Really great video. I love that our tradition is both true and firm on the essentials and expressed in the formularies while also modest enough to avoid “nailing down” everything about everything (like Rome and some Protestants try to do).
I think you made the correct decision, changing your name back to young Anglican. But keep being sub umbra as your motto will be great just explain the motto to people who don’t know Latin lol I know a little Latin.
We got our Apostolic Succession from Gregory the Great, and we have the AV Bible, the Prayer Book 1662/1928, and the 39 Articles, so we don't have to worry what Welby or Francis are saying or doing.
Lol! The Anglican Church does not stand in apostolic succession. Your priests are just as invalid as your priestesses. Join the True Church and stop having make-believe Masses.
How do you know that your priest has unbroken Apostolic Succession? If you are an Anglican, it is entirely possible that your priest has somewhere in his line of succession a female pseudobishop (i.e., a false bishop!) and therefore lacks Apostolic Succession.
@@AntoniusOhiiwell for a start, female bishops have only been appointed for 10 years so for now you can easily do the research. My diocese has just had a new bishop appointed, whose orders were given by the Archbishop of Canterbury. I grant that in some provinces (sadly including mine) this may get muddied in the near future but for now it’s safeish
Though christened CofE I wasn’t raised as that but now in my 60’s I am coming to Anglican and in my research I see there has been a church split . I want to practice traditional Anglican. I don’t want to get caught up in politics as I am here to learn about Jesus and His teachings . What goes on in the world doesn’t concern me . We keep our eyes on the Lord and stay close to scriptures we can’t possibly go wrong
If there were an Anglican study Bible, whose writings would you want to see in the notes? Assuming we aren’t including the Fathers, I’d probably go with Hooker, Pusey, Cramner, some Wright, and maybe a peppering of CS Lewis for sections on Christian living.
St. Richard Hooker should be recognized as a Divine Doctor of the Church. Fr fr. I love Pusey as well. John Jewel, Lancelot Andrewes, and John Davenant should have notes in such a study Bible. Honestly... someone should compile one.
The difference between inerrancy and infallibility is that an inerrant text simply has no errors, but an infallible text was unable to be written with errors. So a good math textbook might be inerrant, but it's authors could have made a mistake and put an error into the text.
Catfinity, do you consider the Septuagintal text type family inerrant or the Masoretic text type family of Scripture inerrant? Because there is a huge differences between the two.
@@roddumlauf9241 First, the idea of a text-type being inerrant is absurd, because text-types are just manuscript traditions, and there is plenty of variance within the text-types. We should attempt to determine what the text read when in was originally disseminated. This includes edits made before its dissemination to Israel/the Church. (Moses wrote the Law, but Deuteronomy records his death and what happened soon after, so it was only finished after his death). It may be determined that one text-type is to be preferred over others as conforming most closely with the original, even to the extent of almost exclusively using it, but the text-type itself isn't inerrant. For this reason, the Hebrew text is the inerrant Scripture. The LXX is older than the Masoretic text and Dead Sea Scrolls and can be referenced when determining which readings should be preferred, but should not be given the same status as the Hebrew text.
@@roddumlauf9241 First, the idea of a text-type being inerrant is absurd, because text-types are just manuscript traditions, and there is plenty of variance within the text-types. We should attempt to determine what the text read when in was originally disseminated. This includes edits made before its dissemination to Israel/the Church. (Moses wrote the Law, but Deuteronomy records his death and what happened soon after, so it was only finished after his death). It may be determined that one text-type is to be preferred over others as conforming most closely with the original, even to the extent of almost exclusively using it, but the text-type itself isn't inerrant.
@@roddumlauf9241 For this reason, the Hebrew text is the inerrant Scripture. The LXX is older than the Masoretic text-type and Dead Sea Scrolls and can be referenced when determining which readings should be preferred, but should not be given the same status as a Hebrew text. It is debatable exactly how much importance should be given to it, but it should be used to determine what the Hebrew text originally disseminated said, not as the inerrant Scripture proper.
@@catfinity8799 So then why did St. Paul say the the Greek Old Testament was inspired and not the Hebrew pro-Masoretic ?? The Dead Sea Scrolls show that the Septuagint is based on a much older text than the Masoretic. So what you are saying is that the Orthodox have been using an errant Bible for more than 2,000 years. You are saying Augustine was wrong and Jerome was right.
36:36 Isn't this how we got Methodism in America? Or something very like this. I appreciate your well-spoken thoughtfulness. If I wasn't already a Nazarene, you'd have won me for the Anglicans.
