Very respectful video: what you're saying makes sense - that Reconquista isn't probably in Episcopal Church and is probable in ACNA. What I think though is that it's silly to have to Reconquista and offshoot. Either you fight for the mainline or you split off. In my opinion if you have to Reconquista one of your offshoots, it shows that splitting off really is not a long term solution.
Fair critique. I guess I would say the ACNA isn't a full break off. It is already bigger than older denominations like CRCNA, we have inherited a number of full diocese, and we are connected to the global communion.
@@Young_Anglican I mean PCA also did inherit some “stuff,” which is why it has more pretty buildings than ACNA, but it’s still a break off. They both really do lack all the institutional resources
@redeemedzoomer6053 Part of the difference to me is mindset. As far as I am aware they are not building Cathedrals in the PCA. They are not holding yearly global summits in the PCA with affiliated orthodox mainstream non break off historic church denominations. I do see that Global Connection as a resource. Spiritually it is a resource, but also they literally have been providing academic, clerical, and financial resources to promote ACNA dioceses.
All I can say personally is, as a Lutheran, I appreciate both of your perspectives and your love for the historic institutional Church, wherever that is found. How bless you both.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Bull. GAFCON and the Global South outnumber TEC and the Church of England by a wide margin. What is the point of having more resources from the North American mainline when that same mainline is essentially anathema after Kigali? We can draw from outside the US (And I say this as a soon-to-be confirmed member of the Church of Nigeria via CONNAM), the TEC only has itself for the most part. Part of the reason the theological liberals keep winning is because they disrespect authority and go against the rulings. You can fight this up to a point, but at some point you need to be willing to pull the plug and essentially practice excommunication. Unlike the PCUSA, TEC cannot exist in a vacuum. It is answerable to the rest of the Anglican Church via the conferences and conventions that are held in a manner akin to ecumenical councils. If TEC is not willing to abide by the decisions set forth, we will just cut them loose.
@@maninalift Athanasius held that the Final Authority is the Church led by the successor of Peter. He never left it. When Sacred Scripture as understood by the Church couldn't convince the heretics, he handed those heretics over to the Church. He was instrumental in the Church Council that dealt with the heresies of the Arians, and he spent the rest of his life implementing the deliberations of the Council. Those who really love Athanasius stay in the Catholic Church, or join it. Pax.
@@DD-bx8rb ok. That doesn't speak the question of from where Dwooswa is drawing his idea of what it is like to be Christ like. The Jesuses of the Gospels do not appear to be "fighting against the forces of liberalism", if anything it's the opposite.
I’m a new believer and have been going to a Conservative Anglican Church here in CA for a few weeks now (which I’m really enjoying). I appreciate all your content! I think it’s important to uncover and process how I feel on all these issues. When my very liberal Episcopalian brother in law finds out, I’m not sure he’ll be very happy about my choice - especially if I get baptized there & officially become a member. So far though, I feel aligned with this church (& the ACNA), and confident enough to have a conversation about these controversial topics when it comes! Thanks for educating me! 😊
As someone who fell away from church for years, but has recently had his faith renewed, and am now trying to find my place, I just wanted to say I really enjoy your videos. Please keep at it. God bless!
This is a good video that really highlights the nuances of the ACNA and its status as a "denomination". Other Protestant denominations don't really have to consider the weight of a global communion and apostolic succession. For Presbyterians, Baptists, Lutherans, even Methodists - leaving is almost all loss. For the ACNA, many have a sense that they didn't really leave anything but instead jumped on a life raft offered to them by the global communion. Reconciliation was always the hope for the ACNA and the communion in general, which is why GAFCON is explicitly not a denomination. This is especially relevant considering 85% of the Anglican Communion is meeting in Cairo this summer to essentially hold a council to "reset" the communion. I think it is helpful to compare the ACNA to what is going on with the SSPX. Theoretically, if Welby repented today and started enforcing orthodoxy throughout the Anglican Communion, TEC is autocephalous and under no obligation to comply. In many ways this is the type of scenario the Anglican Communion will be facing after this summer. And so (at least in this scenario) the choice becomes fellowship with the actual institution that is the Anglican Church, or access to TEC's buildings. Time will tell.
