Answering Objections to Anglicanism
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
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As a high-church Anglican now, this video really helped me reach that point of accepting Anglicanism.
On your way home to Rome.
@@paulhallett1452 actually i’ve gone Orthodox since that comment
This video MIGHT make me an Anglican in the future.
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@@paulhallett1452 No thanks, i still believe in Jesus.
This video has been a big help. I've become disillusioned with my pentecostal church and have been mulling over where I should go. This has encouraged me to go check out an Anglican church, and as it turns out there's been one 10 minutes from my house for my whole life and I had no idea!
Same here, going to a non-denominational and feeling disillusioned with the idea of a lack of institution. The Anglican Church just feels right to me
When I was leaving Oneness Pentecostalism and trying to figure out where I fit in now, Dr. Jordan Cooper's arguments about lack of doctrinal unity were appealing to me because it was helpful to know that any LCMS church would hold to the entire, unaltered Augsburg Confession. I didn't have to investigate every individual congregation for where they stood on those issues.
However, long-term, I'm ver glad God led us to an Anglican church. I actually think I should have made "Lutherans and Calvinists and even Arminians are all Christians" a kind of point of doctrine with which to evaluate denominations, rather than picking which one I held to and making everyone either agree or commune somewhere else. At the time I didn't even hold to infant baptism yet, and I still don't *condemn* credobaptists the way the Augsburg Confession does. I love that our church will do infant blessings for families that are not ready to baptize them yet, even though I love even more confessing that those infants really are members of God's family and committing as the entire church to raise them in that reality, rather than trying to convert them later in life.
There are issues that require practical separation even if we don't think they are tier-1 issues, but I think there are fewer of those than most Christians believe. In fact I think many Christians have some of them inverted: Many will say eschatology is unimportant, but my experience is that it infects the entire atmosphere and practice of the church with regard to preaching, evangelism, etc. Meanwhile, Calvinists, Lutherans, and Arminians can ultimately evangelize together in almost indistinguishable ways, simply with different ideas in the back of their minds about what their preaching is actually *doing.*
@@crossvilleengineering1238 Admittedly I've changed my mind several times on that 😅 But currently, I include them, with a very suspicious eye towards Francis and where Roman apologetics have been heading.
I'm an LCMS Lutheran that will probably stay Lutheran but the Lutheran stereotype of us being old people is *very* true. I being not a zoomer but still fairly young. Made me also visit an ACNA church that has a younger demographic. A congregation community is important to me especially given that Lutherans also tend to be insular as well.
I purchased the ACNA Catechism it is amazing! I got it shipped to England where I am from and I've been using it everyday for about a month now. Such a helpful book.
The broadness of Anglicanism is bringing me closer to it every day! I will hopefully be attending an Anglican church soon. Thank you for answering some of these objections!
Thank you for this video. I also am in the ACNA. One of the great strengths of the Anglican tradition is the prayer book and the liturgy, as well as the affirmation of scripture as primary, but with great respect to tradition and reason.
Huge help again. Thanks.
That definition is awesome. I keep feeling called toward tradition and older churches, never thought to consider the Anglican church as an American because of the pettiest reason, England.
But upon the discovery of the church and it's history, the beliefs I had were already expressed in this Church. I'm still pre-Anglican, but shoot, that could change really soon.
I'll take the prayer for myself and my family as we long for more and deeper ways to worship our Lord!!
For some, TEC is a better option than ACNA. Not all anglicans in TEC are liberal.
RECONQUISTA!
And yet most, especially the ordained and consecrated leaders, are... I had to leave (as a priest) because of a clear message from the Lord: "Choose this day whom you will serve."
BRAVO! to whole video...
Most Lutherans believe in sacramental union, not consubstantiation. They aren't wildly different, but the difference matters a lot to them. Edward Pusey, one of the leading lights of the Oxford Movement, actually was a constubstantiationist.
I like the ACNA Catechism o good bit. It's available online if anyone is interested in looking at it.
In response to ca. 26:00, shouldn't disagreeing on graven images be more of a problem than apparently it is? Agreeing on a definition of the 10 commandments should be pretty basic to (in a religious sense) meaningfully be in communion with each other?
I'm LCMS and like my local, albiet very small, ACNA church. The use of Old English in the liturgy was a bit rough.
Beowulf is Old English. The ACNA uses Early Modern English.