@@SaltyPalamite Suit yourself, trad. But remember that traditional catholicism is a 'dead memory' and 'paganism of thought' according to your own pontiff :)
Oh man, I love the River and Paul wojaks in the Augustinian Soteriology section. I haven't listened in depth yet, but I appreciate the video! I have been wrestling with Angliicanism recently, as I feel I am doctrinally pretty close (despite being a reformed leaning baptist who attends a non denominational church lol) and admire a lot about the tradition. In one of your previous dialogues with a baptist you mentioned how viewing paedobaptism as valid but preferring a delay on prudential reasons, ala Gregory of Naziansus, to be a paedobaptist position, could you expand on that here? I am currently of the belief that credobaptism is preferrable for prudential reasons, but don't deny the efficacy of any baptism if it is recieved in faith, so I am curious if that is a possible view in Anglicanism.
Lutherans consider absolution a big-S (dominical) Sacrament, though a lot of the time they present it more as a continuation of baptism rather than a separate sacrament.
@@davidon1984I think the argument is that it is something Christ did, but not something Christ commanded us to receive. I firmly believe in seven sacraments, however.
Lutherans would say that it is not a sacrament in the strict sense because a physical substance is not constitutive of it like in baptism (water) or communion (bread and wine). But in a more loose sense some may call it the third sacrament.
Is there such a thing as a Female Presbyter? Truth is indeed important and knowing the true answer to this question is more important than some will acknowledge unfortunately.
I love your content for the most part and you make great secondary arguments for how sola apostolica and the tradition of the Church inform your view of sola scriptura. Finding value in at least large aspects of the historical through line is great and an honorable perspective... but there's still the big epistemological problem with the doctrine of sola scriptura that I wish you could address. Sola scriptura might be essentially true, but we as human beings are not scripture, we're readers of scripture. We don't have access to the essence of scripture we only have access to our interpretation. It sounds like you're saying the more grounded we are in the apostolic tradition the better our interpretation is going to be which I would agree with. But this isn't proof for sola scriptura it's proof for the authority of the apostles speaking with the Holy Spirit, whose teachings were partially preserved in scripture, but cannot be infallibly unlocked unless the meaning of the teaching has been perfectly preserved and passed down through the tradition of the Church. So I think the logical conclusion of your view of sola scriptura is that it only "works" if we can turn the dial back far enough to understand the original apostolic teaching, through which we can harmonize the words on the page and our mental understanding. Infallibility necessarily comes from the interpretation preserved through apostolic tradition, it's not baked into the text itself.
I looked into Anglican. Yes some of the theology is very interesting, but the Anglican world is a massive mess, and I don't see how even the break offs will be OK. I think they are just 20-40 years away from the same fate themselves.
On apostolic succession, many Anglicans don’t have it. Many Anglicans realized that and got reordained or ordained by other churches. Did Matthew Parker actually receive apostolic succession at his ordination? Maybe, maybe not and many questioned it
I've considered the Anglo-Catholic church but I can't let go of Transubstantiation as it is made clear in John 6 that the Eucharist IS Christ's Body and Blood and was never written as something symbolic. If it were symbolic (consubstantiation) then the scriptures would've read as "This means my body" or "This symbolizes my body". He would've also stopped his disciples that ran away and would've told them "it was just symbolic, come back". What does He do instead? He doubles down and turns to his Apostles and asks if they are going to run away too.
You can believe in the physical, true presence of His body and blood without believing in the theory of transubstantiation. See the Lutheran Confessions, especially the article in the Epitome to the Formula of Concord, for more details.
@@charless7653 Yea but are the proper words used for consecration? And were the Priests ordained by a Bishop with Apostolic succession? And keep in mind, I'm not talking about Anglican/Episcopal churches, I'm referring to Anglo-Catholics under the Anglican Province of America.
Lutherans also believe the elements are literally Christ's body and blood, they just take this in a more mystical sense and don't describe it in metaphysical terms like transubstantiation.
The fact that all apostolic traditions (Catholic ‘ west and east’, Eastern Orthodox, oriental orthodox and the church of East) all hold that the substance of bread and wine no longer exists but the substance of Christ body and blood are made present. Why should we believe reformational communities and abandon the faith?
@@gregorypizarro9403 The issue with the Orthodox is they don't hold biblical values in the same way the Anglo-Catholics do. Orthodox allow contraception and even divorce outside of the grounds of adultery.
Do young Anglicans support abortion? In re "prima scriptura" who makes the final decision as to the correct interpretation? Do young Anglicans claim Apostolic Succession?
I hope the Catholic Church and Anglican Church reconcile ecumenically. We acquire the Pope, the succession of Saint Peter. And Catholics acquire Anglican theology. I hope all Catholics have our theology and so that we can reunify. I pray for reconciliation. In unity all the world may know Christ.