The problem with Reconquista in the UMC (I’m a retreating GMC now 😞) was that the traditionalists who lead the “conservatives” in the denomination were actually pretty Liberal. I was an outcast for believing in Biblical inerrancy while grouping conservatives who liked nuance way too much to battle the Liberal progressive wing of the denomination. The only hope for the GMC is that it is lead by the Global south and not Western/North American Methodists
Another thing I’ve observed, or seen commented on is that a lot of conservative Anglicans or Episcopals Tend to join the Catholic Church in liberal Catholics tend to join the Anglican/Episcopal churches. So I think you have a natural settling of ideology and conservative versus liberal ism being balanced out that way
But so much of the Catholic church is liberal. I would think more conservatives Anglicans (who cannot find an ACNA) would become Orthodox. ACNA needs to continue to plant in the Eastern US, everywhere the Episcopal Church has historically been and owned property.
@@SalomonEspinosa70 But there is a lot that is not liberal anymore. Esp TLM and the eastern rites. The con Anglicans def are becoming either RC or EO. I would not stay in the mess that is Anglican.
Honest feedback here, Many apologist and theologians I have seen on here have been arguing for a materialist understanding of Church. Literally, defending institutions because they shape society is a materialist articulation of the impact of church. Saying Churches are the center of moral thought and develop good people to develop good outcomes is a materialist articulation of the Church’s good and impact. If that’s our focus, we become tied down to the literal building of the church. Because of this, I now understand the Roman Catholic emphasis of the Beatific Vision; the forth love of Bernard of Clarvox. To act like a “liberal” and insist upon institutional capture is to surrender to the materialist paradigm. Literally, the work of the Spirit is more than institutional: Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth. John 4:23-24. When we contemplate on how we are the visible church, we must be more than our traditions, for traditions, as Aquanis reminds us, are apart of the human laws and not Natural law. To tie the church down to the materialist expression of church good ignores the treasures of heaven. We are tempted to act like Simon in Acts 8, seeing the Spirit as a thing that can be wooed by our earthly understandings of good. The Holy Spirit forms us for so much more. When emphasizing “recapture” is to acknowledge a type of lost of the Spirit that does not comport to our proper standing with the visible church. This is the trap I’ve seen to many fall into, and I hope my comment communicates some of that inkling in the limited nature, known as a UA-cam comment.
It would be hard to convey just how much I like what you wrote, but I'll try: I really really like what you wrote. Thank you for putting your thoughts down. < And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground; and should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knoweth not how. For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear. But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come. And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it? It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth: but when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of i in the branches thereof.
I think that the only parts of TEC that would be possible to reconquista are those parts that we could break off from the denomination and annex to other Anglican bodies. E.g. Cuba, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Honduras, Colombia, Venezuela and Ecuador to the Province of Central America, Haiti and US Virgin Islands to the West Indies, Taiwan to Hong Kong Sheng Kui, Micronesia to Tikanga Pasefika of ACANZP, Dallas to ACNA because of Texas law
You’re probably right, but nobody and (arguably) no institution is outside the reach of God’s redeeming mercy. The trouble is, the Episcopal Church is the greatest example of the problems the Reconquista points out. Namely, that we’ve let the liberals have the important entities and institutions. And TEC is the closest thing America has had to having an established church at the national level. 40% of presidents have been Episcopalians despite only about 1% of the modern US population being Episcopal. But, we can and should pray fervently for them. And, perhaps more orthodox Anglicans in conservative denominations could try to participate in some events and groups at Episcopal churches to bring a more faithful presence there
@@jmjaquinas7298 Part of that has to do with the early influence of the Anglican Church in the United States (basically just renamed due to the Revolutionary War). Those are early stats (presidents) in a sense, compared to recent stats (1 pct). I'd have to research but I'd assume more than 1 percent of the US population even as late as 1820, was Episcopal (Anglican) and similarly that most of those 40 percent of presidents that were Episcopal, were on the FRONT end of the nation's history, vs. more recently. Clearly it did still carry more of the elite class (Bush Sr, and I believe Bush 2, until he became UMC).
