their funding is influenced on attendance. Call a parent and they're too busy working overtime to care. It's rare students listen let alone respect their teachers. The client, or parent, is always right. Their kid is an instigator? Not if the parent sees it otherwise. Their kid's ADHD is screwing up the rest of class? Nah, the parent doesn't think their kid needs to be in a special class or on medication so they must be right. teachers cant get what they want from parents, supplies, breakfast when their kid goes hungry to school, their kid to be sent with their uniform, punctuality. Two kids get in a fight? Well where was the teacher? I guess not keeping your eyes glued to every single student every second must be a crime. The list goes on. Booo *throws tomatoes*
@@albieoval1657 I've spent years teaching, and I can tell you first-hand that the problem with compulsory school is that it is an unethical institution of force against children crafted to mold them to be obedient to those already in political and economic power.
What you say shows a projection of the public schooling experience - the Stockholm Syndrome whereby you defend your captors and pass shame and judgment onto future young people about a situation they are forced into by adults.
@@albieoval1657 I've spent a lot of time in a classroom as a student and I saw what went on. Teacher's can have food and drinks and cellphones ECT, but students can't. Teacher's act like Gods and not only do they act as if they deserve better respect than your own parents they also give the false assumption that when you are a working adult you can do whatever you want. I've seen fatass coaches asking you to run the track which if they did that they would die of a heart attack. Also when one/few does wrong they play the lazy card instead of punishing the troublemakers. You are part of the class you are all in trouble. Not even God did that with Sodom and Gomorrah.
@@JackLloyd What exactly would be your solution to public education in the United States? Based on your solution, what do you think are the long-term implications for the country?
Great video!
Thank you!
I agree if teachers were paid for every hour they work they would be rich since they work non-stop until summer
Teachers are paid for every hour they work - it's just a salary and they get less per hour the more they work.
@@JackLloyd no they don't I've been a professor and teacher for years we are not paid for all our time creating assignments, grading, answering students questions, helping students over the phone, speaking with parents while at home, the time & $$ spent buying school supplies for ourselves and students, counseling students after work who only share information with the teacher and not counselors etc.... there are almost no teachers that simply work until the bell rings.
@@movietrailers3988
What you're saying is not accurate.
If you are salaried, then you salary is based on the time made for the job.
So:
"we are not paid for all our time creating assignments, grading, answering students questions, helping students over the phone, speaking with parents while at home,"
Is immaterial because that is how salary contracts work.
If you're hourly, and you're being required to do those other items, then you have a solid lawsuit.
But you're not - because that's not typically how the contracts operate.
Buying school supplies is not a requirement - which means you're buying them out of your own pocket - not by mandate - and then blaming your contract.
It would be people like you who are to blame for why teachers don't get paid.
Why?
Because you didn't sue if you were commanded to work unpaid or you didn't get reimbursement like you're supposed to if it's for a class demand.
So you working unpaid is a part of the problem if that's the case.
You're setting the precedent instead of either choosing not to work or suing for unpaid wages.
@@JackLloyd check the news there are tons of teachers and professors who work off the clock and many with no benefits. Why do you think there is so many adjunct professors and teachers on strike. My job has required me to do several trainings that are unpaid.
@@JackLloyd Ugh, you need a reality check, my dear.
I'm reading some of these posts. To all who think YOU can go teach everyday and put up with what teachers do, be my guest. Teachers ARE very underpaid. Look at Lebron!!! He can put a basketball in a hoop!! He's now a billionaire?? Omg. Has this country gone insane!! Teachers should actually be higher paid than a lawyer! They are your children's babysitter, protector, educated, counselor and make up what parents refuse to do. How much are your children worth? Raise teachers salaries. They get a degree like lawyers but the headaches and the time they really spend on children are priceless. I honor them and teach your kids to respect authority. Get God back on our schools!! And I pray Texas ban any child from drag queen bars!! The downfall of this country is coming from this very thing. Stop it now and note those who call you a bigot OUT!! We are bigger than they and more of us. Don't be afraid of being called a bigot. It's a badge of honor. Means you are moral and a caring person not radical and perverted.
LeBron is paid highly because he drives a lot of people to see him play who want to see his talents. Teachers only deserve what people are willing to pay them voluntarily. If you think they should be paid more, write them a check yourself.