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 My comment was in regards to your erroneous belief in a pretend church. It seems to me you are in a position where there are two churches you wish would reconcile, there's only one church.
@@noahtylerpritchett2682 If you know of them, which reconciliation are you praying for? It means you believe in the only Church (as a man is to one spouse)
Do you beliece the human authors have to be the traditional authors or do you hold to more modern biblical views i.e. john written by a group rather than a single person.
So would that mean that churches not anglican or catholic or other wise are not Christian? So like Baptists to Lutheran or Presbyters are not in the church but outside it and do not have any true sacramental anything? Even if they do believe in those things like in Gavin Ortlungs case who is reformed Baptist? So far it sounds like even your idea of protestentism and his which he lays out are once again different or at odds.
@@Young_Anglican So would they be like Christians without the church similar to Catholics view of separated breatheren? Just using that to help aid the understanding of the idea. One of my confusions and fears is to see someone like Mike Winger or Billy Graham saying they do not have the church so they are not Christian since as you pointed out you cannot have God without the church as mother; to the idea of they are not being faithful in thinking that the Lord's supper is memorial despite believing it has spiritual significance and are like if Noah just did not want to build the boat and thus have no faith. Those sections did not sound like what you said here, as if they had faith they would see it as the literal body and blood and participate in Anglicanism or any other church with a bishop that goes back to the apostles.
@@JesusRodriguez-gu1wv they have faith in Christ and the Church is the Body of Christ. They have wrong theology, but they can still be in the Church (capital C). I just don't think their ministers have an apostolic ministry and this often leads people into doctrinal error.
@Young_Anglican I see thanks for your patience from God and your video. I am struggling right now in my faith due to many reasons this being a branch of it. The one true church vs the more protestent outlook. But pray please that God not abandon me and lead me and pull me through repentance and faith and transformation.
Well the simple answer to this is if the gates of hell cannot prevail against the church than why dose the church need to be reformed come to orthodoxy brothers☦️
Why be Anglican when it was founded on lust, greed, divorce, betrayal, and murder, When you can be Catholic which was founded by Christ and the Apostles.
You have to realize this is the same as people who say "there was a bad Pope once so your religion is invalid". And we don't even think that the King of England is infallible or anything. The bishops in England all stayed the same from before and after Henry VIII, and the current split between England and Rome isn't even from him because Mary I returned to Rome and then the Bishops and Elizabeth I separated again for theological reasons.
Unfortunately, that's not entirely true. All of Anglicanism has been powerfully influenced by the novelties introduced via Reformed theology. Which is quite unlike Lutheranism.
My biggest issue with Anglicanism is its ecclesiology. I don’t see how Anglicans can see people they are in schism with as apart of the same Catholic Church as them. This seems to me to contradict the ancient deposit of Faith according to the Ecumenical Councils and Church Fathers such as St. Cyprian and St. Augustine.
What about the Acacian schism, when Rome and Constantinople broke communion with each other? Was one of them apostate for 35 years? We should seek unity in the Church, but that doesn't mean that we necessarily have it to such an extent that the Church is limited to one group.
I can’t speak for all Anglicans, and I see all Christians as being part of the same family. Just because one group decides to go their own way on an issue doesn’t make them any less my brothers and sisters. We have a distinction between catholic (small c) and Catholic (big C) to describe the difference between the universal church and the Roman Church, which I think you also may be conflating.
This is an aspect of Church History a lot of people overlook. The Acacian schism wasn't the only time the early church was split over issues. We have a tendency to look back at the ecumenical councils (now that the smoke has settled) and assume that church history went something like this: 1. United Church, 2. Heresy arises, 3: United Church holds council, 4. Everyone accepts it and moves on, leaving heretics in the dust. But that is not at all how it actually played out for really any of the councils. There were constant attempts at ecumenical councils, with the vast majority failing. Even the 7 that are widely recognized today were not immediately accepted, some took hundreds of years for the Roman and Eastern churches to accept respectively. Reception of these teachings took time. I think you probably have a good case with Augustine, schism with the singular institution was a big problem for him. But I am not sure the earlier fathers were in the same company. Councils came about to unite churches that were functioning largely independently via their own bishops. Local councils were much more relevant to regional churches than the rare ecumenical ones. Athanasius argued we never needed another council after Nicea, actually. The Ecumenical Councils only came about to put out huge fires. So I think Anglicans would simply say that. They never stopped doing what they've always done. The Catholic Church was always muddied by new heresies, attempted ecumenical councils, and large periods of disagreement - just as it is today.