@@SalomonEspinosa70 Yes. I believe you’re correct. Bush Jr became Methodist before he was President. But the Episcopal Church retains an outsized institutional power in this country in relation to their population.
@@jmjaquinas7298 absolutely. In many ways, culturally, and by education and demographic characteristics, I have found liberal elite Episcopalians on the East Coast to be nearly indistinguishable (except for the obvious) with upper class, highly educated, liberal elite Ashkenazi Reform Jews. They often even get together (nothing wrong with that) but tend to have the same types of affinities, causes and social interests.
So as a blooming Anglican and one committed to joining the APA, if I moved and found a good conservative Anglican church from the TEC or ACNA, I would go. Pray for unity.
Watching this after recently joining a TEC Reconquista Parish is a little depressing. I'm in a very solid 0/5 parish, but a recent visit by our Bishop and hearing the preaching of our Canon to the Ordinary was disheartening to everyone in our parish.
Admittedly I'm reading comments first, but Robinson was indeed married...to a woman...and has 2 daughters. When he "came out" they actually held a divorce ceremony at the church where he was rector. Anathema!!!
I am definitely among those in a position where there is some circumstantial motivation to go to Orthodoxy - if for no other reason, because I find myself leaning more in the Anglo-Catholidox direction, and there are so few parishes in that spirit anywhere near where I live that I expect to be living in an Anglican desert within a decade or two.
Can you give me a run down on the Reformed Episcopal Church via a vis the ACNA? Eg how independent are they and, especially, whether they could leave taking all their churches wholesale should their relationship with the ACNA ever deteriorate?
For hierarchical churches you need conservative pastors, not just conservative congregations. Those pastors can become bishops and change things. The plan of the Presbyterians doesn’t work for Lutherans and Anglicans but that doesn’t mean Reconquista is completely impossible. It just needs a different strategy
I was an agnostic and came to faith in Christ through a Baptist church. The deeper I got into church history, the more I was drawn to Traditional Protestantism and learned about Anglicanism. Now I have been confirmed in the ACNA. The only real issue I have is the women's ordination issue. Feminism has diminished the complimentary differences of male and female. If there is no difference in roles for men and women, where do you draw the line? Transgender identity and perverse sexuality result when the differences between men and women are denied. I do have hope that the ACNA will make it through this. It's an important issue and above all we should seek whatever the holy Scriptures say about it.
I have a local ACNA church I love and several Episcopalian churches, I wouldn't mind trying some of the Episcopalian churches but I just wonder how long it would be before I got into arguments with the community and maybe even disfellowshipped. I'm for the Reconquista movement but my question would be how active or passive should the individual be voicing concerns at an individual church?
I'm in the PCA and totally agree with your take on fighting for truth. I think the PCA was wrong for splitting in the 70s (and the OPC earlier than that!), but when we first existed, women were allowed to be pastors until they fought against that and went toward orthodoxy.
St Athanasius held that the Final Authority is the Church led by the successor of Peter. He never left it. When Sacred Scripture as understood by the Church couldn't convince the heretics, he handed those heretics over to the Church. He was instrumental in the Church Council that dealt with the heresies of the Arians, and he spent the rest of his life implementing the deliberations of the Council. Those who really love Athanasius stay in the Catholic Church, or join it. Pax.