Teachers have the easiest job ever. You've been in school Your whole life, instead of completing school and getting a job where you have to redefine yourself and try hard for a new boss. You just stayed in school, where its public and not private. You get over 150 days off a year and still make 50-70k. You get every holiday, you get spring break, you get summer. The demands are high on a teachers personal time. However you don't HAVE to do those extra things on your own time and dime. In fact in my entire life I never once had a teacher that did this. Every teacher I ever new came in tired, and whipped out the sheets they printed out 3 years ago with the same questions they used 3 years ago. Shits tough I know.
I’m hoping this is a joke
It is not.
Teachers in Louisiana are paid dirt, especially in the smaller cities. I know most people are like “well teachers complain about the pay but get new iPhones” there’s this thing called monthly payment 🙄
Why buy things you know you cant afford though?
@@salvulcano7426 lmao
@@salvulcano7426 lmao for real though 🤣💀 they can afford it, they just like to act like they are getting paid below minimum wage, when they make more than enough. It varies by places like if you live in Louisiana and you live in a smaller city ofc you going to get paid less doesn’t mean that you not making enough or more than the average person there though.
Compulsory education is a norm in the entire world. Why do you think that is?
I know why. If you want to know why as well, please watch the documentary, Schooling The World, here:
www.filmsforaction.org/watch/schooling-the-world-2010/
And read:
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/freedom-learn/200808/brief-history-education
Being a teacher is such a thankless job. I can't believe I went through all of that financially, emotionally, and time wise to get the credentials needed to educate our children. I strongly think that with the profession with doctors and lawyers. I pray that in the near future teachers are rewarded for all of the sacrifices we make.
You should not be thanked unless someone wishes to thank you for a voluntary transaction.
If you're in public school, you're paid by taxes, which are forcible takings.
That is not "thank" worthy.
@@JackLloydOoOoO you're that kind of idiot
@@JackLloyd Is it fair to say you do not believe education to be a public good and should be up to the private sector to allocate and families to fund voluntarily? Also, do you believe taxes on income, FICA, Medicare, etc are also "forcible takings" and we should not have to pay them?
@@DionHuey Hey Dion! I am for a free market in education and all other goods and services. I have 3 nonfiction books addressing these topics you can check out at: jackvlloyd.com/the-definitive-guide-book/
Public school teachers should be paid less and only should need a bachelors.
They should be paid only what people are willing to voluntarily pay
You neglected to discuss the difference between a teacher collecting a pension which they only have to contribute a very minor amount to, yet in most areas can collect until the day they die. Making 50K a year as a teacher (who only works 9 months a year), who puts 8% into a 75% pension, who only has to work till 59.5 on average, who lives to 90 years old, will have contributed only $122,000 to their pension in total and collect nearly $2 million in retirement (adjusted for COL benefits). In order for a private sector employee to collect that much they would have to saved 40% of their salary, retire at 70, and PRAY that they don't live past 90.
I dont know what area you teach in but sign me up as after working 40 years my pension will amount to roughly $400 a month when retiring in 15 years from now.
@@fusionchef1 bullshit. What city?
The teachers deserve that kind of money just as everyone else doing good for people as good as they can
they are not doing as good as they can for people. every other month the teachers at my school start protesting for higher pay while Im stuck using text books from 2003. These teachers do nothing but sit behind a computer and read sheets off of google and make us take notes. The principle bought 5000 dollar tables that broke the next day. 1. The teachers in public education systems do not do as good as they can for people 2. Even if they had good intentions, which they dont, they are making poor administrative choices and do not belong in the positions they have. Lastly and most importantly, where is the evidence that increasing teacher pay increases quality of education. The main purpose of schools is to provide students with education, not to provide adults with high paying teaching jobs.
@@liamwhite5529 But shouldnt something like teachers in early years still be held at high enough values my school's teachers barely have enough for rent yet can still give chromebooks to every student they work their butts off working with children that cant go elsewhere teachers are some of the reasons why people even do their career either by encouragement or motivation Ive seen the work my teachers put every day and for some people to say that teachers dont work hard enough is wrong. I see where your coming from and Im very sorry for you and everyone else's situation but why then do good teachers get put down
@@arielwowie2309 First of all obviously this is a situation that should be looked at case by case, some teachers probably are underpaid, some teachers are probably overpaid, clearly funding goes to different places in our schools so this is an issue that should be accessed based on individual school boards. But heres the main point, no one is being forced to become a teacher, they are in those positions because they willingly put themselves there. For the career I want, I'm expecting literally 0 in profit for the first few years after you take out rent and other living costs, and that's completely fair. I wont have the experience yet to demand higher pay, so what do I do? I work my ass off to get to the experience and job that I want, thats how life works. I dont just demand higher pay because I feel entitled to better living standards.