@@AB-dw2op I’m not under Rome, so I would be happy to say that the Acacian schism did not mean one of the Sees was apostate since both were in communion with other Sees which where in communion. There was not a complete break is communion, like Moscow and Constantinople are both in communion with Jerusalem right now. I agree with your point that EC are messy and their implementation is not immediate. Nonetheless, eventually Rome was completely out of communion with the Orthodox, just as the Monophysites and the Nestorians before them. Still, the Anglicans are completely out of communion with Rome and the Orthodox, so there is a complete break in schism. This means that they are two separate communions. How can we say the Body of Christ is not divided if there are multiple completely separate communions? What does one mean? Certainly not anything that would be recognizable to the early Church, or even the medieval Church. This is why Anglicanism seems to me to be wrong. It invents a new ecclesiology.
13:30 - Honestly, I wouldn’t recommend going to an eastern orthodox liturgy. I used to be one of those people that was like “oh, it’s so beautiful,” but when you actually pay attention to the words, it’s not actually beautiful. The reading of the psalms is beautiful, the little bit of the gospel readings is beautiful, but the chants are what is really beautiful. But the actual liturgy is just Lord have mercy repeated 12 times in a row four or five times per service along with blasphemous level prayers to Mary-not saying all prayers to Mary blasphemous, but ones that say she’s holier than the Seraphim and the treasure of heaven and stuff like that. Cringe. (I typed this with voice 2 text)
As recent converts to Anglicanism, my wife and I had to discuss this issue too. In the end, we figured are good arguments on both sides. However, if we baptize our child now and they later desire an adult baptism, they can always do that, but the reverse isn’t true, so it didn’t feel like an issue for us.
@@TheDallasDwayne I see your point but I’m really young so I’m not to eager to change denominations right now ill just stay put and have faith in gods divine promise
@@TheScholarlyBaptisteastern orthodoxy is the church established by Christ. heres a fun quick clip as a "trailer" if you will. ua-cam.com/video/sn20pr5jBu4/v-deo.htmlsi=BI6YJL_lwM1a3FjO
Where does scripture come from? Mathew Mark Luke and John are anonymous third person accounts. What does that mean? In no place does it say I Mathew etc. was walking with Jesus who said to me this or that. The names came about a hundred years later and not because someone found an original manuscript or James the Just had told his followers who wrote these books. It was the church father based on speculation. Then we come to Paul. He never met Jesus in the flesh but more like in a dream or two. Paul seems to be ignorant on the life, travels, sayings of Jesus and is occupied entirely with his death, resurrection and return that he claimed will be in his lifetime. Then there are the fake letters of Paul. Paul, in a letter, even warns people that there are fake letters out there. The church fathers identified fake letters and even so today's scholarship shows that some fake letters and parts of letters ended up in the bible. So while the scriptures may be the ultimate authority where is the authority for the authentic words of God? Paul, that was not an eye witness but in visions we must accept by faith, or the church fathers who often disagreed with each other or the founders of the Anglican faith?
@jamesford5994 No they are not. Your priests are just as invalid as your priestesses. Your Church was founded by Henry VIII on divorce and murder, and does not stand in apostolic succession. Your Eucharist is invalid and bread and wine, merely, because your priests do not have validly consecrated hands. Just join the Church; there is an Ordinariate for you. At the very least, become Eastern Orthodox because all their sacraments are valid.
Really great video. I love that our tradition is both true and firm on the essentials and expressed in the formularies while also modest enough to avoid “nailing down” everything about everything (like Rome and some Protestants try to do).
Great job! Thank you for your efforts in defending this beautiful tradition. World without end! 🇬🇧🇨🇱
I think you made the correct decision, changing your name back to young Anglican. But keep being sub umbra as your motto will be great just explain the motto to people who don’t know Latin lol I know a little Latin.
Glad to have found another Anglican Channel. Love from a fellow Anglican in Malaysia!
Sending love from England!!
We got our Apostolic Succession from Gregory the Great, and we have the AV Bible, the Prayer Book 1662/1928, and the 39 Articles, so we don't have to worry what Welby or Francis are saying or doing.
Lol! The Anglican Church does not stand in apostolic succession. Your priests are just as invalid as your priestesses. Join the True Church and stop having make-believe Masses.
How do you know that your priest has unbroken Apostolic Succession? If you are an Anglican, it is entirely possible that your priest has somewhere in his line of succession a female pseudobishop (i.e., a false bishop!) and therefore lacks Apostolic Succession.
@@AntoniusOhii I am not a Donatist. Pax.