Hey bro pls forgive me if youve answered this before but from what i can tell you accept the ecumenical councils as authorive but which councils would u say are ecumenical like florence or the orthodox post schism councils. Also how would you answer the clear evidence of papal supremacy in II Nicea and other later councils. Plus i love your work it has helped me alot
Young Anglican, what is your view on Rev. Ed Travers; an Anglican pastor from Nova Scotia, Canada? As a Roman Catholic I will really like his unifying messages and he condemns the actions of some other Christians in a friendly manner. I highly recommend his videos on Marjorie Taylor Greene and Christian Nationalism.
I don’t see how the liberal mainline denominations or avoid a precipitous drop. I looked at the Numbers a while back for the church of England, and basically there’s many parishes that don’t have any baptisms or if they do have baptisms it’s a single digits per year. Same with marriages a lot of purses have no marriage at all prettier or low single digits. So basically you’re gonna get a Korea like fertility rate affect with church attendance in many of these denominations. Basically you have old people who grew up with the faith and maybe really old millennials who kind of chug along with it. But outside of that he probably have few to no young people in any of these in the USA or England. So basically you’re probably gonna see a quartering or having of church attendance per generation. So it’s the over 25 year. If you take any liberal church you could probably extrapolate that 100 attendees would be 50 or even 25. And that’s the alarm so many people, but it seems they don’t care as they are ok if the plane is crashing as long as they are the pilot
I like the spirit of the reconquista, but the methodology might not be the best. By the logic of the Reconquista, the first Christians should have stayed jewish and recover the temple, where they were worshipping, but they had no choice but to leave, because they started persecuting them. If your own denomination starts persecuting you, not allowing you to preach, suspending you, etc.. What are you supposed to do? Christianity is an offshoot denomination of Judaism. We were a jewish sect before we even were a religion. The endgame of every christian should be claiming *everything* for Christ. But in the meantime, you are exiled, you are repudiated, rejected. Talking about Athanasius: He was exiled multiple times. He couldn't stay in his See. He had to leave. He had to combat from the outside. The protestant reformation itself is an offshoot. I will say this, protestants have become too comfortable with offshooting, and that is not right. At the minor disagreement, there is a new denomination. Specially in the non-denom world.This is not right either. There has to be a way to keep communion with disagreements. It's a hard task, but we will have to find a way to accomplish it. Anyway, great video.
@@Young_Anglican You’re essentially already there doctrinally. I left the Episcopal Church (Anglo-Catholic) when I became convinced their orders aren’t valid and learned for the first time that there were actual Calvinists amongst us. In every parish I had ever been a part of, we saw ourselves as in opposition to the Calvinists, so it was a shock for me to learn that had been there the whole time.
I’m not sure the earlier commenter’s perspective. He may hold that they’re invalid because there are generally women in the line in TEC. From a Catholic perspective, they’re invalid because of the errors of the Edwardine Ordinal which altered the substance of the words of Episcopal (bishops) consecration. It’s worth a read (quite short). I’d look up “Pope Leo XIII on the Nullity of Anglican Orders”
Very respectful video: what you're saying makes sense - that Reconquista isn't probably in Episcopal Church and is probable in ACNA. What I think though is that it's silly to have to Reconquista and offshoot. Either you fight for the mainline or you split off. In my opinion if you have to Reconquista one of your offshoots, it shows that splitting off really is not a long term solution.
Fair critique. I guess I would say the ACNA isn't a full break off. It is already bigger than older denominations like CRCNA, we have inherited a number of full diocese, and we are connected to the global communion.
@@Young_Anglican I mean PCA also did inherit some “stuff,” which is why it has more pretty buildings than ACNA, but it’s still a break off. They both really do lack all the institutional resources
@redeemedzoomer6053 Part of the difference to me is mindset. As far as I am aware they are not building Cathedrals in the PCA. They are not holding yearly global summits in the PCA with affiliated orthodox mainstream non break off historic church denominations. I do see that Global Connection as a resource. Spiritually it is a resource, but also they literally have been providing academic, clerical, and financial resources to promote ACNA dioceses.