30:55 I was looking up different Churches near me and the Episcopal church near me is a progressive but honestly they are still welcoming to more traditional people as most of the parish is old and white. But I found something really valuable in a place that was traditional but also accepting of lgbt people. I am not a Christian anymore so I don't have a dog in this fight over doctrine but I felt that the love and acceptance I found there was really powerful. Our modern world is very polarizing and full of a lot of hate and I think that Anglicanisms diversity in doctrine yet a unity in faith is actually rather powerful in my opinion. You don't have to agree with me as it is your tradition but as an outsider that unity and love is actually very compelling. Going to a church with traditional older people and younger progressive people both in unity and friendship is nice.
I was considering Lutheranism, but the fact that I’m historic-premillennial meant I can’t agree to the whole Augsburg Confession.
That plus the fact that I do recognize the importance of bishops leads me to Anglicanism. I don’t know exactly when I will join an Anglican Church, but I’m thankful for this content so I can learn more about it before making that change.
I’m hoping you can clarify something for me. I apologize if this was answered somewhere in the video but it’s quite long and poor sleep and already poor comprehension is working against me 😅.
I remember in US history learning about the forefathers that left England (like the pilgrims). Because the king was declared the head of the church, it was seen that those wanting to separate themselves from the church were seen as traitors to the state as well (I learned James I was notorious). So is it true that the Anglican Church persecuted other English Christians that were outside communion?
Well done
This is really well done. As an ex-Roman Catholic, self-taught Anglican, pretty much everything you say here checks out. Nice response to Jordan Cooper btw. I will say, since I’m a Continuing Anglican, it’s frustrating that most people seem unaware of the Anglican Continuum which preceded ACNA by decades and is holding firm on orthodoxy.
At about 7 minutes in, only quibble I have so far is that Mary Tudor ("Bloody Mary") was not "removed" from being Queen of England-- she simply died of natural causes; no execution, or trial and imprisonment, or anything of the kind.
Thanks for the correction!
In Canada we tend to promote love thy neighbour in the Anglican Church of Canada.
2nd Commandment is "Faithfully Love your neighbour as yourself".
Forgetting "Faithfully" and "as yourself" makes it what leads to sin.
Also it is only the second. The first is to
"Faithfully love God with all your being".
That is what enables you to do the Second just as the second validates you are doing the first one right.
So don't let anyone deceive you with a poor translation or Biblical-sounding anecdotes
What is the Anglican position on the Eastern Rite or Anglo-Orthodox movements, in so much as reclaiming some traditions from the Eastern church? I understand there will never be communion between Orthodoxy and Anglicans. Still, it seems that there is a lot of theology in the Eastern Church that could reinvigorate things a little....
I pray for reunion every day. With God nothing is impossible, and union between Anglicans and Orthodox is eminently possible. Look into the Dublin Agreed Statement of 1984, where the communions nearly came together but only splintered over the ordination of women in the Episcopal Church
What is the Anglican Orthodox church? And why do the ones near me that don't have "Orthodox" in it's name have rock concerts and rainbow flags?
@@Young_Anglicanthe Anglican ordination has forever meant unification with Roman Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy is absolutely impossible.
@@joshuaorourke1976Not all Anglican Jurisdictions allow for the ordination of women. I am sure in time, however the Vatican will allow for the ordination of women, and I am sure there will be defections of groups of Orthodox that will begin to ordain women. The Old Organizational Structures that our grandparents trusted in are inadequate to deal with the Apostasy of our times it doesn't matter if you choose Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican it will be messy in the Immediate Future and many Jurisdictions will fall into Apostasy and this may not result in excommunication for mabe 50 or more years.
Our time in History is probably not the right time for the Churches to re-enter into Communion with each other as the Structures of all the Churches will be shaken to the core and their is not any easily identifiable group of people to negotiate with. Our generations job is to keep the Historical Christian Faith and not to call Synods of Bishops to find ways to re-enter into Communion. Survival mode! For all Jurisdictions that wich to remain in the Historical Christian Faith in the Roman Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church, the Oriental Orthodoxs Church, the Anglican Church no National or International Synods to find ways for the restoration of Full Communion between the Churches.