@@AntoniusOhiiwell for a start, female bishops have only been appointed for 10 years so for now you can easily do the research. My diocese has just had a new bishop appointed, whose orders were given by the Archbishop of Canterbury. I grant that in some provinces (sadly including mine) this may get muddied in the near future but for now it’s safeish
Well done, Joe. I think this is great. May God bless your efforts.
Thank you!
YA is back... Basically life is a W right now.
The Three-Legged Stool would be better described as "The Tricycle" with Scripture being the biggest and leading wheel. ;-)
The Church has authority over all.
Though christened CofE I wasn’t raised as that but now in my 60’s I am coming to Anglican and in my research I see there has been a church split . I want to practice traditional Anglican. I don’t want to get caught up in politics as I am here to learn about Jesus and His teachings . What goes on in the world doesn’t concern me . We keep our eyes on the Lord and stay close to scriptures we can’t possibly go wrong
If there were an Anglican study Bible, whose writings would you want to see in the notes?
Assuming we aren’t including the Fathers, I’d probably go with Hooker, Pusey, Cramner, some Wright, and maybe a peppering of CS Lewis for sections on Christian living.
St. Richard Hooker should be recognized as a Divine Doctor of the Church. Fr fr. I love Pusey as well. John Jewel, Lancelot Andrewes, and John Davenant should have notes in such a study Bible. Honestly... someone should compile one.
The difference between inerrancy and infallibility is that an inerrant text simply has no errors, but an infallible text was unable to be written with errors. So a good math textbook might be inerrant, but it's authors could have made a mistake and put an error into the text.
Catfinity, do you consider the Septuagintal text type family inerrant or the Masoretic text type family of Scripture inerrant? Because there is a huge differences between the two.
@@roddumlauf9241 First, the idea of a text-type being inerrant is absurd, because text-types are just manuscript traditions, and there is plenty of variance within the text-types. We should attempt to determine what the text read when in was originally disseminated. This includes edits made before its dissemination to Israel/the Church. (Moses wrote the Law, but Deuteronomy records his death and what happened soon after, so it was only finished after his death). It may be determined that one text-type is to be preferred over others as conforming most closely with the original, even to the extent of almost exclusively using it, but the text-type itself isn't inerrant.
For this reason, the Hebrew text is the inerrant Scripture. The LXX is older than the Masoretic text and Dead Sea Scrolls and can be referenced when determining which readings should be preferred, but should not be given the same status as the Hebrew text.
@@roddumlauf9241 First, the idea of a text-type being inerrant is absurd, because text-types are just manuscript traditions, and there is plenty of variance within the text-types. We should attempt to determine what the text read when in was originally disseminated. This includes edits made before its dissemination to Israel/the Church. (Moses wrote the Law, but Deuteronomy records his death and what happened soon after, so it was only finished after his death). It may be determined that one text-type is to be preferred over others as conforming most closely with the original, even to the extent of almost exclusively using it, but the text-type itself isn't inerrant.
@@roddumlauf9241 For this reason, the Hebrew text is the inerrant Scripture. The LXX is older than the Masoretic text-type and Dead Sea Scrolls and can be referenced when determining which readings should be preferred, but should not be given the same status as a Hebrew text. It is debatable exactly how much importance should be given to it, but it should be used to determine what the Hebrew text originally disseminated said, not as the inerrant Scripture proper.
@@catfinity8799 So then why did St. Paul say the the Greek Old Testament was inspired and not the Hebrew pro-Masoretic ?? The Dead Sea Scrolls show that the Septuagint is based on a much older text than the Masoretic. So what you are saying is that the Orthodox have been using an errant Bible for more than 2,000 years. You are saying Augustine was wrong and Jerome was right.
Excellent video sir!
36:36 Isn't this how we got Methodism in America? Or something very like this.
I appreciate your well-spoken thoughtfulness. If I wasn't already a Nazarene, you'd have won me for the Anglicans.
What's a Nazarene?
Thank you.
I wish there were more Protestant traditions like Anglicanism, each with their national flavor. That would be epic.
Protesantism in whatever variety is nihilism.
@@SaltyPalamite Suit yourself, trad. But remember that traditional catholicism is a 'dead memory' and 'paganism of thought' according to your own pontiff :)
More Protestant traditions like Anglicanism? You want more priestesses, Pride masses, et cetera?
@@AntoniusOhii That's not what I meant
@@libatonvhs Those seem to be its fruits though.
Oh man, I love the River and Paul wojaks in the Augustinian Soteriology section.