All I can say personally is, as a Lutheran, I appreciate both of your perspectives and your love for the historic institutional Church, wherever that is found. How bless you both.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Bull. GAFCON and the Global South outnumber TEC and the Church of England by a wide margin. What is the point of having more resources from the North American mainline when that same mainline is essentially anathema after Kigali? We can draw from outside the US (And I say this as a soon-to-be confirmed member of the Church of Nigeria via CONNAM), the TEC only has itself for the most part. Part of the reason the theological liberals keep winning is because they disrespect authority and go against the rulings. You can fight this up to a point, but at some point you need to be willing to pull the plug and essentially practice excommunication. Unlike the PCUSA, TEC cannot exist in a vacuum. It is answerable to the rest of the Anglican Church via the conferences and conventions that are held in a manner akin to ecumenical councils. If TEC is not willing to abide by the decisions set forth, we will just cut them loose.
As a Catholic I think its a good thing for young people to embrace Christ-like values and fight against liberalism, God bless you all
What Gospel are you reading?
@@maninalift Athanasius held that the Final Authority is the Church led by the successor of Peter. He never left it. When Sacred Scripture as understood by the Church couldn't convince the heretics, he handed those heretics over to the Church. He was instrumental in the Church Council that dealt with the heresies of the Arians, and he spent the rest of his life implementing the deliberations of the Council. Those who really love Athanasius stay in the Catholic Church, or join it. Pax.
@@DD-bx8rb ok. That doesn't speak the question of from where Dwooswa is drawing his idea of what it is like to be Christ like. The Jesuses of the Gospels do not appear to be "fighting against the forces of liberalism", if anything it's the opposite.
@@maninaliftevery unorthodoxy can become orthodox
I’m a new believer and have been going to a Conservative Anglican Church here in CA for a few weeks now (which I’m really enjoying). I appreciate all your content! I think it’s important to uncover and process how I feel on all these issues. When my very liberal Episcopalian brother in law finds out, I’m not sure he’ll be very happy about my choice - especially if I get baptized there & officially become a member. So far though, I feel aligned with this church (& the ACNA), and confident enough to have a conversation about these controversial topics when it comes! Thanks for educating me! 😊
I am overjoyed to hear that I have had a positive impact!
As someone who fell away from church for years, but has recently had his faith renewed, and am now trying to find my place, I just wanted to say I really enjoy your videos. Please keep at it. God bless!
Most are to comfortable to do the hard work necessary. Lord have mercy.
This is a good video that really highlights the nuances of the ACNA and its status as a "denomination". Other Protestant denominations don't really have to consider the weight of a global communion and apostolic succession. For Presbyterians, Baptists, Lutherans, even Methodists - leaving is almost all loss. For the ACNA, many have a sense that they didn't really leave anything but instead jumped on a life raft offered to them by the global communion. Reconciliation was always the hope for the ACNA and the communion in general, which is why GAFCON is explicitly not a denomination. This is especially relevant considering 85% of the Anglican Communion is meeting in Cairo this summer to essentially hold a council to "reset" the communion. I think it is helpful to compare the ACNA to what is going on with the SSPX.
Theoretically, if Welby repented today and started enforcing orthodoxy throughout the Anglican Communion, TEC is autocephalous and under no obligation to comply. In many ways this is the type of scenario the Anglican Communion will be facing after this summer. And so (at least in this scenario) the choice becomes fellowship with the actual institution that is the Anglican Church, or access to TEC's buildings.
Time will tell.
The problem with Reconquista in the UMC (I’m a retreating GMC now 😞) was that the traditionalists who lead the “conservatives” in the denomination were actually pretty Liberal. I was an outcast for believing in Biblical inerrancy while grouping conservatives who liked nuance way too much to battle the Liberal progressive wing of the denomination. The only hope for the GMC is that it is lead by the Global south and not Western/North American Methodists
Another thing I’ve observed, or seen commented on is that a lot of conservative Anglicans or Episcopals Tend to join the Catholic Church in liberal Catholics tend to join the Anglican/Episcopal churches. So I think you have a natural settling of ideology and conservative versus liberal ism being balanced out that way
But so much of the Catholic church is liberal. I would think more conservatives Anglicans (who cannot find an ACNA) would become Orthodox. ACNA needs to continue to plant in the Eastern US, everywhere the Episcopal Church has historically been and owned property.