Within the numerous questions I have towards Anglicanism (the version of the bible that uses in its origin a canon fixed after the septuaginta being the origin of the HRC church, and that can't even claim its purity to the Jewish bible as the fixation of this was later than the septuaginta that originated the Vulgata), I wonder where from cames the claim that a temporal prince can become the head of the church? As far as I remember was upon Peter that the holy church was founded, and if its so, only his successors can claim a spiritual leadership. As I can only find that within the HRC church, I am sorry to my brothers and sisters of different traditions, but couldn't in conscience accept that point of view.
Thanks.You succeeded to confuse me even more.
You mentioned that women shouldn’t be priests but isn’t Tish Harrison Warren a priest in the ACNA?
Women's Ordination to the priesthood (but not the episcopate) is allowed in some diocese. I personally am opposed to Women's Ordination, and do not believe it represents the historic Anglican perspective on the issue.
Purely human authority. You have said to the Gospel of Jesus, "We will hear thee again concerning this matter." (Acts. 17:32)
I attend an Episcopalian Church, very High Church. When someone asks me what I am, I tell them I am Anglican. Peace Be With You ✝️❤️
Good answer!
The issue of the ACNA is the C4SO diocese. They ordain women and bless same sex unions.
The King is head of the Church of England that much is true, yet not many people know that matters of Faith were delegated to Parliament by Henry, and in fact it was Parliament that made Henry 'supreme head of the church on earth under God'.
Despite what people think, England's King's never had divine right, unlike France, instead Sir John Fortescue called England both a "dominium regale" and a "dominium politicum" (royal dominion and political dominion),... and Sir Thomas Smith described England as being a mixed government and a commonwealth... (in fact stated that all commonwealths are of a mixed character),.. Sir John Fortescue referred to France as a "dominium regale", (royal dominion) but never a "dominium politicum" (political dominion),... we don't often remember this fact... all of what Henry did, he did not by decree, but instead, as that old English Parliamentary enacting clause states...
*"BE IT ENACTED by the King's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows"*
Incorrect..... The English Monarch is Supreme Govenor of the Church of England.....I just don't know why so many Brits make this mistake. I'm an Australian catholic and I know the correct title. As far as matters of faith being delegated to Parliament by Henry VIII....I very much doubt that, after all Henry claimed to be a catholic all of his life.
Thanks to you and the Other Paul, I am considering becoming Anglican. I think I can affirm the 39 articles, but I have some questions about the episcopacy.
I have a video with the Black Doctor about the Episcopate in the Bible if you are interested
What would you say about the archbishop of Canterbury declaring that those who declined the "jab" are selfish and un christ like? Is there a place in anglicanism for those who value their medical autonomy?
Personally, I feel like I could be convinced that the broadness in theological disputes in Anglicanism is ok. But some of the differences allowed make me recoil a bit to the idea; because those differences, even if they don’t make someone not a Christian, require so much mental gymnastics that is obvious to many traditions whether Lutheran, Baptist, Romanist, etc., that it seems wrong not to practice church discipline with them, for their sake, and bar them from the table.
Like, correct me if I’m wrong, but a church that practices women ordination can still commune with a church that doesn’t allow it despite very clear testimony from the pastoral epistles that only specific men with specific qualities have the privilege.
You should have done your research...Queen Mary (Tudor) was not removed as Queen she reigned from 1553 until her death in November 1558. She was then succeeded by her half sister the protestant Elizabeth.
The principal Reformer of Anglicanism is Archbishop Thomas Cranmer. If you think its Henry VIII then you don't get it
It was king James whom was raised Calvinist. He was presbytyrian
Orthodox here but if there is no Orthodox Church in range I would go to an Anglican Mattins or Evensong when in England. The church is a bit too woke for comfort. Pity the attempt at rejoining the Orthodox came to nothing. Perhaps one day...
Interesting. That explains a lot. But what do you think of the Anglo-Catholics who very loudly claim that their theology (Roman Catholicism without the Pope) IS Anglicanism. They don't seem to have this open inclusive view, but seem to claim ownership of the whole tradition.
I am not too familiar with Anglo-Catholics who make this claim. To me though this strain parrallels Reformed Anglicans who say that true Anglicanism is Reformed. Both groups appeal to different periods in the Church of England. In truth, all of these periods were licit and demonstrate the breadth of practice in the English Tradition
@@Young_Anglican I think it's pretty well known that ang-caths denies or diminishes Anglicanism's connection to Reformed thought. And this triggers my autism, since it's obviously not true. I think your way of describing Anglicanism is more logical and reasonable.