I haven't listened in depth yet, but I appreciate the video! I have been wrestling with Angliicanism recently, as I feel I am doctrinally pretty close (despite being a reformed leaning baptist who attends a non denominational church lol) and admire a lot about the tradition. In one of your previous dialogues with a baptist you mentioned how viewing paedobaptism as valid but preferring a delay on prudential reasons, ala Gregory of Naziansus, to be a paedobaptist position, could you expand on that here? I am currently of the belief that credobaptism is preferrable for prudential reasons, but don't deny the efficacy of any baptism if it is recieved in faith, so I am curious if that is a possible view in Anglicanism.
I would say that pragmatic delay of baptism is a paedobaptist position categorically, but it is definitely not a traditional Anglican view.
If you have the opportunity and haven't done so yet, I would recommend checking out a local parish (if you have one)!
Which liturgy from which BCP is beautiful? The innovations post 1979 have been all over the place. The RAT from the 2019 is meh
I can't figure out why Confession/Absolution isn't considered a Dominical Sacrament.
I’ve asked myself that same question before as well. To me it seems that there are 3 sacraments.
Lutherans consider absolution a big-S (dominical) Sacrament, though a lot of the time they present it more as a continuation of baptism rather than a separate sacrament.
@@davidon1984I think the argument is that it is something Christ did, but not something Christ commanded us to receive. I firmly believe in seven sacraments, however.
Lutherans would say that it is not a sacrament in the strict sense because a physical substance is not constitutive of it like in baptism (water) or communion (bread and wine). But in a more loose sense some may call it the third sacrament.
Is there such a thing as a Female Presbyter? Truth is indeed important and knowing the true answer to this question is more important than some will acknowledge unfortunately.
I love your content for the most part and you make great secondary arguments for how sola apostolica and the tradition of the Church inform your view of sola scriptura. Finding value in at least large aspects of the historical through line is great and an honorable perspective... but there's still the big epistemological problem with the doctrine of sola scriptura that I wish you could address.
Sola scriptura might be essentially true, but we as human beings are not scripture, we're readers of scripture. We don't have access to the essence of scripture we only have access to our interpretation. It sounds like you're saying the more grounded we are in the apostolic tradition the better our interpretation is going to be which I would agree with. But this isn't proof for sola scriptura it's proof for the authority of the apostles speaking with the Holy Spirit, whose teachings were partially preserved in scripture, but cannot be infallibly unlocked unless the meaning of the teaching has been perfectly preserved and passed down through the tradition of the Church.
So I think the logical conclusion of your view of sola scriptura is that it only "works" if we can turn the dial back far enough to understand the original apostolic teaching, through which we can harmonize the words on the page and our mental understanding. Infallibility necessarily comes from the interpretation preserved through apostolic tradition, it's not baked into the text itself.
Have you listened to the Word and Table podcast? Fr Alex is a good guy.
I haven't! I'll be sure to check it out
I looked into Anglican. Yes some of the theology is very interesting, but the Anglican world is a massive mess, and I don't see how even the break offs will be OK. I think they are just 20-40 years away from the same fate themselves.
Would it be okay to download this into a USB as part of a sort of "USB tract" to pass around to people curious about the Anglican faith?
Absolutely brother!
I have a challenge for you: keep your name and pfp the SAME
Haven't the foggiest!!!
On apostolic succession, many Anglicans don’t have it. Many Anglicans realized that and got reordained or ordained by other churches.
Did Matthew Parker actually receive apostolic succession at his ordination? Maybe, maybe not and many questioned it
Good video. Dr. Michael Bird also has a good, short video about reasons to be Anglican.
Easy choice, the anon x accounts for anglicans are way less obnoxious than EO and rc
I've considered the Anglo-Catholic church but I can't let go of Transubstantiation as it is made clear in John 6 that the Eucharist IS Christ's Body and Blood and was never written as something symbolic. If it were symbolic (consubstantiation) then the scriptures would've read as "This means my body" or "This symbolizes my body". He would've also stopped his disciples that ran away and would've told them "it was just symbolic, come back". What does He do instead? He doubles down and turns to his Apostles and asks if they are going to run away too.
You can believe in the physical, true presence of His body and blood without believing in the theory of transubstantiation. See the Lutheran Confessions, especially the article in the Epitome to the Formula of Concord, for more details.
@@charless7653 Yea but are the proper words used for consecration? And were the Priests ordained by a Bishop with Apostolic succession? And keep in mind, I'm not talking about Anglican/Episcopal churches, I'm referring to Anglo-Catholics under the Anglican Province of America.
Lutherans also believe the elements are literally Christ's body and blood, they just take this in a more mystical sense and don't describe it in metaphysical terms like transubstantiation.
The fact that all apostolic traditions (Catholic ‘ west and east’, Eastern Orthodox, oriental orthodox and the church of East) all hold that the substance of bread and wine no longer exists but the substance of Christ body and blood are made present. Why should we believe reformational communities and abandon the faith?