@@SalomonEspinosa70 But there is a lot that is not liberal anymore. Esp TLM and the eastern rites. The con Anglicans def are becoming either RC or EO. I would not stay in the mess that is Anglican.
I recommend the site Catholic Answers. Pax
I appreciate that you used comic sans as a sign of respect for RZ. 😂
Honest feedback here,
Many apologist and theologians I have seen on here have been arguing for a materialist understanding of Church.
Literally, defending institutions because they shape society is a materialist articulation of the impact of church. Saying Churches are the center of moral thought and develop good people to develop good outcomes is a materialist articulation of the Church’s good and impact.
If that’s our focus, we become tied down to the literal building of the church. Because of this, I now understand the Roman Catholic emphasis of the Beatific Vision; the forth love of Bernard of Clarvox. To act like a “liberal” and insist upon institutional capture is to surrender to the materialist paradigm. Literally, the work of the Spirit is more than institutional: Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth. John 4:23-24.
When we contemplate on how we are the visible church, we must be more than our traditions, for traditions, as Aquanis reminds us, are apart of the human laws and not Natural law. To tie the church down to the materialist expression of church good ignores the treasures of heaven. We are tempted to act like Simon in Acts 8, seeing the Spirit as a thing that can be wooed by our earthly understandings of good. The Holy Spirit forms us for so much more.
When emphasizing “recapture” is to acknowledge a type of lost of the Spirit that does not comport to our proper standing with the visible church.
This is the trap I’ve seen to many fall into, and I hope my comment communicates some of that inkling in the limited nature, known as a UA-cam comment.
It would be hard to convey just how much I like what you wrote, but I'll try:
I really really like what you wrote. Thank you for putting your thoughts down.
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And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground; and should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knoweth not how. For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear. But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come. And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it? It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth: but when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of i in the branches thereof.
I feel like TEC will be the hardest to "Reconquista" due to how institutional it is
I think that the only parts of TEC that would be possible to reconquista are those parts that we could break off from the denomination and annex to other Anglican bodies. E.g. Cuba, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Honduras, Colombia, Venezuela and Ecuador to the Province of Central America, Haiti and US Virgin Islands to the West Indies, Taiwan to Hong Kong Sheng Kui, Micronesia to Tikanga Pasefika of ACANZP, Dallas to ACNA because of Texas law
You’re probably right, but nobody and (arguably) no institution is outside the reach of God’s redeeming mercy.
The trouble is, the Episcopal Church is the greatest example of the problems the Reconquista points out. Namely, that we’ve let the liberals have the important entities and institutions. And TEC is the closest thing America has had to having an established church at the national level. 40% of presidents have been Episcopalians despite only about 1% of the modern US population being Episcopal.
But, we can and should pray fervently for them. And, perhaps more orthodox Anglicans in conservative denominations could try to participate in some events and groups at Episcopal churches to bring a more faithful presence there
@@jmjaquinas7298 Part of that has to do with the early influence of the Anglican Church in the United States (basically just renamed due to the Revolutionary War). Those are early stats (presidents) in a sense, compared to recent stats (1 pct). I'd have to research but I'd assume more than 1 percent of the US population even as late as 1820, was Episcopal (Anglican) and similarly that most of those 40 percent of presidents that were Episcopal, were on the FRONT end of the nation's history, vs. more recently. Clearly it did still carry more of the elite class (Bush Sr, and I believe Bush 2, until he became UMC).
@@SalomonEspinosa70 Yes. I believe you’re correct. Bush Jr became Methodist before he was President.
But the Episcopal Church retains an outsized institutional power in this country in relation to their population.