It would be interesting if you could make a video on Anglicanism between the Elizabethan era and the Oxford movement.. If any kind of Anglican historical mainstream has ever existed, it should have been during this period I reckon.
@@crossvilleengineering1238 We are not talking about Lutheranism now. We are talking about Anglicanism. Indeed we Lutherans and the Calvinist are not part of the same movement.
The Anglican Church or CofE if you like was a creation of the English State under Edward VI and Elizabeth I for purely political reasons. It was driven by reformers who hated (the old religion) catholicism including Thomas Cranmer who called the mass 'a device of the devil' and now we see many Anglican Churches celebration mass and also belief in the corporal presence in the eucharist...Cranmer and his fellow reformers would be horrified!!! Anglicans are classic backflippers!!!
Is there an Anglican group that doesn't ordain women? Thx.
Continuing Anglicans and many diocese in the Anglican Church in North America do not ordain women here in the US
The separation of Established Church and State is nether practical nor desirable, but the separation of Established Faith and Law is to a degree... the Church ought not create legislation and the State ought not to create theology, both must back each others authority on matters of Church and State.
But the secular lawmakers ought to consult spiritual authorities to ensure their laws are aligned with God's law. So Bishops in the legislature is entirely appropriate.
What is the difference between Establishmentarianism and what is now called Christian Nationalism?
Seems like conceptually, it’s the same thing. It’s the recognition that a country is Christian in its character.
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At 10:55 you said how Anglicanism helps stand against ugly architecture in the modern world. Of course you know how much I care about architecture. You also implied that Anglicanism is BETTER at having both aesthetics AND doctrine than Presbyterianism. But ironically, the Protestant Churches which have been the most successful keeping traditional beautiful churches in the hands of believers are Presbyterians and Baptists due to our low-church polity which makes it harder for the higher-ups to get corrupt and steal our stuff. We still have a problem, for sure. But beautiful conservative Presbyterian churches outnumber that of Anglicanism 10 to 1 I think
I might be willing to concede that there are more theologically orthodox Presbyterians in old mainline churches, but I still do believe that within the conservative protestant denominations which are adamant about denomination wide conservative dogmatics, Anglicans are one of the only branches that even very conservative members still care about physical beauty, especially when it comes to building new spaces.
@@Young_Anglican Right I agree. I wasn't just talking conservative mainliners tho. If you add up all conservative Presbyterian denominations and all conservative Anglican denominations, while the Anglicans might DESIRE physical beauty more, the Presbyterians have many times more beautiful old churches. The PCA, EPC, ECO, still have lots of them, even if not nearly as many as they should. I think the main reason for this is our low-church polity which made it harder for people to steal our stuff.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Perhaps true. Congregational and Presbyterian polity definitely has this advantage
I think anglicanismo is a good way of forming future Roman Catholics 😅
I had hopes, but this is too muddled.
When you refer to Anglicanism and then refer to OTHER PROTESTANT CHURCHES, you are in error (with respect). Why? Because Anglicanism is not a Protestant Church. It is a church in the Alostolic and Catholic tradition.
You fear being too exclusive like Catholic/Orthodox, but don't fear being too inclusive.
That be default makes you progressive.
The early church did resolve the issues, you just don't agree with them. We don't say Jesus didn't resolve issues because Judas existed.
Protestants don't seem to care about circularity, that's like one of the main issues.
Exactly.
We are inclusive of our fellow Christians. Where catholics and orthodox historically are not. We are not inclusive of those outside the one true apostolic church. “Resolving” tertiary isssues is not necessary especially when you fall into accretions such as in the Catholic Church regarding Marion dogmas such as the assumption of Mary which was not written by any church Fathers for the first 500 years of church history but is now seen as an integral part of true faith in Christ. We maintain core tenets of early Christianity. You believe elevating the traditions of man to equality with scripture makes you strong buts the reason for disunity in Gods church.
@@1517the_year Again, you guys don't care about circularity. You have core tenets which you get from the Bible, but who gave you your Bible? The Orthodox Church, who is fallible.
They fallibly canonized the Bible, which is revisable, meaning all of your tenets are revisable. Prots have no boundaries.
@@bradspitt3896- Prots have core tenets
But also...
-Prots have no boundaries.
Which one is it?
@@coffeehousedialogue5684 congrats you just discovered contradictions.