@@gregorypizarro9403 The issue with the Orthodox is they don't hold biblical values in the same way the Anglo-Catholics do. Orthodox allow contraception and even divorce outside of the grounds of adultery.
Do young Anglicans support abortion? In re "prima scriptura" who makes the final decision as to the correct interpretation? Do young Anglicans claim Apostolic Succession?
I hope the Catholic Church and Anglican Church reconcile ecumenically.
We acquire the Pope, the succession of Saint Peter.
And Catholics acquire Anglican theology.
I hope all Catholics have our theology and so that we can reunify.
I pray for reconciliation. In unity all the world may know Christ.
You can't pray for fairies to be true.
@@koppite9600 fortunately I believe in Jesus Christ who is Yahweh.
Not fairies
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My comment was in regards to your erroneous belief in a pretend church. It seems to me you are in a position where there are two churches you wish would reconcile, there's only one church.
@@koppite9600 have you not heard of Anglican use and the Anglican ordinariate?
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If you know of them, which reconciliation are you praying for? It means you believe in the only Church (as a man is to one spouse)
Do you beliece the human authors have to be the traditional authors or do you hold to more modern biblical views i.e. john written by a group rather than a single person.
So would that mean that churches not anglican or catholic or other wise are not Christian? So like Baptists to Lutheran or Presbyters are not in the church but outside it and do not have any true sacramental anything? Even if they do believe in those things like in Gavin Ortlungs case who is reformed Baptist? So far it sounds like even your idea of protestentism and his which he lays out are once again different or at odds.
Non Anglicans can definitely still be Christian. Faith in Christ makes you a Christian
@@Young_Anglican So would they be like Christians without the church similar to Catholics view of separated breatheren? Just using that to help aid the understanding of the idea. One of my confusions and fears is to see someone like Mike Winger or Billy Graham saying they do not have the church so they are not Christian since as you pointed out you cannot have God without the church as mother; to the idea of they are not being faithful in thinking that the Lord's supper is memorial despite believing it has spiritual significance and are like if Noah just did not want to build the boat and thus have no faith. Those sections did not sound like what you said here, as if they had faith they would see it as the literal body and blood and participate in Anglicanism or any other church with a bishop that goes back to the apostles.
@@JesusRodriguez-gu1wv they have faith in Christ and the Church is the Body of Christ. They have wrong theology, but they can still be in the Church (capital C). I just don't think their ministers have an apostolic ministry and this often leads people into doctrinal error.
@Young_Anglican I see thanks for your patience from God and your video. I am struggling right now in my faith due to many reasons this being a branch of it. The one true church vs the more protestent outlook. But pray please that God not abandon me and lead me and pull me through repentance and faith and transformation.
@@JesusRodriguez-gu1wv of course brother! I will be praying for you
Traditional Anglicanism cannot mean looking, acting, believing (doctrine), and wearing the uniform of a different denomination.
Well the simple answer to this is if the gates of hell cannot prevail against the church than why dose the church need to be reformed come to orthodoxy brothers☦️
Why be Anglican when it was founded on lust, greed, divorce, betrayal, and murder,
When you can be Catholic which was founded by Christ and the Apostles.
You have to realize this is the same as people who say "there was a bad Pope once so your religion is invalid". And we don't even think that the King of England is infallible or anything. The bishops in England all stayed the same from before and after Henry VIII, and the current split between England and Rome isn't even from him because Mary I returned to Rome and then the Bishops and Elizabeth I separated again for theological reasons.
Unfortunately, that's not entirely true. All of Anglicanism has been powerfully influenced by the novelties introduced via Reformed theology. Which is quite unlike Lutheranism.
My biggest issue with Anglicanism is its ecclesiology. I don’t see how Anglicans can see people they are in schism with as apart of the same Catholic Church as them. This seems to me to contradict the ancient deposit of Faith according to the Ecumenical Councils and Church Fathers such as St. Cyprian and St. Augustine.
Roman Catholics implicitly do the same thing with their view of the East.
What about the Acacian schism, when Rome and Constantinople broke communion with each other? Was one of them apostate for 35 years?
We should seek unity in the Church, but that doesn't mean that we necessarily have it to such an extent that the Church is limited to one group.
I can’t speak for all Anglicans, and I see all Christians as being part of the same family. Just because one group decides to go their own way on an issue doesn’t make them any less my brothers and sisters. We have a distinction between catholic (small c) and Catholic (big C) to describe the difference between the universal church and the Roman Church, which I think you also may be conflating.