@@jmjaquinas7298 absolutely. In many ways, culturally, and by education and demographic characteristics, I have found liberal elite Episcopalians on the East Coast to be nearly indistinguishable (except for the obvious) with upper class, highly educated, liberal elite Ashkenazi Reform Jews. They often even get together (nothing wrong with that) but tend to have the same types of affinities, causes and social interests.
So as a blooming Anglican and one committed to joining the APA, if I moved and found a good conservative Anglican church from the TEC or ACNA, I would go.
Pray for unity.
I very much respect that attitude
Redeemed boomer in 2077
Do you think the election of a new Archbishop next month could have the potential to move the ACNA closer to abolishing women's ordination?
Absolutely. Pray for an orthodox Archbishop
Watching this after recently joining a TEC Reconquista Parish is a little depressing. I'm in a very solid 0/5 parish, but a recent visit by our Bishop and hearing the preaching of our Canon to the Ordinary was disheartening to everyone in our parish.
I have had very similar experiences in Episcopal churches in the past. I feel for you brother. It is a really hard situation for many.
Gene Robins is not divorced. He wasn't married in the first place.
Admittedly I'm reading comments first, but Robinson was indeed married...to a woman...and has 2 daughters. When he "came out" they actually held a divorce ceremony at the church where he was rector. Anathema!!!
@@anonnymouse554 Oh. So I guess he is divorced. 💀
I am definitely among those in a position where there is some circumstantial motivation to go to Orthodoxy - if for no other reason, because I find myself leaning more in the Anglo-Catholidox direction, and there are so few parishes in that spirit anywhere near where I live that I expect to be living in an Anglican desert within a decade or two.
We gotta go in headfirst and with full commitment
Can you give me a run down on the Reformed Episcopal Church via a vis the ACNA? Eg how independent are they and, especially, whether they could leave taking all their churches wholesale should their relationship with the ACNA ever deteriorate?
They are just a collection of diocese within the ACNA who have their own autonomy under a supervising bishop.
For hierarchical churches you need conservative pastors, not just conservative congregations. Those pastors can become bishops and change things.
The plan of the Presbyterians doesn’t work for Lutherans and Anglicans but that doesn’t mean Reconquista is completely impossible. It just needs a different strategy
I was an agnostic and came to faith in Christ through a Baptist church. The deeper I got into church history, the more I was drawn to Traditional Protestantism and learned about Anglicanism. Now I have been confirmed in the ACNA.
The only real issue I have is the women's ordination issue. Feminism has diminished the complimentary differences of male and female. If there is no difference in roles for men and women, where do you draw the line? Transgender identity and perverse sexuality result when the differences between men and women are denied.
I do have hope that the ACNA will make it through this. It's an important issue and above all we should seek whatever the holy Scriptures say about it.
I have a local ACNA church I love and several Episcopalian churches, I wouldn't mind trying some of the Episcopalian churches but I just wonder how long it would be before I got into arguments with the community and maybe even disfellowshipped. I'm for the Reconquista movement but my question would be how active or passive should the individual be voicing concerns at an individual church?
If their bishop is woke, you need strength in numbers. Otherwise, it will be pointless.
I'm in the PCA and totally agree with your take on fighting for truth. I think the PCA was wrong for splitting in the 70s (and the OPC earlier than that!), but when we first existed, women were allowed to be pastors until they fought against that and went toward orthodoxy.
St Athanasius held that the Final Authority is the Church led by the successor of Peter. He never left it. When Sacred Scripture as understood by the Church couldn't convince the heretics, he handed those heretics over to the Church. He was instrumental in the Church Council that dealt with the heresies of the Arians, and he spent the rest of his life implementing the deliberations of the Council. Those who really love Athanasius stay in the Catholic Church, or join it. Pax.
Raahhh APA mentioned 😤💪💪
Happy 80th comment!