These comments are sad, the idea that people think that teachers are overpaid and use facts such as pointing out rich men who are teachers to prove that teacher salary’s aren’t low... smh. A teacher does have benefits, long breaks, and the ability to unionize, but they deal with so much, like buying school supplies for their own class, teaching and taking care of kids, working longer days, sometimes until 11:00pm at the school. It’s much more than just a 7:00-2:00 job and the stress doesn’t stop at the school doors. Many teachers tutor outside class. The idea that teachers aren’t underpaid is just straight up denial and an argument easily said from people who have higher salary’s.
They only deserve what they agree to.
And, more importantly, what is given via consent.
Teachers are paid by force - taxes.
Therefore, they don't deserve anything because taxes are taken by force.
The buying extra supplies? A choice. On them.
They don't take responsibility for their actions, just like they don't take responsibility for their finances.
Just pointing out the fact that teachers kind of shape the future of society. And actually, the majority of teachers do work in the summer making lesson plans for when school begins(the same can be said for any breaks within the school year). And no duh some teachers don't work in the summer, there's nothing to work for, a teacher can't do their job without students to teach.
They are shaping the world. Largely, to have children be obedient to those in power.
Blue • yea teachers shape the future that's why my high school teacher had us coloring and naming USA map and Europe map .lol you're funny
Blue • you can always get another job in the summer which most people can’t do because they don’t have 2 and a half months off. Also there numerous fields where people work more than the regular 9-5 yet get paid for 8 hours a days. I constantly am getting stuff done at night at home and not getting “paid” for it. One of the great things about teachers is they shape the future of society, BUT that doesn’t mean they should be PAID more when they already have a higher starting and average salary than most people in other fields.
You mean indoctrinate children?
You can tell all the dislikes are from people who didn't watch the video.
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Yep!! Teachers are taken advantage of any teacher not making $100k is underpaid but that's not enough since teachers grade work and work 7 days a week
So you're saying because teachers can't manage their time wisely they should be paid more?
they're worth 60k tops. What world are you living in?
@@misterm5325 60k IS FUCKING CRAZY bro most people make 50k a year BUSTING THEYRE ASS literally almost loosing limbs after long amounts of times that hard of jobs teachers ARE NOT underpayed
@@ayanokoji2355 Hey I was being generous and I'm coming from a high cost of living area.
Most teachers should be let off anyway, there are plenty of jobs being lost to automation and teaching is probably one of the easiest professions to heavily automate.
How?
😂😂😂😂😂😂sure dude ok.
@@duffmann2021 youtube videos from folks in the industry you are studying. Better than most of the flunkie teachers who hadn't worked another job since they were flipping burgers in high school.
1: I'm not paid for any holidays or summer. My contract is for 187 days & that's what I'm paid for, they just spread the money out all year
2: I work in a state where unions are not allowed for teachers, although u can join one, all it does it give u limited protections.
3: it's not that I can't do something else but this is what I went to school for.
1. Okay.
2. Okay.
3. Okay.
And this is any less of a problem for any other job holder, how?
Cause I worker harder and more hours in that 187 then anyone else does at 365 day. All on my free time!! Most people that don't teach have no clue what goes into a teachers job and assume all kinds of things!
So why don't you just get a different job that pays more and allows you to work less? What keeps you from that?
Cause I like the job for most part & don't need to do anything else. But I should be paid more for ALL that I do!
No, you should only be paid for what the market allows. However, you're not a market employee. Your job is funded by taxation, which is money forcibly taken from people.
If your job funding increase was honest, you'd go and just point a gun to your neighbor's head like the IRS does if you wanted to be paid more.
In reality, you choose the job you have because the government has monopolized the product, and you find the subjective value of taking that government-funded job greater than the risk of doing anything else.