This is an aspect of Church History a lot of people overlook. The Acacian schism wasn't the only time the early church was split over issues. We have a tendency to look back at the ecumenical councils (now that the smoke has settled) and assume that church history went something like this: 1. United Church, 2. Heresy arises, 3: United Church holds council, 4. Everyone accepts it and moves on, leaving heretics in the dust.
But that is not at all how it actually played out for really any of the councils. There were constant attempts at ecumenical councils, with the vast majority failing. Even the 7 that are widely recognized today were not immediately accepted, some took hundreds of years for the Roman and Eastern churches to accept respectively. Reception of these teachings took time.
I think you probably have a good case with Augustine, schism with the singular institution was a big problem for him. But I am not sure the earlier fathers were in the same company. Councils came about to unite churches that were functioning largely independently via their own bishops. Local councils were much more relevant to regional churches than the rare ecumenical ones. Athanasius argued we never needed another council after Nicea, actually.
The Ecumenical Councils only came about to put out huge fires. So I think Anglicans would simply say that. They never stopped doing what they've always done. The Catholic Church was always muddied by new heresies, attempted ecumenical councils, and large periods of disagreement - just as it is today.
@@AB-dw2op I’m not under Rome, so I would be happy to say that the Acacian schism did not mean one of the Sees was apostate since both were in communion with other Sees which where in communion. There was not a complete break is communion, like Moscow and Constantinople are both in communion with Jerusalem right now.
I agree with your point that EC are messy and their implementation is not immediate. Nonetheless, eventually Rome was completely out of communion with the Orthodox, just as the Monophysites and the Nestorians before them. Still, the Anglicans are completely out of communion with Rome and the Orthodox, so there is a complete break in schism. This means that they are two separate communions.
How can we say the Body of Christ is not divided if there are multiple completely separate communions? What does one mean? Certainly not anything that would be recognizable to the early Church, or even the medieval Church. This is why Anglicanism seems to me to be wrong. It invents a new ecclesiology.
13:30 - Honestly, I wouldn’t recommend going to an eastern orthodox liturgy. I used to be one of those people that was like “oh, it’s so beautiful,” but when you actually pay attention to the words, it’s not actually beautiful. The reading of the psalms is beautiful, the little bit of the gospel readings is beautiful, but the chants are what is really beautiful. But the actual liturgy is just Lord have mercy repeated 12 times in a row four or five times per service along with blasphemous level prayers to Mary-not saying all prayers to Mary blasphemous, but ones that say she’s holier than the Seraphim and the treasure of heaven and stuff like that. Cringe.
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I was once very attracted to Anglicanism but then I backed out for some reason I think it was infant baptism that put me off.
As recent converts to Anglicanism, my wife and I had to discuss this issue too. In the end, we figured are good arguments on both sides. However, if we baptize our child now and they later desire an adult baptism, they can always do that, but the reverse isn’t true, so it didn’t feel like an issue for us.
@@TheDallasDwayne I see your point but I’m really young so I’m not to eager to change denominations right now ill just stay put and have faith in gods divine promise
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Anglican is not true, it is based on Luther and King Henry, and not established by Christ.
Sorry man, England was not a Patriarchate, no need for anglicanism
Sola scriptura is a cope imo
Where does scripture come from? Mathew Mark Luke and John are anonymous third person accounts. What does that mean? In no place does it say I Mathew etc. was walking with Jesus who said to me this or that. The names came about a hundred years later and not because someone found an original manuscript or James the Just had told his followers who wrote these books. It was the church father based on speculation. Then we come to Paul. He never met Jesus in the flesh but more like in a dream or two. Paul seems to be ignorant on the life, travels, sayings of Jesus and is occupied entirely with his death, resurrection and return that he claimed will be in his lifetime. Then there are the fake letters of Paul. Paul, in a letter, even warns people that there are fake letters out there. The church fathers identified fake letters and even so today's scholarship shows that some fake letters and parts of letters ended up in the bible. So while the scriptures may be the ultimate authority where is the authority for the authentic words of God? Paul, that was not an eye witness but in visions we must accept by faith, or the church fathers who often disagreed with each other or the founders of the Anglican faith?
Anglican priests are not valid, and neither is the Anglican Eucharist.
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@@BenjaminAnderson21 So do the facts.
@jamesford5994 No they are not. Your priests are just as invalid as your priestesses. Your Church was founded by Henry VIII on divorce and murder, and does not stand in apostolic succession. Your Eucharist is invalid and bread and wine, merely, because your priests do not have validly consecrated hands. Just join the Church; there is an Ordinariate for you. At the very least, become Eastern Orthodox because all their sacraments are valid.
The Eastern Orthodox church disagrees :)