Hey bro pls forgive me if youve answered this before but from what i can tell you accept the ecumenical councils as authorive but which councils would u say are ecumenical like florence or the orthodox post schism councils. Also how would you answer the clear evidence of papal supremacy in II Nicea and other later councils. Plus i love your work it has helped me alot
Young Anglican, what is your view on Rev. Ed Travers; an Anglican pastor from Nova Scotia, Canada? As a Roman Catholic I will really like his unifying messages and he condemns the actions of some other Christians in a friendly manner. I highly recommend his videos on Marjorie Taylor Greene and Christian Nationalism.
I don’t see how the liberal mainline denominations or avoid a precipitous drop. I looked at the Numbers a while back for the church of England, and basically there’s many parishes that don’t have any baptisms or if they do have baptisms it’s a single digits per year. Same with marriages a lot of purses have no marriage at all prettier or low single digits. So basically you’re gonna get a Korea like fertility rate affect with church attendance in many of these denominations. Basically you have old people who grew up with the faith and maybe really old millennials who kind of chug along with it. But outside of that he probably have few to no young people in any of these in the USA or England. So basically you’re probably gonna see a quartering or having of church attendance per generation. So it’s the over 25 year. If you take any liberal church you could probably extrapolate that 100 attendees would be 50 or even 25. And that’s the alarm so many people, but it seems they don’t care as they are ok if the plane is crashing as long as they are the pilot
I like the spirit of the reconquista, but the methodology might not be the best.
By the logic of the Reconquista, the first Christians should have stayed jewish and recover the temple, where they were worshipping, but they had no choice but to leave, because they started persecuting them. If your own denomination starts persecuting you, not allowing you to preach, suspending you, etc.. What are you supposed to do?
Christianity is an offshoot denomination of Judaism. We were a jewish sect before we even were a religion.
The endgame of every christian should be claiming *everything* for Christ. But in the meantime, you are exiled, you are repudiated, rejected.
Talking about Athanasius: He was exiled multiple times. He couldn't stay in his See. He had to leave. He had to combat from the outside.
The protestant reformation itself is an offshoot.
I will say this, protestants have become too comfortable with offshooting, and that is not right. At the minor disagreement, there is a new denomination. Specially in the non-denom world.This is not right either.
There has to be a way to keep communion with disagreements. It's a hard task, but we will have to find a way to accomplish it.
Anyway, great video.
What other ACNA youtubers are there?
Anglican Aesthetics and Jonah M. Saller are both good ACNA youtubers. There are also other ACNA priests like Fr. Timothy Matkin on UA-cam.
Steve Macias
@@catfinity8799 His first video is how he left the ACNA, but his channel say he is REC/ACNA and he has videos about Anglican orthodoxy, what is he?
@@DrGero15 It's a clickbaity title about how he's joining the REC, which is a sub-church in the ACNA.
@@catfinity8799 That's annoying, "I'm going to the living room of my own house!"
Big fan of ur channel but PLEASE articulate ur words more clearly.
I imagine that when this channel changes names again, it will be called, “Redeemed Zoomer with Bishops.”😂
I will definitely consider it! ;)
@@Young_Anglican You’re essentially already there doctrinally. I left the Episcopal Church (Anglo-Catholic) when I became convinced their orders aren’t valid and learned for the first time that there were actual Calvinists amongst us. In every parish I had ever been a part of, we saw ourselves as in opposition to the Calvinists, so it was a shock for me to learn that had been there the whole time.
@@cassidyanderson3722how is Episcopal holy orders not valid?
I’m not sure the earlier commenter’s perspective. He may hold that they’re invalid because there are generally women in the line in TEC. From a Catholic perspective, they’re invalid because of the errors of the Edwardine Ordinal which altered the substance of the words of Episcopal (bishops) consecration. It’s worth a read (quite short). I’d look up “Pope Leo XIII on the Nullity of Anglican Orders”
I think same sex divorce is something all sides of the social spectrum are ok with
@MatthewBrender-wy6bbvery based.
You should start your own Anglican denomination maybe add some Jewish things to Anglicanism!