Let me quote this “teachers should earn just as much as doctors because a doctor can do heart surgery and save the life of a kid but a great teacher can reach the heart of that kid and allow them to truly live see teachers are hero’s they don’t have to get blame but there not the problem they work in a system without many options or rights” do you think differently about teachers pay now
Lexi Magrone No. That person is completely ignorant on the concept of economics and investment. A doctor requires 8 years of schooling and 2 years of residency. A teacher in most states just needs a bachelor's degree. The idea that a teacher should automatically be paid more with less time spent and less money spent on reaching their professional status is absurd.
But, more importantly, it should be up to market demands. It should be up to voluntary support what teachers earn, not the theft of taxes.
It’s simple economics, doctors work in a hospital where they generate money and lots of it. So, they get paid well. Teachers work in schools, where money is not generated. Therefore, it reflects in their pay. It’s unfortunate, because teachers are very important and we need good ones.
Exactly who is arguing a teacher should make on average $500,000 a year? As that is what "heart surgeons" make.
Teachers are overpaid especially in California my sister in law earns 78,000 a year and she’s been with the school district 12 years. California is an expensive state but it’s not that expensive. What’s so hard about teaching Spanish to high school kids?
78K isn't as much in Cali due to taxes and cost of living.
But here salary is still wrong as it should be nothing unless it is voluntary.
78k really isnt much in california tbh.
teachers are underpaid. Also, it depends on the school. If teachers have a stricter school can have it to where they have to grade assignments, do virtual calls while having to monitor the kids and wherever they go and maybe have to go into school depending on what state they teach in. These things are coming out of a person who has never been a teacher. My mom is a teacher and I can tell you that It is hard for teachers to make homework, grade tests and homework, and teach in the same day. These tasks can create unhealthy mental state for teachers as they are always working and only have time to sleep and make dinner. Depending on which state you are in, It also can be all on teachers if a student is not passing. They are also graded on how effective they are with their students. These tasks that teachers need to do to get a higher score on it is all on the teacher. Yet, there is home conditions, lack of sleep, overall not wanting to learn that can lead to these students not doing what they need to. My mom teaches in a district where there is poverty. Some kids do not have internet, or food, or a stable income for their families. These can lead to mental factors on the child on how they focus in school. Of course, teachers have good benefits but this depends on the district. Teachers do have a nice and stable job. Yet, the cost of these benefits cause extensive work hours put on teachers and students and it is for everyday. Depending on the district, Teachers start out with a usual 45,000 - 50,000 dollars a year. They keep going up with experience. Teachers with experience or 25-30 years of teaching can earn up to 75,000-85,000 dollars a year. These wages are decent, but, it depends on the district and the fact that without teachers there would be no jobs or a future of world intellegence shows that this is not good enough pay. In the beginning of teaching, they are only making as much as a worker. This is not fair because teachers work all day everyday. Not to say that workers do not work all day. Workers can be hard skilled workers with good work ethic. Teachers still have to do work on weekends which is usually grading assignments and posting and making assignments.
There is no way to suggest that a teacher is "underpaid" without a comparative of what they should be paid and why.
If you want to understand, go ahead and try to explain WHAT teachers should be paid, why, and by who.
Then think about the issues with what you write in a comparative.
The only ethical payment teachers can receive is one that is based on individual choice.
Have you ever taught in a public school? Have you ever had your life threatened on a daily basis at work? Have you ever been spit on, hit, cursed, or sexually assaulted? This is what today's teachers deal with on a daily basis. If you don't believe me, spend a day in a local middle school. If you are going to make a youtube video about teaching, at least spend a few days walking in the shoes of an actual teacher.
Yes. I've seen those things and have done those things as a public school teacher.
So I am right, then right?
Cindy Covington shut up boomer
Then leave... I’m so sick of you self inflicted victims.
Can you seriously do nothing else but teach? Or is teaching the only thing you’re qualified to do because you have no other skills because you never developed yourself to be an appealing candidate to the private sector?
Wait, don’t answer, I already know the answer.
@@50bladesofgrey43 THEY NEEED TO GO BACK TO COLLEGE OR SOMETIME OF SCHOOL IF THEY WANT ANOTHER PROFESION THAT IS GOOD FOR PROVIDING FOR THEM
All teachers should stick together, work the same hours... n not do extra work to impress the managers. Then we can have a work life balance, and actually have a Saturday and Sunday to spend with family.
Or just quit and start schools that are self-directed learning centers.